The hanging rotary has been an absolute gamechanger for me. I use my normal jib crane, then attatch to a stop to free the crane. It's so good I've had other people come into the shop and copy it.
I have a T5C and desperately want to do this but 360 lbs hanging semi-regularly on a swaged wire cable eye, and then lubed up with coolant, doesn't sit well. I'm afraid to come out and find the swaged end let the cable pull through and dropped that whole thing into the table or through the bottom of the cabinet. Chain hoists of adequate size don't fit. At the same time, swapping that rotary in and out is an extraordinary pain.
The bit about chasing tolerances really speaks to a design for manufacturing methodology. If you have a part being processed in house your drawings should reflect your requirements for the following operations. Higher precision costs more money, but that also provides incentive to innovate your process and hold parts for second operations in ways that don't effect your final feature locations and relations. The first example that comes to mind is expansion clamps or pins as second op registration locations, but I'm sure someone could talk for hours about this topic alone.
With carbide drills we've found Iscar's Sumocham drills are fantastic. its s hard steal body with through coolant and a carbide head that takes seconds to change and lasts a very long time with fast speeds and feeds. Because it's just the tip that's replaced it means less carbide waste and after changing the tip the drill length hasn't changed so no need to remeasure. I think lots of other companies have similar drills now as well.
If you get time, Check out the Multiboard storage and organization system. Its compatible with the honey comb as well as gridfinity. so you can have one system with a MASSIVE variety of different things. Multiboard just came out with multi Bin which is bins and drawers as well as multi point which is a sliding rails with bins and shelves. all work together to form one great organization system for any space. wall mount, standalone, under desk is all possible with multiboard.
Tool tags have been the easiest game changer in my shop. Has a tool been measured? Check yes or no. Utilize the 999 tool offsets in the machine and I can have every drill, endmill, tap etc. ready to go on my tool cart even if it can't fit in my standard 30 tool tool changer. If a program calls up T210, swap out tool position 10 for the corresponding tool on the cart and send it 👍
We sell a coolant trap but it's only needed if long run times are expected. Otherwise, our Vacuum Power Unit is able to handle injested coolant. Excessive amounts of coolant is more often due to poor gasketing or lack of flushing between cycles.
One piece flow is a game changer. In process inventory is always a waste. The pallet should come out of one machine and directly to the next. I would have to see if preset gauge lengths would work from one machine to another. That method assumes spindle tapers from one machine to another are identical. Good content.
Good points! On the topic of gauge length from machine to machine, yes they can vary but it's important to calibrate each machine's Z offset using the same master calibration tool.
I suggested the tool tag idea for my job at LMT Onsrud for the grinding arbors we use. Not all of the arbors are the same tag size so they have to design their own for the different arbors. At least i got 30 bucks for the suggestion.
Hello I like your videos, but I have a question, is there any special reason for not using the same machine for both operations? Let's say op1 and op2, so that every time they opened the machine they would have one or more parts ready.
Good question! If you don't have a second machine available, yes both ops in one machine is best. BUT, it doesn't make the job go much faster because Op2 is waiting to be machined during Op1 and vice versa. Two simultaneous spindles is where you get the job done sooner.
@PiersonWorkholding I was also wondering about one piece flow. Currently we run our multi-op parts all on the same machine using multiple vises. I'm tring to wrap my head around whether it would be efficient to use higher density workholding with the same methodology or if splitting across multiple machines would be better 🤔
A few reasons. 1) The probe on the table takes up valuable machining space so we often remove it. 2) Not all machines have probes. 3) Using the toolsetter establishes a single, calibrated standard for all tools in the shop.
Machining advisor pro doesnt work? I was excited so I created an account and all menus are very picky and or wont let you select anything... Even trying to find the tool is difficult.. Seems like a great idea.. But they need to get some help on the programming side..
Right?!? I had a purchasing agent at one of the big aerospace companies try to bully us into a Net 120 PO. I replied with, "Would you wait 4 months to get your paycheck?" The conversation ended and they placed an order with a CC an hour later. Lesson: Stand firm in your convictions and do right for the people in your company.
I wish that those that made those tool setter's that they not only gave you clips that you can put on the tool holder but that the clips had both a nfc chip ( if your machine have the capability to read those ) but also a E-ink screen on ( for if your machine can't read nfc ) with a little platform on the tool setter where it both put the new/updated info on both the nfc and the e-ink plus charging it ( it can live years on a 30sec charge. So that short amount of time it would get charged doing the info update would be more then fine ) So no need to remove the old paper labels. Write new one's. Load new label into the label maker and all that
@@PiersonWorkholding ahh.didnt know that about haas. though in my defence i havnt thouched a haas since 2018 ( a haas vf2 from 2012 ( no updated controller )
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The hanging rotary has been an absolute gamechanger for me. I use my normal jib crane, then attatch to a stop to free the crane. It's so good I've had other people come into the shop and copy it.
Great to hear! Rotaries are a pain to take in and out of service and this trick is definitely a gamechanger.
I have a T5C and desperately want to do this but 360 lbs hanging semi-regularly on a swaged wire cable eye, and then lubed up with coolant, doesn't sit well. I'm afraid to come out and find the swaged end let the cable pull through and dropped that whole thing into the table or through the bottom of the cabinet. Chain hoists of adequate size don't fit. At the same time, swapping that rotary in and out is an extraordinary pain.
The bit about chasing tolerances really speaks to a design for manufacturing methodology. If you have a part being processed in house your drawings should reflect your requirements for the following operations.
Higher precision costs more money, but that also provides incentive to innovate your process and hold parts for second operations in ways that don't effect your final feature locations and relations.
The first example that comes to mind is expansion clamps or pins as second op registration locations, but I'm sure someone could talk for hours about this topic alone.
Great to the Ryan Tierney shout out. Great channel!
It sure is!
man exudes lean philosophy, he's my machining hero
With carbide drills we've found Iscar's Sumocham drills are fantastic. its s hard steal body with through coolant and a carbide head that takes seconds to change and lasts a very long time with fast speeds and feeds.
Because it's just the tip that's replaced it means less carbide waste and after changing the tip the drill length hasn't changed so no need to remeasure.
I think lots of other companies have similar drills now as well.
Great "tip" 😆
Excellent video Jay! So many nuggets in there that takes a machinist their whole career to learn and understand. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the kind words. Hopefully these tips will help others out there!
I missed these videos so much man!
Thank you! We'll put together more of this content.
If you get time, Check out the Multiboard storage and organization system. Its compatible with the honey comb as well as gridfinity. so you can have one system with a MASSIVE variety of different things. Multiboard just came out with multi Bin which is bins and drawers as well as multi point which is a sliding rails with bins and shelves. all work together to form one great organization system for any space. wall mount, standalone, under desk is all possible with multiboard.
This video is so valuable. All these tips and the mindset you have are so helpful.
Thanks, I'm glad you found it useful!
Very often it's hard to max the feeds and speeds not because of the tools strength but because of the limits of the ... workholding^^
Very true. Machining Advisor Pro has a slider for "workholding security" for that very reason.
Tool tags have been the easiest game changer in my shop. Has a tool been measured? Check yes or no. Utilize the 999 tool offsets in the machine and I can have every drill, endmill, tap etc. ready to go on my tool cart even if it can't fit in my standard 30 tool tool changer. If a program calls up T210, swap out tool position 10 for the corresponding tool on the cart and send it 👍
Great point! No need to even change offsets if every tool in the shop has a unique number in the machine(s).
Great video, Jay. TY 4 what u do 4 our industry. With vacuum work holding, what are you guys using as a coolant trap??? e.g. @ 25:50
We sell a coolant trap but it's only needed if long run times are expected. Otherwise, our Vacuum Power Unit is able to handle injested coolant. Excessive amounts of coolant is more often due to poor gasketing or lack of flushing between cycles.
One piece flow is a game changer. In process inventory is always a waste. The pallet should come out of one machine and directly to the next. I would have to see if preset gauge lengths would work from one machine to another. That method assumes spindle tapers from one machine to another are identical. Good content.
Good points! On the topic of gauge length from machine to machine, yes they can vary but it's important to calibrate each machine's Z offset using the same master calibration tool.
This is such an excellent point. This really hits home.
The machining time is also displayed in the bottom right in fusion 360 when you have an operation selected, you don't need to open a separate window.
I suggested the tool tag idea for my job at LMT Onsrud for the grinding arbors we use. Not all of the arbors are the same tag size so they have to design their own for the different arbors. At least i got 30 bucks for the suggestion.
Hey Jay, as a content creator myself and a believer in lean. I would love you to make a video on your video-making process!
We actually have a "behind the scenes" video showing our video creation process in the works right now. Stay tuned for that coming soon!
good video Mr Pierson..thanks for your time
MORE we need MORE
I use MasterCam, they have also had bi-directional cutting for a while! I've never used it, but I'm going to give it a shot.
Give it a shot! Let me know what you think.
@PiersonWorkholding it worked amazing. Made the conventional cut slower and cut 45min off the roughing.
This IS a GREAT video. Thank you.
Jay, how do your machinists lift a 6" kurt vise off the PPS base? I can barely slide one onto the machine table!
Google "Haas Shop Lift"
great Ideas!
where did you got the tool tags from?
MSC seems to be the most reliable supplier.
Hello
I like your videos, but I have a question, is there any special reason for not using the same machine for both operations?
Let's say op1 and op2, so that every time they opened the machine they would have one or more parts ready.
Good question! If you don't have a second machine available, yes both ops in one machine is best. BUT, it doesn't make the job go much faster because Op2 is waiting to be machined during Op1 and vice versa. Two simultaneous spindles is where you get the job done sooner.
@PiersonWorkholding I was also wondering about one piece flow. Currently we run our multi-op parts all on the same machine using multiple vises. I'm tring to wrap my head around whether it would be efficient to use higher density workholding with the same methodology or if splitting across multiple machines would be better 🤔
Is there a reason that you do not use the tool setter that can be purchased with the machine?
A few reasons. 1) The probe on the table takes up valuable machining space so we often remove it. 2) Not all machines have probes. 3) Using the toolsetter establishes a single, calibrated standard for all tools in the shop.
Machining advisor pro doesnt work? I was excited so I created an account and all menus are very picky and or wont let you select anything... Even trying to find the tool is difficult.. Seems like a great idea.. But they need to get some help on the programming side..
It's finicky. You have to walk through the menus in order from top left to bottom right.
Any news on the Pierson Automation machine monitoring? You mentioned it in another video a while ago.
We're in the thick of development.
Even in the world of sports precision beats power, and timing beats speed. But how fast can you swap a spindle in that work center?
I think that the machine both ways tip is the last thing you should care about after you already mastered all the other points.
So true! Machine both ways saves minutes. The other tips save hours.
Always crazy to me that there are shops that will do work for outfits like Ford that don’t want to pay for 120 days.
Right?!? I had a purchasing agent at one of the big aerospace companies try to bully us into a Net 120 PO. I replied with, "Would you wait 4 months to get your paycheck?" The conversation ended and they placed an order with a CC an hour later. Lesson: Stand firm in your convictions and do right for the people in your company.
That rotary just hanging from the top of the machine was completely distracting me this entire video 😆
You don't have a flying rotary in your shop?
It's a classic hypnotism trick.
I wish that those that made those tool setter's that they not only gave you clips that you can put on the tool holder but that the clips had both a nfc chip ( if your machine have the capability to read those ) but also a E-ink screen on ( for if your machine can't read nfc ) with a little platform on the tool setter where it both put the new/updated info on both the nfc and the e-ink plus charging it ( it can live years on a 30sec charge. So that short amount of time it would get charged doing the info update would be more then fine )
So no need to remove the old paper labels. Write new one's. Load new label into the label maker and all that
I like that idea. With the Haas presetter, you can at least QR code scan the info directly into the control.
@@PiersonWorkholding ahh.didnt know that about haas. though in my defence i havnt thouched a haas since 2018 ( a haas vf2 from 2012 ( no updated controller )