Satan and Paulogia's Propaganda!
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Recently Paulogia decided to respond to us (again), this time with Satan's help. There is no other way to say this, they just flat out lied at certain points. We cover why in this video.
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Huh. The Devil and the anti-theist were lying about the Bible.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
The Devil and an anti-theist walked into a bar. The Devil said to the bartender: "One beer please!"
@nerpynerpston2597 Devil flies into heaven and asks God: "Mind if I torture your most faithful follower?" God: "OK, just dont kill him."
Imagine if these two were secret Christians and this was their way of teaching us how satan deceives. Pray for them guys it's the only way
@@JesseMeijer Also God: *restores all that was taken/lost and multiplies it*
Satan lied? Again?!
I'm shocked. SHOCKED! Well, not really shocked.
Paulogia: “honey how are you today”
Paulogia’s wife: “I’m fine”
Paulogia: “great I take you literally at your word and won’t ask you anything else about what you could be feeling!”
If Paulogia was only literal, he'd respond: "I wasn't asking you, I was asking the honey."
are you seriously trying to justify women getting mad at their husbands for not being mind readers lmfao.
@@gotgunpowder How did you come to that conclusion?😂
And that’s when Paulogia realized he was married to a jar of honey and it was incapable of speech.
@@gotgunpowderWhat?
Imagine telling people 80 years ago that today, real people will have (sort of) live arguments with cartoon versions of Satan and some guy named Paul about Biblical subjects...
At 80 years from now they'll be arguing with 3D CGI animated avatars that are self-aware
Eighty years ago? The 1940s? I don’t think that’s the thing they’d be surprised about😂
@@Will-ge7ri You know you're getting old when "80 years algo" is not that "primitive" as you thought it was
@@Will-ge7ri Considering its WW2 in 1940 ... I think they had other things to worry about
Back when men were men and women were women and we all knew the difference
Things like the numbers not being literal and being idealized was being taught to me in a Christian school 40 years ago. Being charitable, I think Paul assumes the version of Christianity he grew up with a hyperliteralist interpretation is far more mainstream than it actually is. If so, he’s mentally trapped himself in a false consensus bias worldview.
"Hello, Christians, Satan here! I'm here to tell you the Bible is WRONG!"
Hooooly crap, I never thought those hokey Sunday School scenarios actually could come true, but bro is literally a Chick Tract at this point. 😩😫🤦🏼♂️
Phrasing.
And his presence seemed to make Paulogia even more dishonest than usual. He's even got the corrupting influence down.
@@gotgunpowder 😅😁
Short response: Satan is a liar and the father of lies (Jn. 8:44b), and Paulogia’s (desperate) naturalistic explanation for the Resurrection is that no one knew where Jesus’ body ended up after the crucifixion.
Yeah, right. Sorry dude, no sale.
You know he's not the real Satan, right? He's just some dude LARPing as him. Treating them as equivalent is giving this neckbeard too much credit.
He did lie though. A lot.
Ah a corpse is missing - therefore resurrection because you hate to be mortal without salvation in real life. ;-) sorry no sale for being self-centric in the core.
@@gotgunpowder maybe the devil's useful idiot would be more appropriate
@@Angelmou More like the corpse is missing, and the corpse is walking, and the corpse is convincing people that it's alive, and the corpse is fundamentally changing an antagonistic Jewish society from the ground up.
But I guess all of that is because I'm selfish and afraid of death...
@@mentalwarfare2038 "More like the corpse is missing,"
If not 3 different preachers of local circumstances were actively confused at the actual time period several years before the texts were made up to begin with.
"and the corpse is walking,"
Nope as texts being esotheric and written years LATER in harbor towns of a different country (GREECE) are just not evidence for any actual circumstances in a different country several years prior without any newspapers or fact checking around. And where people were easily to be deluded like even rich educated writers thinking the emperor of rome would have been a deity in the flesh as well.
When the rich and educated were duped into things, poor people would eat anything - even that the earth is flat like today with thousands of believers around the globe in the 21th century.
"and the corpse is convincing people that it's alive,"
As the encounters are made up years after the supposed time periods there were no actual people convincing anything about that BEFORE cult indoctrination and MAKE BELIEF kicked in in circles of people believing all kinds of weird stuff.
There is a very interesting passage in the Gospels where Jesus drives out a demon from a possessed person called "legion", who then directs the demon into a few thousand pigs (that alone is an absurdly funny story) which then drown.
Let's ignore how absurd this demon talk is and how the poor pigs are treated in a place where animal rights are not a priority and anyway the animals were always considered unclean.
The parable is based on the fact that the legion with the boar's head, Legio X Fretensis, defeated the Zealots at the Sea of Galilee, where the legion's camp was stationed around 20 years after the crucifixion had already taken place.
But the legion with the pig's head unfortunately won a short time later against the zealot and was not drowned. ;-)
If you were to create a more updated counter-parable that reflected the actual facts in symbolic imagery the gospel writers invented, you would write - and the pigs took a sharp left turn (reateat to ceasarea the second city with that name) before any drowning and ate the people and it was a huge mess for the benefit of the new Caesar (Vespasian).
From this little story in the gospels you can deduce that the Gospels contain parables that Jesus is said to have spoken, which dealt with contemporary historical events that took place after his death (setting up the camp 20 years after the crucifix event) BUT BEFORE the battle (Zealots) of a certain army at Genezareth (the victory of the Fretensis "Pig" legion).
That is why the texts are also not any "eyewitnesses" but well crafted storytelling by some more sophisticated greek speaking deceivers to fool and coordinate cult efforts within a climate of persecution by imperialists.
You are going to hear active running away strategies from the utterly meanignlessness of the menmade scribbles called gospels by christians as bad excuse makers, due to the main goal to not to face the a-historical nature of the texts.
Like if the legion did drown at ceasarea at genezareth as just a more profound example how the texts were crafted and manipulated to fitt narratives.
Like you have today some weird texts of reptilian shapeshifters present in comment sections with some references to us-american politicians and politics, which are also not true, despite of being contemporary, as the writers making those texts up are just esotheric weirdoes with snippets of newspaper headlines in them.
This is how the new testament with the gospels and letters is also such a text just from a different time.
Like you have a time capsula of cult nonsense talk.
Only that the cultists fabricating those texts back the day did not indoctrinate people about that an UFO behind some meteroid is beaming them away or that Joe Biden is a reptile shapeshifter, but about paradise kingdoms to come and corpses rasing and walking through streets and whatnot which all never existed.
"and the corpse is fundamentally changing an antagonistic Jewish society from the ground up."
Hahaha. You are kinda cute how you try to defense your falsely imprinted emotions to men written scribbles compeltely detached from how judaism did work in the past and the roman war efforts in that region did cause a crisis in meaing in life for messianic cultists as they did not win the battles and complain a lot about their horrific situations within an imperialistic dominionhood.
Plain and simple.
This is why the shift from "oh the kingdom comes when you won't taste death" at that time to
"there need to be a second coming...there just need to be! Any time now...then everything comes true with honey and and justic for the injust...trust me bro...I have there my tummy feelings...any time now"
developed. This is why it is so ridiculous.
Similar how in the 18th century as a sinfulness crisis in us american christianity came up with technology development and the idea of the rapture became a thing for the mass cult sermons.
Before this time basically all of christendom never heard of the rapture idea as it was something obscure.
But evangelicals made that a running gag especially with the left behind book series to sell this idea as it would have been always a main teaching of christian apocalypticism and not some lone weirdo coming up with the idea in the 18th century to spread in hillybilly towns to bleed into the mainstream.
You can even interpret the texts of supposed Jesus death sightings in the gospels like when Maria Magdalene did not recognize Jesus in a stranger as example to:
She saw in the eyes and appearence of 1 strange dude just the rebellion and freedom spirit as "Jesus" as a pure metaphor for the unbroken resistence of their group still alive or "reborn" even after grief not to fall into eternal despair after the romans smashed their homes, enslaved their brothers and sisters and suppressed their hopes.Basically: "Jesus all around" as the old version of "Even strangers/roman citizens on the streets do recognize there is a lot unjust going on right now. We are not alone!"
That went overboard. Like the rapture idea to have even movies and tv shows 200 years later.
"But I guess all of that is because I'm selfish and afraid of death..."
Yes. That is why you think esotheric gibberish texts about stars falling from the sky at imaginary world endings and corpses rising magically and dead people would speak would not be as completely absurd as any person claiming Biden would be a reptilian shapeshifter or that behind the next comet is an UFO waiting to beam you up.
Or to make it short: Learn that those old texts with fantastical stuff are nonsense alone by the fantastical nature of it. LOL
17:48 Yeah, It's especially noticeable when they try to approach faiths outside of the Abrahamic umbrella. They try to apply literal interpretations to the myths and seem surprised when it doesn't work.
From what I understand, a good chunk of Atheists in the US came from fundamentalist families and have left the religion but kept the worldview.
We should just say it plainly. Paul is dishonest. He all-too-frequently engages in misrepresentation of both scholars and his ideological opponents, that to suggest otherwise would be to insult his intelligence.
Apparently he's a "non resistance unbeliever" by the way 😂😂😂
He must have learned about his Namesake from an Imam.
I don't think he is
I feel like it's a sign of how dark things are getting when opponents of Christianity will literally call themselves Satan.
What’s wrong with calling yourself the accuser and or the adversary (what Satan means and represents in Hebrew) when that is what you do? 🫤
@@benclark4823same reason Hitler as a name doesn’t mean anything negative but if you have any sense you wouldn’t be caught dead naming your child that
@@benclark4823 besides the obvious connotation of identifying yourself with the devil?
@@bradleymarshall5489 you do realize that even the “Devil” literally translates to [[the slander]] right? Maybe you should stop using words that translate differently in other languages lol. 😒
@@benclark4823 are we suppose to ignore the wings his cartoon has? Don't be a smart*ss you know what he's doing
what Paulogia did right now i think it was very low of him to call a guy like who passes himself off as the devil to mock the bible
@dig346
Seems to also contradict the identification as a “non resistant non believer” too.
I wonder if he will ever address Michael’s videos on Christianity not being dangerous. Considering how many atheistic pundits are coming out in favor of cultural Christianity, it makes it a strange approach to push for deconversion which has growing data against it while maintaining his previous label. :/
EDIT: Added the ‘not’ to better phrase my point. :)
IP: "Satan is back!"
Guess somebody has been watching the Olympics, too.
Lol yes
Lol so that's Satan? Syereotypical French liberalism? How do you even go outside? 😂
@@nadaproblem3023stereotypical French liberalism is pretty demonic. Glad you can admit it.
Let's remember that Paulogia is self described "non resistant unbeliever" btw 😂😂😂
I wonder, would desiring de conversion fit within this identity?
He certainly goes a bit out of his way.
It's amazing how Paulogia seemed to become more dishonest than usual when "Satan" came on. Guy's really living up to his persona.
@@gotgunpowder Hence why l call him Saulogia
Luke doesnt say he used a pen! Me must have written without one. Oh, he also doesnt say he used paper/papyrus - he must have written without it. Oh, he also doesnt say he used his hand, he must have used a different bodypart.
So amyone who suggest Luke used his hands to write with a pen on papyrus has no evidence that he did. They are just making up theological nonsense that the bible doesnt say.
(In case of confusion: This is a parody of the argument made against using scribes)
There is something funny seeing a atheist and the devil teaming up
"The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist."
Atheists often claim they can be good without God. This makes me wonder whether Paulogia can be dishonest without Satan.
@@Foreign0817 I'd have to respectfully question that. His greatest trick today is making people think he was the good guy all along.
@@mr.iankp.5734 That too... the game just changes. His mission remains.
The devil is in the Paulogia details.
Paulogia, typically starts at the bottom and then starts digging so not shocked he opens with the Zoroastrian silliness.
Paul and Satan’s objection to Trent Horn’s comment about genre and that not everything should be taken literally is telling, because Trent is explaining the Catholic position which is supported by writings of church fathers.
I think ex-fundamentalist logic goes like this:
1) Fundamentalism teaches me the Bible needs to be literally interpreted.
2) Non-fundamentalists (who don’t interpret it that way are adopting a new, wrong exegesis.
3) Fundamentalism is wrong, therefore Christianity is not true.
Once they get to “fundamentalism is wrong”, they don’t go back and assess claims of other Christians. They still hold to their fundamentalist view of other Christians and skip right over figuring out if #2 is also wrong.
Lots of former fundamentalist Christians on RUclips (Genetically Modified Skeptic, Prophet of Zod, Paulogia…) are still fundamentalists - they just appear to be incapable of realizing they’re still trapped in their original paradigm. I feel bad for them and people who find their arguments convincing - a big reason the arguments feel convincing to them is that they’re still trapped in a deeply flawed worldview that hasn’t “fundamentally” changed since they were kids.
Perfect explanation. Well done.
It doesn't just stop at Christianity, they'll apply the same fundamentalist mindset to any faith. I've seen them do it to Jews, Polytheists, Buddhists, etc.
@@DarthT15 - There’s a lot of false dichotomies in their thinking. At one point I made the mistake of telling an ex-evangelical atheist I think there are mathematical issues with evolution by natural selection which were brought up at the Philadelphia Symposium in 1966 (and which ongoing genetic research is providing further evidence is a problem). What I discovered is in his mindset there are two and only two options - one is that the theory of evolution by natural selection is a perfected, inerrant view of how we got here. The other is that the Bible is the inerrant word of God and must be interpreted literally. Since I rejected the former, by default I MUST believe the latter. The idea that someone could hold that Genesis is metaphorical and the theory of evolution is a deeply flawed (but still useful) model was beyond his ability to comprehend.
He’s never given up the idea that something is inerrant - he just changed what he thinks that is and applied it entirely wrong. Again.
Bart Erhman does the same thing!
They keep saying scholarly consensus, but keep quoting finkelstein. Even finkelstein would say that finkelstein has an anti-biblical bias.
Wasn't he seen as super fringe and extremist in his biblical minimalism even by other biblical scholars? Not to mention he was proven wrong with the situation involving King David.
@@thesnatcher3616I’m not sure if Finkelstein has cool down these recent years over David and Solomon. But he use to be so gung ho about the Large Stone structure and the Stepped stone structure in Jerusalem cannot be David’s place. It got so bad that even his colleagues disagreed with his methodology and said both of these structures had to be completed in Late Iron I or Early Iron II.
I’ve recently started my faith journey and am heading towards Catholicism. I think the biggest reason paulogia is so anti-Christian is because he grew up evangelical, with people telling him the earth was 6000 years old and such. It’s sad. Because of that, he got chased away from Christianity as a whole, not realizing it was only a part of it
I’m becoming catholic brother, though paulogia was raised with the fundamentalist Protestant view of Christianity it gives him no right to act this way. But I hope the Catholic Church grows and grows so that everyone will recognize Jesus as King and our lord and God.
@@bikesrcool_1958 Welcome home.
At 20:30
"In early israelite settlements, there is absolutely no evidence of Egyptian influence."
Except for scarabs, seals with Egyptian iconography, oil lamps with Egyptian iconography, weapons in Egyptian style, loanwords, etc, etc, etc.
SMH
Plus, the Book oof Exodus contains far more Egyptian loan words than would be expected without Egyptian influence. Not to mention that "Moses" is an Egyptian name, and that the name of Joshua's father ("Nun" means "fish") would be highly for Hebrew desert nomads, but quite reasonable for someone born in Egypt.
12:10 That is exactly what I've been thinking over the past year. The definition of Evangelical is so broad and applied to so many things that at this point, I've seen it basically just mean "a Christian who actually believes the Bible" while also making the term carry the baggage of extreme fundamentalism/legalism.
When people like Bart Erman say that 2 Thessalonians isn't Paul's because its theology differs from 1 Thessalonians what they really mean is:My interpretation of message of 1 Thessalonians is different from my interpretation of message of 2 Thessalonians so they couldn't possibly both be Paul's.
No, it means it has 2 writing styles and contrary messages. When someone has pink goggles on to guard their emotions at all given costs - then of course you miss the point.
@@Angelmou the messages are not contrary at all
@@carsonianthegreat4672 Except they are but christians with their pink goggles wish to eat the cake and have it too. the letters as shrödingers cat LOL Same goes with the gospels and the before and after the pessach fest was over narrative. Or if there was 1 human man, 1 angel or 2 angels or none at all within the tomb narrative. LOL
Thank IP. Ive been pushing myself to interact more with the christian side of this debate. Ive been consuming too much of the athiest side, feeding my bias, and making me too trustful. Of course ill draw my own conclusions, but i do value hearing from christians. There are plenty of good points and questions yall bring up. Keep it up, this whole topic, from all sides, is very interesting 👍
Hey, amazing on you for being here!! It’s very hard coming to these sorts of responses that go against your biases.
Enjoy seeking Truth and God bless you sir! :)
Paulogia really is just saying on repeat "WHAT?! I have to THINK when interpreting the Bible?! PREPOSTEROUS!!"
Zoroastrianism elevated Satan (Lucifer) to Second Best when in reality, Satan (Lucifer) is more like First Worst. That's about the only "influence" from that religion if there was any
It wasn't even that. Zoroastrianism is actually Hindu and Persian. It has a bajilion gods. The Zoroastrians were threatened into pretending to b3 monotheists by Islam, then influenced steongly by Christian missionaries. They started copying us. We translated their book using Christian terms. Then atheists went back and pretended it was always like that.
@inukithesavage828 Irony is the satanic figure in Zorastrinism(angra maiyu I believe was his name) wouldn't be on their side either. So they're boned either way.
Yes, Biblical scholars should be forced to take classes in logic and then should also be forced to read "Fern-seed and Elephants"
That alone would explode half the absurdities in modern biblical scholarship.
What are some of the absurdities ( genuine question)
I have experienced some in their arguments for dating the gospels Late.@@pebystroll
Most of them just beg the question.
Some of them are just almost an attempt to reach their already presupposed conclusions about it.
IP Has a good video on some of the atheist's arguments for the Late dating of the gospels.
@@pebystroll Many were discussed in the video, but I think a good one which relates to Fern-seed and Elephants would be the theoretical reconstructions of the history of the text. Specifically: how convincing they sound as reconstructions when the evidence for them is laid out and yet, when Lewis considers the same methods being utilized in contexts where he happens to know the actual history of the composition of a text, they are almost always (if not always) wrong.
I feel like the dude playing Satan is doing a bit. The way he misconstrues what people are saying or adds a single word to someone's point (ex: a teeny-tiny Exodus) to completely change what someone says feels like it's taken directly from the Garden of Eden and the temptations of Jesus. If he is doing a bit to really play up the role of Satan I must earnestly commend him on the act despite how slimy it is.
An unintentionally authentic portrayal of misrepresentation?
@@EmilyTodicescu More or less. I obviously think he is genuinely trying to attack the faith, but the way he does so seems almost too perfect not to be a bit.
@@Vapememes It might seem like a bit, but considering the piss poor epistemology displayed in the video, I sincerely doubt that it's deliberately true to the role.
yes you could almost call it "inspired".
Great stream IP!
It's so great to see two Christians with channels inclining on apologists!
MAN I need to get into theology studying
Right it’s a mad world
I bought a book called “A History of Christianity” that’s written by a Catholic and Protestant. Great read so far
Most of what inspiring Philosophy does is theology coping.
@@JJFrostMusic fellas is it coping to get together with other scholars and apologists and present reasoning and evidence for your claims?
No man, I don't think it is.@@Namato360
I am glad that you have direct arguments against nonsensical claims made by these quasi-scientific institutions that call themselves scholars after 17-23 years of pure marxistic indoctrination.
Here are some of those hated ad hominem (or ad institution) attack that atheists prefer to use. In Croatia we have proper theological college programs and history university programs.
This quoted study came from an institution renounced even by mainstream marxist humanistic university. The nonsense produced by Hrvatski studiji is just a word salad divorced from reality. Serbian and Croatian humanistic Universities are biased Marxist seminaries without any objective scientific value, "Hrvatski studiji" are far worse than our bad Humanistic universities. They allow 19th century political pamphlets as historical sources, give greater gravity to contemporary stories and known imagined stories than medieval contemporary witness and documents. To back the activist narratives, they would rather deny reality and proclaim all historical documents as forgeries. It has happened numerous times already. Professors don't even check the validity of students literature. Anything goes as long as it is in the desidered narrative. contemporary
Back in 2002. when proud to be a Catholic rector wanted to introduce a standardized IQ test as a prerequisite for philosophy-based courses, a general riot broke out. More than 60% of all A-graded students couldn't pass the simplest cognitive competencies test. Since then, we started to hear stories about different types of IQ. Accent was switched from IQ to EI or SI (Emotional and Social intelligence).
Hrvatshi studiji is unprofessional atttempt of Croatian "conservative nationalists" to have cheap undisciplined diploma factory.
With each generation, things are getting worse after 14 Years of public education people are still illiterate and can't write proper Essays while language professors are focused more on ideology and activism rather than on producing quality students. In Croatia there are good STEM, Medicine, Pharmacy, Biology, Sport and Naval science-based colleagues, but humanistics have been systematically destroyed and pushed into politically biased quasi-science since 1848.
I actually am a full on rigid inerrantist and yeah these "gotcha" arguments just wilfully misrepresent the position. We are acutely aware of genres, metaphors, figures, etc, and have been for centuries.
Thank you. Agreed. I was getting furious over this point.
Nice to see Testify teaming up with IP
Christianity: I tried to tell you, I’m not copying off of Zoroastrianism!
Antitheists: HE IS COPYING OFF OF ZOROASTRIANISM!!!
When Mcpologist said he is keeping it as real as the streets.Did he mean sesame street? Lol 😂
People (atheists and fundamentalists) often conflate the truth of Scripture (ie inerrrancy) with literal interpretation.
Apologists often confuse stated historical facts with hyperbolic language. Of course poetic language and metaphors shouldn't be interpreted literally.
It becomes different when ex. Gen 1 and 2 aren't literal historic accounts, but somehow the Gen 3 fall of men still happened and thus redemption from sin is required.
Yeah it's annoying when we do that. I've done it before. It's embarrassing now. What are you gonna do. There's bad actors on all sides, sadly.
@@JesseMeijer an event being recounted in hyperbole doesn’t mean that the event didn’t occur.
The smugness combined with completely childish idiotic arguments is very difficult to handle with paulogia and that other guy. I really feel like Paulogia just makes himself sound more and more like he just doesn't understand things well with each and every video or he is just willfully ignorant.
It seems to me more the athiest seems not want God or christinaty to be real.
He's secretly in denial?
It’s their modus operandi: infect or die.
He's a "non resistant unbeliever" 😂😂
You're right. They don't. That's why they attack so hard and lie so much. It's because they're emotionally afriad or Christianity.
Why would anyone not want such good news to be true?
I think Satan's actor took the role a bit to seriously.
There is no coexistence. Christianity vs. Atheism is a zero-sum game.
That's only true on your fundamentalistic point of view...
I hope that's not true :/ I don't hate Christians. Currently I'm trying to better understand the religious teachings. If I never become a Christian, and Christians gain control of our country, what will happen to people like me? Will I be executed? Imprisoned? Fined? Man I hope not. If we don't have a diverse culture of beliefs, we'll lose a lot of what makes America a great place to live. In my humble opinion at least. Id like to keep calling Christians in my life my friends.
I love how they keep referring to you guys as RUclipsrs as if they aren't also RUclipsrs. 😂
Right? lol
I'm grateful that responses exist for videos like this, and I feel a little bad for saying this, but I think it would be better to have more, I guess, "professionalism" in videos like this. I think it might make the video more accessible, even if it's a little less fun to watch.
Grace be with you guys.
Who would've thought the father of lies was a liar.
Wow, paulugia and the satan cartoon, Who would think in 66 books no figures of speech does exist? Funny.
Yea like i’m sure when Jesus called Peter and Andrew “fishers of men” he literally meant throwing their net at people, or when he told Peter that he would “build his church upon this rock” that he wasn’t using wordplay, and instead literally meant the mountain they were on (SM-freaking-H)
73 books, but i get your point. Lol
When I take the Bible litterally, I take it litrerally according to the genre and literary devices being used! For example: Jesus being the door is literally a metaphor.
I guess I should really say I take the Bible literarily.
Jesus rising from the dead is a metaphor. I can play this game too.
@@efo0l I’m sorry but the game takes a bit more whit than that. First you have to be able to read what the top comment says, before you respond incoherently.
It would be interesting for IP to make a video about biblical hyperbole. It would be good if he showed studies on why he thinks that 1 Samuel 15 (I think he does) is hyperbole, and why the conquest of Canaan is hyperbole and not something Machiavellian.
Great response video gentlemen.
yeah, like stated in the beginning, europe needs more apologists. but I feel like the churches here (at least in my country) are not interested in it at all. When I look up books about apologetics, I don't find many in german. The ones I see recommended a lot are Greg Koukls Tactics and William Lane Craigs On Guard, but they haven't been translated to german. Also I never hear any american apologists talk about Norman Geissler? Or at least I can't remember if he was ever mentioned. So I wonder if he is even a good source to learn from?
I have heard many mention Norman geissler. Many interviewed him about his recent book
@@TheMeekTheMild aaah okay, then maybe I just missed them naming him. But I don't think that the apologists I'm currently watching have recommended any of his books. Guess I'll have to find more apologists to watch and I'll find someone who talks about him 😂
Germany was once a leader in sound Christianity. How the mighty have fallen! Sad.
@@mysotiras21 it is indeed. If I'm not mistaken, eastern Germany is the most atheistic place currently
@@TheAfity , I think that Estonia could give eastern Germany a run for its money when it comes to atheism, but point taken.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; childish drawings, childish arguments.
his production skill is relative to his intelligence. He is that big and has the worst writing and production. His crappy animations cost about $15 on fiver.
These are always so informative, and I love watching your responses to these guys.
As an illustrator by trade, though, they're kind of painful to watch, because the art for the avatars that he uses is just so, so bad. Seriously, why would you not want the art you use for your avatar to look half way decent instead of like something I drew when I was ten?
Better art and a little bit of time in PNG-tuber, and you could make something that at least looks half way decent, even if it wouldn't improve his arguments any.
you expect cartoon characters to be truthful, ok.
15:54 Trent Horn is an inerrantist. He holds to the dogmas of the Catholic faith regarding scriptural inerrancy.
Here are relevant magisterial documents:
“For all the books which the Church receives as sacred and canonical are written wholly and entirely, with all their parts, at the dictation of the Holy Ghost; and so far is it from being possible that any error can co-exist with inspiration, that inspiration not only is essentially incompatible with error but excludes and rejects it as absolutely and necessarily, as it is impossible that God Himself, the supreme Truth, can utter that which is not true. . . . It follows that those who maintain that an error is possible in any genuine passage of the sacred writings either pervert the Catholic notion of inspiration or make God the author of such error.” -Providentissimus Deus, 20-21
“For as the substantial Word of God became like to men in all things, except sin, so the words of God, expressed in human language, are made like to human speech in every respect, except error” -Divino Afflante Spiritu, 37
There are Catholics who don’t hold to biblical inerrancy, such as Fr Raymond Brown a Catholic New Testament scholar. The catechism says ‘we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures’ which specifies that it is the truth that was put in the scripture for salvation purposes which is inerrant, not necessarily general information about history and so on. It’s open for Catholics to take either position so long as they affirm the doctrinal teaching of the Bible
@@graysonguinn1943 Fr. Raymond Brown believes a lot of heterodox positions. He is not in line with Catholic teaching on this point.
Also, Trent Horn explicitly believes in biblical inerrancy. He has done a video on it.
You are misunderstanding the Catechism in this point. The original Latin is more clear. It is quoting Vatican II, Dei Verbum, which does NOT teach that biblical inerrancy extends only to soteriology. Rather, it teaches that biblical inerrancy extends to all assertions made in scripture. Vatican II, references this doctrinal declaration from Pope Leo XIII:
“For all the books which the Church receives as sacred and canonical are written wholly and entirely, with all their parts, at the dictation of the Holy Ghost; and so far is it from being possible that any error can co-exist with inspiration, that inspiration not only is essentially incompatible with error but excludes and rejects it as absolutely and necessarily, as it is impossible that God Himself, the supreme Truth, can utter that which is not true…It follows that those who maintain that an error is possible in any genuine passage of the sacred writings either pervert the Catholic notion of inspiration or make God the author of such error (Providentissimus Deus, 20-21).”
Your common misconception in the Latin grammar was explained well by Hahn:
“[T]he grammar of the text does not in fact delimit the kind of truth under discussion. The prepositional phrase nostrae salutis causa, “for the sake of our salvation,” functions as an adverbial phrase modifying the verbal expression, consignari voluit, “wished to be recorded.” As such, it elucidates the purpose behind God’s desire to put his truth in the Bible without differentiating between different classes of truths it may be said to express.”
Vatican II, and thus the Catechism, explicitly affirms biblical inerrancy on all scriptural assertions of truth, whether or not they are soteriological. Catholics are obligated to hold to inerrancy thusly. That is not to deny the importance of understanding genre in scripture. Biblical inerrancy does not deny the existence of metaphors, poetry, or even hyperbole in scripture. It merely means that all assertions of truth within scripture are inerrant.
@@carsonianthegreat4672 Finaly someone said it. Deo Gratias
This is so cool, I was watching that video from paulogia early today. (I never watch that channel so it was kind of random) Great timing !
Heya! Grew up in a very lukewarm catholic household!
Your vids are helping me find Christ again! Currently leaning towards Lutheranism, but still waiting to see if the spirit guides me elsewhere!
God Bless!
The quality of their video and the animations just screams mediocrity. I'm starting to think believing in God encourages a system of excellence.
IP is a beast in a good way
I think we Should be trying to determine what the Bible/texts means based on the context of what those words meant at their time of writing.
Trying to alter the meaning to fit modern context seems dishonest from my point of view.
What do you think?
Easy home run for you guys.
Bro these guys are gonna say stuff that is gonna cause pauligia to respond and say some more crazy stuff 😂
I mean, I hope this occurs since Paul’s responses to Michael only lead to worse performance from Paul, such as the latest video with Dr. Kipp and Dr. Bowen. :P
So, hopefully Paul keeps this up since he’s separating himself from thoughtful atheists like Alex O’Connor more and more. Atheists will still love his channel, but he won’t be as persuasive as the awesome Christians in this stream. ;)
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Attempt #2 of asking if IP will ever update the recommended reading list on IP's website bc IP has recommended some books, which aren't in the recommended reading, so the question is wether they are as useful as the ones recommended.
Or Maybe put in the list of all the books you've Read lol (Impossible Challenge).
Also, attempt 1 of Asking IP to break it Down funky style.
Better yet, is IP on Goodreads?
@@EmilyTodicescu another good question.
"I'm here too!"
Hebrew being an amalgamation sounds like English.
Jesus lives! ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
Before dietary laws of Moses there was a clear distinction between clean and unclean animals, animals which are and are not acceptable as sacrifices. Jehovah revealed it, probably, to Abel, and surely to Noah. Israelites in Egypt followed this guidelines which later become more explicit, which became laws...
It’s interesting that in the time of Noah the distinction was only for sacrifices, but in Moses’ time it was also for eating. The expansion of the distinction
Eric left out Wisconsin Synod as a Lutheran option for IP, although I think they take a more literalist view of Genesis than he would (not 100% sure on the official WELS position though).
Delighting in the Trinity is a great book on the Trinity and the Persons of God
Im the thousandth like! You guys are awesome. Keep em coming!
Do you have any thoughts on whether the Nebuchadnezzar mentioned in Judith is actually Nebuchadnezzar IV, aka Arakha, a rebel seeking to reestablish Babylon agains Persia, who claimed to be the son of Nabonidus? This makes most sense to me currently as the text of Judith suggests it’s after the return from the exile, decades after Nebuchadnezzar II was dead.
Playing Minecraft and half listening. Even 51:23 fried my brain immediately, with that very obvious circular reasoning. I was even doubting myself because I didn't believe they would be so obvious about it
But most of Matt 24 is NOT about Jesus' return but rather the time leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. Jesus makes a clear distinction between that and when he will return, which will indeed be like lightening and unexpected, without any signs. I dont think you have understood Matt 24 correctly.
It has been years since I read it, but Geisler's "Come Let Us Reason" is a book that delves pretty deeply into how to use logic well, and notice when others are using it incorrectly.
Missed the stream. Do they use Kipp Davis rules for arguing? Granted the guest isn't Dr. Falk.
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About John he also might have had some sort of connection with someone from the high priest.
John 18:15 it also might have been someone else, just something that caught my eye only because it's only mentioned in John's Gospel
This is really good stuff. Thank you so much for addressing this
You see!!
Sometimes the word fundamentalist is used meaning a bigot.
uhh wtf are they talking about, not a fan of the guy but see Anthropologist Robert Sepher there is no question the Israelites were in Egypt
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1 thess 5:10 is not about the dead. It's about people who don't care about what is happening around them. Children of the night.
35:37 was it worth it Edward? 😭😭
I still dont understand the argument about interpretation. If god wrote across the sky in clouds "im god and im real" would be irrefutable proof of a high power. That would in no way force me to follow him. It in no way affects my free will. It just lets me know he is real. The fact the scripture has to be interpreted will always make me think it wrong. A parent given lesson or message to a child has zero interpretation involved. And gods lessons should be able to be understood by a child. Or he is a bad teacher.
The more vague points of scripture may be up for interpretation but they are by no means affecting its core message. Thats like asking exactly "how old is frodo baggins" sure its a interesting question but it does not change the fact he traveled the world to destroy the ring and save middle earth. Now to your point of divine hiddeness, God did reveal himself through Jesus that is your writing in the sky so to speak. If God were to reveal himself it would be coarsion, sure he could do that but how genuine would this new batch of followers be? God wants our love to be as genuine and as true as his own and with that great love comes great trust for the promises made in the covenant of Jesus Christ.
@prestonyannotti7661 The coercion theory doesn't fit since the whole Hell thing supposedly exists. If you don't love and accept God, you go to hell. So yeah. We are already coerced. God taking away all doubt would only help his creation. It could not hurt us. The world would become a much better place with free will still intact.
The need for interpretation only leads to division and doubt. I get the fact that he laid down rules and tells how to follow them. The rest is just fluff that leads to confusion? Maybe it would be better to remove all that entirely? Not to mention a good portion of the interpretation and contradictions found in the bible are directly related to Jesus' fulfilling prophecy. The revelation of God through Jesus that you speak of. This should be rock solid. Anyone who does not believe is not unreasonable by any means. A message written across the sky would be no different than a man being resurrected from the dead. A miracle. Only it would truly be God's writing. Not man writing "God inspired" contradiction filled stories that have not been proven.
Thank you for your correspondence. I appreciate a tactful trade of thoughts.
@@williammceuen8831 Your really begging the question dude. First Hell doesn't neccesarily have to be eternal torture forever with litteral fire and big red demons thats just how many decide to frame it. Hell is intentionally vague in its description but from what we can know Hell is a choice and everyone who goes there prefers it. Hell is locked from the inside as the great C.S lewis put it. Its a place that God rejects a place where sin is kept. Its only painful because you have realization of you're own wickedness.
The need for interpretation is logical. Why wouldnt it be? Do we not interpret everything? All things visible are interpreted, nobody is going to hell because they believe genesis 1 is metaphorical or not. Nobody will go to hell for being of a different denomination. Sure its annoying that infighting happens but thats just a inherent fact of human nature. So again 2nd or 3rd level dissagreements while divisive aren't the end all be all. Now for the rest being"fluff" you are seriously must have not intentively read much on theology but this fluff is extrordinarily helpful and is the frame work for so many historical and theological systems taking those away would take away all of western ethics. Jesus didn't come to tell everyone to be nice and to be peaceful(even if thats important) he came for the redemption of mankind not to rehash some mushy hippy sentiments. Now saying the bible is wrong because of some alleged contradictions is just a pathetic sentiment. Thats like me saying the earth is flat because i cant see the curverture, im merely missing the bigger picture just as many biblical critics do when they cherry pick verses they hardly understand
@prestonyannotti7661 Please excuse my paraphrasing.
"Hell doesn't have to be torture and fire."
-Torment, lake of fire, bottomless pit, is the few ways the bible depicts hell. I don't know anyone who would choose this.
"Do we not interpret everything"
-So this means that everything is subjective. Including the logic you spoke of in the statement you made. But I'll bet you think morality is objective. No interpretation is needed there, correct?
"Infighting is a fact of human nature"
-Who created everything that exists in creation, including humans and nature, according to you? If it exists and is not directly related to nature, that would make it supernatural.
"Western ethics"
-Born in ancient Greece. Philosophical Giants Socrates, Plato, Aristotle and like minded birthed what we adopted as Western ethics. No historical evidence shows any of those 3 to study or reference the old testament. Probably because the genocide, Grape, and slavery that is committed and or condoned by your God.
"Alleged contradictions=pathetic sentiment."
Literal, historical, archeological contradictions hold enough weight to keep your religion faith based and not fact based.
"Cherry pick verses they hardly understand"
-Seeing as it's all interpretation then there will never be an agreement on what it means. You "beg the question" by saying anyone hardly understands something that is subjective.
@@williammceuen8831lake of fire, bottomless pit is in revelations which a layman shouldn’t try to understand, look up the orthodox tradition.
The phenomenon of large numbers exists in a Greece and ancient China. I just read a book on Ancient Greece and they had massive numbers for armies too.
Regards Zoroastrianism, consider the books Daniel, Esther Nehamiah and Ezra. The Zoroastrian God was demonstrably seen to pale against Yahweh!
1:07:37 the correct word from the Greek is “traditions,” not mere teachings.
I'm sorry, but these arguments are as infantile as that guy who thought Drywood saved IP from killing a man the other day on stream. I mean these are really bad arguments they are making and I am NOT using hyperbole in my previous sentence. I mean it fully and completely that the guy who thought IP was wanting to murder someone in that recent live stream you did about that video with "DRYWOOD" had a more well thought out and intelligent argument than Paulogia and the other guy's arguments. I mean this is actually embarrassing how bad it is to the point I agree, this seems like either willful ignorance or downright propaganda. Also, and this is a pet peeve of mine, they actually don't seem to understand what evidence is when they say "we have no evidence". Now if they want to argue bad evidence ok then go ahead and do so, but [insert princess bride not using that word right meme here].
Point of contention around the 1 hour mark for Testify.
I have heard some argue, since you're using matthew, and supposedly matthew came after mark, that the change in language between 1st and 2nd thesolonians also applies to matthew. It was written after a little time had passed with no sign from Jesus, so they changed what Jesus said to make it less imminent.
This is usually ignored by apologists - as it is bad for their book sales to the masses. ;-)
Also, the Greek of the Johanine corpus is quite simple compared to Paul or Luke's Greek, thus indicating a less educated person wrote it.
I guess the question is whether the Bible is divinely inspired? Do you think a God would make his book clear, plain and understandable for the people of that time and for thousands of years later? Did God know people would honestly misinterpret his words throughout the centuries? Did he know translators with PHDs would mistranslate his words? Did he know the original copies of his words would be lost? Did he know there would be scribal errors and did nothing about it? Did he know his bible is not univocal and have passages that seem to contradict each other? Did he know people would need to write thousands of books trying to explain away these apparent contradictions? Did he know atheists today would point to all these problems and lead Christians away? Must be part of his divine plan? Some good will come out of this mess?
The subtitle guy sounds like he's talking through a fan
This is freaking funny lmao
Them trying to ID you traditional leanings is typical from traditionalizers.
Just keep doing what you are doing, focusing on the roots, the seed of the tree and your sights on those chewing and hacking at its roots, brother.
It's pathetic that the people who are so insistent that they are right, have to create their own interpretations of words in a Book, in their own Book that they want to sell you.
Instead of just
I will give Paulogia a break in one regard. While he always tears down and never really makes arguments of his own, he does view his positions as "scholarly consensus/majority" so maybe he just doesn't ever feel the need to flesh out positions. He might see majority/consensus as a good reason not to support his one liner summarizations. Presenting arguments in depth might be seen as unnecessary to him and out of scope because those arguments are established elsewhere.
Logic should be taught in middle school. There are no educated people who havent studied logic. I mean actually educated
Do you own a dog house?
@@enginear1157 lol.
@@adamh5153 Thank goodness you caught that lol. I'd have had to commit to the rest of the bit
Yeah! Internet NA/village have the identical interpretation of the Bible as the YEC. They have so much in common.
Except that modern atheism justifies YEC.
1:36:50 They were mocking Jesus for making a prophesy that was fulfilled very shortly thereafter. They are say, "Well, yeah, people aren't going to die before next week. Big whoop." As such, they are downplaying this and saying it's farcical.
Not sure how that effects things one way or another with regards to the validity of Christianity, though.
So its kingdom did come long ago? You must be one of the "it must be cryptic" people. So a second coming is not needed. Gotcha.
@@Angelmou This is a point which is highly debated. It was simply the case that IP did not seem to understand the point Satan and Paul were making, there, and as such I felt the need to translate what was meant, as such.
I *do* think that IP believes something along those lines, with regards to the coming of the kingdom having been accomplished before the Crucifixion, at least in a partial sense, though, and that this is why they felt the need to respond that way.
I did not watch the video, but right next to the 'Satan's guide to the Bible video' was a "Black Metal Iceberg" video with a picture of a goat and I thought it was interesting and kinda funny.
So you're only willing to listen to people who reinforce your beliefs.
These people are using absence of evidence, as positive evidence for all of their claims, while giving zero evidence for why they claim the "Documentary" is "Wrong."
@hime273 Not quite sure why you responded to him with hostility. What you said had nothing to do with anything he ever even remotely mentioned.
IP do a video that your cat sits with you
1. 9:00 is Satan not a development adapted from Judaism who adapted from competing war Gods? He doesn't seem "real" so to speak in the same way God is
45:00 _"This is a blatant lie, we have been doing the teaching, I have videos on..."_
You're completely missing the point... He is not talking about YOU Michael... He SPECIFICALLY refers to _"pew sitting christians"..._ Which means he is referring to the teachings that they receive IN CHURCH... Not on youtube on inspiringphilosophy's channel....
Yeah, I think you're 100% correct here.
"I'm not doubting scripture, I'm doubting your ability to interpret it property". A little judgmental, but ok. "No one reads the bible completely literally, that's absurd". People absolutely read the bible literally and have for a very long time to the detriment of themselves, their community, and their families. And no, not everyone understands metaphors and hyperbole like you say. Some people only believe what they hear and want to hear from their pastors/church leaders and it's exactly why they are referred to as literalists, also known as fundamentalists.