I need to hear your thoughts on Doechii new mixtape...before Elliott wilson drops his greatest female rappers plz check him if he listened to Doechii I just heard her Mixtape/album alligator bites never heal is so dope! 🔥 🔥
Mac Miller is another prime example of someone that has stayed truly hip-hop. Even when he made The Divine Feminine. He brought Hip-Hop acts into the album and added a Neo-soul touch to it all.
i think the current form of hip hop draws enough alternative influences that a majority of it might not actually be hip hop outside of some 808s and rolling high hats, but that's a different talk. I think that the white pivot foot is a good way of putting it. cool video man.
Great video. I try to give some artist (not all) grace bc we don't know what the uppers are pushing. Ex: Pink. People would think she used the culture however that was Reid pushing that image. However, these artist have to be aware and acknowledge what they are doing and how it's perceived. Thanks again CCB!!!
Whenever you point out Post Malone being a culture vulture you get attacked online because he is a nice guy. He can be the greatest person in the world doesn’t mean he didn’t use our culture like a stepping stone. Edit: really appreciate hearing a white person calling this out too. This is what an ally are suppose to. Salute!
Look at d-why he use to rap now he does country rap and I hate how post always disrespects, rap, and hip-hop and act like he didn’t get his fame and money and everything from that culture genre lifestyle he got upset because he got pressured and rightfully so by Charlemagne and that made him look at hip-hop and Black people interviews and he likes to say I’ve never been hip-hop. I never been rapping, rapping, hip-hop or not genres who listen to if you wanna feel any type of promotion, listen to Bob Dylan is some little hipster dude who got rich off of Black people and act like he didn’t make his money and name off us
@jeremy Itd be SUPER dope to see how you got to your position in hiphop! For me youre prob my favorite hiphop journalist rn! tbh i have NO IDEA where you came from lol. Side note i AGREE with pretty much everything Tyler said. When he says "theres really aliens out here" that STRUCK HOME! Theres really people out here in Seattle that are SO DOPE but the city has only been recognized twice with macklemore and lil mosey in the last 15 years or so.... Im SURE Jeremy can understand that being a white man in hiphop requires a CONSISTANT level of RESPECT for a culture you are a guest to. Ive spent my whole life understanding and falling in love with this concept and to see somone like Ian getting attention makes me wanna puke.....
I would love to make a video going through my journey if people want to know! I told some of the story on Figgmunity world the other day but I’ll go back into the details in a video
This is obviously a problem of low key racism. Most hip hop fans are white these days (not all white fans feel that way though, there’s obviously some people who aren’t racist) and it clearly is a situation of liking the music but preferring a white artist over a black artist, so when a white artist switches genres the fans go (even subconsciously)”oh, yeah, well, they’re more in their lane now anyways, they get a pass” and just allow it. Now those same fans are basically locking a black artist into what they think is “black music” and shouldn’t try anything else. I don’t know how well I explained what I mean, but there is a lot of low key, under the surface, racism in this country and a lot of the fans aren’t living a hip hop lifestyle, they just like the music. Hell, I know white kids who may have just one black friend, but all they listen to is hip hop. I think it’s racism more than anything else
i'm just gonna say this isn't a white pivot foot thing in my eyes cuz to me as a black person all of this still goes back to hip hop being a black culture artform or as Kendrick put it it's a colonizer thing cuz that's what it comes off as and that's why Tyler speaking on it still goes back to the same sentiments as Kendrick and just to reiterate he wouldn't pop out at pop out for no reason if he didn't have the same or similar stance to Kendrick but then again it's prolly internet amnesia forgetting this man literally came out at the pop out and dancing and also was in the hillbillies video so let's just say the word that shouldn't be danced around: COLONIALISM you can say neo colonialism but let's just call it what it is say it with me it's COLONIALISM and prolly racism or whatever but it comes off wrong and rubs the culture wrong cuz it feels like black face with Ian in my eyes personally and also this isn't complex if you think about it: it's ppl not respecting culture for what it is cuz hip hop is at the point where it got the elvis treatment with jazz and yes the internet complicates it but regardless i appreciate you taking time with your words and choosing it carefully jeremy
That's a pretty racist way of looking at it. Should we shun Tyler from making pop music just because he's black? Art is a form of expression and shouldn't have any limitations on it. If the result is good, and people like it, let the creatives create.
@@yawns3004it’s like you didn’t even understand what he said. It is an obvious affront. If you’re choosing to brush over that. You’re probably also prone to other culturally insensitive things. Colonizers never want to call it what it is. Stop it
@@yawns3004 BLM was exposed as a HOAX, but they still love their racism, but i'm just a black loving white chocolate kissing my kenyan woman in this photo, but still calling out BLM like covid-1984 like #metoo feminism like biden is illuminati trump is illuminati kamala is illuminati so DON'T VOTE, like so with BLM
This isn't new. Every genre of music Bl@ck people have created has always had culture vultures taking from it and then moving on when they want to be embraced by the whyte mainstream again. And for the majority of culture vultures there's always a small pocket of whyte artists who are the opposite. The ole appropriator versus appreciator dynamic.
You’re right about rock and country but truth is… Rock is Black invention and the banjo was created by enslaved Africans in the Caribbean and North America so what we DIDN’T originate that’s popular is a really really short list
Tylor made music for the ian of the world he ise to aleo disrespect hip hop in the past he shouldn't be shocked that the new gen doesn't reapect the culture if he himself didn't he is there influence
as a black dude i gotta ask the question what do y'all expect... hip hop is the number 1 music in the world if kids are Looking to do music and to make money rap is a no brainier the standards are so low you dont even have to know how to actually rap no more
That’s why I think more convos need to be had about who gets fully accepted (not saying I’m in any position to do the accepting lol) but just can’t let anybody be fully embraced
Country artist can’t crossover into other genres. Garth Brooks in 1999 tried to make a rock album and it flopped. I think being a “guest” in the genre helps with this.
You should check out F D Signifier some time, he talks about the same effect in Hip Hop and he tends to analyze things just as much as if not more than you do.
Personally I'm fine with artists 'Pivoting' to another genre. Pivot as many times as you want. The issue I see is a lot of these white artists pivot but talk down on HipHop as they leave, like it's a lesser artform. That is the main problem. It's shows a colonizer mentality. They come and TAKE, then crap on the very artform that brought them attention and dollars.
Using Lil Wayne’s rock album is not a good example. The masses and his core fanbase said that Rebirth was wack. It had nothing to do with him being a black artist coming into white genre. Wayne just didn’t know how to do rock.
@@jeremyhecht That’s fair I haven’t looked for that either but I ought to. I don’t understand why other psych rock artists wouldn’t want to give flowers to something that’s making that much money and attention
I find it ironic that Tyler is the one speaking out about a younger artist having fun and clearly not taking his music too seriously. Tyler is officially OLD. When he came out, his breakout song was him, (his words NOT mine), making fun of New York Rap and Lyrical Spiritual Raps. That’s why it’s called Yonkers. It was making fun of NY Rap beats and lyrical miracle raps. He was having fun. He then did interviews making fun of veterans claiming that he’s having fun and that they are being OLD heads because they disprove. Look At Him NOW Hating on this lil WhiteBoy making music that’s fun for him. Tyler’s OLD dawg.
Being old has nothing to do with calling out flaw.. Lbh if your calling him old its cause your young and have no actually rebuttal.. But he's correct 2000%.. Not being funny whites are guest in rap.. They dont have any control or say in how it goes..
He actually sat down composed all the beats. Wrote everything he rapped. Arranged all the music. You can’t compare a white boy rapping about nothing to a person who did all of that alone. And Yonkers was made as a joke song in the sense of when people make stuff they test different styles etc. he was essentially bringing up the he didn’t try to make a hit. He made a throwaway song that became a hit. But he wasn’t disrespectful of the style of music. Yonkers made hip hop blogs take Tyler as a rapper seriously. That’s how good his imitation was.
Stans are gonna Stan. I ain’t mad at it. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug. Tyler is acting like the “old heads” he was shaming back then for judging his music.
What do you guys think about all of all his? And what should I cover next? New video every Sunday
I need to hear your thoughts on Doechii new mixtape...before Elliott wilson drops his greatest female rappers plz check him if he listened to Doechii I just heard her Mixtape/album alligator bites never heal is so dope! 🔥 🔥
@@favi_yanoI LOVED her album. Such a moment in time that will be stamped for her. I will give a take on the pod and maybe a video also!
Mac Miller is another prime example of someone that has stayed truly hip-hop. Even when he made The Divine Feminine. He brought Hip-Hop acts into the album and added a Neo-soul touch to it all.
i think the current form of hip hop draws enough alternative influences that a majority of it might not actually be hip hop outside of some 808s and rolling high hats, but that's a different talk. I think that the white pivot foot is a good way of putting it. cool video man.
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Great video. I try to give some artist (not all) grace bc we don't know what the uppers are pushing. Ex: Pink. People would think she used the culture however that was Reid pushing that image. However, these artist have to be aware and acknowledge what they are doing and how it's perceived.
Thanks again CCB!!!
That’s very true also! I think if it’s done with respect it’s cool it’s just when people disrespect hip hop on their way out is where it gets messy
@@jeremyhecht exactly!!! Keep up the grind 💪!!
Bro is hella fried
CCB!
Yo-found you from the Elliot podcast. Wish you the best of luck on your RUclips!
Whenever you point out Post Malone being a culture vulture you get attacked online because he is a nice guy. He can be the greatest person in the world doesn’t mean he didn’t use our culture like a stepping stone.
Edit: really appreciate hearing a white person calling this out too. This is what an ally are suppose to. Salute!
Hey CCB!! You're great! Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I appreciate your input and hard work. ❤❤
I still spin rebirth to this day
@@christopherbarker9133 it had some great moments!
It was so underrated and over hated!!! I’ll never stop saying that
Look at d-why he use to rap now he does country rap and I hate how post always disrespects, rap, and hip-hop and act like he didn’t get his fame and money and everything from that culture genre lifestyle he got upset because he got pressured and rightfully so by Charlemagne and that made him look at hip-hop and Black people interviews and he likes to say I’ve never been hip-hop. I never been rapping, rapping, hip-hop or not genres who listen to if you wanna feel any type of promotion, listen to Bob Dylan is some little hipster dude who got rich off of Black people and act like he didn’t make his money and name off us
I used to love D Why… and he was completely rapping before this. I was a big fan
@jeremy Itd be SUPER dope to see how you got to your position in hiphop! For me youre prob my favorite hiphop journalist rn! tbh i have NO IDEA where you came from lol. Side note i AGREE with pretty much everything Tyler said. When he says "theres really aliens out here" that STRUCK HOME! Theres really people out here in Seattle that are SO DOPE but the city has only been recognized twice with macklemore and lil mosey in the last 15 years or so.... Im SURE Jeremy can understand that being a white man in hiphop requires a CONSISTANT level of RESPECT for a culture you are a guest to. Ive spent my whole life understanding and falling in love with this concept and to see somone like Ian getting attention makes me wanna puke.....
I would love to make a video going through my journey if people want to know! I told some of the story on Figgmunity world the other day but I’ll go back into the details in a video
This is obviously a problem of low key racism. Most hip hop fans are white these days (not all white fans feel that way though, there’s obviously some people who aren’t racist) and it clearly is a situation of liking the music but preferring a white artist over a black artist, so when a white artist switches genres the fans go (even subconsciously)”oh, yeah, well, they’re more in their lane now anyways, they get a pass” and just allow it. Now those same fans are basically locking a black artist into what they think is “black music” and shouldn’t try anything else. I don’t know how well I explained what I mean, but there is a lot of low key, under the surface, racism in this country and a lot of the fans aren’t living a hip hop lifestyle, they just like the music. Hell, I know white kids who may have just one black friend, but all they listen to is hip hop. I think it’s racism more than anything else
bro where they make you and send you out, you a real hip hop journo, finally, shoutout to DX too but damn you good man
Thank you bro I really love this and I do appreciate it a lot 🫡 Canadian born and bread LA adopted lol
i'm just gonna say this isn't a white pivot foot thing in my eyes cuz to me as a black person all of this still goes back to hip hop being a black culture artform or as Kendrick put it it's a colonizer thing cuz that's what it comes off as and that's why Tyler speaking on it still goes back to the same sentiments as Kendrick and just to reiterate he wouldn't pop out at pop out for no reason if he didn't have the same or similar stance to Kendrick but then again it's prolly internet amnesia forgetting this man literally came out at the pop out and dancing and also was in the hillbillies video
so let's just say the word that shouldn't be danced around: COLONIALISM
you can say neo colonialism but let's just call it what it is
say it with me
it's COLONIALISM and prolly racism or whatever but it comes off wrong and rubs the culture wrong cuz it feels like black face with Ian in my eyes personally
and also this isn't complex if you think about it: it's ppl not respecting culture for what it is cuz hip hop is at the point where it got the elvis treatment with jazz and yes the internet complicates it but regardless i appreciate you taking time with your words and choosing it carefully jeremy
@@ReyhanJoseph appreciate the thoughtful comment 🙏🏻🙏🏻🫡🔋
That's a pretty racist way of looking at it. Should we shun Tyler from making pop music just because he's black? Art is a form of expression and shouldn't have any limitations on it. If the result is good, and people like it, let the creatives create.
@@yawns3004it’s like you didn’t even understand what he said. It is an obvious affront. If you’re choosing to brush over that. You’re probably also prone to other culturally insensitive things. Colonizers never want to call it what it is. Stop it
@@yawns3004 BLM was exposed as a HOAX, but they still love their racism, but i'm just a black loving white chocolate kissing my kenyan woman in this photo, but still calling out BLM like covid-1984 like #metoo feminism like biden is illuminati trump is illuminati kamala is illuminati so DON'T VOTE, like so with BLM
Eminem, Mac Miller, Yung Lean, and Nettspend are the only ones maybe on the Mount Rushmore the rest are pretty much exploitive
This isn't new. Every genre of music Bl@ck people have created has always had culture vultures taking from it and then moving on when they want to be embraced by the whyte mainstream again. And for the majority of culture vultures there's always a small pocket of whyte artists who are the opposite. The ole appropriator versus appreciator dynamic.
You’re right about rock and country but truth is…
Rock is Black invention and the banjo was created by enslaved Africans in the Caribbean and North America so what we DIDN’T originate that’s popular is a really really short list
Great video we just don’t want Jeremy to make that white pivot and go to tmz 🤣
You’ll see me bring hip hop into everything I do always 😂❤
Tylor made music for the ian of the world he ise to aleo disrespect hip hop in the past he shouldn't be shocked that the new gen doesn't reapect the culture if he himself didn't he is there influence
Tyler LOVES hip hop and rapping tho
as a black dude i gotta ask the question what do y'all expect... hip hop is the number 1 music in the world if kids are Looking to do music and to make money rap is a no brainier the standards are so low you dont even have to know how to actually rap no more
That make it morally correct and we should just shut up and take it like we have been through out American history.
as a blackman exploitation is exploitation no matter how convenient it is. You should understand this.
You’re either pretending to be black or are completely detached from the culture. Which is it?
That’s why I think more convos need to be had about who gets fully accepted (not saying I’m in any position to do the accepting lol) but just can’t let anybody be fully embraced
I think it's important for you to cover (no pun) this
Thank you 🙏🏻🙏🏻🫡😂
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Country artist can’t crossover into other genres. Garth Brooks in 1999 tried to make a rock album and it flopped. I think being a “guest” in the genre helps with this.
Posty euro stepped the culture 😂 he was like sike ninjas 🥷🏾 🎯😂😂
You should check out F D Signifier some time, he talks about the same effect in Hip Hop and he tends to analyze things just as much as if not more than you do.
@@ceedubelu I’ve seen his work he is really great at what he does 💪
This is an actual Canadian accent
Lmao for real
Personally I'm fine with artists 'Pivoting' to another genre. Pivot as many times as you want.
The issue I see is a lot of these white artists pivot but talk down on HipHop as they leave, like it's a lesser artform.
That is the main problem. It's shows a colonizer mentality. They come and TAKE, then crap on the very artform that brought them attention and dollars.
If Ian wasn’t friends with boat do you think his name would still have got cut ?
Certified cover boy 😂
@@tenhusho 💪🙏🏻😂
Fs can see some Yeat inspiration in his music
@@MrErinBeast definitely some Yeat inspo
Using Lil Wayne’s rock album is not a good example. The masses and his core fanbase said that Rebirth was wack. It had nothing to do with him being a black artist coming into white genre. Wayne just didn’t know how to do rock.
Just the one that first came to my head but you’re right it wasn’t well received. What about lil Yachty?
@@jeremyhecht Oh you mean the psychedelic rock album? Let’s Start Here was well received. Some people consider it to be Lil Yatchy’s best album.
@@joshalex8627 it was but I didn’t see it getting much love outside of hip hop still - could be wrong though
@@jeremyhecht That’s fair I haven’t looked for that either but I ought to. I don’t understand why other psych rock artists wouldn’t want to give flowers to something that’s making that much money and attention
3:35 people really do t wanna admit this and it’s infuriating. 8:07 this 💩 made me cringe so hard.
😂😂 sorry but you deserve to be 💨 🌱 when listening to this dudes music 😅
Bro it’s literally racism
white pivot foot ™️
I gotta trade mark it lol
And lil Wayne’s rock album was trash. It wasn’t rock
I personally didn’t love it lol but was just trying to make a broader point
I find it ironic that Tyler is the one speaking out about a younger artist having fun and clearly not taking his music too seriously.
Tyler is officially OLD.
When he came out, his breakout song was him, (his words NOT mine), making fun of New York Rap and Lyrical Spiritual Raps. That’s why it’s called Yonkers. It was making fun of NY Rap beats and lyrical miracle raps. He was having fun.
He then did interviews making fun of veterans claiming that he’s having fun and that they are being OLD heads because they disprove.
Look
At
Him
NOW
Hating on this lil WhiteBoy making music that’s fun for him.
Tyler’s OLD dawg.
Being old has nothing to do with calling out flaw.. Lbh if your calling him old its cause your young and have no actually rebuttal.. But he's correct 2000%.. Not being funny whites are guest in rap.. They dont have any control or say in how it goes..
We all become old heads at some point I guess lol
Tyler always took his music seriously. He had crazy lyrics but he also produced all of his songs and most of OF songs by himself.
He actually sat down composed all the beats. Wrote everything he rapped. Arranged all the music. You can’t compare a white boy rapping about nothing to a person who did all of that alone. And Yonkers was made as a joke song in the sense of when people make stuff they test different styles etc. he was essentially bringing up the he didn’t try to make a hit. He made a throwaway song that became a hit. But he wasn’t disrespectful of the style of music. Yonkers made hip hop blogs take Tyler as a rapper seriously. That’s how good his imitation was.
Stans are gonna Stan. I ain’t mad at it. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug. Tyler is acting like the “old heads” he was shaming back then for judging his music.
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@@o_migl appreciate you!