In my honest and humble farmer opinion, i think that our understanding of the Universe nowadays is comparable to the preface in a book, where we illustrate the basics, but have absolutely no idea of how the basics are going to develop in the book itself. While we think that civilizations out there might be looking for us (or at us), it also might be very possible they simply don't give a damn. There is no way of saying that the history Humanity went through, was lived similarly by other civilizations out there, simply because the amount of variables is insane. You could also argue that civilizations at our own technological advancement level simply don't have a need to solve the question "are we alone?". Take for instance a planet which saw the rise of 2 intelligent species, and not a single one. Transpose that on Earth, and imagine Humans and Koalas (throwing an animal at random in the pool just for funsies) co-existing on the same level of intelligence. No, i'm not gonna touch the Furry argument :D My point is that such a situation would have a very important implication, and that is that *any* form of life can develop, ultimately, intelligence. Are we being watched by other civilizations? Depends on their interest. Is it purely scientific? Or perharps statistical? Do they care about intelligence, or they look at vegetation? And most importantly, *how* are they watching us? Are they just outside the window, or perharps they're watching us through various probes they left in space millions of years ago, which re-activated at the first detection of radio frequencies on Earth? The possibilities are freakingly vast. So my answer is "maybe, but maybe not".
This was one of the best yet. The enthusiasm of the two guests was just awesome and contagious. John is the best host out there by far. Keep up the good work!
the only reason someone from earth would ever say something to a bunch of other earthlings "earth is my favourite planet and humans are definitely my favourite people" is to convince the humans that you're really one of them, for real, not kidding.
@@elduderino7767 actually, it was a point she was trying to make about the assumptions we bring to our theories. that's why she repeated that exact phrase at two different points in the interview. what i was doing was a joke tho, since you're the expert joke identifier around these parts.
@@entropicflux8849 i never got past the quote, because yes, you sound that dumb - but thanks for confirming my initial impression with that follow up comment
For what it's worth from a random stranger off the internet, they are. And they are waiting for us to "grow up" for lack of a better term. Pointing nuclear weapons at each other isn't a sign we are ready for contact.
@Kelly Smunt Yeah but if they are 200 million LY away they can see that there was life on earth 200 million years ago by observing our atmosphere back then.
I always find it ludicrously ignorant whenever I hear the "Why would aliens be interested in us' argument to explain the Fermi paradox -these people call themselves scientists too??
Yeah also the "are you interested in ants?" argument. I'm like "Yeah probably would be, if they were harnessing nuclear power to power their ant cities"
@@Shrubchucker Ants are interesting simply by being ants. However the analogy is misrepresented. ANTS are interesting. That ant colony, located between the garbage bin and the half-corroded fence, probably isn't. If intelligent life is common, then a specific intelligent life is uninteresting. Only if intelligent life is rare do we become interesting, but that would then make us actually being spotted much more rare as well. This is based on the idea of "we are not special." Lucky maybe, uncommon sure, but not special.
@@Shrubchucker Yeah It's not like there are any ant specialized entomologists who've devoted their entire professional lives to observing ants and studying their behavior/biology or anything... right?
@@iron_labrador they absolutely study different species, so why wouldn't the millions of animal species on earth be interesting to an alien lifeform capable of observing it.
This made me think hard about the Fermi Paradox. I came to two possible solutions I haven't heared before so I'd like to share them. 1) They have observed us, noticed our nuclear arsenal capable of destroying all life on the planet multiple times over and our struggle with climate change (possible extinction). Not only would nukes be a deterrent to make contact but our possibly future uninhabitable planet could make their own planet a likely target for colonisation by humans. 2) Advanced civilisations did notice us. Launched a mission to reach us using near light speed travel. But as an effect of time dilation, they observed our planet in a state of what to us is our future. A future in which humankind has gone extinct. Yes I'm clinically depressed. Please don't make a meal out of me.
2 aliens are talking in outer space, looking down on Earth. "It seems the inhabitants of planet Earth have created nuclear technology and missiles" says one alien "are they showing signs of intelligence?" asks the other "I dont think so. They seem to be aiming at themselves
It absolutely breaks me when I reflect on just how violent that this planet was, and is. What will it take for us to collectively change for the better?
@@IslandGirlKelly We humans are too busy worried about nonsense such as money, cars, clothes, etc.. The covid pandemic has done one good thing….it has pulled the curtain back on America and showed the world how arrogant, greedy and racists we are.🤔
I’m so glad that I have found this channel. This was extremely interesting, I just hope we discover intelligent civilizations especially after the James Webb telescope
I just think the distances are too far.. 4 light years to closest star & our fastest shuttle goes 0.7% of the speed of light so it would take like 500 years still lol
Methinks that you are being watched more by corporations than your government. i.e. social media and advertisers. If a government is watching you then it is foreign.
Does anyone else click the thumbs up before even watching because you know what you're going to watch is going to be absolute top quality? I've been doing it for years and haven't been disappointed once.
Dont ever stop, I dont think you can, but please don't. your interviews are god tier, and always ask the questions I was thinking of as I thought of them. A very thoughtful person you are!
The event horizon of quantum science , unlike natural science does not seek explain and repetitive trials to prove it is a constant result being truth proven. Quantum physics ( especially at its 1900 heydays ) price nothing beyond what we know proven to prove something inaccessible to our horizon and beyond to prove. Not to be considered a truth of beyond what we can prove as truth or consequences of truth. Kiss IRAC.
Wow, these two were so much fun to listen to and such a great topic... This catalogue is amazing and so is their use of it. Thanks for the great episode!!
John all the information you compiled throughout time & space as well as getting all these people to converse on topics that many have no idea about. Thank you for spending your time to gather & breakdown everything. Thank you to all who support from the minimal to the great mass. Every conversation I have about anything to do with or anything else I always refer to your content here.
Maybe, but Anna doesn't get her astronomical info from The Junior Encyclopedia of Space. :D (For those not immediately catching the reference, here's a hint: "This is MUTINY, Mr. Queeg...")
These days we don't find so many relatively 'primitive' tribes in the jungle but when we do, don't we investigate? If we find any life out there anywhere won't we investigate? So if technologically advanced life has found us, wont they investigate? Did they already find us thousands of years ago. Are they already here?
Another great episode JMG. These two are very passionate about their work and the topics you discussed and it made for a great discussion. I hope they come back some time for another episode.
If they are watching I would ask, " Are you entertained?" If these UFOs actually contained intelligent life how do we know they are explorers and scientists ? They may be tourists on safari checking out the local wildlife like Westerners do in Africa.
We don't mind spending a few hours or a few weeks traveling to exotic vacation adventures, but I bet 1,000 years is a stopper even for very bored, adventurous and long-lived ETs. ESPECIALLY so for more advanced ETs, and MORE especially so for synthetic/AI species for whom a millisecond is a month.
@@alanbrady420 OP was talking about ET tourism. ET might send robots to do all sorts of things. Research, cultural exchange, religious outreach, conquest, pest control... I just doubt tourism.
A.UFO's usually behave like joyriding teenagers. B. Earth could be the galactic equivalent of a truck stop...or the drive in diner where the kids hang out. C. If we've been known for tens of thousands or millions or whatever years, we're kinda old news,eh ? Lurker probes...definitely.
Earth may be being watched, but we can hardly communicate with animals on this planet(in which we liiiive), how will we be able to communicate with aliens??!! I imagine first contact as us just looking at each other uncomfortably for a while...
Absolutely love your show john, been listening for a couple of years now, repeats at work and in bed. Space, the universe and aliens are the most fascinating things out there. Try and get a tv show !!!
I think the idea that radio waves are outdated technology is probably absolutely right, and we have not yet discovered the preferred means of communications among advanced societies. Most societies probably destroy themselves during that short time. I also found intriguing the idea that those advanced societies wouldn’t care to communicate with us because we aren’t worth it. What is scarier than the idea we are being watched, is that maybe they aren’t communicating with us is because they know we are already doomed. This episode was fascinating, thank you.
Our current stockpiles aren't enough to truly wipe us out as a civilized species let alone make us go extinct, it's a somewhat understandable fable, concocted to try and reduce the probability that some madman gets some delusions they personally could survive one, one which i agree with as such an event would really be truly catastrophic nevertheless.
It's impossible to confirm we're alone. How do we know we just haven't found them yet? Humanity could be asking that question indefinitely. In principle the only thing that can be confirmed is we're NOT alone!
I find it amusing that the solution to the Fermi Paradox could very well be that aliens are all equivalent to that one neighbor who only ever glares at you through the blinds like you've done something horribly offensive to them, but never bothers to come outside and talk.
Maybe they already tried to silently save us from global warming by giving us coronavirus (less pollution from less unnecessary plane/ship travel, less population to pollute, etc)🤔
Great episode! I've never thought the Fermi Paradox was really a paradox at all. It assumes a lot of things that might not be realistic (eg stuff like Von Neuman machines that may or may not actually be feasible). Plus it may well be that radio isn't something that's used beyond the infancy of a civilization. I'm also not sure we have good reason to think there's a linear progression that all civilizations must go through in the same order. Sure, it's unlikely to see radio come along before the discover of fire but beyond that there's no reason to think that every intelligent species would go through the same process, especially given the radically different biology. If you could reset human civilization back to about 40,000 BC would we expect everything to go the same the second time around? Maybe not!
John you should really consider creating a Discord server based around the channel. It's a very cool and fun way to expand the community. It's also a great way to engage with the community a little more as well. Just a thought. Love the videos. Keep up the great work! 💖
@@EventHorizonShow Absolutely! I mod for a few Discord servers currently so if it ever comes to fruition I'd be more then happy to! That would be so cool and exciting 😊
I second this idea. Dont really ever join channels other than the ones I play games with my friends on, but I would love to join a discord channel revolving around your content.
I find the idea that aliens came, saw a dinosaur world, and left the area absolutely hilarious, imagine the shock on their little alien faces when they return and the backwards creatures of the dinosaur world have evolved massive brains, discovered nuclear physics and started practising space travel. Aliens: "Oh no, they still have teeth....."
@@kjdempsey Yeah, maybe the Aliens visiting earth though that the dinos have no potential to become truly intelligent, therefore they "erased" Earth with an asteroid, and afterwards planted us in here 🤯
@@kjdempsey Nah im pretty sure life is born from inanimate elements just like everything else in the universe is comprised of. Its simple and doesnt require some magical gods or aliens or panspermia.
Would it be also useful information from Dural Australia, that my mate and I witnessed three UAPs drop from the cloud line and construct itself, a central disk that appeared out of nowhere, orbs embedded into it and took off. Sped into the cloud lines and evaporated or moved way to fast for our eyes to comprehend. - When you see the most ridiculous plasma orbs light up the night sky, acting with intention and doing things without sound or exhaust, vibrating on the spot and practically breaking physics. I go. Yeah we're are being watched. Probably have been for a very long time.
"Why would they want to see us? We are insignificant" So naive and narrow-minded. All intelligent life is fascinating. The path life takes to survive, and improve/enhance itself is absolutely fascinating. Imagine being a civilisation millions of years more advanced than humans- watching the path we take, decisions we make, how we interact with the universe, and the evolutionary process of intelligence and conciousness would absolutely be intriguing. Why is David Attenborough so successful? If I hear "why would they want to watch us?" again, I'm going to instantly listen to something else. Linear thinking "scientists" are regressive to our metaphysical evolution.
I kindof agree and disagree with you, I agree that it is narrow minded to assume that aliens woukd think of us as insignificant, but also naive to think they would find us fascinating. Ascribing any human trait to them at all seems to me strange. We know literally zero about aliens, the concept of interesting or insignificant may not exist in any comparable way.
@@spindoctor6385 I feel like you're taking the idea of avoiding anthropomorphizing a bit too far. Pretty much every sentient creature on the planet gets interested or "fascinated" by things. That's not to say their subjective experience is anything like our own or even that "interest" is the appropriate word. But you can even really survive as a macroscopic life form without the ability to recognize your environment and detect things that are exceptional (be it good or bad). You definitely won't become a space faring civilization without some amount of curiosity and fascination with the natural world that leads to scientific discovery.
In a little shocked that these scientist seem to think this finding life 80,000 light years away wouldn't be interesting. Finding life ANYWHERE would be amazing and would change humanity. If there are other intelligent life forms out there that determine that there is life on Earth I'll bet they would be as excited as us to see it on their world, regardless of the expected technological advancement of the life there.
I'm more concerned what 24/7 surveillance will do to the subconscious mind. It's been about a decade since cellular devices have had high quality voice and video recording capabilities. I'm sure it can't be healthy to feel watched all the time. Atleast that's something we as a species can deal with by enacting policies that protect our rights to privacy, now a type 2 or above species, that's outside our scope to monitor or stop. Cheers from Canada and thanks for this conversation.
This one is awesome. I love that these ladies openly hypothesize with you about these possibilities and even tell their own stories of what they think might be happening. The video gets better and better as it goes on. Home run
maybe i am an oddball but EVERY time they announce another exoplanet the first thing i think is “if someone is there can they see our transit”... this first came to my mind in-depth when i read if someone is at teegarden they can see our transit same as we do them... hmmm.. not that i am worried about it, it’s a curiosity for me.. i assumed if we could see their transit then they could see our transit
I think Dr. Lisa Kaltenegger has a really good point... Who wants to go have a conversation with a 4 year old?! Not really a viable candidate for meaningful, probably energy intensive ( costly) communication. It would make sense to spend the time and money on a candidate from some what similar evolution and technological compatibility. Good video
I wonder if there was a species watching us, they might just be waiting for a reply only. Like all they wanted to know is that other Intelligent life is present. "Hey cool, they finally responded - see we aren't freaks of nature, told you so. Sweet" They don't want anything other than that - just proof of concept. Could we handle that, would that be good enough for us too?
At the dawn of exoplanet research, all we could find were ultra-massive planets super-close to their parent stars. This led some astronomers to dig deeper into the "rare Earth" hypothesis. With enough observation time on Kepler, we got to see that wasn't the case, and those huge star-huggers are uncommon compared to more diffuse solar systems like ours. | Since we've found 70% of exoplanets via stellar transit observation, this discussion takes the next-level-up of anthropocentrism - much like the temporary blindness of limited data including only huge star-hugging planets. Throwing no shade here - its the best we got! But I often wonder what the next shell of anthropocentric naivete will turn out to be. After all, we have telescopes that can directly image exoplanets (not needing a transit observation), and are likely hundred or so years away from having telescopes that can resolve detailed surface features of exoplanets. How would this discussion go if were were talking about how alien worlds might observe us directly from afar without a transit? It is vastly easier to build a telescope than a warp drive....
The next 2 anthropocentric viewpoints to go will be 1) most Intelligent Alien species are warlike (Sci-Fi Movies, TV, Books) and 2) Most Intelligent Alien Species capable of Interstellar flight are Peacefull (the Sagan hypothesis).
Perhaps entanglement theory extends to biology. Perhaps life throughout the universe is at roughly the same point. Perhaps isolated emotions, unexpected inspirations and far seeing dreams are part of that beyond mere galactic biological entanglements.
We are not only lost in space by virtue of the size of this place, we are also lost in time. It is extremely logical to think that our mere 100 years or so of radio signals, travelling according to our laws of physics, won’t be picked up for as many thousands of light years as it takes to get somewhere inhabited by someone capable of deciphering it. We could all be dust before they find us. And as for us, likewise most everything we see outside our own system is a memory.
My only criticism is that I wish you used a better audio communication program. I heard a lot of compression/glitch sounds at the ends of words; it does decrease the quality of the video but not by much - I enjoyed listening to this 'podcast' a ton. Thank you for what you do.
Since there was the star trek reference here, I'd like to know that if we imaged the world around Wolf 359 and detected a large CUBE or Cubes orbiting the planet, would you want to send a message to that planet or would you just go that's interesting but 'NOPE' next planet.
Much of the science fiction of the past has become science fact today. As technology evolves, it is even more likely that the science fiction of today will become the science fact of tomorrow.
Forgive me for saying this so often, but I don't think the Fermi Paradox is a very interesting paradox. I think we are seeing exactly what we should expect to see - whether we are alone or not. We are blind.
@@EventHorizonShow Absolutely. That's why I'm here. The question is supremely interesting and potentially supremely important (if they land tomorrow). It's just the Fermi Paradox that I don't find interesting or important
John, I really enjoy your show. Since I was a young boy I have asked myself what I would do if we found intelligent life on a planet in another star system or, better yet if they found us. Personally, it would answer questions concerning my faith as well as questions about interstellar travel. Thank you for being there for me and so many other space junkies.
Maybe alien astronomers wouldn't be interested in us, but alien anthropologists would certainly be. The question is: how many alien anthropolgists are there? The Fermi paradox assumes that technological civilizations expand exponentially, as the most successful species here on earth have. If this is true, then there are a lot of them, and we should at least be somebody's doctoral dissertation. If they don't, then we could indeed have been overlooked.
Why do we assume that an advanced civilisation would be looking from the vantage point of their home planet? What if they have telescopes which they have sent out into deep space? After all, surely we will consider doing such things in the future.
None of them would be 'Now' like our 'Now' to us. A transported message would take thousands of years. *What if we are already too late to make sense of a message? They would have to know we Are (would be) here. How we respond today is nothing to them unless they realize what time is about, but Distance more importantly. By the time wedecode one message it would have been gone let's say...1,000 years ago. What are the odds? The messages aren't to us, but I wonder if it is the universe communicating with itself.
My take is definitely earth is being watched as we have bio signatures for millions of year. we are sending out radio waves for more than a century. So if we have any neighbor within 100 L years we might hear from them within a century. Assuming we are not alone.
Seth Shostak has suggested for years that we do a radio SETI search of the ecliptic because someone that has seen us transit might ping us. Now we have a good target list for such a search! :-)
For example, I've been listening/watching David Kipping for some years now and the Event Horizon only just, by way of quite a logical leap, algorithmically, have you come into my field of view. Had I not been listening to his discussions about whether or not we should engage in METI and Is there anyone out there watching US.... I may have been looking in another direction at the end of his last. So glad you were caught on my radar today and this podcast has been floating around out here for a year without me even knowing it existed! This is thrilling stuff and it makes me really happy to hear these two amazing women are engaged in such a search. If I were a young budding astronomer, this is the team I'd want to be on for sure! It makes so much more sense to be looking at it, or rather looking at us, in this way. IF we DO decide one day that we will send out another deliberate message or invitation, at least we might have a really good idea in which direction we should aim, or even if it would be a viable process to undertake at all. Subbed. Look forward to listening to more on this channel. Wish the Drs success. Will we get an update in 3 years time when the Gaia data becomes available? Oh wait, that would be 2 years now...👏👏👏
Even assuming a psychology similar to humans I think it's reasonable to assume that the desire to find alien life is highest before you know if it exists or not. If there's let's say three advanced species out there who all have knowledge of each other and maybe even exchanged numbers it's entirely plausible that they don't care too much about us because they've already confirmed alien life exists
I believe the Fermi paradox has more to do with not being able to detect alien civilizations. We would see evidence of some of them through their waste heat even if they didn't want to communicate with us
Why is it that we assume that alien civilizations would use radio as a means of communication. Our means of communication has changed many times with the advancement of technology.
Yes, by us at least Edit: wierd same thing I've been woundering I love it how event horizons episode answears the questions that cross my mind throughout the week
Civilisations will definitely exist in my opinion! There are too many stars and galaxies out there for there to be no one. The issue is distance between civilisations. I’d be happy with finding archeology evidence of past existence of another civilisation just to confirm others exist and we are indeed not so special
John's channels, Isaac Arthur, and Parallax Nick are my safe havens from all the politicization ...it's nice to think about space, with it's possibilities and lack of politics
It would be a major disappointment if there's nothing intelligent out there. And an ever greater disappointment if there's no life at all out there. But i am optimistic there's lots of stuff out there besides noble gasses and elements. And visiting those other worlds is just a matter of time.
If there is guys out there they know we are here or at least know life is here ... In a 1000 time if we don't destroy ourselves our capacity to surviel the galaxy will dwarf what we can see now... A civilisation ok nly a few thousand years of ahead of ours will have a pretty good view ... Speed of light issues may mean such civilizations have to be close. A million year old civilization would probably be watching everything
Our dna holds the answers, we're looking Im the wrong places for answers. we need to look into our own genetic dna codes to find more about our creation.
Do you think Earth is being watched? Is that unsettling to you?
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Maybe from faaar away, sure
John already knows my answer
Maybe 🤔
Pretty sure something knows earth 🌎 and a civilization is here... What that something is we may not know for a while.
In my honest and humble farmer opinion, i think that our understanding of the Universe nowadays is comparable to the preface in a book, where we illustrate the basics, but have absolutely no idea of how the basics are going to develop in the book itself.
While we think that civilizations out there might be looking for us (or at us), it also might be very possible they simply don't give a damn.
There is no way of saying that the history Humanity went through, was lived similarly by other civilizations out there, simply because the amount of variables is insane.
You could also argue that civilizations at our own technological advancement level simply don't have a need to solve the question "are we alone?".
Take for instance a planet which saw the rise of 2 intelligent species, and not a single one. Transpose that on Earth, and imagine Humans and Koalas (throwing an animal at random in the pool just for funsies) co-existing on the same level of intelligence. No, i'm not gonna touch the Furry argument :D
My point is that such a situation would have a very important implication, and that is that *any* form of life can develop, ultimately, intelligence.
Are we being watched by other civilizations? Depends on their interest. Is it purely scientific? Or perharps statistical? Do they care about intelligence, or they look at vegetation?
And most importantly, *how* are they watching us? Are they just outside the window, or perharps they're watching us through various probes they left in space millions of years ago, which re-activated at the first detection of radio frequencies on Earth?
The possibilities are freakingly vast. So my answer is "maybe, but maybe not".
This was one of the best yet. The enthusiasm of the two guests was just awesome and contagious. John is the best host out there by far. Keep up the good work!
the only reason someone from earth would ever say something to a bunch of other earthlings "earth is my favourite planet and humans are definitely my favourite people" is to convince the humans that you're really one of them, for real, not kidding.
Yeah really though, why would anyone even say that?
@@richardn6588 BECAUSE THEY ARE AMONG US
it was a joke - an attempt at humour
@@elduderino7767 actually, it was a point she was trying to make about the assumptions we bring to our theories. that's why she repeated that exact phrase at two different points in the interview. what i was doing was a joke tho, since you're the expert joke identifier around these parts.
@@entropicflux8849 i never got past the quote, because yes, you sound that dumb - but thanks for confirming my initial impression with that follow up comment
I have always hoped they're watching, since lying on my back staring at that star in childhood, *contemplating their existence*
For what it's worth from a random stranger off the internet, they are. And they are waiting for us to "grow up" for lack of a better term. Pointing nuclear weapons at each other isn't a sign we are ready for contact.
@Kelly Smunt Yeah but if they are 200 million LY away they can see that there was life on earth 200 million years ago by observing our atmosphere back then.
Hopefully they aren’t watching EVERY time we are lying on our back!😜
@@livingart2576 I usually do it sitting up.
Same! Looking up while they are doing the same wherever they are.
I always find it ludicrously ignorant whenever I hear the "Why would aliens be interested in us' argument to explain the Fermi paradox -these people call themselves scientists too??
Yeah also the "are you interested in ants?" argument. I'm like "Yeah probably would be, if they were harnessing nuclear power to power their ant cities"
@@Shrubchucker Ants are interesting simply by being ants. However the analogy is misrepresented.
ANTS are interesting. That ant colony, located between the garbage bin and the half-corroded fence, probably isn't.
If intelligent life is common, then a specific intelligent life is uninteresting. Only if intelligent life is rare do we become interesting, but that would then make us actually being spotted much more rare as well.
This is based on the idea of "we are not special." Lucky maybe, uncommon sure, but not special.
@@Shrubchucker Yeah It's not like there are any ant specialized entomologists who've devoted their entire professional lives to observing ants and studying their behavior/biology or anything... right?
@@iron_labrador they absolutely study different species, so why wouldn't the millions of animal species on earth be interesting to an alien lifeform capable of observing it.
@@felixfeliciano7011 well put 👏
"...intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us."
"The chance of anything coming from are a million to one" he said.....
Hans Solo: Never tell me the odds!
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cripmeister, HG.Wells,”War Of The Worlds.”
@@matildastanford7019 but still they come..
This made me think hard about the Fermi Paradox. I came to two possible solutions I haven't heared before so I'd like to share them.
1) They have observed us, noticed our nuclear arsenal capable of destroying all life on the planet multiple times over and our struggle with climate change (possible extinction). Not only would nukes be a deterrent to make contact but our possibly future uninhabitable planet could make their own planet a likely target for colonisation by humans.
2) Advanced civilisations did notice us. Launched a mission to reach us using near light speed travel. But as an effect of time dilation, they observed our planet in a state of what to us is our future. A future in which humankind has gone extinct.
Yes I'm clinically depressed. Please don't make a meal out of me.
Both great solutions. I especially like the first one. I hadn’t considered that.
2 aliens are talking in outer space, looking down on Earth.
"It seems the inhabitants of planet Earth have created nuclear technology and missiles" says one alien
"are they showing signs of intelligence?" asks the other
"I dont think so. They seem to be aiming at themselves
It absolutely breaks me when I reflect on just how violent that this planet was, and is. What will it take for us to collectively change for the better?
@@IslandGirlKelly We humans are too busy worried about nonsense such as money, cars, clothes, etc.. The covid pandemic has done one good thing….it has pulled the curtain back on America and showed the world how arrogant, greedy and racists we are.🤔
@@NickHurrBoi : Arrogant and greedy I'll give you, but the USA is measurably lower than average on racism.
If He ist referring top blm He has a Point.
@@helmsscotta No it isn't lol.
I’m so glad that I have found this channel. This was extremely interesting, I just hope we discover intelligent civilizations especially after the James Webb telescope
you'll love SFIA if you don't know that channel already ;D
Do you? I think it’d be cool but I’m shitting my pants thinking about it 😂
I just think the distances are too far.. 4 light years to closest star & our fastest shuttle goes 0.7% of the speed of light so it would take like 500 years still lol
I highly doubt in our lifetime .
I cant wait untill that things working super interesting
We as a collective are being watched all the time by our governments your are being watched because you put out great content )
Methinks that you are being watched more by corporations than your government. i.e. social media and advertisers.
If a government is watching you then it is foreign.
Some of us use Tor ;)
@@sagittariusa2008 Corporations are becoming our government.
@@terryboyer1342 Ask David Cameron!
Resistance is Futile
Does anyone else click the thumbs up before even watching because you know what you're going to watch is going to be absolute top quality? I've been doing it for years and haven't been disappointed once.
Dont ever stop, I dont think you can, but please don't. your interviews are god tier, and always ask the questions I was thinking of as I thought of them. A very thoughtful person you are!
I can't stop. It's far too enjoyable.
Glad to hear it John!!! Lol
I'm really excited about the James Webb telescope.
So are we, expect a video on the JWST quite soon.
IF it ever gets launched
Hopefully it makes it
@@babykosh5415 They're packing the components for transport to the launch site right now.
I took interest in astronomy about 10 years ago and the James Webb was just about ready to go. So, I'm not holding my breath, haha.
Oh man, it feels like we've been getting nearly daily content from here and your personal channel, John, and I couldn't love it more!
I have lots to talk about lately. Busy times for space news.
Event Horizon ritual. First press like button. Secondly, press play button
I see I'm not the only one! 😁
Lol. I do the same. Thats so funny...
🤣🤣🤣 We seem to be connected my friend ! Lol
The event horizon of quantum science , unlike natural science does not seek explain and repetitive trials to prove it is a constant result being truth proven. Quantum physics ( especially at its 1900 heydays ) price nothing beyond what we know proven to prove something inaccessible to our horizon and beyond to prove. Not to be considered a truth of beyond what we can prove as truth or consequences of truth. Kiss IRAC.
Interesting simple logic explicate sir
Wow, these two were so much fun to listen to and such a great topic... This catalogue is amazing and so is their use of it. Thanks for the great episode!!
John all the information you compiled throughout time & space as well as getting all these people to converse on topics that many have no idea about. Thank you for spending your time to gather & breakdown everything. Thank you to all who support from the minimal to the great mass. Every conversation I have about anything to do with or anything else I always refer to your content here.
Thank you for watching and sharing Anthony.
I love how Eryn Knight is Event Horizon's version of Red Dwarf's Holly... I'd love to see an outtake reel of her voice-over work!
You get it, Jeff! And we post outtakes on Patreon.
Love a bit of smeg dwarf 👌🏻
Maybe, but Anna doesn't get her astronomical info from The Junior Encyclopedia of Space. :D (For those not immediately catching the reference, here's a hint: "This is MUTINY, Mr. Queeg...")
Holly "The thing about black holes is, they're black." and Plankton's computer wife Karen. Lol
It is rather difficult to take someone with a Valley Girl drawl seriously.
Finally, something to look forward to a million years from now.
HAHAHA.....All of this is getting absolutely ridiculous. Who wants to listen to this?
These days we don't find so many relatively 'primitive' tribes in the jungle but when we do, don't we investigate? If we find any life out there anywhere won't we investigate? So if technologically advanced life has found us, wont they investigate? Did they already find us thousands of years ago. Are they already here?
I really enjoyed this. Lisa and Jackie were just wonderful to listen to. I hope you have them on again!
Another great episode JMG. These two are very passionate about their work and the topics you discussed and it made for a great discussion. I hope they come back some time for another episode.
i found this one VERY encouraging!!! i love knowing the “smart-kids” are actually thinking about things on this type of timescape! 🥰
If they are watching I would ask, " Are you entertained?" If these UFOs actually contained intelligent life how do we know they are explorers and scientists ? They may be tourists on safari checking out the local wildlife like Westerners do in Africa.
We don't mind spending a few hours or a few weeks traveling to exotic vacation adventures, but I bet 1,000 years is a stopper even for very bored, adventurous and long-lived ETs.
ESPECIALLY so for more advanced ETs, and MORE especially so for synthetic/AI species for whom a millisecond is a month.
@@bozo5632 what if it’s artificial super intelligence that could turn it’s self off until it’s by the nearest habitable planet?
@@alanbrady420 OP was talking about ET tourism. ET might send robots to do all sorts of things. Research, cultural exchange, religious outreach, conquest, pest control... I just doubt tourism.
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A.UFO's usually behave like joyriding teenagers. B. Earth could be the galactic equivalent of a truck stop...or the drive in diner where the kids hang out. C. If we've been known for tens of thousands or millions or whatever years, we're kinda old news,eh ? Lurker probes...definitely.
Earth may be being watched, but we can hardly communicate with animals on this planet(in which we liiiive), how will we be able to communicate with aliens??!!
I imagine first contact as us just looking at each other uncomfortably for a while...
Absolutely love your show john, been listening for a couple of years now, repeats at work and in bed. Space, the universe and aliens are the most fascinating things out there. Try and get a tv show !!!
Thank you, glad you love the show.
TV can rebrodcast Event Horizon! :-)
No please, don't go on TV and ruin it...
@@Bronco541 how?
@@ELLIOTNEWPIP Can it be that people watching TV haven't any patience, and want "swiiish/swaaash/swooosh"-action?
I think the idea that radio waves are outdated technology is probably absolutely right, and we have not yet discovered the preferred means of communications among advanced societies. Most societies probably destroy themselves during that short time. I also found intriguing the idea that those advanced societies wouldn’t care to communicate with us because we aren’t worth it. What is scarier than the idea we are being watched, is that maybe they aren’t communicating with us is because they know we are already doomed. This episode was fascinating, thank you.
Yep they wait until the remains of the nuke fest have cooled down and we are gone to settle in and clean up and say nice place ha ha !
Our current stockpiles aren't enough to truly wipe us out as a civilized species let alone make us go extinct, it's a somewhat understandable fable, concocted to try and reduce the probability that some madman gets some delusions they personally could survive one, one which i agree with as such an event would really be truly catastrophic nevertheless.
Its kinda spooky thinking something else might be watching.
It would be more scary to find out we're the only ones though
More sad than scary if we're the only ones
It's impossible to confirm we're alone. How do we know we just haven't found them yet? Humanity could be asking that question indefinitely. In principle the only thing that can be confirmed is we're NOT alone!
I find it amusing that the solution to the Fermi Paradox could very well be that aliens are all equivalent to that one neighbor who only ever glares at you through the blinds like you've done something horribly offensive to them, but never bothers to come outside and talk.
I don’t know how I randomly found your RUclips channels many moons ago, but I look forward to your content more than any other RUclipsr.
Glad you found us!
@@EventHorizonShow me too. Thank you for your content and helping us understand our universe a little better.
They're watching me eat, poop, sleep and repeat. Lol
No, that's just me.
A bit like Discovery Channel, then?
No that's the gov lol
"Are we being watched?"
I bloody well hope so!
The Watchers can then advise other civilizations on what NOT to do!
Maybe they already tried to silently save us from global warming by giving us coronavirus (less pollution from less unnecessary plane/ship travel, less population to pollute, etc)🤔
But who watches the watchers? 😉
This conflicts with the idea of "we are not special."
Yep, "why would you contact us of all places?", is the precise reason why the "Fermi Paradox" is no paradox at all.
Great episode! I've never thought the Fermi Paradox was really a paradox at all. It assumes a lot of things that might not be realistic (eg stuff like Von Neuman machines that may or may not actually be feasible). Plus it may well be that radio isn't something that's used beyond the infancy of a civilization. I'm also not sure we have good reason to think there's a linear progression that all civilizations must go through in the same order. Sure, it's unlikely to see radio come along before the discover of fire but beyond that there's no reason to think that every intelligent species would go through the same process, especially given the radically different biology. If you could reset human civilization back to about 40,000 BC would we expect everything to go the same the second time around? Maybe not!
Yep i would NOT be the same its all random ! Like a roll of the dice !
That was good, I admire your ability to think outside the box. Benny
Yes! Was just thinking I needed another of these videos and boom - it happened 😃
Perfect!
We have been watched for thousands of years, we are the ones in the Zoo,
I love your channel! With all the strange stuff the government is admitting to lately, I can't help but wonder
Thank you for watching. More high strangeness ahead.
I’ll probably have to re watch a few times to absorb all this
Thank you, Anna, for another good show. I know it's difficult to keep John in line and productive but you are doing an excellent job.
She promised me chocolates if I didn't wander off during interviews. There were no chocolates. There was only kale.
@@JohnMichaelGodier She cares. That's good, John. When she gets hands and feet maybe you'll be spared in the takeover.
John you should really consider creating a Discord server based around the channel. It's a very cool and fun way to expand the community. It's also a great way to engage with the community a little more as well. Just a thought. Love the videos. Keep up the great work! 💖
That's a great idea! We may need some well trusted volunteers to mod that though.
@@EventHorizonShow Absolutely! I mod for a few Discord servers currently so if it ever comes to fruition I'd be more then happy to! That would be so cool and exciting 😊
I second this idea. Dont really ever join channels other than the ones I play games with my friends on, but I would love to join a discord channel revolving around your content.
@@EventHorizonShow I run a discord server and could be persuaded to mod yours.
I find the idea that aliens came, saw a dinosaur world, and left the area absolutely hilarious, imagine the shock on their little alien faces when they return and the backwards creatures of the dinosaur world have evolved massive brains, discovered nuclear physics and started practising space travel.
Aliens: "Oh no, they still have teeth....."
We are the aliens
@@kjdempsey Yeah, maybe the Aliens visiting earth though that the dinos have no potential to become truly intelligent, therefore they "erased" Earth with an asteroid, and afterwards planted us in here 🤯
They would probably consider us on par with lobsters actually.
@@Fubo777 so many possibilities! Or maybe aliens are us from the distant future coming back to see where we went wrong or to put something right
@@kjdempsey Nah im pretty sure life is born from inanimate elements just like everything else in the universe is comprised of. Its simple and doesnt require some magical gods or aliens or panspermia.
Yes, we are being watched. We're an alien cable channel's version of Jersey Shore. Very highly rated.
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IDK whether ET is out there or not, but the Great Silence is fully accounted for by our great deafness.
Or it’s just silent.
"Unique outreach endeavors" is such dystopian corporate speak.
Love these, Fixes my existential itch 😆
Regards and respect from Australia, great interview and information.
Would it be also useful information from Dural Australia, that my mate and I witnessed three UAPs drop from the cloud line and construct itself, a central disk that appeared out of nowhere, orbs embedded into it and took off. Sped into the cloud lines and evaporated or moved way to fast for our eyes to comprehend. - When you see the most ridiculous plasma orbs light up the night sky, acting with intention and doing things without sound or exhaust, vibrating on the spot and practically breaking physics. I go. Yeah we're are being watched. Probably have been for a very long time.
"Why would they want to see us? We are insignificant"
So naive and narrow-minded.
All intelligent life is fascinating. The path life takes to survive, and improve/enhance itself is absolutely fascinating. Imagine being a civilisation millions of years more advanced than humans- watching the path we take, decisions we make, how we interact with the universe, and the evolutionary process of intelligence and conciousness would absolutely be intriguing.
Why is David Attenborough so successful?
If I hear "why would they want to watch us?" again, I'm going to instantly listen to something else. Linear thinking "scientists" are regressive to our metaphysical evolution.
Attenborough watches.
I kindof agree and disagree with you, I agree that it is narrow minded to assume that aliens woukd think of us as insignificant, but also naive to think they would find us fascinating. Ascribing any human trait to them at all seems to me strange.
We know literally zero about aliens, the concept of interesting or insignificant may not exist in any comparable way.
@@spindoctor6385 fascination is purely a human trait?
@@DougieBarclay No but it is not universal among life on Earth let alone life that may not be related to us at all.
@@spindoctor6385 I feel like you're taking the idea of avoiding anthropomorphizing a bit too far.
Pretty much every sentient creature on the planet gets interested or "fascinated" by things. That's not to say their subjective experience is anything like our own or even that "interest" is the appropriate word. But you can even really survive as a macroscopic life form without the ability to recognize your environment and detect things that are exceptional (be it good or bad).
You definitely won't become a space faring civilization without some amount of curiosity and fascination with the natural world that leads to scientific discovery.
Leaving a like & a comment before even watching it. Saving this for bedtime. Thanks as always JMG
This is a very dated question. Have these scientists not bothered to study what our government released less than a year ago? They’re
already here.
In a little shocked that these scientist seem to think this finding life 80,000 light years away wouldn't be interesting. Finding life ANYWHERE would be amazing and would change humanity.
If there are other intelligent life forms out there that determine that there is life on Earth I'll bet they would be as excited as us to see it on their world, regardless of the expected technological advancement of the life there.
I'm more concerned what 24/7 surveillance will do to the subconscious mind. It's been about a decade since cellular devices have had high quality voice and video recording capabilities. I'm sure it can't be healthy to feel watched all the time. Atleast that's something we as a species can deal with by enacting policies that protect our rights to privacy, now a type 2 or above species, that's outside our scope to monitor or stop. Cheers from Canada and thanks for this conversation.
I’ve been waiting for a video like this for the past year
This one is awesome. I love that these ladies openly hypothesize with you about these possibilities and even tell their own stories of what they think might be happening. The video gets better and better as it goes on. Home run
Totally agree. A fantastic discussion.
maybe i am an oddball but EVERY time they announce another exoplanet the first thing i think is “if someone is there can they see our transit”... this first came to my mind in-depth when i read if someone is at teegarden they can see our transit same as we do them... hmmm.. not that i am worried about it, it’s a curiosity for me.. i assumed if we could see their transit then they could see our transit
I think Dr. Lisa Kaltenegger has a really good point... Who wants to go have a conversation with a 4 year old?! Not really a viable candidate for meaningful, probably energy intensive ( costly) communication. It would make sense to spend the time and money on a candidate from some what similar evolution and technological compatibility.
Good video
I wonder if there was a species watching us, they might just be waiting for a reply only. Like all they wanted to know is that other Intelligent life is present.
"Hey cool, they finally responded - see we aren't freaks of nature, told you so. Sweet"
They don't want anything other than that - just proof of concept. Could we handle that, would that be good enough for us too?
At the dawn of exoplanet research, all we could find were ultra-massive planets super-close to their parent stars. This led some astronomers to dig deeper into the "rare Earth" hypothesis. With enough observation time on Kepler, we got to see that wasn't the case, and those huge star-huggers are uncommon compared to more diffuse solar systems like ours. |
Since we've found 70% of exoplanets via stellar transit observation, this discussion takes the next-level-up of anthropocentrism - much like the temporary blindness of limited data including only huge star-hugging planets. Throwing no shade here - its the best we got! But I often wonder what the next shell of anthropocentric naivete will turn out to be. After all, we have telescopes that can directly image exoplanets (not needing a transit observation), and are likely hundred or so years away from having telescopes that can resolve detailed surface features of exoplanets.
How would this discussion go if were were talking about how alien worlds might observe us directly from afar without a transit? It is vastly easier to build a telescope than a warp drive....
The next 2 anthropocentric viewpoints to go will be 1) most Intelligent Alien species are warlike (Sci-Fi Movies, TV, Books) and 2) Most Intelligent Alien Species capable of Interstellar flight are Peacefull (the Sagan hypothesis).
Babe wake up new event horizon
*Reptile mode*
The quickest way to respond to an alien signal that you cannot understand is to send back the same signal.
Finally someone answered the question I've had for years. :)
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Perhaps entanglement theory extends to biology. Perhaps life throughout the universe is at roughly the same point. Perhaps isolated emotions, unexpected inspirations and far seeing dreams are part of that beyond mere galactic biological entanglements.
We are not only lost in space by virtue of the size of this place, we are also lost in time. It is extremely logical to think that our mere 100 years or so of radio signals, travelling according to our laws of physics, won’t be picked up for as many thousands of light years as it takes to get somewhere inhabited by someone capable of deciphering it. We could all be dust before they find us.
And as for us, likewise most everything we see outside our own system is a memory.
My only criticism is that I wish you used a better audio communication program. I heard a lot of compression/glitch sounds at the ends of words; it does decrease the quality of the video but not by much - I enjoyed listening to this 'podcast' a ton.
Thank you for what you do.
Sometimes it happens because as in this case, people are in multiple countries and timezones.
@@EventHorizonShow understandable, I suppose not everyone has the best audio gear in the world either.
Since there was the star trek reference here, I'd like to know that if we imaged the world around Wolf 359 and detected a large CUBE or Cubes orbiting the planet, would you want to send a message to that planet or would you just go that's interesting but 'NOPE' next planet.
Much of the science fiction of the past has become science fact today. As technology evolves, it is even more likely that the science fiction of today will become the science fact of tomorrow.
Forgive me for saying this so often, but I don't think the Fermi Paradox is a very interesting paradox. I think we are seeing exactly what we should expect to see - whether we are alone or not. We are blind.
Even if we are “blind” it’s still one of the most interesting questions in our entire existence and experience.
@@EventHorizonShow Absolutely. That's why I'm here.
The question is supremely interesting and potentially supremely important (if they land tomorrow). It's just the Fermi Paradox that I don't find interesting or important
John, I really enjoy your show. Since I was a young boy I have asked myself what I would do if we found intelligent life on a planet in another star system or, better yet if they found us. Personally, it would answer questions concerning my faith as well as questions about interstellar travel. Thank you for being there for me and so many other space junkies.
An excellent way to start off my drive to work.
Maybe alien astronomers wouldn't be interested in us, but alien anthropologists would certainly be. The question is: how many alien anthropolgists are there? The Fermi paradox assumes that technological civilizations expand exponentially, as the most successful species here on earth have. If this is true, then there are a lot of them, and we should at least be somebody's doctoral dissertation. If they don't, then we could indeed have been overlooked.
Why do we assume that an advanced civilisation would be looking from the vantage point of their home planet? What if they have telescopes which they have sent out into deep space? After all, surely we will consider doing such things in the future.
We are being watched from much much closer than from another solar system.
Maaaaaate the most perfect timing on this ep! 🙏👊
None of them would be 'Now' like our 'Now' to us. A transported message would take thousands of years. *What if we are already too late to make sense of a message? They would have to know we Are (would be) here. How we respond today is nothing to them unless they realize what time is about, but Distance more importantly. By the time wedecode one message it would have been gone let's say...1,000 years ago. What are the odds? The messages aren't to us, but I wonder if it is the universe communicating with itself.
Good show and guests
My take is definitely earth is being watched as we have bio signatures for millions of year. we are sending out radio waves for more than a century. So if we have any neighbor within 100 L years we might hear from them within a century.
Assuming we are not alone.
I really like the idea of keeping searches in our local area.
Seth Shostak has suggested for years that we do a radio SETI search of the ecliptic because someone that has seen us transit might ping us. Now we have a good target list for such a search! :-)
For example, I've been listening/watching David Kipping for some years now and the Event Horizon only just, by way of quite a logical leap, algorithmically, have you come into my field of view. Had I not been listening to his discussions about whether or not we should engage in METI and Is there anyone out there watching US.... I may have been looking in another direction at the end of his last. So glad you were caught on my radar today and this podcast has been floating around out here for a year without me even knowing it existed! This is thrilling stuff and it makes me really happy to hear these two amazing women are engaged in such a search. If I were a young budding astronomer, this is the team I'd want to be on for sure! It makes so much more sense to be looking at it, or rather looking at us, in this way. IF we DO decide one day that we will send out another deliberate message or invitation, at least we might have a really good idea in which direction we should aim, or even if it would be a viable process to undertake at all. Subbed. Look forward to listening to more on this channel. Wish the Drs success. Will we get an update in 3 years time when the Gaia data becomes available? Oh wait, that would be 2 years now...👏👏👏
Even assuming a psychology similar to humans I think it's reasonable to assume that the desire to find alien life is highest before you know if it exists or not. If there's let's say three advanced species out there who all have knowledge of each other and maybe even exchanged numbers it's entirely plausible that they don't care too much about us because they've already confirmed alien life exists
And slowly and surely they drew their plans against us.
Wow,excellant got yourself a new subscriber so excited u tube finally recommended something worthwhile
Glad you found us.
Unbelievably interesting. Keep it up John
I believe the Fermi paradox has more to do with not being able to detect alien civilizations. We would see evidence of some of them through their waste heat even if they didn't want to communicate with us
Fantastic as always. Thank you so much for making these.
Also, The Firefox Nebula at 50:07
By far best astrophysics content on RUclips✋⬇️
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Why is it that we assume that alien civilizations would use radio as a means of communication. Our means of communication has changed many times with the advancement of technology.
If the universe is eternal; time is irrelevant.
Aliens live here already folks, goodness's when will the madness end
Wow Dr Lisa has such a soothing voice and accent, love it
Yes, by us at least
Edit: wierd same thing I've been woundering I love it how event horizons episode answears the questions that cross my mind throughout the week
Civilisations will definitely exist in my opinion! There are too many stars and galaxies out there for there to be no one. The issue is distance between civilisations. I’d be happy with finding archeology evidence of past existence of another civilisation just to confirm others exist and we are indeed not so special
John's channels, Isaac Arthur, and Parallax Nick are my safe havens from all the politicization ...it's nice to think about space, with it's possibilities and lack of politics
Parallax Nick is good but he has referenced his politics more than once
@@Jackoclypse is that right? I honestly have never noticed that, but I haven't seen everything he's ever made.
I have only watched his content videos but I was left in no doubt from his remarks that he was firmly anti-brexit and pro-UK-left
It would be a major disappointment if there's nothing intelligent out there.
And an ever greater disappointment if there's no life at all out there.
But i am optimistic there's lots of stuff out there besides noble gasses and elements.
And visiting those other worlds is just a matter of time.
Somewhere out there we are known as Gorkomor-hacht 36917 and someone is arguing that it's unlikely complex life would form here.
If there is guys out there they know we are here or at least know life is here ... In a 1000 time if we don't destroy ourselves our capacity to surviel the galaxy will dwarf what we can see now... A civilisation ok nly a few thousand years of ahead of ours will have a pretty good view ... Speed of light issues may mean such civilizations have to be close. A million year old civilization would probably be watching everything
this content is amazing, so relaxing idk if it's the subject matter or the music In the background, perfect bedtime listening material.
Our dna holds the answers, we're looking Im the wrong places for answers. we need to look into our own genetic dna codes to find more about our creation.
Nice one! I definately think tbey are watching, never thought any different. Great show.
Maybe Fast Radio Bursts are messages from other civilizations, we just don't know how to decipher them yet 🤔