Black Panther & The Superman Dilemma
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Hot off the heels of Avengers: Infinity War, Marvel's Black Panther just came out on digital download. I thought the character has a lot of potential, but to me this movie had one core problem which prevented it from reaching the level of quality it possibly could have... a problem I like to call the Superman dilemma.
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Single movies aside, we lost a great actor who had done fantastic roles and still had so much untapped potential left. RIP King.
Rip 💔
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What made you revisit this video now?
Lmao u commenting tis now?
Also, dont spend the budget before the final fight, because actually looked like Ps3 tekken fight
Lol the rhino.
They actually had the budget, but only gave the editing/vfx 6 weeks to finish the movie.
I think it was given to them on December, and was told to finish right before or on February.
Tekken 3 is the best fighting game of all times.
It wasn’t budget, it was time, they only had about 6 weeks to do that scene
@@legotia Then they should have delayed the movie.
"If you're nothing without the suit then you shouldn't have it" - Tony Stark, Spiderman Homecoming
He takes a heartshaped herb that gives him superpowers, and as previously stated he defeats the antagonist at the conclusion of the movie with both suits disabled, having previously suffered mortal wounds, presumably making him physically less capable than the antagonist, despite his advanced healing so... He's plenty without the suit, including King of Wakanda.
Well Spiderman still is strong and has healing factor even without the suit... Tony is just a man... He is nothing without the suit
moto moto !? Tony has made a name for himself without the suit he has made so incredible things.
moto moto !?, did you watch Iron Man 3?
Bingo
I think the best way to approach overpowered characters is to make them vulnerable in other ways, risk of losing friends, family, social status, ect. Like with Dr. Manhattan. Or put them in situations that challenge their motives, like spiderman 2.
Agreed. The Superman dillema is a challenge to be met, not a problem to be avoided.
I disagree, the mere existence of the Superman dilemma is a trap that inevitably drains interest faster than watching grass grow. To write your character into this scenario is like taking a plane that can go anywhere (from a story perspective) and trading it in for a train that can only go back and forth on a track.
Take Superman for example, the only way his stories are any good is if someone has kryptonite, can destroy the world, or endanger his loved ones. Then they rinse, repeat, rinse repeat , rinse repeat again and again and again. Then at the point you have two options, keep raising the external stakes (collateral damage, world at risk ,etc.) or break the laws of the character you first put in motion. (Like they did in infinity war and end-game) but if you do either the audience is still not fully convinced ...it’s difficult for the audience to buy in once the laws have been established making them overpowered, you might be able to convince them eventually but it’s a trap that cuts your options down regardless... for example black panther will never have a high stakes battle without his suit. To have that be the case for your character is a problem.... or for Superman, the only way his battle is tense is if kryptonite is involved. It becomes way too constricted and boring.
Dr Manhattan was not a main character and was effectively separated from the main plot. Allowing tension to take place elsewhere. If they were to make more than one movie with Manhattan then his arc would be too much the same every time.
Spider-Man 2 has none of this dilemma however
@@ZEPR0FESS0RR The fact that Superman is so powerful helps to avoid another common pitfall in writers: thinking that a physical, violent threat can be the only source of conflict in a story.
I actually like Superman as a character because his pysical power forces the writers working with him to find more creative ways of challenging him. I remember one comic where Superman was wrestling with the thought that his prescence on Earth is somehow stunting humanity's growth, making them dependent on him for solving their problems. He is forced to confront this problem when he encounters a town full of farmers who are too scared to confront their brutal taskmaster, but are more than content to let Superman show up to potentially arrest him. In this situation Superman is faced with two bad options: stop the taskmaster and further fuel the farmers' apathy, or leave them alone to forever suffer under the taskmaster's whip. In other words, he has to save somebody while also finding a way of teaching them to not wait around for someone to save them. Its a paradox that makes for a wonderfully conflict ridden story!
Supermans relationship with Lois Lane has also made for some great stories. Before Superman revealed his secret identity to her he had a big problem where she loves Superman, but he can only be with her as Clark Kent since that is who he really is and because he wants her to love him for that rather than for being a big buff super hero. You can't just punch your way to someones heart! (Well, you can, but not if you want to marry them).
Last among my favorite stories featuring Superman is called 'the man who has everything.' It features a big bad monster that can kill earth like many other Superman stories. What I found interesting about it is that it features a parasite that can trigger a hallucination that grants a person their heart's greatest desires. In Superman's case, this caused him to dream that he was alive on an un-exploded Krypton. There was conflict in the form of the dream being everything that his heart could desire, but at the same time he also knew deep down that he needed to find the emotional strength to leave it in order to wake up in the real world and beat the badguy. He later equated waking up from the dream to "ripping my own arm off." You might argue that its unrealistic for a parasite to have any such effect on him, but we live in a world where microscopic organisms can kill beasts as big as humans so I wouldn't bet against nature's ability to find creatures that can challenge any living organism, even a kryptonian one.
There are pysical conflicts, social conflicts, and internal conflicts. Crafting great Superman stories, or just any story really, is about recognizing the different ways that you can test your main character and balancing them properly. Even non-powered characters like Batman or Spiderman would be really boring if all of their problems were external or physical threats. In the latter case, everything exciting about that character stems from the juggling act between his life as a Peter and his life as Spiderman, which is a distinctly non-combat based conflict.
@@ZEPR0FESS0RR or do it like DBZ and give them more powerfull enemies... dunno how far they are in power scales in db universe but i would not be surprised if there are beeings strong enough to destroy multiple universes at once...
And dont forgte, goku began as a boy sligthly stronger then average humans. :D
@@danielwolf6477 problem with that is superman is already on a multiuniveral scale his existence itself makes the multiverse go around as dr manhattan once stated. Hell superman on multiple occasions had to literally hold reality up so it doesn't come crashing down
I think killing off Klaw was a mistake, Serkis is a fantastic actor and made a great villain. Not to mention that his arm blaster seemed quite capable of damaging vibranium.
Maybe he had a vibranium skull to absorb the bullet?
In the comics Klaw could be completely subdued by Vibranium due to its sound absorption qualities , which rendered Klaw's sonic power useless. Though I suppose that's all been retconned now , I don't know.
They should have saved him for black panther 2
@@gabrielmutombo7078 namor is going to be the antagonist for bp 2
But we saw at the end of the car chase when Klaue blasted T’challa with his arm T’challa just tanked it and kept on walking
Not to mention the black panther suit is OP from the start and gets upgrades thrown at it constantly , while iron man's suit while it is strong at first only gets major upgrades every time he faces failure , makes it feel like Tony Stark is growing with the suit while the black panther suit is perfect from the start
@KAI PHAN To be fair, Thanos would have destroyed the black panther suit without any problem. Like he killed Vision or broke Caps shield.
@KAI PHAN Yeah, this suit is totally overpowered in this film, so there must be a strong villain that doesn't fit in the Setting of the movie.
Just wanted to say that the Iron man suit in Infinity war is much better than the Black Panther suit in my opinion. (But he has to fight much stronger villains, so that makes sense.)
@KAI PHAN I think another problem was none of the threats he faces asides from Kilmonger are actually a real threat. A character being powerful isn’t bad in of itself, for example most people would agree someone like Thor, Dr. Strange and Wanda are stronger than BP and there are many other superheroes ranging from Spiderman to Aquaman who have similar levels of durability and strength to him however the difference is all of the characters I just stated face serious stakes and threats appropriate to their own strength throughout their respective movies. That’s why both a Batman film and a Thor film could have equal stakes and dangers to the protagonists despite the significant power gap between Batman and Thor.
@@jasonberryman1035 Black Panther's suit was so OP, the only way to defeat someone else using it was to force it off them
@KAI PHAN FUCKING SPOILERS DUDE
In the infinity war movie, we find out that the suit is not snap-proof.
Addi S. Koon I guess in the movies it’s not sound proof
Sean Colley don’t you get the joke
DSYR encryption no I do just in comics it’s vibration proof my joke was building off yours saying that the snap caused vibration killing him
Jack 730 what that makes no sense I made the joke it can’t be dead if it’s new it might be bad (well it is but) but still
Jack 730 well I just don’t understand why you have to input when you have nothing to say and your point is irrelevant
"guns.. so primitive"
You poke people with a stick and have trial by combat
V i b r a n i u m S t i c k
and a monarchy
@@ender_z4nd3r83 last i checked monarchy isn't primitive
@@alis6581 Probably the second or third most primitive style
@@cavader1381 its not primitive at all, its just strange for a monarch
His only weakness is a deformed farmer with a bunch of stones
*rocks
@@magnusanderson6681 Dammit Marie, it's minerals.
Oh boy, Farmer With A Shotgun from _Dragon Ball Z_ really IS that strong !!!
First of all, the reality Stone isn't really a Stone.
(Thor, Endgame)
Magnus Anderson fruity pebbles
Wrong. His suit isn't made out of vibranium, but from Nokia 3310
Tsk tsk. That sucker needs some heavy duty damage? :P
What makes you think the 3310 isn't vibranium?
@@rinmadepie because vibranium is weaker.
@@Sater109 excactly
Nakia 3310
That shoes edit made me laugh so hard
damn true
*C O M P L E T E L Y S O U N D A B S O R B A N T*
Imagine if those shoes were the only thing he had in Black Panther 2 and slowly got his claws back, pants for sprinting, chest for armour and finally the helmet for the final fight.
Sad we won't see this though. Wasn't too big of a fan of this movie...
But overlooks the room edit? 😑
Fucking casuals
Man It Got ME Too
"oh, and then, chadwick boseman also dies"
this hasn't aged well
Well it predicted the future so there gotta be some point for that
this was made 2 years ago
@@starscream8989 that's worst
@@lancetheking7524 what?
Then you have captain marvel
oh boy you musta been pissed when you saw captain marvel, lol
thor hulk captain marvel iron man dr strange scarlett witch vision and many more are way more powerful than black panther
@@stn6408 True, but they are not invulnerable. The problem isn't just that they made black panthers armor inpenetrable, but they also made that kinetic aborbtion thing which mean, dude literally gets stronger and more leathal the more you punch him rather than getting damaged....
@@NeoBalkanacManso black panther could beat them??? I dont think he can, even with the armor he has. I mean iron man maybe but probably not, the others no way
st n Not to mention people like Thor fought even stronger villains like Hela, whilst black panther either fought humans with weapons or Killmonger, which is practically black panther with swords.
The point isn’t that Black Panther is too strong of a character compared to his allies, (aka Thor, Hulk, etc.) it’s that he has no enemy capable of really damaging him in the movies he shows up in. Thor still gets beat up, the Hulk still gets thrown around and hurt, Iron Man constantly has his armor destroyed and is injured. It isn’t a matter of being too strong, it’s a mater of being too strong compared to their established threats.
The thing I hate the most about this movie is their use of Vibranium.
Vibranium solves all problems that a closed country has like other basic resources and disease control.
How do cars fly? Vibranium
How can they control foreign cars from the other side of the world? Vibranium
How to heal a broken spine? Vibranium
How to project mountain size hologram? Vibranium
I enjoyed the movie but this is a really good point, it was kind of a lazy way to tell us about wakanda. But a good way to draw more focus towards the actual story of the movie
Triatari Ascari the answer to half those questions is that they have some of the smartest people in the world. Shuro proved she’s smarter than tony stark and Baker and she’s only like 16
Material can advance a civilization's growth massively. just look at stone age, bronze age, iron age.
Material indirectly influences the technological growth
the hype like most things was better than the actual film. I hate hype since it is not like it use to be in the 2000s.
@@skimasktheslumpgod7684 That isn't proven, just implied. Everything is linked to vibranium - so if Wakanda never had a resource that accidentally dropped in their laps, they would have been unable to exist. Wakandans have been totally isolationist (apart from warriors and spies going to the outside world). So exactly how and where was all this "super-science and super-knowledge" created? Did the vibranium whisper it into their ears? Telepathic contact with super-sciency aliens? Centuries of scientific experimentation? The movie was very vague on the particulars of this "utopia". (not trying to be a wise-ass, just pointing out some plot holes that was really necessary to have included in order to make it seem realistic in how it become what it did). Also having access to advanced technologies doesn't make you smart, it just means you've got better tools to learn on - accelerated learning is a natural byproduct of that. Being smart and having a lot of knowledge is two very different things. She froze up when she was introduced to 2 set of problems at the same time, which shows that despite what she knows, she still needs experience in how to handle certain problems, especially in situations she hasn't faced before. Her brother also nearly died, with the only solution being the Panther serum, despite her having access to the most advanced medical tools in the world (she literally cured a person with a life-threatening condition)?
You must have fainted after watching captain marvel.
Most pearl clutchers did.
Captain Marvel wasnt about her fighting for her life though, it was about her rediscovering her identity.
@@alexturlais8558 yeah, she rediscovered her identity as an overpowered boring and unlikable character.
@@reyxus9454 just like superman?
@ exactly like superman, which is why he is my least favourite hero of all time
Edit:
(I only watched the movies, i'm not talking about the comics because i have no idea about them.)
It surprises me that this movie was ranked better than the first iron man.
Politics, am I right?
It’s bc he’s a black super hero, we all know this
ignore critics, audience review says more
It doesn't surprise me. It's because enough people were still butthurt Trump won and they fell for the Leftie narrative of Black > White people and that Trump is a RaCiSt.
@@hrthrhs Keep chugging that copium my guy
"As you can tell from my voice, I'm not actually... A panther."
Hilarious
@@joeyanderson2612 Thanks!
Why are you thanking him?
@@glennben1009 He complimented my joke
@@usagibun6564 its not your joke.... you just quoted his joke for people who werent paying attention
"Guns, so primitive."
That's.... that's the joke
@@danielpayne7414 If you think that was a joke in the context it was delivered in, I don't think you've seen the movie.
@@robinthrush9672 lol alright bro
@@danielpayne7414 Except using spears isn't done as a joke in Black Panther. That's just the weapons they use. If they usually used something more technologically advanced, and for that one situation threw a spear, then obviously it's a joke. But they just use spears all the time, so even if it was intended as a joke, it comes off as played straight.
@@Winasaurus cool story dude.
I was really disappointed that Marvel went with the standard "same vs same" ending. The two characters had the exact same power set and abilities.
Yeah a tchella used his better proving he's better in combat
I rather have that than changing Killmonger's power set for variety sake though.
You mean like two humans fighting, as in a Bruce Lee movie?
@@GlennDavey He means someone having the exact some power set - a copy of the villain. Like Iron Monger in Iron Man one, or the Yellow Jacket in Ant Man. It's just not interesting to watch. Someone like Ghost in Ant Man and the Wasp is much more interesting because she has different powers from the heroes but they still manifest similarly and can interact with each other well.
@@fordsonisht7479 Iron Monger and the Mark 3 was not a copy - nothing close.
Capitan marvel has the same problem but that move has a lot more issues, at least black panther didn’t bore me to tears
didnt even watch that movie, but people basically threw that shit in the trash. Whats wrong with the movie, does it have Mary Sue issues like Rey from the sequel trilogy?
@@animeking830 Yes it does, from what I remember of the movie Carol is very overpowered and can do nothing wrong, the only thing holding her back are men who are mean to her. But the movie also has storytelling issues with pacing and general tone, like fury being the comic relief when his character was set up in multiple installments as a very serious person not to be messed with (don’t get me started on the eyepatch backstory screw up) and the very heavy handed obvious political allegories about immigrants (the aliens being the immigrants) it just comes of as not well thought out and inappropriately sided instead of a neutral depiction of a heavy topic like a good movie would. It alienates the audience, talks down to them.
But to me the worst flaw the movie had is that it was incredibly boring and had absolutely no fun superhero movie antics at all, I went to see it with some friends and we were really exited ready to give it the best possible chance and it just sucked we almost fell asleep, luckily Shazam was also showing that night and we snuck in right after. Saved our evening
@@animeking830 I didn't get Mary Sue vibes from Carol, but the whole time Carol was just an absolute unlikeable character. I don't get where they were trying to go with her character, but she seemed always to be stand-off-ish. if i remember correctly the writers useda a rather heavy hand with the feminist themes in that movie, and it shows.
"All her life they've been telling her that she can't do something because she's a "gurl"...but now she's showing them. she's the most powerful hero ever" The connections she has to other people feel absolutely artificial, even to her best friend and her condescending way of interacting with others, just makes me want to punch the screen.
As someone else already said.t he storyplot is kinda weird as well. I liked the idea with the aliens fleeing from war but they could have made it more interresting.
Who cares about captain marvel even
@@animeking830 she is the most Mary Sue ever she gets given her powers and goes through no character development and never shows emotion it is the weakest mcu movie by far even worse than Thor 2
If the character is overqualified, don't devalue them,
craft a more challenging environment to put them in.
Well, kinda true, but with the Superman dilemma, it's extremely easy to slide into the little brother argument, like "I'm invincible to anything in the world!" - "And I have bullets from another world that pierce everything!" - "And I have a psychic shield that stops all bullets from all worlds mid-air!" - "And I have the ability to turn off all psychic shields!" - "And I...", which is a huge problem for superhero plots, since they've already established the character's powers they have to invent stupid reasons why they don't work. Or the other way around, find dumber and dumber ways to make their power work in a challenging environment. It's called "plot armour" or something of the sort. It's better to create a character with no real OP superpowers, just powerful enough to compete with other characters, and always with some weaknesses. The "Superman isn't invincible to a special green glowing rock from outer space" shit isn't that impressive IMHO. And thus, basically all the showdowns between superheroes resort to that little brother argument of whose power works better and whose doesn't. To make it interesting, you really need to be creative. That's why kryptonite is stupid, because green isn't a creative colour. MARVEL has the OP problem with basically any character, with some plot devices they can defeat anyone and everyone. Like, for example, Quicksilver. He's so fast he can kill everyone before we even blink. So, to make him not OPAF, the writers have to make every villain be able to react as fast, or disable him somehow. I honestly feel like the superhero lineups of MARVEL and DC are just competitions on "who can make a cooler OP ability" that have turned into just stacking new OP shit on top of each other. Like stoneless Thanos, he's stronger than the Hulk, no one can basically hurt him, and so on. With stones that literally give him abilities to bend reality to his will, go anywhere, pull down a fucking moon, reverse time, control minds, and do whatever the Soul stone can, he's like a 6-time OP champion, so in order to beat him, Thor gets a new toy, and it somehow can push through all Anus' defences. See my point? Let's put it this way: how does Thanos with the green stone even get hit? How does Thanos with the red stone or Loki with his clone power ever get hit? Can't he calmly stand somewhere, while everyone think he's in another place and try to hit the clone? How can Spider-Man get hit physically, if he has slo-mo reflexes and literally the power to predict the future? See my point? That quickly turns into basically a pp measuring contest, and only a good writer can make it look reasonable and justified
@@mityakiselev yup, ultimately, imo the best power system is one that rewards strategy over power, so this things cant happen, since a strategy isnt always the same, and can be changed and allows for big brain moments rather than "he did the thing he wasnt suposed to do!".
@@mityakiselev even superman isn't this overpowered. His main foe has access to Kryptonite, his weakness is the mortals and his own morality (killing humans can send him into a complete emotional breakdown where he has just given up, so he's not mentally unbreakable, and the problems is that if he unleashes his fury lots of innocent people can die as well, and their death will further question himself, probably even drive him to suicide) Batman has an endgame for him and his other main foes are from his own planet who want and can kill hime relatively easily and they also easily figure out his weakness (because he wears his emotions on his face) to lure him out if he ever goes into hiding
@@Dhruv1223 Cmon, we all know what happened. Someone went like "He's literally overpowered, give him a _deus ex machina_ vulnerability, like... IDK... a special rock! Yeah, that's gonna do it!"
@@mityakiselev the fact remains that they built him up much better over the years. Superman is flawed which helps him connect.more to humans. Theyve tchalla as this flawless superhero who is riddled with flaws once he takes off a suit. Also green is not the only kryptonite there are a variety of kryptonites because kryptonite is not just one rock its basically the remaining bits of the planet where superman is from and was introduced as a plot device, but the plot wasn't "oh this mighty man has a weakness" it was the first clue into helping superman figure out where he is from, kryptonite actually began supermans journey into figuring out his past, which we all take for granted today because we all know about it. Also when someone has a weakness they say "oh its your kryptonite" not "oh its your killmonger stabbed you in the shoulder with a spear"
*Completely sound absorbent*
SecurusRG I call them CROCS
@@Chris-dy1cb And theyre *wet*
That’s impossible
@@AceDeclan not with vibrainum
One would think the very first iteration of the suit would have that ability, considering its primary attribute is absorbing all energy. No vibration, no sound. Pretty simple. Except for the fact that whatever it touches isn't made of vibranium, and will vibrate and make noise, so that scene with him making noise is proper and the one of him being muffled is just bs.
I felt very similarly about Black Panther and Wonder Woman: they're fine, enjoyable to watch but not stand out movies of the genre. Meanwhile many people seemed to be acting like they'd revolutionised the film industry and were horrified at the "snub" when they didn't win any oscars etc. But super hero movies don't really win oscars, and these aren't the best ones, so there's nothing to be surprised or offended about, right?
Also, I thought Killmonger made a better case for his philosophical positions than Black Panther did, which is problematic since Killmonger wants a race war...
It's almost like they put more thought into justifying a race war than they did into explaining what makes Black Panther heroic.
the problem with your statement is that u focused solely too hard on the part about race part... as anybody else who isnt black would normally do... but when it's a nother type of movie about the same thing, same plot about any take over nobody ever says oh its problem magic if it's an alien or robot take over, or some other type of fantasy.... prime example Ultron wanted a robot take over wit robots and he had a race war, guardians of the galaxy had to fight aliens to defend against another alien race... but because he is an african from a fictional place your only problem was a race war?? but I didnt see a race war... I didnt see blacks versus whites... I saw blacks fighting against their own kind to protect the world... kilmonger never wanted a race war. he wanted to take the metals from one place and arm his people in the places that they had no protection... he just had an aggressive vengeance about it...
@@dairoleon2682 stop insinuating the movie was trying to pump out a race war... nobody attacked anybody in race... the movie showed exactly wat it was showin... to say that this movie was setting up a race war is false... in the end ultimately there were only one type of ethnic group fighting... there were no whites killing blacks in this movie.... unless u are talking about one white guy that was a villain, there were not any messages about a race war... that's dangerous thinking for no reason... especially because this movie was created by a white artist and only directed by a black man...
@@savagekeyz408 But most of my comment isn't even talking about the race element?Plus there clearly is a race element, it was marketed that way and discussed in popular culture that way, it's not me making it about race. And for the record I would most certainly make the same criticism of a movie if there was e.g. a white guy advocating race war and I thought the movie didn't rebut his arguments very well, but this is a video about this movie, so naturally that's the one I'm going to talk about...
I also think you are wrong in the point about Age of Ultron; Ultron doesn't want a proxy race war, in the sense that he is not making arguments about robot superiority, he simply thinks humans are the cause of all their own problems and wants to 'save them' by wiping them out. But even if he was doing that, I think that movie specifically does a better job of making Ultron look like he's in the wrong so it doesn't make sense that if I criticise Black Panther I have to do the same for all other movies...
(and FYI I don't think the movie is advocating race war, Kilmonger still loses, the message is that he's wrong etc., but he just comes off cool AF, much more so than Black Panther imho, that's all I was commenting on really)
@@baconftw11 u are wrong... if Ultron was kilmonger and the roles were switched, it would still be the same plot... they both had the same agenda... yet one was a black man and the other was a in organic object ... u jus said he wanted to make the world better by wiping out people... kilmonger wanted the same thing... he wasnt targeting just one person... he wanted to target them all that caused his people to suffer... he said he wanted to even the playing field...
Or they could do the Ultraman thing (Japanese) where the hero's power has a 3 minute time limit. This could force Black Panther to use his suit more sparingly and strategically. Would raise the stakes by a lot.
this is a great idea!
That would be so much better!
Or like he-man where during his overpowered stage he can only take so much punishment before his suit collapses.
@@anafu-sankanashi8933 Does play into the whole absorb-damage thing. Heck, why not make him like armstrong in terms of focusing on where he's about to get hit so there's a sense that he COULD be caught off guard.
I love that idea but they've never had a time limit so how could they justify it in the future? Another idea would be if the suit absorbed too much energy it would self destruct. So we could see him taking peaces of it off, that would blow up releasing power, and then he would have to fight with peaces of the suit missing. Or maybe the suit would kill a normal person because viburnum is somehow toxic, but he needs his king juice to fight that off. Then he could have the iron man 2 dilemma.
sure black panthers suit could have made batmans job easier, but does it have shark replant bat-spray?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
That's a good point, Batman is more prepared than the Boy Scouts.
nananananananana
Something missed by the critic was Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne were billionaires making their own tec, Wikanda had advance tec for years. With other people designing and making the tec not just one person doing everything.
But can it run crysis?
The best fight scene in black panther has to be the ritual battle with killmonger. No suits, no powers, high stakes and a bit of emotion
Also better lighting and limited CGi... My two only gripes about the fight scenes in this movie.
Suga Daddy For Hire it wouldhv been better if we didn’t see the trailer for him in infinity war though lol. I knew he was gonna live so that fucked it up.
Really, it's the only battle from the movie I remember.
What's really messed up is that whole scene can't exist without some bullshit in-universe gerrymandering to get T'challa to even agree to put his kingdom on the line in the first place. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's part of their culture... Fine! If you like this movie that's fine. But if a movie needs to invent hard to believe crap just to inject tension into the superhero narrative, you've done something wrong to your superhero. Tension should be happening naturally. I was way more invested in the secondary characters in Black Panther.
Sadly, this CGI invulnerability seems to be infecting more and more superheroes nowadays. I don't even know why that is.
I didn’t like it it was predictable as fuck
quicksilver should have had a vibranium suit
lol
Oof
best comment of 2019
Or superspeed
Quicksilver + Hulk powers + Thor hammer + Iron Man vibranium suit + Spiderman powers + infinity gauntlet + Doctor Strange magic + all of Captain Marvel's powers = best protagonist.
"Have some kind of villain that can penetrate his armor." You mean like Klaw was supposed to be able to do? They sure killed him off quick before that could happen
I liked KillMonger’s motivation but saying he is the best, even going as far as calling him better than the joker is pushing it
Every time someone says Killmonger has "good motivation" I ask "How?" Because his motivation is just racism.
@@dylancross1039 his motivation is REVENGE dude. The point was this is what happens when supposed good people let others slip through the cracks, including slavery
They dont just say best they say best in the MCU, which i disagree with, though id say hes top 5
@@mkocel One could make the case his motivation is neither revenge nor racism: Is , in a very twisted way, Justice. Killmonger belives he is righting the wrongs caused by Wakanda´s policy of secretism which indeed include the Atlantioc Slave Trade (as to exactly WHY Wakanda in particular are to bear the responsability for the enslavement of other african tribes, sometimes even by other african tribes, is still a little weak) the catch is that his vision of Justice is neither practical nor benefetial for the Wakandans or the people he attempts to vindicate (a Global War by an African Superpower against the entire World not only cannot end in an "acceptable" wakandan victory, but would infact polarize the rest of the humanity against people of African descent)
On a more eprsonal note, I wasnt amuzed by Killmonger´s motivation because not being too on the nose with it, they cather to a certain perception of history: The notion "us" vs "them". with "Them" being all non-africans. A more noble and relatable goal would´ve make his struggle about how Wakanda´s immense welath of technological know-how and amterial resources could stop the maligned tribal conflicts and corproate predations (specially those of China) that plague Africa to this day, his father being a humanitarian worker turned Warlord as he attempted to use Wanakanda weaponry to pacify the countries that bordered Wakanda only to told to stop and subsequently killed for it leaving Eric to grow in an enviroment of brutality and violence that would shape him into Killmonger
@@miguellemir242 jesus fuck im not reading all of that. For killmonger, REVENGE AND JUSTICE ARE ONE AND THE SAME.
*Thanos:* "I got your solution right here!" _snaps fingers_
BP:I don't feel so good Shuri...
Can't be overpowered if he's dead...
Just Some Guy with a Mustache too soon bro... too soon
black panther villain was a normal human, so the comparison is valid, as he said, the next movie need a weapon that can hurt him
just wait for the unbreakable vs split to see if the beast can hurt him
"Were going to get a sequel"
well that aged like milk
Rest In Piece Chadwick Boseman :(
But if the milk was UHT
eetfuk there’s still going to be a sequel
They will find a new actor to play the role and it will be his son or long-lost cousin or just a random guy who somehow becomes the Black Panther. RIP Chadwick. :-(
what a douche.
The problem with all superhero movies is they keep stepping up the hero abilities. Now pretty much all can fly, stop bullets, not be effected by explosions, cannot be crushed, and are super strong. Except Batman. It's now impossible to take a step back and not have a hero who cannot fall 100m without so much as a sore muscle otherwise they will appear to be lame and weak compared to everything else that has come before.
Yup. Except for Batman. Yet none of the other heroes mention it.
And also, creating a great villain is equally as important as creating a great hero. Batman also has this correct
This is called power escalation and is common (and tackled in many different ways) in anime too
@@dickiewongtk Anime does a lot of dumb shit, but at least I've got 7000 dumb shits to choose from (also the old stuff some of which is great)
Okay to be fair, Batman has survived some dumb stuff, but yah, overall I agree.
“...who has a very original villainous habit to cut himself after every kill...”
Victor Zsasz: hey! That’s my thing!
Thank you, somebody said it before me.
@@willowsapphire1145 I was thinking the same thing
PEOPLE OF CULTURE
HE STOLE MY WHOLE FUCKING FLOW
@@willowsapphire1145
I'm glad I don't have to, because I was thinking:"Wait, isn't that Victor Zsaz's thing...?"
you killed me at the sound absorbent part
I had to keep watching that scene over and over lol
there's an argument to be made that the sound is made by the platform giving way slightly under his weight, and not the sound of his boots hitting it, but it was funny nonetheless
as u can tell from my voice im not actually.......
A panther
Filmento lied to us all!
I already knew that he isnt a Panzerkampfwagen V 'Panther'
im not actually white
Aha! I knew he was a melanistic leopard Instead!
Cool it with the hard R
you can say pantha
Tony also makes his suits, and he has improved overtime constantly.
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@@velikan2916 but no one said he was invincible so idk why yall keep bringing that up
@@velikan2916 "he's black superman" right because black panther could stand a chance against superman. He's not overpowered, they just didnt show his weakness..there's a difference. Also, you said "he isn't invincible" as if the guy who made the original comment said he was invincible. Thats why I said "no one said he was invincible"
@@velikan2916 Old comment now but dont forget, SUperman was supposed to be an all strong god that needs to fight with himself so he doesnt turn evil and thats it, thats why movies and comics about him focus on his mental struggles and such the problem is, Black Panther is no god, his struggle makes it meh.
Mad Airsoft boi
Superman is horrible
Killmonger is great until he puts on a suit and becomes another faceless CGI Marvel villain with the same exact power as the hero.
Jeez yeah there's nothing more lazy and uncreative than a villain who is practically an exact mirror copy of the hero
@@deepankurnayantara yea only times this worked was in Man of Steel
Why ?
@@x_swagallday3597 it did not work in man of steel. Superman can survive his neck being snapped, y would zod die from that. All the crazy shit Superman has done in movies and comics zod can do all that too. Zods death was too easy
@@madison3244 I think all that needs to be said about that movie and its writing is that a standard version of Superman kills someone.
That action figure analogy was so relatable
It really is.
Not every villain has to pose a physical threat to the heroes, sometime the villain challenges what the hero represents his ideology like the Joker
Exactly. The Joker couldn't beat Batman in a straight-up fight. So instead, he fucks with his beliefs and values. There are more ways other than physical strength to bring down a strong hero.
Dark Chocolate actually there are times when the joker did beat the batman both physically and mentally
The main problem is killmonger solves his problems with fighting and killing people so this doesn't really apply in the black panther movie
Stolen Memes Killmonger did make T'Challa realize what T'Chaka did which is killing his brother and abandoning his child/being selfish and not lending aid to other people in the world who needs it and by the end of the movie T'Challa thought opening up Wakanda to the rest of the world was a better choice instead of being selfish, so in a way, Killmonger affected BP's way of thinking.
Joker as a physical threat is highly inconsistent from interpretation to interpretation, as it seems no one has really been able to come to an agreement on what he is physically capable of. In some interpretations such as in Endgame he's actually a highly capable fighter who fights in a highly chaotic and informal, but remarkably quick manner, that is uniquely unlike those of other characters. It comes off as the fighting style of someone who has exceptionally fast reflexes and a wealth of fighting experience, but never actually received or listened to lessons on any formal techniques. I personally prefer this interpretation better as it seems consistent with his slender frame and overall chaotic nature, and gives him a stronger presence when in the same room as Batman.
Page from Endgame:
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I didn't like whole kinetic energy absorbing aspect of the suit. He was better in Civil War.
Definitely!!
I could of done wit out that but it still made the movie better
The problem was the suit being CGI. Chadwick Boseman couldn't breathe in the suit but all they had to do was just CG the mask and still have the rest of the suit be real.
I think the focus of the suit and all the tech or whatever is that Tchalla relies on others and has friends or something and that's the theme is that u need buddies rather than killmonger
@@colesteinmetz So self-reliance bad, relying on others/things good. Got it.
I'm a game developer, and I think studios should have someone with a little bit of knowledge of Game Design to balance the characters.
In a Game if you are invulnerable you take out the joy of the game... just like having a character like this one (or Captain Marvel)
if you think about it as a Video Game, for example in the case of Captain Marvel, you could fix the character by simply giving her stamina and each time she uses her powers, she gets tired, and has to rest for a while.... instead of being able to shoot lasers all she wants... that will make her actions more strategic and you know that if she uses it a lot she will be vulnerable again.
Just like Iron Man's suits, they also run out of battery.
In simple words... give the hero a challenge. A real one.
Dude Iron Man is frikkin immortal, he got stabbed by Thanos - he lives. Blown up sans suit - he lives. Oh my suit runs out of battery after I’m blown up - I’ll just get this kid to help me out. Oh and if he runs into a problem Tony has a suit for that. I mean none of these heros are ever at risk or challenged. I mean Batman travels at light speed and can fix a broken back in a prison. They even let him beat the Hulk in a fight wtf
Thas why if your character is overpowered due to its nature
You make them face against something even stronger ( like zod and his comrads in man of steel) or you make to them to race against time over something they cant controll like city being blown up ect
@@kalex504 This aged badly
@@kalex504 Yes, but the suit "does" have weaknesses. For one, unless it's custom built for a purpose, like the space suit or hulk-buster, it can only be used in certain circumstances. Stark also had to continually tweak feature sets and functionality, as well as storage options. For example, he had shield bracelets (against Loki) but the suit itself has no shielding. He can use repulsors, but only if it is powered by the ARC reactor. The ARC reactor also seems to be like a battery - it needs to be changed from time to time. He has to tweak the ARC reactor because the original was slowly killing him. There's always one issue after another, and this is the MCU's go-to technical guy we are talking about.
Captain Marvel: hold my margarita
ikr Thanos has to use the power stone just so he could do some damage to her.
@@aaronlogz there was a theatre who cheered when she got power stoned
to "hide" black panther being an OP character, marvel studios: take the suit away from him.
to hide captain karen being an OP character, marvel studios: take her out of the films
@@megumareta6361 xddd this got me
STOP STOP you mean every theater?
You comparing his over powered suit to playing with action figures was PERFECT
The point of superman-powered characters is to take away mortality risks and empower morality risks. Superman vs. Lex Luthor is the American Dream vs Capitalism, a part of the American Dream. Black Panther vs. Killmonger was isolationism/non-interference vs PanAfricanism, Black Nationalism, etc, and the responsibilities one has to others like them in the world. That was the whole point of the movie.
Can’t imagine why the most intelligent, and (what should be) obvious observations have the least amount of likes 🤔
Black Panther was awesome in Civil War, but in his own movie, he’s just kind of boring
Agreed, in Civil War he had drive and he was a fast and vicious fighter, he outshined whoever he interacted with with his cold, charismatic, determined line delivery and he didn't remove the helmet everytime he said something or just to show face for the camera because they wanted to get their money's worth for hiring Chadwick Bosemann.
In his own movie he gets shown up by his sister, his general, his ex-girlfriend and former enemy
Ultimate Hope true
Tf are y’all talkin bout? He had more character development, the best villain and story 10/10 movie y’all buggin
I agree with this. That's because they made him a side character in his own movie. The movie should've been named Wakanda. They established him as the Black Panther actually is in Civil War. THAT'S the Black Panther. No ands, ifs or buts about it. However, they then try to scale it back and give him an origin story and show him becoming the Black Panther. That was a poor move. The character became naive and much less willful than he was in Civil War, which go against his cornerstones.
@Jay Bee Why are you so butt hurt ? They look white which means you can call them "white".
That's funny. I thought same thing when i watched this movie. They had to disable the suits in the end to make battle possible, like criptonyte in superman movies. So i completly agree with you. The other reason movie didn't resonate with me that much is vibranium. Every problem they have they sovle with vibranium. That's not very good storytelling. And Wakanda is strange, like to the point of makes no sence strange. To me it was more magic than Dr. Strange movie but for some reason it was presented as Iron man movie. In the end it was average Marvel movie and the only reason it got so big is politics.
Politics? I don't understand. Can you Explain please?:(
I disagree but ok
Well vibranium is an limited resource no matter how much they have maybe they could be challenged when it goes dry
@@manueltun7935 It's an american movie that centers around people with dark skin, and many people like to promote diversity (often regardless of individual merit, see affirmative action) so it's going to be successful.
@@AndyChamberlainMusic yet there's Blade trilogy, main character is black.
Definitely good, but EXTREMELY OVERRATED.
most mcu main characters are stronger than black panther tbh
Yep
The best part was killmonger honestly, he’s the soul of the movie and shoulda had more screen time
st n Strength is not the problem, it’s invulnerability! Thor is not a problem as he can still be harmed by many attacks. Hulk is more of a problem, but he has offsetting weaknesses like being dumb and Banner being, well just a human. Tell me one enemy in all of Black Panther that actually was able to harm him in his suit. Hell, not even Killmonger could do it.
All in all Black Panther was a good movie and with the „no tech involved“ battle and the mirror battle they were able to work around this issue for most parts. But it is definitely an issue in the movie.
Captain Marvel is a bit similar, but more in line with Wonder Woman: right when the final battle starts, she becomes invincible. Not even a full hit by the Kree killteam can even harm her anymore. That is a disaster as it kills tension. Why? The movie was good before and none of her powers demand complete and utter invulnerability, so why was it necessary?
@@spectraphantom9374 I would've like more character development as a villain than *kills girlfriend* it was a pretty silly tactic to show extremism of a well intentioned person causing then to be a villain.
I couldn't get over the chase scene, where BP dodges several shots from Klaw, causing collateral damage due to those dodges... and then gets shot point blank and nothing happens
Yeah, what the point of dogding then?
If they said that he could still feel some pain from the shots, then it would make a little sense.
but when captain America gets shot at wit a tiny shield nothing happens but because the black pathers whole entire suite is made of the same material yall want hit to get hurt??? how does that make any sense to yall???
@@savagekeyz408 you do have a point. But i think it got something to do with the illusion of a risk or a threat. We all now superheroes aren't supposed to lose, but if there isn't the feeling that they can't lose, then the story is going to be pretty boring.
Take the first iron man movie, in the most of the movie iron man is pretty much invulnerable, but when it comes to the final batte, he is fighting with a timer. We know he can beat inronmonger, but we don't know if he can beat him just in time.
And just to defend Captain America, the shield is small and America himself not bullet proof, so if the story wants it, he can still be dealt with, take winter soldier and the elevator fight, we know he will win, but we feel there is a risk.
If black panther only had one suit, so he had to fight without it, then there would be a feeling of a risk of him losing.
@@savagekeyz408 I think the op has fair criticism, putting Captain America in the logic isn't gonna work since he is still vulnerable with or without the shield. He still struggles even with 1v1 combat with Bucky or Iron Man. He can be punched, he can get drained, he can get wounds, he can get bruises, he can bleeds even while having the shield. We saw him in his 1v1 with Iron Man. He is still vulnerable even with the shield.
@@airwaters black panther is still vulnerable too... he just hasnt met his equal...they both struggled with thanos... and there are still plenty marvels in universe... the problem now is we will never see him do another movie... it's been rewritten...
RIP Chadwick Boseman. Great actor and a beautiful personality.
His acting in "21 bridges" was pretty good
How would you know his personality?
He was a shit actor.
Dixie Normus he's an awesome character
@@dixienormus6941 and you have a shit personality
Killmonger being Marvel's best villian is hilariously delusional.
Second only to Thanos
He was fighting for "equal rights" or something. He wasn't good in that he was a well developed, complex character, he was good in that he was politically correct. That's not a "good" character, that's a popular character. Yeah, I'd still rank him pretty high, but personally I'd say Thanos, Loki, and even Vulture were better written and more relatable.
Caleb Hawk no he wasn’t fighting for equal rights maybe he believed he was but he wasn’t in slightest fighting for equal rights. For all intents and purposes it’s a revenge tale , a world building tale, with bits of history sprinkled throughout. Me personality I think Killmonger is Definitely one of Marvel’s best Villians
His "plan" was hilariously awful too, give a bunch of extremely advanced weaponry to some randos all over the world just because they had the same color of skin and just kinda hope they do what he wanted them to. "Kill whitey" isn't exactly equal rights either...you're just going from one extreme to another which isn't really fixing anything.
hairypancake yup bp tried to tell him but he didn’t listen and got shanked lol but seriously all he wanted to do was watch the world burn he made a sport out of killing people, and killed his partner when she was getting used and a body shield. How he tried to go about his “revolution” wasn’t that bad, as he was trained by the CIA, who in the real world train and turn civilians into rebels to over throw governments, destabilize areas and install poppets gov’t Which Was his Attempt
Black panther still loses to thanos
Big facts 🙌
Everybody lost to thanos.... duh😐😐 
HunterWD:TheGamingRoom So the fact that he survived and came back and killed him doesn’t mean anything???
@@andusz5518 yeah, for example, like in hishe he could've used that car disabling ball thing. And that device is pretty much ex machina, it saved the agents life too
As would Superman
My main thought here is that the stakes of the movie never were really about T'Challa's life. They were about Wakanda and its future, and what would happen if its technology was made available to the world. Whether tradition and isolation are still important in a modern world. It was a battle of ideologies, not of people.
I'm surprised we were the only people who realised this
Exactly!
True but kinda similar to Superman if its not written well enough and the Villain can't even hurt him odds are the movie would feel that it has little to no stakes, I mean at least with Supermans case his family and friends are just regular people as opposed to Black Panther where they are not only royalty but one is the smartest person in the world and the other is a tough agent of his country.
Not saying Black Panther is a bad movie its ok and culturally significant but its still a problem for the film, its kinda impressive how the film was never derailed because of it as some other movies did notably Star Wars sequel trilogy.
This is correct but ultimately this issue is resolved with combat, which is a weird message about clashing ideologies.
@@Lilith_Harbinger Ideologies clash violently in real life plenty, don't they?
"completely sound-absorbent" - That scene made my day!
Being able to hurt the hero isn't the only way to get stakes. There are plenty of other ways to generate tension, relying only on the hero's vulnerability can be pretty lazy and repetitive storytelling.
I'd also argue that the problem with the Black Panther suit is not that he's more invincible than Iron Man, it's that its limitations are not made anywhere near clear enough.
Black Panther's suit can only handle so much energy before exploding off of him.
Sand Man the sister took that weakest out of the suit
he's not weaker than CA, but still he has lots of limitations, like: he can't fly, he can't travel faster than a car for too long, he can't stop a train that's out of control, he can't prevent a building from falling.
they just had to put him against a villain that could fly, an armed invasion, juggernaut, etc.
wtf lmao Bp without the suit would still destroy captain america
HunterWD:TheGamingRoom he’s not weaker than cap , cap , Bucky , and black panther all about the same strength .
Glad we're admitting the movie wasn't the "Best movie of all time" now, but I don't think the solution for making higher or better stakes and tension is with his giving Black Panther something that makes his invincibility moot. They do the same in Luke Cage and Superman and it doesn't really make the story more interesting or compelling.
The stakes in the movie we're mostly "Can he beat (insert opponent)?", but if the forces of antagonism targeted his flaws as a character, his family/friends, his standing as King, or his morality more that could solve the problem with tension or stakes and make a better movie. He's invincible, but he's not invulnerable.
Luke Cage was literally only compelling when something could damage him or when someone close to him was in danger. Or would you have preferred it if he literally walked through conflicts like he did throughout the rest of the series?
Lol. Antagonists that target his flaws as a character, family, friends, standing as a King, and morality? You mean like.... say.... antagonists who cause him to interrupt his love interest's special mission and inadvertently put her in danger because being royalty has made him selfish and bull-headed to the point where said love interest has a conversation where she explicitly says he needs to change? Or.... maybe... an antagonist who causes an internal conflict on how Wakanda should be ruled which divides his nation between those who support him and those who oppose? Or.... say.... an antagonist whose actions make him rethink everything he knows about both his father and his kingship? Or.... even.... an antagonist literally challenging his throne, and T'Challa bypassing both cultural ritual and conventional wisdom by rushing to accept the challenge? Just imagine all those stakes we could have had if only the movie was better. Just imagine.
Well said! And exactly the reason Lex Luthor is Superman's greatest nemesis.
And how, despite being almost invincible for most of The Dark Knight, Nolan found more ways than one to use the Joker against Batman, being every way you listed.
This...this is the hero's story at it's peak. Making it about how you can do more than just survive, but also save others.
Jonny Lupus Zod has a similar effect, posing the question to if Superman should put away the only other person of his species. It makes him choose over the world he was raised vs the world he was born.
@@deactivated4047 Not really much of a choice, since he knew nothing about the world he was born in and what he did know what the world he was raised in. No real choice there - he was always going to choose Earth.
I agree. A vulnerable superhero deserves the title of being a superhero more than someone who has an invincible suit
No, a superhero's a superhero. A vulnerable one just has more exciting fight scenes.
Interesting that most of the comments seem to support your position, but the dislike ratio is really high.
A bunch of people probably mad that he isn't calling it the best movie ever, but also can't dispute any of his points because they are all correct. Like how as soon as it came out you were called racist for disliking it, even if your reasons were valid.
@@Winasaurus Valid? You mean how there was almost nothing redeeming about it? The civilization are a bunch of fucking assholes. They have it all, and live in the most impoverished continent and won't share. Power is handed down by fist fighting?! These people were the worst. I wanted that whole cast to die. I felt nothing for them. At least the villain had good motivation to be a prick.
It's the whole "not listening to the voice of reason" thing where your opinion, no matter how adequately phrased, will get h8 if it's not the *right* opinion. Here, the right opinion is that "Black Panther" is the best movie ever made, it's absolutely perfect and has no flaws whatsoever. If you say anything against it, it automatically makes you racist and your arguments invalid
@Agent wooooooosh
Those dislikes are just from him pointing out that Black Panther's shoes aren't silent.
"...but then again, it wasn't really *for me* I guess." This sums up my feelings on Black Panther, as well. To me it was just a decent flick...but then again, it wasn't made *for me,* so a lot of what makes it special is completely lost on me...for I, too, am also not a Panther!
UmbreonMessiah I don’t understand why people feel it wasn’t for them. If you are a marvel fan than its for you. People act like this movie was dominated by Racial talking points.
Let’s be honest...
Did the majority Black cast in a major film dissuade you?
Did the social media cultural hype turn you off?
It was an origin action movie... not the greatest action scenes, but it was meant to set a foundation and continue the MCU into Infinity War.
White people can be fans of Black panther too, and still also be disappointed with the film.
Part of what I struggled with was just a lack of context. I'm a white, non american, and when we hear about Killmonger's history, and what happened to him, hearing that he grew up in Oakland or whatever doesn't mean anything to me. I don't have an understanding of how awful or not awful this particular place is. All I see is a kid pissed off that his dad was killed, and that he was kept out of wakanda. And I could understand his rage at the people of wakanda, but that doesn't explain to me his hatred of western civilisation, which is what it seems like he's really focused on. Revenge on wakanda is an afterthought to him, what matters in his mind is destroying america, and the rest of the western world. And I don't have the context on how those things would be related.
I watched the wire recently, which funnily enough also stars Michael B. jordan, and in watching that I think it helped me to fill in the blanks and get an idea of what sort of environment he's supposed to have grown up in. But that's not made clear in the film, and unless you're aware of the context, killmonger's motivation just makes no sense whatsoever. Even then it feels like a stretch, but at least I have some clue what they were going for. Ultimately, if Killmonger had been focused more on destroying Wakanda, or his backstory had focused more on the evils done to him and others by white Americans, I would have gotten his character far more. In the film, we only see the bad things that happen to him done by the previous black panther. He kills his father, and abandons him. That's the conflict that's set up in the movie it's self, and it's just not focused on.
Other then that, his lines and direction just felt off at times. Micheal is a great actor, and I've loved him in plenty of other works, so I absolutely blame the director, not him. Just felt off. Black panther seems like a film with an identity crisis, torn between africa and america. And whilst that's likely pretty indicative of the real experiences of African Americans, it also makes the film feel disjointed and messy to me.
It was made for people who like/enjoy superhero and action movies.
Panthers were not in mind...
@@fish7598 Everything you said made the feel messy and disjointed is the point though. An aspect of killmonger's identity in the film is his identity crisis. He's the son of African royalty that grew up in the ghetto around endless crime and poverty. Losing his father, and finding out about his true identity, but abandoned and left behind is his character. The movie establishes that. He may not have grown up in Wakanda but his father told him stories about it, left his journal about Wakanda, and taught him the language. He's connected and disconnected from he's father's homeland. He resents all those things, being left behind, growing in place that doesn't feel like home (the US), Wakanda for not helping black ppl outside of Wakanda, etc,etc.
Emotional stakes and vulnerability isn't necessarily the same thing though.
The reason I believe black panther is one of the strongest films in the mcu is because killmonger did what no other villain in the mcu did, he changed the hero. In every other mcu film the villain has an evil point of view and the hero's just need to overcome something internally. With BP t'challa has to deal with a villain that is in many ways correct and by the end of the film changes his views to become more inline with the villain and no mcu has done that since.
Definitely agree. Also how he realized he was right and Tchalla screwed up. Also a good focus on the tech bc it shows how Tchalla needs and relies on his friends
but he wasn't right. He wanted to kill everyone and take over everything, even mentioned children once
@@cuddlecakes7153 no not true. He wanted a change of power because if the injustices done to black people. He mentions children when he wishes he could know there was a place like wakanda where his people could live better
"No other villain in the MCU..."
Bruh... first mcu film, villain changes hero. I am Iron Man.
Foiled on the first chronological example.
I’m glad to know I am not the only one who noticed the “sound absorbent” suit plothole
i can't believe people are this stupid he wasn't wearing the sound absorbing shoes, his sister only suggested wearing them, it wasn't part of the suit it was its own thing and it looks completely different from the suit's actual shoes
@@bignoob5838 exactly... Even the design/style wasn't even the same.
@@bignoob5838 also.....its not a plothole!! How does his shoes making sound when it shouldn't in that scene affect the plot????
@@kd190223 a plothole can have no bearing on the story structure
Big NOOB thank you
This bothered me- why did he even need powers with a suit like that? They should have made vibranium rarer and harder to work with so that he had claws and a few gadgets for emergencies, but he had to dodge bullets with his super reflexes. That would have been so cool.
Christopher Shafer yeah
Well its a legacy and tradition that has been going on for decades. And if they have the ability to give their king/black panther powers that can work whether or not he's in the suit than I would think that would be advantageous for them in case he was unable to get to his suit in time. I'm also assuming that the suits in the early days were quite inferior to the ones that T'Challa wears now. And again, it seems to be a tradition and Wakanda is a heavily traditional and proud country.
That's certainly logical but it doesn't fix how conspicuous it is when they take it away just so the audience can feel some tension. The in-universe explanation is not my point of contention.
I think what the powers he had did was he could jump really high and take the weight of the suit and hit harder like Captain America and shit like that. All the suit did was make him indestructible and pack a harder punch. I think it adds a little more to his character, like Tony Stark is smart and has a suit, T'challa has super strength and a suit.
The Heart Shaped Herb is basically a naturally occurring Super Soldier Serum. That's why it was so effective in Civil War for him to constantly be fighting Bucky and Cap. They were all the same caliber with similar advantages. T'Challa has Vibranium armor, Cap a vibranium shield, and Bucky has a cybernetic arm. Black Panther has always had the Vibranium suit in the comics. To take it away would be tantamount to taking away Batman's cape, cowl, and utility belt. He's not Quicksilver (any version) or Flash where he's fast enough to casually dodge gunfire. He's a peak human not a pure superhuman.
And bullet dodging is even more overpowered.
Surprisingly unfaithful to my favourite Black Panther runs. Civil War was a better representation of the character to me than his own movie. Oh well, maybe he will grow into his more traditional comic book character
Evan Railman definitely agree with you there. He was way more faithful to the comics in civil war, even the suit was better. Hopefully they do a better job in his future movie like how ragnarok revived Thor
Let's not sugar coat it. They made this movie to appeal to black people. They made Black Panther act like a black guy from the hood who got his record deal, instead of the super genius african king he is supposed to be, to be more relateable to the average black guy in America.
@@KurNorock let's not sugar coat it, you're just racist and looking for people to vibe with whom also hold racist beliefs. the movie was very clearly made for black people and they made this very clear.
@@thejinx6834 and what exactly did I say that's racist?
Is it just the fact that in a white guy and I talked about black people at all, or do you actually take issue with something I actually said?
Go ahead, tell me how I'm racist. I'll wait.
@@KurNorock i don't need to explain it, it's as plain as day if you can't see whats wrong with what you just said there's no point in explaining it, the videos you liked recently only confirmed my suspicions. You're beyond rationale.
The only reason black panther was so highly praised is because no movie critic wanted to be called racist if he/she dared say it wasn’t the greatest movie of all time.
@@drewcarpenter7047 you’re a leftist r ??
but wait, the artist who drew him and actually created him was actually white... the director and the cast were black but the owner of the company is white so how would that be racist if we dont own the rights to a fictional black character??? u thought racist
@@drewcarpenter7047 thank you for proving my point that anyone who criticizes it gets called a white supremacist 😂😂😂
NO
I having a feeling the people who disliked this video didn't actually watch it and just presumed from the thumbnail that Filmento's genuine and well thought-out criticisms is just him being racist
Or maybe people actually disliked the video because the so called "well thought-out criticism" is based on wrong assumptions. He judges the ideas and motivations of people from a culture he clearly does not understand. He makes wrongful statements about key scenes because he misinterprets them. I usually like Filmento's videos (he's gotten better throughout the years), but this one in particular shows bias, ignorance and misinformation. No one's calling anyone racist, but not understanding this film's motivations shows a close mind and a strong detachment from certain cultures and the past and present struggles of some people around the world.
@@DaAcoustikChicken Okay, so what are his wrong assumptions? You're making claims without providing evidence
@@HowdyItLovll 1. He first mentions the villain, and how it "didn't click with him, personally", which says absolutely nothing about the film or the character's motivations and development, only about Filmento's detachment from the situations presented, which is a fair statement, not everyone will relate, but doesn't really put down the movie or the character himself in any way. You can present a case on which Marvel villain is actually the best, but there must be a reason why so many people like Killmonger so much, so saying "he's not a good villain because I don't relate" doesn't really mean anything.
2. Stakes. This video spends most of it's time obsessing over Black Panther's vibranium suit. Talking about how it lacks tensions because Black Panther is never in any real danger, but it's such a close minded view. This movie is not about the suit, and the villains' motive is not specifically killing Black Panther, they are beyond that. I never felt Black Panther was ever in danger, but the tensions was there, the stakes felt real. Internal struggles on how to lead Wakanda and manage it's resources, ideological tension between characters that ultimately cause a civil war, opposing views on what justice looks like, I could go on. Black Panther was invincible and yet was ultimately defeated: not only was he bested in combat by Killmonger, but he actually changed his position on how to best lead Wakanda after learning Killmonger's story. The movie has more layers than Filmento gives it credit for, and Black Panther's vulnerability go beyond face value.
He uses Batman as an opposing example, yet the scenes that were presented in the video weren't that strong to being with. The best part of Dark Knight is NOT when he gets shot by Harvey. Heck, I didn't even remember that part. Not once did I think anyone would kill Batman, because that's not what the movie was about. Yes, he's human and can technically die from a gunshot, but I don't think anyone ever thought "oh no, Batman could die from a gun wound at anytime during this movie". The idea that Black Panther is lackluster because he's invincible holds even less ground when you actually think about the fact that most superheroes in superhero movies ARE invincible. Not because of their powers or their suits, but just because the story never allows it. Before Infinity War, the heroes are always assumed to win, so in the audience's mind, they're never in any real danger anyways. The stakes are in their friends, family, the people they try to protect, the ideas they want to represent, etc. So to judge Black Panther solely on his vulnerability, or lack thereof, is not only to judge it on different standards than any other superhero movie, but to misinterpret what the movie is actually about.
3.Emotional and cultural investment: The following condescending lines from the video also support the idea that his criticism of the movie isn't him having a problem with the movie itself, but rather simply being disconected from the themes and characters presented in the movie: "When the Iron Man armor is gone, we will still have Tony Stark being Tony Stark, but without the Panther suit, all that's seem to remain... isn't anything too special" "To be fair, Black Panther isn't completely devoid of emotional stakes" "everyone can only watch in extreme sadness, and me, I mainly have a couple of different things going through my mind (...) who exactly is this guy again?". They could very well be honest opinions and reactions to the movie, but in the video they are presented without much evidence to back it up, and comes off as simple disinterest and nothing more. He doesn't explain why he finds Tony Stark interesting but not T'Challa. He doesn't explain what scene (or lack thereof) or what cinematography decision made him not care about Zuri. He doesn't explain why he doesn't care at all, he just says he doesn't care. Talk about telling and not showing.
You can have your opinions about movies, you can like and not like whatever you want. It doesn't make anyone racist or not racist. There are many good videos in FIlmento's channel where he studies in-depth many issues in many movies, but that's not the case here. I don't think it's a perfect movie. I thought the 3rd act was weaker than the rest of the movie, and the cgi was subpar compared to the impressive visual effects of other Marvel movies. There can be objective criticism pointing out actual flaws of this movie, and I'll gladly listen. However, this video is nothing more than FIlmento saying "I don't like it, can't relate".
I usually hate long replies, but you asked, so here it is.
@@DaAcoustikChicken sorry but I'm gonna have to agree with Filmento on this one
Eh I disagree with needing to nerf Black Panther's suit. The superman dilemma only is a problem with bad writers. If you need to make the story work by having the bad guys just be bigger and stronger (or nerf the hero), then the story was always weak.
What they can do is delve into the internal politics of Wakanda which is supposedly an advanced civilization but still has a regressive monarchy, and Tchalla realizing that a guy in a suit punching people can't solve problems like these.
how to fix him (make the character have personality make him atc like a king like he did in ciilwar)
+Devil C Wesker the reason why he worked in civil war was because he abandoned his responsibilities to get revenge for his fathers death. His character had a flaw and an arc.
UltraVioletKnight Regressive is a small word to be throwing around. Do have data to back up that claim? or are you just relying on ‘your gut’?
Well it's clear that Wakanda despite it's success is still a heavily xenophobic country with an authoritarian government chosen in the worst way possible (trial by combat), so anyone who is strong enough can become king even if they'd make a terrible one.
Theoretically a 'benevolent dictatorship' is the best form of government you could have (whether that dictatorship comes in the form of semi-hereditary monarchy or not is moot)... Of course the problem in practice is finding an endless succession of leaders who are actually benevolent. But then, we seem to have more than a little difficulty doing that in our liberal democracies as well... especially recently.
So I don't think that Wakanda's monarchy is the issue you are claiming it is. It is apparently providing Wakanda's people with good government, and that's all that really matters.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISM basically the only hero to be straight up beat in his 1st own film and needed help to beat killmonger (which is accurate in the comics)
Maybe you should look closer at the film
Exactly
Are you kidding?
Spiderman homecoming - Spidey gets his ass kicked several times by Vulture & friends before finally winning.
Thor 1 - kicked out of Asguard, lost his hammer and almost died before becoming 'worthy' and winning.
Iron Man 1 - Tony was betrayed, captured and enslaved the whole first half of the movie.
Dr Strange - Ruins his career and almost dies before mounting a magical come back.
The point is, the whole plot of knocking a protagonist down a peg so they have something to reflect, overcome and grow on is pretty standard. Black Panther is not unique for this, neither were the other movies I mentioned.
TheOnismithcreations I think they meant they were defeated when there status and power has already been shown and established
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Spiderman - dominated in Civil war before being knocked down a peg in Homecoming.
Thor 1 - opened with him dominating his enemies before being knocked down a peg.
Thor 3 - Thor gets this hammer broke and ass kicked by his sister the whole movie, hell he's not even the one who defeats her in the end.
Dr Strange - was a world renowned surgeon before he got in his accident.
Iron Man 2 - Tony had his armor destroyed and ass kicked loosing people's faith in him.
Let's also not forget Black Panther was not his first movie, half of Civil war was about him as well. BP was basically a sequel and a Hero falling to lows then 'reclaiming their previous glory' is even more common in sequels.
Not saying BP is a bad movie for this, just not anything special in this regard.
You totally forget that Thanos' sword destroyed caps shield, which was made from the same material
The point is that nothing was a threat to him in this movie other than another suit
@@asianpersuasion4901 That's the point. This youtube video contradicts itself. According to the maker, you need a villain with weapons that can penetrate the hero's suit. And Marvel did that(Vibranium isn't invisible). The movie wasn't perfect but I think this review scored 0/3. Like he said "the movie wasn't made for him" and for that, I guess he wasn't paying attention. Talking about guns and spears Not @AsianPersuasion. Those spears weren't primitive spears, please watch the video😂. I understand people disliked Black Panther even when they have not seen it. Cheers@filmento
Thanos was not a character in the Black Panther movie. He's addressing the film as a standalone work, which is what you're supposed to do when critiquing pieces.
Actually Claw is supposed to be a threat to black panther in the movie,
His weapon is supposed to be based on vibranium mining tool, which means it can inflict direct damage on anyone wearing a vibranium suit.
But Claw got pushed aside to put Killmonger in the main villain role.
I wonder if leaving Claw as main villain is too much a metaphor of colonialism times (claw steal and harms african natives)
But that would make Killmonger vs black panther...black on black violence
@@eisenklad wow that really made me think
Usual Marvel fan discussion:
vibranium is stronger!
No adamantium is!
No, it's obviously Uru!
Suit out of molten Nokia: let me introduce myself.
It is bold of you to assume that one can melt nokia
We all know that "nokia suit" isn't made of molten nokias, but of normal nokias taped to each other... that's where the famous phrase "go for the tape" comes from...
@@tindroyes Oh, my bad.
Your wrong on all accounts....The CORRECT answer is......(Drum ROLLLLLLLL!!!!!)
UNOBTAINIUM......😏😛
(Shout out to AVATAR!!! LOLZ)
The biggest flaw of nokia suit is its biggest strength, it cant be destroyed so its imposible to be pierced trough, but that also makes it impossible to make a fully covered nokia suit wich means you can aim a bullet right trough the holes in between nokias and you win.
5:50
Me: "My guys lay an ambush for you!"
Older Brother: "But they see the ambush and murder your guys with two machine guns and these laser blasters."
Me: :(
_"I never freeze"_
*-T'Challa (King of Wakanda)*
Wakanda: *we r so advanced*
Also wakanda: *fights to death with spears*
u must of forgot they had air crafts tho.. and a city made of unbreakable metal...
@@savagekeyz408 they still use spears. Vibranium guns? Nah, we can just throw our spears for ranged attacks
@@savagekeyz408 bruh. They can have anything they want but if they still fight with spears and cape shields, they’re dumb. Why not make something advanced like Yandu’s arrow, or guns with special ammo like they had in the Luke cage shows, anything actually sophisticated. Anything they say in that movie feels stupid when they still use spears.
@@Gekayshaman that's ignorant... specially since they are using advance technology and mixed it with traditional aesthetics. tisk if u realize this but they were using real traditional cultures from most of the authentic tribes all over africa to make this movie feel more real and modern... not just a scifi space movie like what yondu was in... if u are upset that africans still used spears and shields then that's a personal issue of not knowing the culture...
@@savagekeyz408 LOL ur calling him ignorant? Wakanda is supposed to be the most advanced society in the world but still charges their enemies with spears. Who cares if its 'culturally accurate', charging you enemy with spears in the 21st century is not advanced at all.
im black and it still legit was just another superhero movie but the clothing department was really good
GHETTO ARMY Is it weird that the only thing I liked about it was T'Challa himself? I so hated how his sister had to solve almost everything for him.
Dude, are you sure yr BLACK? Or are you a WHITE dude pretending to be BLACK? If yr really a BLK dude I strongly suggest HOOKED ON PHONECS.😟
@@kjk7611 Damn you're a bigot
KJ k race has nothing to do with liking the movie I’m black I like it some black people don’t everyone has their own opinion
literally just a really good movie a good superhero movie tbh tho i was looking for a comment that questioned whether i was black just shows this movie has attracted some of the most toxic people
Eh, I'm not really buying the Superman thing with T'Challa. I understand what you're getting at, but the suit isn't invulnerable. What you recommend they do is typically the arc that heroes go through as well, the first villain they fight has some kind of mirror quality, and the second villain they fight is typically a direct counter to force them out of their comfort zone (which is why I was so sad when Klaw died). Explosions, sonics, etc can damage the suit, and that will most likely be driven home in the sequel, as the world learns about Vibranium, counters will be devised.
Sooo.... what, in the movies, has been shown to be able to damage the suit? Nothing, other than anti BP devices.
Thank god you're not a director
Frankly Klaw's death doesn't necessarily guarantee he won't be back. Especially with a full body transformation which would make him a being of sound. Don't know how they'd pull it off though.
"explosions can damage the suit"
Well, maybe big explosions, bigger than tanking a fucking grenade point blank I mean (literally this movie).
I agree with you about Killmonger. This character probably wasn't written to be invested enough in his own revenge saga. Killmonger never felt like a proper threat, because most of what supposedly made him 'formidable' was explained away by other characters as expository dialogues. We never actually got to see his pre-movie journey from a small orphan to whatever Everett Ross later describes him to be. Also for a cold, calculative government-destabilizing, elite-forces veteran, the character surprisingly behaved far more like an angry jacked-up teenager throwing hissy fits and trying too hard to fit in with the cool crowd. Hence the threat felt entirely manufactured, and not organic as the story wanted the viewers to believe.
Yep. Killmonger's flashbacks needed a War Sequence of him undergoing Batman-ish training, causing Rambo-like war casualties and James Bond-like spy missions and tech.
I believe his “angry jacked up teenager” personality was intended to be that if someone who grew up around the streets and in the hood but eventually left that environment for something else, evident by the middle ground he stays in between proper speech and AAVE. And personally I got more into the character because that personality felt somewhat authentic.
I didn't particularly enjoy Black Panther the movie but I absolutely loved the character and VERY much miss Mr. Boseman the person\actor. Besides Black Panther the movie he moved me in the Avengers... Truly, I miss him and all that could have been.
You can't imagine how triggered I was after hearing the sound of the Sneakers when he ran up the spiral sitting in the Cinema.
And I'm so happy you brought it up. Since untill now I knew noone who noticed it.
Jonas Hillert have you ever tried to step slowly on a creaky step or area of a floor? The landing of your foot isn't causing the noise, the give of the material beneath is. Maybe that's what hat happened there? I mean that's all one can hope for with that scene.
Also, From what I can see, the shoes she gives him looks different to the one integrated into his suit. It could be that it's a completely different shoe and that she didn't add it to the suit or just an editing error. Also, Dominique does have a good point too
if that bothers you, you should get yourself checked
I noticed.
I don't know if you noticed but they didn't remove the echo from the shoe sound in the scene it's introduced in either. You can here a much quieter "clack"
I was sure that Black Panther would have an "Iron Man 3" moment, where he discovers that he is the Black Panther even without the suit or the magic grape juice. But, unfortunately, no, he doesn't. He almost dies, then gets the magic soup and overpowered suit back and basically has zero character arc.
''A villain with weapons that can damage him...''
(SHOWS KING CONDIMENT)
Along with the amazing ability you have to critically analyze and comment on films, you're also able to do it in such a comedic and smart way. Please don't ever stop making content like this, it's golden!!!
We’re not gonna even mention the plot holes and inconsistency in this movie plus I don’t think t’challa has an actual character ark like his character was stagnant through most of the movie until the end. I came into the movie hyped as hell but I came out dissapointed I think civil war did his character better .
Francisco Novas But to say this movie isn’t flawless is racist
Plus Luke cage season 1 did a better job at telling the type of story black panther tried to do
I hear a lot of people who didn't like the movie say this but literally no one who did like it make that claim. If you didn't like it cool dude, people are allowed to not like movies.
Kevin House its a good meme for the internet but I’ve never actually heard a real person use that line of reasoning. If you scroll trough the comments you’ll see people who disagree with op’s assessment voice a number of reasons why. On the other hand you see a lot of people who agree saying “shhhhh they will call you racist if you didn’t like it.”
It’s a pretty reductive argument and not one that I feel well reflects the reality. If you have seen the movie you are entitled to an opinion on it.
I think the main issue comes with the fact that it was very politically motivated. Sure, it's an action movie, but the main hype behind it is the ethnic culture, diversity, and political correctness. And there's nothing wrong with that. The issue is that a lot of people dislike the politics in it, so since the politics are mainly racial, to a lot of people, saying you dislike the politics is saying you dislike the diversity, and you're racist.
I know at least I've been called racist for not liking it. There's not a lot of people who say that, but it's definitely enough to be mentioned.
Killmonger is the best villain in the mcu
Thanos : "hold my beer"
More like "Hold my stones"
@@tarnishedpose I didn't know Thanos liked to get stoned
Thanos is the best MCU villain.
Quentin Beck: Hold my Drones
Killmonger: 'You're not gonna believe how I explained away my goosebumps...'
Hell Loki is 6 times the villain killmonger is
Thank you, I thought I was the only one who found Killmonger's lines and delivery so dull and monotonous
He has exactly one tone of voice, it's not quite a full on yell but above normal speaking volume.
@@hairypancake I don't know why but it just doesn't sound natural, and we're talking about a movie where 90% of the actors don't use their natural accents
Well...if you don't like his line or scripts- "BURN-IT-ALL!!!"😊
Go to down town Oakland. Listen to how they talk. HE NAILED IT.
TBH, most everyone's delivery was dull and monotonous.
The power of the suit are the same as in the comics. The fact that is absorbed damage is not invented for the movies, it already was a feature in the comics
Although Killmonger is definitely a refreshing villain from all the generic MCU villains we've been getting, I agree he didn't deliver well.
Marvel Villains: Close but not quite there...
Edit: Misspelled Villains.
Killmonger should've chilled out a bit and be kept alive, learned from his mistakes, learn from loss.
Killmonger at best had 2.2 dimensions. The biggest problem with Marvel is their villain introductions; only second by their choice of villain. Old marvel had it right with both Green Goblin and Dr. Doom (not perfect but right)... Then the reboots came.
@Luis Gomes
I never said Vulture was a generic villain.
and killmonger wasnt no tommy wiseau
Black Panther is what Superman would be if someone in real life could achieve absolute - but MEASURABLE, AUTHENTIC - power on every single level.
Absolute physicall prowess, absolute intelligence, absolute technology development, and absolute governing status (what can be more empowering than being the sole ruler of the most advanced nation that ever existed?).
Tanehisi Coates's run in the Black Panther title mirrors this perfectly because it truly puts you in TChalla's shoes. The line between firm leadership and fierce dictatorship is scaringly thin.
His status as undisputed king makes him suffer in ways that not even his Vibranium-laced suit can prevent.
The weight of all the Wakandan lives on his shoulders. The series of existencial risks he runs through his head at all times. Should he keep Wakanda isolated? Or go global?
Every single thing he does brings a macro-existential risk.
Not even Superman has that weight. His dillemma is on a different level. It is on a more profound basis. One of principle.
His decisions are on the "global life preservation" side. Not on the geopolitical, "nation maintenance" side.
In truth, he can't even make such decisions - that's a running theme in his stories. With all his power, he can't defeat dictators or interfere with the national sovereignty of each Country. Each time he does it, he is considered a risk.
They both are different sides of "the Superman" concept.
Superman has the weight of humanity on his shoulders, Black Panther doesn't, it can even be argued that Superman has the weight of the universe on his hand as he's had to save it several times
I think the script writers and director didn't emphasise that at all, but they did emphasise the 'invincibility' of black panther. Marvel/disney are sticking to the same style of writing, that the so called stories are so predictable. I didn't even get any emotional response from watching Endgame, that I can't even remember a scene from it
"Without the suit he is not black panther"
"I am Prince tchalla!"
Without the suit he is still a master of multiple martial arts styles including one he created....also the 8th smartest person in the entire marvel universe and expert tactician.....
@@stephanhall9615 not in the movie he isn't
Stephan Hall Is that what great tacticians do in Infinity War? Charge the enemy head on while they charge as well? Instead of building defenses after defenses to stop them.
The thing is that Black Panther is like the “organic” version of Cap. I know the Vibranium suit makes sense with the setting, but it really does take away the vulnerability that Captain America has, because you can still separate the man from the shield.
But deadppol or wolverine isn't overpowered according to you?
Ernest Addams Yes and I do have a problem with that. But I think you can take Wolverine off that list, since they did kill him in the end.
Francisco cantu then that proves the point that all can die if given the right circumstance or mcguffin. Black panthers suit is not invincible I'm sure the next baddie will have some sort of disrupter much like in the train attached to his suit. The real issue with black panther is the motivations. Why is the king the protector. He has an army and protectors every movie would almost basically have to be someone overthrowing the kingdom for any real tension. You would think the king would turn that suit over to a family member or most important guard. No kingdom would allow a king to fight. That makes no sense. That's the issue. The suit is not.
Francisco cantu btw did you see infinity war? I'll take iron mans magic suit over black panthers any day. I'll even take ant mans. And infinity war his suit breaks and reforms several times creates shields and anything else. It fixes holes and heals him. He's practically fighting a god. This video is either very ill informed or vey bias try again.
List of avengers who could easily kill black panther
Thor
Hulk
Dr. Strange
Wong
Iron man
Vision
Scarlet witch
Ant man
And probably
Captain America
And war machine
The suit can deflect but I'm sure he can have his neck snapped or drowned. And probably quite a few other ways he can be killed. Something each of the people I listed can easily accomplish.
Thor is literally a god who won the fight by himself at wakanda and could have killed thanos and Dr strange literally can reverse time But that black panther suit is to powerful. Yeah okay. H9wever I'm sure you'll be first and line to see deadpool who can't die and you won't have a single complaint about that. Do something else with your time because you're not good at this.
array s yes war machine doesn't even need to land and in the marvel cinematic universe Captain America would be victorious. While black panther got beotched slapped out if the way during last fight scene Captain America was holding off a infinity glove wearing thanos. So I guess that would make you wrong.
Francisco cantu How long did that take? 18 years to kill him?
youre not going to like captain marvel
I feel like as soon as Infinity War is over and Cap, Tony and Thor leave the MCU is going to have a much smaller fanbase
@@shamrock141 Thor isn't leaving
@@themoosemonastery9678 He will after Thor 4
The next Black Panther villain will probably be Namor, who can probably drown him. So, yeah!
@Hamaa7 no it isnt wtf
Oh boy. What happened last week must’ve ruined you then huh?
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"I don't feel like it was made for me... as you can tell by my voice, I'm not..."
Thing is, I believe the sneakers were unrelated to the suit. It was only made for the joke I think
Space Croww exactly...
1:56 "...since heat ledger"
Are we really going to do this comparison? It has to be a joke. A bad one actually.
"And I thought my jokes were bad"
@@awkwardantagonist3319 🤣🤣🤣
@@awkwardantagonist3319 "I understood that reference." - Steve Rogers
Personally, I think the main focus of the film is how ones socioeconomic reality influences their power, and it makes statements regarding if it’s the duty of individuals with the power to help others. It’s a very similar message of Spider-Man with great power comes great responsibility, but in the context of black culture in America. The film sets up T’challa and Kilmonger as foils and runs them on parallel narrative. T’challa has inherited power and wealth and is shown to be reluctant to use that power to help others because he fears the repercussions of getting involved. Kilmonger on the other hand grew up with out the wealth and power and is enraged that people, like T’challa, who have the power don’t help those without. Kilmonger’s desire is strengthened by the fact that he is related to T’challa and feels that he was abandoned, and thus champions the cause of the downtrodden and seeks to steal that power in order to give power to the powerless. In the end, Kilmonger’s plan to start a violent rebellion on a global scale is stopped, because it’s extreme, but he’s a villain in a superhero of movie, so that expected. But, like any good foil Kilmonger exposes a character flaw in T’challa, and the culture of Wakanda, of failing to provide assistance to people in need because of greed, and T’challa learns from that and starts to use his wealth and power to help others. I think this narrative was incredibly relevant to black culture in America at the time when the movie came out. The first black president had just left office after 8 years and there was still a large amounts of racial inequality in America, and there seemed to be a question of whether Obama presidency actually reflected a positive change in race relations in AmericaIn. I personally loved this movie, but I understand the criticism of the over used parallel villain trope in Marvel movies, but I think Black Panthers use of it was the most nuanced and culturally relevant. Furthermore, Black Panther also flips the trope and T’challa is shown to be blind to his greed instead of the villain. I do respect you argument on the suit however, but I don’t think it’s really over powered it just focuses more on defensive capabilities rather then offensive abilities, as Black Panther was shown in Infinity War to be no where near the strongest when fighting Thanos. But, as a human, you are entitled to your opinion and if you don’t find a superpower set that focuses more on defense interesting, I respect that opinion.
Well said. I wish I could like this twice.
The suit is both defensive and offensive. The suit absorbs attacks into a power he can use as an offensive power. He’s invulnerable to attacks making his super powers even more powered up. It just makes his offensive capabilities doubled. So his suit both offensive and defensive, and as this guy says he’s a superman dilemma
Domagoj Čović Yeah the suit is actually defensive to benefit his offensive capabilities. It’s even more op then Superman
The suit is the only weakness of the movie. Like he said civil war black panther action scene is really good but in black panther movie we see the suit is too powerful. The theme is phenomenal and feel original rather than just a superhero movie.
@@ordhinv.hohenheim5009 the suit isnt even what the movie is about tho☠️
I thought people realized the primitive guns part was a reference to hand to hand combat being more of a dance than allowing technology doing the work. Same with Kenobi’s line of him saying blasters were uncivilized- even though lightsabers are brutal explosive weapons. Hand to hand, or weaponry based combat is often times more complex and sophisticated terms of the facets of the subject and scenarios the techniques can be used on, making it cultured, or a civilized art.
I don't like how the technology of Wakanda was the main focus of the film, should've been the main plot point of the sequel. The main focus of the movie should've been on the actual BLACK PANTHER culture and religion and what Wakanda means to T'challa, for example he hates Klaue with a burning passion but we have never seen him interact with Klaue beforehand or see Klaue actually inflict any harm to Wakanda or its people, all we get is that this one character, who we don't care about, his parents were killed by him. The same drive that T'challa had in Civil War is no where near as strong or investing.
We never really grow a connection to these people and explore what they all mean to T'challa. The Black Panther feels strangely disconnected from the film and country, I mean Christ the Panther God is blissfully mentioned once through narration and there is little no visual asphetic of the architecture and clothing which at all relates to their God and leader aside from a statue.
Also I hate how Vibranium is used here. I can understand them making more advanced weaponry but making a whole car of vibranium and clothing too? it pretty much becomes a deus ex machina. It would've been a much more tonally gripping film if wakanda was portrayed to be much grittier and primitive with the vibranium mainly being used for weapons and having advanced computer systems. Have the tone be more akin to an African Dark Knight.
Also Black Panther himself was boring, no energy, no chemistry with anyone, no authority, no cool lines or strikingly intimidating or badass moments
Action sucked. CG was awful at times, we never clearly see Black Panther claw anything, and the sound effects were pretty cheap at times and recycled more than once
The problem is that what little exploration they did with the normal traditions of Wakanda was basically thrown out the window for the film's third act. They spent the first part of the movie showing us the importance of trial by combat and how only certain people could challenge and what it would mean to the entire nation.
But when T'Challa gets beaten like a dirty rug by Killmonger, all the natives of Wakanda seem to just forget all about that tradition in favor of an all-out coup on the RIGHTFUL monarch, who won the throne fair and square. I felt like that basically invalidated all of the opening narration that set up the "rules" of the story.
In the comics Wakanda have weakneses. In this movie they are the best
@@NotoriousTorashiro I think Killmonger's plans to destroy most of the western world played a part in that.
That was just to try to make black people look like the smartest people on earth yata yata.
@@NotoriousTorashiro I would disagree, killmonger disrespected tradition when he refused to finish the trail apone finding the black panther was still alive
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I know that this is 2 years too late but I would love to see in the next film he gets his suit taken away and wear some sort of tribal outfit that still somehow looks like his suit but also looks very African, maybe a carved wooden panther mask. And I love the claws as weapons so I think they'll be cool if he kept that maybe as in gloves with the last of the little vibranium on it so he still has very strong weapons. But they would have to give a good reason why he couldn't get his suit back. Maybe he's cut off from wakanda
But if he doesn't have unlimited resources and technology decades ahead of the rest of the world, they would actually have to WORK on their run of the mill formula.
I love the Black Panther Movie, But You're right. T'challa needs a Weakness of Some Sort.
His weakness is his ego. He is struggling with how to be a king to his people. Putting on a suit & kicking ass is the easy part. He could have put an abrupt end to the Killmonger stuff, seeing as how he committed treason just to get to Wakanda, but he let his ego push them to the battle ritual, putting Wakanda at risk.
I hate to be such a downer, but he can’t really have a weakness anymore...