Have a more budget scope with decent reputation to the brand I'm curious if you would review. SWFA 1-4 $400 SFP it seems odd to have adj turrets on a LPVO but looking at it for rimfire as an inexpensive training tool.
The people that think they want a 1-10 (over a 1-6 or 1-8) actually just want a 2-12. You get the higher magnification, a still very usable bottom end magnification, better eyebox, Reticles can be better, parallax, not much more weight, and better low light performance since they have larger objectives. Pair it with a piggyback or offset dot and you have the best 1x possible
I completely agree with you on all 1-10x. Way better to have a near-perfect 1-8x with a good usable reticle throughout the magnification range that doesn't require illumination.
Shine a flashlight in the objective end.....the light beam that comes out the other side shows you where your eye relief distance is and how big or small the exit pupil is ..... neat trick for things....
Very insightful review, thank you. I’ve used FFP scopes for many years and most of my friends didn’t know what they were. Now all my friends are buying FFP scopes and I am gravitating more towards SFP in anything below 20x because 1) I’m fine using max magnification for ranging 2) they are generally lighter with better image quality 3) one good reticle at all magnifications is good! Who knew? lol
For me it's more of a cartridge based consideration. If you're shooting a laser beam with a generous maximum point blank range, SFP all day every day. Better glass and less weight and you're only losing a feature you won't use. If you're shooting something that dramatically rainbows like a subsonic, FFP is king. Even a 1-6 FFP can prove useful.
@poisonouslead85 really depends what your doing with it too. Subsonics have a practical range of similar distance to most punters. FFP really isn't necessary
Thank god! I just bought the PLxC with the M8 Meter reticle for around $1280 for my 14.5! I almost panicked when you said this had parallax adjustment.
Thank you - showing the full 10x zoom range in the reticle confirms my belief that FFP scopes with 10x zoom have a serious challenge to overcome. Like other commenters, I think that a 2.5-10x makes more sense in many use situations (not all). 5x zoom is much easier to design and build than 10x, leaving room for better glass, etc. Those turrets do look great (except for the lack of a zero stop).
Your comment about how useful the comment section is to everyone is spot on, I do frequently watch your videos as I'm working on figuring out what scope to put on my G3 for a DMR setup for brutality matches. I have yet to buy one but your constant comparisons and wide breath of scopes you review and the feedback of the comments helps me put a bookmark on a lot of scope to go try out in person before buying. As you said, your eye and the camera don't show the same thing all the time so what might look good to you, and to your camera, might not look good to my eyes.
I have a ptr91 gir and I settled on a PA 5x micro prism. Weight was a concern of mine and I found I shoot much better with fewer options, haha. Good luck on your search, G3's rock
@@SHOTRED555 if only using close, red dot, if possible passive nv usage, eotech, occasional intermediate distance shooting at larger targets, add a magnifier. Want better calls on shots at range? Lpvo
Awesome video as usual. I love it when you give a lot of info, especially on the eyebox (something most reviews either don't really mention or just give a passing report on) I shoot air rifles in the UK, shooting outdoor target sports which are not dynamic (as you put it) as such a tight eyebox is a benefit as t helps control parallax error (we can't touch PX setting based on the rules, the average setting is 25 yards) Depth of field is also critical for us (HFT, SFT target disciplines) and from what I know this will be poor on this scope as the focal length is short which offsets the small front end. We shoot 8y to 45y for HFT and 10y to 55y for SFT (Legal limit UK air guns) I set the PX personally about 23y. (8 mag) I currently use a Zeiss V4 conquest 4-16x44 for both disciplines, which would be nice if you could get your hands on one for a review 😊
100% agree. I have tried 3 different LVPOs, and they all bother me because they demand a perfect cheek weld. For the concept of a fast action scope it doesnt make sense to me.
That March 1-10 shorty (specifically the new 2nd Gen version that allows for the use of aftermarket 34mm mounts) is so appealing ON PAPER. Between the Dual Focal Plane reticle, manually adjustable parallax, truly top tier glass, and its incredibly compact overall footprint and light weight compared to every other 1-10 on the market, and it sounds like THE perfect LPVO. Unfortunately, the illuminated center dot appears to be significantly lacking, and for $3K+ EVERYTHING better be on point.
have the 1-6 stryker on a 13.9 and would never get rid of it! Looking forward to your 3.5-21 Stryker review in the future , maybe the perfect SPR scope we are always in search for?!
Pretty much every ffp scope has a slight shift in the reticle while adjusting power. Its caused when the mag lense tilts slightly when moving. Some handle it better (my 2 m5xi and 1 m7xi its almost impossible to see) while others like some snb pm2 and my zeiss lrp s5 you notice it if you look for it, but dont notice it during standard use. With ffp scopes there is no issue because the reticle is infront of the magnifier, so actually the entire image shifts/jumps. With sfp scopes there will be a poi shift since the reticle will not move, but the image infront does. This is one of the reasons why some sfp scopes may have a different poi regarding what mag you shoot with.
Thanks again C_does! Can you do a review on the vector continental line with fiber dots? If you go to their site, you can request products for review directly. Takes about 2 minutes!
C_DOES Get the 3.5-21x Delta!! Aside from the reticle being ehhh I've heard good things about that optic. Small, relatively light, nice magnification range....seems like a solid SPR scope. OR IS IT??? (Maybe Edgun West will send you one for review??)
My LPVOs need to be capable of running without offset dots. The only one I've found that does this really well with an astigmatism is the Razor II 1-6. You don't need an offset dot with that LPVO and it stays 1x as you adjust the diopter (most LPVOs magnify the image as you crank on the diopter). If I'm going to be shooting long distance I'll just grab a 16" or 18" rifle with an MPVO and offset dot. I have an Athlon 2-12 and Primary Arms 2-14 both with offset dots and both are much better for long distance shooting than the 1-6 and 1-8 LPVOs I have.
Yep. The Razor, The Delta Stryker 1-6. And the Trijicon Credo hx 1-6's are good stand alone options. In SFP. I guess the PA Nova and of course the Vortex Pst as well on the lower end of the spectrum. With that said...I have two PA Plx-c's with the Griffen with top dots. And I like that setup.
I'd bank roll a 2-12 FFP with a tree reticle (.2 subtensions) or something similar to Ilyas 3-18 reticle, moderate illumination and side parallax with low profile windage and elevation. No plastic, all metal construction, 7075 body and under 21oz. Japanese or euro glass with the most advanced coatings, no cheap shit.
It seems to me that, at least so far, an 8x magnification range is the most that one can get without making major sacrifices. Do you think it makes more sense for one to go with something like a 3-15 or 4-16 for more magnification and piggyback a red dot if they need 1x?
Thanks again! Can you do a review on the vector continental line with fiber dots? You can request products for review directly. Takes about 2 minutes! I'm sure they would hook you up!
The reticle comments remind me of my vector 3-12. No illumination, every marking is super fine, and the reticle is virtually invisible until about 5-6x. So many reticles need heavy vertical and horizontal bars starting about 5 mils from center to make them usable at lower power. I like my vector enough to buy another one, but the reticle issues stop me.
I tried that 2x eyebox test on my vudu 1-10 and had the same blurry result. I had never noticed before since I primarily either use it on 1x or 6-10x. I think you would have similar conclusions if you got your hands on the Vudu. It's a compromised package no doubt but I'm still pretty happy with it since I got it at industry pricing. 6-8x is definitely where it performs best.
Another great review from my go to scope reviewer. My son has the arrowhead in the green reticle. We went out to sight it in and for me it didnt seem workable. I think its the green reticle, something about it in the green causes me to not really see it clearly on targets. Some backgrounds its better but most were not. If anyone is a older shooter they may want to test the Arrowhead green out before buying it. Have you seen issues with the green reticles in your testing? CD, do you think you will be getting your hands on the new PLC Nova to compare it with original PLC?
Unfortunately everyones eyes are different. And that means you might know what works for you until you get behind it. As luck would have it. I should be getting sent one soon.
Hey there. I wanted to say that I’ve been watching your videos for about a week now, thanks to mentions from Hop and BrassFacts. You are fantastic at what you do. Any plans on doing a review of the newer Strike Eagle 3-18 FFP?
I'd be curious to get your take on the fairly newly released swampfox warhorse. Personally it looks like a rip off of the vortex strike eagle 1-8 ffp both in the reticle and weight, but I'll reserve judgement until i see a proper review. The PlxC remains my favorite LPVO to date, however I have also realized through my own testing that, where I live and what I do, i do not necessarily need an LPVO. I only really need a dot and 3x magnifier. Nevertheless, i enjoy LPVO's and look forward to your future reviews.
You forgot the ARKEN EP-8 1-8x28 LPVO FFP with Illuminated KLBOX - 34mm Tube. About $374.99. I can't believe that Delta couldn't even give you the scope for review, instead it's on loan? 🤔🙄
Just wanna start off by saying really enjoy all of your videos on all of the scopes might be a little bit lazy here but if you have a few seconds, I shoot a lot of three gun and I have been looking for a scope that is pretty specific and I’m not sure if you know if there’s anything like this but I shoot in open class so therefore I have a offset red dot and really no need for a one power scope I don’t want a heavy scope by any means but having one power is not on my list of things I do really enjoy having a BDC reticle and also numbers next to the ranges to where I am not happening to count or possibly holding off on the wrong spot what scope would have a BDC reticle preferably first focal plane that is somewhere between 2 to 10 or 3 to 12 something like that the one to 10 has such a finicky I box the ones that I’ve looked through so I feel like if you give up some of the low-end chasing the one power the i box could possibly get better Appreciate it
I wonder what it takes to make the 10x ratio really work in scopes like these. Is it a matter of tube and objective diameter? Is the problem mainly that they're trying with a 1x lpvo, instead of starting at 4x? Considering how much optics companies make, I refuse to believe that a 10x magnification ratio is simply not doable.
On a very positive note the Delta Stryker HD 1-6 SFP price should go down with the release of the Delta 1-10x28 scope. With all the Lemmings rushing out to get a 1-10 scope hopefully the Delta Stryker HD 1-6 will come down. Currently their 1-6 is in line with the Credo 1-6 lead by Steiner PXi 1-4, which are all overpriced with their older feature/designs that they are offering. Prices keep going up but salaries have stayed the same for the last ten years. Curious who they are going to sell to?
Also if i may ask if possible can we get a review of the vector optics Continental 1-10 it looks like a "copy my homework" version of the gen 3 razor, at least the reticle is and i really want to know how it holds up, especially since it goes for 1k msrp
The industry has made huge gains in LPVO's in just the last few years, but the 1-10x still seems to be out of reach for a complete package. There are just too many "give ups" to get to 10x. A few years ago PA had the PLX 1-8 and it was good. Then they came out with the PA PLX-C 1-8. It is superior to the original, and the best optic I have looked through. Point being they are always making gains. I do believe eventually they can make a 1-10x that will be usable at a high level through the whole range. The real question is will companies want to dump that much R & D $$ into a 1-10x when they can further master a 1-8x. Especially for the AR15 5.56 market. A 1-10x will outshoot the distance the rifle will shoot.
FFP lpvos will always have tighter eye boxes than their SFP counterparts. They will always be heavier. They will always have poorer light transmission. You don't need FFP on an lpvo. Train and know your holds.
Heres my conspiracy, the reason we dont have the perfect scope is because shareholders and executives dont actually know what is good for shooting, im willing to be the reason the gen 3 razor is a 1-10 is that having such a high level of magnification is amazing for marketing
At this point, I think I would only consider the 1-10 magnification category if/when Primary Arms comes out with one. Edit: Or if one of these companies would make it second focal plane. Looking at that Swamp Fox, the reticle makes a lot of sense for this magnification, if only it had the premium glass that the Stryker/Vudu/Razor have
Yeah I see they have one in their GLX line. But I think where this magnification would really shine would be with the highest end Japanese/German glass in a second focal plane.@@Denzelul
Barely functional eye-relief when mechanically aligned behind it in the best of conditions, that must be just unusable in a real scenario, no? For 1700usd, I would expect an optic to give me... optics.
You guys need to stop harping on the eyebox on LPVO's. NOBODY is running and gunning on the higher magnifications. Literally no one. And since pretty much every LPVO is good on 1x, then eyebox crap is a non issue, so stop harping on it. I ran the NightForce NX-8 1-8 all last year for 2-gun and gas gun competitions and I NEVER had any eyebox issues and we had several stages where we had to shoot from crazy angles. And just about every GunTuber on RUclips will tell you how bad theses scopes are, which is a bunch of bull. My friend ran the VUDU 1-10 and he also had no eyebox issues. There are other things that make or break an LPVO, mainly, the reticle, daytime bright illumination, and locking/zero stop elevation turrets. Manufacturers actually listened to people and started coming out with capped elevation turrets, which was a huge mistake. I dialed on half of my stages so a locking/zero stop elevation turret would have been ideal. Parallax adjustment on an LPVO is not a must. Nice to have, but not a must since most manufacturers use a 125 yard parallax. The NightForce FC-DMx and the Vortex 1-10 reticle are pretty much ideal LPVO reticles.
Maybe its not an issue for you because of your skill level and experience behind the optic. i too shoot 2gun matches monthly and gas gun matches every few months, mostly with a Vcog1-8 and a credo 1-6. i experience no eyebox issues with them but with my 3-15 viper vs my 2.5-15 Tract scopes, the eyebox and eye relief is very noticeable and im faster on the Tract and dont recall struggling with it unlike my viper. eye relief is the most noticeable since some positions can put you closer or farther from the optic and then i end up moving my shoulder or neck to get the right eye relief. i haven't shot a NF but i shoot with a guy that uses an nx8 and he loves his so maybe most YT guys are nitpicking. 😅 I sure wish Trijicon put a parallax dial on their new 1-10, only reason i didnt buy one 😢
@@DefZen343I also believe that it is a training issue and not the optic itself. For me, what makes a great LPVO is daytime bright illumination and a good reticle. And with so many daytime bright scopes coming out now, it is no longer a problem finding one. I always said that if you have to put an offset red dot or one on top, there is an issue with the LPVO on 1x. And most of the 2-gun divisions that I compete in don’t allow offset red dots so that is why I want a daytime bright illuminated reticle.
1-10x28* My B.
What do you use to record through your scope so well?
*Want to try a really interesting experiment that I am working on right now, with that scope?*
Have a more budget scope with decent reputation to the brand I'm curious if you would review. SWFA 1-4 $400 SFP it seems odd to have adj turrets on a LPVO but looking at it for rimfire as an inexpensive training tool.
The people that think they want a 1-10 (over a 1-6 or 1-8) actually just want a 2-12. You get the higher magnification, a still very usable bottom end magnification, better eyebox, Reticles can be better, parallax, not much more weight, and better low light performance since they have larger objectives. Pair it with a piggyback or offset dot and you have the best 1x possible
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Correct. I personally believe 2-10 is the way to go.
Maybe this is especially so if there is an iron front site.
Running the swamp fox 2-12 ffp Reece mil and really like it. A bit heavy but not bad
A man after my own heart 😊
I completely agree with you on all 1-10x. Way better to have a near-perfect 1-8x with a good usable reticle throughout the magnification range that doesn't require illumination.
Preach!
@CDOES You know any good recommendations for a good 1-8 LPVO that don't cost over 1K ?
@@SHOTRED555 used plxc or credo
Shine a flashlight in the objective end.....the light beam that comes out the other side shows you where your eye relief distance is and how big or small the exit pupil is ..... neat trick for things....
You have interested me beyond measure... Until I pull out a veneer and actually measure.
The biggest thing I use this trick for is setting up my scopes for cheek height and length of pull
I also thought about measuring it as well..
I haven’t tried this yet, but am I looking for a crisp circle or what?
That's brilliant. Wish i knew about this sooner 😂
Very insightful review, thank you. I’ve used FFP scopes for many years and most of my friends didn’t know what they were. Now all my friends are buying FFP scopes and I am gravitating more towards SFP in anything below 20x because 1) I’m fine using max magnification for ranging 2) they are generally lighter with better image quality 3) one good reticle at all magnifications is good! Who knew? lol
Same here. Never jumped on the ffp hype train. I’ll stay with sfp and be happy with all the benefits
You have transcended to a level of higher knowledge that not many experience. Consider yourself very fortunate.
Same....sfp for the win....
For me it's more of a cartridge based consideration. If you're shooting a laser beam with a generous maximum point blank range, SFP all day every day. Better glass and less weight and you're only losing a feature you won't use.
If you're shooting something that dramatically rainbows like a subsonic, FFP is king. Even a 1-6 FFP can prove useful.
@poisonouslead85 really depends what your doing with it too.
Subsonics have a practical range of similar distance to most punters. FFP really isn't necessary
The people demand a DeltaThirtyFour collab (you guys figure out the details I just like both your channels and presentation styles)
He did let me borrow his ta33. Hopefully when we both get more time we'll sort something out
Thank god! I just bought the PLxC with the M8 Meter reticle for around $1280 for my 14.5! I almost panicked when you said this had parallax adjustment.
You weren't the first, nor will you be the last to act that way. It's a completely logical situation
Thank you - showing the full 10x zoom range in the reticle confirms my belief that FFP scopes with 10x zoom have a serious challenge to overcome. Like other commenters, I think that a 2.5-10x makes more sense in many use situations (not all). 5x zoom is much easier to design and build than 10x, leaving room for better glass, etc.
Those turrets do look great (except for the lack of a zero stop).
Your comment about how useful the comment section is to everyone is spot on, I do frequently watch your videos as I'm working on figuring out what scope to put on my G3 for a DMR setup for brutality matches. I have yet to buy one but your constant comparisons and wide breath of scopes you review and the feedback of the comments helps me put a bookmark on a lot of scope to go try out in person before buying. As you said, your eye and the camera don't show the same thing all the time so what might look good to you, and to your camera, might not look good to my eyes.
I have a ptr91 gir and I settled on a PA 5x micro prism. Weight was a concern of mine and I found I shoot much better with fewer options, haha. Good luck on your search, G3's rock
You are absolutely correct.
I'm looking for something for my G3 also, i'm thinking a lpvo, a red dot, or eotech
@@SHOTRED555 if only using close, red dot, if possible passive nv usage, eotech, occasional intermediate distance shooting at larger targets, add a magnifier. Want better calls on shots at range? Lpvo
@@ML-762 How's the eyebox on the 5x prism?
I hope you get the chance to review the upcoming Trijicon 1-10. Unfortunately it doesn't have side focus.
They’re making a new one?
Yes
At this point, even if it doesn't it doesn't mean if it'll be good or bad.
Awesome video as usual.
I love it when you give a lot of info, especially on the eyebox (something most reviews either don't really mention or just give a passing report on) I shoot air rifles in the UK, shooting outdoor target sports which are not dynamic (as you put it) as such a tight eyebox is a benefit as t helps control parallax error (we can't touch PX setting based on the rules, the average setting is 25 yards)
Depth of field is also critical for us (HFT, SFT target disciplines) and from what I know this will be poor on this scope as the focal length is short which offsets the small front end.
We shoot 8y to 45y for HFT and 10y to 55y for SFT (Legal limit UK air guns) I set the PX personally about 23y. (8 mag)
I currently use a Zeiss V4 conquest 4-16x44 for both disciplines, which would be nice if you could get your hands on one for a review 😊
100% agree. I have tried 3 different LVPOs, and they all bother me because they demand a perfect cheek weld. For the concept of a fast action scope it doesnt make sense to me.
Iam using one for hft and find it fine,it has a good depth of field and is bright for such a small objective
@@stephenpearson8720now that's interesting, be good if I could come across someone using one for a look through.
@@stephenpearson8720 what make/model?
@@lankymk do you shoot at emley
That March 1-10 shorty (specifically the new 2nd Gen version that allows for the use of aftermarket 34mm mounts) is so appealing ON PAPER. Between the Dual Focal Plane reticle, manually adjustable parallax, truly top tier glass, and its incredibly compact overall footprint and light weight compared to every other 1-10 on the market, and it sounds like THE perfect LPVO. Unfortunately, the illuminated center dot appears to be significantly lacking, and for $3K+ EVERYTHING better be on point.
I would still love to try out marches 1-10 and 1.5-15... I wish companies would do 1.5-10 in the 8x multipler range.
Very good thorough review. Thanks for your insights in general.
My pleasure
Good stuff as always! I appreciate the critical reviews!
Thank you
have the 1-6 stryker on a 13.9 and would never get rid of it! Looking forward to your 3.5-21 Stryker review in the future , maybe the perfect SPR scope we are always in search for?!
Hopefully annex will get one out to me soon so we can find out together
Requesting the Accupower 4.5-30 😀 Loving the Athlon 2-12, just ordered a second one ❤
Good choice!
@@CDOESyeah thanks brother. Appreciate your work
9:55 yep, that lpvo is dead... I wouldn't except my optics doubling as a flashlight at $300, no way in hell I'll except it at $1700
The sound effects made the video 25x better!!
I was obsessing over a minimum 1x power but since ever using the thing for combat is a fantasy im now conpletely intrigued for a 2 to 12
I just bought a Razor 1-6, because I think it is the best option for LPVO. When they get better, I will buy something with a higher magnification.
Pretty much every ffp scope has a slight shift in the reticle while adjusting power. Its caused when the mag lense tilts slightly when moving. Some handle it better (my 2 m5xi and 1 m7xi its almost impossible to see) while others like some snb pm2 and my zeiss lrp s5 you notice it if you look for it, but dont notice it during standard use. With ffp scopes there is no issue because the reticle is infront of the magnifier, so actually the entire image shifts/jumps. With sfp scopes there will be a poi shift since the reticle will not move, but the image infront does. This is one of the reasons why some sfp scopes may have a different poi regarding what mag you shoot with.
*23:00** Using your footage, I calculate max magnification as only 8.5x*
Side parallax is always a Plus..... Wish more other has it.
Are we gonna get a 4x TA02? I’d argue the best of the ACOGs, followed by the 3.5x TA110
Thanks again C_does! Can you do a review on the vector continental line with fiber dots? If you go to their site, you can request products for review directly. Takes about 2 minutes!
C_DOES Get the 3.5-21x Delta!!
Aside from the reticle being ehhh I've heard good things about that optic. Small, relatively light, nice magnification range....seems like a solid SPR scope.
OR IS IT???
(Maybe Edgun West will send you one for review??)
My LPVOs need to be capable of running without offset dots. The only one I've found that does this really well with an astigmatism is the Razor II 1-6. You don't need an offset dot with that LPVO and it stays 1x as you adjust the diopter (most LPVOs magnify the image as you crank on the diopter). If I'm going to be shooting long distance I'll just grab a 16" or 18" rifle with an MPVO and offset dot. I have an Athlon 2-12 and Primary Arms 2-14 both with offset dots and both are much better for long distance shooting than the 1-6 and 1-8 LPVOs I have.
Yep. The Razor, The Delta Stryker 1-6. And the Trijicon Credo hx 1-6's are good stand alone options. In SFP. I guess the PA Nova and of course the Vortex Pst as well on the lower end of the spectrum.
With that said...I have two PA Plx-c's with the Griffen with top dots. And I like that setup.
I agree. If not, why bother with one?
I'd bank roll a 2-12 FFP with a tree reticle (.2 subtensions) or something similar to Ilyas 3-18 reticle, moderate illumination and side parallax with low profile windage and elevation. No plastic, all metal construction, 7075 body and under 21oz. Japanese or euro glass with the most advanced coatings, no cheap shit.
It seems to me that, at least so far, an 8x magnification range is the most that one can get without making major sacrifices.
Do you think it makes more sense for one to go with something like a 3-15 or 4-16 for more magnification and piggyback a red dot if they need 1x?
For a lpvo I agree. And it'll only work if that is what the user is looking for. But a nice 3-15 with a piggyback would be slick
Thanks again! Can you do a review on the vector continental line with fiber dots? You can request products for review directly. Takes about 2 minutes! I'm sure they would hook you up!
Damn I love my 1x6 so much
The reticle comments remind me of my vector 3-12. No illumination, every marking is super fine, and the reticle is virtually invisible until about 5-6x. So many reticles need heavy vertical and horizontal bars starting about 5 mils from center to make them usable at lower power. I like my vector enough to buy another one, but the reticle issues stop me.
I tried that 2x eyebox test on my vudu 1-10 and had the same blurry result. I had never noticed before since I primarily either use it on 1x or 6-10x. I think you would have similar conclusions if you got your hands on the Vudu. It's a compromised package no doubt but I'm still pretty happy with it since I got it at industry pricing. 6-8x is definitely where it performs best.
Great to know. Hopefully I can get one for testing eventually.
If you ever make it to West MI, you can fondle my March FX 1.5-15x as long as you're here lol.
I'll have to hold you to that one day. Hopefully
Another great review from my go to scope reviewer. My son has the arrowhead in the green reticle. We went out to sight it in and for me it didnt seem workable. I think its the green reticle, something about it in the green causes me to not really see it clearly on targets. Some backgrounds its better but most were not. If anyone is a older shooter they may want to test the Arrowhead green out before buying it. Have you seen issues with the green reticles in your testing?
CD, do you think you will be getting your hands on the new PLC Nova to compare it with original PLC?
Unfortunately everyones eyes are different. And that means you might know what works for you until you get behind it.
As luck would have it. I should be getting sent one soon.
The monstrum 2-10x30 has a similar eye box issue
Good to know
Hey there. I wanted to say that I’ve been watching your videos for about a week now, thanks to mentions from Hop and BrassFacts. You are fantastic at what you do.
Any plans on doing a review of the newer Strike Eagle 3-18 FFP?
Nice review, as always. 1-10 good idea? I would prefer a red dot + fixed scope 10x, 12x or 16x, but difficult to find in Europe.
SWFA may have a fixed power that would work for you. You’ll just have to pay to get it shipped.
@@othernamesweretaken1871 I have one in 20x mil, excellent but very rare in France, and 600$
The European market is, well, foreign to me lol
Can you please do a review of the Delta Stryker HD 3.5-21x44mm?
Please test the New Vortex strike Eagle 3-18x44 FFP 🤙🏼
I'd be curious to get your take on the fairly newly released swampfox warhorse. Personally it looks like a rip off of the vortex strike eagle 1-8 ffp both in the reticle and weight, but I'll reserve judgement until i see a proper review.
The PlxC remains my favorite LPVO to date, however I have also realized through my own testing that, where I live and what I do, i do not necessarily need an LPVO. I only really need a dot and 3x magnifier. Nevertheless, i enjoy LPVO's and look forward to your future reviews.
You forgot the ARKEN EP-8 1-8x28 LPVO FFP with Illuminated KLBOX - 34mm Tube. About $374.99. I can't believe that Delta couldn't even give you the scope for review, instead it's on loan? 🤔🙄
This is a 3 gun scope, so it does not matter that you can see light reflected in objective lenses.
Just wanna start off by saying really enjoy all of your videos on all of the scopes might be a little bit lazy here but if you have a few seconds, I shoot a lot of three gun and I have been looking for a scope that is pretty specific and I’m not sure if you know if there’s anything like this but I shoot in open class so therefore I have a offset red dot and really no need for a one power scope I don’t want a heavy scope by any means but having one power is not on my list of things I do really enjoy having a BDC reticle and also numbers next to the ranges to where I am not happening to count or possibly holding off on the wrong spot what scope would have a BDC reticle preferably first focal plane that is somewhere between 2 to 10 or 3 to 12 something like that the one to 10 has such a finicky I box the ones that I’ve looked through so I feel like if you give up some of the low-end chasing the one power the i box could possibly get better Appreciate it
I wonder what it takes to make the 10x ratio really work in scopes like these. Is it a matter of tube and objective diameter? Is the problem mainly that they're trying with a 1x lpvo, instead of starting at 4x? Considering how much optics companies make, I refuse to believe that a 10x magnification ratio is simply not doable.
On a very positive note the Delta Stryker HD 1-6 SFP price should go down with the release of the Delta 1-10x28 scope. With all the Lemmings rushing out to get a 1-10 scope hopefully the Delta Stryker HD 1-6 will come down. Currently their 1-6 is in line with the Credo 1-6 lead by Steiner PXi 1-4, which are all overpriced with their older feature/designs that they are offering. Prices keep going up but salaries have stayed the same for the last ten years. Curious who they are going to sell to?
One could hope
Any reviews on the new primary arms glx 1x microprism and slx md21 red dot coming soon?
Also if i may ask if possible can we get a review of the vector optics Continental 1-10 it looks like a "copy my homework" version of the gen 3 razor, at least the reticle is and i really want to know how it holds up, especially since it goes for 1k msrp
Thanks for ruining my dreams. And saving me a couple grand. 😔😔😔
Any time!
The industry has made huge gains in LPVO's in just the last few years, but the 1-10x still seems to be out of reach for a complete package. There are just too many "give ups" to get to 10x.
A few years ago PA had the PLX 1-8 and it was good. Then they came out with the PA PLX-C 1-8. It is superior to the original, and the best optic I have looked through. Point being they are always making gains.
I do believe eventually they can make a 1-10x that will be usable at a high level through the whole range. The real question is will companies want to dump that much R & D $$ into a 1-10x when they can further master a 1-8x.
Especially for the AR15 5.56 market. A 1-10x will outshoot the distance the rifle will shoot.
So it's very similar to the downfalls of the Vortex Razor Gen III?
Imo, yes.
I still have not found a reason to buy a lpvo ...got reddots. And a 3x9
asking for everything has never worked and never will
Natural law of life
What camera and equipment you use for your videos ?
Makes me wonder how many of my illuminated scopes have forward emission.
If you have them that's easy enough to check. But it'll only really happen with ffp's.
Seems like Vector is the manufacturer, same reticle in their branded 1-10.
I'll have to look into that
@@CDOES Focustripp did a review on the optic- German glass similar reticle, no wind holds
Would the exit pupil and vision issues be fixed if this was a 50 mm objective?
With how tricky glass is to work with. I have no idea unless a company made it.
FFP lpvos will always have tighter eye boxes than their SFP counterparts. They will always be heavier. They will always have poorer light transmission. You don't need FFP on an lpvo. Train and know your holds.
Leupold Mark 3 hd?
Heres my conspiracy, the reason we dont have the perfect scope is because shareholders and executives dont actually know what is good for shooting, im willing to be the reason the gen 3 razor is a 1-10 is that having such a high level of magnification is amazing for marketing
Realism in Tarkov is unbelievable.
Please, Vector Optics Continental X10 1-10x28 ED FFP (SCFF-47)
At this point, I think I would only consider the 1-10 magnification category if/when Primary Arms comes out with one.
Edit: Or if one of these companies would make it second focal plane. Looking at that Swamp Fox, the reticle makes a lot of sense for this magnification, if only it had the premium glass that the Stryker/Vudu/Razor have
I think they have a couple 1-10Xs.
Yeah I see they have one in their GLX line. But I think where this magnification would really shine would be with the highest end Japanese/German glass in a second focal plane.@@Denzelul
Don't think vudu.vortex or Stryker is premium glass......
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How is this compared to the vudu 1-10?
People just don't understand that buying 2-10 + MRDS is a better option
Lpvo peak is 1-6.
Crispy glass
*19:38** I commented elsewhere... I can tell you why. HMU, my nfo is in my about.*
Marked safe from spending $1,700 on a disappointment.
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Barely functional eye-relief when mechanically aligned behind it in the best of conditions, that must be just unusable in a real scenario, no? For 1700usd, I would expect an optic to give me... optics.
Panzer 1-10x ftw 🙌 1700$ for this pffff 😂
You get what you pay for (ability to hold zero)
@@markrichards7452 it costs 1700 to hold zero?!? You are trippin! LMFAO 😆
So sad
You guys need to stop harping on the eyebox on LPVO's. NOBODY is running and gunning on the higher magnifications. Literally no one. And since pretty much every LPVO is good on 1x, then eyebox crap is a non issue, so stop harping on it.
I ran the NightForce NX-8 1-8 all last year for 2-gun and gas gun competitions and I NEVER had any eyebox issues and we had several stages where we had to shoot from crazy angles. And just about every GunTuber on RUclips will tell you how bad theses scopes are, which is a bunch of bull.
My friend ran the VUDU 1-10 and he also had no eyebox issues. There are other things that make or break an LPVO, mainly, the reticle, daytime bright illumination, and locking/zero stop elevation turrets. Manufacturers actually listened to people and started coming out with capped elevation turrets, which was a huge mistake. I dialed on half of my stages so a locking/zero stop elevation turret would have been ideal. Parallax adjustment on an LPVO is not a must. Nice to have, but not a must since most manufacturers use a 125 yard parallax. The NightForce FC-DMx and the Vortex 1-10 reticle are pretty much ideal LPVO reticles.
Maybe its not an issue for you because of your skill level and experience behind the optic. i too shoot 2gun matches monthly and gas gun matches every few months, mostly with a Vcog1-8 and a credo 1-6. i experience no eyebox issues with them but with my 3-15 viper vs my 2.5-15 Tract scopes, the eyebox and eye relief is very noticeable and im faster on the Tract and dont recall struggling with it unlike my viper. eye relief is the most noticeable since some positions can put you closer or farther from the optic and then i end up moving my shoulder or neck to get the right eye relief. i haven't shot a NF but i shoot with a guy that uses an nx8 and he loves his so maybe most YT guys are nitpicking. 😅 I sure wish Trijicon put a parallax dial on their new 1-10, only reason i didnt buy one 😢
@@DefZen343I also believe that it is a training issue and not the optic itself.
For me, what makes a great LPVO is daytime bright illumination and a good reticle. And with so many daytime bright scopes coming out now, it is no longer a problem finding one.
I always said that if you have to put an offset red dot or one on top, there is an issue with the LPVO on 1x. And most of the 2-gun divisions that I compete in don’t allow offset red dots so that is why I want a daytime bright illuminated reticle.
What in your opinion are the 1-2 best daytime-bright reticle Ipvo's?
FFP and SFP if you have opinion on both?
Also, have you used the leupold 2-10?
If so what is your opinion?
PST 2 is so hard to beat.