The ferries from Germany to Sweden doesn’t need to take 9 hours, but they go intentionally slow, partly to save the environment and fuel, but also so that the driver gets a full nights rest and are read to start fresh when they arrive!
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Finnlines Travemünde - Malmö does take 9 hours. It was a Finnlines ferry in the video.
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Going from Rostock (Germany) to Trelleborg (Sweden) takes about 6 hours, depending on weather and direction. It counts as a full rest (11 hours) for the drivers because they are resting in a cabin on the ship in a "proper" bed and with access to facilities and not in the cab of the truck.
There is a few different ferries from Germany to Sweden. Most travled is the one in Travemünde and Sassnitz. But there is also one in Rostock, and possibly one or two more. The one in Travemünde takes typically 9 hours, and they are traveling fairly quickly. The one in Sassnitz can take as short as 4 hours, but during nights they usually does it in 7 hours. The reason why they are using the Travemünde is two fault. Firstly they can do a full its much closer to Netherlands. A truckdriver can drive all the way from Netherlands to Travemünde in one shift, with probobly a hours to spare. To Sassnitz you are not getting in one shift. Annoyingly it will probobly take about 10 hours and 30 minutes to go there (driving time). Being just out of range. The other reason is of cause that the 9 hour trip time will give a full night of legal rest. The actual of time is longer than 9 hours. Probably closer to 10. There is also a third reason. With Finnlines they can go directly to Malmö in steed of Trelleborg . It cuts of about 30-40 minutes of truck time inside of Sweden putting them directly on the highway in steed of smaller roads outside of Trelleborg. This way they can reach about 85% of the populated area in Sweden in one day. And they can easily go to Gothemburg and back the same day. They can probobly cover 25% or Norway with the same route.
@ If a ferry uses 9 hours, means it could go faster and doesn't Need to take 9 hours. Why it shouldn't go faster: Same reason why good truck drivers barely need to use the brake pedal.
My HGV driver trainer told me "we get paid to reverse into tight loading bays, anyone can drive one forward". That is so true, it was the hardest part to master.
mine too in 🇨🇿 and the same about highway, so I spent most my training in my historical hometown😉after that I knew everywhere else its gonna be breeze😃still hate Prague😃
Sure, but I imagine you also need to have the mindset to be comfortable doing nothing but driving long distances while living in your cramped truck. Not everyone is cut out for that.
These trucks are dutch , from netherlands . They bring vegetables and flowers , even meat . Travemunde is a big ferry port from europe to scandinavia . Several ferrys departs from germany every day . Nice channel by the way ! My brother is a truckdriver since 1969 and he stoppet driving last year due to healthproblems . I'll recomend this channel to him !
prefacelift has more square lights and smaller "air intake" holes in the fender/bumper, facelift lights are lower on the outside. But they are so similar that despite prefacelift is in my family a checket images in google to be sure :D Very good car, especially with 1,6 mpi engine.
"JP Vis" is the name of the owner of the company. "& Zn" means "and son". The Skoda is a Skoda Octavia Combi from around '00. Quite commonly bought back then.
I live in Sweden and I've seen those exact trucks already a couple of times. I've also seen the process on the ferries many times because I've traveled frequently between Germany and Sweden. Really interesting to see. Fun fact: I've studied in södertälje. The university was located right to Scanias offices. They are based in södertälje and that's also the reason why there is a university so people can practice at their facilities and start working there. A friend of mine, who shared a flat with me during that time is now working at Scania. I will actually visit him next week.
05:10 The forklift was loading some sort of paper products. The markings on the gods said Skärblacka which is a large paper mill outside of Norrköping.
That company name J.P Vis & Zn means, and sons. The weird thing is in the Netherlands if Mr. Vis only has daughters they never mention that in a company name like J.P. Vis & Dochters. Those weird Dutch people😅
curtainsider trailers are very popular here in UK/Europe rear entry only not so common, with a curtainsider trailer you have to careful in the wind if you take the curtain out of one end to unload it and the wind catches hold of the curtain, you run the risk of the curtain pole smacking you in the face ,while only aluminium (correct English spelling), and covered with the tarpaulin curtain it hurts and you will see stars for a minute or 2 ,it happened to me twice, i was lucky no nose bleeds as a result, its F**K that hurt :) :), Scania over Volvo here :) :)
You could drive to Sweden from Germany if you pass into Denmark then cross Öresundsbron from Copenhagen to Malmö. But the ferry is a better choice because that is a good time for the truck driver to get some mandatory sleep and it is faster i am guessing.
5:45 Yes. It's a Skoda. I was lucky enough to have one as a fleet car for a couple of years. It was the Skoda Octavia with 1.6 litre diesel. I would easily drive it at 60+ mpg and when I really put my mind to it I'd get 80+ mpg on my 1 hour each-way commute to work. It was also the most comfortable car I've ever driven. I'm a pretty big guy (250lb and barely an ounce of muscle 😂) but I'd easily do a 500 mile trip without a break. And when I did have to stop it would be mother nature urging me to stop, not discomfort from the seats.
The Volvo vs Scania thing has existed for a long time precisely as the eternal Chevy vs Ford battle, but being that Volvo and Scania are both swedish and are my two favourites i tend to say Volvo and Scania vs everyone else personally. Also, sidedoor trailers and curtainside trailers (You can probably guess what those are from the name) are really common here, as it allows a forklift to easily acces half of the load on one side, and the other half on the other side. It just makes things easier for everyone.
These trucks are from a dutch company. I love the design - the 3 stripes resembling the dutch flag ending in the swedish flag...and yes, you've been right with the skoda at the swedish gas station. In Germany it's a maximum (truck, trailer and load) of 40 tons, in Sweden and in the netherlands it's a maximum of 60 tons.
And the reason they do the truck/dolly thing in Sweden is to save fuel - two trucks pulling uses less fuel than three. The continental max length is also shorter than what's permitted in Sweden.
I have been a service engineer and been traveling a lot in Sweden, I have seen a lot of combinations of trucks Even seen a combination of tractor with a 40 ft trailer and hooked up to a dolly with another 40 ft trailer a few times probably about 32-33 meters altogether. Just saw this: Furthermore, the BK4 road network in Sweden is now included in the overview. BK4 is a limited and specially adapted road network for trial runs with high-capacity truck trains of up to 74 tonnes and 34 metres
Best you visit Australia then. Road train limit is 53 metres in length I believe and you often see 3 trailers on the highway and 4 sometimes in the right areas. In excess of 100 tons at times. Legendary stuff indeed
Love how raw your videos are! (: Makes you look human like the rest of us. Thanks for the great content and keep it coming (: F1, Trucks, rally whatever has a motor and im in ;) ps. also currently a forkliftoperator (: for the biggest tire export warehouse in the nordics
I work in Stockholm harbour, and part of the job is working with the lorries going over to Finland. It’s pretty interesting how normal the double trailers start seeming - we refer to them as “long long”, while single trailers are thought of as “half long”. Most of the ones I’ve seen don’t have a separate dolly, though, instead having a sliding bogie on the front trailer that slides out with an extra fifth wheel so the second trailer can hook directly to the first.
@@bernthardemalm6167 I know the technical term - but just as people in the industry call all ships “boats” and containers “cans”, we don’t tend to use the formal terms for double trailers. ;-) They’re great, though. Twice the capacity for essentially the same emissions.
Reference the reversing onto loading docks. having driven trucks with dolly trailers I found the longer the dolly trailer the easier they are to put onto a dock. The one I drove was only rated at 32 metric tonnes as I carried pallets of crisps and bubble wrap back. It still had 430bhp which was OK unless the wind was too strong but after 50mph I would park up to avoid being blown over.
This was fun to watch, as I work in that harbour in Malmö. Recently I noticed that JP VIS is not “reassemble” their trailers anymore. What I heard was that the company was hefty fined as it was illegal to do so. Also it seems that JP VIS was sold to some company I don’t recal the name of. Very friendly drivers. They appreciated that we took their trailers to a lesser busy area in the harbour, so they could safely “do their stuff”.
In Sweden we refer to theese kind of carrigaes as 'module systems'. In Sweden we have three different types of theese. The third module type not seen on this clip is the Link-system. To clarify about the two different types of carriages seen on this clip: -The Volvo is a cabinet truck. The dolly (with only a turn table/fifth wheel) is hooked on to the back of cab truck -and the dolly hook up on to the kingpin of EU-type trailer. (The small EU types pulled by the EU single axle trailer pullers.) -The Scania is a trailerpuller. It hooks up to the king pin of a regular sized EU-trailer. And the trailer hooks up to cab dolly unit. (The truck is pulling two trailers.) Theese module systems are allowed to be 25,25 meters (82,84 ft) long in Sweden. The standard length of a standard cabinet truck -with a cabinet carriage (no deatachable dolly) has a legnth od 24 meters (78.74 ft).
It's a Skoda Octavia with Danish registration . The nine hours ferry crossing is very handy for the drivers. They can have their minimum daily rest on board in a comfortable cabin with facilities and good food. Twice a week they can have the minimum uninterrupted rest, normal will be eleven hours without breaks. In Sweden and soon in Denmark too, 34 meter long jumbo trucks will be legal. Total weight between 56 and 64 tons ( one ton = 1.000 kg) so engine power is required to make them run uphill on the special road grid, where they can drive legally. Max. speed is 89 km/h on motorways/highways, country roads 70 km/h. In Germany the max. length of a semi truck/trailer is 16.5 meter and total-weight is 40 t on five axles. In Denmark the standard semi truck/trailer is also 16.5 m , but on seven axles and 56 t. Truck/trailer is max. 18.75 m with a 4 axle truck and a 3 axle trailer or a 3 axle truck with a 4 axle trailer. Most popular in DK are Scania and Volvo, but MAN, Mercedes, Iveco and DAF are also in the game. Ford is on its way back to the market with a Turkish build semi truck.
you will also notice European drawbar hook ups are different than the US / North American ones, here we dont need those extra chains that you guys have, this is because once balled in the trailer can not jump free because of how the hitch is designed as it drops through the eye of the trailer draw-hoop, in addition the hitch unit on the pulling unit, (rigid truck or lead trailer) can rotate through 360 degrees and uses a ball to allow pitch movement of the towed item
from what I have seen so far most car-parts deliveries in Germany are done using "Curtain-Siders". Since you said you used to work as a Forklift-man I wonder does the industry in the US not use those
thye mid-axle drawbar and straight truck is a 40 tonne outfit. the rigid truck with the 45ft trailer behind, thats the 60 tonne truck. at the time of filming the original video, Germany and Holland did not permit 25.25m trucks. the artic with the 45ft semi trailer and shorter mid-axle trailer is also a 60tonne truck.
Well, in Sweden neighbour country Finland we drive 68 - 76 tons 34,5 meter long, 11 - 12 axles HCT-trucks with 2 trailers and maybe one dolly. B-train is just a "trailer" behind the truck for us. And there is not just few roads where you can drive, you can drive free where you need to drive. The exceptions are cramped city centers etc, where the maximum length is usually only 12m.
Well, actually we do have this sort of truck&trailer combinations in Germany too. The difference is, that they are limited to preselected routes and the dolly axle has to be steerable. That's what I know, maybe somebody might correct me :)
They’re also only allowed to carry 44t which kinda defeats the purpose for general trucking and only helps lightweight cargo like postal and pharmaceuticals
I just looked it up, these LZV's (which stands for Lang Zwaar Vervoer in Dutch, or Long Heavy Hauling in English, which are the trucks with 60 metric tons of total weight) are also allowed in Germany and in Denmark, which means that they could drive all the way from Rotterdam to Sweden by using the Oresund bridge. However I think they use the ferry because A the toll for the Oresund bridge is quite high, and B on the boat they can make distance while sleeping.
@@quickwimnl i looked it up 44ton is only for rail/road transport incl containers. Everything else is 40ton, normal truck and trailer/combi and the 25m ones as well
Back in the 90'ties I had an office facing a warehouse on the other side of a yard, and I could be sitting in my chair and admire the truck drivers maneuver their trucks, sometimes it was almost unbelievable what they managed to do and how they could get their trailers both in to the yard and also out on the road again, really impressive work
Side loading doors are versatile, both dry and chilled can be carried using same unit, making them more flexible for the operators, truck weights can vary in the EU, typically though the Dutch will use heavier along with Sweden and other Nordic countries. France has upped its limit to 44tonnes same as the UK.
i travelled to greece many times and that also goes by ferry. we boarded in ancona italy and unbourded in partas. the crossing takes about 24 hours. my compagnies drives mosly daf, but also mercedes and m.a.n.. the combinations you see in the video are also alowed in the netherlands. max 25.25 meters and 60 tons, but as you sad, not in germany but for driving them you have to do extra training to get a drivers licence to be alowed to drive them
As a short note from a Swedish trucker. The rigs you showed are not the largest we have around here. Normal rigs are 25,25 meters long and allowed to weigh in at 74 tonnes. With special purpose built trailers you are allowed to be up to 32 meters long and weigh 96 tonnes. These trucks are mostly seen carrying timber up in the northern parts and are restricted to certain routes due to their high axel load and large turn radius. The normal 25,25 meter rigs are composed of a truck (holds 6 rows of pallets), a dolly and then a regular semitrailer (holds 11 rows). Set up this way the turn raidus is kept to a minimum allowing us to go almost anywhere you would take a "standard" 16m & 44 tonnes (maximum total lenght of truck and trailer) semitrailer. It takes a bit of getting used to backing up with the double jointed setup but is usually no problmes to learn, the longest combinations are mostly restriced by the need for room to stretch out prior to backing up.
5:11 I read the label on the boxes saying Skärblacka and realized thats only half an hour from where i live. Small world huh! Cargo's probably paper from Skärblacka papperfactory. Thanks for the video!
Many of these farrys also transport passengers. We used them to go from travemünde to trellbourg but now the new Rostock Visby Ninesham ferry is way faster for us (and cheaper sinc only 1 ride and not two)
No most terminals are not designed to accept them and you want them backing up so you can inflate the cusions around the lorry so you dont let all the heat out of the terminal during the winter.
@@nukkinfuts6550 thats with food stuff yes, thats why you see them dock when they unload. They load non food back to NL and for non food its pretty standard
One of the reasons is probably the dmg the heavy weight does to the Autobahn since as you know we can drive pretty fast on it the road is usually heavy maintained so road damages are usually fixed pretty quickly on unrestricted areas and trucks already are the biggest reason why we have so much road work going on (as Someone from NRW I know it all too well) which would mean a lot more traffic jams thx to construction areas on the Autobahn
@@godsofold not happening. at least not that low. Since the automobile industry in Germany owns the CSU (leading Bavarian party), they have a foot on speed limits. 100kph will only ever happen termporarily, but i can't see anything below 150kph as a general long term limit.
heavily maintained? i guess you never worked on the autobahn. Construction that takes 20+ years, old roads that are so bumpy you relocate half your cab when driving anything above 80kph. Also, our trucks are limited in europe to 56mph/89kph. traffic jam on the autobahn can take half a day to clear up, specially when there is an accident involved. Ask me how i know (10 years international transport sweden-germany-italy)
There is a bridge up through Denmark to get across the strait, so they could drive there but the ferry is cheaper and faster IIRC (especially depending on where their stops are) The station wagon or estate as we would say, was a Skoda Octavia (98-05 model)
And they get rest. If they go through Denmark they need to stay and sleep. Now they can go straight from Trelleborg to Stockholm with one 45 minutes break. If driving through Denmark they need to take rest in Copenhagen for nine hours. And they need to be three drivers. Now three drive to Travemünde one take of one trailer and the ferry drive the trailer on the ferry and in Trelleborg two drivers change the trailers around so they are 25,25 meters. In Germany they only can be 18 meters.
@@magnusE7 nope, 25.25 is allowed in germany on special routes. JP VIS transits daily on the A1(vechta up to travemunde) from the NL . only restriction is weight 40t max.
Hint: the yellow numberplate is a sign of the NETHERLANDS ... and the "red-white-blue" stripes (Netherlands) and "yellow-blue" cross (Sweden) are the flags of the countries they move to and fro.
Just fyi: In germany there was a discussions about these 60t trucks called "Gigaliners" and it ended with Germany not allowing these Gigaliners due to the damage to the roads these 60t at once do in comparison to the allowed max 40t per truck.
We have a total weight limit of 74 metric tonnes as for now in Sweden. And I believe Finland have the same regulations. Depending of wehicle combination. Max Length in Sweden is 25,25 meters if you are using a dolly as seen in this vid. We do have carriers with the length of 32 meters. They are not that common and quite regulated depending on the stretch they travel between.
These Gigaliners, as we call them, are restricted to certain federal states and certain routes in Germany, mostly between big logistics hubs. They are not very common, because people fear (or are made to fear) their length, which people here are not accustomed to. 18,75m to over 25m is a pretty big jump and driving next to such a wall leaves not everyone very comfortable. Also they don't fit in our narrower street network that well, hence the route restrictions. One point that was not mentioned to the full yet: These Gigaliners are not allowed to weigh more than 44 tonnes in Germany (other states in Europe have different regulations), because the infrastructure is not built to handle more weight on a regular basis.
i used to work at volvo australia building the trucks the 770hp tri drive trucks for mining in australia even on roads towing a roadtrain nothing comes close from the factory the only draw back is the use a 24v system as opposed to the 12v system in most other trucks but the converter allows you to still use all your normal electronics a fantastic truck so comfortable and the power the low down torque is amazing.
One company here in the UK tried to introduce the road train with a few trucks. The authorities came down on them hard and he had to scrap the idea. Britain loves rules.
I've taken most of the ferry routes between Sweden and Germany dozens of times and have never not had at least 9 hours of rest! Mind you the last time was ten years ago and the trucks I drove could always be driven with a magnet lol
Hi Ian. Love your video's, I'm a B-Double truck driver from Australia. I just watched your video American reacts to Australia trucks. When you get the chance to visit Australia you must travel the Hume highway between Sydney and Melbourne it's the busiest transport route in Australia. The road is roughly 900 kilometres long (560 miles) there are thousands of trucks travel that highway every day. Not to mention the sights you may see on the way. It would be well worth the drive.
their cargo on the way there was refrigerated fresh fruit and vegetables. so these fridge combis have side doors that contain the wall insulation. now they load unrefrigerated paper pulp as return freight so it is loaded with a forklift through the side doors . this way the truck combinations remain multi-purpose.
It's the same in areas here in Victoria, if a supermarket (Woolworth) truck b double has to go to any supermarket on Phillip Island they have to stop just off the bridge and split the trailers and take them across as single trailers and there is a curfew of around 6pm
Also is now allowed in Germany to drive with these combinations. When this video was made by Iep van de Meer from Big Truck it wasn't. In the Netherlands is it also allowed for years to drive with 25,25 meters.
Germany has been moving towards allowing these 25m combinations over the past years already, but as of now, they are only allowed on a few selected routes. I've definitely seem some of them on the A4 and A9 highways in the past.
I think Germany already allows it on the major highways but I'm not sure. The video he is watching is 5 years old so pretty outdated. I think there are companies already that drive the full length to Sweden with 25m trucks.
The trucks are 2500 meters long. They drive head to tail and fill up the right lane - and then there are the "Elefantenrennen" Elephant races, where one or more trucks are passing the others with 1 km/h speed difference.
@@erik_dk842 I know this Elefantenrennen shit good enough. My first time driving on the Autobahn, I was sitting behind a truck at about 85 km/h (trucks are only allowed to go 80) and there was another truck overtaking me in the middle lane going just a little bit faster. But if you ask my driving teacher, I'm the bad driver when I try to overtake at anything less than 20kmh faster than whoever I want to pass...
@@erik_dk842 the real problem on the german highways are cars who drive 70 on the right lane. experience shows that overtaking trucks reduce the traffic jams. Also i drive 15000km a year in Germany and you know clearly nothing about speed. They never overtake with 1km difference. Also germany allowes 25m trucks but to a total wheight of 40ton so they are useless
@@larsmeijerink5471 If it's 1 or 3 km/h, they take forever, and the effin truck getting passed does not lower his speed even half a km/h to help the other overtaking. Since they are all going in the same direction anyway, couple them together and put them on rails.
Few notes. You can drive from germany to Sweden via Denmark. There is Bridges the whole way. But talking the Ferry is more economical since the drivers get a "free" 9 hour rest. Specially since the third driver can turn around and skip Denmark. All EU nation apart from Sweden and finland have 18m and 40ton limit. Sweden and finland got 25.25meter and 72ton limit respectively 84. Recently raised from 60. The truck have a 6+6, 12 and 12 meter configuration in Germany while they got a 12+6 and a 6+12 in sweden (plus cab). There also exist 102ton 32 meter trucks in both finland and Sweden. But they are only allowed on short certified routes. Those trucks are still shy of the maximum allowed in sweden. Sweden and finland is in a sence simular to Australia with huge distances between cities and some part having very little railroad (specially up north). Hence having very large truck make sense. Also going on truck on ferries is really common. While there are landroutes everywhere around the baltic. Truck ferries are very common. Fun fact. There are no hight restriction on trucks in sweden. Non what so ever. But if a bridge is over 4.5meter, there is no warning sign.
I drive for a huge spedition company called frigoscandia/bring, me my boss and another guy start louding the trucks at 5 in the morning, i dont own a drivers license for the trailer though only the truck, but my friends combo is 4.5 high and 24 long yesterday he had 150 pallets on his combo wheight was around 60 tonnes, freezed and cooled stuff, my truck takes 21 pallet positions and they planned 25 positions for me on monday so it will be a long they i think
Cargo could be beer. How folks in Europe buy beer is very confusing. The Norwegians buy their beer in Sweden. The Swedes buy their beer in Denmark. The Danes buy their beer in Germany. The Germans buy their beer in Checkoslovakia. The Checks used to go to Russia, but I am not sure they do that anymore. Quite often it is THE SAME BRAND. It is just cheaper on the other side of the border.
and a lot of it is brewed in Belgium (even the really cheap ones you think are eastern european... for example Hopvill and Buval sold in Aldi is brewed really close to where I live and they brew around 400 million liters of beer per year from non alcoholic up to 17% where most of that went to Russia until recently... and that's 'only' the 2nd largest brewery in Belgium)
Checkoslovakia? That beer would be not good anymore. But the Czech Republic has great beer. Slovakia probably too. But Germans still buy mostly German beer. I like some ales from Ireland and UK from time to time as well.
4:00 the manoeuvring would be scary as an unexperienced driver, but i think also the most fun part. I work in heavy industry and operate a couple of heavy lifters like cranes and forklifts, and the precision jobs are the most fun to do.
Max total weight in Sweden is 64 tons if you have the right combination of truck and trailers. Volvo's highest engine output at the moment is 750 HP and Scania's latest trucks can have up to 770 HP! That's 50% more than most ordinary US and Canadian trucks. But as they haul 50% more cargo it is only a natural thing.
Travemünde not far from Lübeck on the Baltic Sea. In densely populated Germany, these double length trucks are not allowed. They are only allowed to drive on a few routes as an exception. But it doesn't make much sense here because the trucks can't drive through the narrow cities and couldn't unload. Therefore, the double lengths are then divided into two units.
Those EuroCombi Trucks are a fairly new concept in Europe. In Germany they are restricted to a crossweigth of 44 tons, while in the Scandinavian countrys and in the Nedtherlands 60 tons are legal. During the testing phase they also were restricted to just a few routes they could travel in Germany.
@@darkiee69 Quite correct, that rest period can include a decent sit down meal, drinks & often entertainment in the bar. Watch TV, then sleep in a cabin, refreshed for the next day.
@@ripvanwinkle2002 I wounder what takes less fuel. Truck. or a truck on a ship.. while. lest calculate it. Hansa-class ferry have total of 23MW of power with a top speed of just over 21knots. Say they are typically running 18 knots at 60% power that is about 414kWh per km traveled with a average efficiency of 50% so that is 828kWh of fuel and that is about 82liters of fuel per km. A Swedish truck use about 0,4liters of fuel per km. Now Hansa class carry more than one truck. Those ferries is pretty much mostly trucks. It says 3380 lane meter, so that would be. With a rought 24 meter per truck that would be about 140 trucks, giving it a fuel consumption of about 0.17liter/km of truck carried. (give or take 40 trucks depending on actual size and how many lane meters can actually be used. We are not done yet. The truck and the ferries is not going the same rout. The ferry needs about 250km to get from Germany to Sweden. The truck would need an additional 281km or 450km depending on what Denmark route they would take (the one with no ferry, or the one with 40 minute ferry), that would give the truck an total extra of 212 liters to burn. We are still not quite done yet. Assuming a 60% load factor on the ship and also adding the additional 20% for driving throw Denmark that don´t allow Swedish trucks the total calculated fuel consumption would be 70 liters for the ship and 254 liters for the truck via Denmark. That is like €500 worth of fuel. Just checked Finnlines booking. To carry one 12 meter long truck as a consumer at that route would cost you between €180 and €350. And i bet the companies that drives every day have very beneficial contracts. So i would speculate between €200 and €250. It also worth saying that truck fuel diesel cost like €2/liter, while ship run on fuel with much lower tax, so it cost about €1:30 or there about. Also worth saying that Finnlines got shipes going directly to Helsinki. That takes 27 hours. But its still cheaper than trucking all the way, quite a lot so. And in that case they probobly just send one truck driver with a larger number of trailers just to monitor them during the trip.
@@matsv201 literally not the point.. its a false premise in the first place the environmental crap.. if the world was going to end because of what humans put in the air it would have died in the 16-1800s.. when every country and every house was burning everything for nearly every reason..
You can drive from Germany to Denmark and then over the Öresund bridge to Sweden if you want to. Oh, and Scania now has a 770hp V8, so I think I'd go with that. Just started to take the driver's license for these behemoths, gonna be a lot of fun! Sweden and Finland have different rules as to how long a truck and trailer can be, compared to most of rest of Europe. Also a few of our main roads are classed for a maximum of 74 tonnes, most larger roads are classed for 64 tonnes. And yes, the station wagon was a Skoda Octavia. 👍🏻
They are not allowed to drive through The Netherlands and Germany with 60 tons though. The go with maximum 40 tons through those countries, and then connect a dolly in Sweden, to hook up an extra trailer. They backing in to a bay is part of you getting your license in Europe. If you fail to do that at your exam, you wont get your license. So basically every driver here is capable to back in to a bay. Not all Scania's have a V8, only from a certain amount of horswpower they switch from a L6 to a V8. Weight is different per country and depends in certain countries also on how many axles you have. And sometimes even where your truck is registered. For example a Norwegian licensed 3 axle tractor plus 3 axle trailer can go up to 60 tons total weight, where if a Dutch licensed truck with the same configuration goes to Norway it is only allowed 47 tons total weight. Lot of rules in Europe.
the maximum weight in Sweden is 64t but we have also started with roads that you can drive with 74t and the maximum length is 24m but there is an exception that you can be a 25.25m car doylly taller
I have heard that they even "delay" the ferries so the drivers can get some deserved rest. Not sure it is true though - it sounds nice, so I want to believe it! :)
Im guessing that has to do with legal reasons, a daily rest period must be 9h (shortened). So if the ferry stops at 8h, the trucks can only drive off the ferry, and have the rest of the rest-period in the harbour. That would take up some space! Dont take my word for it, I drive domestic. So I dont have to follow the rules in the same way they have to follow it.
It's actually quite true. The drivers need an uninterrupted rest period, meaning if the drive the truck on and start their rest (which is most efficient for them), they cannot drive of until the period ends or they restart their rest period, sitting at the docks taking up space and/or having to plan for the rest around the ferry, so the total solution is to slow the ferries down, saving the environment and cost in less fuel burned for the ferry company, and have the trip be a full rest period. That's efficient for all involved.
I belive there is an exception where you are allowed to break the daily rest but only for boarding and departing the ferry and it is like max an hour or so totalt for both on and off the ferry and you must select that "ferry mode" in the tachograph
The trucks are Dutch .They deliver vegetables, probably produced in The Netherlands. They sport the Dutch and Swedish flag on their trucks, to they probably are specialised in transportation from The Netherlands to Sweden.
@@tanelpolts7257 yepp. i guess you never worked as a international long haul trucker. 40-44t is max gross, some other party states and countries have more or less. switzerland had 36 max gross up until 2011.
@@MrBopet well son, I've driven a truck to places you've never heard of, 33 countries in Europe and Asia by the time I had had enough of driving for a living. EU is 40 tons but many countries have their own limits. For example here in Estonia it's 52 tons but across the bay in Finland it's 74.
I bet it feels a bit more special and nice when you're hauling multiple trucks with your buddies / collegues, maybe have a dinner and beer at the ferry, and drive together to the destination.
Probably not a beer when trucking unless it’s right before a long rest - Swedish drink driving laws set the BAC limit at about 0.02%. But yeah, driving in convoy must really take the edge off the isolation.
In South Africa maximum rig length is 22meters But because of the American truck the rig length is 20meters They made provisions for the engine to sit in front of the rig taking up 2meters
The ferries from Germany to Sweden doesn’t need to take 9 hours, but they go intentionally slow, partly to save the environment and fuel, but also so that the driver gets a full nights rest and are read to start fresh when they arrive!
Finnlines Travemünde - Malmö does take 9 hours. It was a Finnlines ferry in the video.
Going from Rostock (Germany) to Trelleborg (Sweden) takes about 6 hours, depending on weather and direction. It counts as a full rest (11 hours) for the drivers because they are resting in a cabin on the ship in a "proper" bed and with access to facilities and not in the cab of the truck.
There is a few different ferries from Germany to Sweden. Most travled is the one in Travemünde and Sassnitz. But there is also one in Rostock, and possibly one or two more.
The one in Travemünde takes typically 9 hours, and they are traveling fairly quickly.
The one in Sassnitz can take as short as 4 hours, but during nights they usually does it in 7 hours.
The reason why they are using the Travemünde is two fault. Firstly they can do a full its much closer to Netherlands. A truckdriver can drive all the way from Netherlands to Travemünde in one shift, with probobly a hours to spare. To Sassnitz you are not getting in one shift. Annoyingly it will probobly take about 10 hours and 30 minutes to go there (driving time). Being just out of range.
The other reason is of cause that the 9 hour trip time will give a full night of legal rest. The actual of time is longer than 9 hours. Probably closer to 10.
There is also a third reason. With Finnlines they can go directly to Malmö in steed of Trelleborg . It cuts of about 30-40 minutes of truck time inside of Sweden putting them directly on the highway in steed of smaller roads outside of Trelleborg. This way they can reach about 85% of the populated area in Sweden in one day. And they can easily go to Gothemburg and back the same day. They can probobly cover 25% or Norway with the same route.
@@matsv201 25% of Norway (in terms of land mass) seems a bit... Optimistic...
25% of the population however?
I can believe that...
@ If a ferry uses 9 hours, means it could go faster and doesn't Need to take 9 hours.
Why it shouldn't go faster: Same reason why good truck drivers barely need to use the brake pedal.
The guy strapping down the load forgot to smack the strap and say "that aint going anywhere"
He did in his head..😅😅
*nodding intensifies*
It’s the most critical part of loading!
Whenever I heard that I would reply yes it's going to "insert destination"!
Only Americans that say soo...
My HGV driver trainer told me "we get paid to reverse into tight loading bays, anyone can drive one forward". That is so true, it was the hardest part to master.
mine too in 🇨🇿 and the same about highway, so I spent most my training in my historical hometown😉after that I knew everywhere else its gonna be breeze😃still hate Prague😃
Norwegian winter roads challenges your loading bays to a battle!
Its not to hard reversing a double hinged box trailer. But The trippel hinged is really a pain.
Sure, but I imagine you also need to have the mindset to be comfortable doing nothing but driving long distances while living in your cramped truck. Not everyone is cut out for that.
Is it hard to drive forward? Genuinely I wanna learn but I dunno if I can do it?
These trucks are dutch , from netherlands . They bring vegetables and flowers , even meat . Travemunde is a big ferry port from europe to scandinavia . Several ferrys departs from germany every day . Nice channel by the way ! My brother is a truckdriver since 1969 and he stoppet driving last year due to healthproblems . I'll recomend this channel to him !
I come through there at least once a month haha
We swedish people also love to take the travemunde ferry if we live in south sweden since the beer is like 1/3 of the cost
No Meat by JP. Vis
I hope your bro will get well soon, best wishes to him.
@@TruckSpotterDronten Now the obvious question: how about fish?
5:43 - Yes, that is Octavia combi, by the looks of the headlights it is 1st generation pre-facelift... really old one (2000s most likely)
And still going strong.
Yes, and the fuelstation is in Klevshult, Sweden. Only cars fuels up where the Skoda stands. Truckfuel is located a bit further away.
After facelift.
It's facelift,pre-facelift has smaller headlights...
prefacelift has more square lights and smaller "air intake" holes in the fender/bumper, facelift lights are lower on the outside. But they are so similar that despite prefacelift is in my family a checket images in google to be sure :D Very good car, especially with 1,6 mpi engine.
"JP Vis" is the name of the owner of the company. "& Zn" means "and son". The Skoda is a Skoda Octavia Combi from around '00. Quite commonly bought back then.
It's mk1 octavia facelift,it can be from '00 up to '10 ;)
I live in Sweden and I've seen those exact trucks already a couple of times. I've also seen the process on the ferries many times because I've traveled frequently between Germany and Sweden. Really interesting to see. Fun fact: I've studied in södertälje. The university was located right to Scanias offices. They are based in södertälje and that's also the reason why there is a university so people can practice at their facilities and start working there. A friend of mine, who shared a flat with me during that time is now working at Scania. I will actually visit him next week.
Fun fact, the scania factory in södertälje is on exit 143
05:10 The forklift was loading some sort of paper products. The markings on the gods said Skärblacka which is a large paper mill outside of Norrköping.
In Finland we can have 34,5metres long combinations (check HCT Finland), 76tonnes max gross, and with some exceptions over 100 tonnes.
Sweden got similiar rules but 32,5 meter long is quite rare
Both Scania and Volvo are Swedish brands
That company name J.P Vis & Zn means, and sons.
The weird thing is in the Netherlands if Mr. Vis only has daughters they never mention that in a company name like J.P. Vis & Dochters.
Those weird Dutch people😅
curtainsider trailers are very popular here in UK/Europe rear entry only not so common, with a curtainsider trailer you have to careful in the wind if you take the curtain out of one end to unload it and the wind catches hold of the curtain, you run the risk of the curtain pole smacking you in the face ,while only aluminium (correct English spelling), and covered with the tarpaulin curtain it hurts and you will see stars for a minute or 2 ,it happened to me twice, i was lucky no nose bleeds as a result, its F**K that hurt :) :), Scania over Volvo here :) :)
JP Vis & Zn is a common naming convention in the Netherlands for trucking companies.
JP Vis are initals and a last name.
Zn means "and son"
More like JP Fish and Son
@@Taivar007 Flauw :p
You could drive to Sweden from Germany if you pass into Denmark then cross Öresundsbron from Copenhagen to Malmö. But the ferry is a better choice because that is a good time for the truck driver to get some mandatory sleep and it is faster i am guessing.
5:45 Yes. It's a Skoda. I was lucky enough to have one as a fleet car for a couple of years. It was the Skoda Octavia with 1.6 litre diesel. I would easily drive it at 60+ mpg and when I really put my mind to it I'd get 80+ mpg on my 1 hour each-way commute to work. It was also the most comfortable car I've ever driven. I'm a pretty big guy (250lb and barely an ounce of muscle 😂) but I'd easily do a 500 mile trip without a break. And when I did have to stop it would be mother nature urging me to stop, not discomfort from the seats.
Those are UK MPGs, right?
PS. British gallon is bigger, so numbers are higher
The Volvo vs Scania thing has existed for a long time precisely as the eternal Chevy vs Ford battle, but being that Volvo and Scania are both swedish and are my two favourites i tend to say Volvo and Scania vs everyone else personally.
Also, sidedoor trailers and curtainside trailers (You can probably guess what those are from the name) are really common here, as it allows a forklift to easily acces half of the load on one side, and the other half on the other side. It just makes things easier for everyone.
I remember when Scania came out with their V8. Then it was really a heavy hauler.
double or quad palette forks do wonders cutting loading times
These trucks are from a dutch company. I love the design - the 3 stripes resembling the dutch flag ending in the swedish flag...and yes, you've been right with the skoda at the swedish gas station. In Germany it's a maximum (truck, trailer and load) of 40 tons, in Sweden and in the netherlands it's a maximum of 60 tons.
And the reason they do the truck/dolly thing in Sweden is to save fuel - two trucks pulling uses less fuel than three.
The continental max length is also shorter than what's permitted in Sweden.
In Sweden there is total 64 ton. It got bumped up a couple of years ago. We compete with Finland.
Isn't it 44 tons?
@@markm-ci6rj It's 40, but 44 is in special situations also right. That fact I din't know.
@@Brauiz90 It is 44 ton in UK on six axles
I have been a service engineer and been traveling a lot in Sweden, I have seen a lot of combinations of trucks Even seen a combination of tractor with a 40 ft trailer and hooked up to a dolly with another 40 ft trailer a few times probably about 32-33 meters altogether. Just saw this: Furthermore, the BK4 road network in Sweden is now included in the overview. BK4 is a limited and specially adapted road network for trial runs with high-capacity truck trains of up to 74 tonnes and 34 metres
Well if you get out of the main roads where they haul timber in Sweden seeing a 74 ton load on some gravel road is not too uncommon...
Best you visit Australia then. Road train limit is 53 metres in length I believe and you often see 3 trailers on the highway and 4 sometimes in the right areas. In excess of 100 tons at times. Legendary stuff indeed
The difference between a trucker and a Berufskraftfahrer? The Berufskraftfahrer is able to drive backwards with his lorry and trailer.
Love how raw your videos are! (:
Makes you look human like the rest of us.
Thanks for the great content and keep it coming (:
F1, Trucks, rally
whatever has a motor and im in ;)
ps. also currently a forkliftoperator (: for the biggest tire export warehouse in the nordics
I work in Stockholm harbour, and part of the job is working with the lorries going over to Finland. It’s pretty interesting how normal the double trailers start seeming - we refer to them as “long long”, while single trailers are thought of as “half long”. Most of the ones I’ve seen don’t have a separate dolly, though, instead having a sliding bogie on the front trailer that slides out with an extra fifth wheel so the second trailer can hook directly to the first.
That's whats called a link combination wich I personaly think is a idea from the devil himself
@@bernthardemalm6167 I know the technical term - but just as people in the industry call all ships “boats” and containers “cans”, we don’t tend to use the formal terms for double trailers. ;-)
They’re great, though. Twice the capacity for essentially the same emissions.
The Netherlands is a very small country in Europe, but BIG in transport 💪
Yes and the best drivers !
First time I've seen this channel but I really enjoyed the video. Thank you :)
Reference the reversing onto loading docks. having driven trucks with dolly trailers I found the longer the dolly trailer the easier they are to put onto a dock.
The one I drove was only rated at 32 metric tonnes as I carried pallets of crisps and bubble wrap back. It still had 430bhp which was OK unless the wind was too strong but after 50mph I would park up to avoid being blown over.
The station wagon is a 20ish year old Skoda Octavia. I think these were the early days of Skoda using a VW platform
This was fun to watch, as I work in that harbour in Malmö.
Recently I noticed that JP VIS is not “reassemble” their trailers anymore. What I heard was that the company was hefty fined as it was illegal to do so.
Also it seems that JP VIS was sold to some company I don’t recal the name of.
Very friendly drivers. They appreciated that we took their trailers to a lesser busy area in the harbour, so they could safely “do their stuff”.
I think it’s been sold to Hartman
In Sweden we refer to theese kind of carrigaes as 'module systems'. In Sweden we have three different types of theese. The third module type not seen on this clip is the Link-system. To clarify about the two different types of carriages seen on this clip:
-The Volvo is a cabinet truck. The dolly (with only a turn table/fifth wheel) is hooked on to the back of cab truck -and the dolly hook up on to the kingpin of EU-type trailer. (The small EU types pulled by the EU single axle trailer pullers.)
-The Scania is a trailerpuller. It hooks up to the king pin of a regular sized EU-trailer. And the trailer hooks up to cab dolly unit. (The truck is pulling two trailers.)
Theese module systems are allowed to be 25,25 meters (82,84 ft) long in Sweden.
The standard length of a standard cabinet truck -with a cabinet carriage (no deatachable dolly) has a legnth od 24 meters (78.74 ft).
The abbreviation "& Zn" means "and sons". Zn is short for "zonen" which in turn is plural for "zoon" or son.
It's a Skoda Octavia with Danish registration . The nine hours ferry crossing is very handy for the drivers. They can have their minimum daily rest on board in a comfortable cabin with facilities and good food. Twice a week they can have the minimum uninterrupted rest, normal will be eleven hours without breaks. In Sweden and soon in Denmark too, 34 meter long jumbo trucks will be legal. Total weight between 56 and 64 tons ( one ton = 1.000 kg) so engine power is required to make them run uphill on the special road grid, where they can drive legally. Max. speed is 89 km/h on motorways/highways, country roads 70 km/h. In Germany the max. length of a semi truck/trailer is 16.5 meter and total-weight is 40 t on five axles. In Denmark the standard semi truck/trailer is also 16.5 m , but on seven axles and 56 t. Truck/trailer is max. 18.75 m with a 4 axle truck and a 3 axle trailer or a 3 axle truck with a 4 axle trailer. Most popular in DK are Scania and Volvo, but MAN, Mercedes, Iveco and DAF are also in the game. Ford is on its way back to the market with a Turkish build semi truck.
you will also notice European drawbar hook ups are different than the US / North American ones, here we dont need those extra chains that you guys have, this is because once balled in the trailer can not jump free because of how the hitch is designed as it drops through the eye of the trailer draw-hoop, in addition the hitch unit on the pulling unit, (rigid truck or lead trailer) can rotate through 360 degrees and uses a ball to allow pitch movement of the towed item
It’s a Dutch company, they start in the Netherlands and they drive via Germany to Sweden
Yes and the have Germany to take to Sweden. As the video said in Netherlands they are allowed to drive that long as in Sweden.
@@flashback0994 Why they go through Germany is they get rest on the ferry. Denmark have started to allow longer trucks.
@@magnusE7 to get to Denmark from the Netherlands we still have to go through Germany.
the skoda vagon is the first gen oktavia.
from what I have seen so far most car-parts deliveries in Germany are done using "Curtain-Siders".
Since you said you used to work as a Forklift-man I wonder does the industry in the US not use those
I am at the same place right now with my daf as they were in the clip where they "looked beautiful togheter".
thye mid-axle drawbar and straight truck is a 40 tonne outfit. the rigid truck with the 45ft trailer behind, thats the 60 tonne truck. at the time of filming the original video, Germany and Holland did not permit 25.25m trucks. the artic with the 45ft semi trailer and shorter mid-axle trailer is also a 60tonne truck.
Well, in Sweden neighbour country Finland we drive 68 - 76 tons 34,5 meter long, 11 - 12 axles HCT-trucks with 2 trailers and maybe one dolly. B-train is just a "trailer" behind the truck for us. And there is not just few roads where you can drive, you can drive free where you need to drive. The exceptions are cramped city centers etc, where the maximum length is usually only 12m.
Well, actually we do have this sort of truck&trailer combinations in Germany too. The difference is, that they are limited to preselected routes and the dolly axle has to be steerable. That's what I know, maybe somebody might correct me :)
They’re also only allowed to carry 44t which kinda defeats the purpose for general trucking and only helps lightweight cargo like postal and pharmaceuticals
I just looked it up, these LZV's (which stands for Lang Zwaar Vervoer in Dutch, or Long Heavy Hauling in English, which are the trucks with 60 metric tons of total weight) are also allowed in Germany and in Denmark, which means that they could drive all the way from Rotterdam to Sweden by using the Oresund bridge. However I think they use the ferry because A the toll for the Oresund bridge is quite high, and B on the boat they can make distance while sleeping.
Germany only allows up to 44 metric tons. In the Netherlands we are allowed to have 50T already on a normal combination and up to 60T on a LZV.
No they can't. Germany has a max of 40ton total also for the long ones
@@martintabor539 Ok, I thought that I read that somewhere. However several people have corrected me now, so I must be wrong!
@@martintabor539 44T if they have enough axles. But still way less then allowed in the Netherlands and Denmark.
@@quickwimnl i looked it up 44ton is only for rail/road transport incl containers. Everything else is 40ton, normal truck and trailer/combi and the 25m ones as well
VOLVO and SCANIA made in SWEDEN 👍👍👍
at 2.12 the white Scania that gets of the boat belongs to a former colleague of mine.
5:41 yes, thats a Skoda. Part of the VW-Audi group. platform shares with things like the A4 and Passat models bu Audi and VW
Back in the 90'ties I had an office facing a warehouse on the other side of a yard, and I could be sitting in my chair and admire the truck drivers maneuver their trucks, sometimes it was almost unbelievable what they managed to do and how they could get their trailers both in to the yard and also out on the road again, really impressive work
I did the same in the 90’s. Amazing skills to be able to back in with trailers around corners in tight warehouse courtyards.
The largest European freight forwarder comes from Budapest in Hungary, owns 4303 trucks and 5826 drivers and is on the road throughout Europe.
wow, that's a lot of trucks.
Not anymore, girteka from Lithuania has around 8000 trucks
there is a direct route from that German port to Helsinki in Finland, it takes 30 hours, its a long way and faster than using the road.
Looks like the return load is paper bales from Skärblacka pulp factory outside Norrköping. Been there a few times, they're a customer of my employer.
Side loading doors are versatile, both dry and chilled can be carried using same unit, making them more flexible for the operators, truck weights can vary in the EU, typically though the Dutch will use heavier along with Sweden and other Nordic countries.
France has upped its limit to 44tonnes same as the UK.
i travelled to greece many times and that also goes by ferry.
we boarded in ancona italy and unbourded in partas.
the crossing takes about 24 hours.
my compagnies drives mosly daf, but also mercedes and m.a.n..
the combinations you see in the video are also alowed in the netherlands.
max 25.25 meters and 60 tons, but as you sad, not in germany but for driving them you have to do extra training to get a drivers licence to be alowed to drive them
As a short note from a Swedish trucker. The rigs you showed are not the largest we have around here. Normal rigs are 25,25 meters long and allowed to weigh in at 74 tonnes. With special purpose built trailers you are allowed to be up to 32 meters long and weigh 96 tonnes. These trucks are mostly seen carrying timber up in the northern parts and are restricted to certain routes due to their high axel load and large turn radius. The normal 25,25 meter rigs are composed of a truck (holds 6 rows of pallets), a dolly and then a regular semitrailer (holds 11 rows). Set up this way the turn raidus is kept to a minimum allowing us to go almost anywhere you would take a "standard" 16m & 44 tonnes (maximum total lenght of truck and trailer) semitrailer. It takes a bit of getting used to backing up with the double jointed setup but is usually no problmes to learn, the longest combinations are mostly restriced by the need for room to stretch out prior to backing up.
5:11 I read the label on the boxes saying Skärblacka and realized thats only half an hour from where i live. Small world huh!
Cargo's probably paper from Skärblacka papperfactory. Thanks for the video!
01:18 Tires 295 / 80 R22,5 but lifted extra singel tire can be even 465 ! mm/ 65 R22,5 wide ( 18 inch wide ) .
Many of these farrys also transport passengers. We used them to go from travemünde to trellbourg but now the new Rostock Visby Ninesham ferry is way faster for us (and cheaper sinc only 1 ride and not two)
I thought side loading was pretty much standard. A lot are curtain sided and sometimes you see the load has shifted and bulged out the curtain.
No most terminals are not designed to accept them and you want them backing up so you can inflate the cusions around the lorry so you dont let all the heat out of the terminal during the winter.
@@nukkinfuts6550 thats with food stuff yes, thats why you see them dock when they unload. They load non food back to NL and for non food its pretty standard
Kudos to you for flipping the headphones the right way around! 👏🏻
yes, that is Skoda Octavia
The station Wagon is a Skoda Octavia 1st Gen. Currently there is 4th Gen on the market.
You have a nice and cozy channel. Really enjoy your energy and positive vibe :)
One of the reasons is probably the dmg the heavy weight does to the Autobahn since as you know we can drive pretty fast on it the road is usually heavy maintained so road damages are usually fixed pretty quickly on unrestricted areas and trucks already are the biggest reason why we have so much road work going on (as Someone from NRW I know it all too well) which would mean a lot more traffic jams thx to construction areas on the Autobahn
@@godsofold not happening. at least not that low. Since the automobile industry in Germany owns the CSU (leading Bavarian party), they have a foot on speed limits. 100kph will only ever happen termporarily, but i can't see anything below 150kph as a general long term limit.
heavily maintained? i guess you never worked on the autobahn. Construction that takes 20+ years, old roads that are so bumpy you relocate half your cab when driving anything above 80kph. Also, our trucks are limited in europe to 56mph/89kph.
traffic jam on the autobahn can take half a day to clear up, specially when there is an accident involved.
Ask me how i know (10 years international transport sweden-germany-italy)
There is a bridge up through Denmark to get across the strait, so they could drive there but the ferry is cheaper and faster IIRC (especially depending on where their stops are)
The station wagon or estate as we would say, was a Skoda Octavia (98-05 model)
And they get rest. If they go through Denmark they need to stay and sleep. Now they can go straight from Trelleborg to Stockholm with one 45 minutes break. If driving through Denmark they need to take rest in Copenhagen for nine hours. And they need to be three drivers. Now three drive to Travemünde one take of one trailer and the ferry drive the trailer on the ferry and in Trelleborg two drivers change the trailers around so they are 25,25 meters. In Germany they only can be 18 meters.
@@magnusE7 nope, 25.25 is allowed in germany on special routes. JP VIS transits daily on the A1(vechta up to travemunde) from the NL . only restriction is weight 40t max.
@@MrBopet then they still go by three trucks to travemünde because 40T max is not much.
Hint: the yellow numberplate is a sign of the NETHERLANDS ... and the "red-white-blue" stripes (Netherlands) and "yellow-blue" cross (Sweden) are the flags of the countries they move to and fro.
You can take the Finnlines ferry as a passenger too. Nice relaxing atmosphere. Good food.
Provided one loves salmon and salmon and more salmon :)
Just fyi: In germany there was a discussions about these 60t trucks called "Gigaliners" and it ended with Germany not allowing these Gigaliners due to the damage to the roads these 60t at once do in comparison to the allowed max 40t per truck.
We have a total weight limit of 74 metric tonnes as for now in Sweden. And I believe Finland have the same regulations. Depending of wehicle combination. Max Length in Sweden is 25,25 meters if you are using a dolly as seen in this vid. We do have carriers with the length of 32 meters. They are not that common and quite regulated depending on the stretch they travel between.
finland has up to 110t
@@MrBopet should come to aus, we pull big boy weights in the mines
In Finland we have total weight limit of 76 metric tonnes and max length 34,5m.
@@adamcarver6690 in mines yes, you have a lot more room to do that, this is on the public roads so you cant compair the 2
@@larsmeijerink5471 we also run quads on public roads. A lot of mine sites need road trains to run on public roads to shift the ore.
in germany, there was a projekt to test those 60t trucks. But the road damage was to big, because there mostly not build for this weight.
They still in use, but not allowed on every road
These Gigaliners, as we call them, are restricted to certain federal states and certain routes in Germany, mostly between big logistics hubs. They are not very common, because people fear (or are made to fear) their length, which people here are not accustomed to. 18,75m to over 25m is a pretty big jump and driving next to such a wall leaves not everyone very comfortable. Also they don't fit in our narrower street network that well, hence the route restrictions.
One point that was not mentioned to the full yet: These Gigaliners are not allowed to weigh more than 44 tonnes in Germany (other states in Europe have different regulations), because the infrastructure is not built to handle more weight on a regular basis.
i used to work at volvo australia building the trucks the 770hp tri drive trucks for mining in australia even on roads towing a roadtrain nothing comes close from the factory the only draw back is the use a 24v system as opposed to the 12v system in most other trucks but the converter allows you to still use all your normal electronics a fantastic truck so comfortable and the power the low down torque is amazing.
One company here in the UK tried to introduce the road train with a few trucks. The authorities came down on them hard and he had to scrap the idea.
Britain loves rules.
I've taken most of the ferry routes between Sweden and Germany dozens of times and have never not had at least 9 hours of rest!
Mind you the last time was ten years ago and the trucks I drove could always be driven with a magnet lol
Hi Ian. Love your video's, I'm a B-Double truck driver from Australia. I just watched your video American reacts to Australia trucks. When you get the chance to visit Australia you must travel the Hume highway between Sydney and Melbourne it's the busiest transport route in Australia. The road is roughly 900 kilometres long (560 miles) there are thousands of trucks travel that highway every day. Not to mention the sights you may see on the way. It would be well worth the drive.
their cargo on the way there was refrigerated fresh fruit and vegetables.
so these fridge combis have side doors that contain the wall insulation.
now they load unrefrigerated paper pulp as return freight so it is loaded with a forklift through the side doors .
this way the truck combinations remain multi-purpose.
You're doing a GREAT job by the way , posting those/your RUclips video's .
It's the same in areas here in Victoria, if a supermarket (Woolworth) truck b double has to go to any supermarket on Phillip Island they have to stop just off the bridge and split the trailers and take them across as single trailers and there is a curfew of around 6pm
Sounds like the bridge has a max weight allowed.
Also is now allowed in Germany to drive with these combinations. When this video was made by Iep van de Meer from Big Truck it wasn't. In the Netherlands is it also allowed for years to drive with 25,25 meters.
Germany has been moving towards allowing these 25m combinations over the past years already, but as of now, they are only allowed on a few selected routes. I've definitely seem some of them on the A4 and A9 highways in the past.
I think Germany already allows it on the major highways but I'm not sure. The video he is watching is 5 years old so pretty outdated. I think there are companies already that drive the full length to Sweden with 25m trucks.
The trucks are 2500 meters long. They drive head to tail and fill up the right lane - and then there are the "Elefantenrennen" Elephant races, where one or more trucks are passing the others with 1 km/h speed difference.
@@erik_dk842 I know this Elefantenrennen shit good enough. My first time driving on the Autobahn, I was sitting behind a truck at about 85 km/h (trucks are only allowed to go 80) and there was another truck overtaking me in the middle lane going just a little bit faster. But if you ask my driving teacher, I'm the bad driver when I try to overtake at anything less than 20kmh faster than whoever I want to pass...
@@erik_dk842 the real problem on the german highways are cars who drive 70 on the right lane. experience shows that overtaking trucks reduce the traffic jams. Also i drive 15000km a year in Germany and you know clearly nothing about speed. They never overtake with 1km difference. Also germany allowes 25m trucks but to a total wheight of 40ton so they are useless
@@larsmeijerink5471 If it's 1 or 3 km/h, they take forever, and the effin truck getting passed does not lower his speed even half a km/h to help the other overtaking. Since they are all going in the same direction anyway, couple them together and put them on rails.
Few notes.
You can drive from germany to Sweden via Denmark. There is Bridges the whole way. But talking the Ferry is more economical since the drivers get a "free" 9 hour rest. Specially since the third driver can turn around and skip Denmark.
All EU nation apart from Sweden and finland have 18m and 40ton limit. Sweden and finland got 25.25meter and 72ton limit respectively 84. Recently raised from 60.
The truck have a 6+6, 12 and 12 meter configuration in Germany while they got a 12+6 and a 6+12 in sweden (plus cab).
There also exist 102ton 32 meter trucks in both finland and Sweden. But they are only allowed on short certified routes.
Those trucks are still shy of the maximum allowed in sweden.
Sweden and finland is in a sence simular to Australia with huge distances between cities and some part having very little railroad (specially up north). Hence having very large truck make sense.
Also going on truck on ferries is really common. While there are landroutes everywhere around the baltic. Truck ferries are very common.
Fun fact. There are no hight restriction on trucks in sweden. Non what so ever. But if a bridge is over 4.5meter, there is no warning sign.
I drive for a huge spedition company called frigoscandia/bring, me my boss and another guy start louding the trucks at 5 in the morning, i dont own a drivers license for the trailer though only the truck, but my friends combo is 4.5 high and 24 long yesterday he had 150 pallets on his combo wheight was around 60 tonnes, freezed and cooled stuff, my truck takes 21 pallet positions and they planned 25 positions for me on monday so it will be a long they i think
Vis , it is a Dutch company . We go max length of 25,25 meter and 60 metric ton total weight .
5:43 yes, that is indeed a Skoda Octavia, an older model to be exact
Cargo could be beer. How folks in Europe buy beer is very confusing. The Norwegians buy their beer in Sweden. The Swedes buy their beer in Denmark. The Danes buy their beer in Germany. The Germans buy their beer in Checkoslovakia. The Checks used to go to Russia, but I am not sure they do that anymore.
Quite often it is THE SAME BRAND. It is just cheaper on the other side of the border.
and a lot of it is brewed in Belgium (even the really cheap ones you think are eastern european... for example Hopvill and Buval sold in Aldi is brewed really close to where I live and they brew around 400 million liters of beer per year from non alcoholic up to 17% where most of that went to Russia until recently... and that's 'only' the 2nd largest brewery in Belgium)
Checkoslovakia? That beer would be not good anymore. But the Czech Republic has great beer. Slovakia probably too. But Germans still buy mostly German beer. I like some ales from Ireland and UK from time to time as well.
@@DontPanick Yea iam German and all of my coworkers have a cult like obsesion with there fav german beer brand.
Well me too xD
@@DontPanick ah, sorry, my mistake! I am an old fart and sometimes view the world as it was "before". :/ The beer IS very good, no matter what!
This is awesome i do the exact same work as this. I know lots of people that drive for JP vis
4:00 the manoeuvring would be scary as an unexperienced driver, but i think also the most fun part. I work in heavy industry and operate a couple of heavy lifters like cranes and forklifts, and the precision jobs are the most fun to do.
My Dutchy Friend works at JP Vis for years now, driving his Scania and a also the Volvo :-) great machines.
the 60ton is the gross weight so the payload will be in the region of 40tons (metric) approx. (88,000lbs)
When I drove trucks in Canada we had 1 artic trailer and a dolly with another trailer. They were called the super 8.
Max total weight in Sweden is 64 tons if you have the right combination of truck and trailers. Volvo's highest engine output at the moment is 750 HP and Scania's latest trucks can have up to 770 HP! That's 50% more than most ordinary US and Canadian trucks. But as they haul 50% more cargo it is only a natural thing.
Travemünde not far from Lübeck on the Baltic Sea.
In densely populated Germany, these double length trucks are not allowed. They are only allowed to drive on a few routes as an exception. But it doesn't make much sense here because the trucks can't drive through the narrow cities and couldn't unload. Therefore, the double lengths are then divided into two units.
The Stationwagon at the Gasstation is a Skoda Octavia ( First Generation built from 1996 - 2010 )
Those EuroCombi Trucks are a fairly new concept in Europe. In Germany they are restricted to a crossweigth of 44 tons, while in the Scandinavian countrys and in the Nedtherlands 60 tons are legal. During the testing phase they also were restricted to just a few routes they could travel in Germany.
1:40 - They can drive from Germany to Sweden, you know, but taking the ferry it's probably less expensive. It's all about efficiency. 🙂
And it's 9 hours, so they get their rest period on the ferry and can drive 8 hours straight of the boat.
@@darkiee69 Quite correct, that rest period can include a decent sit down meal, drinks & often entertainment in the bar. Watch TV, then sleep in a cabin, refreshed for the next day.
environmentally friendly.. :face_with_rolling_eyes:
@@ripvanwinkle2002 I wounder what takes less fuel. Truck. or a truck on a ship.. while. lest calculate it.
Hansa-class ferry have total of 23MW of power with a top speed of just over 21knots. Say they are typically running 18 knots at 60% power that is about 414kWh per km traveled with a average efficiency of 50% so that is 828kWh of fuel and that is about 82liters of fuel per km.
A Swedish truck use about 0,4liters of fuel per km.
Now Hansa class carry more than one truck. Those ferries is pretty much mostly trucks. It says 3380 lane meter, so that would be. With a rought 24 meter per truck that would be about 140 trucks, giving it a fuel consumption of about 0.17liter/km of truck carried. (give or take 40 trucks depending on actual size and how many lane meters can actually be used.
We are not done yet. The truck and the ferries is not going the same rout. The ferry needs about 250km to get from Germany to Sweden. The truck would need an additional 281km or 450km depending on what Denmark route they would take (the one with no ferry, or the one with 40 minute ferry), that would give the truck an total extra of 212 liters to burn.
We are still not quite done yet. Assuming a 60% load factor on the ship and also adding the additional 20% for driving throw Denmark that don´t allow Swedish trucks the total calculated fuel consumption would be 70 liters for the ship and 254 liters for the truck via Denmark.
That is like €500 worth of fuel. Just checked Finnlines booking. To carry one 12 meter long truck as a consumer at that route would cost you between €180 and €350. And i bet the companies that drives every day have very beneficial contracts. So i would speculate between €200 and €250.
It also worth saying that truck fuel diesel cost like €2/liter, while ship run on fuel with much lower tax, so it cost about €1:30 or there about.
Also worth saying that Finnlines got shipes going directly to Helsinki. That takes 27 hours. But its still cheaper than trucking all the way, quite a lot so.
And in that case they probobly just send one truck driver with a larger number of trailers just to monitor them during the trip.
@@matsv201 literally not the point.. its a false premise in the first place
the environmental crap..
if the world was going to end because of what humans put in the air it would have died in the 16-1800s.. when every country and every house was burning everything for nearly every reason..
J.P. Vis & Zn is a Dutch trucking company. "& Zn" stands for "and Sons".
Gas station at 5:45 is a place i have spent many nights at, very common to see this fleet there at night :D
You can drive from Germany to Denmark and then over the Öresund bridge to Sweden if you want to.
Oh, and Scania now has a 770hp V8, so I think I'd go with that.
Just started to take the driver's license for these behemoths, gonna be a lot of fun!
Sweden and Finland have different rules as to how long a truck and trailer can be, compared to most of rest of Europe. Also a few of our main roads are classed for a maximum of 74 tonnes, most larger roads are classed for 64 tonnes.
And yes, the station wagon was a Skoda Octavia. 👍🏻
It's a Dutch company, and the total weight of the vehicle and trailer is 60tons, cargo weight is about 38 tons max
nope. 40t max. this combo can only legally load 24tonnes.
They are not allowed to drive through The Netherlands and Germany with 60 tons though.
The go with maximum 40 tons through those countries, and then connect a dolly in Sweden, to hook up an extra trailer.
They backing in to a bay is part of you getting your license in Europe. If you fail to do that at your exam, you wont get your license. So basically every driver here is capable to back in to a bay.
Not all Scania's have a V8, only from a certain amount of horswpower they switch from a L6 to a V8.
Weight is different per country and depends in certain countries also on how many axles you have.
And sometimes even where your truck is registered.
For example a Norwegian licensed 3 axle tractor plus 3 axle trailer can go up to 60 tons total weight, where if a Dutch licensed truck with the same configuration goes to Norway it is only allowed 47 tons total weight.
Lot of rules in Europe.
the maximum weight in Sweden is 64t but we have also started with roads that you can drive with 74t and the maximum length is 24m but there is an exception that you can be a 25.25m car doylly taller
I have heard that they even "delay" the ferries so the drivers can get some deserved rest. Not sure it is true though - it sounds nice, so I want to believe it! :)
That's often seen at nightferries
Im guessing that has to do with legal reasons, a daily rest period must be 9h (shortened). So if the ferry stops at 8h, the trucks can only drive off the ferry, and have the rest of the rest-period in the harbour. That would take up some space!
Dont take my word for it, I drive domestic. So I dont have to follow the rules in the same way they have to follow it.
@@planaproject Actually, most rest periods are required to be 'non-interrupted'. Not certain what the rules say about the daily rest, though.
It's actually quite true. The drivers need an uninterrupted rest period, meaning if the drive the truck on and start their rest (which is most efficient for them), they cannot drive of until the period ends or they restart their rest period, sitting at the docks taking up space and/or having to plan for the rest around the ferry, so the total solution is to slow the ferries down, saving the environment and cost in less fuel burned for the ferry company, and have the trip be a full rest period. That's efficient for all involved.
I belive there is an exception where you are allowed to break the daily rest but only for boarding and departing the ferry and it is like max an hour or so totalt for both on and off the ferry and you must select that "ferry mode" in the tachograph
J.P. Vis en Zn is a family name for the company, like J.P. Vis and Sons, it's a Dutch company.
Yep. In 5:43 it was Skoda Octavia 1st gen. Most common car in Czech rep.
The trucks are Dutch .They deliver vegetables, probably produced in The Netherlands.
They sport the Dutch and Swedish flag on their trucks, to they probably are specialised in transportation from The Netherlands to Sweden.
Weight limit in EU is 44tons max gross weight. Uk still follows this rule. Theres different catagories for heavier loads and speed restrictions apply
nope
@@tanelpolts7257 yepp. i guess you never worked as a international long haul trucker.
40-44t is max gross, some other party states and countries have more or less. switzerland had 36 max gross up until 2011.
@@MrBopet well son, I've driven a truck to places you've never heard of, 33 countries in Europe and Asia by the time I had had enough of driving for a living.
EU is 40 tons but many countries have their own limits. For example here in Estonia it's 52 tons but across the bay in Finland it's 74.
I bet it feels a bit more special and nice when you're hauling multiple trucks with your buddies / collegues, maybe have a dinner and beer at the ferry, and drive together to the destination.
Probably not a beer when trucking unless it’s right before a long rest - Swedish drink driving laws set the BAC limit at about 0.02%.
But yeah, driving in convoy must really take the edge off the isolation.
In South Africa maximum rig length is 22meters
But because of the American truck the rig length is 20meters
They made provisions for the engine to sit in front of the rig taking up 2meters