KMS Graf Zeppelin - Guide 194 (NB)
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2020
- The Graf Zeppelin, a never-completed carrier of the Kriegsmarine, is today's subject.
Read more about the Graf Zeppelin here:
www.amazon.co.uk/German-Warships-1815-1945-One-Surface/dp/B001W0OEJ0
www.amazon.co.uk/Aircraft-Carrier-Zeppelin-Schiffer-Military/dp/0887402429
Warship Volume VIII - Graf Zeppelin Pt1 and 2
The Design and Operational Purpose of the Graf Zeppelin - Marcus Faulkner
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
On the topic of this video, how effective do you think Graf zeppelin would have been had she been completed?
Why did the Japanese change the turret layout of their heavy cruisers starting from the Mogami?
35 knot goal speed for a pre-WWII carrier?? While I get 'faster than the other guy' has considerable advantages in naval warfare, why were carriers so determined to be such speed demons? I can appreciate the extra speed probably helps with launch and landing (though, if so, what about Escort carriers?), but at this point I half expected to find out people started painting the things red, in the hope that RED WUNZ GO FASTA... ;)
@@reiver9031 Remember a carrier was never supposed to be anywhere near enemy surface units; speed helps with that.
@@Pimpdaddy_payne Not very. One of the worst purpose-built carriers (or carriers in general) ever.
“With Goering having made off with the carrier squadrons for uses elsewhere...”
Knowing Goering, he probably ate them for a nice brunch.
Or put on a dress and flew around in the planes.
He ordered those squadrons scrapped and their material made into more and more medals and medallions for himself!
I never get tired of these jokes that remind of what a fat git Göring was :)
@@richardcline1337 YES!!!!!
Great jokes everyone! Thanks for the laughs. Pleasant way to end this evening. Good night.
"stability problems, even on the drawing board"
You mean the blue prints fell off?
Material shortages meant a lack of thumb tacks was in full effect 😂
That’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.
They were drunk.
The easel had one leg that was to short.
Ah, yes, the secondary guns attached to a ship.
Makes destroyers regret their life choices
When your strategy in boxing is to get in close so he can't use that big right cross. Then discover what a proper jab to the jaw can do.
@@christopherconard2831 i think this is the best metaphor i have ever heard .
It makes sense given the time period. Don’t forget that Akagi and Lexington both had 8 8” guns too.
I realise that, in this period, others were still messing with heavy guns in carriers.... but _casemate guns_ ?!
I've read that Goering said, "Everything that flies belongs to me." I imagine that would cause a little friction.
yeah... while the Allies might have had some interservice rivalries in their militaries, they were nothing compared to the open animosity between branches that plagued the militaries of the Axis nations, especially Germany and Japan.
@@danielkorladis7869 The worst of which was Japan's army and navy, where it actively interfered with operations. Army troops refused to sail on Navy transports for the Midway operation, insisting on using Army transports, as an example.
Are we sure Goering didn't mean to say 'everything that flies I eat'?Seems more likely he was referring to that.🤔
@@florinivan6907 That could be, but I did read somewhere that he said all aircraft belonged to him. I can't imagine the US Navy's air force would have worked under the control of the USAAF. the only thing they have in common is airplanes, but built for different purposes.
@@lawrencelewis8105 Several of the South American Navies owned the carrier, but the Air Force owned the aircraft. Immediate fight over whether the CO or CAG was in overall command. Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine would have had the same fight.
I read a VERY good book written by a German pilot that was assigned to the KMS Graf Zeppelin. Obviously he never actually flew from it but his unit fought literally on every front. The bizarre part is that Germany always assumed that one day they would be carrier based and never equipped them for normal ground based combat. They had to scrounge and steal all the equipment and trucks they needed.
The sorry saga of Kriegsmarine avionics.
I am surprised you didnt mention anything about the catapults and the closed hangars. Especially the catapult system was a very interesting feature of her.
Point to you. It appears the Germans merely re-tasked a sea plane catapult to carrier use. The RN, USN, and IJN would just fire up the aircraft to full throttle and fly 'em off the deck with no assist for half the aircraft.
he mentioned multiple redesigns. it was also suppose to have place where engines of few aircraft could be kept work for fast take off.
Catapults were the last suggested armament for the ship, but a wood shortage prevented them from being built.
Time constraints unfortunately, as and when o get around to talking about carrier equipment they'll feature a fair bit
HypertronDE and the belt armor
"Hans i have a great idea, we put a 109 on a carrier."
"You've been drinking again haven't you Gruber?"
"Maybe, but it's still a good idea"
"With that under carrage, no one will go for it."
KMS high command "I love it let's do it."
"Told you Hans."
"I should have volunteered for the eastern front."
Almost as silly as putting the Spitfire on a carrier. Oh wait...
The Wildcat/Martlet did pretty well, yes?
Hans and Gruber? Hans Gruber? Welcome to the party, pal!
@@mbryson2899 It was at least built with that purpose in mind. By the way, how well did the Seafires serve? Greg said in one video that a veteran pilot said the Spitfire's gear was barely adequate.
@@mbryson2899 Correct, Captain Eric 'Winkle' Browns autobiography (Wings on my sleeve) gives great detail on carrier operations with those planes against the Kuriers (FW200)
In fact it explains the genesis of most carrier ops and planes and the problems faced.
Goering was no fool.
He must have realized that if and when the carrier was ever completed, he would eventually lose control of its squadrons and their air operations to the Kriegsmarine .
The only thing he would be left with would be all the aggravation and huge expense that creating the Graf's "Sea Luftwaffe" component had caused him over the years.
They could just do what the UK does and make a fleet air arm
you're right...he was no fool....
he was a drug-addled cunning gluttonous narcissist
who threw in his lot with a delusional murderous psychopath...
@@tk-5268 From what I've heard (I'll say I'm not an expert now) Goering was of the opinion that anything involving air power was the Luftwaffe's and the Luftwaffe's alone. Including stuff like the ground troops assigned to protect air bases. Him trying to place a carrier under the Luftwaffe sounds like a logical extension of that mindest.
Naval Architect: “How many times are we gonna redesign her?”
Kriegsmarine: “Yes.”
German engineering in a nutshell.
To much smart people
"How many times are we gonna redesign her?"
"French pre-dreadnought times." :P
Today’s lesson: The Soviets are the only people with a confirmed kill on a Nazi aircraft carrier.
Wasn't she technically a Soviet carrier at that point?
a ship cant be a nazi , nor a communist.
@@thelvadam2884 ; Ask yourself what Germany was called at that point in time. Hope you realize how pointless your comment was.
@@FirstDagger Hmm... Germany ? Not sure, though.
People love using the word Nazi nowadays though, so much that most people totally forgot its meaning. Good example here.
@@Niitroxyde Nazi nowadays generally means anything Russian state propoganda minstry wants to try and smear.
Should have been named KMS Camel - after the famous line that a camel is a horse designed by a committee.
Actually, a camel is superbly adapted to its extreme theater of operations. Obviously not the work of a committee.
My father, who was stationed on the east coast of Iceland in a coast and antiaircraft artillery unit at the time, recalled their Christmas 1943 celebration being messed up by a report that the Graf Zeppelin might be at sea so they had to be ready.
What astounds me is that while GZ suffered the fate of nearly getting there, only to be held up at the goal line, the leadership thought "Hey, what if we take the almost complete Seydlitz and start to convert her to a carrier?" To which everyone hopefully thought "why when we have Graf Zeppelin sitting there nearly done?" and then went ahead and tried anyway, with predictable results.
It's almost like they put a procrastinator at work to do something else, and he came up with multiple carriers schemes, which he then never finished, to avoid doing the actual job.
"...who made off with it into the Baltic mists."
I'm curious, Is there any other ship in history that has generated so many "what if" theories, without even sailing?...
@Cpl. Rook no, this one has far too much fiction on it. The time period and the fact that it _almost_ sailed helped.
The Montana perhaps, specifically in Montana vs Yamato scenarios.
G3 and N3 designs probably a good candidate
i would say maybe the Sovyeitsky Soyuz class (projekt 23/24), something like a north Carolina mixed with a yamato, ive all ways wondered what if?
@Cpl. Rook No, it looks like he isn't joking.
there's a lot of interest in a ship that never fought as it was designed to fight. thanks for the info Drach.
Us old people who live in the USA were promised the metric system way back I. The fourth grade (1957) this of course never happened and on the rare occasion our terrific narrator mentions something like the 8” guns were replace with 155mm guns I’m kind of in the dark. So roughly speaking they went to about 6.1” guns? Love your channel and military history is my passion going back to antiquity.
as someone who didnt learn it until much later in life. to change mm into inches or vice versa either divide or multiply by 25.4 .
Hard to have a carrier when you don't have a naval air arm... thanks to the poster for the quality of the content. I have never seen so many photographs of this ship.
Drach love your videos. Wish my dad were still around, he served on USS Shangri La in the jet era, was big into naval history, and loved to read Alexander Kent novels. He'd be going through all your videos and loving it were he still here. Cheers.
No mention of the 2nd ship in the class, that is more deserving of the "(NB)" qualification being scrapped instead of launched.
One of the comments makes me curious what the deleted video was about, I suppose it was the USS Franklin video.
I've been binge watching these guides for the past few days now, absolutely love them! Would love to see IJN Yubari added to the list of guides to do
"Simulated" bomb hits? Aka, putting about 500lbs of explosives in the hangar deck and setting it off? Could the Reds not be bothered to actually drop a bomb on a stationary target?
Mot obvious case would be if they didn't have actual bombs, just some speculative idea and wondered how well it worked compared to bombs they already had and if it's worth developing...
Maybe setting them off in specific areas and later sending a crew in to observe the effects?
Soviet bombs were in metric. Same number, different weight unit. They would be testing bomb effects on target and not whether pilots can hit stationary ship or whether bombs do not break on impact.
They did in fact bomb her with IL-2s but it didnt sink, the hangar had some live ammo as to represent a working CV.
Then they scuttled her with some bombs on strategic locations.
Can't guarantee the plane will hit the target
At 5:40 that plane looks very happy!
Loving binge watching your content, is a perfect balance of dry history and dry British wit
Awesome addition to this fantastic series!
I have had seen a model of this ship in a technical museum in Germany.
Thanks for up loading this video whith the photos of the ship in the ship yard.
keep up the good work.
13 Seconds old when I saw it, First! Time to learn how powerful German Secondaries are in real life!
Love the guides, keep up the good work
Early in the process of building the GZ, there was an air arm developed and even ordered. Thus was the remarkable Fieseler Fi 167 created. Although it was obsolete by WW2, despite still being manufactured, it remains a fascinating aircraft, with remarkable flying capabilities.
The archaic Swordfish appeared obsolete before that but still put in a good performance in the Atlantic and Mediterranean for the entire war.
Noob here on ww2 naval history, thxs for shedding some history on this ship! More powers drach!
Enjoyed your WOW segment on SAVO :-)
As alwyays...so interestingly informative! Thanks!
A really great, informative video....thanks!
Can you imagine the freakout that would have happened if she had been completed, made oporational and somehow made it into the Atlantic? This would have dwarfed the reaction to the search for the Bismark.
Ship had astonishingly powerful machinery, which was about the most interesting thing about them
Drach, a week or so ago, you mention an incident of fratricide, between two BB 5"/38 mounts. I ran across a mention of it. BB-60's Mount #9 (aftmost stbd O-2 level) fired into Mount #5 (center stbd O-2 level).
Hope you get a chance to make videos of the French and Italian WW2 aircraft carriers too! They probably be as long as this video but still interesting to learn about!
It is interresting to say that YES the Kaiserliche Marine did some work on naval aviation outside the lighter than air Zeppelin. They have converted the light cruiser SMS Stuttgart in a seaplane tender in 1918 (they already have seaplane tender but converted from liner or marchant vessel and were to slow) and planned to convert the larger armored cruiser SMS Roon (the Stuttgart could carry only two seaplane). Furthemore they also have a project for an aircraft carrier, a conversion from an italian passenger steamer, Ausonia, as early as 1915 but the project really strated in 1918, to late.
I have to say, the way you ay "Flugzeugträger A" with the A in german instead of english pronounciation really is a nice touch to your videos.
Except, the ä was mispronounced ... while he pronounced it correctly with Raeder.
@@FirstDagger Hey, he at least tries. No one can pronounce a language correctly, if he doesn't speak it.
@@TheBlackob my spoken english is way better than his german
@@TheBlackob honestly I'm not 100% sure he did because it is possible that they didn't wrote Flugzeugträger with an "ä" back then but only with an "a".
@@Nonsense010688 "Flugzeugträger" has always been written with an "ä". To be fair, pronouncing letters that don't exist in your native language is always a challenge.
Nice one for the coffee break (this Saturday in Hungary happens to be on Friday:) - thus workday)
Ahh the tradition name "Graf Zeppelin" the imperial german Navy flew Zeppelins during WW1 , in WW2 the not completed Carrier "Graf Zeppelin" and when i served in 79/80 i was a "Marine" in the Marinefliegergeschwader 3 "Graf Zeppelin" (Naval air Wing 3 "Graf Zeppelin") equipped with Breguet Atlantic I, today the Graf Zeppelin Wing is equipped with P-3 Orion for the ASW/maritime Patrol role
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Really informative, sir. Would you be able to a video on the Köing class battleships?
You knew Drach would have to give at least a small dig to Bearn lol.
Ship Review Suggestion : The IJN Akizuki Class DD - Hatsuzuki
great synopsis of a forgotten corner of history. Would have loved more detail on those things covered in the carrier history, elevators, hanger deck heights, damage control, etc. . But in typical Nazi style, politics trumped technology.
Great video, thanks a lot! When on the subject of airplane carriers, how about covering the Swedish seaplane cruiser Gotland from the 1930's and WW2? Maybe an odd concept, a seaplane carrier of sorts. But she did serve her purpose, spotting the Bismarck going out to sea, triggering the British hunt that followed. Somehow the info got to the British, it seems... :-)
Raeder should have just said "eff this" and turn the hull over to Goering, so the Luftwaffe could have its own navy to go along with its panzer divisions and paratroops.
The Planes on all german Navy ships were in fact property of the Luftwaffe even the Bordfliegergruppen on cruisers or Battle ships and the Pilots were all Luftwaffe personal .
"Ultra high pressure turbines" "goal of 35 knots", yeah this ship would've had some problems, going by other KM ships trying to do ambitious things with not-quite-ready machinery.
*"I am Zeppelin. Even though I'd rather discard this name, for convenience's sake you can call me that. My wish? To destroy the world, and I am not going to ask for your help, because, you have long been part of it."*
I see a man of culture here)
@@maxxxenergy5239 second that
What's the source ? :)
@@gusty9053 something cultural that whooshed the rest of us :-(
@@gusty9053 azur lane, when you unlock Graf that is her dialogue
Mama Zeppelin and her *THICCNESS*
O , greetings person of culture. I salute you .
... it would be HIS thickness. The Graf (Count) Zeppelin is named after Ferdinand Adolf Heinrich August Graf Zeppelin, war hero, calvary officer, engineer (he actually drew up the plans for a good portion of the zeppelins himself!), father of the world's first aerospace corporation (which continues to hold the Zeppelin name to this day), father of the world's first AIRLINE, and beloved by the German people.
Oh, and he would have HATED Hitler.
@@TheTrueAdept Its a reference to the mobile game Azur Lane. Various World War 2 era warships are represented in an anthropomorphised fashion and for obvious reasons they are all female.
@@jameslee8100 from what I understand that was because the OTHER game is Pro-Imperialist incarnate. Still, Germans were more than willing to... upend tradition... when it came to giving ships gender designation depending on the name. For example, the Bismark had people refer to it as HIM and not HER.
@@TheTrueAdept I'd lick Bismarck as well.
I mean... the Azur Lane one, not that I want to dig the other one up or dive to the atlantic floor...
would love to see some video about river ship like President Masarik
The USS Block Island the only US Aircraft Carrier to be sunk in the Atlantic Ocean during WW2.
I had no idea about this.
So the bar wasn't that high to begin with. LOL. Don't change Drach!
You might be interested in doing an article on Adm. Bertrand Ramsey
Hi. Very interesting video. Can you please do a video about the Swedish submarine HMS Ulven witch struck a mine outside Göteborg
Interesting on how the ship od'd on port holes along with other ships of that time compared to today's design.
last time i was up this early , Seydliz was still holding a line of battle.
So early that Drach's usual pinned comment is no where to be seen
The Graf Zeppelin is at the bottom of the sea, I thought it was just scrapped mid war, cool.
1:35 nice tent mate although i don't think they'll let you stay too long though
You should do an episode on the USS Robin (actually a British aircraft carrier with American pilots).
Thank you for this.
But I am disappointed that you did not talk about the rather unique, aircraft launching system it was going to use.
A video on the other never-was carrier of the Axis, Aquila. Please?
Generally think that the idea Gemany could have worked up and utilised a carrier after the outbreak of world war 2 is impractical, however if she had been able to get into service before hand and accompanied the twins or graf spree or Bismark it could have made things very interesting (they would have to have found something other than the Bf109 to fly off her though)
"stability problems, even on the drawing board"
did Goering got drawn on the blueprints as well?
Upon seeing the design, Hitler's first question was: "Can it kill tanks?"
Jagdpanzer Zeppelin?
With the great battery of 150 mm guns, the answer happens to be "yes". Can't let T-34s overwhelm your shiny carrier.
@@FireflyActual Jagdpanzerschiffe Zeppelin.
When the Soviet Navy decided to get into the carrier business I have to wonder if they were kicking themselves for throwing away Graf Zeppelin instead of using it as a test bed for carrier ops.
The JU 87 Dive Bomber modified for use on the carrier had several modifications, including jettisonable landing gear legs. The Stuka's fixed, non-retractable landing legs make ditching in water very problematic. The landing legs sticking straight down may make the plane to pitch down or cartwheel into the water. The naval Stuka pilot could jettison the gear in event of needing to make an emergency water landing.
Some naval Stukas built for the carrier ended up being used in combat for the Luftwaffe.
I wonder if German pilots, transfered from Stukas to types of newer aircraft with retractable gear had a high incidence of "gear up" landings in their new aircraft? Opps, forgot to lower the gear again!
I couldn't take this video seriously because I'm a complete degenerate, got her swimsuit skin and its all thats was on my mind while watching
*raises a glass to a fellow person of culture*
Any chance of a video on HMY Helga/ CMS Muirchú please?
If the Kriegsmarine really was serious about fielding or building an aircraft carrier, they could have bought an IJN training-level aircraft carrier. (Imagine that, Germany's navy "going hat in hand" to Japan, like a South American state.;) What would the Luftwaffe make of IJN aircraft? Would they see the value in long-range-and-maneuverability-is-primary designs? Building a naval air arm in the 1930's is barely possible, even with IJN experience on tap.
Fun Fact: Graf Zeppelin was only Hitler’s second largest aircraft carrier in the war. His largest was the Crimea, which couldn’t be sunk and possessed only marginally lower marks for mobility and seakeeping than the G-Zepp.
Are you talking about the passenger liner conversion?
Yeah I have some doubts about its "unsinkable" status
I recall reading that one major purpose for the GZ was to provide air support for the Baltic and North Sea, which was rendered unnecessary by the Wehrmacht seizing the Polish, Dutch, Belgian and French coasts.
Ahh, the Nihilistic carrier with a Nietzschean attitude. With more guns than a light cruiser.
So I get that this was before WW2 solidified carrier ops, but c'mon, Germany. C'mon.
@Gues Who HMS Glorious would like to have those guns... Not to mention, that until 1942 the USS Leginton had 4 twin 8" (eight inch) turrets. Yes, the armament of an economy size heavy cruiser.
USS Lexington, sry for typo
And thanks to Goering, the one thing the aircraft carrier lacked was aircraft to carry. I wonder if the newly-defeated French had any nearly-modern naval aircraft to operate off the Graf Zeppelin.
@@karlvongazenberg8398 HMS Glorious happened because the captain didn't bother to scout for some reason, She could easily have maintained a safe distance otherwise, eliminating the need for any sort of anti-surface defence.
@Gues Who Not really since you don't want to risk damage to the raider. In case of Zeppelin if it was damaged in "no mans waters" or worse in enemy controleld waters you would lose a whole carrier. Also what good are 16 guns when your broadside is 8 anyway. Inb you sail into the middle of the convoy, thats asking for a torpedo from escorting destroyer etc. Even if it was better on paper if you consider its cost etc. it stop looking so good.
I would honestly reclassify Graf Zeppelin as an Through-deck Cruiser, just like the invincible class, albeit for very different reasons 🤣
It's almost as if they couldn't make up their minds what they wanted - an aircraft carrier or cruiser.
Q&A: where would you place an AA cruiser inside the fleet to make it the most effective? Were they useful or a gimmick?
During bombing/divebombing/kamikaze they would stick close to the ships under attack, during torpedo bombing they would try to move further out. The problem was when ships were needed to fight other ships generally aa cruisers would be dragged in as they were grey and had guns - they would then do very badly against other ships. (E.g USS atlanta). Normal cruisers with lots of aaa generally did better (Clevelands)
Q&A: why was it that Germany had such a difficult time making dual purpose surface and AA guns?
A 15cm hit have a good possibility to crippel/mission kill a destroyer, and can hurt a light cruiser. You need "many" 12cm hits to achieve the same result. Germanys enemy will always have "light ship" superiority, hence the German captial ship needed a strong secondary battery. Whats the point in having a shiny Scharnhorst that is superior to a Dunkerque, if Dunkerque escort of "super-destroyers" can get close and torpedoes you.
To answer your question a 15cm gun will be a horibel AA gun in early war. It was not untill late war US manage to build a 15cm gun that did work both as a surface wepon and a AA gun.
A good question, but attach a reply containing it to the pinned post if you want it to (have a chance of) being featured in a future drydock.
What about their 88mm flak gun?
@@j_taylor Too small for any surface action.
And they were going to be outnumbered, so needed to be able to fend of small surface vessels.
@@j_taylor While the 88mm had initially been a good jack of all trades on both sea and land (predating the need for high angle mountings, but proving well suited to them) basically during the late WW1 and interwar period it had become to small to be effective against surface targets at the ranges a small cruiser or large destroyer would need to be stopped in order to prevent torpedo attack (as had allied 3" guns a few years prior).
Hence while it continued to be effective supporting the army on land (interestingly often under control of German air-force) it was really fitted to larger ships for air defense only, deferring to the 15cm guns (which where not usable for Anti-aircraft roles) to handle opposing ships. While to a lessor degree this was even mostly true of the larger 10.5cm design, which mainly extended the effective range/altitude air defense could be projected as aircraft got larger/faster, rather than the anti-surface capability as the Americans had intended with 5"/38 (hence why the massive concrete flack towers for city defense would feature 12.7cm/61 guns, which actually had a naval mount designed, although they never refitted a class to use them by wars end).
There something about the German ships that always looks classy.
Always liked their designs. There's a certain gothic grandeur over it. Not so bgi a fan of ... well... the rest, at the time.
With the narrow track undercarriage, I'm sure the navalised Me 109's would have had similar deck handling characteristics as the Fleet Air Arms Seafires..ie poor !!....As for the Ju87 "Sea Stuka", that's open to conjecture.... :)
"What do you mean it's a carrier?"
One of the handful of ships that might give the Kamchatka a run for its money in the category of Least Valuable Naval Vessel. Actually it might take that award considering the vast amount of resources it consumed only to have its most valuable contribution being a shell/bomb piñata.
Do a video on the type xxiv German sub. I will keep asking this forever.....
So cool to see a stuka carrier variant, could a carrier like this have performed a "dolittle" style raid with any of the German bombers available? I have a cool vision in my head of JU-88 style aircraft taking off from her. I guess also she could have been the first carrier in the world to launch jet or rocket powered aircraft?
That would be cool, but I don't know that bulk stores of hydrazine in a vehicle made from steel filled with flesh and surrounded in salt water that's designed to go places where incoming projectiles filled with explosives are a certainty, would be a good idea...dissolved pilot, not good, dissolved and on fire crew and vessel at the same time.. perhaps worse than a magazine explosion.. I don't know 100% for sure, but I think the C and T stoff only dissipates in fresh water, if that's the case they'd have a hell of a time sorting out how to deal with a leak before there's nothing left to salvage.
@@Colt45hatchback yeah that's true lol,but I was thinking more as a one off event.... all precautions taken of coarse 👍
This is an excellent story.
This shows the irrational German thinking.
They wanted to challenge the Royal Navy, who had so many aircraft carriers and the Germany cannot finish even one.
Could you imagine if the fully equipped Graf Zeppelin sailed with the Bismark.
Even if it provided air support to the Bismark and stopped the swordfish torpedo attack what then? The sheer number of allied ships pretty much garanteed that the Bismark and Zeppelin would eventually be sunk. Germany could never win a naval war with Britain or a land war with the Soviets. The whole war from the German stand point was illogical.
@@johnprice9072 reluctantly agree
@@johnprice9072
Speaking from hindsight is easy, but back than it was universally agreed Russia will definitely fall once Germany invades, USA Japan and the UK all agreed on that.
@@thelvadam2884 I get what your saying. But reader said to Hitler the kriegsmarine would not be ready for war with Britain until 1945 I think. The Germans also ran war games under general paulus (Stalingrad general) prior to their invasion of the ussr which revealed that the Germans didn't have enough divisions and logistics to pull it off. Everything in the German strategy for ww2 was simply banking on luck. In short, Hitler priorized his political motivations over the best interests of the German people.
@@johnprice9072 they could have possibly pulled it off, if politics weren't their priority
Graf Zeppelin: Exists
Luftwaffe: “I’m gonna destroy this man’s whole career.”
Weren't they also also planning on fitting Voith units as well?
I can't help but think how many U-boats could been built with that steel
Looks like a sunken reef in the making.
Hello Mrs. Nikusube.
Nazi aircraft carrier is a fairly terrifying thought. I can imagine an alternate history where thus completed ship makes it to the Pacific to fight w the IJN.
Beyond that, it's hard to see how much longer a KM carrier would lasted than the other capital ships.
Can we have the HMAS armidale after all teddy sheen who whent down with it has just got the VC
I've heard a fair amount about the plans Germany had for carriers, except for one somewhat important point: Aircraft. I know they were planning on using modified ME-109's and Stukas, but what alternatives did they have? Were there any aircraft in their conquered lands (France, most likely, as they did have a carrier) that they could use that were designed for use aboard flattops?
Bearn had a small air group consisting of Dewoitine D376s (designed in 1932), Levasseur PL7s (designed in 1928) and Vought V156F Vindicators (1936).
The Vindicators might, just possibly, have passed muster, but the less said about the other two, the better!
My suggestion: Fw 190.
I have just bought a piston box from the KMS Graf Zeppelin from a nautical antiques shop. Is this the last remaining relic (above water)? Or maybe someone else has some.... (actually I don't really know what a piston box is)
Well that's a funny looking airship
the propellers are concealed in the hangar ;)
raise a ship, to then sink the ship. How very soviet of them.
@andy morris Didn't the americans and germans already show us how to do it
@andy morris i mean it's true even tho Bulgaria doesn't have aircraft carriers unless you are talking about Russia?
@andy morris if I didn't know where i came from I'd assume the same although through out history the russians and us often allied each other against common enemies
Btw im sorry for my bad English