Intel's 13900k Faster AND cheaper?? Oh my...
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I’m very happy to see the back and forth between cpu manufacturers
4090 is a huge leap in performance, super excited to see the "cheaper" gpus
Same, seeing them so close in performance is great news for consumers. Competition makes for better products all around.
@@AlyxSharkBite-2000 won't stop them to keep raising the prices on us
RIP my peasant 5800x3D 😥😥😥
well I'm happy to see intel won again / still winning
This is so healthy for the market seeing two companies stepping up their games. We are the winners guys.
Well said
@@okdarius hmmm capitalism XD just melts my heart....
the beauty of capitalism. remember that when the marxists are running for office... they re currently in the white house...
Nah, all i see is Intel dogging AMD in everything at the momment.
@@Nobody-su9km some people see the glass half full. some half empty. some miss the point entirely and don t even see the glass.
Just picked up an AMD 7950 over the Black Friday/Cyber Monday weekend. The prices were brought down to even with Intel BUT microcenter had a deal where they gave me 2x16 DDR5-6000 Ram for free with my processer purchase plus another $20 off when I bought the motherboard at the same time. Insane deals!
@@BeAShepherdNotASheep They still have the deal going. I am surprised. You get even get a 7700 with the DDR5-6000 2x16 G. Even more of an insane deal with that processor. They don't always have the memory in so I had to watch their website on Tuesday/Thursday (those are the days my microcenter gets shipment apparently) to pick up the memory at a later date but sure enough a bunch of memory came in that last Thursday and I was able to pick it up for free :)
Did the same deal, but I'm tempted to build a second rig with Intel 13900K. Could go for 4080 FE and 7900 XTX. It would be neat having both Intel + NVIDIA and AMD + AMD.
You're so lucky there, we don't have such deals in Europe
i got the r9 5950x for 500 (supposedly 800)
How do you like that bad boy by the way? I’m patiently waiting for the 7950x-3D. I’m very excited.
Next CPU challenge: lower the power consumption by a lot.
Arm
Pentium Silver N6005 is probably where you want to look if you want x86 architecture with decent performance and minimal power
I'm not interested personally in CPU's over 65w. Between my giant mid range GPU and 65w CPU my computer room already gets hotter than I like. Really not interested in buying GPU's either that are going to draw much more than my current one.
AMD: Low Power consumption
Intel: *Very* High Power Consumption
@@Ren_1106 since when is AMD low power? Have you seen the 7000 series?
Good to see that intel is finally coming back around to offer competitive products @ enticing price points.
The only sad part is economy has gone down to literal hell and my purchasing power ain't what it used to be.
You know who to thank for that!
@@johnnykeener3727 Yep, the Fed. You flood markets with that much cash... there's gonna be problems. Should've started pulling back 12-18 months ago. Hell, practically every central bank screwed the pooch on this one, infinite QE never works for long term economic health.
@@friedpickle9828 It's a damn if you do and damn if you don't situation. If the fed didn't do what they did. The recession/inflation would be worse. Just check out European countries.
@@johnnykeener3727 inflation is everywhere. Not just the fault of the current administration. Let’s not forget the initial push of cash was under the former and the gears and levers pushing us to this point were in motion long before now. It takes longer than 2 years to crash an economy. I’d say the deregulation and abolishment of Dodd-frank had more an impact on our current economic situation.
@@mrthesquid yes, I have to agree with you on the dodd-frank issue. Also, what about the repeal of glass-steagal? Such a horrible move to repeal a law that was a PILLAR of core financial regulation. Who in their right mind thinks its a good idea to allow commercial banks to participate in derivatives markets with consumer deposits?!? Like.. what? If it wasn't so stupid and dangerous, I'd be laughing.
ah, lets explain it, then.
DDR4/DDR5 why some would like to have a choice, DDR5 is niche and marginal upgrade in a MAJORITY of applications, and hardly for gaming, or hardly noticeable.
What IS noticeable? The upgrade in CPU, what isn't? The RAM. The reason why it doesn't make sense to you is easy.
We actually have to PAY for our motherboards and RAM. You don't.
This 1000%. Was going to say the upgrade I'll see is from the CPU, not from the RAM. I can always upgrade to a different RAM platform later on when it makes a difference worth paying for. Right now, it honestly isn't.
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I am likely not going to go Intel; but seeing this makes me happy. Seeing Intel is actually seeing AMD as a threat and making strong improvements as well as being cheaper, really ups the game of CPU companion, which drive price to performance closer. (Cost cheaper but improves are better) so everyone wins.
That's why more competition is always better for the consumer. And why I hope that the Intel VGA cards are success as well!
We respect Intel much more now, but i will go with AMD this year because as a SFF builder, power consumption and efficiency matters…..
Jay, I really wish you would benchmark these CPUs in some sort of engineering software. A quick CFD run or an FEA solver on a semi complex geometry would be absolutely amazing!
For the love of God, compile some master material shaders in Unreal - that's where I want to see what is faster
I'd like something like that as well. I'm not really much of a gamer. I run photogrammetry software, namely Agisoft Metashape, pix 4D and things like that. It's basically 3D modeling and rendering.
In my mind there is huge value in that this is the first gen am5 cpus and that you could reuse both MB and RAM for future upgrades. While on Intel it seems that we are getting a new socket with next gen (14th). That's worth alot, for me atleast :)
plus you can use some AM4 coolers on some of the AM5 cpus if they fit and have enough cooling power.
@@shadowwolf2608 you can use AM4 coolers on ALL CPU's, but it depends on the cooler. Sometimes the cooler interferes with the backside mounting hardware for the socket.
Yeah it sucks. If you want to upgrade it's basically a new system
Ryzen r9 7950x uses a heap less power. Over time you'll end up with a higher power bill with intel. That 20% to 70% extra power intel uses will add up.
It can actually be cheaper if you buy a new motherboard later. The same motherboard and memory might cost 3 times less in 3-5 years.
AM3 and AM4 made a lot of sense because those boards were already cheap when they came out. That isn't the case with AM5 and DDR5 memories.
Excited to see how gaming performance changes for AMD with the X3D models. The 5800X3D was pretty darn nifty.
It would be such a bad move to make an x3d rn, it would make some other products almost obsolete for the price
@@john-paulhunt6943 I have not seen that anywhere. Do you have a source for that? All the news I have seen points to Zen4 3d V-cache coming q1-q2 2023
@@john-paulhunt6943 there is already a leaked AMD slide. It's in their roadmap.
I'm not buying the 7000 until the x3d comes out.
@@vmarcelo49 The 7000s are already suffering in sales, all things considered an x3d version might actually not be a bad idea sales wise. But I doubt they'll release it within the year (as in 2022)
I love the music you chose when showing benchmark scores. there was a short time where you weren't using it and Im glad its back
I purchased the Ryzen 9 7900X on the day it released, and coming from an i7 8700, I'm blown away. I'm in love with this build. I purchased it partially because I love an underdog story and I love what AMD's doing right now, partially because I just needed a big upgrade, and also because it's not Intel lmao however, seeing Intel come back like this is nothing but exciting, because this heavy of competition is only going to be good for the consumers. Super competitive prices while trying to beat the other team's performance? Yes please! Now we just have to hope the GPU market livens up soon!
I’m still rocking my 8700K, but I feel like it’s starting to be my bottleneck with my 6900XT.
@@X3Andy same especially with my 3080 but I got the shit end of the silicone lottery, my 8700k has been shit the whole time
Same, I still use my old 8700 rig, which I recently put a 4700 in with to replace the 2080 ( which I gave to my GF to replace her 970 lol ) and yeah definitely feel the bottlenecks there. My new 7900X I paired with a 4090 ( should of went with X3D really, but I do do some productivity stuff sometimes ) and although might feel it later on, no real CPU bottlenecks yet that isn't well over gsync range that I experienced quite a bit with the 8700, even with the 2080, and now 4070. I don't think you can really do wrong with what you pick anymore at the higher end.
Compared to last generation, regardless of which on wins, they're both giving insane numbers.
Owners of those will see insane numbers on power bills, I can guarantee you that.
@@Dancing_Riot 😑….with the energy “diet” the gouvernement want to impose on the population…
Especially when it comes to power draw and temperatures...
@@Dancing_Riot It will literally make the smallest of difference vs the last generation ultimately. Likewise they aren't that expensive to run if you take into account the fact your not (or shouldn't) be running your computer 24/7 period, certainly not at full load. This is for the average gamer and those that do things such as modelling and whatnot.
Regardless of who wins ????? Let me get this correct did intel not just win ???
As others have mentioned, I like the back-and-forth between Team Red and Team Blue, and either would be a solid system if you have the funds to do so. One thing to consider if you upgrade each generation is the longevity of the 7000 series and 13th Gen platforms. AMD didn’t make any promises on AM5 but did hint it should be around for several years like AM4. Intel's 13th Gen LGA 1700 will be replaced with another platform change to LGA 1851 when 14th Gen is released next year.
People upgrade on 4 to 5 year cycles or even longer. By the time they upgrade they will need a new MB anyway, so backward compatibility of sockets is irrelevant.
Lol gamers nexus and hardware unboxed have shown there is no back and forth. AMD is 25% more power efficient than raptor lake. And 13900K can draw near 500 watts.
@dj Kplus Yea this is a good idea.
@@zeitgeistx5239 people don't care about power efficiency, they care about how fast the processor is.
@@zeitgeistx5239 Just that the people who are in the market for a $600/750€ CPU probably do not care for power efficiency.
This is great news to be honest! This indicates competition is strong. Ive generally been an AMD builder, but that has generally been due to price to performance. I believe Ryzen kicked Intel in head, to realize that we can't stay complacent. For me, AM5 and Intel gen13 of no interest due to Ram costs. I am waiting for 58003D to hit the 200 mark and I will swap 3700x chip out, and move that chip down to my kids R3
already done that with my nephew and its great. both of us very happy.
Great video Jay. Love the discussion and explanation per slide of results. Consistent and clear testing methodology.
The results you achieved make sense. Can't say the same about LTT's video. They are making a lot of errors as of late and really confuses things. Though glad I look at multiple reviews as a rule of thumb.
LTT lost any credibility long time ago. If you don't know why something happens it's usually money
Amazing to see how close it is now
I would have love to see it compared to the 5800X3D as well just to get a rough idea of what 7000X3D chips could bring
THIS! Especially for gaming. The 5800X3D still holds its own quite well on a lot of gaming benchmarks, even against the 79xx processors and the 13900 series. So give the 7000X3D a better base processor to work with and maybe even increase the 3D cache over last year (there IS physically more room to work with given the added height of the 7000 IHS to match the AM4 geometry...and you could have an insanely performant chip. Also, IF (big if) you are the type of person who upgrades the CPU often, you have longevity with the AM5 platform that you won't get with 13th gen. Not the consideration for everyone but imagine being able to use an 8000 or 9000 or 10000 series X3D chip on a motherboard you buy today....
Watch Hardware Unboxed's review, they include 5800X3D data and have more indepth thermal testing which covers issues JayZ didn't mention.
LinusTechTips released stats that show the new i5-13600k ($330) is overall much better than the 5800x3D ($400-440), except in specific games that can utilize the higher cache.
zen 4 3d will be roughly 20 percent faster than zen4
@@torporvasflam8670 I'll wait for the HU review (and GN), LTT doesn't exactly have the greatest track record as of late, especially with their end recommendations.
Have a 10900k and I would definitely upgrade to this if I needed too. I will probably cheap out a little longer for ddr5 prices to drop hopefully by the time the 14900k launches.
Yeah I’m running a 10900k and 3090ti. Really want the 13900k just can’t force myself to snag that plus a new MB and ddr5
I would wait till 14th gen. I also have a 10900K and think that the wait will be well worth it.
Same here, running 10700k, just wanna upgrade,, but i run my system in NZXT H1 so i need ITX board and these new boards in ITX form are hell expensive.
I upgraded my 10900k with the 13900k and ddr5 5600mhz. On Timespy(normal) i doubled the cpu performance from 11000 to 22000 points.
10850K here, really like how it can be tuned for low latency on high speed DDR4... 2080Ti should hold me over longer still due to DLSS so I might jump on a NEW GPU in 1-2 years from now, and will see how the 14th gen fares against 13th gen, or AMD for that matter given a couple years down the road.
How does the Intel system feel in general? What I mean by that is in your previous videos on the new AMD platform, you stated that it feels extremely fast - everything loads up instantly, etc. Does the Intel system feel/perform similarly?
yes it feels fast
on every new system, things load fast and very responsive, once you start clogging the O.S with too many crap and installations, things get slower, but it will still be fast enough for everyday use.
Intel or AMD, both are great with this release.
This is so great, seeing both amd and intel doing well. Today is a good day :)
I am looking forward to the 13600K reviews. As a person who only games, no streaming, no encoding and very basic normal day tasks the 6 P cores and 8 cores at that price point is very intriguing.
They are already out. It’s pretty much a equal or better than the 7700x for cheaper
Agreed! I currently have an older i7 9700 and have been considering switching to the 12600K since for gaming it seems to be plenty. I might hold off for the 13600K at this point and just keep that as long as possible.
@@zaka8315 well of course dude
@@zaka8315 and literally double the price
13600k is more than enough for gaming. 14 cores 20 threads in an i5.
I remember days when i5 was mingling around with 2 cores 4 threads.
Now, even the i3 will get 6 cores.
All in all, 13600k will get the crown as the best CPU (not fastest).
Only interested in x3d when it comes out... the 5800x3d is fantastic
yes, I got the 5800x3d a week ago and it's amazing! it's the best cpu i've ever had out of the box even with the potato ram i have.
(the main advantage of the ddr5 over ddr4 is the bigger memory capacity for those that need a ton of ram, other than that, it's a no deal.)
same here, but im worried that they only release a 7800X3D and no 12 or 16 core Version
bought the 5800x3d 2 weeks ago .... so happy with it saved me loads of $$$
@@unbekanntername2023 they have said multiple times over multiple different interviews that there will be a whole range of X3D chips coming, the reason there was only the one 5800x3d was due to it being proof of concept, so i fully expect them to have a range of chips coming that are fully expanding the current range to completely dominate the gaming space.
Do u love huge Wang?
I lov the way how couple of graphic cards are hanging on back wall
Thank youuu for bringing back the METAL BGM while benchmarks
I personally use the 7700x and love it. I adopted this platform when microcenter were doing the free ddr5 with purchase.
And your socket isn't at its end of life, you're good through 2025 which reviewers seem to not talk about.
@@crittybity yep! and with x3d variants coming out eventually I'm good to go
@@crittybity AM4 isn't at end of life, plenty of reviewers have spoke about it, AMD have said AM4 is gunna run alongside AM5, this literally has been the topic of this summer when they said all of this at Computex.
@@lamartrey I was referring to the 1700 socket when I said end of life, I should have specified. But I didn't even know am4 wasn't at end of life! That's awesome news too me too!! I didn't watch the computex presentation, maybe I should haha
@@crittybity ohhh I get you now yea haha no worries! Yea it's staying for a few years, not sure how if they mean just by bios updates or if they're releasing new chips, but it will deffo have support! I'm torn atm because I'm on 12th gen and I feel like it's just been knocked out of the park with this gen 😂
Gotta go with the performance but since it's so close, value takes priority so Intel, nothing personal.
GREAT SHOW always loaded with info. Trying to get my own thing going on RUclips but having a failed neck surgery leaving me disabled with a broken neck and on fixed income with mountains of doctors bills has delayed things to say the least. Love the channel keep up all the great work
With a phone & simple editing. You can still build a foundation on off time instead of watching videos. Create videos.
Hi thanks for your videos and good advice for PC Gamers. I noticed in some of your videos that you have some kind of a bench test setup. (Looks plastic maybe?) I am wondering if you purchased it somewhere or did you just make it yourself? Perhaps share some info on that for me as I keep my ATX Water cooled CPU system on my desk.
This is why I’m waiting for the 7k3D chips and the AMD gpu reveal. I feel like the new 3D vcache chips will blow everyone’s mind
yep i think amd will kick intels ass once they release a new x3d cpu for sure cause thoes things kick intels ass i hope they release one soon and intel will be foreced to make a new cpu to compete with it im not using intel anymore cause amd is more about consumer minus the issue of them killing the standard threadripper cpu
@@billyhatcher643 yea but amd won't release a xx3d now . Q1 2023 possibly . And meteor would be bigger gen leap from Intel
And so will the price. 🤯
nah, they wont do it, otherwise no one will want to buy their flagship chip or people will make fun of it saying it cant compete with previous generation chip bla bla which backfire
Yeah. I'm going into wait mode on the new X3D SKUs to see what comes of it. Especially if I go with another custom loop system.
Thanks for the video. Would be good to see the ipc test on something other than cinebench so that avx isn’t as much of a factor.
Thank you - your video is amazing. You have explained the configuration settings in BIOS etc making your videos more interesting.
I had viewed your other videos and thanks
Only thing at this point is knowing that you'll have a new socket next year as an Intel user. While AM5 has a few years of cheap upgrades remaining.
I would love to see more benchmarks aimed at content creation since I do that more than gaming. Video encoding, gas and liquid simulation, rigid body simulations etc. Either in 3ds max or houdini.
There are barely any canned benchmarks for a lot of pro applications, that's what I specialise in and I had to make my own Autodesk (Inventor) benchmark tool to get stuff tested. I can test 3DS Max but with what scene, the results mean nothing to anyone as the scenes will be custom with no historical or third party testing data to compare with. The SPEC tests aren't all that valuable either as they're just viewport tests which at this point is testing how much faster than already fast enough does it orbit a scene. The likes of CFD is so niche that again nobody has created a standardised test for it, and on what suite, there's tons of them with little to no demand. It's a nightmare doing reviews in the pro area because of this!
Do you think having an amd gpu with Sam enabled would have any affect on these numbers? Or are these tests solely only cpu relevant?
@jayztwocents any idea why on z790 maximus here with 13900kf the xtu not detecting watch dog? any secrets to it? and wondering why noone does proper undervolting guide for asus mobo for 13900 theres so many auto setting one id scared to touch it.
@23:40 that’s the 1000 unit wholesale tray price for $589… retail price is $660 at Amazon, Newegg, etc for the 13900k.
I’m sure you recorded this part before seeing the retail prices but intel never gives retail pricing.
Yes.
Don't worry about Z690 not being able to supply enough power/performance, mine supplied 340W to the 13900K at factory default profiles (which is the power limit removed as default on the board) and the chip went radioactive. All frequencies ran to spec and it did just fine, I'm now gonna sell it to pay for the energy costs to make the review 😬
340W is absurd. It's time for ARM CPUs to show up
thats nothing :D ive pulled 400w :D
How hot did it get? Cpu and mobo?
@@schtickmangaming2264 There's a full review on my channel showing graphs. Motherboard was a MSI Z690 Force Wifi
@@CVLova I think it could ever go higher, the 340W was delivery to a completely stock CPU with zero overclock or manual voltage bumps. But I think we're possibly about nearly reaching the ceiling there on what even 360 AIOs can handle
I tend to prefer intel personally but at one point in time it was just more stable and consistent and it has always treated me well so I stick with it. I am glad to see the competition between the two and the gains we as consumers get to see in performance.
People don’t know that because of the power draw people going for amd but they known for shuttering In games and Intel much smooth In games , u have to tweak the cpu to get more efficiency out of it
If they both cost the same which would you go and why? I’m about to build a new pc for gaming, photo and video editing and was going with a 7950x just wondering if it’s the best choice?
Good to see them trading blows at performance. Hopefully this will also trigger a price cut on both platforms.
Definitely not for intel since it performs better for the price.
And definitely for amd the price inc is huge just because of huge performance jump over 5k series ryzen and over 12th gen.
@@gamertechlive1780 not really the 7950x is only $40 higher than the 13900k when you look at the actual retail price for the 13900k at $659. I do hope there are price cuts around the board though.
@@MrShad3s you also aren’t considering the prices of the platform. You can buy a z690 board with ddr4 and. It’s going to be a decent bit cheaper
@@StrixWar oh sure, but if you want full potential for gaming you need ddr5 with 13th gen. Hardware unboxed tested both and saw a good difference in several games. I also wouldn't buy a 13900k if all I did was gaming, seems like a waste of the performance it has. The 13700k or 13600k or 7700x seem more logical choices for pure gaming.
@@MrShad3s Even my 5600x is never going above 50% usage when gaming, though I do suppose that might have to do with the fact I have a 1050 Ti XD
Maybe I'll upgrade to a 3060 ti, or maybe like the incoming 4060, or even amd might win me over with rdna3
Man, look at how close these two are. Amazing. I hope AMD comes back with another 3D model
X3D/3D V-cache yaaass 👍
I"m definitely going intel this time around. Been using an H670 DDR4 board for a while now and currently thinking of getting a B660i board. I'm just glad that I could still do an upgrade with that board in the future.
Gamers are funny and idiots. They never cheap out on CPU's or GPU's, but when it comes to their motherboard, they cheap out like crazyyy. Most errors and faults and blue screens are related to the...you guessed it, MOTHERBOARD.
@@xPhantomxify in my defense, I just use a 12100 CPU. I'm planning to upgrade in the future, hence the H670 board. I chose the board basically because 600 series ITX boards from the manufacturer I like is still out of my budget, so for the mean time, H670 is my choice.
But yeah, I partly agree with you.
3:48 I've been reading up on Intel ME firmware "supposedly" fixing the incompatibility between 13th gen and the Z690 motherboards, Is this the firmware that solves all of the issues or is it just ideal to use the Z790 boards?
I’m good with my 5900x for now, I really wouldn’t want to try and cool the 7900x or the 13th gen at this stage. I’ll choose to wait and see how AM5 unfolds with its next gen chips
Dude honestly you are fine xD a top chip one generation behind really won't limit you in almost anything
Still sitting pretty on my 3900x.
@@rolithesecond that’s what I had prior, or the 3900xt to be precise. Just upgraded
Same... my 5950x is more than enough for the next few years whilst I wait for AMD to sort out the teething issues with 7xxx
Same. Same cpu. I'm not buying a motherboard ram amd cpu just to upgrade. And probably an AIO. I don't need the AIO for my cpu yet.
Hello, 3 days ago a news came out alleging that Windows 11 may actually degrade multi-core performances of AMD CPU having 2 CCD (i.e. 7700, 7900, 7950). May that be affecting your benchmarks ?
I was wondering the same thing! I know Intel is always "working heavily with windows" to make sure stuff happens their way, so it would be SUPER shady if Intel worked with Microsoft to push a version of windows that hampered AMD 7000 performance right during benchmarking for 13th gen...
in an artivle i've seen, 7950X had 20% more fps on single CCD, so there is probability of going higher, it will probably be same story like 12-gen had with windows 11 scheduler not working as intended
I've got a question I have a i7-8700k and i'm wondering if it's a good time for me to upgrade my cpu or should i wait? I've been looking at upgrading to the i7-13700k and also upgrading from my 2080 super to a 4090 or 4080ti when it releases
@JayzTwoCents So I have recently updated to the 13900k and im still using an old z690. I was wondering if using this board and mobo is really slowing down the cpu by 25% like some of the articles I am reading. You really only see is with the asus z690 and im running a MSI board
Honestly, this winter electricity consumption is a factor in price. 150W average on 8hrs a day for me equals to almost 200 euros extra electricity per year with current prices (0.44 cents per kwh during the day).
If I were to chose intel over AMD, I'd get 5-10% more fps but in 3 years I'd spent 600 more on electricity.
So by going AMD, realistically I am not losing anything as a gamer / lightroom - photoshop user. Very minor losses but I get to upgrade again in 3 years.
Looking at power consumption vs cost is an interesting metric. Good idea going to take that idea.
@@acidlaek I'm doing that too, but in reverse: I'm in the southern hemisphere, so my a/c cost is going to go up either way - which hurts less is going to be a deciding factor.
This year THAT is a really important thing to consider my friend! NONE of these testers (Jay, Linus, GN, Unboxed) have done an indepth of real costs in electricity for this performance. Maybe my 65Watt Ryzen5 2600 stays right where it's at.
The problem with letting your electricity bill decide mean you either shouldn't build a high performance rig or or you can't afford to. For those of us the are building a high-end rig then electricity cost is not a concern and seen for as the you have to pay-to-play situation. So we just accept that as we want to have the power available to us whenever.
There's nothing wrong with keeping a lower budget. But if your electric bill is a concern then maybe you need to reevaluate weather or not a high power machine is truly for you.
@@davidd.234 or we earn our own money and spend it responsibly and pc gaming is not a priority? Trust me I have more than the budget but a computer equipment is not a high priority especially if what I have is still enough for my needs. I don’t understand why people have to combine the idea of spending responsibly with poverty lol.
looking forward to the i7 vs R7 review--but I am leaning towards an i7 build, for professional software support, early next year (running a 5th gen i7 and sorely need to update).
Blow for blow between manufacturers. Beautiful! Huge W for consumers! VERY happy to see it.
You said you used the ddr5 4800 cl40 to not leave performance on the table. Maybe a noob question, but would ddr4 4800 cl16 not perform better or is CAS superseded by other improvements ddr5 brings to the table? Plus you would have lower entry fee until ddr5 pricing comes down.
I just bought myself a 5800x3d last night. Haven’t dropped it in yet but I figured might as well use my AM4 upgrade path. Don’t have the budget for a full rebuild right now but my old 2600 was getting long in the tooth. Considering I’d need a full build basically for any new gen CPU’s I’ll be content with my purchase. I’m waiting for seeing how RDNA3 performs and I’ll see if it will be worth it to upgrade.
No complaints here with the X3D.. I can play any game with full settings. I play Civ6 a lot and wow what an improvement against my i5-4760.
having 1060 6gb and 2600 also looking to buy 5800x3d for me tho i dont money to build new am5 setup
Very wise.
Even a 5600 or 5600X would have done the job as well depending on what you do.
Love my 5800x3D the cache is great for 1% lows keeps those higher & great for badly coded games like pubg as well you will love it as well happy gamming.
You people upgrade your gaming PC's way too fast... You can easily go 7 +/- years with each gaming PC cycle. Stop worrying about not being able to run Cyberthrash 2077 on 4K max settings anymore, just for your a e s t h e t i t c s needs. Stop undervaluing your CPU's. Stop this fear of missing out or the need to have the newest "toy" (CPU) or close to the newest.
I'd like to see a comparison of 13th Gen on the Z690/DDR4 vs Z790/DDR5 on CPU intensive tasks/games (such as Kerbal Space Program), to see if it will matter when upgrading from my 10th Gen.
you love to see competition in the market
I am about to build my first gaming pc and need help choosing certain components. Should i buy a Asus ROG Strix Z790-A and install an i9-12900K with G.Skill Trident Z Royal DDR4 DIMMS or should I go with an other Z790 Mainboard which supports DDR5 ?
Pardon me if the text is tough to read/understand, english isn’t my first language
Hey Jay, I was surprised to see AMD being way too low when CPUs were locked to 5GHz, previous tests at lower clocks were showing a different picture from what I recall.
There's also a slowdown oddity going on with Windows 11 and 7950X in the recent 22H2 update, single chiplet CPUs are unaffected. Reported by CapFrameX and Hardware Unboxed.
swear to god, it's going to be 2024, and we're STILL not going to find good reason to upgrade to win 11
@@AC3handle Intel alder lake and above is a pretty good reason tbf
@@AC3handle yeah cause one update is the reason..
@@AC3handle I tried 11 earlier this year, after a month I switched to Manjaro Linux. Last week I needed to use a Windows machine, so I formatted and loaded 11 again, after 1 day I formatted and loaded Windows 10.
I have a Dell XPS 13 9310 laptop with an Intel i7-1185G7 CPU and 32GB RAM. This last Windows update slowed down my system as well. It became noticeably slower right after the system rebooted after the installation. For the life of me I don't understand what these guys are doing with this system. They take something that's already reliable and works well and with which everyone is satisfied (i.e. Win10 after many years of bug fixing and stabilization) and upgrade it to a new half-baked UI and move the settings to some new absurd location... and to make matters worse, as a bonus, they make the entire system slower. They already did that with Win7 (which was a great OS) after launching Win8 with that avangarde UI (that no one asked for), and they're doing it again with Win11. After 3 more years of stabilization, when everything finally works well and everyone gets used to it, they will launch Windows 12.
Both are good but I'm doing a 7950x over the next few months going from a 3600X is going to be amazing
Dude I got a 7950x with a balling asus board and damn it's fast
I was thinking about the exact same but I'm probably just waiting for a 7950x3D before making the jump!
I'm all for cheaper etc, however if this is the last chip on the intel socket and performance is similar to AMD, I'm probably going to build AMD to hopefully get at least two builds from the same socket. Like others have stated, I'm glad to see competition as all of us benefit from it! :)
Lisa sue stated AM5 will be supported beyond 2025, this means there should be 3/4 more CPUs for AM5 so 8000/9000/10000 series of AMD CPUs.
I always buy a new motherboard for a new cpu. Socket compatibility is nice when I'm doing budget builds and scraping together parts.
@@MrAkaacer That's fine for you but you're in the minority.
@@MrAkaacer idk man, someone could've gotten a modest AMD CPU years ago and today upgrade to the 5800x3D and see MASSIVE performance gains about on par with 7000 series for gaming.
That's some serious value but it also isn't "scraping together parts" for a budget build. If you bought a good mobo in the first place you're not going to see a performance difference unless you're LN2 overclocking....
@@OGPatriot03 I'm kind in that situation now. Sitting on 3600 so considering my upgrade. 3600 --> 5800x3d --> 7000 doesn't seem worth it. 3600 --> 7000 makes more sense. I can upgrade to 5800x3d now, or wait maybe 6-8months for 7000 upgrade. For me, 3600 will hold for another 6 months or so for a 7800.
And it'll keep you warmer this winter too.
hey jay i know its a lot of work to do all those tests but would it be possible to make comparison video with all the ryzen generations and their respective intel rival. So we can see how those bars changed over the last couple of years
Yeah that would be interesting to see if they have any.
can you do a motherboard comparison video? comparing high end and low end motherboards to see if there really is a significant difference
theres not much difference
i was about to say that this has already been done but AM5 is brand new so id like to see it too
There isn't. But of course it's never smart to put a i9 CPU on a very budget motherboard. The power delivery would probably overheat.
I don't think it's worth it simply because the results would be microscopic, what you'd be probably be looking foward to a motherboard is "Features", how the motherboard responds to eletrical failures, safety features, better CPU management features, acessibility, and over all that the price, at the end you'd have results like "well, X for intel is the best one, while really expensive it's worth it, and any AM4-AM5 mobo is pretty much the same but the cheaper it is, the less protection you'd have against some problems that may affect you in the future"
So long as it's the same gen, there is no appreciable difference between motherboards unless you're planning on overclocking. More expensive motherboards are capable of overclocking and doing it well, while cheap motherboards sometimes are not capable of any sort of overclock.
I just saw your other vid warning us about buying memory for 12th gen intel so I wanted to ask if you've tested 13th gen processors for the same issues, specifically with running more than 2 sticks at their actual speeds. Any info would be great!
What do you recommend for a rendering machine that primarily uses "Adobe Media Encoder" apple M2 max or i9 13900K with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 GPU and 128 GB RAM?
I want to see Intel start adopting AMD's method of rolling one socket type to roll forward and be compatible for the next 5 or so years. Performance matters, but not so much when you need an entirely new system.
Average gamer wont go changing CPU every year so thats not a good argument (IMO however) so by the time the 13 gen intel is obsolete ill get a new motherboard too why not
@@lconthebeat even if you dont buy every year you can buy the latest cpu on the platform and save the money for gpu ''ill get a new motherboard too why not'' bo comment and its a good argument
Curious to hear your thoughts on Windows 11 scheduler sometimes neutering performance on AMD 79XX cpu's that have more than one CCX like the 7950. Anyway, back on topic. Overall I would 100% agree that AMD needs to drop prices, performance is generally close enough with Intel, considering Intel is gulping down so much more power, but AMD cpu's absolutely cannot be priced higher if they want to push any sort of sales volume since AM5 current motherboards are insanely priced compared to their Intel counterparts. Plus for gaming, it makes more sense for me to just swap out for a 5800 X3D if I thought I wanted more gaming fps (since I already have a AM4 setup), which honestly needs a price cut as well.
Jay, could you do a video or comment about the differences between the z790 and z690 motherboards. I am planning on building my first gaming pc this winter and am wondering if I am going to lose performance pairing a 13600k with a Z690 vs a Z790 with DDR5 RAM.
I have the MSI z690 Tomahawk DDR4 board and a 12700K 5GHz all core bios OC. I noticed after updating the bios to the latest for 13th Gen that the voltages at stock were way different and overclocking was more difficult on 12th gen. I haven't gotten the 13th Gen yet. Does updating bios change VF curve for 12th Gen as well? Voltages and Temps were way higher and I had to roll back for the time being.
I was going to wait for the amd 7000 3d thing either way, and I was kinda expecting intel to be more expensive, but at the end of the day I will go for the one that gives me a better bang for my buck.
Looking forward to the 13100F! Also looking forward to the 12100F costing 75$.
Hopefully we can have a similar dynamic in the GPU market. Those price hikes are ridiculous.
not much difference in raw performance between those two cpus... not worth upgrade from i3 12gen to i3 13 gen
I am not sure gpus will be going cheaper but who knows. I would caution that ram is expensive... ddr5 costs alot and these video cards are slapping in 8-24 gigs of gddr6 not really the same ram exactly but I think having so much very fast ram sets a floor for how cheap any of them can actually fall.
but you know that 13100F will still use the same Alder Lake cores like 12100F only 100 MHz higher clock
We should all be aware of the sub 13600k being all Alder Lake design and only the performance chipset “aka K” will have the new tech attached.
@@LordQjak I know, they really missed an opportunity to put out an I-3 with 8 performance cores and no E cores. If intel ever put out an I-3 like that. And kept the price the same. They would completely sweep the low end out from AMD for at least two chip generations.
just confused about something it say max memory speed for ddr4 is 3200 but my ram i have is ddr4 3600 can someone elaborate on what im not understanding? 3:36
i want to buidl or buy a prebuilt all amd PC what can you recommend especially for gaming
Nice seeing solid competition between AMD and Intel. Will be interesting to see how AMD's X3D CPUs will perform coming next year when they'll get released.
I'm not in the run for a new CPU yet, but this is excellent news for me down the road in a couple years when I want to upgrade my CPU/Mobo/RAM platform. Can't say I'm terribly thrilled about the direction the competition is driving in regards to energy consumption, especially given the rising energy prices. 300W CPUs, 450+ W GPUs ... those are expensive prospects in the long run. I hope they'll start shifting their focus on power efficiency and not just to increase performance for the same power draw!
Agreed, they seem to be doing this to compete on leaderboard performance, but the high energy use is going to hurt..
I don't understand all this power consumption whining, at least about the CPU. If you want lower power consumption you just put around 80w limit and still get around 95% of performance. Is it that complicated to do? Or is it just laziness? There were many videos and information about how efficient the new CPUs are and how much faster they are at the same power usage. For now I don't care how much power it draws, I want absolute maximum performance. But when I will care I can set limits and problem solved. On the other hand, if AMD / Intel will design next gen CPUs for lower power usage, including motherboard VRM and all other tech, you will be happy, but I am not because I can't force CPU to use more power and get max performance, it's not designed to do so.
I hope it will stay the same and the manufacturers will just spend some time and money to teach people how to set lower power limits in a few clicks.
I will pick Intel 13th gen (probably 13600k) because DDR4 RAM and Motherboards are cheaper. For me value is a big positive.
@@Torrrero You're going to to have to explain to me where I was whining. I merely said I wasn't thrilled at the prospect of the industry pushing higher power consumption to get higher performance given the ongoing economic situation and that I'd much rather have a stronger focus on efficiency. Nothing I said should warrant such a defensive and at points confrontative attitude.
And you should probably also take a moment to reflect that such concerns don't have to be apply stringently across the whole portfolio. Nothing says CPU manufacturers can't strive for as power efficient as possible CPUs in the low-, mid- and high-performance tiers and STILL offer CPUs with greater powerlimit tolerances for the enthusiast consumers/OC afficionados. Me and you getting what we want isn't a mutually exclusive zero-sum equation.
@@Torrrero AMD Zen 4 is what gives you near 90% of the performance going all the way down to 65W ECO mode.
But this misses the point really. The point is these CPUs, other than the 12900K and 13900K use only a fraction of their all-core load power during gaming. The 12900K and 13900K are pushed too much, and while that helps their gaming performance it hurts power consumption during gaming, so if that's your main workload then yes if you buy THOSE CPUs you probably do want to turn them down. For any of the AMD CPUs you only need to use an ECO mode if you're running all-core loads or you just don't like the idea of how the CPU works even though the design is perfectly fine, which is a ramp up in clock speed until some temp sensors hit about 95 C. However that doesn't bother me because it doesn't add up to much heat in the room, because a SINGLE sensor or two hitting that heat is a trivial amount of die space.
You take a hunk of metal that's a 1 cm cube and heat it up to 95 C and you don't notice it heating up a room. You take a hunk of metal that's 1 meter cube and heat it up to 95 C and now your room is an oven. In other word if I don't notice it heating the room I don't care. AMD is using TSMC N5 which has about 2X the transistor density of Intel 7A, so a single core heating up to 95C isn't as much area.
If AMD would add more ECO modes I'd probably use it. Like for their 105W TDP parts if they had an 85W ECO mode and 65W ECO mode that would be nice. And for their 170W TDP parts they should have 150W, 130W, 105W, 85W and 65W. If AMD did that I'd buy the 7700X3D and set it at 85W ECO and be quite happy about it.
If love to see a video showing a 13th gen in a 600 series board with ddr4. Curious how doing a more “budget” build would be.
Other sites have reported that the DDR4 3600 is actually faster than DDR5 5200... I believe that, the CAS latencies of DDR5 are catastrophically high.
@@carrionwithout_me GamersNexus tested on the Z690, it's DDR5 though
Wondering the same, there's a HUGE price difference that makes this a way better value
@@MaxIronsThird Thats the next video i have up ironically enough!
@@MrEricmopar then what’s the reason to upgrade to DDR5 then?
I got a question for you. I have the 10900k with 4090 and it’s not bottle necking as cpu below 50% but running pci 3, and tbe 4090 is pci 4, so would you say the 12900k with ddr5 on pci 4 is a better combination with 4090 then 13900k at pci 5, if that makes sense.
I do not care for pci 5 if I am using a pci 4 card. Just wondering about the best combination.
It would be a good test and to get some input on. For me it’s streaming and gaming. Little video editing but the heat I seen is a bit much and a 240m AIO should be okay?
Did intel fix the issues with the mounting solution this time around?
Great review!, looking forward for the 13600k with ddr4 results 👍
I've got a 13600k it's a bloody monster with DDR4 and slightly better with DDR5. Probably the best value cpu in years
Tested it on ltt, no difference between ddr4/5. Ddr5 is waste of money.
@@Topper_Harley68 it's slightly better nothing more nothing less as I said.
Thing is when I switched from intel to AMD on my 3900x build it was basically to spite intel for lack of innovation, but then idk, I had such a great time with the 3900x that I actually began to like AMD for AMD and I think with games starting to take advantage of more threads that AMD started to see a real uplift the past few generations im running a 5900x now along with my 3080 12gb edition and while this new hardware generation is exciting for once im not feeling compelled to upgrade just to get more horsepower because I feel like until I get a 4k monitor I have more horsepower than ill need for a while.
Nice mid build
Does anyone know how to set the max power draw for the CPU socket on a z690 MSI board? I can't find any guides for it. I just want to set the max power draw on the socket but still let the board and intel control boost clocks and everything. Instead of the 260w+ draw, something like 185W would be nice :)
As always, love your video. i went with intel this time because of the options on the quick shipping motherboards.... but I switched back and forth a few times in my cart lol
This is great for consumers. Hope these 2 companies continue to keep trading blows.
Makes me wonder about the technological advancements frankly. They release new CPUs every 6-12 months that are just 10-15% faster and edge out the competitor until the competitor releases something to eclipse it. I'm wondering if they release the new CPUs like that just to keep the revenue stream flowing and they actually have the technology now to release a CPU that's 3-4X faster than what's on the market.
@@rogersmith7808 I worked in the semiconductor field for 36 years, 10 years of it in R & D. We were working on 2 plus generations ahead of what was out to the consumer at the time. Like Jay and all the rest of the YTer's talk about TSMC 5nm processes, we were close to completion on 7nm and moving onto 5nm back as say 2000/2001. This was not on "CPU" product. It was more towards the auto industry with some cell phone applications thrown in.
@@ervingoss5442 Right, but were they just working on 2 generations ahead because that was the plan to milk consumers or did they already have the technology to be building 10 generations ahead if they wanted to?
Always going for the best value. Last update was over 2 years ago to 3950X and I'm curious how big the difference would be between the CPUs.
help please . Nvidia 3080ti asus z790-e Kingston renegade fury 4tb g skill trident z5 32x4 Intel i9 13th gen what coolers should I use? Sorry I don’t know your email to ask you there… please just need to know what would be a good cooler to carry into the future till I get the 4090
Curious if the DarkPro 4 would be sufficient for cooling of any of these CPU’s tested in this review
I am just loving the competition between Intel & AMD. It is good for everyone. I am very excited to see what happens when AMD rolls out the v-cache versions of R7000 series.
I imagine when AMD will pull out a 7900x3D it will demolish Intel
I don’t think that Intel has anything that can beat the 3d series. The 5800x3d is able to trade blows with current gen Intel so I imagine that 7000 series will crush the ks series easily
They won't they are in finance trouble
@@fs5866 Yea but then Intel will just release 14th gen 3 months later lul
3rd option, I'd go with AMD because I am mostly using blender. As a student studying game design and development it would be really cool to see some benchmarks targeted towards unreal engine and unity.
Thanks as always for the amazing videos.
Yeah me too but i go for the i9 13900k trust me it is also a beast. But it's really disappointing that there are no unreal or unity benchmarks
I had a thought... So you say that the Cinebench test is sort of flawed in the way it splits to run on the 7950x, and that is playing into the lower score compared to the 13900k. Could that possibly also be playing into the locked frequency IPC test you did as well? Maybe you can double up that one with a similar run using Geekbench, which was in AMDs favor on the single core test?
Ahhhhh, this is very exciting. I’m so happy that intel’s innovating these days. I’m super happy to see the 4 core intel days are long behind us.
Don't remind me of my i3 7th gen.... the games it struggled with, my new ryzen 5 5600x legit is like oh that's cute *20% usage*
Literally a 6 times better cpu and it's "low-end"
Think you could do some thermal and power testing separately? Hardware Unboxed is reporting that the 13900k hits TJmax and throttles in 19 seconds flat, while the 7950x does not throttle performance at TJmax. They also said that the biggest AIO they could find was not able to stop the thermal throttling. Haven't seen anyone else delve into thermals yet but I would love a couple more takes and opinions on those aspects.
HUB also showed that the 7950X hits 97% of peak performance at 175W. 13900K hits 97% peak performance at 300W.
@@tringuyen7519 they also showed that the r7 7700x is straight up BETTER!? than r9 7950x, unless I missed something
I’m thinking of buying a ryzen9 3900x to go with my 3060ti I’m I choosing the right Cpu I do light gaming any advice jaytwo cents
I kind of want to get a 7700x so that when the 7 series GPUs come out I can have a 7700x with a 7700xt- no other reason than the names. It'll probably be a really good pairing too.
I love seeing both manufacturers neck and neck in so many things. Can't go wrong with either. I haven't run AMD since essentially the Athlon-XP days, so I kind of want to play with one again. But my Intel setups have been solid and have done everything I've needed. And now they're a better value, which used to never happen. But, since I'm sitting on 9th gen Intel, I have no real need to upgrade for the 4K gaming I do even though the itch is there. Can always sell the old gear off on forums to recoup some of the upgrade costs, also.
I'd like having both intel and AMD systems
How hot does this cpu run. Can I get away with my be quiet black rock air cooler or do I need to get a aio. If so which one do you recommend ?
Very much enjoyed the heavy metal music over the benchmark specs. Damn I love this channel 🤣👌
Nice music during the benchmark results whats the name of this group or is this royalty free music?
Hey Jay,
Now that you tested 13th gen, do you still feel like Ryzen 7000 feels smoother in windows as you mentioned in one of your previous videos?
This is a very interesting observation
Another question is efficiency. 13th gen compared to 7000 series is at 150-250 more watts.
I don't care about efficiency or anything like that. I plan on watercooling Gpu and Cpu anyways. Since performance seems to be very similar between these cpus I just want to know if what Jay said about the smoothness still is true.
When both tested with a 13900k, the z690 and z790 asus strix boards are near identical.
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Does your comments about the auto adjustments on the asus motherboards also apply to 12th gen?
In a previous video Jay, you mentioned that general desktop use on AMD 7000 felt incredibly snappy and responsive. Does it feel the same on 13th gen?
Luckily for me, I'm waiting until the new year to update my system, so I'm waiting for 3d v-cache anyways to see how the performs, especially on games like FFXIV.
Since they both run at about the same speed, both feel the same?
Windows 11 especially seems to not like Ryzen very much especially 3rd and 4th gen. They released a fix for the performance decrease (some people were reporting almost 30 percent decrease) I can still seeing it favoring intel since you can’t avoid the development of windows is probably primarily done on intel architecture and they only worry about compatibility and general stability on the amd end.
Still thinking to go AMD but now this gives me hope of some deals or price cuts coming to compete with Intel offerings 👀
@@haskell3702 don't care 🤷🏻♂️