To me these were really similar. The servo was less stable than i thought and the relay was more os than i thought. So that is why i just rock a crave.
Every relay I’ve thrown flies like a 0,2 it’s like a step below the resistor where servos I actually get turn out of. Glow for a super flippy boy, neutron or plasma for flight just like the numbers and proton for some more stability
I like the Servo for when a small fade is needed but where going too hard left can get you in trouble. Like the Crave for the straighter version. Meshes well with the Crave which is really straight (and a beat in Crave that flips a little).
I've bagged both discs for a couple of years now. (Both in Neutron plastic and 172/171grams.) Mine fly differently from one another, enough that the Relay is used on shots that need to hold a left-to-right line of 250-300 feet, and the Servo is the more stable option that always finishes to the left at a similar distance. The Relay also works for hyzer-flip tunnel shots in the woods better than the Servo does. (At least the pair I have.) I do have a few of the Servos in Plasma that are a few grams lighter, and those have a bit more neutral flight than the Neutron version, so maybe what makes your two fly similarly is a difference in plastic.
That’s good to hear. Maybe it’s just me, but the Servos I have gotten recently fly pretty dang straight. Don’t really have much fade at all. Maybe I should try an older run of the Servo.
I don't bag a Servo, but have some buddies that do and love it. I do bag a fission Relay recently and like it a lot. Dead straight back hand and forehand. Use it when I need more distance than my Pixel or Watt that are dead straight.
I picked up one of those Lab 2nd Relays for a slower speed fairway to complement my faster fairway Jackalopes in Apex plastic (8|5|-2|1). Nope! Flys nothing like Jackalope, which my Jackalopes fly true to numbers. I was hoping the Relay would be less stable than Crave with the Servo being more stable than the Crave. Would be a great 6-speed lineup then! However I find my Relay to be inbetween Crave & Servo. I'd give my Relay flight numbers of 6.5|5|-0.5|1. I resort to my Echo midranges to get that slower speed Jackalope flight. Thanks for the side-by-side comparison. Always appreciate your content.
Bag both and throw both since they were both first released. Very distinct discs that are not the same. Then again I mostly throw PFN Servos and Relays.
My relay is not PP, but an old mold from before they moved to in house production. Definitely straighter than any of the newer ones I’ve thrown. New ones are a bit overstable for my arm.
@@cirkuslizard8697 my PFN Servo gem is one that I bought used at Maple Hill that had Japan Open stamp and is 155g. I bought it used in the pro shop the year after Nikko signed a loose deal with MVP and also went to the Japan Open. I remember him tossing his whole bag over hole 1 and my only thought is that it was a disc that he had that he used for the Japan Open where all discs had to be below 160g. It is the perfect 0/2 disc even at 155g. Many of the PFN have less of a shoulder than the current ones. Still one of the best 1/2 combos there is. I still wish that there was a production disc between the Servo and Resistor. There was that weird run of Resistors that came close but it was only that one run.
@@chefdave28 I never knew Nikko signed a deal with MVP, or a tentative one. Cool info. My relay was purchased in 2021 but has the larger molding circles. I gather it either stayed on a shelf at MVP or at the vape shop I purchased for a little while. Wish I had bought a couple more at the time.
@@cirkuslizard8697 Yeah, it was for a brief time with an open bag. I believe he got discs to then stamp and sell. You can sometimes find them with his stamp pop up for sale every once in awhile.
Be interesting to compare both in the same plastic and weight. I have both in neutron and they have different flights (I'm also new and not consistent enough to compare, haha)
I currently bag a neutron relay and plasma servo, both blue. The relay has beaten in to the perfect laser strait/slight hyzer flip disc. My servo never gets a -1 turn. Strait to dependable fade if anything, while the relay finishes more strait. I do have a pink neutron relay that definitely is more over stable, but i assumed it just wasn't beaten in enough 🤷♂️
Thrown the Crave for a few years now, and everyone always told me if i wanted a overstable Crave, to get a Servo. Servo isnt torque resistant enough, but I ended up with weird old run of cosmic neutron Relay that has a higher parting line than the servo. Hard to turn it over and almost impossible to replace
That makes a lot of sense. I noticed the Servo getting pretty flippy when I gave it some juice, the Relay not as much. Sounds like the older Relays are the money runs.
I have a Neutron Servo and Neutron Relay.. and yea. The Servo has a slight turn and a forward pushing fade I feel. The Relay 'might' turn a touch more if you rip it, but fades harder. The Servo is fair to the numbers the Relay is def not lol. The Servo feels like it holds the lines for a touch longer. I have an R2 Crave, and that thing is just too unpredictable, very unforgiving. Sometimes it goes straight, sometimes it drifts right 100 feet 😂 I much prefer the Servo to all 3.
I've heard the neutron servo is a lot more stable than the plasma. My neutron goes dead straight with a little fade. Just ordered a lighter plasma servo to try out. Pairing a servo with a signal covers most shots for me from 250-285.
Interesting 🤔 I bag a proton circuit challenge Servo and an r2 PDGA relay from a few years back and they are not the same for me unless I get the Relay a tad nose up.
That’s interesting. The Servos I have gotten recently all fly a little less stable than a -1 2. Not quite like a Relay, but not as stable as the numbers would say. It’s a great straight flying disc tho.
I found the Servo to be a bit more flippy than expected. I have an eclipse (supposed to be beefier) and a plasma Servo and they are both flippier than my neutron Crave. Not a bad thing necessarily.
The Tesla and the Relay are the two discs in the MVP line up that, to me, are way more overstable than the numbers. The rest of the discs are closer to their flight numbers.
😂 Crave is a good straight flier but I agree a bit. You can get away with throwing a midrange instead of a Crave most of the times. But! A lot of people love it and that’s totally cool.
lol paused at 38sec to say. Plasma (very overstable version) vs Neutron (stable-overstable) and are these even the same weight? because that affects it too. This is a terrible review and should just be considered null because this is not a accurate comparison. You need to pick same weight and same plastics.
To me these were really similar. The servo was less stable than i thought and the relay was more os than i thought. So that is why i just rock a crave.
Right! Totally agree.
Every relay I’ve thrown flies like a 0,2 it’s like a step below the resistor where servos I actually get turn out of. Glow for a super flippy boy, neutron or plasma for flight just like the numbers and proton for some more stability
Nice! Thanks for the insight.
Same, my Relay is not US at all. Not too OS but it really doesn't want to turn.
I have the r2 neutron Relay and mine is way less domey than yours. I’m trying to learn forehand and it’s perfect for that.
That’s great. Yes it’s a great one for that.
Can’t wait to watch this, posting in advance as I miss my Servo (not enough anhyzer on #5 @Maple Hill). Thought mine was less stable than my Relay.
Sorry for your loss. I hope you enjoy!
I like the Servo for when a small fade is needed but where going too hard left can get you in trouble. Like the Crave for the straighter version. Meshes well with the Crave which is really straight (and a beat in Crave that flips a little).
That’s good to hear. Thanks for the insight.
I've bagged both discs for a couple of years now. (Both in Neutron plastic and 172/171grams.) Mine fly differently from one another, enough that the Relay is used on shots that need to hold a left-to-right line of 250-300 feet, and the Servo is the more stable option that always finishes to the left at a similar distance. The Relay also works for hyzer-flip tunnel shots in the woods better than the Servo does. (At least the pair I have.)
I do have a few of the Servos in Plasma that are a few grams lighter, and those have a bit more neutral flight than the Neutron version, so maybe what makes your two fly similarly is a difference in plastic.
That’s good to hear. Maybe it’s just me, but the Servos I have gotten recently fly pretty dang straight. Don’t really have much fade at all. Maybe I should try an older run of the Servo.
I don't bag a Servo, but have some buddies that do and love it. I do bag a fission Relay recently and like it a lot. Dead straight back hand and forehand. Use it when I need more distance than my Pixel or Watt that are dead straight.
Cool! That’s good to hear. I should try a fizzy relay 🤔
@@PartTimeDiscGolf my mistake I have a Reactor, I always mix up the two lol
I picked up one of those Lab 2nd Relays for a slower speed fairway to complement my faster fairway Jackalopes in Apex plastic (8|5|-2|1). Nope! Flys nothing like Jackalope, which my Jackalopes fly true to numbers. I was hoping the Relay would be less stable than Crave with the Servo being more stable than the Crave. Would be a great 6-speed lineup then! However I find my Relay to be inbetween Crave & Servo. I'd give my Relay flight numbers of 6.5|5|-0.5|1. I resort to my Echo midranges to get that slower speed Jackalope flight.
Thanks for the side-by-side comparison. Always appreciate your content.
Nice, great insight. I agree. The Jackalope is what I was hoping the flight would be like too. Jackalope is a great disc.
I’ve been bagging my servo not so much for flippy shots but i really like it for long panning anhyzer releases in the woods
Yes! Same here, but I have to put a little hyzer on it to do that. I love it.
I love my servo i have a blue one like yours. I always throw mine farther then i think its gonna go thing just rips.
That’s awesome.
Bag both and throw both since they were both first released. Very distinct discs that are not the same. Then again I mostly throw PFN Servos and Relays.
That’s good to hear. Yeah, the newer releases are flying different from what I am gathering from the community.
My relay is not PP, but an old mold from before they moved to in house production. Definitely straighter than any of the newer ones I’ve thrown. New ones are a bit overstable for my arm.
@@cirkuslizard8697 my PFN Servo gem is one that I bought used at Maple Hill that had Japan Open stamp and is 155g. I bought it used in the pro shop the year after Nikko signed a loose deal with MVP and also went to the Japan Open. I remember him tossing his whole bag over hole 1 and my only thought is that it was a disc that he had that he used for the Japan Open where all discs had to be below 160g. It is the perfect 0/2 disc even at 155g. Many of the PFN have less of a shoulder than the current ones. Still one of the best 1/2 combos there is. I still wish that there was a production disc between the Servo and Resistor. There was that weird run of Resistors that came close but it was only that one run.
@@chefdave28 I never knew Nikko signed a deal with MVP, or a tentative one. Cool info. My relay was purchased in 2021 but has the larger molding circles. I gather it either stayed on a shelf at MVP or at the vape shop I purchased for a little while. Wish I had bought a couple more at the time.
@@cirkuslizard8697 Yeah, it was for a brief time with an open bag. I believe he got discs to then stamp and sell. You can sometimes find them with his stamp pop up for sale every once in awhile.
That green servo with the holo stamp looks awesome
I know, so pretty. These are the new drops of Servos. They feel nice too.
My first ever ace was with a relay 😍
Nice! Congrats.
Thanks I think this helped me decide. I’m going with the relay 🙏 good work brother
Glad I could help
Love the relay! I find the cosmic neutron to be the most likely to finish left on a rhbh throw.
That’s good to hear. Might need to get one of those.
Be interesting to compare both in the same plastic and weight. I have both in neutron and they have different flights (I'm also new and not consistent enough to compare, haha)
True. I’ll see if I can get a neutron servo to compare.
I currently bag a neutron relay and plasma servo, both blue. The relay has beaten in to the perfect laser strait/slight hyzer flip disc. My servo never gets a -1 turn. Strait to dependable fade if anything, while the relay finishes more strait. I do have a pink neutron relay that definitely is more over stable, but i assumed it just wasn't beaten in enough 🤷♂️
Cool, thanks for that info.
I have the relay and it is my go to for straight shots.
Nice, it’s a great straight disc for sure.
Nice putting
Thanks! My Pixels have been on lately.
Thrown the Crave for a few years now, and everyone always told me if i wanted a overstable Crave, to get a Servo. Servo isnt torque resistant enough, but I ended up with weird old run of cosmic neutron Relay that has a higher parting line than the servo. Hard to turn it over and almost impossible to replace
That makes a lot of sense. I noticed the Servo getting pretty flippy when I gave it some juice, the Relay not as much. Sounds like the older Relays are the money runs.
I have a Neutron Servo and Neutron Relay.. and yea.
The Servo has a slight turn and a forward pushing fade I feel.
The Relay 'might' turn a touch more if you rip it, but fades harder.
The Servo is fair to the numbers the Relay is def not lol. The Servo feels like it holds the lines for a touch longer.
I have an R2 Crave, and that thing is just too unpredictable, very unforgiving. Sometimes it goes straight, sometimes it drifts right 100 feet 😂
I much prefer the Servo to all 3.
Nice! Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.
I've heard the neutron servo is a lot more stable than the plasma. My neutron goes dead straight with a little fade. Just ordered a lighter plasma servo to try out. Pairing a servo with a signal covers most shots for me from 250-285.
Nice! Sounds like a good pairing.
Would've been interesting to have included a Crave as part of this comparison as my Craves seem to fly almost identically to my Servo.
Good call. They are pretty similar
Interesting 🤔 I bag a proton circuit challenge Servo and an r2 PDGA relay from a few years back and they are not the same for me unless I get the Relay a tad nose up.
That’s interesting. The Servos I have gotten recently all fly a little less stable than a -1 2. Not quite like a Relay, but not as stable as the numbers would say. It’s a great straight flying disc tho.
I found the Servo to be a bit more flippy than expected. I have an eclipse (supposed to be beefier) and a plasma Servo and they are both flippier than my neutron Crave. Not a bad thing necessarily.
True, nothing wrong with not flying like the numbers.
Are both discs new or used?
Yes. Both brand new and similar weights.
Lol all my relays fly more like servos without fade. I like them though!
Agreed
The Tesla and the Relay are the two discs in the MVP line up that, to me, are way more overstable than the numbers. The rest of the discs are closer to their flight numbers.
That tracks with what I have experienced too. Thanks for sharing.
Notion v pixel?
Sounds fun. Notion is definitely flippier, but they are both pretty glidey.
And the winner is... the Crave!
😂…and the Pixel
Here’s going to be an unpopular opinion. Most MVP/Axiom discs are overhyped and overrated, and this includes the Crave.
😂 Crave is a good straight flier but I agree a bit. You can get away with throwing a midrange instead of a Crave most of the times. But! A lot of people love it and that’s totally cool.
lol paused at 38sec to say. Plasma (very overstable version) vs Neutron (stable-overstable) and are these even the same weight? because that affects it too. This is a terrible review and should just be considered null because this is not a accurate comparison. You need to pick same weight and same plastics.
They are both 175g.