I currently own a White/Blanco 1985 Ferrari 400i, with auto trans. Rumor has it that Enzo was getting letters from his "senior aged" customers about having trouble driving & holding their glass of vino, as there are NO cup-holders in the car, (it does have 2 ashtrays & 2 lighters)! Enzo decided an auto trans would be tested, first was a German box, I believe, but they exploded often, the GM TH400 was already being used by other manufactures and a proven heavy-duty unit in trucks and Corvettes...it handled the torque of the V-12 without a problem. The car is very nice to drive and ride, solid and powerful, quiet and luxurious, power brakes, power steering, power windows, a double unit A/C system was available, complete leather interior and it does have an automatic hydraulic independent rear suspension. The Bosch Fuel Injection system is "two" of everything, as Bosch only made 4 cyl, 6 cyl and 8 cyl units with the V-12 requiring 2 of the 6 cyl fuel distributors, 2 warm up units, 2 electric fuel pumps, so the car has a 6 cyl system on each side, the engine will actually run on only one bank! Yes, the main body design lasted 17 years, the longest of any Ferrari design, with changes as stated, taillamps changed from 6 to 4, the hot air vent in the hood went from silver to body color, interior and dash changed, instrument lamps changed from pale blue in 1985 400i to soft red in 1986 412, the wheels also changed in 1986 to a flatter face to accommodate the ABS system added. It has a complete metal tube chassis; the body will lift off in one piece, the hood, doors and rear trunk lid are removeable, but the front fenders and front body bumper are all welded together to the body, there is no way to simply remove a front fender or wing and replace it, all damage to the body is a major job. The power train uses a "torque tube", a hollow tube bolted to the rear of the trans and to the front of the rear diff, which is mounted solid to the frame, no "twisting of the engine or lifting of the front end, all of the power goes to the rear wheels. I bought mine 8 years ago for a very reasonable price as it was a "non-runner" at the time, teaching myself how to work on the car, finding parts, and learning the Bosch FI had it running in 8 months and my investment had doubled in value !
I looked at one 400i Auto languishing on the shop floor of my Ferrari Mechanic many months back. The shop owner said the Auto transmission only offered three gears, and was awful in the power-delivery department. He strongly recommended finding a five-speed manual that would keep the V-12 in the proper power-band, otherwise you'd be out-driven by a Mercedes diesel. The self-leveling rear suspension was straight trash, often failing - which causes the rear of the car to 'squat' onto its own tires. Koni's system there isn't worth re-building but replacing outright with better shocks. The model is HEAVILY burdened with greatly-depreciated book-values, and thus never see the maintenance required to keep them running well. Many are 'sitting', hoping a V-12 Sports-sedan renaissance takes place in the market. You'll find many available - none of them running - with owners who won't let-go or listen to reason.
One of my favourite Ferraris ever and this colour combination is perfect! And as for the Fiat, for those of us old enough who would read first when the new addition of CAR magazine came out it was L.J.K´s first. The way he described handling and the detail he went into for tire choices was a thing of beauty to read!
Many years ago I owned a 1974 Fiat 128 Sport L coupe (in British Racing Green) and it's little 1300 cc engine with dual throat Weber carb sounded brilliant, the raspy sound and burbles this little car produced was amazing.
what a splendid video once again, growing up in the '70-ies and '80-ies I grew to love the typical Pininfarina styling, Fiat 130 coupé, Lancia Gamma, Ferrari 400/412, and even the Rolls Royce Camargue, thank you very much from the Netherlands
Love Pininfarina when he concentrates on straight clean lines, not a fan of his many wavy design's. This is quite a recent insight of mine having to do with this channel, but I believe from these related 70's coupés the Camargue is the masterpiece. Considering it's stance wasn't right at first and the difficulty of the task in the first place makes it more admirable. That Greek temple up front of a modern coupé must have been intimidating to any designer. But if you look at the clarity of the shoulder line and these magnificently sculpted wheel arches, the car might not have worked out but Pininfarina did the most awesome job.
@benzinapaul7416 I didn't dare to add those two.. 😉... sheer elegance for the 504, and class and style for the 604... if they only would have built them in the quality league of Mercedes-Benz... if only...
The 365/400/412 is my absolute favourite Ferrari..you can keep all the rest, as nice as they are, this is a classy gentleman's car..along with the Fiat 130 in the garage.😊
What has surprised me mostly, is how modern the Tipo F101 actually looked at the introduction in 1972 in terms of the aerodynamic styling of the front, and trim refinement all round the car, in the sense that we are essentially looking a rather trivial traditional boxy FR layout in 1972. The dashboard and tunnel arrangement for the year was next level as well. Perhaps not at the magnitude of the M B R107, but certainly into that direction. The sound of the V12 is a majestic experience and hopefully will be a happy chappy after you've worked your wonders. Truly a dignified car 💓
This has always been one of my favorite Ferraris. I love the lines, pop up lights, and the fact that it's every bit of a proper v12 grand tour Ferrari as any other and so undervalued in the market definitely adds to its appeal.
Loved these from when they came out: obviously couldn't afford one as a twelve year old; but even when the collapsed down to about £15k, all the classic magazines referred to this series as "the brave pill". I remember a C&S from the early 90s which mentioned the exhaust replacement alone was £5,000. Beautifully conceived; but as a luxury Gent's express, it's never been a bargain for anyone without deep pockets. Lovely to feature this, and be reminded of that dream- thank you, Iain.
High strung and quick is always exciting....but I want to be at peace in the 400’s beautiful interior....myGod I Love this car.....The opening scene of Rainman planted the seed
The original 365 interior is the best - it still has the same chromed door-pulls as the Daytona / the chromed slider controls for heating and ventilation / the "Mickey Mouse ears" toggle switches / less bulky seats etc etc. With a proper wood-rimmed "guilloche" patterned steering wheel, it's still just about a '60s Ferrari interior - big black plastic instrument surrounds and hand-brake grip are a bit naff though - plus the steering-wheel blocks your view of the speedo and rev-counter. The 400 gradually lost all that, as it went for the "1980s HiFi-look" of featureless satin black everything, until you might just as well be sitting inside a wheelie-bin. (After decades of company cars, I came to hate black interiors...)
@@michaelbonade4667 The 412 loses a lot. The higher boot-line / body-coloured bumpers / clear lenses / and flatter styling of the wheels, tales a lot of the "definition" away from the shape. Indicators with clear lenses over amber, never look right - the Rover SD1 came out like this and was greatly improved when they switched to amber indicators. Similarly, Daytona's with the completely amber indicators look so much better than the ones with divided clear/amber lenses. To me, the spinners, Webers, triple tail-lights, no chin-spoiler, and older interior of the 365, make it the "last gasp" of the classic 60's Ferrari. (They are heavy when they land on you, though...)
Finally have a video worth watching...haha. Mr. Ian, I have been anxiously awaited you to feature one of these FOREVER! Thank you for sharing your knowledge of these amazing machines with your special sense of wit and charm. Continued success to you sir!
Interesting video Iain, I too love the aural soundtrack of many Italian cars. I had a garage in the late 60's-70's and we had a few Ferrari's on our books. One of my favourites was the 330GTC, which I did many miles in and loved it's looks and unassuming styling. Classy.
Dad had an Alfa Romeo 2000GTV back on the late sixties early seventies which I was privileged to drive on occasion. As the late Colin Chapman said "add lightness". What a wonderful car to drive. Then later, I owned one of the early Alfasud sedans. Left Scotland in '74 and now in Canada. Those cars are legends now, sadly the Alfasud rusted away. The Alfa 2000 GTV was a beast in the day. The Alfasud handled like nothing I had encountered.. still in my mind today at 75. Love your videos!
Another amazing video, thank you. Italian cars from the 70 and 80ies are my favorites and u always have some beauties to share with us. The 400 has one of the most elegant designs ever. WOW. Love your passion about the 130. For me it’s the GTV6 , the first car I ever bought. Talk about beautiful sound. Thxs again from Southern California!
The fitting of the GM automatic gearbox to this grand tourer model was a shrewd move and was evidently appreciated by customers. I've read that the model was never officially imported into the US, too. I admire the engineering that goes into a V12 engine but, if I notice a car with a V12 in town traffic, often the sound is a bit 'busy' as if there is too much going on and it's not at its happiest. I wonder how much time is in the service schedule for checking the valve clearances. Thanks for another enthralling video. The comparison with the Fiat was thought provoking. The GT styling of the 400 series also reminds me of some Montiverdi models.
I had the same emotions to the 130. I enjoyed the 500, 650. Then I found my "Sky Blue, Triumph Herald Convertible. Fiat was the Krishnamurti of Automobile Worship. The original Fiat 500 is an Art Deco Masterpiece. All I remember as a kid was curly walnut, dark green colours and loosing anything I held in my hand stuck out of the window. Good show.
Iain, I love the fact you called the FIAT 130 Coupe a "beautifully rounded car" when it was very clearly designed with only rulers, no French curves! It is still pretty, elegant and sophisticated. I was offered one years back, my wife's uncle was a very successful film editor and had a 130 Coupe in his back garden rotting away. We couldn't work out a deal sadly. But it would have ruinous to get it going and running it. The 400 series Ferrari's were always understated, which is a tough sell in that market. Probably a lot better to own than many would make out, still basically 365 running gear, what is not to like.
Hello Mr Tyrrell Thank you for yet another video with 25 minutes of excellence in knowledge sharing! It's allways a pleasure that I enjoy in my Sunday evenings. I am gratefull for that. Allow me to kindly clarify the issue of the Agnelli family's Fiat 130s. There were four Fiat 130 Familiare, designed by Centro Stile Fiat and manufactured by Officina Introzzi near Como. They all had different color schemes. Today the whereabouts of 3 of the 4 made are known. The Fiat 130 Opera is a 4-door sedan, almost a 4-door coupe, based on the Fiat 130 Coupé and presented at the 1975 Geneva Motor Show. In the previous year - 1974 - at the same Show, a 3-door station wagon also based on the 130 Coupé had been presented - the Fiat 130 Maremma, . Both were prototypes designed by Pininfarina.
FANTASTIC VIDEO AS ALWAYS Tyrell, I always enjoy your analysis & incredible expertise on Italian & other exotics, and this one was no exception, as I hope one day soon I can get one of these stunning Ferrari 412 as my own personal dream car accomplishment, lol. I hear so many stories about Ferrari & their weird policies, and things you can & can't do with your own Ferrari lol. I am with a tech company, & I can now afford any & all Ferrari cars I want, ( I truly love the cars from the 1960s-1990s), but I am impressed with all their modern cars, hybrids, etc, But, more to the point I LOVE your videos & analysis & recommendations. Thank you Tyrell for your expertise & amazing incredible Channel.
Mr. Tyrrell, I always enjoy the content of your videos and this was no exception. Since there will be a Part II, may I request an in-depth look at the dual K-Jet setup on the Ferrari 412? For those of us attempting to keep other vehicles equipped with Bosch's K-Jetronic on the road, I believe it would be invaluable to watch you work your magic on this Ferrari's mechanical fuel injection, especially since it will surely require more than just a turn of the idle/ mixture screws. As ever, thank you for the entertaining and informative content, and I shall look forward to watching you re-enact your run to the Wirral Peninsula through the Mersey Tunnel in a Fiat 130. Had the best fish-and-chips ever on the Wirral....
I've owned a 1993 740iL for years restoring it as my finances have allowed. Just recently the nitrogen canisters in the pressurised rear suspension lost all their gas turning one of the best handling cars into a real bucking bronco. Almost undrivable on the badly maintained New England Hwy. The canisters ate very rare and unavailable in Australia but fortunately the brilliant mechanics that keep the Bimmer in mint condition have finally tracked some down in Germany! Didn't know Ferrari and Citroen used them back in the 70's.
A minutes walk from my house are two 130 saloons sitting on a drive, one partially covered, one open to the elements. How they have survived after probably 30+ years sitting in English weather I don't quite know.
What a sound, though! I own, the most original RHD Alfasud Ti in Europe, and have heard a lot of Alfa 33, same engine, big bore exhausts, sounding like Subarus! Next year, I will bring the Kalahari Desert Sud, for you to have a drive. There was definitely something going on with Italian exhausts back then. Great video 💚🤍❤
I saw a Ferrari 365 GT4 2+2 win a category at the Concours of Elegance a couple of years ago. It's a Pininfarina design that I think has stood the test of time and still looks fresh today.
Hi, I had 131 mirafiori such a sweet sound car! Really comfortable, great to drive and nice looking but it just fell apart even though it only had 41k miles. Was really sorry to see it go but when the passenger seat collapsed and the headlights filled with water and that’s just from my memory.
My dad had a Fiat 130 then got a Ferrari 400. Both lovely. I remember him saying that the Ferrari was the only car he’d ever owned in which you could watch the fuel needle visibly move. Mind you, that was when he’d got it up to 140mph at which point it must’ve been doing
@@iain_tyrrell Probably! We went to pick up the 130 in my Dad's then car, a BMW 635CSI. He drove the Fiat home and I drove the BM. As a 17yr old, who'd recently learnt to drive in my Mum's 2nd hand Peugeot 104 that was a treat!
Thank you Sir! Every video is a mine of brilliant information. Look forward to the video you promise us about exhaust lines and materiales! I’m very curios about it. Just wondering…I believe, but I could be wrong and happy if correct explanations come from you, that “italian engineering school” back then coming mostly from small engines was prone to get best performance from these engines trying to make something cheap in terms of consumotion and taxes for mainly italian customers. For this reason I suppose that small valves, crossed inlet/outlet valves duration and small diamater exhaust lines for maximizing backpressure were the recipe for torque small engine at low/medium revs and also for that lovely raspy notes both on acceleration than deceleratiin. Thanks as ever for your attention and your entertaining masterclasses! Have a nice evening. Max
Talking about exhaust/engine sounds, IMHO, the best and most hair raising is a Ferrari 275 GTB 4. Absolutely glorious. I also enjoyed my FIAT 124 CC Coupe's exhaust too in the Ferrari/FIAT comparison stakes.
Ian so true about company politics and the Triumph Stag, and in more recent times a similar issue affects the TVR Tuscan, AJP engine, which was not built as specified, but altered by people who weren't qualified to do so. Two of my favourite cars , saddled with negative stories 😢
Well played Mr. T. A very thinly disguised, and subtly well-executed ode to the fabulous Fiat 130 Coupé masquerading under an appraisal of the 412. A twofer if ever there was one, and thanks you once again for a fascinating insight into the marvellous world of Italian machinery.
My father ran a garage in the 70's and the Fiat 130 was his favorite ever car - he was really upset when he had to give it up and "step down" to a Mk 2 XJ6!
Interesting video as always! I’ve always been a fan of this Ferrari in all its guises, but equally I too love the Fiat 130 Coupe, probably more so as a neighbour had one while I was growing up and I loved the sound of it. Great to hear Leonard Setright’s name mentioned, I loved his style of journalism, whether it was cars or Hi-Fi, he was old school and a delight to listen to.
@@iain_tyrrellLJK Setright wrote a great article about the 400i in CAR in 1984. He even wrote a poem about it. One of the reasons I have one in my garage.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed the yellow Miura going the other way. Strange you didn’t mention it. Was that in your shop for work? I once was offered a 400 in Houston Tx by Ferrari of Houston. The interior looked like a kit car, a bad kit car. We passed on it quickly.
I love your videos. So personal and huge flashbacks to a time well past. Love that you love a V6 Fiat more than a V12 Ferrari. Another awesome watch sir. Best from me Down Under in Middle Earth!
I think the earlier version of the Ferrari 412 in its 365 GT4 2+2 guise was a much better looking car - the 'flat' wheels for example on the 412 don't do it any justice. My elder brother owned an early auto 400 for a while - a stunning car to drive. A few years back in Tasmania of all places I found a dusty 1979 400i on display in a car museum. It's an ex Ferrari development vehicle retained by them and was the very first one to have the auto trans fitted (it was an ex manual car built in 1975). It started out with a carb fed engine, but was converted to fuel injection by Ferrari. It was used by Ferrari as the launch vehicle for the 400i at the Paris Motor Show in 1979. What makes this one unique is that it has ceiling mounted controls in the headlining for the entertainment system etc ala aircraft style above ones head - looks very smart. It was eventually sold in 1980 by Achilli Motors in Milan. It remained in Italy till 1996 when it new owner took it to Japan, then onto Tasmania. It's all matching numbers and has full Ferrari history and had only done 28,500 miles. Apart from the dust it looked in amazing condition, paint, trim etc. When I saw the 400 it was being advertised 4 sale - clearly a unique and fascinating Ferrari if your into this model.
'We have the technology, we can rebuild it and it won't cost 6 million dollars'. Well done, Iain. (I'll bet that went over the heads of 98% of your viewers ;) Cheers
Merci beaucoup pour ces très intéressantes explications. La Fiat 130 était une voiture très réussie. Quant à la Ferrari 412, elle reste une très belle voiture.
Hi, great vid. As a valeter or in today's speak Detailer. in 1970. I was a wash with V12 E types , and the New XJ6 , "which one day parked 8 new Xjs on the front line just to annoy the owners . Yes childish . But Fiat 130 had a Razor edge to the top of the wing. Stevie Wonder could have ran his hand down that wing and knew it was something special.
That was a righteous rant at the end; some of the casualties of mistreatment that show up at auctions are sad examples. Fascinating re exhaust, looking forward to the “Nerd’s Guide to Rasp”!
I do love these cars. There's just something that really catches my imagination when it comes to these 70's/80's Italian GT's. They're not the sportiest or gripiest or even prettiest, but they have such charisma.
The 400i is my favorite Ferrari. The 412 had the rear lines changed for the worse. The body line was perfect IMO, but the 412 lifted the trunk line (for aerodynamics?) which I don't love. A neighbor had a 400i and I was absolutely obsessed with it. I wish i could afford the upkeep as I'd have one and a Maserati Khamsin in my 2 car garage.
Really enjoyed your 412i and 130 Coupe review, love both of these cars, was lucky enough to own a 400i and loved it to bits (regreted selling it) never owned a 130 Coupe but have driven one and you are 100% right it's a beautiful looking car that sounds wonderful especially when you hit the right hand peddle hard.
As always, a great watch Iain! I believe that the lack of performance is due to the auto boxes as used at this time? The Mercs had the same problem too? A five speed manual 400 series is the best to find, in my experience...
Two of my most favourite cars of all time....Ferrari 412 and Fiat 130 Coupe. Love the similarity of their exterior designs and variations, plus the interiors of both cars were oh so gorgeous. The interior of the 412 though is possibly the best i've ever seen. The seats, door cards, dashboard are just beautiful. The 412 even had gorgeous eyeball directional air vents in the centre roof console....2 in the front, and 2 in the back. Just a superb long distance GT.
Nicely done as usual. I used to have a client back the mid- 1990's who owned virtually the same V12 Ferrari, from memory it was a lighter shade of metallic blue. It also had the classic 'T-Bar' automatic, and his understanding was that the auto gearbox was introduced to gain more market-share in the US. I had a few rides in it-very memorable. At that time I owned a 1976 Alfa Spyder, and I do believe both the Ferrari and that Alfa Spyder had the same chrome oval exterior door handles. Regarding the FIAT 130, I may be wrong, but didn't that use a version of the Dino V6?
I've always thought the front end design, headlights, bonnet, bumpers of these and the Daytona, were very similar to the Rover SD1! Look forward to part two, once you've got this beauty running sweet!
I have just realised from what Iain said during the segment about the Fiat 130 Coupe that he and I are exactly the same age! I too nearly bought a 130 Coupe at that time because they were very cheap and very much within the grasp of a young driver. The choice was between one of these, a Citroen SM or a BMW E9 3.0 CS. They were all about the same. I ended up buying the BMW E9 which I bought as a one previous owner car with 80K miles on the clock…..for £1300! 😮. I kept it for 13 years much of that time as my daily driver.
Passion and unsurpassed knowledge in every minute of every video. And I concur, I'd prefer the Fiat. It is such a great design. Sadly, still haven't quite managed to get the hang of those Euromillions yet.
Interesting you mention the Alfasud' I used to have a 1.5Ti (much missed) and delighted in taking it through tunnels with the window open. I've never had another car with such a delightful exhaust note.
The casual Mura driveby at 18:23.. Like it was 1975.. LOL
the one in his workshop
I was thinking the same:) Bonkers!!!
Thought my eyes had deceived me, had to rewind!
Always so engaging
IT and HM , two national treasures
Thanks for mentioning this-a very good spot. I think I noticed it in the workshop earlier-maybe it was out on its own road test.
I currently own a White/Blanco 1985 Ferrari 400i, with auto trans. Rumor has it that Enzo was getting letters from his "senior aged" customers about having trouble driving & holding their glass of vino, as there are NO cup-holders in the car, (it does have 2 ashtrays & 2 lighters)! Enzo decided an auto trans would be tested, first was a German box, I believe, but they exploded often, the GM TH400 was already being used by other manufactures and a proven heavy-duty unit in trucks and Corvettes...it handled the torque of the V-12 without a problem. The car is very nice to drive and ride, solid and powerful, quiet and luxurious, power brakes, power steering, power windows, a double unit A/C system was available, complete leather interior and it does have an automatic hydraulic independent rear suspension. The Bosch Fuel Injection system is "two" of everything, as Bosch only made 4 cyl, 6 cyl and 8 cyl units with the V-12 requiring 2 of the 6 cyl fuel distributors, 2 warm up units, 2 electric fuel pumps, so the car has a 6 cyl system on each side, the engine will actually run on only one bank! Yes, the main body design lasted 17 years, the longest of any Ferrari design, with changes as stated, taillamps changed from 6 to 4, the hot air vent in the hood went from silver to body color, interior and dash changed, instrument lamps changed from pale blue in 1985 400i to soft red in 1986 412, the wheels also changed in 1986 to a flatter face to accommodate the ABS system added. It has a complete metal tube chassis; the body will lift off in one piece, the hood, doors and rear trunk lid are removeable, but the front fenders and front body bumper are all welded together to the body, there is no way to simply remove a front fender or wing and replace it, all damage to the body is a major job. The power train uses a "torque tube", a hollow tube bolted to the rear of the trans and to the front of the rear diff, which is mounted solid to the frame, no "twisting of the engine or lifting of the front end, all of the power goes to the rear wheels.
I bought mine 8 years ago for a very reasonable price as it was a "non-runner" at the time, teaching myself how to work on the car, finding parts, and learning the Bosch FI had it running in 8 months and my investment had doubled in value !
The other thing is Ferrari clutches were so stiff, you would need a hip replacement if you were over 50 years of age to keep driving it.
Good job you can do all the work yourself, otherwise instead of doubling your investment you might have halved it. Anyway, well done. Fab car.
cup holders aren´t that usual in Europe nobody want´s one even less in sport cars
I looked at one 400i Auto languishing on the shop floor of my Ferrari Mechanic many months back. The shop owner said the Auto transmission only offered three gears, and was awful in the power-delivery department. He strongly recommended finding a five-speed manual that would keep the V-12 in the proper power-band, otherwise you'd be out-driven by a Mercedes diesel. The self-leveling rear suspension was straight trash, often failing - which causes the rear of the car to 'squat' onto its own tires. Koni's system there isn't worth re-building but replacing outright with better shocks. The model is HEAVILY burdened with greatly-depreciated book-values, and thus never see the maintenance required to keep them running well. Many are 'sitting', hoping a V-12 Sports-sedan renaissance takes place in the market. You'll find many available - none of them running - with owners who won't let-go or listen to reason.
Aha! What a blast! First Harry and now Iain. These two car channels are simply the best. Thank you so much! I love these weekly instalments!
For me, Sunday mornings are John with Auto Shenanigans, Harry and Ian. Then i can get on with my week
@@shankarbalan3813 Who’s this Harry chap?
@@shankarbalan3813 Who’s this Harry chap?
Harrys Garage - channel from ex EVO magazine Editor-in-chief. @@Paul-tk2my
One of his best quotes I’ve heard yet, “A lot of people are only good at destroying expensive machinery”❗️SO very true!!
That really made chuckle!
I’ve always liked the looks of Ferrari’s 400 series. It was my favorite looking Ferrari 2+2 of all time, until the 456 arrived in the 90s.
I was going to say the same thing - you beat me to it!
we are probably all GEN Xers that’s why lol! Close in age anyway. Love these
I agree
It's styling has held up quite well over the years. That GM slushbox started the slippery slope toward the all automatics offerings of today though.
Have you been hit on the head?
One of my favourite Ferraris ever and this colour combination is perfect! And as for the Fiat, for those of us old enough who would read first when the new addition of CAR magazine came out it was L.J.K´s first. The way he described handling and the detail he went into for tire choices was a thing of beauty to read!
Great colour
Thanks for mentioning L.J.K, what a phenomenal writer and character he was, there was never quite a motor journalist like him
Too true. CAR had some great writers at the time. I still remember LJK waxing lirical about Honda Prelude. @@fb30xhk
I have always believed the 365/400/412 to be a very underestimated car. Glad to hear that Iain agrees.
Yet its hideous. Looks like a squashed rover vittese
I agree totally. Always thought of it as the perfect GT, mixing elegance, comfort and power perfectly.
true that!!!i only own them as it were not considerd aceptable ,even and destroyd with the most ridiculous personalizations not that long ago
Many years ago I owned a 1974 Fiat 128 Sport L coupe (in British Racing Green) and it's little 1300 cc engine with dual throat Weber carb sounded brilliant, the raspy sound and burbles this little car produced was amazing.
A different era
Actually can't wait for the exhaust tech video
Thanks! A colleague in my DC days had a 400. When she started it in the underground parking garage, it was epic. All the best.
what a splendid video once again, growing up in the '70-ies and '80-ies I grew to love the typical Pininfarina styling, Fiat 130 coupé, Lancia Gamma, Ferrari 400/412, and even the Rolls Royce Camargue, thank you very much from the Netherlands
Love Pininfarina when he concentrates on straight clean lines, not a fan of his many wavy design's. This is quite a recent insight of mine having to do with this channel, but I believe from these related 70's coupés the Camargue is the masterpiece. Considering it's stance wasn't right at first and the difficulty of the task in the first place makes it more admirable. That Greek temple up front of a modern coupé must have been intimidating to any designer.
But if you look at the clarity of the shoulder line and these magnificently sculpted wheel arches, the car might not have worked out but Pininfarina did the most awesome job.
I also throw in the Peugeot 504 Coupe and 604 to this group
@benzinapaul7416 I didn't dare to add those two.. 😉... sheer elegance for the 504, and class and style for the 604... if they only would have built them in the quality league of Mercedes-Benz... if only...
Thank you!
The 365/400/412 is my absolute favourite Ferrari..you can keep all the rest, as nice as they are, this is a classy gentleman's car..along with the Fiat 130 in the garage.😊
What has surprised me mostly, is how modern the Tipo F101 actually looked at the introduction in 1972 in terms of the aerodynamic styling of the front, and trim refinement all round the car, in the sense that we are essentially looking a rather trivial traditional boxy FR layout in 1972. The dashboard and tunnel arrangement for the year was next level as well. Perhaps not at the magnitude of the M B R107, but certainly into that direction. The sound of the V12 is a majestic experience and hopefully will be a happy chappy after you've worked your wonders. Truly a dignified car 💓
Timeless lines and proportions, but back then, it was very modern/advanced design. Might be one of the first cars with an integrated bumper.
This has always been one of my favorite Ferraris. I love the lines, pop up lights, and the fact that it's every bit of a proper v12 grand tour Ferrari as any other and so undervalued in the market definitely adds to its appeal.
Not any more you PayPal 200.000 Euro for one
Loved these from when they came out: obviously couldn't afford one as a twelve year old; but even when the collapsed down to about £15k, all the classic magazines referred to this series as "the brave pill". I remember a C&S from the early 90s which mentioned the exhaust replacement alone was £5,000. Beautifully conceived; but as a luxury Gent's express, it's never been a bargain for anyone without deep pockets. Lovely to feature this, and be reminded of that dream- thank you, Iain.
Yes, the maintenance bills can be horrendous
Not more expensive compared to a crappy Jaguar XJS V12
Ian has a rare combination of congeniality and common sense. A joy to watch.
Thank you!
An understated Ferrari. A dream car.
What I like about Iain is he's so knowledgeable and so discerning. A real pleasure to listen to. A contrast from other car YTers I could name...
Thank you so much! My west coast (USA) Sunday morning is now complete. Best wishes Ian!
Thank you!
My Father had a 365GT4 2+2 back in the 80's . I was originally a Jersey car, DYF 51V. It's still around somewhere.
High strung and quick is always exciting....but I want to be at peace in the 400’s beautiful interior....myGod I Love this car.....The opening scene of Rainman planted the seed
The original 365 interior is the best - it still has the same chromed door-pulls as the Daytona / the chromed slider controls for heating and ventilation / the "Mickey Mouse ears" toggle switches / less bulky seats etc etc. With a proper wood-rimmed "guilloche" patterned steering wheel, it's still just about a '60s Ferrari interior - big black plastic instrument surrounds and hand-brake grip are a bit naff though - plus the steering-wheel blocks your view of the speedo and rev-counter. The 400 gradually lost all that, as it went for the "1980s HiFi-look" of featureless satin black everything, until you might just as well be sitting inside a wheelie-bin. (After decades of company cars, I came to hate black interiors...)
The 365 does have a less cluttered looking , sleeker exterior as well….
@@michaelbonade4667 The 412 loses a lot. The higher boot-line / body-coloured bumpers / clear lenses / and flatter styling of the wheels, tales a lot of the "definition" away from the shape. Indicators with clear lenses over amber, never look right - the Rover SD1 came out like this and was greatly improved when they switched to amber indicators. Similarly, Daytona's with the completely amber indicators look so much better than the ones with divided clear/amber lenses. To me, the spinners, Webers, triple tail-lights, no chin-spoiler, and older interior of the 365, make it the "last gasp" of the classic 60's Ferrari. (They are heavy when they land on you, though...)
L’Avocato is one of my all time heroes. His incredibly reckless driving was legendary and nearly the death of him. Thanks for a great episode!
These videos are a delight. The depth of your knowledge and passion is wonderful.
Thank you!
Finally have a video worth watching...haha. Mr. Ian, I have been anxiously awaited you to feature one of these FOREVER! Thank you for sharing your knowledge of these amazing machines with your special sense of wit and charm. Continued success to you sir!
Well thank you!🙏
Interesting video Iain, I too love the aural soundtrack of many Italian cars. I had a garage in the late 60's-70's and we had a few Ferrari's on our books. One of my favourites was the 330GTC, which I did many miles in and loved it's looks and unassuming styling. Classy.
Dad had an Alfa Romeo 2000GTV back on the late sixties early seventies which I was privileged to drive on occasion. As the late Colin Chapman said "add lightness". What a wonderful car to drive. Then later, I owned one of the early Alfasud sedans. Left Scotland in '74 and now in Canada. Those cars are legends now, sadly the Alfasud rusted away.
The Alfa 2000 GTV was a beast in the day. The Alfasud handled like nothing I had encountered.. still in my mind today at 75.
Love your videos!
Another amazing video, thank you. Italian cars from the 70 and 80ies are my favorites and u always have some beauties to share with us. The 400 has one of the most elegant designs ever. WOW. Love your passion about the 130. For me it’s the GTV6 , the first car I ever bought. Talk about beautiful sound. Thxs again from Southern California!
Thanks! Glad you enjoy the content, and greetings to you in CA!
“There’s no frisson of frequencies going on”
So very British 😂. You’re quite the wordsmith Mr. T. Greetings from the USA 🇺🇸
Thank you! Greetings to you too!
Very smooth @ 17:26 one of the other cars in the shop going past like it's an everyday occurrence lol
The fitting of the GM automatic gearbox to this grand tourer model was a shrewd move and was evidently appreciated by customers. I've read that the model was never officially imported into the US, too. I admire the engineering that goes into a V12 engine but, if I notice a car with a V12 in town traffic, often the sound is a bit 'busy' as if there is too much going on and it's not at its happiest. I wonder how much time is in the service schedule for checking the valve clearances.
Thanks for another enthralling video. The comparison with the Fiat was thought provoking. The GT styling of the 400 series also reminds me of some Montiverdi models.
This video is all over the shop, from Fiat to Stags, Miura passing by. Love it.
I had the same emotions to the 130. I enjoyed the 500, 650. Then I found my "Sky Blue, Triumph Herald Convertible. Fiat was the Krishnamurti of Automobile Worship. The original Fiat 500 is an Art Deco Masterpiece. All I remember as a kid was curly walnut, dark green colours and loosing anything I held in my hand stuck out of the window. Good show.
Iain,
I love the fact you called the FIAT 130 Coupe a "beautifully rounded car" when it was very clearly designed with only rulers, no French curves!
It is still pretty, elegant and sophisticated.
I was offered one years back, my wife's uncle was a very successful film editor and had a 130 Coupe in his back garden rotting away. We couldn't work out a deal sadly. But it would have ruinous to get it going and running it.
The 400 series Ferrari's were always understated, which is a tough sell in that market.
Probably a lot better to own than many would make out, still basically 365 running gear, what is not to like.
Hello Mr Tyrrell
Thank you for yet another video with 25 minutes of excellence in knowledge sharing!
It's allways a pleasure that I enjoy in my Sunday evenings.
I am gratefull for that.
Allow me to kindly clarify the issue of the Agnelli family's Fiat 130s.
There were four Fiat 130 Familiare, designed by Centro Stile Fiat and manufactured by Officina Introzzi near Como. They all had different color schemes. Today the whereabouts of 3 of the 4 made are known.
The Fiat 130 Opera is a 4-door sedan, almost a 4-door coupe, based on the Fiat 130 Coupé and presented at the 1975 Geneva Motor Show. In the previous year - 1974 - at the same Show, a 3-door station wagon also based on the 130 Coupé had been presented - the Fiat 130 Maremma, . Both were prototypes designed by Pininfarina.
Thanks for clarifying!
@@iain_tyrrell you're welcome. My Fiat passion makes me write long nerdy texts.
FANTASTIC VIDEO AS ALWAYS Tyrell, I always enjoy your analysis & incredible expertise on Italian & other exotics, and this one was no exception, as I hope one day soon I can get one of these stunning Ferrari 412 as my own personal dream car accomplishment, lol. I hear so many stories about Ferrari & their weird policies, and things you can & can't do with your own Ferrari lol. I am with a tech company, & I can now afford any & all Ferrari cars I want, ( I truly love the cars from the 1960s-1990s), but I am impressed with all their modern cars, hybrids, etc, But, more to the point I LOVE your videos & analysis & recommendations. Thank you Tyrell for your expertise & amazing incredible Channel.
Thank you! Much appreciated
Mr. Tyrrell, I always enjoy the content of your videos and this was no exception. Since there will be a Part II, may I request an in-depth look at the dual K-Jet setup on the Ferrari 412? For those of us attempting to keep other vehicles equipped with Bosch's K-Jetronic on the road, I believe it would be invaluable to watch you work your magic on this Ferrari's mechanical fuel injection, especially since it will surely require more than just a turn of the idle/ mixture screws.
As ever, thank you for the entertaining and informative content, and I shall look forward to watching you re-enact your run to the Wirral Peninsula through the Mersey Tunnel in a Fiat 130. Had the best fish-and-chips ever on the Wirral....
I will indeed be looking at the fuel systems. Thanks for sharing!
Could you please do a technical deep dive on the suspension and engine repair on the 412? The longer and the more technical, the better.
Thanks for the suggestions. Stay tuned for Part 2
I've owned a 1993 740iL for years restoring it as my finances have allowed. Just recently the nitrogen canisters in the pressurised rear suspension lost all their gas turning one of the best handling cars into a real bucking bronco. Almost undrivable on the badly maintained New England Hwy. The canisters ate very rare and unavailable in Australia but fortunately the brilliant mechanics that keep the Bimmer in mint condition have finally tracked some down in Germany! Didn't know Ferrari and Citroen used them back in the 70's.
@@kmacca-qldaus: And Rolls-Royce. And Mercedes-Benz. And Maserati.
Oh yes! @@iain_tyrrellmore technical the better.
A minutes walk from my house are two 130 saloons sitting on a drive, one partially covered, one open to the elements.
How they have survived after probably 30+ years sitting in English weather I don't quite know.
Such elegant cars. Hope you can do a follow-up video and take her out again once the issues are resolved, Iain.
Thanks. I’m sure we can
Mr. Tyrrell, you have created another “home run” video. Great job!
Thank you!
What a sound, though! I own, the most original RHD Alfasud Ti in Europe, and have heard a lot of Alfa 33, same engine, big bore exhausts, sounding like Subarus! Next year, I will bring the Kalahari Desert Sud, for you to have a drive. There was definitely something going on with Italian exhausts back then. Great video 💚🤍❤
It was a 1977 Alfasud Ti, pea green, which used to scream down our road when I was a boy, that got me started on Alfa Romeo. I’m on my third.
@@simonhodgetts6530 I read about Alfasuds in 1981, and I sure I’m on the last of 7 I’ve owned 😂
yes, some "deep intel" regarding exhaust technology by country would be a delight to learn about!
I saw a Ferrari 365 GT4 2+2 win a category at the Concours of Elegance a couple of years ago. It's a Pininfarina design that I think has stood the test of time and still looks fresh today.
Raspy exhaust 's
Fist 131 sporting
Fiat 132
Had the lot in the day 👍
Thanks for the memories
Hi, I had 131 mirafiori such a sweet sound car! Really comfortable, great to drive and nice looking but it just fell apart even though it only had 41k miles. Was really sorry to see it go but when the passenger seat collapsed and the headlights filled with water and that’s just from my memory.
Would be nice to have a tour of the 412, particularly its interior.
Be sure to take a Triumph Stag when you go to the tunnel Ian. Glorious sounding V8
They do sound rather lovely!
My dad had a Fiat 130 then got a Ferrari 400. Both lovely. I remember him saying that the Ferrari was the only car he’d ever owned in which you could watch the fuel needle visibly move. Mind you, that was when he’d got it up to 140mph at which point it must’ve been doing
Or even less maybe!
@@iain_tyrrell Probably! We went to pick up the 130 in my Dad's then car, a BMW 635CSI. He drove the Fiat home and I drove the BM. As a 17yr old, who'd recently learnt to drive in my Mum's 2nd hand Peugeot 104 that was a treat!
412 is more desirable to me than 456 GT, partly because it sounds more musical ❤
Thank you Sir! Every video is a mine of brilliant information.
Look forward to the video you promise us about exhaust lines and materiales! I’m very curios about it.
Just wondering…I believe, but I could be wrong and happy if correct explanations come from you, that “italian engineering school” back then coming mostly from small engines was prone to get best performance from these engines trying to make something cheap in terms of consumotion and taxes for mainly italian customers. For this reason I suppose that small valves, crossed inlet/outlet valves duration and small diamater exhaust lines for maximizing backpressure were the recipe for torque small engine at low/medium revs and also for that lovely raspy notes both on acceleration than deceleratiin.
Thanks as ever for your attention and your entertaining masterclasses! Have a nice evening. Max
Thanks Max, the Italian engineers were no slouches when it came to maximising an engine’s potential
Talking about exhaust/engine sounds, IMHO, the best and most hair raising is a Ferrari 275 GTB 4. Absolutely glorious. I also enjoyed my FIAT 124 CC Coupe's exhaust too in the Ferrari/FIAT comparison stakes.
Another striking episode from this wonderfull channel. What a please to watch. Thanks for sharing this moments with us. Cheers from Brazil, again.
Thank you! Cheers to you in Brazil too
I’ve been waiting for this review for quite some time. What a delight
Really love the 412
A true automobile connoisseur, what a fantastic display of detail this description
Ian so true about company politics and the Triumph Stag, and in more recent times a similar issue affects the TVR Tuscan, AJP engine, which was not built as specified, but altered by people who weren't qualified to do so. Two of my favourite cars , saddled with negative stories 😢
I must be a nerd because this is fascinating. Thank you for sharing what you do Tyrrell.
I think my father had one of those 130s in saloon guise. He raved about the engine.. less so about everything else, particularly the rust.
This has got to be the most car geek video you have ever put out. And I loved every 24 minutes and 59 seconds of it. Don't stop.
Thank you!
As the first video i watched this morning, that tick "DING" sound felt like the third carburator enrichment on a cold engine! 14:19
Well played Mr. T. A very thinly disguised, and subtly well-executed ode to the fabulous Fiat 130 Coupé masquerading under an appraisal of the 412. A twofer if ever there was one, and thanks you once again for a fascinating insight into the marvellous world of Italian machinery.
Thanks. I promise the finished vid will be on the 412 only!
A Lamborghini Miura drives past and you don’t even react! You’re spoiled, Iain 😂
Probably from his workshop, that's why.
one of my favorite ferraris!!! V12 FR GATED MANUAL CARBED how ENZO intended a street car to be! and looks charming!
Did you miss the bit about the fuel injection fault? 😉👍
Agnelli had the best Ferrari, the one with the central driving position long before McLaren - the 365 P Berlinetta Speciale.
My father ran a garage in the 70's and the Fiat 130 was his favorite ever car - he was really upset when he had to give it up and "step down" to a Mk 2 XJ6!
I’ve always loved the design of the Fiat 130 coupe and the Ferrari 412. I always felt that the Bitter SC design could have been inspired by the 412.
No more by the Peugeot 604 and Fat 130
Really enjoyed your comments from your point of view. Makes the videos so much more special thanks!!!!
Interesting video as always! I’ve always been a fan of this Ferrari in all its guises, but equally I too love the Fiat 130 Coupe, probably more so as a neighbour had one while I was growing up and I loved the sound of it. Great to hear Leonard Setright’s name mentioned, I loved his style of journalism, whether it was cars or Hi-Fi, he was old school and a delight to listen to.
Thank you. He was brilliant
@@iain_tyrrellLJK Setright wrote a great article about the 400i in CAR in 1984. He even wrote a poem about it. One of the reasons I have one in my garage.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed the yellow Miura going the other way. Strange you didn’t mention it. Was that in your shop for work? I once was offered a 400 in Houston Tx by Ferrari of Houston. The interior looked like a kit car, a bad kit car. We passed on it quickly.
Yes, the Miura was out on road test
Warms my heart,that in that pricelist at 10:45 ish under the 1972 Range Rover,you can see a SAAB 95 Kombi,with a Köln Ford 1765cc V-4.
I love your videos.
So personal and huge flashbacks to a time well past.
Love that you love a V6 Fiat more than a V12 Ferrari.
Another awesome watch sir.
Best from me Down Under in Middle Earth!
Just so cool. Free spirited 70’s. The wedge design never gets old
Another great and very informative video Iain. Can't wait for part 2.
I bet the owner will be amazed at the difference when the car is sorted.
Thanks. We certainly hope so!
I think the earlier version of the Ferrari 412 in its 365 GT4 2+2 guise was a much better looking car - the 'flat' wheels for example on the 412 don't do it any justice.
My elder brother owned an early auto 400 for a while - a stunning car to drive.
A few years back in Tasmania of all places I found a dusty 1979 400i on display in a car museum. It's an ex Ferrari development vehicle retained by them and was the very first one to have the auto trans fitted (it was an ex manual car built in 1975). It started out with a carb fed engine, but was converted to fuel injection by Ferrari. It was used by Ferrari as the launch vehicle for the 400i at the Paris Motor Show in 1979. What makes this one unique is that it has ceiling mounted controls in the headlining for the entertainment system etc ala aircraft style above ones head - looks very smart. It was eventually sold in 1980 by Achilli Motors in Milan. It remained in Italy till 1996 when it new owner took it to Japan, then onto Tasmania. It's all matching numbers and has full Ferrari history and had only done 28,500 miles. Apart from the dust it looked in amazing condition, paint, trim etc. When I saw the 400 it was being advertised 4 sale - clearly a unique and fascinating Ferrari if your into this model.
Thank you- very interesting
'We have the technology, we can rebuild it and it won't cost 6 million dollars'.
Well done, Iain. (I'll bet that went over the heads of 98% of your viewers ;)
Cheers
Merci beaucoup pour ces très intéressantes explications. La Fiat 130 était une voiture très réussie. Quant à la Ferrari 412, elle reste une très belle voiture.
Un plaisir!
Hi, great vid. As a valeter or in today's speak Detailer. in 1970. I was a wash with V12 E types , and the New XJ6 , "which one day parked 8 new Xjs on the front line just to annoy the owners . Yes childish . But Fiat 130 had a Razor edge to the top of the wing. Stevie Wonder could have ran his hand down that wing and knew it was something special.
That was a righteous rant at the end; some of the casualties of mistreatment that show up at auctions are sad examples. Fascinating re exhaust, looking forward to the “Nerd’s Guide to Rasp”!
Thank you on both counts!
I do love these cars. There's just something that really catches my imagination when it comes to these 70's/80's Italian GT's. They're not the sportiest or gripiest or even prettiest, but they have such charisma.
Yes- time is being kind to them
@@iain_tyrrell... As I hope it is to you too!
The 400i is my favorite Ferrari. The 412 had the rear lines changed for the worse. The body line was perfect IMO, but the 412 lifted the trunk line (for aerodynamics?) which I don't love. A neighbor had a 400i and I was absolutely obsessed with it. I wish i could afford the upkeep as I'd have one and a Maserati Khamsin in my 2 car garage.
Nice choice!
Really enjoyed your 412i and 130 Coupe review, love both of these cars, was lucky enough to own a 400i and loved it to bits (regreted selling it) never owned a 130 Coupe but have driven one and you are 100% right it's a beautiful looking car that sounds wonderful especially when you hit the right hand peddle hard.
Have always loved these and never understood why they are still so overlooked
Only missing a Lancia Gamma Coupe 2500 S1 (and a Rolls Camargue) to see all the design variations that were carried on by Pininfarina.
As always, a great watch Iain! I believe that the lack of performance is due to the auto boxes as used at this time? The Mercs had the same problem too? A five speed manual 400 series is the best to find, in my experience...
The manual 400 is a different car altogether from the auto
Two of my most favourite cars of all time....Ferrari 412 and Fiat 130 Coupe. Love the similarity of their exterior designs and variations, plus the interiors of both cars were oh so gorgeous.
The interior of the 412 though is possibly the best i've ever seen. The seats, door cards, dashboard are just beautiful.
The 412 even had gorgeous eyeball directional air vents in the centre roof console....2 in the front, and 2 in the back. Just a superb long distance GT.
Great review and that 130 coupe is gorgeous one of my favourites as indeed the 124 and 132 were all great in their day.
Nicely done as usual. I used to have a client back the mid- 1990's who owned virtually the same V12 Ferrari, from memory it was a lighter shade of metallic blue. It also had the classic 'T-Bar' automatic, and his understanding was that the auto gearbox was introduced to gain more market-share in the US. I had a few rides in it-very memorable. At that time I owned a 1976 Alfa Spyder, and I do believe both the Ferrari and that Alfa Spyder had the same chrome oval exterior door handles. Regarding the FIAT 130, I may be wrong, but didn't that use a version of the Dino V6?
Yes, same door handles. The top- end of the 130’s engine is based on the Fiat 128 of all things, but the bottom- end is very similar to the Dino 246
Another great video understated elegance unlike so many modern cars. If one still exists, a review of an alfa sud sprint veloce coupe would be good.
One day hopefully
I've always thought the front end design, headlights, bonnet, bumpers of these and the Daytona, were very similar to the Rover SD1! Look forward to part two, once you've got this beauty running sweet!
Yes, the SD1 was unashamedly influenced by the Ferraris
A very interesting vlog with great content. Part 2 when Iain has worked his magic should be eye opening.
I have just realised from what Iain said during the segment about the Fiat 130 Coupe that he and I are exactly the same age!
I too nearly bought a 130 Coupe at that time because they were very cheap and very much within the grasp of a young driver. The choice was between one of these, a Citroen SM or a BMW E9 3.0 CS. They were all about the same.
I ended up buying the BMW E9 which I bought as a one previous owner car with 80K miles on the clock…..for £1300! 😮. I kept it for 13 years much of that time as my daily driver.
This was the first Ferrari I have been in seating in the back aged 12 same color too.
THE shape of the late 70's.... timeless elegance.
Thank you Mr Tyrell, not a huge fan of this car, but I do appreciate it… I’ve had a 1973 911 E since 1980, which has worked for me, even as a teacher.
What a wonderful channel. Thank you, Iain.
Thank you too
The aural magic of exhaust notes... Love the review!
can't wait for the exhaust video!
Passion and unsurpassed knowledge in every minute of every video. And I concur, I'd prefer the Fiat. It is such a great design. Sadly, still haven't quite managed to get the hang of those Euromillions yet.
Thank you for your appreciation
Beautiful car..looking forward to seeing it completed! Bravo!
Loved reading LJK SETRIGHT ,s ramblings .
He was a good motoring journalist and had a regular column in Bike magazine. He was something of an admirable eccentric too.
Interesting you mention the Alfasud' I used to have a 1.5Ti (much missed) and delighted in taking it through tunnels with the window open. I've never had another car with such a delightful exhaust note.