It's always a pleasure to listen to Iain explaining how things work, regardless of whether I already knew it or not. The point about reinventing the wheel every time also applies to the Italian car industry. South of the Alps, we could definitely have used more of that patient, methodical refinement approach that has served the Germans so well.
Its a bit simplistic attributing refinement under the country banner. The VW Beetle and Ferrari stories is a direct contradiction to this theory. Lamborghini, Toyota, Honda, Nissan...
I’ve learned a lot from this video, I have both a 968 cab and a coupe and appreciate any knowledge imparted on me. Iain articulates his knowledge in a very easy relaxed style that is simply engaging.
Base, manual 968 coupes are the real bargain nowadays! Everything but some of the weight savings and suspension parts are identical to the CS, but they are much cheaper today. With some fresh Bilsteins and Michelins, it will drive just as well tough.
I have a 1988 924S. So same basic suspension set up as this. It was the last UK press car so has Sports suspension, thicker anti roll bars and it’s lowered a bit from factory. The handling is incredible and every time I drive it I smile like you did in this video. On rails as you described is spot on. You can push it and push it and it eventually judders a bit at the back end to tell you enough is enough. The best handling car I’ve ever driven by far. I bought it to do up and sell but 20 mins into a drive to my workshop I knew I’d never part with it!
As a passionate aircooled Porsche fan and owner, I will say the 968 CS is the one watercooled I would love to have. Its styling, the jettison of creature comforts, and the improved performance and handling seems like it would be such a fun car to drive.
Iain, you did a great job describing the German psyche. I'm American yet I have family in Rheinland Pfalz in Germany, so I understand the German psyche (which is also my psyche). The German psyche is to evolve technology. It can be summed up in German "Deutsch gemacht--alles in Ordnung" --German engineered, everything in order.
I am german and I fear we are loosing this" german made, all in order"in the moment. There are to many german people around whose interest is only in "work- life balance" and " save the planet from climate change". Instead of hard and consistant labour which our ancestors did and in which way Germany was rebuild after the catastrophic WW 2.
@@volkerkonig9376 Da hast du Recht. Of course it is important that we all protect this planet that we live on, because that is healthy for us to do. Aber, auf der anderen Seite, es gibt mehr und mehr, dass zu viele Leute arbeiten nicht werden. They use politically correct nonsense to do so. Das ist nicht richtig, aber das ist zurzeit die Situation.
@@volkerkonig9376 Da hast du Recht. It's good for us to be concerned about this planet because our health depends on it. Aber, auf der anderen Seite, heutzutage wollen viele Leute nicht zu arbeiten. That's to their disadvantage eventually, yet it does affect global productivity. Aber das ist zurzeit die Situation.
Makes me miss my old 1985.5 944, I went through that car front to back and it drove and rode like new, even the shifter linkage was tight after I put some flat model helicopter bearings on the rod-to-lever pin. It was just so lovely and balanced. Never left me stranded, pretty nice to work on and would just keep accelerating because of the low drag. And it looked stunning on its larger polished aluminium 16 inch turbo teledials
@@iain_tyrrell I console myself knowing it went to a loving home and it allowed me, then a student just finishing my college, to buy my other childhood dream: an olive green pearl 850 T-5R manual estate. Looking back, the cars I owned in my twenties were the most special, before life threw its inevitable spanners of responsibility into the works. Thanks for another highly enjoyable episode, Iain.
That’s my old car !! Had it for several years , about 2 years ago. It has a fantastic service history and file of work done , it was a bit of a mess when I got it, nice to see my clean engine bay is still shiny😂. I put it through a classic auction and despite the letter from Porsche and a few other bits of proof, the consensus was it actually isn’t a club sport !! It’s just a Sport lux, without a rear wiper, with elec widows and rear seats, it’s right on the change year. I replaced the stickers and rear badge and put black Ppf on the leading edges of the wings and sills to protect against stone chips . Loved that car, used it hard , it drove so well and never let me down. Polished it to death , if I remember right the paint is a bit thin on the front passenger wing and under the door handle . I has the worlds largest 4 cylinder production engine , it’s a 3ltr . Lovely to see it again , gone some great pics of it somewhere . Sorry to say it’s not a true Club Sport , but no one really knows, enjoy it
My father in law had a std black 968 back in the early 90s but I didn't give it a second look as I didn't like the styling much. I think its grown on me in the meantime as a bit of a 944/928 hybrid but really I prefer the 944/928 look separated into distinct cars rather than blended. I have both 944 Silver Rose and 928GT in my garage, neither garage queens but well used and well maintained. It would be great to try a 968 for comparison, even seeing one these days is super rare. Thanks for the interesting video
Oh this one brings back memories ❤ remembering my early days in mechanical school and a friend had one. Seems like yesterday but its over 20 year's ago 😅
Hi, So Porsche made 1538 CS of which 179 were delivered to the UK as Club Sports and another 306 were delivered as "P35 CS Luxury Package" and badged as the 968 Sport by Porsche Cars GB . You can tell the difference on the build sheets as the Sports are all listed as P35 and have electric windows and were only available in model years 1994/1995 when rear seats were added to the options list. It wasn't possible to order a "Club Sport" with electric windows in the UK. This car was originally registered as a 968 Sport (I test drove it for a perspective owner around 10 years ago). So there were actually only around 1232 Club Sports and 306 Sports but they all left the factory as CS's originally. I hope this helps and happy to answer any questions on the model.
A friend of mine ran a garage near Tower Bridge selling restored 912s from the states, I remember him letting me have a drive in a 968 Club Sport that he'd acquired back in the mid 90s and I have to agree that it was the best handling car that I've ever driven. I went on to purchase a 944.
When Iain digresses, I listen with awe. Departures into affiliated trivia enrich the monologue and enlarge the education. Not entirely happy with the "wheezy" slights on the 924 though, but I can have my cake and eat it- my NA 924 is a good daily driver and my two children both learned to drive in it. Paired with our 924 Turbo, it holds a place in my heart as my first classic and will be staying. The 968 destined to be like the 964 in my opinion.
Iain, I thought you'd spoiled us by giving us 2 sessions of the white board but then we had a 3rd!! Fabulous!! Joking aside, a great video of a great car.
I've always looked at the 924/944/968 with a little bit of disdain...until a friend lent me his 968 for a couple of weeks. The engine has some grunt. It's not exceptional but it has some grunt. And the chassis feels both precise and light on its toes. Overall a very balanced and endearing engine/chassis combo whereas many classic cars tend to have a chassis *or* an engine but not a sweet combination like this. I'd love to try the very rare turbo variant boosting power from 240 to 305.
Great video! I would love, to see you explaining 70s GTV6/Alfasud suspension and inboard disc. I should know this as I own a Sid, but I believe the front shock absorbers are upside down. Like a motorbike. And passive rear steer. The GTV6 is even more fascinating…
Porsche elected to use a balance shaft system on the 944 to 'subdue' to the unbalanced secondary forces generated by an in-line four cylinder - which become 'notable' as the capacity (and hence recipricating mass) of the engine increases. Whilst the balance shaft system was actually invented by the Englishman Frederick Lanchester in 1907, Mitsubishi developed and patented their own version called the 'Silent Shaft' in 1976. Porsche did develop their own balance shaft system for the 944 however, Porsche discovered that the Mitsubishi system was a superior solution. Consequently, Porsche paid Mitsubishi a royalty of circa $US 6 to 8 per car to use Mitsubishi's 'Silent Shaft' for their large capacity 4 cyl engines - i.e. the 944 and 968 Porsche cars.
Had a new 94 on a L , Best car I have ever had handling wise .Loved it …..then family arrived .3.0 240 Hp was a plenty .Saw 168 mph ( autobahn ) A mate in his 962 C2 couldn’t keep up esp on the twisty bits .
Another great video! I've never owned a transaxle Porsche but several years ago I did test drive a few 944s with the intent to buy. The 944S that I was near purchasing was a real visceral pleasure to drive. That one had really feelsome, manual steering and a 4 valve eager engine. Wonderful cars.
Another great video, a few errors but as its all off the cuff how can you complain! I have a 944 S2 coupe and it is a joy to drive, very communicative and responsive. Your point on the slop in the gear linkage, I have an "Only 944" short shift linkage in my car, they might do the same type of kit for the 968; it certainly makes a big difference.
Great video Ian enjoyed it. I have a manual rack in my S2, a little heavy at parking but on the road its almost telepathic steering. They are the only mods on my car I have standard suspension. 11 years of fun and enjoyment and still counting, just waiting for better weather!@@iain_tyrrell
Very nice car, in addition to the 911 I like the not so hyped Wagens from Stuttgart as well, the 924, 928, 944 and 968. The FIAT coupe was a really nice background. As an aviation enthusiast for me the Comet and the Boeing 707 in the gold speedbird livery also enhanced the wow factor!
Thank you again. I knew about the 924 and the 944. I hadn't realised they had done a further model. Very interesting to see. I must ask, are you going to do an episode of the 1920's car I keep seeing in the background?
Two different vehicles: I owned a USA version of the 924. It had decent air conditioning and a better two-place rear compartment. Under the glass hatch, there was enough space for us to store whatever gear we needed for backpacking! It was canary yellow and my 9 and 10-year-old sons loved it. It DID have fine dry-road handling, with the rear suspension doing amazing things. The engine was so noisy that I had to put a power-boosting amplifier in it to listen to music on my typical two-hour drives to see my family on the weekends. One example: my employer's mistress chose to ride in this car to an event rather than in his Lincoln. Fortunately, the engine noise trumped her curiosity and she was happy to ride in his Lincoln on the way back.
On this cars launch I was involved in Porsche's UK tour event and drove a number of RHD versions hard. I always remember the grunty engine and well-balanced handling. Great days 👍
I'm undecided on the black evo magazine did a retrospective review in 19 and that car was stunning in white----i believe they are brilliant to drive 😊.
What a nice car, a dream for a petrol head, you understand it because the feel with the road is outstanding. The car needs a bit of love at the underside to make it new and ready for a lot of driving ❤️
With the 924 being very much a 'parts bin car', the earliest 924's suspension consisted of most of the parts from the 1303 Beetle. There were some differences but many of the parts interchange. As Porsche developed the 924, with changes like 4 wheel / 5 stud disc brakes for the turbo, these parts can easily be used to upgrade 1303 Beetles - they pretty much bolt on. The 1303 front suspension was in turn developed from the 1302 - the first Beetle with McPherson Struts in 1970. The rear suspension dates back to the 1968 semi-automatic VW Type 3, which was used in semi auto Beetles around the same time, then later in many manual Beetle models too. So the 968's suspension development history goes back quite a few years more than the 924.
All the 968 versions were 3.0. The last of the 944 s2 was also a 3.0. Great engines these, better on a track than the 2.5 turbos due to no lag, loads of linear power and big power at high revs due to variable valve timing. Owned all variants inc a 968 M030 CS non lux. One of these with a fast road/track geo setup is a wonderful thing 😎, one with a poor geo set up will have you if not careful! 👹
They allegedly made 179 RHD cars. I own an RHD Speed Yellow 170k mile UK supplied car that’s on collecting cars as I type this. 3 owners from new. Absolutely superb machine that I’ve loved owning for the last 18ish years.
I owned and drove for nearly 100000miles a 944 TurboS. I wish I had never sold it ! The turbo power delivery was a bit wild though, with loads of turbo lag, so the 3L 16 valve cars (968 and 944S2) are probably better bets.
My dad had the 944 silver rose edition.. circa 1990.. absolute stunning with the turbo etched on the front wing.. burgundy tartan plaid interior no sunroof !.. thanks for this presentation excellent and informative...
I had a 3.0 944 S2 I loved that car . Especially at night with the pop up headlight on . It felt really fast at the time , probably be thrashed by a run of the mill golf now 😂
The interior is very minimalistic, isn't it, Iain? I love the term 'transmogrify'. I always liked the 924 and 924 turbo. Brilliant video, as usual. I learn a lot from you.
I remember Mann Island Porsche had a road test day at the St Davids Hotel in Ewloe in the early 90's and they had one, I got an invite and had quite a blast around the lanes of Hawarden in it and Iam sure we went along your "test track" Iain, definitely went through Sandycroft though, also took out a 944 Turbo, a Carrera 4 and a 928, a rather splendid day out 👍 Edit : Didn't the Audi RS2 Avant have club sport wheels and brakes on it as OEM ?
All 968 had servo steering, it’s not a Lux package thing. Could have mentioned the Variocam system and the M030 option which was not a part of the Club Sport package ++. If you look for bang for the buck a standard 968 car is a much better option. But always nice to watch 968 content.
I really enjoyed the video; it was always my understanding that the two balance shafts were a Mitsubishi invention and indeed Porsche had to license it from them
I've always had a week spot for the 944. The 924 was overlooked. The 968 was a car at the end of the run. The Audi 5cyl or some Porsche derived version would have been an awesome package with that unique sound and bark.😊
Audi 5 cylinder lovely sounding engine agree, but as they were all at that time cast iron blocks, whereas the 944 was a full alloy engine not even cast iron liners, the extra weight would have ruined the front balance and turn-in, probably increasing understeer. No one's ever complained about Ford Cosworths only being 4 cylinders. 🤔
I understand that Mitsubishi had this counterbalance technology as well. I have forgotten over time whether this technology was “stolen” from Porsche, or whether they came up with the same idea independently, or which manufacturer was the first to bring the idea to mass market. My recollection is that Mitsubishi brought it to market before Porsche.
You know why German manufacturers have better worker relations? - Mitbestimmungsgesetz. A German law from 1976 that requires companies of over 2000 employees to have half the supervisory board of directors as representatives of workers, and just under half the votes. Imagine suggesting that here - you'd be accused of being a communist or something.
Ian, you mentioned a few times at the start the 968 was 2.5 litres. The 968 was always 3.0 litres and at the time was the largest capacity 4 cylinder car engine in production. Handles like a dream with bags of smiles.
@@rallychamp01The 924 S used the same 2.5 liter engine, but with slightly lower power (150 hp in 1986-1987 and 160 hp in 1988). The 944 S also used the same 2.5 liter engine, but with a 16-valve cylinder head and 190 hp.
Ian, presenting a car video like this and describing the car's performance with "it doesn't set anyone's underwear on fire" without making a face is only possible for an Englishman. This is exactly why I appreciate your videos so much. Compliments on that.
A little over 10 years ago a mate purchased a white 968 CS in Sydney ( Australia )( RHD of course) and was very busy with his business at the time. Knowing I was on holidays at the time he asked me if I could fly there and drive the car back to Melbourne for him. I drove from Sydney to Canberra and from there headed up over the Snowy Mountains on the winding mountain roads and back to Melbourne. What a car. Completely in it's element. A trip I will never forget. When I arrived and my mate asked what I thought of the car. I told him it was like driving a full size go-kart.
Even the regular 968 is excellent. I bought a 60,000 miles one for $15,000 in 2019 and it's the best daily driver sports car I've owned. It fits a bicycle or 2 sets of golf clubs. Wonderful car!!
Likewise.. most practical and fun car I can imagine. I have done long motorway journeys and also enjoy short blasts in the countryside and can throw a lot of stuff in the rear.
@@DavidMorley I came across a Wimbledon green (!) one at a small used car lot in Philadelphia and drove from Saratoga the next day. I was looking for a cheapo Boxster and ended up with 968 coupe instead. Super happy. Enjoy yours!
Great tribute to one of the front engine marvels that Porsche came up with in the mi-80’s to mid-90’s, along with its older brother the 944 and the outstanding 928s, s4, GT, GTS. It’s such a pity that Porsche gave up on this line. Absolutely beautiful cars, too. The 928 being the best with its timeless design.
Great video! Sport and Clubsport variants are both excellent; well they’re both from the Clubsport line. This particular car is well known in 968 circles and is 1 of 306 special order Sports (Porsche GB ordered them) and not 1 of 179 C16 CS cars. Still a very rare car. Rather than bring snobbery though, the issue is that the market values Sports and CSs differently and if a car is being passed off as a 1 of 179 CS to up its perceived value, then that’s naughty and as ever, Caveat Emptor. The Lux pack is a misnomer. It wasn’t an option on the CS in the UK, though was in Europe. The Sport is the equivalent and because it came from the same production line, will doubtless have the Porsche certificate of authenticity that it has a CS VIN number, which it will. But it’s still a special order Sport.
@@iain_tyrrell I know one of the previous owners (M.P. in the docs) if you want more info as I test drove it for him in Dec13. I think his number is in the file and he put the CS stickers on the sides etc and prob owned it the longest most recently. Hope this helps!
I don’t doubt Iain knows his onions and the car will be excellently presented. But it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a Sport and therefore worth less than a CS. But ultimately, it’s only worth what someone will pay for it but Iain has a reputation to protect so will want to do his due diligence to avoid any misrepresentation.
Just fabulous again Ian. Such Mastery of both automotive science and intelligible communication, which is genuinely and distinctively a unique gift. Of course, it does explain the success of your entire business. However, this all for us to enjoy on YT is just not seen before at this top level, and is always such a captivating delight. Thank you so much again 🙂🙂🙂
It’s an incredible gift you have, Iain, to explain technical matters in such an accessible and engaging manner. I’m a technical Luddite who has an aversion to greasy rags but you had me captivated by the art of maintaining an adequate contact patch! Splendid work, as always. 👏🏻
😆 I had to go back a couple of times to around 13.35 to see the expression on Iain’s face when he opened it up and rounded that bend 😂 Quickly followed by relief and a smile. Priceless. As always, a thoroughly enjoyable watch.
I see a Tyrrell's Classic Workshop video, instant watch for me.^^ Also, nice to see the Porsche 968 now featured in the channel. In addition, these cars are very underrated indeed.
Makes me think of my father’s 1986 944 Turbo in Sapphire Metallic bought new from Lynch Porsche in Chicago.. One of the greatest Saturdays in my life was spending a good part of the day with my dad test driving various Porsche’s that day..
My very first car was a 968 convertible and i kept it for almost 15 years. Too bad maintenance was a pain, here in France. Most Porsche specialists knew too little about them, or didn't even want to work on them. Parts availability was also an issue.
I couldn’t agree more with all his comments. Brilliant technical knowledge, but they are 3.0 litre. I am biased though towards it all, because I own one. Purchased new in 1994, and it’s still with me. But it’s the Sport version. It only has 44,000 mls on the clock, and spends more of its time now, with its coat on in my garage. Fantastic report.👍
Classic quote at 23:58, "Porsche really did refine what's basically is a flawed design into something that works superbly". Seems to apply to Porsche's rear-engined 911 design as well.
I had one of these in Grand Prix white and It's the only car I regret selling. I bought an M5 as it's replacement and that was the only car I regret buying.
As usual an excellent video, but you missed out the key evolution step between 924 and 944. The 924 carrera GT was that step. 75 made in RHD 400 overa;ll to homologate for group 4 so they could race at Le Mans. light weight plastic panels for front and rear wings from which the 944 steel shell was derived. with 210 bhp form 2 liters and less than 1000kg no one could call it slow.
Buy a 3.0 S2 944 a much better car the 968s suspension was way to hard, plus it comes with the turbo body and later cars come with a much prettier rear spoiler
There's nothing artificial about Iain... I'd rather he just continues building up this excellent body of videos that can be enjoyed (hopefully) for a very, very long time....
An A.I Ian Tyrell would never be able to fine-tune a classic Lamborghini V12 by listening to it through the end of an old screwdriver and then tickling it back to health whilst wearing a Rolex Submariner. 😃
What is ironic that 968 Club Sport was the cheapest one available in the whole range of 968. Now Porsche charges more for removing things. And let's not even start how expensive 964 and 933 RS models are now. Let's just say they are insanely expensive and leave it at that. 968 CS is probably 1/10 of their price... and it's rarer. Crazy investment potential in this model, imho.
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It's always a pleasure to listen to Iain explaining how things work, regardless of whether I already knew it or not. The point about reinventing the wheel every time also applies to the Italian car industry. South of the Alps, we could definitely have used more of that patient, methodical refinement approach that has served the Germans so well.
Indeed…isn’t it so refreshing just to naturally listen to someone, as opposed to being constantly railed and hyped up.
Its a bit simplistic attributing refinement under the country banner. The VW Beetle and Ferrari stories is a direct contradiction to this theory. Lamborghini, Toyota, Honda, Nissan...
One thing still escapes VW though. How to make a timing chain driven engine which doesn't destroy itself 😂
I’ve learned a lot from this video, I have both a 968 cab and a coupe and appreciate any knowledge imparted on me. Iain articulates his knowledge in a very easy relaxed style that is simply engaging.
Base, manual 968 coupes are the real bargain nowadays! Everything but some of the weight savings and suspension parts are identical to the CS, but they are much cheaper today. With some fresh Bilsteins and Michelins, it will drive just as well tough.
The problem is a cheap 968 will most likely be a cabriolet.
I have a 1988 924S. So same basic suspension set up as this. It was the last UK press car so has Sports suspension, thicker anti roll bars and it’s lowered a bit from factory.
The handling is incredible and every time I drive it I smile like you did in this video. On rails as you described is spot on.
You can push it and push it and it eventually judders a bit at the back end to tell you enough is enough. The best handling car I’ve ever driven by far. I bought it to do up and sell but 20 mins into a drive to my workshop I knew I’d never part with it!
I love it when Mr. Tyrrell diverges....one of the best car shows on YT. Thank you for yet another top show.
As a passionate aircooled Porsche fan and owner, I will say the 968 CS is the one watercooled I would love to have. Its styling, the jettison of creature comforts, and the improved performance and handling seems like it would be such a fun car to drive.
Iain, you did a great job describing the German psyche. I'm American yet I have family in Rheinland Pfalz in Germany, so I understand the German psyche (which is also my psyche). The German psyche is to evolve technology. It can be summed up in German "Deutsch gemacht--alles in Ordnung" --German engineered, everything in order.
Thank you!
I am german and I fear we are loosing this" german made, all in order"in the moment. There are to many german people around whose interest is only in "work- life balance" and " save the planet from climate change". Instead of hard and consistant labour which our ancestors did and in which way Germany was rebuild after the catastrophic WW 2.
@@volkerkonig9376 Da hast du Recht. Of course it is important that we all protect this planet that we live on, because that is healthy for us to do. Aber, auf der anderen Seite, es gibt mehr und mehr, dass zu viele Leute arbeiten nicht werden. They use politically correct nonsense to do so. Das ist nicht richtig, aber das ist zurzeit die Situation.
@@volkerkonig9376 Da hast du Recht. It's good for us to be concerned about this planet because our health depends on it. Aber, auf der anderen Seite, heutzutage wollen viele Leute nicht zu arbeiten. That's to their disadvantage eventually, yet it does affect global productivity. Aber das ist zurzeit die Situation.
Makes me miss my old 1985.5 944, I went through that car front to back and it drove and rode like new, even the shifter linkage was tight after I put some flat model helicopter bearings on the rod-to-lever pin. It was just so lovely and balanced. Never left me stranded, pretty nice to work on and would just keep accelerating because of the low drag. And it looked stunning on its larger polished aluminium 16 inch turbo teledials
I think a lot of people wish they still had them these days
@@iain_tyrrell I console myself knowing it went to a loving home and it allowed me, then a student just finishing my college, to buy my other childhood dream: an olive green pearl 850 T-5R manual estate. Looking back, the cars I owned in my twenties were the most special, before life threw its inevitable spanners of responsibility into the works.
Thanks for another highly enjoyable episode, Iain.
That’s my old car !! Had it for several years , about 2 years ago. It has a fantastic service history and file of work done , it was a bit of a mess when I got it, nice to see my clean engine bay is still shiny😂. I put it through a classic auction and despite the letter from Porsche and a few other bits of proof, the consensus was it actually isn’t a club sport !! It’s just a Sport lux, without a rear wiper, with elec widows and rear seats, it’s right on the change year. I replaced the stickers and rear badge and put black Ppf on the leading edges of the wings and sills to protect against stone chips . Loved that car, used it hard , it drove so well and never let me down. Polished it to death , if I remember right the paint is a bit thin on the front passenger wing and under the door handle . I has the worlds largest 4 cylinder production engine , it’s a 3ltr .
Lovely to see it again , gone some great pics of it somewhere . Sorry to say it’s not a true Club Sport , but no one really knows, enjoy it
My father in law had a std black 968 back in the early 90s but I didn't give it a second look as I didn't like the styling much. I think its grown on me in the meantime as a bit of a 944/928 hybrid but really I prefer the 944/928 look separated into distinct cars rather than blended. I have both 944 Silver Rose and 928GT in my garage, neither garage queens but well used and well maintained. It would be great to try a 968 for comparison, even seeing one these days is super rare. Thanks for the interesting video
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Oh this one brings back memories ❤ remembering my early days in mechanical school and a friend had one. Seems like yesterday but its over 20 year's ago 😅
Hi, So Porsche made 1538 CS of which 179 were delivered to the UK as Club Sports and another 306 were delivered as "P35 CS Luxury Package" and badged as the 968 Sport by Porsche Cars GB . You can tell the difference on the build sheets as the Sports are all listed as P35 and have electric windows and were only available in model years 1994/1995 when rear seats were added to the options list. It wasn't possible to order a "Club Sport" with electric windows in the UK. This car was originally registered as a 968 Sport (I test drove it for a perspective owner around 10 years ago). So there were actually only around 1232 Club Sports and 306 Sports but they all left the factory as CS's originally. I hope this helps and happy to answer any questions on the model.
Thank you so much for the explanations and white board drawings! Very interesting
Thank you!
Genuine gift of explaining quite complex engineering principles….. brilliant again Ian👌
Thank you!
A friend of mine ran a garage near Tower Bridge selling restored 912s from the states, I remember him letting me have a drive in a 968 Club Sport that he'd acquired back in the mid 90s and I have to agree that it was the best handling car that I've ever driven. I went on to purchase a 944.
When Iain digresses, I listen with awe. Departures into affiliated trivia enrich the monologue and enlarge the education. Not entirely happy with the "wheezy" slights on the 924 though, but I can have my cake and eat it- my NA 924 is a good daily driver and my two children both learned to drive in it. Paired with our 924 Turbo, it holds a place in my heart as my first classic and will be staying. The 968 destined to be like the 964 in my opinion.
Sorry ‘bout that. Maybe it was a bit strong!
Iain, I thought you'd spoiled us by giving us 2 sessions of the white board but then we had a 3rd!! Fabulous!! Joking aside, a great video of a great car.
Thank you!
Let's not forget the standard 968 handles beautifully too!
I've always looked at the 924/944/968 with a little bit of disdain...until a friend lent me his 968 for a couple of weeks. The engine has some grunt. It's not exceptional but it has some grunt. And the chassis feels both precise and light on its toes. Overall a very balanced and endearing engine/chassis combo whereas many classic cars tend to have a chassis *or* an engine but not a sweet combination like this.
I'd love to try the very rare turbo variant boosting power from 240 to 305.
Great video! I would love, to see you explaining 70s GTV6/Alfasud suspension and inboard disc. I should know this as I own a Sid, but I believe the front shock absorbers are upside down. Like a motorbike. And passive rear steer. The GTV6 is even more fascinating…
Porsche elected to use a balance shaft system on the 944 to 'subdue' to the unbalanced secondary forces generated by an in-line four cylinder - which become 'notable' as the capacity (and hence recipricating mass) of the engine increases. Whilst the balance shaft system was actually invented by the Englishman Frederick Lanchester in 1907, Mitsubishi developed and patented their own version called the 'Silent Shaft' in 1976.
Porsche did develop their own balance shaft system for the 944 however, Porsche discovered that the Mitsubishi system was a superior solution. Consequently, Porsche paid Mitsubishi a royalty of circa $US 6 to 8 per car to use Mitsubishi's 'Silent Shaft' for their large capacity 4 cyl engines - i.e. the 944 and 968 Porsche cars.
The moment the sketching starts I finally start to learn what the terms I read about for years actuallly meant. Really fabulous!
Thanks- good news!
Had a new 94 on a L , Best car I have ever had handling wise .Loved it …..then family arrived .3.0 240 Hp was a plenty .Saw 168 mph ( autobahn ) A mate in his 962 C2 couldn’t keep up esp on the twisty bits .
Another great video! I've never owned a transaxle Porsche but several years ago I did test drive a few 944s with the intent to buy. The 944S that I was near purchasing was a real visceral pleasure to drive. That one had really feelsome, manual steering and a 4 valve eager engine. Wonderful cars.
Another great video, a few errors but as its all off the cuff how can you complain! I have a 944 S2 coupe and it is a joy to drive, very communicative and responsive. Your point on the slop in the gear linkage, I have an "Only 944" short shift linkage in my car, they might do the same type of kit for the 968; it certainly makes a big difference.
Thanks for your pragmatic comments! As you say, off the cuff
Great video Ian enjoyed it. I have a manual rack in my S2, a little heavy at parking but on the road its almost telepathic steering. They are the only mods on my car I have standard suspension. 11 years of fun and enjoyment and still counting, just waiting for better weather!@@iain_tyrrell
Very nice car, in addition to the 911 I like the not so hyped Wagens from Stuttgart as well, the 924, 928, 944 and 968.
The FIAT coupe was a really nice background.
As an aviation enthusiast for me the Comet and the Boeing 707 in the gold speedbird livery also enhanced the wow factor!
Thank you again. I knew about the 924 and the 944. I hadn't realised they had done a further model. Very interesting to see.
I must ask, are you going to do an episode of the 1920's car I keep seeing in the background?
Thanks. Yes, will do one on that soon
Two different vehicles: I owned a USA version of the 924. It had decent air conditioning and a better two-place rear compartment. Under the glass hatch, there was enough space for us to store whatever gear we needed for backpacking! It was canary yellow and my 9 and 10-year-old sons loved it. It DID have fine dry-road handling, with the rear suspension doing amazing things. The engine was so noisy that I had to put a power-boosting amplifier in it to listen to music on my typical two-hour drives to see my family on the weekends. One example: my employer's mistress chose to ride in this car to an event rather than in his Lincoln. Fortunately, the engine noise trumped her curiosity and she was happy to ride in his Lincoln on the way back.
Interesting story- thanks!
There used to be a bright yellow one street parked by Cambridge Station it was so cool!!
Drove one back in early 1990’s. A superb car.
Paper and marker to explain things..........
Fantastico.....
you make a great story teller...
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On this cars launch I was involved in Porsche's UK tour event and drove a number of RHD versions hard. I always remember the grunty engine and well-balanced handling. Great days 👍
drove 4 years with 968 as a daily and then later with "CS" for some years as a track tool - lovely car!
Great!
I'm undecided on the black evo magazine did a retrospective review in 19 and that car was stunning in white----i believe they are brilliant to drive 😊.
What a nice car, a dream for a petrol head, you understand it because the feel with the road is outstanding.
The car needs a bit of love at the underside to make it new and ready for a lot of driving ❤️
So sensibly explained, you can see the engineers developing it 😊.
Fantastically grubby underside, a clean would bring out the beauty 😄
With the 924 being very much a 'parts bin car', the earliest 924's suspension consisted of most of the parts from the 1303 Beetle. There were some differences but many of the parts interchange. As Porsche developed the 924, with changes like 4 wheel / 5 stud disc brakes for the turbo, these parts can easily be used to upgrade 1303 Beetles - they pretty much bolt on. The 1303 front suspension was in turn developed from the 1302 - the first Beetle with McPherson Struts in 1970. The rear suspension dates back to the 1968 semi-automatic VW Type 3, which was used in semi auto Beetles around the same time, then later in many manual Beetle models too. So the 968's suspension development history goes back quite a few years more than the 924.
Thank you for that!
@@iain_tyrrell No problem - I added a bit more detail. Thanks for all your interesting videos.
All the 968 versions were 3.0. The last of the 944 s2 was also a 3.0. Great engines these, better on a track than the 2.5 turbos due to no lag, loads of linear power and big power at high revs due to variable valve timing. Owned all variants inc a 968 M030 CS non lux. One of these with a fast road/track geo setup is a wonderful thing 😎, one with a poor geo set up will have you if not careful! 👹
33:34 Looked a bit like Iain ordered a bhuna through the bend there
They allegedly made 179 RHD cars. I own an RHD Speed Yellow 170k mile UK supplied car that’s on collecting cars as I type this. 3 owners from new. Absolutely superb machine that I’ve loved owning for the last 18ish years.
I owned and drove for nearly 100000miles a 944 TurboS. I wish I had never sold it ! The turbo power delivery was a bit wild though, with loads of turbo lag, so the 3L 16 valve cars (968 and 944S2) are probably better bets.
The 2.7 RS Carrera is my most favourite Porsche for the road. Not massively fast but a great drivers car.
Would like to see photos of the undercarriage of this Club Sport dry iced. There is something about the process that is so satisfying....
Car and a half , but the 944 especially in Turbo/S2 form was a better looking car
Yes, a very good looking car the earlier ones
My dad had the 944 silver rose edition.. circa 1990.. absolute stunning with the turbo etched on the front wing.. burgundy tartan plaid interior no sunroof !.. thanks for this presentation excellent and informative...
I disagree.
I agree, 944 Turbo was perfect, tried to make a mini 928
Lets argue subjectivity.
I had a 3.0 944 S2
I loved that car .
Especially at night with the pop up headlight on .
It felt really fast at the time , probably be thrashed by a run of the mill golf now 😂
The interior is very minimalistic, isn't it, Iain? I love the term 'transmogrify'. I always liked the 924 and 924 turbo. Brilliant video, as usual. I learn a lot from you.
friend of mine got a 944 Turbo when he turned 18 from his parents and it was a excellent car in every way
Lucky him!
@@iain_tyrrellrich Mormon family with nine kids and he was the only boy so he was treated like a prince
Love the way sports cars egg you on 😊.
I remember Mann Island Porsche had a road test day at the St Davids Hotel in Ewloe in the early 90's and they had one, I got an invite and had quite a blast around the lanes of Hawarden in it and Iam sure we went along your "test track" Iain, definitely went through Sandycroft though, also took out a 944 Turbo, a Carrera 4 and a 928, a rather splendid day out 👍
Edit : Didn't the Audi RS2 Avant have club sport wheels and brakes on it as OEM ?
Good, very educational. I remember the hoohar over the CS in 1993.
I’m glad you enjoyed the car. It was mine for five years 👍
Some very interesting white board discussions there Ian and another great video sir. Thank you.
Much appreciated
the only Porsche I'd ever consider
All 968 had servo steering, it’s not a Lux package thing. Could have mentioned the Variocam system and the M030 option which was not a part of the Club Sport package ++. If you look for bang for the buck a standard 968 car is a much better option. But always nice to watch 968 content.
Love a Club Sport in yellow.
I really enjoyed the video; it was always my understanding that the two balance shafts were a Mitsubishi invention and indeed Porsche had to license it from them
Mitsubishi held the patent at the time.
I've always had a week spot for the 944. The 924 was overlooked.
The 968 was a car at the end of the run.
The Audi 5cyl or some Porsche derived version would have been an awesome package with that unique sound and bark.😊
Audi 5 cylinder lovely sounding engine agree, but as they were all at that time cast iron blocks, whereas the 944 was a full alloy engine not even cast iron liners, the extra weight would have ruined the front balance and turn-in, probably increasing understeer. No one's ever complained about Ford Cosworths only being 4 cylinders. 🤔
I totally agree with your view of british way of thinking great minds and ideas, noc cloo how to put it together, unions, etc
Can you do a video on that massive green Bentley? Still my dream car...
Will do soon
Excellent video.
This exact car is Currently for Sale at £ 25,750 Car & Classic.
That’s an old avert.
Every time Mr. Tyrrell coughs, i think of the fast show.
Another banging video sir 🎉
Thanks!
Another superb informative video Ian
Tremendous knowledge Iain..great car as well
I understand that Mitsubishi had this counterbalance technology as well. I have forgotten over time whether this technology was “stolen” from Porsche, or whether they came up with the same idea independently, or which manufacturer was the first to bring the idea to mass market. My recollection is that Mitsubishi brought it to market before Porsche.
You know why German manufacturers have better worker relations? - Mitbestimmungsgesetz. A German law from 1976 that requires companies of over 2000 employees to have half the supervisory board of directors as representatives of workers, and just under half the votes. Imagine suggesting that here - you'd be accused of being a communist or something.
These videos are the highlight of my weekend, Iain. Thank you.
Thank you indeed!🙏
Ian, you mentioned a few times at the start the 968 was 2.5 litres. The 968 was always 3.0 litres and at the time was the largest capacity 4 cylinder car engine in production. Handles like a dream with bags of smiles.
Yes- the perils of un- scripted takes. We did know that, honest! Sorry for mis- information
:) keep the little gems coming @@iain_tyrrell
And the 944 was also 3 litres.
Indeed, but started life as a 2.5 then a 2.7 (2.7 for one model year only). All the 944 Turbos were 2.5.
@@rallychamp01The 924 S used the same 2.5 liter engine, but with slightly lower power (150 hp in 1986-1987 and 160 hp in 1988). The 944 S also used the same 2.5 liter engine, but with a 16-valve cylinder head and 190 hp.
The 'shit the back end's out' to "ahhhh lovely" transition is now a classic channel moment.
Yes!😬😳😱
It definitely got a bit tasty !😂
The look on your face Ian! :-)
Funniest thing I've seen in ages. Proper LMAO moment.
33:28. Classic.
Ian, presenting a car video like this and describing the car's performance with "it doesn't set anyone's underwear on fire" without making a face is only possible for an Englishman. This is exactly why I appreciate your videos so much. Compliments on that.
A little over 10 years ago a mate purchased a white 968 CS in Sydney ( Australia )( RHD of course) and was very busy with his business at the time. Knowing I was on holidays at the time he asked me if I could fly there and drive the car back to Melbourne for him.
I drove from Sydney to Canberra and from there headed up over the Snowy Mountains on the winding mountain roads and back to Melbourne. What a car. Completely in it's element. A trip I will never forget.
When I arrived and my mate asked what I thought of the car. I told him it was like driving a full size go-kart.
Wonderful experience- thanks for sharing!
@@iain_tyrrell this car is trash
Sounds like an amazing experience in a fantastic car.
@@arctictruck10Its totally sorted, based on a 924, 944, with loads of R and D and the later car was so sorted with real German build quality.
@@andrewnichols1023 my comment still stands that it's a trash Porsche that was made for four years
Even the regular 968 is excellent. I bought a 60,000 miles one for $15,000 in 2019 and it's the best daily driver sports car I've owned. It fits a bicycle or 2 sets of golf clubs. Wonderful car!!
Likewise.. most practical and fun car I can imagine. I have done long motorway journeys and also enjoy short blasts in the countryside and can throw a lot of stuff in the rear.
@@DavidMorley I came across a Wimbledon green (!) one at a small used car lot in Philadelphia and drove from Saratoga the next day. I was looking for a cheapo Boxster and ended up with 968 coupe instead. Super happy. Enjoy yours!
Years ago, they were a real bargain
Great tribute to one of the front engine marvels that Porsche came up with in the mi-80’s to mid-90’s, along with its older brother the 944 and the outstanding 928s, s4, GT, GTS.
It’s such a pity that Porsche gave up on this line.
Absolutely beautiful cars, too. The 928 being the best with its timeless design.
928 was my Favourite Porsche
@@Yorkshiremadmickagree😊 the 928 is epic🎉
I confirm
Great video! Sport and Clubsport variants are both excellent; well they’re both from the Clubsport line. This particular car is well known in 968 circles and is 1 of 306 special order Sports (Porsche GB ordered them) and not 1 of 179 C16 CS cars. Still a very rare car. Rather than bring snobbery though, the issue is that the market values Sports and CSs differently and if a car is being passed off as a 1 of 179 CS to up its perceived value, then that’s naughty and as ever, Caveat Emptor. The Lux pack is a misnomer. It wasn’t an option on the CS in the UK, though was in Europe. The Sport is the equivalent and because it came from the same production line, will doubtless have the Porsche certificate of authenticity that it has a CS VIN number, which it will. But it’s still a special order Sport.
Thanks. The car is not marketed yet, but great efforts will be made to clarify what appears to be something of a minefield!
Probably have photos of it somewhere pre decals and sporting the Sport badge…
@@davidfisk212leaving Iain garage it will be better than any CS 😊
@@iain_tyrrell I know one of the previous owners (M.P. in the docs) if you want more info as I test drove it for him in Dec13. I think his number is in the file and he put the CS stickers on the sides etc and prob owned it the longest most recently. Hope this helps!
I don’t doubt Iain knows his onions and the car will be excellently presented. But it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a Sport and therefore worth less than a CS. But ultimately, it’s only worth what someone will pay for it but Iain has a reputation to protect so will want to do his due diligence to avoid any misrepresentation.
The 924S has the same 2.5L 8 valve engine from the 944. I think you are thinking of the 944S and 944S2 for the 16V heads.
Yes- the perils of unscripted takes!
@@iain_tyrrell 👍 mistakes happen.
But featuring the 968 wasn't one of them.
I think the 924s had a Porsche engine, not the VW lump and lighter and faster than an early 944.
@@andrewnichols1023 that's what I said.
Just fabulous again Ian. Such Mastery of both automotive science and intelligible communication, which is genuinely and distinctively a unique gift. Of course, it does explain the success of your entire business. However, this all for us to enjoy on YT is just not seen before at this top level, and is always such a captivating delight. Thank you so much again 🙂🙂🙂
Thank you for that heartfelt comment too- it’s comments like that that spur us on to keep making them!
Oh what a joy for a Sunday evening , Thankyou…..👍👌🇮🇲
Thank you!
First Harry now Iain my weekend is complete. Did I see a 1920’s Bentley in the background?
It’s an incredible gift you have, Iain, to explain technical matters in such an accessible and engaging manner. I’m a technical Luddite who has an aversion to greasy rags but you had me captivated by the art of maintaining an adequate contact patch! Splendid work, as always. 👏🏻
We’ll take that! Thanks, and glad you appreciated it
My mother in law does 6000 rpm parking
😆 I had to go back a couple of times to around 13.35 to see the expression on Iain’s face when he opened it up and rounded that bend 😂 Quickly followed by relief and a smile. Priceless.
As always, a thoroughly enjoyable watch.
Thanks!!
I see a Tyrrell's Classic Workshop video, instant watch for me.^^
Also, nice to see the Porsche 968 now featured in the channel. In addition, these cars are very underrated indeed.
They were so cheap 12-10 years ago, but now coming into their own and being appreciated.
Makes me think of my father’s 1986 944 Turbo in Sapphire Metallic bought new from Lynch Porsche in Chicago.. One of the greatest Saturdays in my life was spending a good part of the day with my dad test driving various Porsche’s that day..
My very first car was a 968 convertible and i kept it for almost 15 years. Too bad maintenance was a pain, here in France. Most Porsche specialists knew too little about them, or didn't even want to work on them. Parts availability was also an issue.
I couldn’t agree more with all his comments. Brilliant technical knowledge, but they are 3.0 litre.
I am biased though towards it all, because I own one. Purchased new in 1994, and it’s still with me. But it’s the Sport version. It only has 44,000 mls on the clock, and spends more of its time now, with its coat on in my garage.
Fantastic report.👍
Thank you!
The best review of the 968 I’ve seen by far. In depth history , technical analysis and a test drive. Brilliant
The state of British roads is shocking indeed. Hopefully, you’ll find a more intact stretch of roads for your very enjoyable test rides
Classic quote at 23:58, "Porsche really did refine what's basically is a flawed design into something that works superbly". Seems to apply to Porsche's rear-engined 911 design as well.
Love to see a Maserati Biturbo series (83-91) video if one ever shows up for service. Thanks!
See what we can do. Thanks
They do break down on occasion, so you have that on your side.
I had one of these in Grand Prix white and It's the only car I regret selling. I bought an M5 as it's replacement and that was the only car I regret buying.
Steady on lain , you're convincing yourself to be the next owner !😂😂
As usual an excellent video, but you missed out the key evolution step between 924 and 944. The 924 carrera GT was that step. 75 made in RHD 400 overa;ll to homologate for group 4 so they could race at Le Mans. light weight plastic panels for front and rear wings from which the 944 steel shell was derived.
with 210 bhp form 2 liters and less than 1000kg no one could call it slow.
OOOHHHHHH😢😢😢😢 BEAUTIFUL BLACK BEAST!!!😊😊❤❤❤❤
R.I.P., Gandini.
He gets spoken of here sometimes
Had two 944's one a 2.5 the other a 2.7 great cars. always fancied a 968 but never got round to it !
Buy a 3.0 S2 944 a much better car the 968s suspension was way to hard, plus it comes with the turbo body and later cars come with a much prettier rear spoiler
My goodness, Iain, that road really is atrocious!
We have to create an A.I. Robot of Ian tyrell for future generations to appreciate forever his outstanding knowledge of classic cars.
There's nothing artificial about Iain... I'd rather he just continues building up this excellent body of videos that can be enjoyed (hopefully) for a very, very long time....
An A.I Ian Tyrell would never be able to fine-tune a classic Lamborghini V12 by listening to it through the end of an old screwdriver and then tickling it back to health whilst wearing a Rolex Submariner. 😃
He worked on Lamborghini muras and countaches and knows how to tune them.
who says I don't do 6000 rpm while parking
What is ironic that 968 Club Sport was the cheapest one available in the whole range of 968. Now Porsche charges more for removing things. And let's not even start how expensive 964 and 933 RS models are now. Let's just say they are insanely expensive and leave it at that. 968 CS is probably 1/10 of their price... and it's rarer. Crazy investment potential in this model, imho.