Don't Lay Odds - Casino Craps
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- Опубликовано: 4 фев 2025
- Don't Lay Odds - Casino Craps is an informational video comparing laying odds on a don't bet vs not laying odds. In the live craps roll I establish 2 don't points and then lay maximum odds on this 3x4x5x table. I compare this to another player who only makes flat don't bets of $10 and does not lay odds.
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Just remember when playing the Don’ts, always say SEVEN very loudly and cheer when the seven rolls. You just won!
Sevvvvveeeennnnnnn!
ROTFLOL! If yelling "SEVEN" bothers you, or if you want to class-up your enthusiasm, holler "BIG RED!" 🤣 It's so rude when people bet against your number and make you feel like the bad player. 😉
Jeff Carter I’m there to make money, not friends. Sevennnnnnnnnnnnnn!
Being superstitious is bad luck.
Jeff Carter lmaoooo
love love love you showing the juxtaposition between a decreased House Edge, and an increase volatility. this is a key most gamblers never grasp.
I'd like to share a story about a couple of different strategies that I've learned from your videos. I was at my local casino this past Friday. Yes I know, Friday the 13th. Bad idea. I start with a simple 12 dollar per shooter pass a field bet. This was failing very quickly as the shooters couldn't roll to save their lives. So I switched to the don't pass hedge strategy. I was able to do this easily because I was betting 10 dollars at a time on an electronic table. Dice are live but everything else is electronic. It is a grind to play this way. But after a while I was back to my starting bank roll and kept playing to a 70+ dollar profit. I loved the fact that even though I don't want the 7 to hit. I am completely protected with my don'ts. Hope this helps anyone who gets into the same situation.
5:45 made me scream "TEN!"
5:54 "There's a Nine again" Nooooo. Not again; There's a Nine. Period!
Great video - when my strategy is not making lay bets I only lay when I have a DC bet as well that way I don't push on my 2 bets. Once the 2nd number is established I take the lay down. Obviously if shooter goes back to back it's not good but there is always a hole in every strategy.
Your ability to shun reason and math is staggering. I'm obsessed.
Im glad you're obsessed with watching my content...please do explain your points with examples maybe :)
I love the comparison rolls. If you can figue out how to do more of these it helps in looking a two close systems side by side. THANKS!
Great video. Looks like at 5:47 you rolled a 10 and thought it was a 9.
Yep, you caught me :)
I caught it as well lol. Wouldnt have mattered though.
Great channel.
I would like to add an interesting observation that the popular practice of place betting across (eg $32 across) is actually a lay bet in disguise as it can only win $7 - $9 for $32 in total at risk, a much worse profit expectation than laying odds or even a straight up lay bet for the same amount at risk.
Interesting perspective, thanks for adding.
I use these bets when the table is cold, good strat.
problem is you cannot tell if a table is cold oil after it has happened.
Glad to see you have some commercials running!! Betting in my wheel house. Great video
Thanks, sorry I couldn't meet up while in the Land, I was in and out really quick. Maybe next time.
I was wondering. Figured you were busy. Thanks again bro. Hopefully we can get together sometime
I like it. I lay odds even when i have $200. Play to win, not to not lose.
This was a great video Bro!! Enjoyed this one a lot!!👍🎲
You read my mind!
I was trying to figure out which is the better option (for me).
All these online resources repeat the MAXIMUM ODDS OR BUST ZERO HOUSE AGE mantra but very rarely does anyone make an argument for the other side
Great stuff as always!
When considering the long term math it is the way to go. Problem is, we don't play in the long term, which is what 1,000 10,000, a million rolls? We play for a couple hours or maybe a weekend. Anything can and does happen.
Thank you for another great video filled with knowledge... you rock man..
Thanks for watching and kind words
I always lay odds on the 4,10 , sometimes on the 5,9, and almost never on the 6,8 points.
Good video explained how to play odds for don’t, seen on that only play odds on 4,10.
Well, there it is, proof positive that you should never lay the odds on the don’t. Case closed.
//sarcasm
Nice video again. Good to see a well thought out don’t vid. Keep it up
Basically Haha :)
When I play the don’t, I do not use don’t come to get 2nd point.
Thanks for the videos!
the best idea is later don't pass and then do to place bets so if it if the number hits you don't lose as much you make decent profit
Not sure there is a "best idea" in the game, if the dice do not cooperate the best ideas lose, and the crazy ones can win. Crazy game.
What are your thoughts on hardway hedges for the Don't bets with even points?
I like to hard way hedge the 6 and 8 because those suckers pop up so often you can get a little safety but with the 4 and 10 no hedge, go for it. Even throw down 50% odds.
Good Q
If you like hedging and you hit hardways sure. Protecting a good low house edge bet with a poorer high house edge bet might not be the best approach, but it all just depends how the dice roll.
@@ericmadeoftin8206 the hard 4 is a hedge for the dont come and hard ten if thats the point. I always make a yo 11 bet on the dont come roll for hedge and lay odds on the dont pass then remove them once a point is established for the dont come
So you kinda made it an all or nothing on the odds. I only play odds on the don’t come bet, and would just flat bet the 6&8 like your other video showed. Personally, that works for me pretty well.
Different videos cover different aspects, nothing is perfect :)
Love your videos but too many to go through, could you tell me your favorite/best one for a once in a blue moon craps player?
Thats tough to say. It depends on your personality of play. Low risk, low reward. Risk taker for max wins. Just want to play for long time. There are too many variables. Maybe just start with my most popular videos. You can sort my videos by most viewed.
@@ColorUp I watched all the tutorials and a several strategies but I can't recall which one you said was your favorite in your videos or maybe you have multiple faves. I'd like to play low/mid risk over a longer period because I play to enjoy not expecting to make money, but still want to go with most logical play for my money thanks to people like you who do the hard work and study the game for the rest of us.
@@VisoBoard I like this one for conservative can last long time at table ruclips.net/video/E4jIsJlpq_g/видео.html I like this one to make good money on a long roll with little risk ruclips.net/video/sTF3nL3dpeU/видео.html
Love your videos
Thanks, nice of you to say
I’d like to see a don’t vid where it compares betting full odds with min bet vs a $70 flat bet with no odds and see who comes out on top. I’d be willing to bet the $70 flat bet with no odds. What do you think?
I agree with Matthew. The way that I understand it is that if you are willing to risk $70 ($10dp and $60 in odds) then mathematically it is better to put the whole $70 on the flat bet. Perhaps you can remix this video with the flat $10 better as a $70 flat better and see how much he blows Mr. Odds out of the water.
But you're risking the full $70 when the odds are against you. The perk to odds is that you dont have to risk all of the $70 when the odds are against you.
@@MagicMan722 hence the reason to do the video comparison. 75% of craps is played in the point cycle and 60% of shooters never make their point. It sounds to me that the $70 full flat has quite an advantage as long as one doesn't let a shooter beat them more then once.
There is no need. Laying odds will help you win in the long term. The math says so.
Can I play the Pass line and the don't come. Seems to me that could be a good bet?
Yes you can
Yes you can however, if the idea is to cover or the 7 then your bet already does that when the point is established.
For a more fair comparison, could you compare the same amount of units bet per point established? All you are proving is "if you risk less you will win and lose less" I think it would be more informative to see the difference between a $40 Don't pass bet and a $10 don't pass laying $30 in odds. How much does the decrease in house edge translate to the session?
Wasn’t going for a fair comparison. Also not sure if I would ever suggest $40 don’t, if you plan to bet that much I would always recommend the minimum line bet and rest in odds.
@@ColorUp some of the strategies used place a large flat don't bet. By the way, I love the content. Would love to see more strategies where you press winnings of place bets to the odds bets of pass lines, comes and the dont's.
The problem with a $40 Don't vs $10 Don't is the huge house edge getting a number established.
Shawn you're correct, when people talk about the house edge being lowered using odds, that's only IF the total bet is still the bet you would have normally made without odds. Otherwise, you're putting out more than your normal bet, so you're not lowering the house edge.
So you shouldn't use odds if you're total bet is just the table min. Someone betting $40 flat vs $10+30, the $10+30 will win.
The $10 is all that's at risk when you're at a disadvantage.
I like to play the dont come for 75 , 5 on yo 11 for hedge, 10or 15 dont pass line, lay odds on it till the point is established for the dont come, pull them after, then ride it out looking for that seven right? I doubled 750 into 1500 new years night doing this mostly. Anyone see anything wrong or better to do? sometimes ill place the 6 and 8 if the point is 4 or ten
wow. if you could shoot those numbers for me on a real table, i'd make money hitting the inside numbers
I don't fully understand the 'house edge'. Why would betting more decrease it? The dice rolls are the same dice rolls no matter what you bet. How is that an 'edge'??. If I roll the point, what does it matter if I have $10 or $10 and $60 odds? The number still came up and I lost $70 instead of just $10. What 'edge' is lost?? Is the edge based on how much the bank pays out? I have always been confused about this.
It’s basically the cut or percentage the casino takes out of each bet. Here is a video I did that should help. ruclips.net/video/p1Q0hNxeXH0/видео.html
also can you remove the don't lay odds or it is another one of those contract bet
Tracy LaReau you can remove the odds
Not only odds, after point. You can always remove the don't bet. They know you have the advantage, so they love to see that removed after the point.
What about laying odds with the house money
Sure, taking and laying odds is always a great bet
hey color up can you place and lay the same number at once or is that not allowed?
I suppose you could, but they also may not allow because there isn't really a reason to do so, and you are just wasting their time....if the amounts were different than thats a different situation
If the casino was smart they would let you lay and place. The house edge works against each wager over the long run. Weather you bet every spot, or the table as a whole covers every spot, the casino should not care. Every wager grinds away at the player bankroll.
@@ColorUp It's allowed where I play.If I am playing the donts and a 6 or 8 is the point I also place the 6 or 8.Its a difference of Losing $2 or winning $4 and if the 6 or 8 hits I leave it up on the good side then and start pressing.Just something to do for fun.
Tracy LaReau Yes. A real grinding strategy is to have a large don’t pass bet (about $50) then you place the point. For example you have a $50 DP and the point becomes 5. You now place the 5 for $50. Now you’d want the point to hit, your DP loses but you get paid $70 for the 5. You net $20, bring the place bet down and start over. If the 7 rolls, place loses and the DP wins, you break even. The only thing is you risk a lot on the come out roll, which can really kick you in the d*ck with multiple 7/11 come out rolls.
You definitely can and can guarantee yourself a win but it only works on the 4,5,9,10. Say you put out $30 on the don’t. And the point is 4 or 10, You could place that number for $20. So if it hits you win $36 and lose $30. If a 7 comes you win $30 and lose $20. It’s a guaranteed win, as long as you can make it passed the 7 and 11 on the come out.
Same for the 5 and 9. Same $30 don’t pass bet, if it’s a 5 or 8 you can place $25. If it hits you win $35 and lose $30, if a 7 comes you win $30 and lose $25. Guaranteed $5 win either way.
Where did you get your table?
Just a kitchen table with a nice layout from casino4you.com
also if its 3 4 5 times odds are you to put 6 times your bet and can these odds are remove?
Yes. The odds are just like the pass line odds. You can remove, increase or decrease at anytime. You can also remove/decrease the flat bet. You can not increase/replace the flat bet once money has been taken off. So make sure you pay attention to what you are removing
6x would be the maximum allowed on a 345x table. You can lay less oddsif you like. They can be removed at any time.
Great video, I actually dont really like the odds bet at anytime myself. It takes two rolls to get to it and Im a short game player so it just hinders my strategy. But as usual great video
When playing the don't, that pesky 7 on the initial come out roll seems to read it's ugly head and eat away at the bank roll. And when you decide to hedge that come out roll with a small bet on a combination of a 7 roll and possibly an 11 roll, these little bets also eat away at any profits. Life's a bitch. Dice a bitch. Play on, thrill seekers!!
Ha, yep, sounds like craps.
On a 10 dollar table, I bet 3 on the 7, and 1 on 11. If either hits, I make money. Then I stack on the odds. Only problem is on a 12 on the Come Out
Not worth hopping the 7s and yo. Just eat away at the bankroll. Negative progression and pressing winnings. That's the way to go. If you must hedge, lay the 4 or 10 and then pull it down after the come out
Can you explain why he has to back up the bet w $60.00 and not $50 w the 8 as the point.
Odds are 5/6, so you need to bet in multiples of 6
You could lay $50, but at 5:6 payout on the 6 & 8 the payout would be $41.67 which would round down to $41 or more likely they would pay out $40. You would want to lay odds in increments of $6 to be paid properly. $6 /12/ 18/24/30/36/42/48/54/60 so you can get paid properly without being shorted.
Nick Boomer thanx. That makes sense.
Pat Brunner same thing on the 4/10, keep it an even number so you’ll get half the bet. On 5/9 in multiples of 3. The dealers will hopefully correct you, so you get paid without being shorted. And when I doubt, ask your dealer. Personally, I always love don’t players because you don’t see a ton of them.
It's called true odds. On the DON'T pass line a bet of $6 gets you $5 when the point number is 6 or 8 and the 7 is rolled first. Your giving the odds because 7 comes up more often than the 6 or 8. Now with a bet of $5 dollars, those same true odds would pay you $4.66. But the casino doesn't deal with small change so they would round it down to $4 and you would lose 66¢ on every bet. But gracefully the dealer will inform you of the situation most of the time and ask you to throw another buck onto your bet to get those "true odds".
Only buy
I never odds
How do I submit a strategy?
Colorup.club
@@ColorUp Submitted, Thank you.
The casinos don't make money on Playing/Laying the odds as it is the same as flipping a fair coin toss...but then neither do you. And as Color Up points out...in the short run anything can happen...even when you're flipping coins. Of course the casinos are in it for the long run.
Yeah, casinos run 24/7 365, we play....couple hours a year....Easy for them to weather storms, for us players, not so much.
that's right, in the long run if you keep playing those odds even out to zero. The only real gain and win is the initial bet which the house has an edge on so you loss.
The first 9 roll was a 10 bro
Sorry
In terms of fun versus cost, laying odds is not such a great bet. It's more money chasing the one number. I'd spread that money onto other numbers.
With laying odds, more than 25% of the bankroll was risked to achieve less than 20% upswing. Without the odds, the $100 bankroll went up 40% for 20% risked.
Thats the cost of laying odds. Its great when the dice roll your way.
You cant really draw conclusions on performance with such a small sample of roles.
However spreading your money on more numbers is risking more than you can win on the next roll, for an even lower return than laying true odds. Doing what you say will however give you an increased chance of hitting more numbers more often, but then you need many more hits to cover your initial outlay and produce any profit at all. Logic says, even in the short term, to concentrate your outlay on fewer numbers, but as always you need luck in this game.
There is however balance between variance that can produce profit and loss in equal measure vs bankroll / time at the table.
If you want to drown out the house edge in the short term, generating a level of variance through more concentrated low house edge wagers is your friend, vs "buying variance" with higher house edge prop bets, or playing with low varience wagers where house edge will grind you down.
@@AndrewHacking There's the fun aspect to consider. Lowering the house edge from say, 1.4% to 0.6%, won't count for much in the short term. I'd sooner play the inside (5/6/8/9) than wait for a 7. The upswing/downswing on the bankroll would be about the same in the short term, but more fun being on four numbers.
@@robertallen1085 of course, I have done this too with lots of action, it all depends on what you're trying to achieve.
To be fair my post wasn't forocused on low edge betting, more regarding your comment advising on spreading bets across more numbers.
Spreading across multiple numbers actually risks more for less than laying the same amount of odds on a single number because you need multiple hits on those numbers to recoup your full wager and realise an overall profit, with each of those events having a lower probability of occuring than PSO. Spreading is like laying the long side of the odds on the dont side if you think about the $$ exposure vs $$ paid if the next roll wins.
You can also bet multiple don'ts for more action and added excitement (and risk) if that's the goal but sounds like perhaps you just prefer being spread thinner on the do side and collecting less on every roll, and banking on those less frequent longer rolls.
"the mathematically better bet doesn't always win." Of course not. But over a long term sample, the mathematically advantageous bet will win more money than a bet with a lower advantage. So one takes that bet. Laying/taking odds is even money. It is the best bet offered in a casino other than advantage blackjack. Dont pass/Pass line betting have a minute percentage difference in terms of house advantage. Either system's odds bet is even money. End of story.
I appreciate your acknowledgement of this at the end of the video. And in hindsight I think I was incorrect in selecting this video on which to base my argument. More to come. Your video set up is fantastic and I appreciate the passion you have for the game.
The correction I have...the mathematically better bet doesn’t “win more” it as you say. It “loses less” and that is why we cannot beat the casino. They play “long term” seeing thousands/millions of bets a day with an edge on each bet. We play “short term” seeing maybe only hundreds of bets. Bottom line is as players we have to get lucky in order to win.
As you watch more videos you’ll see I’m pretty fair and I do know the math of the game. I’ve said many times, don’t with max odds is best bet. Buttttt...that doesn’t help if the point is hit. It’s gambling and the dice have to roll your way , or according to how you bet in order to win.
My only gripe would be that most don't bettors don't risk odds, or they even pick their bets up when the point is 6/8
Not adding odds is ok and a preference, removing dont bets is a bad move and I have a video on why players should never do this.
if you would have placed the 9 with odds you would have won alot
Game is easy after you see the dice results:)
Nice. First comment. 🤘🏽lol
Nice indeed, i didn't even know this was live yet. RUclips says its still uploading :)
I look at laying odds this way. An odds bet is a side bet. A side bet with no advantage.
I already beat a huge house edge establishing a point. Why dilute an excellent bet?
Put another way, when I have the house by the balls, why would I relax my grip?
Not sure why you consider it diluting? Because you are getting 1:1 on a bet with an edge. Wouldn't adding odds to a bet most likely to win be tightening grip?
@@ColorUp More money at risk for less reward. Just the opposite of the Pass Line.
Let's say you lose 10 Don'ts and win 10 Don'ts. You'd be even.
Now lose 10 Lays and win 10 Lays. You'd be a loser.
Consider them side bets and only side bets.
@@ColorUp No. Think about why you lay odds on a pass/come bet - because it reduces the house's advantage. Well, when you bet Don't and a point is established, YOU have the advantage. Why would you reduce your advantage?
@@jimtuell4076 You are not reducing your advantage you are still a 6:5 - 3:2 - or 2:1 favorite to win your bet. You are adding more money to your bet that has an advantage, and getting paid the true odds. It is a zero house edge bet, so it really doesn't effect it one way or another, it is just an opportunity to bet more money against a certain number should you choose to.
@@carpetcowboy58 Yes you are risking more to win less, because you are the favorite to win. It is betting additional monies against a number should you choose to lay odds. It does not change your advantage as it pays at true odds and has a 0% edge. It does however lower the overall house edge on the bet combined with the flat bet.