You need to take in consideration the weight of the boat itself and the people in the boat. Think of all that weight, lowering them away slowly and the strain on those who were lowering the boats.
@@haydenbeckett343 they were tested for that.... even lowering them 70 feet, the "capacity" for the boats was 50 people, and since the majority of them were women and children, theres no possible chance they outweighed or put more of a strain on the system then SEVENTY Belfast shipbuilders.....
for the record part of the reason boats were lowered at lower capacity was often there was no one else on deck in the area to load onto the boat. Particularly in the first-class area. Because the rear area boats were being filled with a mix of first class, second class and third class. Most third-class passengers got to the boat deck from the rear of the ship, the rear group of lifeboats in the second-class area was where most passengers were waiting for boats. the forward area had relatively few until all the rear areas were gone.
What’s funny is the officer filling the boats, Mr Lightoller. He survived and he owned a small boat during WW2 called the Sundowner I believe, and he helped in the evacuation of Dunkirk and he filled his little yacht to the brink with soldiers! Funny considering he was told to fill the boats all the way by Mr. Andrew’s. Maybe he learned his lesson to fill the boat all the way from that 😂
@@swolebearey8568 It's funny how when you did something bad (Titanic) he is Lightoller, but when he did something right (Dunkirk) he is replaced by a fictional character.
@@AndreiPopescu I think James Cameron just disliked the man he much preferred Murdoch over Lightoller even though Murdoch was responsible for much more lightly loaded lifeboats yet Lightoller still gets the blame.
@@swolebearey8568 If he preferred Murdoch he wouldn't have shown him killing people and himself. If I remember correctly, I read somewhere that Murdoch got more people in the lifeboats that Lughtoller. Sure both of them did poorly by not filling the boats, but Murdoch at least didn't kill 13+ boys just for the sake of it.
Fun fact: The reason why one lifeboat only had 12 passengers inside was because of it's position on the deck. It was positioned in a way that crew and passengers had to climb over another lifeboat to reach it and the latter couldn't be launched before the former was launched. That's why Murdoch (not Lightoller) tried to fill the outer boat as fast as possible in order to prepare and fill the inner one. It was the right decision in my opinion since they didn't have enough time to launch all the boats as it is. It's better to launch as many boats as possible than to let them get sucked down together with the ship.
That boat with 12 people in it contained Sir and Lady Cosmo Duff-Gordon--- prominent First Class passengers who refused to allow the boat to rescue more passengers from the water after the ship sank.
@@BarelloSmith So he wasn't a "real man", considering that he climbed onto the overturned lifeboat. I wonder if he planed to be on that boat if he managed to launch it in time.
@BarelloSmith He misinterpreted the Captains orders. The orders were 'women and children first' but Lightoller thought he meant 'women and children only'.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl You can't tell me he didn't deliberately "misinterpret" that order. He was an experienced sailor, he was supposed to know the drill.
Lightoller let power go to his head and was a complete arse. He sent away lifeboats on the port side halfull because of his insistence men shouldn't be allowed on. He is behind several hundred men dying that night
@@OrangeHistory-nx1zx It was a basic misunderstanding of the commonly known "women and children first" rule on his part, it wasn't a misunderstanding with the Captain. Also he had a deranged understanding of "male honour". In his mind a real man had to die with the ship. Strange that he still successfully tried to save himself in the end but denied the chance to others.
Ikr, I'm honestly surprised he never got in trouble for this, how many children needlessly lost their fathers just because he'd rather launch a boat with empty seats than let a man on board?
@@Sabrinajaine And you have to remember, every boy older than 13 was considered a man at the time, so he is probably also directly responsible for the deaths of children.
@@BarelloSmith Probably women too. I doubt many mothers would want to leave their 13+ year old boys freeze to death while they sit comfortably (at least compared to the freezing water) in a lifeboat.
You need to take in consideration the weight of the boat itself and the people in the boat. Think of all that weight, lowering them away slowly and the strain on those who were lowering the boats.
I don't know if this is a fact about why the boats weren't full to the max, apparently, even in dying times they still chose to keep the rich seperated from the poor which I find so heartbreaking 😔.
Unfortunately, it was more to do with a miscommunication about gender. The captain told them “Load Women and Children first” which is the kind of the traditional standard practice. The problem was, while officer Murdoch on the starboard side interpreted that as “Load women and Children first, then if there’s room, let the men onboard” while on the port side, Lightoller interpreted that order as “women and children ONLY” and was afraid that if he started letting the men on, it would result in a panic and cause a mob to rush the boats. As a result, Lightoller’s rigorousness resulted in him launching 60 seat boats with as low a number as 12 people, separating husbands and wives, mothers and sons and families. It probably killed an extra few hundred people
If it's the lifeboats capacity yeah it's 65. And irl they were tested with them being able to hold over capacity with 68 men. Ig Andrews in this scene just summed it up to 70 lol
The wooden lifeboats were rated to carry 65 people each, and before they were mounted on Titanic they were tested at the builder with slightly over that capacity to ensure they would hold up to be lowered when full.
@@patrickwilkinson7351 I'm not too sure about that. I know they were tested over capacity but idk if it was with lowering the boat. I'm pretty sure one of the reasons the lifeboats weren't all launched full (asides from women and children orders and passengers not wanting to get in), the officers were worried that the ropes holding the lifeboats would snap as they lower the boat at full capacity, so they wanted the boats take on more passengers down at the gangway doors instead.
he wont just be fearless, you really think he would just be casual and calm about not putting as many people in lifeboats as he could, the nerves and panick would kick in like mad
Soooo many lifeboats unfilled like he said. If a boat can take 70 belfast men, thats a damn good lifeboat.
You need to take in consideration the weight of the boat itself and the people in the boat. Think of all that weight, lowering them away slowly and the strain on those who were lowering the boats.
@@haydenbeckett343True but it doesn’t deny the fact they were not utilising it. Considering one boat had 12.
@@haydenbeckett343 they were tested for that.... even lowering them 70 feet, the "capacity" for the boats was 50 people, and since the majority of them were women and children, theres no possible chance they outweighed or put more of a strain on the system then SEVENTY Belfast shipbuilders.....
0:27 Fill these boats Mr. Lightoller for God sake man!
for the record part of the reason boats were lowered at lower capacity was often there was no one else on deck in the area to load onto the boat. Particularly in the first-class area. Because the rear area boats were being filled with a mix of first class, second class and third class. Most third-class passengers got to the boat deck from the rear of the ship, the rear group of lifeboats in the second-class area was where most passengers were waiting for boats. the forward area had relatively few until all the rear areas were gone.
Lightoller looked like he shit his pants
Well, we weren’t sure of the weight, Mr. Andrews, these boats may buckle!
But they were tested, in Belfast with the weight of 70 men.
Rubbish. They were tested in Belfast with the weight of 70 men. Now fill these boats Mr. Lightoller for God sake man!
Please I need more women and children
It sounds like the people who made the ship weren't thinking properly if it's just basic info that the LIFEBOATS might buckle under human weight
EXCUSES EXCUSES!
00:22 that face expression of doubt from Lightoller, so funny
What’s funny is the officer filling the boats, Mr Lightoller. He survived and he owned a small boat during WW2 called the Sundowner I believe, and he helped in the evacuation of Dunkirk and he filled his little yacht to the brink with soldiers! Funny considering he was told to fill the boats all the way by Mr. Andrew’s. Maybe he learned his lesson to fill the boat all the way from that 😂
Was not the dunkirk movie inspired by that man
@@wolf2912yeah I believe the perspective of the old man going over with his son was lightoller
@@swolebearey8568 It's funny how when you did something bad (Titanic) he is Lightoller, but when he did something right (Dunkirk) he is replaced by a fictional character.
@@AndreiPopescu I think James Cameron just disliked the man he much preferred Murdoch over Lightoller even though Murdoch was responsible for much more lightly loaded lifeboats yet Lightoller still gets the blame.
@@swolebearey8568 If he preferred Murdoch he wouldn't have shown him killing people and himself. If I remember correctly, I read somewhere that Murdoch got more people in the lifeboats that Lughtoller. Sure both of them did poorly by not filling the boats, but Murdoch at least didn't kill 13+ boys just for the sake of it.
Victor garber is very generous to play thomas andrews and very sexy as well
Vdd!
And he looks alot like thomas
*Will you hold the boat? I have to run back to my room-*
*AARRRRRGGHH*
*SIT DOWN!*
She’s the last
She's the last
@@Sunnyvale_q5n (Andrew’s) Mr lightoller why are these boats been launched half full
@@Sunnyvale_q5n "PREPARE TO LOWER!"
@@ChrisMac2489not now mr Andrews
Fun fact: The reason why one lifeboat only had 12 passengers inside was because of it's position on the deck. It was positioned in a way that crew and passengers had to climb over another lifeboat to reach it and the latter couldn't be launched before the former was launched. That's why Murdoch (not Lightoller) tried to fill the outer boat as fast as possible in order to prepare and fill the inner one. It was the right decision in my opinion since they didn't have enough time to launch all the boats as it is. It's better to launch as many boats as possible than to let them get sucked down together with the ship.
Nonsense they were tested in Belfast with the weight of 70 men
Also, if I'm not mistaken, that boat was a cutter, a much smaller lifeboat with room for only about 40 people.
@@JKreutzer82 naw they were tested in Belfast which is the city I'm from with 70 men aboard
That boat with 12 people in it contained Sir and Lady Cosmo Duff-Gordon--- prominent First Class passengers who refused to allow the boat to rescue more passengers from the water after the ship sank.
His face was like "shit."
Bro really wants no survivors
If bro really didn't want no Survivors bro wouldn't have let anyone in the lifeboats at all
He didn't want any male survivors. In his mind a "real man" had to sink with the ship.
@@BarelloSmith So he wasn't a "real man", considering that he climbed onto the overturned lifeboat. I wonder if he planed to be on that boat if he managed to launch it in time.
@BarelloSmith He misinterpreted the Captains orders. The orders were 'women and children first' but Lightoller thought he meant 'women and children only'.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl You can't tell me he didn't deliberately "misinterpret" that order. He was an experienced sailor, he was supposed to know the drill.
First bit made me laugh, her face🤣🤣
Thomas Andrews has all the best scenes in the film.
0:02 To her room what?
To get belongings, probably.
My favourite part was when Charles lightoller gets angry with Mr Andrews
0:22 *The look...*
Lightoller let power go to his head and was a complete arse. He sent away lifeboats on the port side halfull because of his insistence men shouldn't be allowed on. He is behind several hundred men dying that night
It was miscommunication with Captain Smith
@@OrangeHistory-nx1zx It was a basic misunderstanding of the commonly known "women and children first" rule on his part, it wasn't a misunderstanding with the Captain. Also he had a deranged understanding of "male honour". In his mind a real man had to die with the ship. Strange that he still successfully tried to save himself in the end but denied the chance to others.
Ikr, I'm honestly surprised he never got in trouble for this, how many children needlessly lost their fathers just because he'd rather launch a boat with empty seats than let a man on board?
@@Sabrinajaine And you have to remember, every boy older than 13 was considered a man at the time, so he is probably also directly responsible for the deaths of children.
@@BarelloSmith Probably women too. I doubt many mothers would want to leave their 13+ year old boys freeze to death while they sit comfortably (at least compared to the freezing water) in a lifeboat.
You need to take in consideration the weight of the boat itself and the people in the boat. Think of all that weight, lowering them away slowly and the strain on those who were lowering the boats.
Will the lifeboats be seated according to class.
Oh mother... SHUT UP!!!
0:08 mr lightoller why are these boats been launched half full (lightoller) not now mr Andrew’s
I don't know if this is a fact about why the boats weren't full to the max, apparently, even in dying times they still chose to keep the rich seperated from the poor which I find so heartbreaking 😔.
Unfortunately, it was more to do with a miscommunication about gender. The captain told them “Load Women and Children first” which is the kind of the traditional standard practice. The problem was, while officer Murdoch on the starboard side interpreted that as “Load women and Children first, then if there’s room, let the men onboard” while on the port side, Lightoller interpreted that order as “women and children ONLY” and was afraid that if he started letting the men on, it would result in a panic and cause a mob to rush the boats. As a result, Lightoller’s rigorousness resulted in him launching 60 seat boats with as low a number as 12 people, separating husbands and wives, mothers and sons and families. It probably killed an extra few hundred people
65?
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If it's the lifeboats capacity yeah it's 65. And irl they were tested with them being able to hold over capacity with 68 men. Ig Andrews in this scene just summed it up to 70 lol
The wooden lifeboats were rated to carry 65 people each, and before they were mounted on Titanic they were tested at the builder with slightly over that capacity to ensure they would hold up to be lowered when full.
@@patrickwilkinson7351 I'm not too sure about that. I know they were tested over capacity but idk if it was with lowering the boat. I'm pretty sure one of the reasons the lifeboats weren't all launched full (asides from women and children orders and passengers not wanting to get in), the officers were worried that the ropes holding the lifeboats would snap as they lower the boat at full capacity, so they wanted the boats take on more passengers down at the gangway doors instead.
@@Just_Sayoriiiiit’s true. Alot of things changes after Titanic. Rules and regulations.
They shouldve got a better more accurate depiction of Lightholler, he was a hero and not just panicking like this
he wont just be fearless, you really think he would just be casual and calm about not putting as many people in lifeboats as he could, the nerves and panick would kick in like mad