20 Hp Brushless Motor! TP Power 5860 Unboxing & First Test
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- The motor for our electric Vortech supercharger is here - and it's a BEAST! If you'd like to contribute a buck or two to the cause visit my patreon page: / alexltdlx Thanks!
We did actually drag test the Electric Turbo we made out of this thing - we picked up almost 2 seconds and 15 mph and we threw in an epic burnout! Check it out: ruclips.net/video/AOL3Qyczt3Y/видео.html
When you have so much flux that you can't even turn by hand you know it's gonna have some serious torque
Agreed. After he said the shaft is surprisingly hard to turn and thought it was seized, I realized he’s not going to say anything else useful about his review of this motor.
The terminals were also shorted when he was trying to spin, if they hadn’t been it most likely would’ve been much easier since with no connection there’d be no load
That s quite a lot of cog too
First thing I thought when you couldn't turn the shaft: THE MAGNETS! WHAT A MONSTER!
A stiff shaft isn't always a good feeling!
Lol.
Lube that shaft it will slide in a bit easier. Lmao
ok now. dont beat a dead horse
It's a tp motor...all the shaft are hard to turn...very powerful motors
If you want to measure voltage drop/resistance, set the multimeter to Vdc and put neg lead on the positive on the battery and positive lead to the power input on the back of the motor, the Higher the voltage reading on the multimeter the higher the voltage drop/resistance in the circuit as the multimeter is measuring the potential difference.
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You must not know about quality inrunner motors..I run nothing but TP Power motors in my electric ducted fan RC models. The “stiffness” that you feel is actually from the use of the best neodymium magnets. Lesser quality magnets don’t have the same strength-So-You can easily turn the shaft on those motors. I have yet to burn up a TP Power motor in an EDF application.
I would use 8mm bullet connectors each covered by heatshrink to prevent short circuits for connectors. 300A ztw beast should work fine for ESC. I have a 5660 smooth can version 888kv on 12S running their marine ZTW Seal 300A esc and its a beast. Definitely recommend making a capacitor bank for the esc so you dont get voltage drop
Hope you can help me. I'm new tot he brushless motor hobby. I bought a TP Power 4070 motor 2200kv and yet to buy the battery and esc. I was told that I need to be careful about the length of the wires from the battery to the esc, and from the esc to the motor. Is there a formula for that? Thank you in advance, Bill
That's a good question Bill. What I've found (by blowing up four expensive ESCs - cheapest was about $300, most expensive $1,700) is that long battery cables can lead to voltage spikes which can damage the ESC. Putting a low ESR capacitor bank at the ESC can compensate for that. With long motor cables, I've found that sometimes sensorless brushless motors have a hard time syncing to the ESC. That's much harder to fix. Typically you need a much higher quality (expensive) ESC to fix that issue. Keep in mind, my cables are very long - I'm building electric turbos for actual cars. I tend to prefer longer battery cables with capacitor banks. But if your motor cables are under a meter long, you generally will be fine. Battery cables depend on the batteries and the cable gauge. I'm running about 15 feet of 2 gauge battery cables in my current setup.
@@AlexLTDLX I'm looking at something much shorter. It will be used in an airplane.
This small thing is really 20 hp??? Why it's not used so frequently then if it's so small? Torque issues?
15 mm2 at little under (smaller) than 6 ga.
I know - I'm always looking at AWG charts while making my wallet hurt...
It's good dude welcome to the world of big block RC motors
Really strong permenent magnet on this brushles motor
need to be. for the 20hp rating
I once received a TP motor that also felt hard to turn but that was because the rotor was slightly off center and was rubbing on the inner walls of the winding. I uploaded the video zoomed in so people can see it. Then the second motor that came in had tire tracks on the package and this one is not 100% center either but bcs of the tire tracks, I can’t tell if that’s factory or from getting ran over.
I’m building a custom winch for my atv you think this would be powerful enough??
It's more than powerful enough, the problem is you need torque not rpm. Since horsepower is a function of both speed and torque, this thing doesn't put out that much torque but it puts out a lot of speed. so you would need one heck of a gear reduction to get it to go slow enough to work in a winch. Remember this thing's peak rpm is 50,000. You'd be better off finding an OutRunner motor with a similar kilowatt rating and a lower KV or RPM per volt. But either way, understand that you don't just simply connect this thing to a battery. I've blown up two $300 controllers and I'm switching over to an $1,100 dollar controller just to control the motor. And you're not going to connect this to your car's it electrical system either. On our bench tests we've seen peaks of 22 KW and running power of around 13 kw. 22 KW is more than anything in your house uses, including air conditioning or electrical heat even if your house is resistive electrical heating. The current battery pack we're using cost about $900 and can only run this thing at what I would consider full power for about a minute. But it would also melt down in that minute without ice water cooling. That's the long answer to your question. So in short yes you can use this in a winch, and it would be very powerful. However it's the wrong choice. And you'd probably end up with the world's most expensive winch. Hope this helps.
This motor really handles 300amp?
Brushless motors usually use a male bullet connector on the motor side and then the corresponding female connector on the ESC wires. I'm not sure what size connectors you would need to handle 300 amps. You may have to do some research to find a connector, ESC, and batteries capable of handling that amount of current.
Thanks. I don't really like any of the connectors I've seen; I'll probably just make my own out of 1/4" copper tube. It's exactly the right size.
How do you get the Power figure of 20HP?
I have little to no knowledge of this but I want to make dremel tool where the motor is within the handheld enclosure but has quite a bit of power. I have tried multiple dremels that are sold online but found them to be either too inconvenient as a package or too underwhelming in terms of power.
I think a motor with roughly 18000 to 22000 RPM and 1-2 HP.
Is this even possible?
An answer would be much appreciated.
Horsepower and watts are directly related. 746 watts = 1 hp. These brushless motors are typically 90-95% efficient; so let's say it takes about 800 watts to generate 1 hp with this motor. So far in testing, the highest observed power was 22,000 watts - which is actually over 27 hp. Admittedly, it was burst power, but there none the less. We're typically running around 14,000 watts going down track. You can calculate torque from hp and rpm - this video goes into pretty good detail with some actual data logs from our drag tests: ruclips.net/video/4Wwzjgn4fog/видео.html
Hi I think your wires may of been touching this makes it hard to move the rotator
That's true of some of my other motors; but not these. Apparently, the more poles a motor has the more it "cogs" when trying to turn manually. Of course, on the wire touching thing, you're right - shorting the windings makes it even more difficult to turn the motor.
I run 6 pole TP 5660 1440kv and 6 pole TP 5870 800kv in my rc cars. The fact that they are 6 pole motors with great magnetic resistance there are not to many esc's that can handle the transistor switching frequency of current demand of the motor on 12s. Castles 2028 800kv is the go to motor it is a 4 pole motor and wakes up so easily on 12. I hope this information was helpful to you and good luck man
I did actually get it to spin on 4s (like in the video). What esc do you use for your 5780? Thanks!
@@AlexLTDLX MGM x2pro on 12s. ZTW/HOBBYSTAR 12s failed on me twice
@@AlexLTDLX getting the motor to spin is not problem. It's the current path to 6 pole wire windings that tend to damage ESC transistor switching frequency for motor demanding maximum constant current. A good motor for 12s is castle 2028 800kv 4pole motor but they are very hard to find
@@KiloWattRC that's why I ended up with the TP power motor. I couldn't find a castle motor. But this one is supposed to be more powerful anyway. What ESC do you run with your big TP motor?
@@AlexLTDLX MGM x2 pro 25063-3
That Motor is a real juwel, i have 2 w it 2 400A Speedcontroller in my Hydroplane, but they Made 54k .rpm , but i had to made a watercoolingtube x2 !
Hello, if you don’t mind me asking would it be possible to get this motor in a arrma Krayton 8 1:5 scale truck, I understand there maybe modifications that would have to be done and I’m very willing!!!! Thank you!
I have no idea.
Whilst the youtube title of 20HP is catchy, the correct specification for this motor is 7000W continuous, which is about 9 HP not 20 HP ! The 11,000 W (20 HP) rating is maximum, but as usual the manufacturer provides no further details as to how long the motor can sustain that power. Common sense should tell you that at a rated efficiency of 90%, the motor will be dissipating about 1.1 KW of heat, so thats not going to happen for long. Chinese specifications...............LOL
I ultimately went a little larger in practical use with a 5870. That one ran at just under 14kW the entire time I ran it.
Can I use it as a water pump for agricultural purposes
You could, but there are probably better choices (lower rpm).
I gave myself a black eye again
The biggest motor they make is 100xl @97 bhp or 72 volts@660 amps Lehner LMT has a 1600 grams motor-3080 that maxed out at 72 volts and 600 amps!!! They also have a 30100 that's 2100 gram's @40Kw or around 50-75 bhp with a MGM 80063 ESC - 63 volt@800 amps to run it🤓
Holy cow - I had no idea. If this works maybe we'll go nuts and see if we can spin up a YSI or some larger blower and run 8's in the LTD! The problem with the bigger motors is max rpm. But it might work for a TVS 2500...
That us true....mgm does....but that combo will set u back 2300 bucks.
cool stuff man, keep it up, if this works good, going to make one for my duramax for some low rpm torqs!!!!
which esc is needed for this i would like to build into my mhz boat and which batteries would be necessary for this
I don't know. I'm using it for an electric turbo. The only ESC that hasn't blown up is a 16s 400 amp APD esc. I run 4x9000 mah 4s lipos in series; and that pack is in parallel with another 4x6000 mah 4s lipos. You're looking at close to $2,000 worth of batteries and ESC to really use this motor.
@@AlexLTDLX
These motors run on the giant esc like the easyrun and mamba monster xl2, let me know if I get the esc names wrong
I've been using Flier ESCs - I've blown up one already and I'm being cautious with the second one - the first one blew under it's rating.
If you run a castle xlx2 esc make sure kv rating is within specs or else the esc will fry.have a few friends that own the xlx2 and haven't had any problems with them but seen a few people on here plug them in and send them up in flames in a matter of minutes if not seconds.if everything's good on setup that esc can put out 500amps without flinching though so its a beast.also need to make sure you have good batteries with a high c rating and high amp rated connectors like the xt90,castles 6.5mm connectors or even castles 8mm bullet connectors otherwise connectors can get hot enough to actually melt the solder on connectors.also don't think you get motors full potential on a 4s battery pack since motor is for a 5th scale rc that usually run between 6 and 8s.
@@AlexLTDLX - To my memory The Flier ESC's don't come with much of an heatsink to dissipate the heat from the mosfets (they worry about weight on RC aircraft ESC's) so you could (should) do what I do with the ESC's for my RC car and boat projects and mod that Flier ESC - strip it down,put a bigger heatsink with a little high speed fan on and/ or use computer CPU/GPU water cooling blocks, a circulation pump and it's own little radiator and repot the ESC, All the parts are easy to obtain from ebay and not that expensive really. Then again If memory serves me right the Flier ESC's don't have much of a peak ampage like the ESC's meant for RC cars, find one that does and it should be a lot more reliable, Especially so if you use the above suggestion . All the best and good luck with your projects.
I just started watching your videos. I have almost the same set up in my mustang. Belt driven s trim. It's much faster but not perfect. So my comment is this, if it takes 50-70 hp to turn my s trim, how are you going to do it with a 20 hp motor?
Like this: ruclips.net/video/AOL3Qyczt3Y/видео.html
Hey is the shaft 20mm or 30mm
Honestly, I don't remember, and I can't measure it because it's currently installed in an electric turbo. It's whatever the stock length is.
Anyone else came here for a review for the motor on a rc car application? 😅
I wonder if I can put this in my Infraction. 😍
@@KaizerTest it should if you get a 1/5 motor mount
@@ssrixk Yeah I was thinking of getting one of those.
2 of your wires look like they are touching which will make the shift harder to turn!
Have you figured out the shaft coupling yet?
Yeah, I'm going to use the Vortech factory shaft, and drill and ream into the back of it after grinding off the hardened area. 2 set screws and one angular contact bearing and it should be good to go.
could I gear this down and use it in a small go-kart?
Sure. It's proven to be a durable motor.
thats great
hey what do you think about this motor TP POWER TP4030-CM
it goes up to 96000rpm?
I don't know - Id have to look into it. I can tell you that I've taken the motor I have apart, and it's pretty far from a precision piece. Hand grinding for clearance and cheapest of the cheap bearings...
@@AlexLTDLX atleast you can say handbuilt :D
@@AlexLTDLX when is the new episode?
@@reinkarnatsioon You mean the next video here or the next episode of All Out Live and The Call Out? All Out Live's Lapeer Muscle Class show is being finished by an editor to my left as I type; and I'm going to try to post a new video in the next day or two. It's been brutal lately - after the heatpump thing (which I did make a video about), my kid had a cold with a fever of 103.9, my mom had two heart attacks a couple of weeks apart, my neighbor's house burned down, my dad has gotten to the point where he needs daily care and of course, the Wuhan virus is dominating everything. But I have been making headway on the blower (believe it or not)...
@@AlexLTDLX sry to hear that, hang in there, will be waiting for the progress of the blower then
Will this be good in an dbxle 2.0 with xlx2
I don't know what that means, tbh.
I have the same motor and was under the impression it was 1440 KV
You can order it in a number of different configurations. I actually tested this one and it's a bit over 1,000 kv.
When is the next video?!
This is getting very interesting!
Very soon. I have everything I need to make the coupler, and the garage is 80% done. If we're all Lucky maybe I'll do it this weekend.
@@AlexLTDLX super excited for this. There is also a guy who made a motor out of an alternator and attached it to a twinscrew supercharger. But he had to use lots of batteries.
@@FirstLast-tx3yj i need video!!!!
Very fat tp power 🤩 🔥🔥
As far as I know most of the rc motors out there are made in China including castle creations but don't quote me on the castle motors cause I don't know much about them.ran my slash on stock vxl 3s setup for roughly 8yrs until I decided to make it a lcg chassis and step up to 6s power to make it a speed run beast.literally just bought my first castle esc ever about 2 months ago.went with the mamba monster x 8s and plan on stepping up from traxxas udr 2200kv motor thats currently in it to a tp motor(believe the I want is 2700kv)as well as a poseidon motor just to see which one will give me best results.if I can't hit 140mph with it on 6s then im stepping up to 8s and putting that bitch to the moon.lmao
So, what kind of ESC do I need for this motor?
I'm not sure yet... I'm trying to find the best option. I'm open to suggestions.
@@AlexLTDLX i use the Alien esc 350amps sport 2..
Its a geat combination for my 5th scale Rs5 on 12s.
@@jimveerm3 And it works well for you? Thanks!
It really depends on what you're doing. I run two TP 5870's and both in DBX-E's. The 6D run with a Max5 on 8S, and geared right, it is a perfect match. The other runs 12S and an MTZ Beast 300A ESC and that is a 5D. While the 5870 is rated for 10k rpm less than the 5860, the 5870 is the more powerful one for sure, and the speed difference is easily made up in the gear ratio.
@@AB-80X How does your 5870 5D do with over voting it? The 5D is rated at 36V and you're pumping 44 volts! I'm asking because I plan on running the 5860 1450KV (rated at 34V) at 37V. Would love to hear how it's been holding up for you!
How much does it cost ? Please
$288 shipped is what I paid.
Now you have to figure out how to integrate it with the label maker! )
Is it worth price?
For what it is, yeah, probably. Is it perfect? No. But I know have two of them and for the most part, they perform well. There are a few sniggles here and there - the aluminum on the rear caps is little thin and one of the screws on my 5870 was stripped and l0ctited from the factory - I ended up loctiting in a helicoil. On this motor, the front plate was machined without taking into account the thickness of the anodizing. Which meant running a tap through the mounting threads to get screws to fit.
Can i use it in e bike..???
You'd have to gear it down pretty far. Either that or prepare to go warp factor 9 on a bicycle. Acceleration would suck though. And outrunner type motor would be a better choice - something with a much lower kv.
How much Rpm does it have
50,000 rpm is the rated limit.
@@AlexLTDLX thanks can you send a purchase link for me
Your hands shake alot, you all good?
Yeah - it's an essential tremor that runs in my family. It's been getting a bit worse lately because both my parents have been having health issues, and while my mom's more or less out of the woods, my dad is terminal. I think it's the stress making things worse. I need to make sure it's not MS (my cousin has MS; her dad - my uncle - shook really badly. He was a fairly prominent artist and used it to his advantage. Google "Michael Pater artist" and you'll see what I mean.)
@@AlexLTDLX Damn, hope everything sways in your favor man
Really ? It is a 20 hp motor.
We've already pushed 22,300 peak watts through it - about 30 hp: ruclips.net/video/TO5nUs0NPm0/видео.html
Yeh made in china amazing!!!
A lot of cogging
Not even close to 20hp..
It's actually over 20hp in our testing. You do know that hp is a function of torque AND rpm, right? This video proves it:. ruclips.net/video/AOL3Qyczt3Y/видео.html. Multiply volts by amps to get watts at divide by 746 (watts in one hp). Before losses, we were over 24 hp the whole way down the track.
You have shaky hands
I know. Runs in the family. Not much I can do. Sorry.