Great video. I have a GC2 and the PRGR and use both in my garage. The GC2 doesn't display clubhead speed but the ball speeds numbers are always within 1MPH of each other. The PRGR is a great device to take to the range or even the course as it's super portable.
Great piece of kit for the money. I got one last year too over the Garmin one as it was less than half the price. You know it was always going to be out a bit but not by much. Compared it with both trackman and quad and was pleasantly surprised. Ideal for the back garden net as Paul said. I don’t think the ball conversion from range to premium at trackman ranges I can be trusted.
I got one of these over a year ago for speed trading as it was the only one I could find that measures swing speed without a ball. When it first came out it was terrible at measuring wedges, but now it is really good.
Used a PRGR for the last couple of years. Amazing bit of kit! To get within a tiny percentage accuracy of kit that costs 100x the price, is staggering. Imagine buying a driver that cost 1% of the price and gets you 99% of the performance of a competitor product. Great video chaps. Can't recommend a PRGR highly enough.
Budget launch monitor is on my shopping list this year. PRGR is a definite contender, although I’m also considering the Garmin for the simulation features it offers. 👍
Awesome, Dan & Paul. The quality v price was astounding. I'd be interested to see what you might find doing similar with a Toptracer Range v Trackman range. Never quite sure what to make of those.
I see some wild results at top tracer and the yardages are miles off I find even though they claim it’s equal to a premium ball. I’ve had a ball go left and right in mid air.
I think it would be good in the net before a round to see if you/ the weather is causing you to hit longer or shorter than normal. Quite often you get a cold day when you’re feeling a club less.
Got one too and definitely worth the money. Similarly found little difference between mine and the GC2 I have access to. Great on the range and a good bit of fun for swing speed/ ball speed/ yardage challenges for you and your mates 😊
Got one for my super speed training but also used it with driver on the range. The numbers are super close to my trackman numbers I get when hitting indoors. It does round up for the smash factor though
I have had a prgr for few years now. I use prgr primarily for speed sticks. I love the prgr! Its nice for speed sticks because you can look at swing speed with out use of golf clubs. Most inexpensive devices under 2k for golf require you to use a golf club. The prgr works with sticks, bats, clubs etc. Plus i know if i am swining at 100mph i know 300 yards is not possible. This forces me to improve my swing instead empting multiple buckets of balls with driver wondering why my ball is not carrying 250 or 300. The prgr offers you a reality check on your potential swing speed.
I'm pretty sure the reason for the club input, is for the spin. It can't accurately measure spin. Even trackman is rubbish at reading spin without dots on the balls. Great video. Best launch monitor for that price that I have seen
Great video dan and Paul and have to agree that for the money it’s a great gadget,and yes there’s always going to been a difference between those 2 machines. And as Paul has used his for a year he would definitely get a good idea of numbers,also it’s a lot more portable as you can just slide it in your pocket or bag. I also think you’re both right with your assessments.
Did a similar test with my SkyTrak v GC quad. Needed to tweak the environmental settings elevation humidity, temp etc to dial in / calibrate. Now it’s very close and same as on course distances.
Looks very impressive and a great demonstration by you (and Paul). Great comparison and for someone like me that doesn't want to spend a huge amount on something like this, but still would like to use it to see any possible improvements over time, it's ideal. I'd like to see a few more of these "cheaper" devices being compared to the GC Quad or Trackman devices and see which one comes out best value for money.
Seems perfect for the price ,as close as it needs to be unless your a tour pro ,a lot closer than top tracer at the range I go too ,which is so far out it’s a joke .
Bought one of these during COVID lockdowns, worked great in the garden for training swing speed. Once I started using at the top tracer range I found it to be closer toy actual numbers than the top tracer was, I've had lesson and they used trackman and I found that showed numbers closers to the prgr which gave me the belief it was really quite accurate
I use a Rapsodo MLM (the cheaper one) it’s a fantastic piece of kit with the tracer, video & datasets, however, it chews through iPhone battery in use and I have no real way of determining how accurate it is. But value for money at about £260
Hi Dan have been using my PRGR LAUNCH monitor since COVID started some 4years, originally used it at home for speed training👍, Now use it on every practice it tells you exactly how well your hitting it every time👍, wouldn’t be without it, Dickey 9hcp 77year senior golfer
As stated in the video, you can calibrate it based on on-course observation. You will then know at least if swing/club results compare upwards or downwards. The absence of spin data does however make it 'limited' if you then wish to compare performance with that of different clubs.
Been using a device very similar to this for 4 years from Japan with the speed in m/s. Similar to this video I find the ball speed close to range system estimates but sometimes the club speed and smash factor are obviously wrong.
It's interesting, i have recently played on a SIM that uses a GCQuad and on a SIM that uses a much cheaper SKYTrak+. There really wasn't much in it on yardages etc vs what i would expect but on shot shape the Quad seemed to far better match from the strike of the ball with driver and with irons. I miss left if i am going to and SkyTrak had me right most of the time. So i think it depends what you are using them for.
Dan we have just had top tracer installed at the club. It is brilliant for gapping etc. I have for the first time ever got swings for yardages under 100 yds eg 60 yds is 9 o'clock with my 52°. Would be brilliant if you could do a quad/top tracer comparison as TT has limited numbers IE no club speed only ball. I think it would help give an idea of what ball speeds mean in relation to distance. There is no smash factor with tt so sometimes ball and distance numbers don't add up! Just a thought.
I once went for a fitting with Quad used. I ended up NOT buying them because the distance I was getting was quite poor compared to what I know I was getting on the course from my current irons
I got one a few weeks ago, and ended up returning it. Just wasn't giving me accurate numbers compared to my bushnell launch pro beside it. Fluctuations of 20mph between swings, some lower than real life, some 20 mph faster.
When I hit my 8 iron it will show a club head speed of low 90's..but then it shows the distance does not reflect that. I use the top tracer at my range and the yardage is about equal, yet that swing speed is very off. And it only occurs with those shorter irons.
Dan I imagine this works off radar, I hit balls at an indoor range that used trackman, they didn’t have RCT balls, the ones with radar reflective coatings that I’ve heard you need to use with radar devices indoors, the numbers were sketchy that I got. What’s your thought on radar devices indoors without RCT balls?
Your average handicap golfer's dispersion is such that a 1% inaccuracy is meaningless so I wouldn't hesitate to get one for use with my net at home particularly to judge swing speed & efficiency to measure how I improve my swing, especially in the winter months.
Why would 4 iron be the decider? Surely that just shows that if there is more left it's less accurate, so it's not great for practising wedge distances🤔
Question for your Dan, if the PRGR is 'wrong' by 2% would it change your lesson, or would you recommend a student did something different? I would imagine not. I m very surprised by how useful this is. Is there anything similar that helps with angle of attack, club path?
Measuring path and face is always difficult to find at cheap prices, think you need to invest a lot more. As for would I change in the lesson, hard to say do you mean in with spin numbers?
My thought was that this is 'good enough' in terms of accuracy, with data I am always interested in the "so-what", i.e. what difference would it make if this number were more or less accurate, what would it change. I have a practice net I made in the garden during lock-down, was thinking of getting one of these, and maybe those mats that brush showing how hit the ball, mainly as a feedback exercise for the kids. @@DanHendriksenGolf
@@PaulGSimGolfandRacing it will tend to be opposite as mat acts like trampoline to extent and contact is made higher on face thus less spin and greater launch inside
@@russellfothergill9082 for a non forgiving Matt I agree, but most people (including Dan’s it looks like) use a forgiving Matt which would increase spin
I have one - the smash, ball speed, carry all get very random when strike deteriorates. Paul is a machine. I am not. I very much trust driver club head speed though. Perfect for speed training. I then only look at the carry, etc., if I’m happy with strike, and then only for fun really. Oooooo, that was a quick swing and a strike… what would that be on course. I’m just over 100mph CHS with driver, for reference.
I own garmin r10 and its exact opposite driver way off lose 30 yards on garmin my spin numbers around 3500 in real life 2000 , wedge s shorter irons a lot more accurate
I won't to see a a video series where you play and rank courses. The series being called the weekend warrior. Courses must be less than £40 pay and play. Club house, food, drink, halfway hut, buggy or trolley options, range/practice facilities
Its a great little system but you shouldnt have to put a "club" in thats a screw up by the makers, it should be a loft, that would surely make the algorithm work better!
Prgr will only measure BS and estimate the other 2 key parameters (launch and spin) based on club. If Paul’s actual launch and spin are very close to standard it will hence give v accurate numbers. If he was hitting driver with spin of 3500 and 8 launch it would be way off
I got one of these for Xmas. It’s fantastic for dialling in the wedges. 40-100. Within 1 yard of Quad.
Brilliant machine. Got one 6 months ago.
Great game of TopTrumps 😊
Great video & good to see Paul swinging it well - I think that for £200, it is a great bit of kit!
Great video. I have a GC2 and the PRGR and use both in my garage. The GC2 doesn't display clubhead speed but the ball speeds numbers are always within 1MPH of each other. The PRGR is a great device to take to the range or even the course as it's super portable.
I got my PRGR as part of the Stack system. I find it is within a few MPH of Trackman and very consistent. It's hard to beat for the price.
Great piece of kit for the money. I got one last year too over the Garmin one as it was less than half the price. You know it was always going to be out a bit but not by much.
Compared it with both trackman and quad and was pleasantly surprised.
Ideal for the back garden net as Paul said. I don’t think the ball conversion from range to premium at trackman ranges I can be trusted.
I owned the first generation of PRGR. IT'S incredible for the price.
Had a PRGR for just over a year it's really helped me with wedge distances 100 Yards and in, Well worth the money
I got one of these over a year ago for speed trading as it was the only one I could find that measures swing speed without a ball. When it first came out it was terrible at measuring wedges, but now it is really good.
Used a PRGR for the last couple of years. Amazing bit of kit! To get within a tiny percentage accuracy of kit that costs 100x the price, is staggering. Imagine buying a driver that cost 1% of the price and gets you 99% of the performance of a competitor product. Great video chaps. Can't recommend a PRGR highly enough.
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Definitely seems worth it. Let's face it if Paul has been using it for a year so we already knew that
Budget launch monitor is on my shopping list this year. PRGR is a definite contender, although I’m also considering the Garmin for the simulation features it offers. 👍
I have Garmin + Awesome Golf Software...Great budget setup
For value for money its a no brainer Dan how about more of this compare videos?
Awesome, Dan & Paul. The quality v price was astounding. I'd be interested to see what you might find doing similar with a Toptracer Range v Trackman range. Never quite sure what to make of those.
I see some wild results at top tracer and the yardages are miles off I find even though they claim it’s equal to a premium ball.
I’ve had a ball go left and right in mid air.
I think it would be good in the net before a round to see if you/ the weather is causing you to hit longer or shorter than normal. Quite often you get a cold day when you’re feeling a club less.
100% Steve 👍
Got one too and definitely worth the money. Similarly found little difference between mine and the GC2 I have access to. Great on the range and a good bit of fun for swing speed/ ball speed/ yardage challenges for you and your mates 😊
Got one for my super speed training but also used it with driver on the range. The numbers are super close to my trackman numbers I get when hitting indoors. It does round up for the smash factor though
I have had a prgr for few years now. I use prgr primarily for speed sticks. I love the prgr! Its nice for speed sticks because you can look at swing speed with out use of golf clubs. Most inexpensive devices under 2k for golf require you to use a golf club. The prgr works with sticks, bats, clubs etc. Plus i know if i am swining at 100mph i know 300 yards is not possible. This forces me to improve my swing instead empting multiple buckets of balls with driver wondering why my ball is not carrying 250 or 300. The prgr offers you a reality check on your potential swing speed.
Seems like a great bit of kit for the money. Very impressive. The new intro graphics are super professional and really cool 😎
I'm pretty sure the reason for the club input, is for the spin. It can't accurately measure spin. Even trackman is rubbish at reading spin without dots on the balls. Great video. Best launch monitor for that price that I have seen
Good bit of kit and an interesting video boys 👍🏽
Literally just been trying to find out how accurate these are for speed training, cheers guys
Great video dan and Paul and have to agree that for the money it’s a great gadget,and yes there’s always going to been a difference between those 2 machines.
And as Paul has used his for a year he would definitely get a good idea of numbers,also it’s a lot more portable as you can just slide it in your pocket or bag.
I also think you’re both right with your assessments.
Did a similar test with my SkyTrak v GC quad. Needed to tweak the environmental settings elevation humidity, temp etc to dial in / calibrate. Now it’s very close and same as on course distances.
Looks very impressive and a great demonstration by you (and Paul). Great comparison and for someone like me that doesn't want to spend a huge amount on something like this, but still would like to use it to see any possible improvements over time, it's ideal. I'd like to see a few more of these "cheaper" devices being compared to the GC Quad or Trackman devices and see which one comes out best value for money.
That’s awesome info. Would like to see maybe some more comparisons.
Amazing video guys. I was looking to buy this for my 10 year old daughter to assist practicing at home in our net. Will definitely purchase now.
Don’t forget to use the code Andrew Dan5 👍
Good vid. It would be interesting to have 2 GC Quads together to see if they produce identical results.
Seems perfect for the price ,as close as it needs to be unless your a tour pro ,a lot closer than top tracer at the range I go too ,which is so far out it’s a joke .
Great video lads, really insightful. Been interested in one of these for a while.
Love to have one of those prgr monitors
Thanks guys. Good review.
Possibly not for my game but if I pick up a bit during spring summer might be worth a look
Great, informative video. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
great video dan! looks like great value
Bought one of these during COVID lockdowns, worked great in the garden for training swing speed. Once I started using at the top tracer range I found it to be closer toy actual numbers than the top tracer was, I've had lesson and they used trackman and I found that showed numbers closers to the prgr which gave me the belief it was really quite accurate
I use a Rapsodo MLM (the cheaper one) it’s a fantastic piece of kit with the tracer, video & datasets, however, it chews through iPhone battery in use and I have no real way of determining how accurate it is. But value for money at about £260
Nice test dan. For the money it seems to perform really well, those numbers were pretty close
Looks like something I need. Is there a dealer here in the USA? Also, what devices does this work with? Android? IPhone? PC?
Also the PRGR does not require a ball to give you swing speeds. Ì have one and I often use it on the course.
What a great piece of kit that is for the money....👍🏻
Hi Dan have been using my PRGR LAUNCH monitor since COVID started some 4years, originally used it at home for speed training👍, Now use it on every practice it tells you exactly how well your hitting it every time👍, wouldn’t be without it, Dickey 9hcp 77year senior golfer
Great review gents! Does the PRGR measure swing speed only if you are not hitting balls?
Yes
Interesting, pretty accurate for a cheap launch monitor . 👍
Seems like great value and£ would be brilliant down the range 👌👌
As stated in the video, you can calibrate it based on on-course observation. You will then know at least if swing/club results compare upwards or downwards. The absence of spin data does however make it 'limited' if you then wish to compare performance with that of different clubs.
....by clubs I mean different manufacturers.
Great video Dan!
Been using a device very similar to this for 4 years from Japan with the speed in m/s. Similar to this video I find the ball speed close to range system estimates but sometimes the club speed and smash factor are obviously wrong.
had one of these about 3 years back was very accurate but was under £90 then
It's interesting, i have recently played on a SIM that uses a GCQuad and on a SIM that uses a much cheaper SKYTrak+. There really wasn't much in it on yardages etc vs what i would expect but on shot shape the Quad seemed to far better match from the strike of the ball with driver and with irons. I miss left if i am going to and SkyTrak had me right most of the time. So i think it depends what you are using them for.
Dan we have just had top tracer installed at the club. It is brilliant for gapping etc. I have for the first time ever got swings for yardages under 100 yds eg 60 yds is 9 o'clock with my 52°. Would be brilliant if you could do a quad/top tracer comparison as TT has limited numbers IE no club speed only ball. I think it would help give an idea of what ball speeds mean in relation to distance. There is no smash factor with tt so sometimes ball and distance numbers don't add up! Just a thought.
I once went for a fitting with Quad used. I ended up NOT buying them because the distance I was getting was quite poor compared to what I know I was getting on the course from my current irons
I got one a few weeks ago, and ended up returning it. Just wasn't giving me accurate numbers compared to my bushnell launch pro beside it.
Fluctuations of 20mph between swings, some lower than real life, some 20 mph faster.
When I hit my 8 iron it will show a club head speed of low 90's..but then it shows the distance does not reflect that. I use the top tracer at my range and the yardage is about equal, yet that swing speed is very off. And it only occurs with those shorter irons.
Excellent
Dan I imagine this works off radar, I hit balls at an indoor range that used trackman, they didn’t have RCT balls, the ones with radar reflective coatings that I’ve heard you need to use with radar devices indoors, the numbers were sketchy that I got. What’s your thought on radar devices indoors without RCT balls?
Is the quad set to local weather temperatures ?
Your average handicap golfer's dispersion is such that a 1% inaccuracy is meaningless so I wouldn't hesitate to get one for use with my net at home particularly to judge swing speed & efficiency to measure how I improve my swing, especially in the winter months.
Why would 4 iron be the decider? Surely that just shows that if there is more left it's less accurate, so it's not great for practising wedge distances🤔
Question for your Dan, if the PRGR is 'wrong' by 2% would it change your lesson, or would you recommend a student did something different? I would imagine not. I m very surprised by how useful this is. Is there anything similar that helps with angle of attack, club path?
Measuring path and face is always difficult to find at cheap prices, think you need to invest a lot more. As for would I change in the lesson, hard to say do you mean in with spin numbers?
My thought was that this is 'good enough' in terms of accuracy, with data I am always interested in the "so-what", i.e. what difference would it make if this number were more or less accurate, what would it change. I have a practice net I made in the garden during lock-down, was thinking of getting one of these, and maybe those mats that brush showing how hit the ball, mainly as a feedback exercise for the kids. @@DanHendriksenGolf
Would be very interesting if the manufacturer developed it so an individual could select their actual clubs with the lofts
Could be their next generation option 👍
Surely you should know that the spin inside will be greater inside than outside with higher lofted irons - which will affect distance
Also a forgiving Matt will produce more spin
@@PaulGSimGolfandRacing it will tend to be opposite as mat acts like trampoline to extent and contact is made higher on face thus less spin and greater launch inside
@@russellfothergill9082 for a non forgiving Matt I agree, but most people (including Dan’s it looks like) use a forgiving Matt which would increase spin
I have one - the smash, ball speed, carry all get very random when strike deteriorates. Paul is a machine. I am not.
I very much trust driver club head speed though. Perfect for speed training. I then only look at the carry, etc., if I’m happy with strike, and then only for fun really. Oooooo, that was a quick swing and a strike… what would that be on course.
I’m just over 100mph CHS with driver, for reference.
I own garmin r10 and its exact opposite driver way off lose 30 yards on garmin my spin numbers around 3500 in real life 2000 , wedge s shorter irons a lot more accurate
Evening boys
Now go take those to bits of tech and compare to top tracer range
I won't to see a a video series where you play and rank courses. The series being called the weekend warrior.
Courses must be less than £40 pay and play.
Club house, food, drink, halfway hut, buggy or trolley options, range/practice facilities
Okay we will I will get Lester on the case 👍
Hasn’t this been released before?
Not by me
Its a great little system but you shouldnt have to put a "club" in thats a screw up by the makers, it should be a loft, that would surely make the algorithm work better!
Prgr will only measure BS and estimate the other 2 key parameters (launch and spin) based on club. If Paul’s actual launch and spin are very close to standard it will hence give v accurate numbers. If he was hitting driver with spin of 3500 and 8 launch it would be way off
For the average golfer, keep the money and invest the monitor? Would the average golfer really need or use this 🤔
It’s one of those Col where people could just get their numbers from the Pro’s unit up the club