Is This The End Of Erik Ten Hag?! | Man United News
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- Опубликовано: 13 апр 2024
- Is it now IMPOSSIBLE for Erik ten Hag to save his job? Join Jay Motty as we look back at Bournemouth 2-2 Manchester United, as ten Hag seemingly 'storms out' of his presser and Alejandro Garnacho expresses his FURY!
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I don't think a manager acting rationally can keep Rashford and Casemiro on for the full 90 minutes when they play like that. We all know they're out of form, so why didn't ten Hag make a change?
My reading of the situation is that either EtH is being pressured by Upper Management to keep playing these out of form players, like Rashford, as they're on massive wages (this also could potentially be contract related), or more worryingly, EtH fears he will lose the dressing room altogether if Rashford (and all the rest) are dropped.
Keep their selling value by acting like they are not players destined to be sold?
You make good points as regards the politics and contract situations. Another thing to consider is replacements. As out of it as Casemiro has been, he's the best we've got. We know how much more we've struggled without him.
Even Rashford (if we disregard his newly-signed bumper contract and whatever malcontent dropping him may cause) there isn't an obvious replacement. If you move Garnacho to the left, who goes on the right? Antony? Or Amad? Apart from the winner in the Liverpool game, he hasn't genuinely impressed. He had 45min against Bournemouth and didn't do much.
So why start Garnacho if he hadn't been training all week. Diallo should have probably started.
There’s the real question. Why doesn’t the manager trust Amad?
Just more lies and bullshit from ten hag to mask his inability to manage at premier league level
@raymondmassie4898 if I was Diallo I'd want to leave
@@shaunk84 you wouldn’t blame him
@raymondmassie4898 I wouldn't blame him for wanting to go. Just doesn't make sense why Ten Hag kept him at the club if he's not going to use him. He could have gone on loan again.
You don’t single out a 19 year old when your “star” players on 300k a week are absolutely terrible.
Don't know if you watched the game mate but garnacho wouldn't stay on the right and didn't protect dalot. He needed off that pitch
@@jonzoshokk guess the point is flying over your head “mate” taking the kid off at 45 minutes is enough, don’t single him out and throw him under the bus in your post game presser. But hey let’s fall out with another player publicly again right?
Did you watch the press conference? He's explained his decision, he'd been ill and wasn't performing well. He's also started him 30 times in a row. Rashford, I agree needs to fuck off, but this bullshit of jumping on every little thing that's said is ridiculous
All the ones who wanted poch instead of ten hag are picking their fingers trying to get him sacked. His players are bolloxed. You can't run around that often without injury risk. He has no squad depth at all
When will Streford Paddock talk about Rashford. Guy is stealing a living at Old trafford😢
Very unlikely all 'Rashy fan boys' 🤮
@felis1672 it's just funny that Rashford can't be benched. In our game against Liverpool, he shouted at the bench to sub him before he was subbed! Just go check the videos. I was shocked
Yes don't forget he is born + bred . Pathetic.bias
@@pt90 rashfords form will come back once he has the manager out and his boi sancho back so they can vibe and pocket a healthy salary.
It was raining and he wanted to go back to a warm dressing room
Rashford must have these lot by the balls, when are you guys gonna talk about this dude parading around as a professional football player?
His attitude stinks he needs to go
I think keep for now, who would replace him? Southgate? We have had issues for years and this season brutal injuries and form have highlighted the underlying issues. So many short sighted fans. Having said that its hard to defend ETH at times.
If we sack ETH we will be going back another 3 years!! What ETH is doing with this team is brilliant. We have one of the worst teams in the league but are still 7th and in semi final of fa cup. Bournemouth would kill for that! We have to stop being spoilt and expecting us to be Alex Fergusons Manchester United! We were always a cup team until Ferguson took over, even under Busby we weren't dominant. I don't know what people expect with these players 😂 WE DREW!!! ZA good result for these players
Brillaint 😂😂 are you having a laugh
I wish we could see something different tactically before the season ends. Also hope we win the FA cup.
EtH is not helping himself. I've been saying for ages that constantly changing managers is not the way to go but it CAN also be true that EtH is not the right manager for the way forward. I trust Ineos and the backroom players they are recruiting to make the right decision whatever that may be.
Why is not the way to go? Seems to work for Madrid. It’s all about having a good core of players for the next manger to work with. Ten Hag signed average players
Madrid always had players we don’t.. we are more like Barcelona.. youth is the way to go
Can I ask why you trust ineos?
@@dairefinnie1533 Because they have been very successful taking business operations that are underperforming and making them extremely profitable. No-one would risk this amount of cash without a considered plan and this is certainly not asset stripping. Plus, nothing they have done so far has led me to believe they are going into this blind (please ignore the press generated speculation about the likes of Southgate …there is nothing more the press would like to see than United fail). SJR has already had more fan discussion than the Glazers ever did in 15 years and, while it's admittedly good press it's not all just photo ops. The appointments they are making are BIG names who would not risk their reputation to come here if the project they have seen (which we have not) was built on pillars of sand.
The bigger question for me is why do you NOT trust Ineos?
All the people going in on Garnacho, yeah he played bad yestersay, so did most of the team, Casemero could do with a wheelchair he was that slow, Rashford could do with a can of Red bull because he's absolutely lazy almost the whole season, Bruno isn't sticking to his position on the pitch (probably compensating for the lack of displine with other players)
Hoilund isn't getting much service, but he's not doing a whole lot off the ball, his positioning as a forward isn't great either.
And ETH is a coward, calling out players like Sancho and Garnacho, but no mention of Rashfords poor form all season and lack of effort. No mention of how bad Onana was at the start, no mention of Brunos poor form, he's selective in who he chooses to criticise publicly, he knows who to pick his fight with, calling out a 19 year old and a 23 year old, but he would never do it to lord Rashford. He got rid of Ronaldo because he knew he couldnt handl his ego, because Tenhag is a bloody fraud, I was sticking up for Tenhag but he has become absolutely deluded and he keeps picking players who don't care about the club or the fans, they are there for their own selfish reasons. No heart in the club anymore, been destroyed by overweight americans who look more into the dinner plate than they do the club! Disgraceful all round
If Southgate or Potter are seriously being considered for the managerial role at United, I'm calling it quits with my support for the club.
Dude they are far better than this fraud ten hag guy ... Let's be real
ETH looks like he’s aged 50 years in twelve months. This job is taking its toll on him. If he goes I wouldn’t blame him, nice little pay out and take a year off
It does that to everyone it seems😅
Ole had the same look at the end
Mou too
Old trafford, the media, the fans...it just swallows people up when it's not going perfectly-players and managers alike
Is the issue with the mentality of the players or ETH unable or failed to implement his style?
He literally hasnt changed 1 bit.😂
@@glencliffordsequeira7712how can you have a playing style with the amount of injuries/ different combinations in all positions. Beyond our first 11 we have no worldclass depth. What can you expect when there is not momentum and every week a new teamsheet? Last year we had fit players, we see a playing style and finished 2nd. Did you not watch last season?
I think we do need a change of players and manager now. Rashford, varane, martial, lindelof, sancho, greenwood, maguire, mctominay all need to go. Seems best to go with a completely fresh start.
Why? Because Varane, Martial, Lindelof, Sancho, Maguire and all the others mentioned are signings of the manager? ETH deserves until at least next summer regardless of the current results with a problem midfield pairing for Kobbie and a sufficient back line
Hard to back ETH lately. But he deserves a chance under the new setup. At the minute it is his values and principles that the players are being asked to follow. In a large club such as United there should be club values and principles set by the hierarchy that everyone is set to follow. These values are not in place so players feel like they are being asked to do things according to ETHs values, so they feel like they can argue with them/not do them and get away with it as there are no repercussions from higher up. Manager and club need to have matching values and principles and demand it from players and if they’re not met, they’re done
No he doesn’t. If we saw some improvement and a way forward, sure. But the sad fact is that we are just sinking deeper and deeper into the quicksand. Soon it will be over for TenHag. He was never able to transfer the great Ajax playing style and passing to United. I feel sorry for him personally, but he is making millons of pounds as a manager, and there is no way in hell this can go on. I expect an INEOS statement shortly.
Rashford needs to go.. simple... let's change the dynamics at the club...
You’re allowed to say Mark’s name Jay…
You mean Brent?
They don’t like each other
Utd do the simple things really badly.
Not seen anything to suggest the tactics and football is good enough to win trophies since he’s been in charge, yeah we won the league cup playing against farmers in lucky draws . Complete bottled the final v city , looked like children every time we played city , lost 7-0 against Liverpool (that was sackable) his win rate might be the best but he’s broken ALL the WRONG records achieving it , not seen anything to suggest he is better than Solskjaer either with man management or tactics . We are just postponing the inevitable, we need to act now or when we get beat of Coventry in 7 days , act like a modern ruthless club and sack the manager, not acceptable by any stretch .
I think I read that it's possible to get Nagelsmann in....probably a good shout at this stage.
@@Chriztefur while I agree with the negatives you've outlined, it's not like we haven't gotten in a manager after an international tournament before (LVG).
Open heart surgery is not fun to watch but it takes time and cracked ribs…
Problem is the patient is in danger of dying.
@@richardjones8699 yep
Surgery's over mate, the patient has been in ecovery for over a year and it turns out the surgeon didn't have a fucking clue what he was doing.
I think the surgeon needs a brain scan
@@stevoc9930 Ten Hag isn’t the surgeon…the surgeon needs to be the higher ups in the club…Ten Hag is just one of the tools…
I have been calling for his head since his disastrous signings in the pre-season and the awful performances from last season that were covered up by Rashford and Licha. With that said, we have almost left it too late now. At this point if we change manager then the entire makeup of the team has been changed by Ineos and any and all issues next season will fall on them. That will bring with it a huge amount of pressure and pretty much doom the manager. By trying to stick with Ten Hag despite him being obviously out of his depth, we have created yet another shit situation for ourselves. It is honestly incredible at this point. We hit when we should stick and we stick when we should hit.
Keep him for next season and blame any and all issues on him so that he can be scapegoated if there are teething issues with Berrada and Ashworth etc. In the meantime do everything we can to try and get one of the TOP managers interested in the job. Alonso, Inzaghi, Flick, Nagelsmann, Ancelotti, Spalletti. Someone of that ilk. If and when they become available, discard Ten Hag like a bad smell just like he did with De Gea and Ronaldo.
I really think we need to do everything we can to get Alonso. I know he played for Liverpool but Busby also played for City and Liverpool. What he did with that Leverkusen team was special. Every bit as impressive as Jose at Porto and even more impressive than Klopp at Dortmund. He is going to be the next world class manager. Pull out all the stops and if it still fails then at least we tried.
If we get Potter or Southgate then I am soooo fucking done, though. They might not be quite as woeful as ETH but that is a criticism of him and not praise of them.
To be honest Jay I watched in disbelief at just how bad we were against Bournemouth. We were awful for 90 minutes. Bruno dug us out with a scrambled effort and we got a lucky penalty, that for me shouldn't have been given. Attacking, defending and midfield play all woeful, there was absolutely no positives apart Onana keeping us in it.
Why dosnt United get rid of Rasford and a few others .
as soon as he was subbed i said i bet EtH comes out and says he was injured during the week. it was so obvious. im done with him now. you dont keep Rashford on for 90 mins with that performacnce and bring off a kid who has won you plenty of games this year. change the fking tactics if he is struggling in a game .
RF?
Garnacho was at fault for both goals, deserved to be taken off
Pep has no problem leaving out his stars
Is that because they have a fit squad and at least 2 good players in each position.
I hate it when united "fans" constantly compare us to a club that has cheated iall the way to the top.
Pep can afford to leave out his stars. He benches KDB and Foden or Bernardo plays. The drop in quality isn't that massive. United don't have that, and it's annoying when United fans keep making those unrealistic comparisons.
After the game paper talk I think it is dangerous. Like when Ste 5 things we've learned it gets more prospective the day after.
Play antony and amad for a change if garnacho’s injured and rashford’s gone off the boil. Antony played well against liverpool and chelsea.
Still not taken Rangnick's advice
When we get beat of Coventry then he'll be gone. It's the same shite every week
Why is no one talking about Onana? He's been brilliant lately. Without him, Manchester United would be worst off in the league. I get the mainstream media are anti-United, but I was hoping that fan channels would at least mention his good form of late. But, I guess I was wrong. They like to talk only about the gossip and negatives surrounding the club.
Beaten on his near post
This is a reality check why would anyone think we will win the FA cup
Patience. ETH will get it right.
Go on then Stretford Paddock. Call for another managers head. Cant wait to do this all again in 18 months time when Gareth Southgate has us in 10th place playing Maguire over a healthy Lisandro Martinez every week.
Hopefully 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Have to get him out right now.
100% it's the end......not sure hell get to the semi. Hes lost the total plot
Too many average players and the manager is clueless
It’s not good to change managers every 5 minutes but it’s also not good to stick with this shocking football. Get rid
He’s done pal. Players are playing for the fans a little bit…but they’re not playing for ETH.
The club need another complete overhaul with Ineos leading the charge. Unfortunately, we got it wrong with ETH, struggle to see why some people still think this guy has a process we need to trust. We're worse now than in the last 10 years. We'd spend $900M and be in 15th, and they'd still say trust the process. ETH needs to go and take 9 players with him. Start Over.
ETH is not the problem. Most of the players are just lazy .
*I try to ignore and not believe the media stories that he's already gone... That he's lost half the dressing room, and that ETH changed a few weeks ago... but I think him walking out of the press conference is very telling... I think there's already been meetings between him and INEOS, and he'll be gone in the summer*
The question he walked out of was a pointless question. Was a smug ass question revelling in the poor form
Garnacho 100 % right to show anger, makes things happen saved ten hag all season, rashford /Antony preference.... WhY!
Can't agree at all. It's totally unprofessional ,childish and the last thing we need is more petulant players who can't take it on the chin when they've been substituted. He needs to grow some and give any reply he thinks he needs to on the park.
Don't disagree with Rashford as I'm not even sure how he keeps getting starts.
Ten Hag, forced Ajax signings and every SEG related transaction needs to be investigated and reversed.
Honestly Jay, everything is an excuse for this manager... I refuse to believe that all these players want to be losers... This manager does nothing to change tactics, style of play, or the players that he plays, and it's [enter some bullshit here] every other week...
we are getting washed by teams we used to wipe the floor with... and winning the FA Cup is out of the question... Have you seen Coventry play?? they play with style, they play with passion, and their manager changes shit if it's not working... we do none of that... at all...
EtH is completely out of his element and has turned world-class players and a decent squad into a mid-table team... we can't build, we can't score, we can't transition, and we certainly can't defend but we are supposed to "Trust the Process" and not worry about conceding 17+ shots every game?? that's absolute madness... Tired of tenHag's United...
Y can't this generation of 18 to 25 year olds can't take criticism
Footballers represent the whole generation do they?
Personally most players need to go before a manager, if the manager goes first that means the players win once again.
Honestly, I've lost faith in the manager at this point. Approaching almost every game in the wrong way and seems clueless.
Let's be patience. Erik Ten Hag will get it it right. I feel he is the right manger for the Jamb
Big up @Jay 💯 this is the end of Ten Hag. My prediction where I said we would finish this season seems that I was right.
Can't wait to see the new bookies favourite on who the players will sack next.
Oh cry off.. ten hag has sacked himself
Misrepresentation - he said he brought Garnacho in to bring those qualities, check it again. I think United wil be in a better position if we keep ETH and sell Mainoo, Garna and Rasmus than if we sack ETH. The club is two brilliant games from everything being forgiven.
Alonso in! TenHag bye bye.
Yes
Probably. We could I suppose win the FAC and start playing wonderful football for the rest of the season but it seems unlikely.
Ten hag in💪🏽
The only ETH fault I can think of is his insistence on playing Rashy, BENCH HIM!
Why does a false depiction of ten Hag’s action lead to an air of anything other than very real anger toward the author of the article(s) who made the false claim?!? That known, why isn’t there a very real demand for the sacking of the editor in chief of the publication who hired a blatant liar to work for him or the publication??
Instead, a false depiction of ten Hag’s actions lead to -- an indictment of -- him.
Make it make sense.
for people saying give him time lets see what he does under a new structure and my question is why? what has he done to show that he can compete and best with europes elite?? his contract with us is different to how ineos wants to move on as well ... he is a good coach yes but absolutely replacable by most managers
When the going gets tough...Ten Hag gets going 😂
Garnacho needs a rest he has played a lot of games
ETH didn't storm off he got asked a question after the press manager said last question and just said i am not answering that and walked away 🤯
What i dont understand is if the player plays poorly why does he need to do things online? Just own it n agree n show on the pitch. Its hardly 'throwing the player under the bus' by saying he didnt play well n needed to sub. Hes 19 ffs, does he think hes the finished product already?
Garnacho’s still a youngster, plays very immaturely at times and seems to spit his dummy out every time he gets subbed. He has been poor for a few games now, if the manager decided to sub him because it’s what he feels is best for the team then I say fair play. Zip it and work hard in training during the week to secure that starting place again. Jumping to socials to like comments like a petulant child isn’t the right way to go about it.
Fans chose players over Jose who eventually begged for the sack, Ole needs to drop McFred and unlock' Pogba, his tactics and coaching are shit what is McKenna and Carrick teaching them?.... and here we are again.
Feels like the end and should be the end it’s been horrific this season
he seems like a good manager,but some of his ingame decisions this season and last is strange to be honest
I don’t think the structure is that bad. He has to bring the defensive line up that’s the only thing. I will put most of it down to the player. In yesterday’s game when we lost the ball and opp player got in possession we had three players on the side Garnacho, Casemiro and Dalot by the touch line. Now our intensity of press was so horrible that their possession with the same player ended up in final third. Thats one e.g countless other are there in first half. In second half we were much better. As a manager you can only put in the structure the application needs to come from the players. I don’t think changing manager will solve the problem,it will only add to it. The players are the issue. Lack of physicality intensity tactical awareness it can be drilled. Just poor from our players.
Nonsense, the mentality comes from the manager . If he can’t get a cohesive unit together that’s on him .
that only things been an issue for the last 3 or 4 managers tbf. What does that say?
Southgate in next? Maybe Potter? Things are looking bleak if those are the options.
It’s done
united need two CM, two CB and a striker , if there's money left a winger too. At this rate I dont think we will see no more than 3 signings.
Depends on how many the can flog and for what prices. They’ll save a fortune in wages by flogging Varane, Casemiro, Sancho - maybe Rashford. That’s close to £100 million a year right there in wages plus about £200 million in transfer fees
ETH believes that results are the ones that will keep him in a job not the performances . everyone told him this wasnt unsustainable he refused to listen and now we are here . but for me a manager abandoning their whole philosophy is soo down right horrendous i dont even know what he is thinking .
Practicality probably. Burnley stuck with their philosophy and are going down with it.
Insanity is doing the same thing without any changes and expecting a different result. If you don't have the players to do what you'd rather do, fit square pegs in square holes till you can get round pegs for your round holes.
Rashy Fan Boy Channel!
Ten Hagg needs to go now we need to get rid of players this summer really need BIG changes at this club no back bone from certain players Rashford offers nothing upfront Rasmus not getting any service Casmerio is not the player he was anymore I really hope INIOS bring the right players in
Eccles cakes in … Glaziers out
Jay’s lovely shaped head
give us a shout
End of the day, players have more power than the manager. Both board and fans.
I hope Thiago Motta come, at least I think it will be better than Ten Hag play mode.
Bet we could get Ralf back 😂 Ten Hag needs to go back to the Dutch league
Didnt look good for ETH last night, I hear people are now blaming Ineos for ETH performances. Yes lets blame the new owner who got their hands tied until Omar Berrada actually starts working. Also they doing what they can do get Ashworth who would be 2nd in command and could be the one to do something. I do not get that Logic that a different channel has.
Rather finish bottom half and get beat by Coventry if it results in baldy getting sacked. He is hopeless.
All this the players aren't good enough is only relevant against the real top teams,
Probably 90% of Bournemouth's players aren't good enough (in a sense of they wouldn't get into the top teams squads) Same for Brentford same for Fulham but all of them have a manager who can coordinate a play to completely out play and baffle ETH because he his clueless.
So say the players are not good enough if you want but you also have to include the manager in with that also and stop being blind and apologetic to the real problem our goal gets peppered with shots near enough every game and the manager says he's not bothered about that aspect of the game. Honestly I just don't know what United games some people are watching
you are not in reality ETH is so far out of his depth United is eating him alive, he his in shark infested waters but doesn't have the brains to swim quickly to the shore, Neither do some fans.
you guys couldn’t call Rashford?
If he hadn’t trained then he shouldn’t have played so it’s on Ten Hag Dalot and Rashford where the worst two players on that pitch yesterday
It has to be the end . !
I wander if Garnacho will be dropped and sent away like Sancho.
Lets sack another manager!!
What could possibly go wrong 😂
To many ego's
Get rid of rashford
Get rid of maguire
Get rid of varane
Get rid of casamiro
Get rid of Ericsson
Get new blood, people that wanna fight then see where we are
Faith
if you just listen to what he said. Does a player really have to take it personal? I didn't hear any direct criticism.
On manager@a time ETH
Why are we constantly being bombarded by shots by every team? Is it poor tactics from above or is it players not executing instructions correctly? I have always believed in ETH but we are opening the gates in every game, inviting attacks. I don’t have the answers…but our manager needs to!
And quality crosses and corners. We get less corners and virtually zero crosses.
Too many huge gaps in the formation. Low block defense and a midfield that are all pressing leads to a 40-50 yard gap for teams to exploit. Also noticed yesterday that communication between defenders was poor
Why are people surprised Garnacho was taken off? He was at fault for both of their goals. Only people with an agenda can't see that he deserved to be taken off.
He’s done completely delusional, his look is of a deadman walking
If ETH gets the sack, get Olé back, and sack all them players that refuses to captain the team during his reign. With the structure being built by Sir Jim, we need to give Olé another chance. I’d like to be proven wrong, and ETH can turn shit around
I think we all put too much on Willy K to be honest
I didn’t he played that badly - he had one big mistake which was as much down to footwear as positioning. For the last minute penalty, he stood his ground and Christie ran straight in to him. I’ve been impressed by Willie, I think he’s a fantastic prospect
@raymondmassie4898 Yeah exactly, I think we have a good one there
Sacking Ten Hag after the absolute shit show injury list he’s been battling against all season would make absolutely no sense. Klopp had a couple of injuries last season and Liverpool finished 5th….. and apparently they’re the greatest squad ever in history, we know because everyone has been trying to tell us for the last 6 years.
They had a system and identity though
They had a lot more than a couple and a finished midfield that they completely rebuilt and are now in a title race immediately
Ffs..would you take off your rose tinted glasses. United haven't even had the worst injuries list this season..3 other teams have worse injuries.
Pathetic excuse.
Brentford were missing their ENTIRE backline when they schooled us.
That midfield and front players haven't being affected by injuries for months...so you can't use that bullshit excuse their.
@@user-zr6ee6lb9m thank you. Good to know there's some united fans out there with brains. I can't get over how retarded united fans are being over klopp. He's completely unique.
If they get rid of EtH before getting rid of Marcus T Rashford this club is doomed. Bruno could go for the FFP too, seen enough of his wasteful game regardless of the effort he puts in.
Let's hope so. He's clueless.
100% the amount of shots on our goal is disgusting.
Jay trying to defend the players again and trying to put it all on the manager
The title of the video should be : Is this the end of Rashford career at United?
Players like him bring the sack
He is the poison that has seen off all the managers bar Moyes. Mourinho the only manager who had the balls to drop Trashford
Ten Hag judgement is the worst. He’s brought in a load of douches and continually play them in a starting eleven. Nothing is going to change until he’s gone