The Theotokos can appear to anyone. What counts is whether it’s beneficial or not. I was a Buddhist & I suspect that the Theotokos appeared in a dream I had in 2017. At the time it made no sense to me. I dreamt of this mysterious woman at a retreat who people in the dream said might have been Russian. I remember she had golden brown hair in a long single braid in back. I asked her if there was a man in her life & she said he was “lost in Siberia”, which can be similar to Minnesota where I live. Then I went to Siberia in my dream & saw what seemed like heaven across a river. While trying to get a better look I fell in the river & was swept away. I thought I would die of hypothermia but the water was surprisingly warm. It swept me by a tall white building with men in colored vests & hats like helmets outside. I yelled “save me!” & one reached out with a stick & pulled me out & led me in the building. I mentioned the woman & they said they all knew her & I could find her in Wisconsin which is where I was born. At the end of the dream I was driving to Wisconsin to find her & full of joy having realized that I was the man who had been lost in Siberia. Then I awoke & forgot about the dream. Two years later I abruptly & unexpectedly converted to Eastern Orthodoxy, then became a catechumen with ROCOR & was baptized in 2020. I had no previous connection to Orthodoxy or the Theotokos. Then I recollected the dream, which I recorded in a journal. Did the dream predict I would convert & be baptized with ROCOR? Were the men Orthodox clergy in mitres & vestements? More importantly was the dream beneficial to me as a Orthodox? It does seem to strengthen my conviction that my conversion was meant to be.
Indeed she can, and My view on this particular apparition in particular and the circumstances prior leading up to it is to compare Cortez and his Conquistadors to King Jehu and his soldiers as they moved against Jezebel and her vile cult. Jehu was raised in the tribal schism and never submitted to the superior authority of David’s Line. Cortez was raised in the Papal schism and never submitted to the superior authority of the Orthodox Church. But both men SO pleased God by destroying two of the most offensive demonic cults of all time, that they were given blessings in spite of their spiritual shortcomings. Jehu was blessed with at least a guaranteed if relatively short dynasty for several generations, Cortez and his successor was blessed by Our Lady. But unlike David’s line, which was promised to be eternal, Jehu’s was provisional on his children both keeping away from the blood cult and eventually submitting to David’s line. The eventually failed to do both, and his line ended. Similarly, Mexico had to keep the faith available to them until when given the chance, to submit to Orthodoxy. Instead, they Murdered Saint Peter the Aleut and his companions. I posit that this began to erode their blessings which were finally fully revoked with the murder of Emperor Maximilian. Mexico has had only misfortune since. At any rate, God’s provenance isn’t the capricious whimsy of “Karma”, as you ought to especially understand by now.
1. Basing your faith around and choosing which church to join or stay in over supposed miracles is very dangerous and a great way to have your faith shaken. A wicked generation seeks signs and wonders. 2. Isn't it funny that Marian apparitions never happened until after the schism? 3. Every one of these, Fatima included, had a convenient politcal message. Look into Jay Dyer's work on these topics, Fatima in particular.
Just to clarify--->the first time that the Theotokos appeared to (and, conversed with) someone here on earth....was....to Saint Gregory the Wonderworker; sometime between 200 AD and 300 AD?
And....as per what happened on the roof of a Coptic Orthodox Church in the Zeitoun district of Cairo (in the spring of 1968)....did the then-Patriarch of Alexandria (and/or any colleagues of his) make any public statements about what the then-Coptic Orthodox Patriarch Kyrillos VI (and colleagues) publicly declared about the Theotokos, herself, being the person who was on the roof of the Coptic Orthodox church (that was named after her)?
@@cjjrtoronto She appeared to him in a vision (allegedly), not a full blown apparition that was supposedly seen by several people, telling them HER will which happened to involve a timely political conflict.
@@OrthoLou I got an email with your response; vis-a-vis the Theotokos & Saint Gregory the Wonderworker. What, exactly, though, did the Theotokos say to this specific Saint Gregory?
Well explained. I guess our hope for the many that were seeking christ without the Orthodox church in the area, is that God meets them where they are at.
@@johnsambo9379no it’s not. I’ve been there myself and can tell you those monks live according to ancient tradition. They do not live in heresy that’s a fact.
@@OrthodoxEthosdear father, what is the difference? Id like to venerate this icon but I do not want to venerate the wrong version. I tried to look it up but could not find. Forgive me 🙇🏻☦️
Beautiful thumbnail of Our Lady Of Guadalupe (Virgin Mary) who converted them to the Catholic Christian Church under the Pope. I will side with Mary on the True Church. God Bless.
In 1531 the only thing that separated the Roman Catholic Church in the Orthodox Church was the Filioque. Father is contradicting himself. The icon of Our Lady of Guadalupe survived a bomb, it has cried tears, it is not the work of human hands.
@@pollypeguinwell miracles can be delusion or of the devil, so it does not prove to be from God, muhamad had visions ( maybe from the devil) but we do not believe he was a true prophet, maybe I am wrong 🤔
@@pollypeguin Where is the contradiction? By 1531 the separation was already 500 years old. The filioque is a dogmatic error, a heresy, as judged by such great Saints as St. Photios the Great and St. Gregory Palamas, but also the EIGHTH OECUMENICAL COUNCIL, at which the Pope (John VIII) was present and agreed. The Pope(s) in the 11th century AND FOREVER THEREAFTER rejected this council, the Councils before (which rejected any addition to the Creed), and the Symbol of Faith of the Church, thus separating themselves and all who followed them from the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. When you say “the only thing that separated the RCC from The Church was the Filioque” you are saying the only thing that separated RCC from The CHurch is THE FAITH, i.e. the Faith which had been waked away from on account of the heresy which had been introduced.
@@Somerandomguy-b9z Miracles ALONE or mainly are not taken as witnesses to Truth. Yes, absolutely, we do not trust miracles apart from The Faith Once Delivered.
He obviously can't. And many posters here take the easy way out like any hick "Jesus rode a dinosaur" Tee Vee Protestant minister and just say it was the devil fooling those wayward Catholics.
The approved apparitions of the Catholic Church (especially Guadalupe, Lourdes, and Fatima) are undeniable Father. I was going to convert to the Orthodox Church until I realized these apparitions are actually true and Our Lady is playing an important role in these times. In my experience, the west accepts the east, but the east does not accept the west. I know Orthodox has an approved latin rite (very hard to find), but the Orthodox Church is way more fragmented than the Universal Catholic Church with our 23+ rites untied under the First See of Rome. I met a Greek Orthodox said he was denied communion at a ROCUR church because he doesn’t submit to Russia & Third Rome. I guess he’s stuck under the rule of first Rome being under the Patriarch of the fallen Constantinople. Oh Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee! By thy holy and immaculate conception, oh Mary, deliver us from evil.
I am a recent revert to catholicism from atheism. Our lady of Guadalupe was instrumental in bringing me closer to Christ. Thats just my anecdotal experience tho, it is a very powerful image Whether you believe it or not, for Christians the message of our lady of Guadalupe regarding the sacrifice of the unborn is true in a sense it asks all of us to value life which reflects the image perfectly as it depicts our lady as being pregnant with our Lord.
As a Catholic who is open to the opinions of Orthodox Christian teachings and those who follow it, what in your opinion or the opinion of any other follower of Orthodox Christianity be to become one unified body once again? What conditions have to be met, where could compromises be reached, how do we reintegrate, what is the timeline for this etc.? And I suppose a follow up would be, does this mean because of that thousand year separation, Catholics have been dying and going to hell for a thousand years or are there certain Catholics that carry the responsibility?
Thank you very much Fr Peter and OE team for this video, as an Orthodox Christian from México who was a Catholic, I can - in a humble way - confirm what you said in this video, I pray for all sincere catholics from México to be able to find the True Faith and the True Faith.. now that I'm able to participate in the Divine Liturgy and to partake of the Body of Our Lord and Savior I can't be more grateful to Our Living God 🙏
@ in your dreams. All of the churches are in communion w each other and actually have apostolic succession where the EO is be very muddy. Your priests don’t even trust each other to confess their sins to each other instead they go over to the Catholic Church under “special privileges” which I’ve seen with my own two eyes. The jigs up, the internet will explode the realities of who’s in schism and who didn’t. Peter Heers is fumbling in this video and it’s crystal clear that even he isn’t quite sure what to say about the tru apparition of the virgen de Guadalupe which by the way orthodox churches do venerate in Mexico for you information. If you actually look into your own arguments, you’re gunna debunk yourself. Lmao Keep it up watch what’s gunna happen if you actually dare to study your own claims.
@@lorenzocardenas5071 I doubt your claims. Anyway, the Jubilee year for 2025 is pro L G B T. Your Pope made it so, sadly. That's enough for me to say no.
The main differences between Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism. the main things which keep our religions separate are: Papal Supremacy, Papal Infallibility, The Filioque, Absolute Divine Simplicity, Created Grace Doctrine, natural theology, scholasticism, Original sin, sacred heart doctrine, Immaculate conception, Purgatory, Merits/Indulgences, PSA - Penal Substitutionary Atonement, evolution of Dogma,imaginative prayer, "beatific vision" etc Then the Forced Celibacy of Priests, The use of Unleavened Bread in the Eucharist, The Adoption and change of the Christian calendar, The use of Renaissance statues, Pews, Child Communion, improper non immersion baptism, Cardinals, and differences in liturgical practices (Alter tables, Iconostasis, priest positioning etc) all of those things, we say the Western Church adopted and innovated and became heretical when they adopted these things. And we say that in the early church NONE of these things existed, there is no evidence of these things. No examples of Papal Infallibility, No examples of merits/indulgences, and no examples of unleavened wafer bread, and such. In fact in the west, In Rome. It looked a lot similar to how we Orthodox exist today. Our priests can get married, we use Icons and not statues, we use the old calendar etc Orthodoxy Vs Roman Catholicism: Energy Essence Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity Ancestral Sin vs Original Sin Non Filioque Trinity vs Filioque Trinity Patriarchy vs Papacy Revealed Theology vs Natural Theology Hesychasm Vs Scholasticism Theosis vs Sanctification Married Priest vs Celibate Priests Infant Communion Vs Non Infant Communion Iconography vs Statues Full Immersion Baptism vs Sprinkle Baptism One Baptism vs Confirmation Baptism Leavened Communion Bread vs Unleavened Communion bread Julian Calendar vs Pope Gregory's Calendar We are not the same Religion, we do not have the same faith, and anyone who looks into either religions genuinely will see how different we are..
People should also look into: The pornocracy, the 3 popes, the Frankish papacy, the French papacy, the cadaver synod, The donation of pepin, the Donation of Constantine Forgery, the Pseudo symmachian forgeries, the 4th crusade, the council of Melfi Enslavement of Clerical children.... Interesting things to Google, to reveal the truth about Roman Catholicism.
To be fair, many of those things are not dogmas in either church. I am a former RC. GOARCH accepts my 'sprinkle' baptism as would ROCOR when I inquired there. Absolute Divine Simplicity is also not a Catholic doctrine, it's a theory. The Essence-Energy Distinction is accepter in the RCC. Rome does have married priests even in the Latin Rite. They are a minority but they exist because celibacy is a discipline not a doctrine. Now I agree we have A LOT to work out before we could consider reunification but for sake for what I know to be true, I have to speak up
People should also look into The pornocracy, the Frankish papacy, the cadaver synod, the 3 popes, the French papacy, the donation of Constantine Forgery, the pseudo symmachian forgeries, the council of melfi enslavement of Clerical children, the donation of pepin, the 4th crusade.
People should also Google and look into: The pornocracy, the Frankish papacy, the cadaver synod, the 3 popes, the Avignon papacy, the donation of Constantine Forgery, the pseudo symmachian forgeries, the pseudo Isidorian Decretals, the liber potificalis forgeries, the donation of pepin, the 4th crusade, the council of Melfi Enslavement of Clerical children.
True but your sprinkle is only accepted because of economia which is a different matter and the grace from Orthodox chrismation was needed @@revelation20232
I'd recommend pointing out how only catholics or catholic sympathizers have been given access to study and affirm the miraculous nature of these things Father.
That is simply not true. Independent medical authorities have documented the miracles at Lourdes, for example. And the Fatima miracle was not just witnessed by non-Catholics, but by atheists and even sailors of the Royal Navy at sea who did not know what was causing the atmospheric disturbances they saw.
@ThePatristicPilgrim Name all the sympathisers yourself. What evidence have you provided for your own declarations that all those researchers were "sympathisers"?
L'Orthodoxie par définition est catholique, c'est-à-dire universelle dans le sens premier de ce mot. Tous les peuples de la Terre sont invités à entrer dans l'unique Église du Christ sur terre : une, sainte catholique et apostolique conformément au Credo de Nicée-Constantinople de nos pères.
@@haceneouerdane6840 lolz. Tu es Pierre et sur cette Pierre je fonderai mon église. Il est où Pierre chez les Orthodoxes? Ils d'excommunient entre eux tout le temps et encore récemment...
I'm skeptical of the preparation angle just because I've heard from the Mexico mission that the pagans have an easier time converting to Orthodoxy than the Roman Catholic converts. But I don't have personal connection or experience with that mission so maybe some others can speak to that more.
Why do we need icons from heretical/non Orthodox groups? We don't accept their apparitions. We don't share the same theology, and icons teach theology.
@TomSeliman99 not to the Orthodox. Rome lost Apostolic Succession when they departed from the correct Faith. This doesn't mean we hate anyone but we have to stand up for the Faith.
OLG precedes V2 and V2 and the Council of Trent. So at that time the only difference between the Orthodox Church and the RCC was the Filioque, stop it. Not that it wasn’t important. So the natives of Mexico converted to the church.
The only difference … was … heresy. This is true. And yet there was much, much more: the impact and effects of this heresy. The delusions, errors or excesses of: Joachim of Fiore Francis of Assisi Thomas Aquinas The departure from the order and understanding of the Holy Mysteries The departure from the apostolic and Orthodox understanding and practice of Holy Baptism Innovations in the Divine Liturgy And more. . .
@OrthodoxEthos see, this is why people genuinely hate the Orthodox Church. Y’all can’t appreciate a miracle that happened in a church that slightly deviates from yours. Did the Orthodox Church minister to Mexico? No. God will work though whatever means He chooses, and often His chosen path is contrary to what you pharisaically limit Him to. God is bigger than your sect.
As a Catholic inquiring into Orthodoxy and very seriously considering converting, its conversations and positions like this that trouble me. I’ve done countless hours of research on the first ecumenical councils, church fathers etc. You’re telling me that these “millions of people” who confessed that Jesus Christ is Lord, Son of God, King of Kings, because of this apparition, are not a part of the body of Christ? Because they’re not orthodox? Our loving God does not consider them a part of the body because they haven’t read 2000 years of church history? From what I’m observing, mostly from internet orthodoxy, is that you guys have become like the Pharisees. I’ve seen orthodox mock the Guadalupe apparition by photoshopping it into a bowl of guacamole and writing “look papists, our lady of guacamole”. Very charitable very patristic! Everyone with eyes knows that is the Theotokos and for these Pharisee orthodox to MOCK her because it didn’t come out of the Orthodox Church is abhorrent. Idk…the truth and the body is somewhere within or between the Catholic Church and Orthodoxy. But hey, what do I know…
Gal 1:8-9: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that all of you have received, let him be accursed."
@@returnfreedom "Likewise you spiritual sons, submit yourselves to your priests. And all of you clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble." 1 Peter 5,5
“A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.” Revelation 12:1-2 NIV
I’m Mexican and a convert. My spiritual father essentially echoed what Fr. Peter said. The Theotokos doesn’t affirm error so most likely didn’t participated in converting anyone to a dead branch/schismatic church. It’s would be nice to speculate Catholicism played a role in prepping Mexicans for Orthodoxy but we have no idea.
@@BinBakuti I grew up with it because i was catholic. As much as I’d like for it to be true, from an Orthodox perspective it’s hard to give it credibility.
You will not find any saint or church proclamation that holds to this opinion. Even if we have not “endorsed” any in particular that wouldn’t be a rejection of their possibility.
John 4: 21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Our Lady of Guadalupe actually completely destroys Christianity. Roman Catholics miss this because they chase Marian apparitions instead of testing the spirits to see if something is false. Mary appearing as indigenous is a major red flag because after her repose and burial her body was taken to heaven. She is in heaven as body and spirit instead of spirit only like every other human. If she appears as anything other than of Jewish descent it's false. If Mary isn't Jewish descent, the Old Testament prophecies of Christ aren't fulfilled. Thus making Christ not the messiah. Thus making Christ not God. If the theology surrounding Mary is wrong, it impacts theology around Christ. For two millennias we are constantly warned about trusting miracles. It's tragic that Roman Catholicism so eagerly toss nepsis aside for the sake of feel good miracles.
Okay what’s the big issue here? What heresy or evil came of that apparition? She told the Mexicans to convert and worship Jesus, and they did. That is a good thing. Demons would not utter the name of Jesus nor would they say to convert. If your problem is “they weren’t Orthodox,” well were they supposed to wait for Orthodoxy to reach them? Orthodoxy only just arrived in the New World. Catholicism was the only option.
False, the Catholic Church is very cautious about approving miracles. The investigations are arduous, and scientifically documented. During Guadalupe, The Catholic clergy was very disheartened by not being able to convert the indigenous population. Mother Mary appeared and boom! The priests could hardly handle all the baptisms. Just like Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene as a gardener and later as a walking stranger to his disciples in the road to Emmaus. Mother Mary has been granted and given the mission to convert toward Christ different people by appearing in a way familiar to them. God used her to bring Christ to the whole world, not just to the Jews.. And she was always present in the major events of our Lord's evangelization. The fruits of Guadalupe are a Christ loving Mexico. A Catholic Mexico instead of the bloody Aztec and Mayan religions.
If it was for the orthodox very few would have converted. This schismatic branch has had absolutely as many significant apostolic efforts that had led many to be converted to Christ the King to the level of the Holy Catholic Church. Now I see the Orthodox church is not the correct path to follow; it is a schismatic and almost Quietist religion. I see it clearly now with the statements made on this video by this schismatic priest. For this realization, I thank my Lady of Guadalupe. ¡¡¡Viva Cristo Rey y la Virgen de Guadalupe!!!!
Millions have converted to Orthodoxy, and if it is not the correct Church why does Catholicism say that it has everything for its followers to be saved? Are you disagreeing with your own church?
@bluebusstop5608 millions have converted??? You are placing the evangelization efforts of the Orthodox Church on the same level as those of the Catholic Church. However, it is widely known that the Catholic Church has been the driving force behind evangelizing most of the modern world. The Orthodox Church, due to its ethnic and national divisions, reflected in its many patriarchs and its autocephalous structure, has struggled to coordinate significant and unified efforts to evangelize as effectively or as extensively as the Catholic Church. These divisions have hindered its ability to achieve the same scale of outreach, both historically and in recent times. That's why the Orthodox strike me as if they take a very Quietist stand on their modus operandi to evangelizing the nations and being fishers of men. Not to mention their fallacious theological schismatic beliefs and differences with Catholic theology and doctrine, which encompass the real Christian orthodoxy. As Christians who believe in life after death, the souls converted by the Catholic Church throughout history still matter, and their salvation is part of the Church's legacy. This is not limited to modern conversions; history and tradition play a crucial role. Your perspective appears overly focused on the present and lacks the intellectual honesty or diligence to appreciate this broader context. Anyone with even a basic understanding of Catholic versus Orthodox apologetics should be aware of these distinctions. I’m not here to give you a full lesson on the apologetics between these two positions-positions in which the Orthodox Church remains schismatic and theologically incorrect. If you’re too intellectually lazy or unprepared to engage with this topic properly, I suggest you start by seeking out reading material or videos that delve into the apologetics of Catholic and Orthodox theologies. Then, form an informed opinion before making overly simplistic and ignorant comments. But I’m not here to do the research for you, nor am I going to explain it all, so take some responsibility for your own understanding.
Brother you're quite right, I was tempted to become Orthodox as well but the Catholic Church is so much of a fuller and historically conscious experience of Christianity. This priest is out of bounds, Our Lady pray for him.
@@bluebusstop5608 Millions have converted??? You are placing the evangelization efforts of the Orthodox Church on the same level as those of the Catholic Church. However, it is widely known that the Catholic Church has been the driving force behind evangelizing most of the modern world. The Orthodox Church, due to its ethnic and national divisions, reflected in its many patriarchs and its autocephalous structure, has struggled to coordinate significant and unified efforts to evangelize as effectively or as extensively as the Catholic Church. These divisions have hindered its ability to achieve the same scale of outreach, both historically and in recent times. As Christians who believe in life after death, the souls converted by the Catholic Church throughout history still matter, and their salvation is part of the Church's legacy. This is not limited to modern conversions; history and tradition play a crucial role. Your perspective appears overly focused on the present and lacks the intellectual honesty or diligence to appreciate this broader context. Anyone with even a basic understanding of Catholic versus Orthodox apologetics should be aware of these distinctions. I’m not here to give you a full lesson on the apologetics between these two positions-positions in which the Orthodox Church remains schismatic and theologically incorrect. If you’re too intellectually lazy or unprepared to engage with this topic properly, I suggest you start by seeking out reading material or videos that delve into the apologetics of Catholic and Orthodox theologies. Then, form an informed opinion before making overly simplistic and ignorant comments. But I’m not here to do the research for you, nor am I going to explain it all, so take some responsibility for your own darned research.
The RCC persecuted the Orthodox for centuries to prevent evangelization. But now they can't anymore mostly, so we are evangelizing. Converting by the ⚔ as the RCC did even last century is not evangelization.
I think the question is, why are you appearing again, after I hit dislike on your video regarding the Coptic church the other week? 😅 RUclips “dislike and don’t show me this guy again” feature is not working! 😂. Now, the bigger question is; why would anyone ask you anything? Is it because of the books and icons behind you? You are not protecting the Orthodox faith, we don’t need you. What Heavens had decided to show the people of Our Lady of Guadalupe, is perfect for their hearts, and their understanding. Christ will accept them this way. They have no clue about your PhD, the Patristics, the rejections, the positions and all your high castle speech. Back to the Coptic church, which happens to be the most pristine Orthodox faith in the world today, due to the fact that it has not been contaminated with the western theology and all the differences. The Coptic church had the most beautiful apparitions of the Panagia in modern times, don’t believe me? Look up our Lady of Zayton. Look up the apparitions of Papadouplos also in Cairo. If Christ and the Virgin Mary decided to show this level of glory to people who are according to the Eastern Orthodox Church are not in communion, does that ring a bell in your thick heart at all?? Let me give it to you straight, I am Eastern Orthodox, who was born in Egypt and been a Copt all my life, and now joined the Eastern Orthodox faith, not because a lack of virtue or theology in the Coptic church, but rather because of falling in love with a new mother, which is the Eastern Orthodox Church. I have witnessed miracles and gifts from heavens all my life, and yet a man like you is discounting it. Wrap up your circus, and repent, Father what’s your name. And please do something about not appearing on my feed! You can’t help it, you say?? Of course, that’s also because you lack a sense of humor!!!!
No one has to cater to you. The more you comment the more RUclips will show you things. It's called an algorithm. "Don't recommend channel" works. Try it over and over. I hope it works for you. So step 1 is to stop commenting to fix the algorithm.
Dear Father, due to the Great Schism of 1054and the 0:11 Protestant revolution of the 16th century, the whole world continues to be confused about the body of Christ as the Church for the head, Christ has been Divorced from the body, Christ!
I think you could argue some Marian apparitions like this soften catholics and help keep them from making the same mistakes the Jesuits did in making martyrs as many even in leaders of the catholic church are moved more by politics before christ. Which can lead more towards two tiered justice systems without said apparitions, making it still a act of God's mercy either way. But neither party should compulse each other on the matter if they want to maintain integrity of true relationship.
@@EasternChristian1988 not really. If you're not orthodox or in favor of their leadership why are you even here if you claim to have the humility to say this? 🤷 Anyone can make up silly arguments out of context like that. It's quite childish. Edifying and recognizing them as your brothers even if you're not orthodox would be a sign of good spiritual growth, however.
@ I am what some Orthodox would call a "Uniate". I prefer the term Orthodox in communion with Rome. I have nothing but love for both Rome and the Eastern Orthodox Churches. But for someone to take shots at Catholic leadership as though it were always or majorly focused on worldly power and politics (while conveniently ignoring Orthodox hierarchies similar history) is disingenuous. There is PLENTY that can be said to criticize Rome, as there can of the Orthodox and us Eastern Catholics and anyone else. Let's just stick to objective facts in our critique, rather than blanket generalizations that fall short and sound hypocritical.
Of course he is. That’s all he does. He doesn’t even really teach what the Orthodox Church even believes. Priests have told me to ignore this guy he’s a big issue for more converts.
@@lorenzocardenas5071The Priests who told you that, if they actually did, are probably ecumenist or do not know the Faith and Saints. But they're probably RC priests so that would explain it. He only teaches what the Saints and faithful Priests do now.
Fr. Peter of course has no choice but to walk a fine line, while at the same time towing the party line. But do you want saints and Church Fathers? How about St. Gregory the Theologian? This is what he wrote in a letter in 382, the year after he attended the 2nd Ecumenical Council in Constantinople: "For my part, if I am to write the truth, my inclination is to avoid all assemblies of bishops, because I have never seen any Council come to a good end, nor turn out to be a solution of evils. On the contrary, it usually increases them. You always find there love of contention and love of power (I hope you will not think me a bore, for writing like this), which beggar description; and, while sitting in judgment on others, a man might well be convicted of ill-doing himself long before he should put down the ill-doings of his opponents. So I retired into myself; and came to the conclusion that the only security for one's soul lies in keeping quiet." St. Gregory did not live to see the Schisms among the Apostolic Sees, wherein the Church Fathers, who in their hubris imagined they could read the Mind of God, and be privy to the perfect dogmas and doctrines that exist ONLY therein, allowed the Body of Christ to be dismembered one limb at a time. Don't worry, the INTACT Body of Christ does still exist. It's found in the collection of every single solitary Christian the whole world over who, without guile or pretense, is truly seeking His Will in their lives in good faith, penitence, love and humility! This Body cuts across all those chopped-up Body parts. Such an idea will perhaps cause pearl-clutching and shouts of "Heresy!" among those who are SURE it's THEIR church that's God's favorite, and have doubts that others are truly saved like they know THEY are! GROW UP, CHRISTENDOM. If you COULD read the Mind of the Creator of the Cosmos and all its Laws, it would be so much for your small minds it would literally make your heads explode. If the Church Fathers had been truly wise and Spirit-filled at those Councils, this idea would have dawned on them. But it turns out they were sinful, flawed human beings just like we are. Get down on your knees and beg forgiveness from the Lord for allowing His Body to be chopped up, and for imagining that you could out-think Him. Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on all us sinners.
“… the Church Fathers, who in THEIR HUBRIS imagined they could read the Mind of God….” ????? Lord have mercy. This is quite erroneous and mistaken, or worse, impious. You are an agnostic and akin to a Barlaamite, as he said something similar, but your version is worse.
@@OrthodoxEthos "Worse than a Barlaarmite!" I'll be sure to have that engraved on my tombstone. Just kidding, people at my level of poverty don't get tombstones, like for example, a salaried priest, who's very wise and respected in the eyes of men would. But "agnostic"? I KNOW that my Redeemer liveth. He proved it to me Himself 2 years ago when, after many months of grief, loneliness, starvation and dehumanizing humiliations He had mercy on me when no one else would, and drew me to Himself! He put the New Man on me personally right there when I was alone in my filthy hovel. I felt deep in my soul that night that I had been allowed to see and touch the wounds of Christ myself. It has meant also the gift of passive prayer, whereby with the Lord, saints and angels feeling so present, I know I will never feel lonely again, even though I'm just as solitary as I ever was. Since then, out of gratitude for His great mercy and gifts to me, I have been trying to give more of myself to Him every day. So no, you didn't have me pegged there. I may be crazy, but I'm no agnostic. Bless the LORD, O my soul, and all that is within me bless His holy name!
With this kind of thinking, you’d have to go back and consider Arianism, Gnosticism, and Nestorianism. Do you have the discernment to make sense of it all?
@@jcald111 Do you think about my kind of thinking because your faith is more a thinky one, and not so much a do-y one? Have a weak display of faith day after day and nobody panics because it's all part of the plan, but put a filioque into your Creed and everyone loses their minds! That's fine, I'll be your Joker. It's working, St. Paul! I am seen as foolish by practically everyone! They must all be right! So we die, and at the pearly gates St. Peter (or Andrew, or Mark, or Thomas...) is there to see if we made it in, and does he ask, "Let's see, how well did you imitate our Lord Jesus Christ throughout your life?" or is it, "First things first! Where do you come down on CHALCEDON?" Isn't this SAD? We supposed human beings, and children of God, created in His image, will spend hours and hours MISSING THE POINT by having that old debate about how many angels can fit on a pinhead, when instead we could be using that time to behave like the EARTH ANGELS the Lord created us to be?
My priest says the Orthodox has no opinion on it, so there's no need to be skeptical nor do you need to defend the belief on it. That being said, it's perfectly fine to have virgen de Guadalupe pictures/candles/etc
@buzzard777 Eastern orthodox do not have a dogmatic/theological opinion on the Virgen de Guadalupe. Do we believe the apparition happened, we don't know and we can't say yes or no. Do we venerate the Virgen de Guadalupe? No. It's simple.
@@ClooneyThunder The Roman Church was anathemized in 1054 . Today, they are not a Church, they are also not catholic as they took this name after their fall. They are heretical papists and the One Church has NO connection with them.
@@ClooneyThunder of course, superficially there is nothing wrong about the Virgen of Guadalupe image. That’s not to say an orthodox Christian ought to embrace it. I know a very conservative orthodox monastery in the United States that has a virgin of Guadalupe type icon in their temple. But they don’t try to defend it as being orthodox. It’s simply something they have a personal love for.
I think there's a lot of pride still with our orthodox brothers, there's no way to deny fatima, guadalupe, la sallete we should unite again as the one and only true church of our lord Jesus Christ, thats the main goal, God blesses both churches with wonderful miracles and saints, we need to put ego aside and get together again.
There's... Plenty of ways to deny these lol. Easy - they were political psy-ops. Fatima was to spread anti-bolshevik rhetoric in that area. Every one of these apparitions always just so happens to have a message that was politically convenient to the authorities of wherever it took place. Ask yourself this - why were there never Marian apparitions until after the schism..?
The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church is the Body of Christ and cannot be created or reunited, as it cannot be divided. The ecclesiology implicit in your statement is heretical and an expression of the heresy of ecumenism.
La Salette you should be ashamed to believe that. Because Christ is our Savior and Mary isn't the One holding his hand from destroying the World. You are taking our Lord as a terrorist and the "Lady" as the Savior. If Jesus wanted to punish the earth I don't think Mary would retain him but would gladly agree.
La Salette you shouldn't believe that because Christ is our Savior and Mary isn't the One holding his hand from destroying the World. You are taking our Lord as a terrorist and the Lady as the Savior. If Jesus wanted to punish the earth I don't think Mary would retain him but would gladly agree, glad of God holy judgment.
“A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.” Revelation 12:1-2 NIV
Jello and cultic is what I am hearing in this answer. Jello is in that there is no opinion regarding apparition. This means it neutral no right or wrong which means no discernment in it? EO doesn't care? Well is that the same across the board with other apparitions? Is the EO mystical enough that they choose not to have an opinion on this and other apparitions? 'Cutlic' in that a Person cannot be called a believer in Jesus unless they are attached to the Eastern Orthodox church. Church of Christ says t his same thing. JWs, Mormons s same so you must be attached to the organization to be a Christian? Your personal faith in Jesus isn't enough or disquailfies you from this? I find this weirdly cultic and controlling and the mysticism of the EO is seducing in this as well.
Here is another cope video because the essential miracles are centered on the Catholic Church. Btw wr are not as uncharitable as you are and do consider that the Theotokos still cares and tries to save your schismatic heart.
hmmm...if the Lord had to wait for the Orthodox Christians to arrive in a missionary field before giving the potential converts a significant sign...think about that. We are simply not there, because of the emphasis on the ethnos, the preservation of particular cultures, rather than spreading the Gospel message to all nations. With some significant exceptions, of course.
The reality is that for thousands of years in Rome has been the church and the line continues. That is rare. Today, on the internet many talking heads take turns to undermine and find fault with each other. Is there any purpose to it? There is no respect understanding analysis or convergence. Better if people just keep to themselves and question why they would join in.
@rideforever The Saints say otherwise. We should care about what our Church says, not some bishops and priests who have fallen by the wayside. Our God is a jealous God and no need to pervert the Faith. This is about our salvation.
"In the West, to be sure, the grace of God was lost many centuries ago. Roman Catholics and Protestants today have not tasted of God's grace, and so it is not surprising that they should be unable to discern its demonic counterfeit." Saint Seraphim Rose, Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future, 1979 printing, page 225.
We actually see the schism being undone gradually as followers of the Pope continue to convert to the Orthodox Church after coming to recognize in the Orthodox Church the Faith that was once and for all delivered to the saints.
Dear Father, due to the Great Schism of 1054and the 0:11 Protestant revolution of the 16th century, the whole world continues to be confused about the body of Christ as the Church for the head, Christ has been Divorced from the body, Christ!
The Theotokos can appear to anyone. What counts is whether it’s beneficial or not. I was a Buddhist & I suspect that the Theotokos appeared in a dream I had in 2017. At the time it made no sense to me. I dreamt of this mysterious woman at a retreat who people in the dream said might have been Russian. I remember she had golden brown hair in a long single braid in back. I asked her if there was a man in her life & she said he was “lost in Siberia”, which can be similar to Minnesota where I live. Then I went to Siberia in my dream & saw what seemed like heaven across a river. While trying to get a better look I fell in the river & was swept away. I thought I would die of hypothermia but the water was surprisingly warm. It swept me by a tall white building with men in colored vests & hats like helmets outside. I yelled “save me!” & one reached out with a stick & pulled me out & led me in the building. I mentioned the woman & they said they all knew her & I could find her in Wisconsin which is where I was born. At the end of the dream I was driving to Wisconsin to find her & full of joy having realized that I was the man who had been lost in Siberia. Then I awoke & forgot about the dream. Two years later I abruptly & unexpectedly converted to Eastern Orthodoxy, then became a catechumen with ROCOR & was baptized in 2020. I had no previous connection to Orthodoxy or the Theotokos. Then I recollected the dream, which I recorded in a journal. Did the dream predict I would convert & be baptized with ROCOR? Were the men Orthodox clergy in mitres & vestements? More importantly was the dream beneficial to me as a Orthodox? It does seem to strengthen my conviction that my conversion was meant to be.
Indeed she can, and My view on this particular apparition in particular and the circumstances prior leading up to it is to compare Cortez and his Conquistadors to King Jehu and his soldiers as they moved against Jezebel and her vile cult.
Jehu was raised in the tribal schism and never submitted to the superior authority of David’s Line.
Cortez was raised in the Papal schism and never submitted to the superior authority of the Orthodox Church.
But both men SO pleased God by destroying two of the most offensive demonic cults of all time, that they were given blessings in spite of their spiritual shortcomings.
Jehu was blessed with at least a guaranteed if relatively short dynasty for several generations, Cortez and his successor was blessed by Our Lady.
But unlike David’s line, which was promised to be eternal, Jehu’s was provisional on his children both keeping away from the blood cult and eventually submitting to David’s line. The eventually failed to do both, and his line ended.
Similarly, Mexico had to keep the faith available to them until when given the chance, to submit to Orthodoxy.
Instead, they Murdered Saint Peter the Aleut and his companions.
I posit that this began to erode their blessings which were finally fully revoked with the murder of Emperor Maximilian.
Mexico has had only misfortune since.
At any rate, God’s provenance isn’t the capricious whimsy of “Karma”, as you ought to especially understand by now.
Before your dream and prior to orthodoxy , how was your relationship with God and your daily walk in holiness ?
It was probably a female Russian Orthodox saint. There are many. Look for one with the same braid you found. She could be a patron of yours.
1. Basing your faith around and choosing which church to join or stay in over supposed miracles is very dangerous and a great way to have your faith shaken. A wicked generation seeks signs and wonders.
2. Isn't it funny that Marian apparitions never happened until after the schism?
3. Every one of these, Fatima included, had a convenient politcal message.
Look into Jay Dyer's work on these topics, Fatima in particular.
Just to clarify--->the first time that the Theotokos appeared to (and, conversed with) someone here on earth....was....to Saint Gregory the Wonderworker; sometime between 200 AD and 300 AD?
And....as per what happened on the roof of a Coptic Orthodox Church in the Zeitoun district of Cairo (in the spring of 1968)....did the then-Patriarch of Alexandria (and/or any colleagues of his) make any public statements about what the then-Coptic Orthodox Patriarch Kyrillos VI (and colleagues) publicly declared about the Theotokos, herself, being the person who was on the roof of the Coptic Orthodox church (that was named after her)?
@@cjjrtoronto She appeared to him in a vision (allegedly), not a full blown apparition that was supposedly seen by several people, telling them HER will which happened to involve a timely political conflict.
Why are people liking his comment and ignoring my response? A private revelation in a vision is not the same as a full on apparition....
@@OrthoLou I got an email with your response; vis-a-vis the Theotokos & Saint Gregory the Wonderworker. What, exactly, though, did the Theotokos say to this specific Saint Gregory?
Well explained. I guess our hope for the many that were seeking christ without the Orthodox church in the area, is that God meets them where they are at.
The Monastery of The Holy Archangel Michael (OCA) in New Mexico has images of the Lady of Guadalupe on display within its walls.
Heresy.
@@johnsambo9379no it is not
IS it the Papal version or the Orthodox icon painted without all of the additions?
There is a difference.
@@johnsambo9379no it’s not. I’ve been there myself and can tell you those monks live according to ancient tradition. They do not live in heresy that’s a fact.
@@OrthodoxEthosdear father, what is the difference? Id like to venerate this icon but I do not want to venerate the wrong version. I tried to look it up but could not find. Forgive me 🙇🏻☦️
Beautiful thumbnail of Our Lady Of Guadalupe (Virgin Mary) who converted them to the Catholic Christian Church under the Pope. I will side with Mary on the True Church. God Bless.
We have the eastern Catholic Church as well so yes you are correct
Roman "catholicism" / papism is a heresy, since 1054. It's not even something new..why everyone is so " surprised"..
I was looking into this subject yesterday. Perfect timing. Thank you Fr
In 1531 the only thing that separated the Roman Catholic Church in the Orthodox Church was the Filioque. Father is contradicting himself. The icon of Our Lady of Guadalupe survived a bomb, it has cried tears, it is not the work of human hands.
@@pollypeguinwell miracles can be delusion or of the devil, so it does not prove to be from God, muhamad had visions ( maybe from the devil) but we do not believe he was a true prophet, maybe I am wrong 🤔
@@pollypeguin Where is the contradiction? By 1531 the separation was already 500 years old. The filioque is a dogmatic error, a heresy, as judged by such great Saints as St. Photios the Great and St. Gregory Palamas, but also the EIGHTH OECUMENICAL COUNCIL, at which the Pope (John VIII) was present and agreed. The Pope(s) in the 11th century AND FOREVER THEREAFTER rejected this council, the Councils before (which rejected any addition to the Creed), and the Symbol of Faith of the Church, thus separating themselves and all who followed them from the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
When you say “the only thing that separated the RCC from The Church was the Filioque” you are saying the only thing that separated RCC from The CHurch is THE FAITH, i.e. the Faith which had been waked away from on account of the heresy which had been introduced.
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Miracles ALONE or mainly are not taken as witnesses to Truth. Yes, absolutely, we do not trust miracles apart from The Faith Once Delivered.
Dear Father, please explain the Orthodox perspective on the 70 thousand eye witness of the Fatima miracle of the sun
He obviously can't. And many posters here take the easy way out like any hick "Jesus rode a dinosaur" Tee Vee Protestant minister and just say it was the devil fooling those wayward Catholics.
2 Corinthians 11:14
Sounds like a demonic light show to me. It didn’t really accomplish anything good. It was at best; entertainment for the onlookers.
Demons are in control of the aerial realm.
@@nickkerinklio8239 by demonic you mean, people are healed, people are converted and believed in God. Okay🤗
The approved apparitions of the Catholic Church (especially Guadalupe, Lourdes, and Fatima) are undeniable Father. I was going to convert to the Orthodox Church until I realized these apparitions are actually true and Our Lady is playing an important role in these times.
In my experience, the west accepts the east, but the east does not accept the west. I know Orthodox has an approved latin rite (very hard to find), but the Orthodox Church is way more fragmented than the Universal Catholic Church with our 23+ rites untied under the First See of Rome. I met a Greek Orthodox said he was denied communion at a ROCUR church because he doesn’t submit to Russia & Third Rome. I guess he’s stuck under the rule of first Rome being under the Patriarch of the fallen Constantinople.
Oh Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
By thy holy and immaculate conception, oh Mary, deliver us from evil.
Roman "catholicism" / papism is a heresy, since 1054. What part of " heresy" you don't understand?
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roman catholicism is HERESY. Since 1054.
@@bethanyann1060 roman catholicism is HERESY. Since 1054.
A person must be in the religious search not for the sake of religious experiences, which can deceive, but for the sake of truth.
- Fr Seraphim Rose
I am a recent revert to catholicism from atheism. Our lady of Guadalupe was instrumental in bringing me closer to Christ. Thats just my anecdotal experience tho, it is a very powerful image Whether you believe it or not, for Christians the message of our lady of Guadalupe regarding the sacrifice of the unborn is true in a sense it asks all of us to value life which reflects the image perfectly as it depicts our lady as being pregnant with our Lord.
Roman "catholicism" / papism is a heresy, since 1054. What part of " heresy" you don't understand?
Very well explained, thank you.
Greetings to my American orthodox brother father Peter from Serbia! ❤
He fails to see that she appeared and send people to Christ Church! The Catholicty is an attribute of the true church.
Roman "catholicism" / papism is a heresy, since 1054.
Good video on a sometimes touchy subject, Father!
As a Catholic who is open to the opinions of Orthodox Christian teachings and those who follow it, what in your opinion or the opinion of any other follower of Orthodox Christianity be to become one unified body once again?
What conditions have to be met, where could compromises be reached, how do we reintegrate, what is the timeline for this etc.? And I suppose a follow up would be, does this mean because of that thousand year separation, Catholics have been dying and going to hell for a thousand years or are there certain Catholics that carry the responsibility?
Thank you very much Fr Peter and OE team for this video, as an Orthodox Christian from México who was a Catholic, I can - in a humble way - confirm what you said in this video, I pray for all sincere catholics from México to be able to find the True Faith and the True Faith.. now that I'm able to participate in the Divine Liturgy and to partake of the Body of Our Lord and Savior I can't be more grateful to Our Living God 🙏
The Catholic Church is the real Orthodox Church. We pray you repent from your heresy.
@lorenzocardenas5071 Rome is the one in heresy. Pope Francis alone should ring alarms about papal supremacy and “infallibility” being falsehoods.
@ in your dreams. All of the churches are in communion w each other and actually have apostolic succession where the EO is be very muddy. Your priests don’t even trust each other to confess their sins to each other instead they go over to the Catholic Church under “special privileges” which I’ve seen with my own two eyes. The jigs up, the internet will explode the realities of who’s in schism and who didn’t. Peter Heers is fumbling in this video and it’s crystal clear that even he isn’t quite sure what to say about the tru apparition of the virgen de Guadalupe which by the way orthodox churches do venerate in Mexico for you information.
If you actually look into your own arguments, you’re gunna debunk yourself. Lmao
Keep it up watch what’s gunna happen if you actually dare to study your own claims.
@@lorenzocardenas5071 I doubt your claims. Anyway, the Jubilee year for 2025 is pro L G B T. Your Pope made it so, sadly. That's enough for me to say no.
The main differences between Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism. the main things which keep our religions separate are:
Papal Supremacy, Papal Infallibility, The Filioque, Absolute Divine Simplicity, Created Grace Doctrine, natural theology, scholasticism, Original sin, sacred heart doctrine, Immaculate conception, Purgatory, Merits/Indulgences, PSA - Penal Substitutionary Atonement, evolution of Dogma,imaginative prayer, "beatific vision" etc
Then the Forced Celibacy of Priests, The use of Unleavened Bread in the Eucharist, The Adoption and change of the Christian calendar, The use of Renaissance statues, Pews, Child Communion, improper non immersion baptism, Cardinals, and differences in liturgical practices (Alter tables, Iconostasis, priest positioning etc)
all of those things, we say the Western Church adopted and innovated and became heretical when they adopted these things.
And we say that in the early church NONE of these things existed, there is no evidence of these things.
No examples of Papal Infallibility, No examples of merits/indulgences, and no examples of unleavened wafer bread, and such.
In fact in the west, In Rome. It looked a lot similar to how we Orthodox exist today. Our priests can get married, we use Icons and not statues, we use the old calendar etc
Orthodoxy Vs Roman Catholicism:
Energy Essence Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity
Ancestral Sin vs Original Sin
Non Filioque Trinity vs Filioque Trinity
Patriarchy vs Papacy
Revealed Theology vs Natural Theology
Hesychasm Vs Scholasticism
Theosis vs Sanctification
Married Priest vs Celibate Priests
Infant Communion Vs Non Infant Communion
Iconography vs Statues
Full Immersion Baptism vs Sprinkle Baptism
One Baptism vs Confirmation Baptism
Leavened Communion Bread vs Unleavened Communion bread
Julian Calendar vs Pope Gregory's Calendar
We are not the same Religion, we do not have the same faith, and anyone who looks into either religions genuinely will see how different we are..
People should also look into:
The pornocracy, the 3 popes, the Frankish papacy, the French papacy, the cadaver synod, The donation of pepin, the Donation of Constantine Forgery, the Pseudo symmachian forgeries, the 4th crusade, the council of Melfi Enslavement of Clerical children....
Interesting things to Google, to reveal the truth about Roman Catholicism.
To be fair, many of those things are not dogmas in either church. I am a former RC. GOARCH accepts my 'sprinkle' baptism as would ROCOR when I inquired there. Absolute Divine Simplicity is also not a Catholic doctrine, it's a theory. The Essence-Energy Distinction is accepter in the RCC. Rome does have married priests even in the Latin Rite. They are a minority but they exist because celibacy is a discipline not a doctrine. Now I agree we have A LOT to work out before we could consider reunification but for sake for what I know to be true, I have to speak up
People should also look into
The pornocracy, the Frankish papacy, the cadaver synod, the 3 popes, the French papacy, the donation of Constantine Forgery, the pseudo symmachian forgeries, the council of melfi enslavement of Clerical children, the donation of pepin, the 4th crusade.
People should also Google and look into:
The pornocracy, the Frankish papacy, the cadaver synod, the 3 popes, the Avignon papacy, the donation of Constantine Forgery, the pseudo symmachian forgeries, the pseudo Isidorian Decretals, the liber potificalis forgeries, the donation of pepin, the 4th crusade, the council of Melfi Enslavement of Clerical children.
True but your sprinkle is only accepted because of economia which is a different matter and the grace from Orthodox chrismation was needed @@revelation20232
Father, could you give me the name of that chant for your outro? Whenever I hear it, I cannot help but feel at peace. ❤
I'd recommend pointing out how only catholics or catholic sympathizers have been given access to study and affirm the miraculous nature of these things Father.
That is simply not true. Independent medical authorities have documented the miracles at Lourdes, for example. And the Fatima miracle was not just witnessed by non-Catholics, but by atheists and even sailors of the Royal Navy at sea who did not know what was causing the atmospheric disturbances they saw.
So you'd recommend lying? Lol
@EvelynKerubo-q9f name one non sympathizer that studied this rug
@ThePatristicPilgrim Name all the sympathisers yourself. What evidence have you provided for your own declarations that all those researchers were "sympathisers"?
That’s actually patently false. When investigating miracles, the Catholic Church always includes skeptics in their investigatory panels.
I pray that you have good health and many long years
So not accepted, because Our Lady leads to Catholicism rather than Eastern Orthodoxy
Literally, that's what I also understood.
Lolz, so true.
L'Orthodoxie par définition est catholique, c'est-à-dire universelle dans le sens premier de ce mot. Tous les peuples de la Terre sont invités à entrer dans l'unique Église du Christ sur terre : une, sainte catholique et apostolique conformément au Credo de Nicée-Constantinople de nos pères.
@ if that is true why are teachings on marriage and contraception different among patriarchs?
@@haceneouerdane6840 lolz. Tu es Pierre et sur cette Pierre je fonderai mon église. Il est où Pierre chez les Orthodoxes? Ils d'excommunient entre eux tout le temps et encore récemment...
I'm skeptical of the preparation angle just because I've heard from the Mexico mission that the pagans have an easier time converting to Orthodoxy than the Roman Catholic converts. But I don't have personal connection or experience with that mission so maybe some others can speak to that more.
Mexican ROCOR has Guadalupe icons lol
On the iconostasis no less
I love that
I believe antiochian and OCA in Mexico do as well. And they're all wrong.
Cómo se dice ROCOR en Español?
Heresy.
Why do we need icons from heretical/non Orthodox groups? We don't accept their apparitions. We don't share the same theology, and icons teach theology.
You are making the situation worse. Catholicism is not Protestantism. It is one of the five Holy Sees
@@TomSeliman99 Catholicism was the first Protestant church when they decided to leave the Church.
@TomSeliman99 not to the Orthodox. Rome lost Apostolic Succession when they departed from the correct Faith. This doesn't mean we hate anyone but we have to stand up for the Faith.
@katherinegeorge2400 youre looking at it in a strict legalistic way. It is not a holy icon we venerate but it is not a heretical image.
@ClooneyThunder nothing legalistic about this. Read the Holy Fathers, maybe you will understand.
Well explained Father, thank you
OLG precedes V2 and V2 and the Council of Trent. So at that time the only difference between the Orthodox Church and the RCC was the Filioque, stop it. Not that it wasn’t important. So the natives of Mexico converted to the church.
The only difference … was … heresy. This is true.
And yet there was much, much more: the impact and effects of this heresy.
The delusions, errors or excesses of:
Joachim of Fiore
Francis of Assisi
Thomas Aquinas
The departure from the order and understanding of the Holy Mysteries
The departure from the apostolic and Orthodox understanding and practice of Holy Baptism
Innovations in the Divine Liturgy
And more. . .
@OrthodoxEthos see, this is why people genuinely hate the Orthodox Church. Y’all can’t appreciate a miracle that happened in a church that slightly deviates from yours. Did the Orthodox Church minister to Mexico? No. God will work though whatever means He chooses, and often His chosen path is contrary to what you pharisaically limit Him to. God is bigger than your sect.
@@OrthodoxEthos God reveals something but not in your congregation "delusional"
I personally as an orthodox Christian don't believe in this. But it also could happened. Totally agree with the father Peter.
As a Catholic inquiring into Orthodoxy and very seriously considering converting, its conversations and positions like this that trouble me. I’ve done countless hours of research on the first ecumenical councils, church fathers etc. You’re telling me that these “millions of people” who confessed that Jesus Christ is Lord, Son of God, King of Kings, because of this apparition, are not a part of the body of Christ? Because they’re not orthodox? Our loving God does not consider them a part of the body because they haven’t read 2000 years of church history? From what I’m observing, mostly from internet orthodoxy, is that you guys have become like the Pharisees. I’ve seen orthodox mock the Guadalupe apparition by photoshopping it into a bowl of guacamole and writing “look papists, our lady of guacamole”. Very charitable very patristic! Everyone with eyes knows that is the Theotokos and for these Pharisee orthodox to MOCK her because it didn’t come out of the Orthodox Church is abhorrent. Idk…the truth and the body is somewhere within or between the Catholic Church and Orthodoxy. But hey, what do I know…
What in your opinion makes someone part of the body of Christ (the Church) and why should someone be Catholic or Orthodox or anything else?
Gal 1:8-9: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that all of you have received, let him be accursed."
Kindly let me know who is The Lady of Gaudalupe
Father I got a magnet of the image when I was in Mexico. Is that ok?
No, straight to jail. Also, ask Father if you can use the restroom at Liturgy.
@@returnfreedom "Likewise you spiritual sons, submit yourselves to your priests. And all of you clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble." 1 Peter 5,5
Christians should not keep in their house things from heretics!
Asa-zisele icoane de la eretici precum papistasii trebuie arse!
@Maria-Ortodoxa do you ask to wipe also? I’m well aware of discussing things with your priest, but some stuff goes too far. It was light hearted.
Our lady of Guadalupe is real 💪❤ go research this miracle its real
Is this lady of Gaudalupe mentioned in The Bible
Wish to know please
Tits on a bull. Sorry...nice try prod.
It is it’s in revelation.
“A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.”
Revelation 12:1-2 NIV
I’m Mexican and a convert. My spiritual father essentially echoed what Fr. Peter said. The Theotokos doesn’t affirm error so most likely didn’t participated in converting anyone to a dead branch/schismatic church. It’s would be nice to speculate Catholicism played a role in prepping Mexicans for Orthodoxy but we have no idea.
You clearly don't have good knowledge on the incident
Nuestra historia no termina de escribirse, por lo que es necesario que se complete el mosaico para entender la imagen. Señor, ten piedad.
@@BinBakuti I grew up with it because i was catholic. As much as I’d like for it to be true, from an Orthodox perspective it’s hard to give it credibility.
@@nel7105 this is even worse, research things beforehand
@@BinBakuti I have and know it well. Don’t get mad at us for acknowledging boundaries due to schisms.
Amazing icon. Its what converted me to eastern latin catholic. It was early church that converted me to ROCOR where i know im home.
Catholicism and orthodoxy are both correct. All the protestant denominations are not the full truth. Imo. It’s literally the pope. And the Filioque.
Roman "catholicism" / papism is a heresy, since 1054.
Yes, the Papacy and Filioque are two heresies.
Loved the Freudian slip, Father! "Operations" ha!
Great video Father!
the best
that's the Orthodox phronema
Zeitoun, 1966. Apparitions of the Theotokos affected the Orthodox Church, the Coptic Orthodox Church. It brought fruits of conversion.
I know what is, not what isn’t.
I happy trying to be orthodox.
I thought orthodox do not believe in apparitions.
You will not find any saint or church proclamation that holds to this opinion. Even if we have not “endorsed” any in particular that wouldn’t be a rejection of their possibility.
It's funny how they never started happening until after the schism...
John 4: 21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Think about it
I love the lady of Guadalupe, I dont even care about the story. I just look at it like another icon of my Panagia
don't forget to look at a buddha statue just like another icon of a saint...
Mexico converted to Christ? May it happen one day.
Already has brother. The Catholic Church is the true church
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Except that Roman "catholicism" / papism is a heresy, since 1054.
Fr. Athanasios Mytlinaios has answered this decades already.
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Our Lady of Guadalupe actually completely destroys Christianity. Roman Catholics miss this because they chase Marian apparitions instead of testing the spirits to see if something is false. Mary appearing as indigenous is a major red flag because after her repose and burial her body was taken to heaven. She is in heaven as body and spirit instead of spirit only like every other human. If she appears as anything other than of Jewish descent it's false. If Mary isn't Jewish descent, the Old Testament prophecies of Christ aren't fulfilled. Thus making Christ not the messiah. Thus making Christ not God. If the theology surrounding Mary is wrong, it impacts theology around Christ. For two millennias we are constantly warned about trusting miracles. It's tragic that Roman Catholicism so eagerly toss nepsis aside for the sake of feel good miracles.
How do you know your theory is right. It's just your opinion. You are just a human and living in sin. God is almighty. Don't forget that.
Okay what’s the big issue here? What heresy or evil came of that apparition? She told the Mexicans to convert and worship Jesus, and they did. That is a good thing. Demons would not utter the name of Jesus nor would they say to convert. If your problem is “they weren’t Orthodox,” well were they supposed to wait for Orthodoxy to reach them? Orthodoxy only just arrived in the New World. Catholicism was the only option.
False, the Catholic Church is very cautious about approving miracles. The investigations are arduous, and scientifically documented.
During Guadalupe, The Catholic clergy was very disheartened by not being able to convert the indigenous population.
Mother Mary appeared and boom! The priests could hardly handle all the baptisms. Just like Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene as a gardener and later as a walking stranger to his disciples in the road to Emmaus. Mother Mary has been granted and given the mission to convert toward Christ different people by appearing in a way familiar to them.
God used her to bring Christ to the whole world, not just to the Jews.. And she was always present in the major events of our Lord's evangelization.
The fruits of Guadalupe are a Christ loving Mexico. A Catholic Mexico instead of the bloody Aztec and Mayan religions.
@@eliwithgod4848 What Catholic Church are you talking about?
@Maria-Ortodoxa How many do you know? There is only One.
If it was for the orthodox very few would have converted. This schismatic branch has had absolutely as many significant apostolic efforts that had led many to be converted to Christ the King to the level of the Holy Catholic Church. Now I see the Orthodox church is not the correct path to follow; it is a schismatic and almost Quietist religion. I see it clearly now with the statements made on this video by this schismatic priest. For this realization, I thank my Lady of Guadalupe. ¡¡¡Viva Cristo Rey y la Virgen de Guadalupe!!!!
Millions have converted to Orthodoxy, and if it is not the correct Church why does Catholicism say that it has everything for its followers to be saved? Are you disagreeing with your own church?
@bluebusstop5608 millions have converted??? You are placing the evangelization efforts of the Orthodox Church on the same level as those of the Catholic Church. However, it is widely known that the Catholic Church has been the driving force behind evangelizing most of the modern world. The Orthodox Church, due to its ethnic and national divisions, reflected in its many patriarchs and its autocephalous structure, has struggled to coordinate significant and unified efforts to evangelize as effectively or as extensively as the Catholic Church. These divisions have hindered its ability to achieve the same scale of outreach, both historically and in recent times. That's why the Orthodox strike me as if they take a very Quietist stand on their modus operandi to evangelizing the nations and being fishers of men. Not to mention their fallacious theological schismatic beliefs and differences with Catholic theology and doctrine, which encompass the real Christian orthodoxy.
As Christians who believe in life after death, the souls converted by the Catholic Church throughout history still matter, and their salvation is part of the Church's legacy. This is not limited to modern conversions; history and tradition play a crucial role. Your perspective appears overly focused on the present and lacks the intellectual honesty or diligence to appreciate this broader context. Anyone with even a basic understanding of Catholic versus Orthodox apologetics should be aware of these distinctions.
I’m not here to give you a full lesson on the apologetics between these two positions-positions in which the Orthodox Church remains schismatic and theologically incorrect. If you’re too intellectually lazy or unprepared to engage with this topic properly, I suggest you start by seeking out reading material or videos that delve into the apologetics of Catholic and Orthodox theologies. Then, form an informed opinion before making overly simplistic and ignorant comments. But I’m not here to do the research for you, nor am I going to explain it all, so take some responsibility for your own understanding.
Brother you're quite right, I was tempted to become Orthodox as well but the Catholic Church is so much of a fuller and historically conscious experience of Christianity.
This priest is out of bounds, Our Lady pray for him.
@@bluebusstop5608 Millions have converted??? You are placing the evangelization efforts of the Orthodox Church on the same level as those of the Catholic Church. However, it is widely known that the Catholic Church has been the driving force behind evangelizing most of the modern world. The Orthodox Church, due to its ethnic and national divisions, reflected in its many patriarchs and its autocephalous structure, has struggled to coordinate significant and unified efforts to evangelize as effectively or as extensively as the Catholic Church. These divisions have hindered its ability to achieve the same scale of outreach, both historically and in recent times.
As Christians who believe in life after death, the souls converted by the Catholic Church throughout history still matter, and their salvation is part of the Church's legacy. This is not limited to modern conversions; history and tradition play a crucial role. Your perspective appears overly focused on the present and lacks the intellectual honesty or diligence to appreciate this broader context. Anyone with even a basic understanding of Catholic versus Orthodox apologetics should be aware of these distinctions.
I’m not here to give you a full lesson on the apologetics between these two positions-positions in which the Orthodox Church remains schismatic and theologically incorrect. If you’re too intellectually lazy or unprepared to engage with this topic properly, I suggest you start by seeking out reading material or videos that delve into the apologetics of Catholic and Orthodox theologies. Then, form an informed opinion before making overly simplistic and ignorant comments. But I’m not here to do the research for you, nor am I going to explain it all, so take some responsibility for your own darned research.
The RCC persecuted the Orthodox for centuries to prevent evangelization. But now they can't anymore mostly, so we are evangelizing. Converting by the ⚔ as the RCC did even last century is not evangelization.
I think the question is, why are you appearing again, after I hit dislike on your video regarding the Coptic church the other week? 😅 RUclips “dislike and don’t show me this guy again” feature is not working! 😂.
Now, the bigger question is; why would anyone ask you anything? Is it because of the books and icons behind you?
You are not protecting the Orthodox faith, we don’t need you.
What Heavens had decided to show the people of Our Lady of Guadalupe, is perfect for their hearts, and their understanding. Christ will accept them this way. They have no clue about your PhD, the Patristics, the rejections, the positions and all your high castle speech.
Back to the Coptic church, which happens to be the most pristine Orthodox faith in the world today, due to the fact that it has not been contaminated with the western theology and all the differences. The Coptic church had the most beautiful apparitions of the Panagia in modern times, don’t believe me? Look up our Lady of Zayton. Look up the apparitions of Papadouplos also in Cairo.
If Christ and the Virgin Mary decided to show this level of glory to people who are according to the Eastern Orthodox Church are not in communion, does that ring a bell in your thick heart at all??
Let me give it to you straight, I am Eastern Orthodox, who was born in Egypt and been a Copt all my life, and now joined the Eastern Orthodox faith, not because a lack of virtue or theology in the Coptic church, but rather because of falling in love with a new mother, which is the Eastern Orthodox Church.
I have witnessed miracles and gifts from heavens all my life, and yet a man like you is discounting it.
Wrap up your circus, and repent, Father what’s your name.
And please do something about not appearing on my feed! You can’t help it, you say?? Of course, that’s also because you lack a sense of humor!!!!
No one has to cater to you. The more you comment the more RUclips will show you things. It's called an algorithm. "Don't recommend channel" works. Try it over and over. I hope it works for you. So step 1 is to stop commenting to fix the algorithm.
😂 Thanks, Maria. That was part of the joke.. hope you get it now.
Dear Father, due to the Great Schism of 1054and the 0:11 Protestant revolution of the 16th century, the whole world continues to be confused about the body of Christ as the Church for the head, Christ has been Divorced from the body, Christ!
Uh oh…
I think you could argue some Marian apparitions like this soften catholics and help keep them from making the same mistakes the Jesuits did in making martyrs as many even in leaders of the catholic church are moved more by politics before christ. Which can lead more towards two tiered justice systems without said apparitions, making it still a act of God's mercy either way. But neither party should compulse each other on the matter if they want to maintain integrity of true relationship.
That is unhelpful and hypocritical projection. The Orthodox leadership has always been mired in politics. Worldly as well as jurisdictional.
@@EasternChristian1988 not more then they feel they have to, or they wouldn't be called backwards by so many of those who speak against them.
@ This is a textbook example of needing to remove the beam from your own eye before concerning yourself with the grain in your brother's eye.
@@EasternChristian1988 not really. If you're not orthodox or in favor of their leadership why are you even here if you claim to have the humility to say this? 🤷 Anyone can make up silly arguments out of context like that. It's quite childish. Edifying and recognizing them as your brothers even if you're not orthodox would be a sign of good spiritual growth, however.
@ I am what some Orthodox would call a "Uniate". I prefer the term Orthodox in communion with Rome. I have nothing but love for both Rome and the Eastern Orthodox Churches. But for someone to take shots at Catholic leadership as though it were always or majorly focused on worldly power and politics (while conveniently ignoring Orthodox hierarchies similar history) is disingenuous. There is PLENTY that can be said to criticize Rome, as there can of the Orthodox and us Eastern Catholics and anyone else. Let's just stick to objective facts in our critique, rather than blanket generalizations that fall short and sound hypocritical.
This priest sounds like he is trying to convince himself.
Of course he is. That’s all he does. He doesn’t even really teach what the Orthodox Church even believes. Priests have told me to ignore this guy he’s a big issue for more converts.
Roman "catholicism" / papism is a heresy, since 1054. It's not even a new thing....
@@lorenzocardenas5071The Priests who told you that, if they actually did, are probably ecumenist or do not know the Faith and Saints. But they're probably RC priests so that would explain it. He only teaches what the Saints and faithful Priests do now.
@@LadyMaria Eastern Orthodox Priests. Peter Heers has already been found out as a fraud.
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Fr. Peter of course has no choice but to walk a fine line, while at the same time towing the party line. But do you want saints and Church Fathers? How about St. Gregory the Theologian? This is what he wrote in a letter in 382, the year after he attended the 2nd Ecumenical Council in Constantinople:
"For my part, if I am to write the truth, my inclination is to avoid all assemblies of bishops, because I have never seen any Council come to a good end, nor turn out to be a solution of evils. On the contrary, it usually increases them. You always find there love of contention and love of power (I hope you will not think me a bore, for writing like this), which beggar description; and, while sitting in judgment on others, a man might well be convicted of ill-doing himself long before he should put down the ill-doings of his opponents. So I retired into myself; and came to the conclusion that the only security for one's soul lies in keeping quiet."
St. Gregory did not live to see the Schisms among the Apostolic Sees, wherein the Church Fathers, who in their hubris imagined they could read the Mind of God, and be privy to the perfect dogmas and doctrines that exist ONLY therein, allowed the Body of Christ to be dismembered one limb at a time. Don't worry, the INTACT Body of Christ does still exist. It's found in the collection of every single solitary Christian the whole world over who, without guile or pretense, is truly seeking His Will in their lives in good faith, penitence, love and humility! This Body cuts across all those chopped-up Body parts. Such an idea will perhaps cause pearl-clutching and shouts of "Heresy!" among those who are SURE it's THEIR church that's God's favorite, and have doubts that others are truly saved like they know THEY are! GROW UP, CHRISTENDOM. If you COULD read the Mind of the Creator of the Cosmos and all its Laws, it would be so much for your small minds it would literally make your heads explode. If the Church Fathers had been truly wise and Spirit-filled at those Councils, this idea would have dawned on them. But it turns out they were sinful, flawed human beings just like we are. Get down on your knees and beg forgiveness from the Lord for allowing His Body to be chopped up, and for imagining that you could out-think Him. Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on all us sinners.
“… the Church Fathers, who in THEIR HUBRIS imagined they could read the Mind of God….” ?????
Lord have mercy. This is quite erroneous and mistaken, or worse, impious.
You are an agnostic and akin to a Barlaamite, as he said something similar, but your version is worse.
@@OrthodoxEthos "Worse than a Barlaarmite!" I'll be sure to have that engraved on my tombstone. Just kidding, people at my level of poverty don't get tombstones, like for example, a salaried priest, who's very wise and respected in the eyes of men would. But "agnostic"? I KNOW that my Redeemer liveth. He proved it to me Himself 2 years ago when, after many months of grief, loneliness, starvation and dehumanizing humiliations He had mercy on me when no one else would, and drew me to Himself! He put the New Man on me personally right there when I was alone in my filthy hovel. I felt deep in my soul that night that I had been allowed to see and touch the wounds of Christ myself. It has meant also the gift of passive prayer, whereby with the Lord, saints and angels feeling so present, I know I will never feel lonely again, even though I'm just as solitary as I ever was. Since then, out of gratitude for His great mercy and gifts to me, I have been trying to give more of myself to Him every day. So no, you didn't have me pegged there. I may be crazy, but I'm no agnostic. Bless the LORD, O my soul, and all that is within me bless His holy name!
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With this kind of thinking, you’d have to go back and consider Arianism, Gnosticism, and Nestorianism. Do you have the discernment to make sense of it all?
@@jcald111 Do you think about my kind of thinking because your faith is more a thinky one, and not so much a do-y one?
Have a weak display of faith day after day and nobody panics because it's all part of the plan, but put a filioque into your Creed and everyone loses their minds!
That's fine, I'll be your Joker. It's working, St. Paul! I am seen as foolish by practically everyone! They must all be right!
So we die, and at the pearly gates St. Peter (or Andrew, or Mark, or Thomas...) is there to see if we made it in, and does he ask, "Let's see, how well did you imitate our Lord Jesus Christ throughout your life?" or is it, "First things first! Where do you come down on CHALCEDON?"
Isn't this SAD? We supposed human beings, and children of God, created in His image, will spend hours and hours MISSING THE POINT by having that old debate about how many angels can fit on a pinhead, when instead we could be using that time to behave like the EARTH ANGELS the Lord created us to be?
My priest says the Orthodox has no opinion on it, so there's no need to be skeptical nor do you need to defend the belief on it. That being said, it's perfectly fine to have virgen de Guadalupe pictures/candles/etc
Who are "the Orthodox" he is referring to. I can find you many Orthodox opinions that say to be skeptical on so-called miracles outside of the Church.
@buzzard777 Eastern orthodox do not have a dogmatic/theological opinion on the Virgen de Guadalupe. Do we believe the apparition happened, we don't know and we can't say yes or no. Do we venerate the Virgen de Guadalupe? No.
It's simple.
@@ClooneyThunder The Roman Church was anathemized in 1054 . Today, they are not a Church, they are also not catholic as they took this name after their fall. They are heretical papists and the One Church has NO connection with them.
@@ClooneyThunder of course, superficially there is nothing wrong about the Virgen of Guadalupe image. That’s not to say an orthodox Christian ought to embrace it. I know a very conservative orthodox monastery in the United States that has a virgin of Guadalupe type icon in their temple. But they don’t try to defend it as being orthodox. It’s simply something they have a personal love for.
@@campomambo agreed, this is the view I'm trying to show.
I think there's a lot of pride still with our orthodox brothers, there's no way to deny fatima, guadalupe, la sallete we should unite again as the one and only true church of our lord Jesus Christ, thats the main goal, God blesses both churches with wonderful miracles and saints, we need to put ego aside and get together again.
There's... Plenty of ways to deny these lol. Easy - they were political psy-ops. Fatima was to spread anti-bolshevik rhetoric in that area. Every one of these apparitions always just so happens to have a message that was politically convenient to the authorities of wherever it took place.
Ask yourself this - why were there never Marian apparitions until after the schism..?
Political psy-ops, all of them
Ask yourself this - why were there never any Marian apparitions until after the schism..?
The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church is the Body of Christ and cannot be created or reunited, as it cannot be divided.
The ecclesiology implicit in your statement is heretical and an expression of the heresy of ecumenism.
La Salette you should be ashamed to believe that. Because Christ is our Savior and Mary isn't the One holding his hand from destroying the World. You are taking our Lord as a terrorist and the "Lady" as the Savior. If Jesus wanted to punish the earth I don't think Mary would retain him but would gladly agree.
La Salette you shouldn't believe that because Christ is our Savior and Mary isn't the One holding his hand from destroying the World. You are taking our Lord as a terrorist and the Lady as the Savior. If Jesus wanted to punish the earth I don't think Mary would retain him but would gladly agree, glad of God holy judgment.
It's a demonic " apparition" that keeps the heretics stuck and "faithful" to their heresy.
Yeah...sure.
In your dreams Satan
Roman catholicism is heresy, since 1054
@ Roman catholicism is heresy, since 1054
“A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.”
Revelation 12:1-2 NIV
Jello and cultic is what I am hearing in this answer. Jello is in that there is no opinion regarding apparition. This means it neutral no right or wrong which means no discernment in it? EO doesn't care? Well is that the same across the board with other apparitions? Is the EO mystical enough that they choose not to have an opinion on this and other apparitions? 'Cutlic' in that a Person cannot be called a believer in Jesus unless they are attached to the Eastern Orthodox church. Church of Christ says t his same thing. JWs, Mormons s same so you must be attached to the organization to be a Christian? Your personal faith in Jesus isn't enough or disquailfies you from this? I find this weirdly cultic and controlling and the mysticism of the EO is seducing in this as well.
Just weird local cults.
Here is another cope video because the essential miracles are centered on the Catholic Church.
Btw wr are not as uncharitable as you are and do consider that the Theotokos still cares and tries to save your schismatic heart.
hmmm...if the Lord had to wait for the Orthodox Christians to arrive in a missionary field before giving the potential converts a significant sign...think about that. We are simply not there, because of the emphasis on the ethnos, the preservation of particular cultures, rather than spreading the Gospel message to all nations. With some significant exceptions, of course.
We were kinda busy defending the faith from Islam and communism to go travelling around the world…
@@orlog3343 true
@@orlog3343 also, don't forget about defending the faith against roman "catholicism"/ "uniate" heresy
Cope harder. Hilarious pretzels but he answers himself when he says “Where is the Church?”
The reality is that for thousands of years in Rome has been the church and the line continues. That is rare.
Today, on the internet many talking heads take turns to undermine and find fault with each other.
Is there any purpose to it?
There is no respect understanding analysis or convergence.
Better if people just keep to themselves and question why they would join in.
@rideforever The Saints say otherwise. We should care about what our Church says, not some bishops and priests who have fallen by the wayside. Our God is a jealous God and no need to pervert the Faith. This is about our salvation.
"In the West, to be sure, the grace of God was lost many centuries ago. Roman Catholics and Protestants today have not tasted of God's grace, and so it is not surprising that they should be unable to discern its demonic counterfeit." Saint Seraphim Rose, Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future, 1979 printing, page 225.
@@katherinegeorge2400You’re right. The Catholic Church must bring the orthodox back into communion.
@Maria-Ortodoxa”Roman” Catholic. We have 24 rites my dude. Get it right. We’re CATHOLIC.
Thank you for reminding me why the schism will never be undone.
We actually see the schism being undone gradually as followers of the Pope continue to convert to the Orthodox Church after coming to recognize in the Orthodox Church the Faith that was once and for all delivered to the saints.
Dear Father, due to the Great Schism of 1054and the 0:11 Protestant revolution of the 16th century, the whole world continues to be confused about the body of Christ as the Church for the head, Christ has been Divorced from the body, Christ!