I'm interested to see how she sounds in this production. On Glee, she was playing a teenage character singing DROMP. Everyone's worried she's going to do a bad Barbra impression, but she's now 10+ years older and a more mature artist being directed by someone else. I feel like she will bring a lot more nuance to this role than people are giving her credit for.
I love Beanie Feldstein, but she was totally miscast in this role (in my opinion). When Barbra Streisand was cast in the role of Fanny Brice, the songs were basically written to take advantage of her incredible voice. The Funny Girl story is pretty weak, so it really is all about the songs/voice. That may not be fair, but it is what it is. Again, just my opinion. I wish Lea Michele success as she steps into the role of Fanny Brice and I also wish Beanie much success in her future endeavors.
You should have used Lea's performance at the Tony Awards live instead of the engineered sound from the Glee recording. Probably the vocal coaching she will be getting during the summer before her Broadway premiere will correct the particulars you brought up. It will be interesting to see how the peformance changes then. Good analysis of she & Beanie's performance differences.
While I would never presume to start a comment with the phrase “you should”, I do agree with Larry. I don’t think it’s fair to judge Lea Michelle playing Rachel Berry singing this song. Her version at the Tony Awards was different and is a better indicator of what we might see in September. That being said, I’ve worked in film and television for over 25 years, and I knew the stories about Lea’s unfortunate behavior choices well before they came to light in recent years. Let’s hope she’s learned some lessons, and exhibits more of the grace and kindness she has exhibited on occasion. This was an excellent review! Thank you!
Aye, but only if she's open to receiving the training. 🌝 If she's got the same snotty attitude towards people she deems to be "less" than her, like vocal coaches, I feel sorry for every idiot who bought a ticket to see her show, but got seats way at the back: they will never hear her. XD
I am learning to sing, and I heard the gasped “ha” before singing is a cheat to activate the diaphragm, it’s supposed to be a beginners trick and when you get more experienced you’re meant to drop it but most people don’t break the habit.
I think Michele has since toned down on the vocal cries. Also, the songs were written for Barbara Streisand, so although different interpretations are welcome it appears that if you deviate from the Streisand belts of the songs, you deviate from what the songs are meant to be. There will always be backlash if you choose to interpret the song another way without the necessary artistic justification that can be found in the rest of the production. I don't know what beanie did, but it also appears like the character of Fanny Bryce has to be a belter, because of how much passion she has for becoming a star.
I read that Jules Styne didn't want Ray Stark's top contender Anne Bancroft to get the part of Brice, so he wrote songs that only Streisand, who was also being considered, could sing.
2:14 - THANK YOU!!! I'm not ashamed to admit I was a Glee fan, particularly Lea Michele, right up to the end. _However,_ I also must say that I grew to _hate_ that sound! That crying squeak is a valuable tool for expressing sadness, anger, etc. Unfortunately, in this case, it became so ubiquitous in her performances that I genuinely began to wonder, "Can she start a phrase _without_ that sound, or does she actually _lack_ the ability _not_ to (metaphorically) crack the door a bit before opening it all the way." Another technical issue with _this_ performance is that she occasionally breathes in the middle of phrases...and even the final word, "Pa," (breath), "rade!" (But now I'm nit picking.) As for Beanie Feldstein, it's not that her voice is _objectively bad;_ it's that it's _comparatively smaller_ that the voice we've been conditioned to expect...if not demand. With regard to Lea Michile's "divazilla" attitude and treatment of her Glee cast mates, I'm with you. I don't want to live in a world where we continue to punish people for (non-criminal) things they did _years_ ago...IF they have, in fact, changed. Along that line, when was the last time we heard a story about Lea's _recent_ bad behavior. It's been awhile. Yeah?
I’m really surprised you didn’t use a live performance of Lea Michele’s “Don’t Rain on My Parade” to give a more accurate assessment. However, I worked with Lea michele, very briefly, for a performance on American idol. When I worked with her, she was wonderful and was an absolute pleasure to work with. No signs of any worrisome “Rachel Barry” attitude and I was very pleasantly surprised. I really hope that this means she truly has come a long way from wherever she may have been many years before.
Ada, you are a class act. That was one of my favorite AI performances, and Lea (rightfully) held back to let your vocals shine. I wish more people would read this comment, and realize that people can grow and change. Hopefully, Lea has.
I also wish he used a live version, because with Glee versions of any musical theatre, I have to ask about how much pitch correction there is, because there is some very obvious songs that have pitch correction.
Just saw Beanie's last performance earlier today. She had some lovely moments at the end that were well acted and very emotional, but clearly was never up to the singing demands of this role. In addition to power, range is a huge issue for her - Beanie can't belt nearly as high up the scale as Lea, let alone Barbra. As a result, she sang some songs fully in head voice (e.g. People) and chose lower notes in some instances for songs that she fully belted. I was also taken aback that Ramin in some instances was singing the melody while Beanie was singing lower harmony parts, which seemed due to her not having the notes. The level of artistry in singing you see with so many Broadway actors - choosing different colors, ornamentations, etc. in the voice - also just wasn't there. This is by no means Beanie's fault - she doesn't have the years of training and experience other headliners have as she's spent most of her career acting only. I do think she never should have been cast in this role and it was really unfair to her. I felt the same thing after hearing Katrina Lenk - a far better singer - in Company, a role that was just too high for her.
They should have NOT set her up to fails mentioned ,to sing songs written for Ms S- ! Then again, i think my ego would go against my intuition that this isn't going to work it was for Beanie also a life long dream to do "Funny Girl" At all cost-and unfortunatrley it was costly SUCH HATE in our world,WHY shame anyone, but especially Beanie- SHAME ON HATERS!
8:40 so the thing I’m hearing with Beanie is that her placement is nasal, which is actually not good technique. Singing nasally and singing with forward placement are often confused, the difference being one is poor technique that stifles the sound and creates that nasal tone, while the other is strong technique that sounds clear and amplifies the sound. Jessica Vosk is a great example of someone with that perfect forward placement that just rings out for eons
@@jayhartbarger2793 my point was that this was not new for Lea Michelle. You missed my point, it would seem. Besides, no one could dance like Shirley could as a six year old and then she grew into a lovely but not very charismatic teenager.
I'm a big fan of Beanie, but to be fair, it's not just her lack of power or belting that is underwhelming people. She doesn't have the best tone and tone can make up for a lot of other attributes. I believe people would be disappointed with her vocals regardless of the Barbara comparison. Also, this is more of a Rachel Berry analysis than a Lea Michele one in my opinion. On Glee I'm sure she was told exactly how to sing it. I think Lea will be fantastic on Broadway. Many actors in Hollywood do far worse things than be difficult on set as a young adult without so much as a blink, so I don't think her real-life personality has anything to do with if she'll be right for the role. Beanie has a history with her voice for sure, but she's the leading lady on Broadway- the bar should be very high. Great analysis video!
@@apatouros7572 There's a bootleg recording of her and J Groff's final performances in Spring Awakening, her first verse in Those You've Known always wows me when I rewatch it ruclips.net/video/3R2kvWjUJ1w/видео.html
Interesting. I'm curious about how the comedy bits and the more intimate songs sound. Lea Michele can belt the big power numbers, I'm sure; but I wonder if she can be funny or particularly charming as a character? The quality she tends to project feels more like angst and wanting to prove herself, rather than being a little off-beat, vulnerable, and endearing.
She was amazing in Spring Awakening and as Cossette in Le Miz. Both of those require nuanced stage acting. Comedy in harder than drama but I think her acting will be the actual suprise from the show. We know she is a singer. She gets to show her comedic acting chops.
Let me start out by saying I'm not a big fan of Lea's. She has that whiny Disney Princess sound that I've always found annoying. And yes, that "cry" before almost every phrase is definitely over the top. Just like you mentioned, it can work in certain moments, but by using it all the time it loses its strength. Now without going further, I had to remember this was quite a while ago, and might not even be worth spending too much more time on. There's been a lot of years and a lot of growing up and vocal maturity since this performance on Glee. I Googled it to find out what year she did this song. It was 2009. So that's 13 years ago. She was 22 then and she's 35 now. A lot can change! I'm curious what she'll sound like today and more than likely with different direction. But to answer your question... "Is Lea Michele really that much better?" Vocally, a big yes! Whether I like her style of singing or not, she is a singer. Beanie is not a singer. Sure, she can carry a tune. But this is Broadway! Her singing voice doesn't sound much better than some of the high school kids I've directed in their musicals. Anyway, I do like Beanie. She has a very charming personality and is a very good comedic actress. But she did not have the instrument to carry a whole B'way show on her shoulders. Without an amazing Fanny Brice, the show runs out of steam real quick! That's the main reason nobody's taken a chance on bringing it back to B'way since the '60s. It needs a phenomenal actress with a phenomenal voice! There were so many known actresses that were offered the role way before they got Streisand. And they all turned it down because they couldn't handle the score. You see, Jule Styne, the composer, was told by some friends of his that he has got to check out this girl they just saw performing downtown in a little night club. She was just so good and so original. And so, he went. By this point he was willing to listen to anybody. And he was not disappointed! He fell in love that very night with the girl who had already dropped the middle "A" from her first name. But when he brought back this fantastic news that he's found their lead, the rest of them weren't as thrilled with the idea. They didn't want to take a chance with a virtually unknown singer, even though she had already done her first B'way musical in I Can Get It For You Wholesale. But even though she got rave reviews, it was a supporting role. And she was young, only 19 when Wholesale opened! And she would only be 21 at the time FG would open. Too much of a chance for a leading role on B'way, and a leading role who would be virtually on stage the entire show! So, what I'm getting at is that Jule Styne wanted Barbra. And he knew she had a very big vocal range. So, when finishing the score, he allegedly opened up the range on all the songs! The ranges for all Fanny's songs ended up being so wide and difficult to sing, well, like I said, everybody else turned it down, and he got his Barbra! Lol! So, my point is I haven't the foggiest idea how they thought Beanie was going to handle such a score. And in the end, she couldn't do it justice. Oh, and just to give you some background on myself so you would know I come from some professional experience. I'm a voice teacher/vocal coach here in NYC with a masters in piano and vocal performance. And I've had some students make it to B'way, Off B'way, tours and recordings. Sorry if that sounded a bit braggy. And also sorry for the lengthy post! It's hard to stop when talking about the field I'm in and love! Your passion shows as well. Good luck with your shows and future endeavors!
I chose to go see Funny Girl in previews because I adore Ramin Karimloo. When I saw the FG trailer that you are using here, I thought 'oh dear'. When I went to the theatre, I desperately wanted to like Beanie. While she was much better than you see in the trailer, she just didn't have the voice required for most of the songs. I've heard others sing these songs well, so it isn't just a comparison to Barbra. (In fact, in the second act, there is a short reprise of "People" where Ramin sings one line AMAZINGLY, only emphasizing how mediocre Beanie's voice is. Also, I didn't know about Beanie's voice problems when she was younger. All the more reason not to cast her in the first place.
THE CRY SOUND! Thank you!!!!! Whenever I spoke about her in my music classes (7-12 all girls), I always mention the "hitch" or "Hiccup" when she phonates. They all loved her, and I will admit that she is talented, but the cry sound drives me nuts. ANd I'm now going to compare her to Babs. Yes, Jule Styne was writing the FG score for her. There are layers and just a depth to Babs' voice that Lea does not have. Lea was a wonderful Cosette, but I'll wait to see what the word of mouth is when she takes over the role of Fanny Brice.
I'm so old I remember how how our vocal coaches had us rounding all our notes, singing through the facial mask, and stopping any vibrato. I'm not really fond of modern warbling, sounds so overdone.
You are amazing and so right about both performers. Unfortunately, Beanie Feldstein was miscast. I saw her in Hello Dolly and she was lovely. She brought that supporting role to life and made it unforgettable. In my opinion, she’s a great character actress who takes a supporting role and makes it shine. Lea Michele (and thank you for giving her a chance) will be an amazing Fanny Brice. Let’s hope she has matured and learned some important lessons in life. Thank you. Your music theatre theory is outstanding.
Admittedly, how was her singing in Hello, Dolly? I'm assuming she could handle those songs, since the character she played wasn't the main female role, or even the secondary female role.
THIS!!! and in 2006, before Glee. does no one remember Spring Awakening?? that shit was SOOOO good when I was in high school... are we just getting old now?! 😭
With your discussion of Beanie's vocal choices, I wonder if at any point the director or producers told her to "make the role her own". I can think of several productions or revivals where the actor was encouraged to take risks with character development because they wanted to make the show unique, even if it had a history or classic role. It would be unfortunate if Beanie was told to make the role her own and put her spin on the character, and then she gets slammed by the critics and canned by the producers for doing exactly what she was told to do. Is the role so iconic that no one can perform it unless they're channeling Barbra? I feel like Beanie got the shaft no matter what, but I also wonder if she wasn't set up for failure based on expectations around the show that had nothing to do with her.
@@saaaaltydaaalty310 I don't particularly think she has a settled tone or personal style of voice yet. I believe she is rather good at taking on styles and tones. I think with a little practice and immersion research, she could do well.
I really appreciate that your analysis is understandable to people who are not music experts. Even more, I appreciate your balanced and kind perspective on the performers. We need more people like you speaking up and less people just waiting for the slightest chance to tear others apart.
Great vocal analysis of the two singers. And thanks for mentioning how over-produced the Glee vocal soundtracks were. When Michele sang it at the Tony's she did struggle a bit and pushed in the bigger moments, but it could have been nerves. Either way, she's a skilled singer, and like Streisand has a smaller evenly produced instrument which the microphone loves so it doesn't distort as quickly in the louder moments. Mic'ing and recording the truly larger voices in MT and opera is very difficult from the production end, even with newer technology and software. Loved your mention of the 1950's brighter/brassier vowel sound in MT, a lot of that was to get the voice to project in the theaters pre-1965 mic age. We're now many generations into singing with mic's, and it's allowed folk to use more natural spoken vowel shapes as well as varied and expressive register blends that would never have projected in the old days.
You’ve got to remember Lea Michelle is acting here. When you watch her perform this outside of glee specific events there is a lot less of the beginning of the note ‘cry’. This Performance is being given by Rachel Berry, not Lea Michelle. To assume Lea would make these same choices is wrong.
I don’t know… even when she sings outside of Glee (her live performance at the Tony Awards, for example) she uses a lot of “cry” sound. For this reason I’m inclined to think it’s a Lea Michele signature sound, and not just an affectation she puts on for Rachel, you know?
@@MusicTheatreTheory it is a Lea signature sound, sure, but she doesn't overdo it as much in her own performances. Rachel Berry uses it, abuses it, overuses it... lea chooses her use of cries much better. Check out her performance of DROMP from around 3/4 years ago and her tour with Darren Criss.
I really enjoyed the way you did the switch screen analysis of Don't Rain on My Parade with Beanie vs. Lea. I know virtually nothing about music theatre theory, but I know what I like, and I really like, no love, Barbra Streisand. When Funny Girl was revived on Broadway I wanted to see it, but I didn't know much about Beanie. I pulled up a trailer of her singing Don't Rain on My Parade and, while I know and accept there's only one Barbra, I was underwhelmed. Not only that, I think I would have been disappointed had I gone to Broadway. Perhaps Lea is a b---h, no comment, but I really don't care, she's not a friend, family, or co-worker. When I spend my time and hard-earned money for a show, I want to have my socks knocked off. Now that I've watched your analysis, I think I will go see Funny Girl with Lea Michele. Thanks for sharing, and, btw, your teaching voice has a pretty wide range too.
Thanks for sharing the info about Beanie’s early vocal damage and technique rebuilding. It’s not something I’ve not heard anyone else bring up in the midst of reporting/analyzing this and goes a long way towards explaining why she would be both vocally cautious and selective of a perhaps narrower range of choices in order to protect the voice. Sharing this, alone, convinced me to subscribe to your channel as “a voice” really worth listening to. I’m sorry we couldn’t have heard more of Beanie in the role online, particularly as I’m not sure whether the OBC recording has been, or will be, released under these circumstances, I’m intrigued by the few clips you played to hear whether, more objectively, her sound and approach really could serve the music (separate from the Barbra expectations) after all. That said, your analysis certainly leads me to believe that vocally the score shakes out as “Lea Michelle, 2: Beanie Feldstein, 1”. But based on “ ... belt the ever-loving POOP out of it” - YOU win! ;) :D
Both actresses have a little-girl quality to their singing and most likely, it's because they started performing at a very young age. When Lea opens up and belts she sounds really good but not that whine/cry at the beginning of her phrases. That should be a big N.O. when performing a piece that was A) Written in the MidCentury and B) Evokes an even earlier time when Disney Princess-style singing was unheard of. Fanny Brice was a formidable WOMAN (as is Barbra Streisand) and she was also an elegant woman in real life--nothing like the characters she played in the Follies.
I don’t think I’ve ever commented on a RUclips video, but your analysis and explanation were so fascinating, insightful and well-presented that I just had to say, “Great frigging job!”
The famous older Broadway performers performed with no mikes. I saw Ethel Merman in Hello Dolly and the show was miked, but Merman sang two songs in the runway with the mikes off, and she was magnificent.
THANK YOU for mentioning the rampant use of pitch correction, compressors and limiters in Glee’s music. It always, always drove me crazy and all the songs just felt neutered and lifeless to me as a result. It was more maddening than Lea Michelle’s cry 😂 It’s not just Glee, of course - it’s a major issue with practically all big, glossy Hollywood production these days. The live-action Beauty and the Beast movie’s soundtrack was just completely unlistenable to me due to everyone (but mainly Emma Watson) sounding like a computer, rather than a human. You should do a video on this topic if you can think of enough to talk about and enough examples to compare/contrast!
The thing is, Fanny Brice was a real woman with a distinctive voice of her own. Streisand had a distinct and rich voice of her own, but she managed to capture some of Brice's charm and style. It probably helped that Garson Kanin and several others directly involved in the production knew Fanny Brice and were able to guide Streisand into picking up her qualities without devolving into a parody of Fanny Brice. Michele leans so heavily into Streisand's interpretation as Rachel Berry, that I have no idea how she'll do as Fanny.
I do agree with a lot of what you said, but I keep saying this to all of these people commenting because they are pissed Lea Michele is replacing her. The truth of the matter is, you can’t take what a couple people say on set as fact and judge her for it. Also, it’s exactly right that she should be allowed to be human and people should leave Glee in the past and focus on how she acts moving forward. She also didn’t dismiss what people said about her and call them out for it, but she apologized for the way her actions may have been taken, and I think she handled it in a mature manner. Everyone has people they may not get along with, and negativity is what goes viral, so I think people need to take accusations with a grain of salt and not believe it as fact. I am excited and happy for Lea Michele, and I am sick of people trying to now put Lea Michele down because of her past and accusations, while there were a lot of concerns regarding Beanie being chosen simply based on nepotism which isn’t right and if you look into how she got the role, I think it’s also problematic. Why are people not discussing the problems with Beanie being chosen for the role in the first place? People love to ignore that, and just trash Lea Michele. I think Beanie gave her own version of Fanny Brice and so will Lea Michele, and there is room for both of them :)
Regarding the 'open mouth' full voice of Lea....please remember that Glee used all pre-recorded soundtracks and lip-syncing, so, as you probably already know singers tend to over-act the mouth when lip syncing. Except Barbra. She did the opposite. PS: Ya' married? LOL
I think it’s such a shame that Beanie is leaving so soon. I saw her last month and she was wonderful and she had some very powerful vocal moments where she opened up, I think if she had more time to truly settle into the role vocally people would be saying kinder things. Cause Fanny has a million things to do, and doing it 7/8 times a week I assume would be exhausting and finding the best way to sing the score so much can take a while. I’ve heard many an actor talk about adjusting their sound to produce the best sound, while still delivering what’s expected. I truly believe if Beanie had her full initial run she would have found the right balance.
@@mgmbacklot ok so I sense body shaming here, so that’s gross. Also. If you think Lea looks any more like Fanny than Beanie does, you’re just even more wrong than you’re initial comment was. Lea may look more like Streisand, but even Streisand is Not Fanny Brice.
@@robwilliamson5082 any actress that plays FB has to deliver on her iconic funny face. FB had a rather scrawny frame; but I don't really care if the actress is fat as long as she can give me FB's "look". it's 2022, y'all. Lizzo is up there shaking that big fat ass and changing the world. we are here for the big girls. BF was a disaster, and it wasn't because she's fat. BF might have had this role handed to her on a silver platter, but nepotism can't help fatigue. there's no way that voice would be able to do more than 20-30 shows. BF's understudy is one lucky girl!
@@robwilliamson5082 I have Zero support for Lea, she's a cold and snotty person, i know this from interacting with her during the production of glee. The original production of funny girl was more a star vehicle for Streisand than, an accurate bio of Fanny. I'm not body shaming here. You wouldn't hire danny devito to play jack skelington. Who would accept that casting?
Great analysis! I don't think Leah has anything like the richness or texture to her voice of Streisand, but she channels her well and will do a fine job on Broadway. Beanie has a lot of charm which I think made her characterization work, not only acting-wise but vocally too, at least to a degree. She was a bit heavy for the role- not because we don't want to see a plus-size actress, but because Fanny was a real person who wasn't heavy, it's something we know about her. I'm glad Beanie was given a chance to put her unique stamp on this great role, and look forward to Leah doing the same.
While it’s true that the real Fanny Brice wasn’t heavy, my perspective on this is… well, the real Fanny Brice also didn’t break out into “Don’t Rain On My Parade” at a train station. Since we are seeing a fictionalized representation, it is valid (and maybe even adds additional depth to the story) to cast someone who doesn’t look like the real person they’re representing. Look at the casting of Hamilton, for example: there is something incredibly reclamatory and powerful about casting BIPOC performers to play white men who owned slaves. Similarly, I think Beanie’s casting adds a new dimension to the story, making it relevant to today. Think about this: Fanny faced a lot of obstacles in show biz due to her appearance as a Jewish woman, similar to how plus-size performers face a lot of those obstacles in show biz today!
@@MusicTheatreTheory The musical HAMILTON was explicitly constructed with the device of depicting historical Caucasian characters as African-American. The use of hip hop, rap and race is its' central conceit. It doesn't resonate with everybody, but plenty find it brilliant and exciting. FUNNY GIRL wasn't conceived that way. This is a revival, not an original work. That should be respected. Non-traditional casting can often be great, but it can also be distracting and confusing. There is room for all points of view, in any case, and we will have to agree to disagree.
@@MusicTheatreTheory I love this breakdown! I definitely think your point about her facing struggles as a plus size woman being analogous to Fanny Brice facing discrimination as a Jewish woman in a time that was much more anti-Semitic is a great point. Funny Girl is based on a true story and a real person (like Hamilton was) but adapting certain elements to resonate better in a modern climate is a great route for storytelling. I love your take on this! I think for both the sake of representation and its role in modernizing the tale, a plus size woman playing Fanny Brice makes complete sense and should not be discounted because the "real" Fanny Brice (and mind you, this is a fictionalized version of her character this isn’t a biopic) was slim.
I thought the casting of a bigger actress was actually perfect. Fanny was so far from the ideals of beauty that were seen on the stage back then. Now we have more people with "ethnic" features on stage so getting someone who looked exactly like Fanny wouldn't really carry the same impact. But we don't see big women in leading roles on stage, so the spirit is the same even if her weight isn't historically accurate.
@@lazenbear I'm a plus-size actress and I remain unconvinced that the audience has such a metaphysical attitude that they see Beanie's weight as a symbol of the anti-Semitic oppression Fanny faced. I may be great reading Vi in AUGUST, OSAGE COUNTY, but casting will see me as Mattie Fay. That's just the business of show. Good luck to Beanie, she's fabulous in any case.
I saw Beanie as Fanny Brice and I really enjoyed the whole performance. From a historical standpoint Fanny Brice was more a comedic genius than a singer. The haters will hate, I am glad I got to see the original cast.
@@mgmbacklot Lin Manuel Miranda looks nothing like Hamilton, so maybe that shouldn't have happened either. Let's just go back to the good old show like Miss Saigon and that wonderful kidnapping plot in Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. (I'm clearly joking and you, sir, need to take a good look at yourself and how you treat people. You comment is dually inappropriate because the most recent video you posted on your channel is of a woman singing a WONDERFUL rendition of somewhere over the rainbow. Are you saying she should not have been allowed to play Dorothy? You are a disappointment to the world of theatre because you judge the quality of an actor based on what they look like, not their ability as a professional.)
The problem is funny girl the musical wwas literally made around Barbra it needs her sort of vocal presence and power. They set beanie up for failure, it's not her fault.
Beanie is a nepotism baby, she only got this part because of her family connections. I think Lea is a powerhouse vocalist, she definitely has a tone that can be grating to some ears but even haters can't deny her talent.
@@vanessav810 That's absurd. She didn't get cast in the things she's done (and been critically praised for, not incidentally) because she is Jonah Hill's sister- he had nothing to do with Lady Bird, Booksmart, What We Do In The Shadows, or Hello, Dolly. If you don't like her, just say so, but don't pretend that she only got cast in things because of her family connections not her talent, because it isn't true.
What you have to understand about Hollywood is that they are all nepotism babies by now. To say that she only got the roll because of her dad ignores the likely doesens of other actresses who have parents and siblings with similar power and status probably would be compeating for the same roll.
I learned so much from this - thank you! I loved Glee (at first), but I never understood why everyone loved this rendition of "Don't Rain On My Parade" so much. It seemed so loud to me, and now I understand that's the result of overproduction. I love when songs really build up to that true climax - it's exciting! But this entire song sounds like it's one volume. LOUD. Thank you so much for explaining this! And the cries...also didn't know that was a thing. I grew up singing in the 80s and 90s, and that wasn't something we were taught to do (that I can remember...). It always drove me bonkers to hear it, especially so SO often. This is over a year old at this point, but I'm thankful RUclips suggested this video!
When Streisand sings “ here I am” she doesn’t sound like past Broadway singers that came before like the merms or Carol Channing. Streisand is an original, she has no need to copy others or imitate others.
@@audramcdonaldapologist3676 you are incorrect! Barbra was actually miked during the Broadway and west end run so she didn’t have to sound like the merms or that god awful Carol Channing. With being miked she didn’t need to be larger than life, she didn’t have to belt out to the nosebleed seats. I would say she is the first of the modern Broadway actors/singers. If you don’t believe me get the Time magazine issue dated April 12th,1964. BTW, she was the 2nd youngest actress at the time ever featured on the cover at 21.
I agree, Barbra Streisand is absolutely nothing like Ethel Merman or Carol Channing. If someone puts her in that category I think they really don’t get her.
@@renaemirror7662 Exactly! There was never a time that the Merms or Carol Channing weren’t larger than life, that’s why they could never make the transition from Broadway to film. People couldn’t take them for more then a few minutes on the screen here and there. A great example is the Merms in “it’s a mad, mad, world”. But that’s a totally different tangent all together. The Streisand voice is of a totally different timbre and vocal resources in my opinion. That sound she has was completely her’s and her’s alone, all that followed on Broadway and for the past 60 years are trying variations of her sound. Listen to Lupone, Peters, Menzel, and other Broadway divas after Streisand….
Must be very difficult to give this song a performance that differs from Barbra. Lillias White sang this song for the 2002 Actors Fund Benefit (it's on YT), which was uniquely different and powerful. Really worth a watch.
Just came across to this video. You got me. Yes to all the comments and to your perfectly accurate technical breakdown. Can't wait to watch more! Love from a fellow artist in Greece xxx
Hopefully LM has grown as a person , and I appreciate your attitude that we not be so judgemental about someone ‘s past such that they are set up for future failure because of past mistakes. And while perhaps not a positive thing , the reality is the vast majority of people who will go see Funny Girl will go because of the performance and entertainment value of the musical, and not because of the character of the performers.
It was really interesting to watch and listen to you doing this. The passion and know-how is really uplifting and somewhat sexy. Now I need to find more vids and even perhaps something where I get to hear your voice. Loved it and am so subscribing
Interesting that on the original Broadway cast album, Barbra does the cry thing right on "am" in "here I am." Check it out: ruclips.net/video/cg4v-wnVJHc/видео.html
MCL, you have not only a great grasp of broadway song writing theory, but are also a great voice educator (and you have a very beautiful voice yourself).
I think Beanie’s voice is good, but it’s too pretty for a role like Fanny Brice. Beanie would be amazing in a show like Once because of the kind of voice she has. I think she would be great in Little Shop of Horrors playing Audrey. Her voice to me sounds good, she can sing (her rendition of The Meadowlark is actually very sweet), but her voice is sweet and pretty, not big and boisterous the way it would need to be for certain roles. But Beanie is iconic and I will always support her because she seems like a genuinely good person.
It's interesting how you feel like Barbra doesn't trill much. I'm sure she does but it's subtle when compared to modern singers. That said, the trill at 5:08 was lifted directly from Streisand's performance in the 1968 film. Barbra (especially in early recordings) was adept and jazy vocalizations that featured, growls, trills, and riffs.
I hope this doesn't come off as too harsh, but I do believe if Beanie really had that much vocal damage and couldn't push her voice very far then she was very miscast for this role and should've never really been considered in the first place. I think that her father being a producer on the show was the priority reason she was even cast tbh. So while I do feel bad about the criticism, I do think some of it (not all of it, and especially not the fat shaming ones) is valid. Like if she cant sing the role how Fanny Brice would, then she shouldve never been on the stage in the first place, you know, seeing as the show is literally about her and the expectation of the audience is to hear a big and powerful voice.
@@Doktorlady so you're saying that there's just a "rumor" about a rich white family and their rich friends bought a role for their daughter, who lacks expertise in this role - resulting in her having a end the contract VERY early? sounds about right 😆 remember this: rich people can pay for discretion.
I love this video. I have no idea about vocal techniques, etc. but the way you explained things, I understood the basics. Will definitely watch your other vids and subbed!
It is such an unfortunate situation. What is even more unfortunate, is how much these poor actresses are compared to the likes of Barbara Streisand. Yes, she originated the part, and it catapulted her career... but that happened over half a century ago. Let it go... Can we be more evolved and forward thinking to stop comparing actors playing roles they are re-creating and comparing them to another person. EVERY actor and actress is unique and special and brings their unique gifts to each role they take on. We should not criticize them for not being the original person... they are only doing their job as an actor and creating the role as they see fit. It is disappointing that people cannot take Beanie's portrayal for face value... a gift that she is giving us with her talent, and a real shame that Broadway producers are far more interested in money instead of the arts. I am sure Lea Michele will do a wonderful job as well, but for every 'great' talent out there... there are over one hundred people out there that are even more talented, and more are being born every minute... so just enjoy what every actor brings to you.
Thing about Barbra Streisand is if I wanted to hear her version of these songsI would just watch the movie. If it’s just a copy of Barbra over and over then what’s the point of seing a live show at all?
Leas voice is so amazing. It has been always great , but now , after so many years… it’s so much better. Love her always and so happy that she is doing this. 🥰
Finally someone mentioning the “h” cry sounds! When I was a teen watching Glee I used to find that SO irritating but no one else seemed to pick up on it!
Thank you for analyzing this song and the difference of artists execution. I am preparing for my performance exam and this song is one of the songs to perform. I'm glad I found your channel. This helps me a lot. THANK YOU. XOXO
I was taught that the "cry" like scooping, was a tool to be used. But if they aren't used sparingly, they lose all effectiveness. I am sad that Beanie has been forced out of Funny Girl. I was excited about a different take from Barbra.
Loved every minute, I work in showbussines in Mexico, and had done several musicals here, Colombia and Argentina.. you are so right in your post, I saw Funny Girl when I was 7, and did not understood in my 7 years old English the lyrics But I asked my parents why do the PEOPLE went wild?.. I knew it soon. Had seen this show in London twice with the lead AND the undesrtudy .. great, and saw this one on BROADWAY.. once at the theatre where I worked here un Mexico City had the rights to do this show..impossible to make a fair translation Take care Roberto Ayala
Totally on your page about almost every point. You can tell that Lea Michele, in that clip, is almost going between Babs and Elphaba in Wicked. I hope she is working on the control, as you mentioned, with that many shows a week.
I just subscribed to your channel. The way you explained very specific technical details speaks of your teaching skills. Great communication style combined with a super solid music background. Bravo!!! 👏👏👏👏
I think she will do great, she’s a powerhouse and that’s what you need. I think it’s possible that she may have made changes from 2009 & her Tony performance in 2010. We shall see!
Great job. I wrote a blogpost about this myself last year comparing her to Streisand - and I think it's a phrase by phrase, note by note imitation. Her voice is great, and I hope that she'll make the role her own. It is ten years later, so maybe.... ? Note that the way she sings the finale "parade," she closes to the R for a full beat before she opens to the vowel. Thing I once heard about diphthongs, and it didn't pertain specifically to singing, but I like using it anyway: "When two vowels go walking, the first one does the talking."
now you've pointed out the breath thing, I can't unhear it!! Your critique is spot on however it's important to understand that the clip you're using is from Glee series 1 in 2009 - 13 years ago.
Saw Julie Benko a couple of nights ago and absolutely loved her. I would have liked to see Beanie or Lea but I don’t really think either one of them would have done a better job than Julie did. She got a standing ovation after her first song and I was close enough (lottery ticket) I could see the joy in her eyes hearing everyone cheer for her.
@@kassiogomes8498 Because I don't think Lea is funny or likable enough to act the role well. It's not just a singing part. I'm sure she's great at the singing, but Funny Girl isn't a particularly good musical (there's a reason it's been 60ish years since it was last on Broadway) and it seems really easy to make Fannie completely unlikeable. I've only seen Lea in Glee and Scream queens, so I could be wrong. And to be clear, I didn't necessarily mean I thought Lea or Beanie would be worse than Julie, just that I think she is at least on par with the big name actresses.
To be fair, I heard about how the composer behind Funny Girl composed the parts of Fanny Brice around Barbara's abilities, and that's just not right. XD That's like composing a freaking opera set to the skills of Paganini. It's like holding high school students at athletic events to the abilities of Olympic gold medalists. That's just not fair. XD
So pleased to hear your informed and fair analysis. Re: Lea Michelle-- it bothers me that people are eager to destroy a career/person based upon general allegations that she is not a good person which basically amount to: "my feelings were hurt."
I love when people do back-to-back comparisons of the Lea Michelle version vs. the Naya Rivera version (also from Glee). Naya knocks it down into her mezzo range but I really love her voice. Would you consider doing one?
Isn't Barbra a Mezzo too? But yeah Naya is a lower Mezzo. DROMP is not an easy song, but it's still in Mezzo range. It's just the song is quite acrobatic. CMIIW
Correction Mimi Hines was Babs replacement after she left and the shoe (with Mimi) ran another year & Roz Harris toured with show for years. Proving that this is NOT strictly a Streisand showcase. It’s the critics who are claiming it’s a only a Streisand vehicle (just like they claimed Gypsy was strictly a Merman Vehicle and was not revived on bway till Angela Lansbury gave it a whirl) The audience is telling every theater PRO “No” we like the show even without BS. Beanies understudy, Julie Benko, is a real bway belter that lands every song. She is spectacular and will be understudying Lea Michelle as well as doing Thursday night performances. I bet Julie Benko is the real star and the other two can’t even come close
Thank you for your simple yet lovely analysis, and for your commentary on this whole situation. Absolutely love your infectious energy and can't wait to see more videos! :D
If she goes on to sing like that, bashing her cords, 6/7 performances a week, I predict she'll be off with nodules within a few months. And Julie Benko, once again, will be performing a lot more than scheduled
The only comparison should be when Lea Michele actual performs the part of Fanny Brice on Broadway. Why should she perform it exactly like Ms. Streisand? She’ll then be criticized for “copying” her. The point being let us not criticize Lea Michele before she performs and for who she is as a person. I’m sure there are a few wonderful performers who are not the best of people. Give her a chance. After her first few performances, come back and critique.
Well for me the bottom line question regarding Beanie is -Was she right for the role to begin with? Was she the one? What were producers thinking? And how this beloved role and these beloved songs would be received if less than stellar? Not Beanies fault. She gave what she could give. But I do think she was done wrong From the start in the offering. IMHO
I have just returned from a NYC trip where I saw 4 shows. With all the negative attention on Funny Girl, it was lower on my list; However, a Covid cast outbreak in a different show I was supposed to see freed me up to see Beanie Feldstein in the Funny Girl matinee on the same day she announced her earlier departure (Sunday). All the people around me shared the same initial concern before the show began. Several of us (who got last-minute tickets) had seriously upgraded seats designated by the usher (I'm sure not a good indicator). Nonetheless... The show was fabulous! Every aspect was great. The staging was impressive, the comedic timing was great, the chemistry between Beanie and Ramim was good, Beanie's vocals were wonderful, and her dancing was great. Jane was fabulous too. The audience gave multiple applauses mid-show and a resounding much-deserved standing ovation at the end. I don't know if it was due to changes because of all the criticism over the past several months or if it was simply the criticism was too harsh comparing Beanie to a freak prodigy (Streisand) - to which how many Streisand-calibre stars have there been in the past 50+ years?!!? Even Idina Menzel's performance at the Kennedy Awards to Barbra herself (while incredible) was not quite Barbra'esque. Beanie should not be compared to anyone! Allow Beanie to tell the story of Fanny Brice - the actual protagonist in this true-life story, not try and retell Barbra's caricature of Fanny. I feel so bad for Beanie! She doesn't deserve any of this... and I enjoyed the show very much!
I knew nothing about the controversy or either actor but clicked on this because my little sister was literally just singing this (it's currently the centerpiece of her audition repertoire) and I was curious how she compared. Ended up being even more relevant when you started talking about Beanie's struggles with vocal damage because my sister had issues with her voice about a year ago and is still having to be extra careful. I don't know any of the technical terms but my sister's issues were luckily not as severe or permanent as they could have been so she can still belt and everything, she just has to be careful about it. Anyways, this was very interesting and I love how compassionate you are to both Beanie and Lea. You're totally right that people need to be given room to grow as people and not be permanently shackled to mistakes made when they were young and immature and Beanie may not have been the best casting choice to achieve the same kind of vocals Barbara Streisand did but it does seem like people are being harsher than necessary so I'm sending virtual hugs to her.
... except that Ms. Michele is lip-syncing here while filming, and so it's impossible to comment on her actual vowel/mouth shapes as nobody filmed her singing the actual track to which she is lip-syncing in this filmed segment. Lots of great analysis here otherwise!
I suspected so. Thanks for pointing that out. Again, which makes me wonder how wunder-Michelle will handle seven shows a week--and Parade is only ONE of the blockbuster arias in FG!
@@jamessampson7175 ...much better than BF had, I'll tell you that. check her attendance record and see for yourself. LM has experience leading a Broadway production, and she did the Glee tours. she has the stamina. she only lip-sync'd because that's how it's done did for scripted TV. likeeeeee... ??? 🤦🤦🤦 say LM is a racist/meanie/bitch/whatever; but don't come for the girl's chops when the ONLY reason BF is up on that stage is nepotism. I'd go as far to say LM is *singlehandedly* responsible for the renewed interest in Funny Girl, and she should have been headlining a post-Glee revival.
A better example would be live at the Tonys. She basically mimicked the scene but you could hear how straining the song is. No one does it like Barbra.
Also another difference between Beanie’s and Lea is Lea has a bigger mouth and bigger airway due to her facial structure and Beanie has a smaller narrow mouth and facial structure so yes Lea will be able to belt much more than Beanie can.
Whilst the critics have been unkind, I'm not sure what Beanie expected after basically being given the role since her father is one of the producers. She didn't audition for the role, she wasn't chosen because she was the best singer/actor who auditioned. She was simply lucky enough to have been given the role. Lea Michele seems like the right person for the role, she looks the part and has a strong enough voice to be compared to Barbra.
This cannot be stressed enough. IF true, that she was given the role. I get that lots of people are TIP-TOEing around Beanie's performance, because she's so nice. And that says a lot about Beanie. But, her voice is tiny, girly (like a 5 year old), nasally, and not powerful. Which is disappointing and underwhelming for the STAR of this show. This is NOT being mean. This is acknowledging that people are paying a large sum of money for great performances and overall a great musical. She was miscast and should not be in this role.
@@captainKbobkeeshan THANK YOU! I think theres a really clear line between being mean and simply commenting on a performance. It's not at all mean to say Beanie's voice is nasal and not powerful because we can all hear those qualities in her voice! Lea Michele is truly one of the few people who are capable of being compared to Barbra! I think Beanie would do great in other shows, if she'd even get cast after being fired from Funny Girl!
@@kelseighingram Maybe. But, connections are a real thing. I find it inexplicable why she would be chosen to open a musical like that versus a "name". Especially, after the Ben Platt 90th Sondheim collab on "It Takes Two." I don't think that showed her in a favorable light for the Funny Girl role. From that, I could see her being cast as the Little Red Riding role in "Into the Woods". And even with that I"m concerned about Beanie being able to power through on the vocals. Bonnie Milligan should have been given the shot for Funny Girl. She's got the pipes, sass, presence. But is she connected? Or someone else that exudes presence and power vocals.
I liked your vocal analysis of Lea Michele. She is an incredible vocalist and I have heard her perform other Barbra songs which are better than this. The song I'm thinking of is called "Being Good Isn't Good Enough." But the thing about Streisand's performance in Funny Girl which sets such an impossibly high bar is that Streisand never sounds like a singer who is performing. In her rendition of "Don't Rain on my Parade," Streisand's vocal strength is not only unstoppable and like a locomotive which builds in intensity straight through to the end, but the emotion crackles with raw emotion, it's not like she's performing to impress which is really what makes Streisand unique and in a league of her own which will probably never be replicated.
maybe that was supposed to be her character because she loved Barbra but on another episode when lea michele sings OH MY MAN...she is completely emulating BArbra version, from the face movements to the crying, i for one found it annoying.
Interesting analysis! I'm looking forward to learning a lot through your vocal analyses. I just want to address the rumor that's running through the comments (and elsewhere): The idea that Feldstein's father/brother were producers or huge financial backers of the show, and that's why she got the role. A disclaimer: the amount of emotional investment that I have regarding either "Funny Girl," Lea Michele or Beanie Feldstein is so incredibly distant from existing that neither the Hubble or Webb telescopes would be able to locate it. TBH, I find FG incredibly dull, aside from Streisand's voice and one or two songs. Well, mostly just "My Man." And that isn't even original. Meanwhile, I'm embarrassed to say that I never heard of Feldstein until the ads for the revival made a fuss of her. And from what I heard filtered through the egregiously obvious autotune/overproduction on Glee, Lea Michele has a great voice but I have neither hate nor love for her. Vaguely heard the accusations but am staying out of all that. So, all that said... These "omg Beanie only got the role 'cause her dad bankrolled the whole show!" rumors and accusations are rife through various comment sections or theater communities but the truth is, *there is no reputable source for this.* Seriously. If you have it, bring it, please! The term "several sources" isn't good enough. Find me two that aren't anonymous posts on a theater forum. If a research/musical theater historian like Brendon Henderson from the "Wait in the Wings" YT channel couldn't find any evidence of this, I don't think it exists. (See his pinned note on the video w/his unpacking whole ugly situation in his essay here: ruclips.net/video/RhCmNCAxw8c/видео.html ) Was Feldstein a bad choice? Maybe? Probably? If I were casting someone in the role my choice would've been Rachel Bloom, who's both a strong singer, a funny actress who doesn't fit the super-slim mold, doesn't mind playing down her looks or being self-deprecating (something I don't see Lea Michele doing) and hey, Jewish to boot. But that's me. Frankly Bloom would've been the only person who'd make me marginally interested in seeing this thing. Anyway she'd likely have been seen as less of a mistake, castingwise. But casting mistakes happen all the time. We don't need to make up some BS about nepotism when there's simply no proof. Anyway thanks again, Mateo! (Sorry if I misheard your name.) I'll definitely be checking out the Into the Woods video as well as your others. Just one suggestion? I think you hit the same points too many times, past the point of necessity--especially Michele's gasp/cry thing. You gave some great examples early on and made it easier to notice... but then kept on and on and on. Trust your audience--and your own ability to have taught us what to listen for! Best of luck with future videos!
Check out her version of “My man” from funny girl. It was AMAZING. She performed it live at a Barbra Streisand tribute concert (in front of Barbra) and she did great (she must have been nervous but it almost didn’t show). You could perhaps listen to the Glee performance and then the live at tribute to hear how it’s almost the same
Of course My Man was never part of the original Funny Girl score but was added into the film as Fanny Brice traditionally closed her live shows with that eleven o’clock song by French composer Maurice Yvain. It replaced The Music That Makes Me Dance, a lovely ballad, which has been restored to the show.
I'm interested to see how she sounds in this production. On Glee, she was playing a teenage character singing DROMP. Everyone's worried she's going to do a bad Barbra impression, but she's now 10+ years older and a more mature artist being directed by someone else. I feel like she will bring a lot more nuance to this role than people are giving her credit for.
before Glee, LM was a celebrated Broadway performer in her own right (Spring Awakening, 2006 OBC). she'll be fine.
Lea has NO COMIC TIMING
@@donchey51 ...wut? lol
@@donchey51 I don’t necessarily think that’s true. She could be super funny on glee
Hope you’re correct! Guess we’ll see. 😊
I love Beanie Feldstein, but she was totally miscast in this role (in my opinion). When Barbra Streisand was cast in the role of Fanny Brice, the songs were basically written to take advantage of her incredible voice. The Funny Girl story is pretty weak, so it really is all about the songs/voice. That may not be fair, but it is what it is. Again, just my opinion. I wish Lea Michele success as she steps into the role of Fanny Brice and I also wish Beanie much success in her future endeavors.
EXACTLY TY!
You should have used Lea's performance at the Tony Awards live instead of the engineered sound from the Glee recording. Probably the vocal coaching she will be getting during the summer before her Broadway premiere will correct the particulars you brought up. It will be interesting to see how the peformance changes then. Good analysis of she & Beanie's performance differences.
While I would never presume to start a comment with the phrase “you should”, I do agree with Larry. I don’t think it’s fair to judge Lea Michelle playing Rachel Berry singing this song. Her version at the Tony Awards was different and is a better indicator of what we might see in September. That being said, I’ve worked in film and television for over 25 years, and I knew the stories about Lea’s unfortunate behavior choices well before they came to light in recent years. Let’s hope she’s learned some lessons, and exhibits more of the grace and kindness she has exhibited on occasion. This was an excellent review! Thank you!
I recall that performance and wasn’t impressed. Maybe because she was moving up and down the aisle, but I didn’t care for it
Aye, but only if she's open to receiving the training. 🌝
If she's got the same snotty attitude towards people she deems to be "less" than her, like vocal coaches, I feel sorry for every idiot who bought a ticket to see her show, but got seats way at the back: they will never hear her. XD
@@Fidgetym42 well he really should. It isn't a lie.
I am learning to sing, and I heard the gasped “ha” before singing is a cheat to activate the diaphragm, it’s supposed to be a beginners trick and when you get more experienced you’re meant to drop it but most people don’t break the habit.
I think Michele has since toned down on the vocal cries. Also, the songs were written for Barbara Streisand, so although different interpretations are welcome it appears that if you deviate from the Streisand belts of the songs, you deviate from what the songs are meant to be. There will always be backlash if you choose to interpret the song another way without the necessary artistic justification that can be found in the rest of the production. I don't know what beanie did, but it also appears like the character of Fanny Bryce has to be a belter, because of how much passion she has for becoming a star.
I read that Jules Styne didn't want Ray Stark's top contender Anne Bancroft to get the part of Brice, so he wrote songs that only Streisand, who was also being considered, could sing.
2:14 - THANK YOU!!! I'm not ashamed to admit I was a Glee fan, particularly Lea Michele, right up to the end. _However,_ I also must say that I grew to _hate_ that sound!
That crying squeak is a valuable tool for expressing sadness, anger, etc. Unfortunately, in this case, it became so ubiquitous in her performances that I genuinely began to wonder,
"Can she start a phrase _without_ that sound, or does she actually _lack_ the ability _not_ to (metaphorically) crack the door a bit before opening it all the way."
Another technical issue with _this_ performance is that she occasionally breathes in the middle of phrases...and even the final word, "Pa," (breath), "rade!" (But now I'm nit picking.)
As for Beanie Feldstein, it's not that her voice is _objectively bad;_ it's that it's _comparatively smaller_ that the voice we've been conditioned to expect...if not demand.
With regard to Lea Michile's "divazilla" attitude and treatment of her Glee cast mates, I'm with you. I don't want to live in a world where we continue to punish people for (non-criminal) things they did _years_ ago...IF they have, in fact, changed. Along that line, when was the last time we heard a story about Lea's _recent_ bad behavior. It's been awhile. Yeah?
Lea has A LOT of live performances of this song you could check one of those instead. Good video btw
I’m really surprised you didn’t use a live performance of Lea Michele’s “Don’t Rain on My Parade” to give a more accurate assessment.
However, I worked with Lea michele, very briefly, for a performance on American idol. When I worked with her, she was wonderful and was an absolute pleasure to work with. No signs of any worrisome “Rachel Barry” attitude and I was very pleasantly surprised. I really hope that this means she truly has come a long way from wherever she may have been many years before.
Omg Ada I was just thinking about how so supportive she seemed to be toward you when you guys performed together! I have faith!
@@barch6232 she really was incredibly kind. Even when the cameras were off and we weren’t on set.
Oh hey queen workin on doing less runs and fine tuning those tones? Love ya😘
Ada, you are a class act. That was one of my favorite AI performances, and Lea (rightfully) held back to let your vocals shine. I wish more people would read this comment, and realize that people can grow and change. Hopefully, Lea has.
I also wish he used a live version, because with Glee versions of any musical theatre, I have to ask about how much pitch correction there is, because there is some very obvious songs that have pitch correction.
Just saw Beanie's last performance earlier today. She had some lovely moments at the end that were well acted and very emotional, but clearly was never up to the singing demands of this role. In addition to power, range is a huge issue for her - Beanie can't belt nearly as high up the scale as Lea, let alone Barbra. As a result, she sang some songs fully in head voice (e.g. People) and chose lower notes in some instances for songs that she fully belted. I was also taken aback that Ramin in some instances was singing the melody while Beanie was singing lower harmony parts, which seemed due to her not having the notes. The level of artistry in singing you see with so many Broadway actors - choosing different colors, ornamentations, etc. in the voice - also just wasn't there. This is by no means Beanie's fault - she doesn't have the years of training and experience other headliners have as she's spent most of her career acting only. I do think she never should have been cast in this role and it was really unfair to her. I felt the same thing after hearing Katrina Lenk - a far better singer - in Company, a role that was just too high for her.
Katrina Lenk wasn’t good in Company?
I agree and to me..Beanie seems to come off so young..very sweet though and I wish her the best...
They should have NOT set her up to fails mentioned ,to sing songs written for Ms S- ! Then again, i think my ego would go against my intuition that this isn't going to work it was for Beanie also a life long dream to do "Funny Girl" At all cost-and unfortunatrley it was costly SUCH HATE in our world,WHY shame anyone, but especially Beanie- SHAME ON HATERS!
8:40 so the thing I’m hearing with Beanie is that her placement is nasal, which is actually not good technique. Singing nasally and singing with forward placement are often confused, the difference being one is poor technique that stifles the sound and creates that nasal tone, while the other is strong technique that sounds clear and amplifies the sound. Jessica Vosk is a great example of someone with that perfect forward placement that just rings out for eons
Jesica vosk is like actually perfect
Let us not forget that Lea Michele has been a Broadway star since she was a child.
And Shirley Temple was a child star but what happened later?
@@jayhartbarger2793 my point was that this was not new for Lea Michelle. You missed my point, it would seem. Besides, no one could dance like Shirley could as a six year old and then she grew into a lovely but not very charismatic teenager.
@@jayhartbarger2793 She became a US Ambassador.
@@jayhartbarger2793 Later, she walked away.
Shirley was talented and had massive charisma, unlike like Lea.
I'm a big fan of Beanie, but to be fair, it's not just her lack of power or belting that is underwhelming people. She doesn't have the best tone and tone can make up for a lot of other attributes. I believe people would be disappointed with her vocals regardless of the Barbara comparison. Also, this is more of a Rachel Berry analysis than a Lea Michele one in my opinion. On Glee I'm sure she was told exactly how to sing it. I think Lea will be fantastic on Broadway. Many actors in Hollywood do far worse things than be difficult on set as a young adult without so much as a blink, so I don't think her real-life personality has anything to do with if she'll be right for the role. Beanie has a history with her voice for sure, but she's the leading lady on Broadway- the bar should be very high. Great analysis video!
Definitely a fair analysis! Thanks Daniel!
"I think Lea will be fantastic on Broadway" ...you should check out Spring Awakening (2006, OBC) 😉 she was excellent.
@@apatouros7572 There's a bootleg recording of her and J Groff's final performances in Spring Awakening, her first verse in Those You've Known always wows me when I rewatch it ruclips.net/video/3R2kvWjUJ1w/видео.html
@@Pastadudde oh my god... Those You've Known 😭😭😭😭 I'll be a blubbering.mess!!! that's for the link, friend!
Didn't she sing DROMP at the Tonys one year?
i can't help but getting goosebumps on my arms when i hear lea michelle's final notes singing this song
Interesting. I'm curious about how the comedy bits and the more intimate songs sound. Lea Michele can belt the big power numbers, I'm sure; but I wonder if she can be funny or particularly charming as a character? The quality she tends to project feels more like angst and wanting to prove herself, rather than being a little off-beat, vulnerable, and endearing.
If you've watched her on Glee or in the Funny Girl scenes she did on Glee, you'd see she absolutely has the ability to play the role.
Watch her sing My Man or Where are You Now. They are beautiful. Her singing The greatest Star was good too
She was amazing in Spring Awakening and as Cossette in Le Miz. Both of those require nuanced stage acting. Comedy in harder than drama but I think her acting will be the actual suprise from the show. We know she is a singer. She gets to show her comedic acting chops.
Let me start out by saying I'm not a big fan of Lea's. She has that whiny Disney Princess sound that I've always found annoying. And yes, that "cry" before almost every phrase is definitely over the top. Just like you mentioned, it can work in certain moments, but by using it all the time it loses its strength. Now without going further, I had to remember this was quite a while ago, and might not even be worth spending too much more time on. There's been a lot of years and a lot of growing up and vocal maturity since this performance on Glee. I Googled it to find out what year she did this song. It was 2009. So that's 13 years ago. She was 22 then and she's 35 now. A lot can change!
I'm curious what she'll sound like today and more than likely with different direction. But to answer your question... "Is Lea Michele really that much better?" Vocally, a big yes! Whether I like her style of singing or not, she is a singer. Beanie is not a singer. Sure, she can carry a tune. But this is Broadway! Her singing voice doesn't sound much better than some of the high school kids I've directed in their musicals.
Anyway, I do like Beanie. She has a very charming personality and is a very good comedic actress. But she did not have the instrument to carry a whole B'way show on her shoulders. Without an amazing Fanny Brice, the show runs out of steam real quick! That's the main reason nobody's taken a chance on bringing it back to B'way since the '60s. It needs a phenomenal actress with a phenomenal voice! There were so many known actresses that were offered the role way before they got Streisand. And they all turned it down because they couldn't handle the score. You see, Jule Styne, the composer, was told by some friends of his that he has got to check out this girl they just saw performing downtown in a little night club. She was just so good and so original. And so, he went. By this point he was willing to listen to anybody. And he was not disappointed! He fell in love that very night with the girl who had already dropped the middle "A" from her first name. But when he brought back this fantastic news that he's found their lead, the rest of them weren't as thrilled with the idea. They didn't want to take a chance with a virtually unknown singer, even though she had already done her first B'way musical in I Can Get It For You Wholesale. But even though she got rave reviews, it was a supporting role. And she was young, only 19 when Wholesale opened! And she would only be 21 at the time FG would open. Too much of a chance for a leading role on B'way, and a leading role who would be virtually on stage the entire show! So, what I'm getting at is that Jule Styne wanted Barbra. And he knew she had a very big vocal range. So, when finishing the score, he allegedly opened up the range on all the songs! The ranges for all Fanny's songs ended up being so wide and difficult to sing, well, like I said, everybody else turned it down, and he got his Barbra! Lol!
So, my point is I haven't the foggiest idea how they thought Beanie was going to handle such a score. And in the end, she couldn't do it justice. Oh, and just to give you some background on myself so you would know I come from some professional experience. I'm a voice teacher/vocal coach here in NYC with a masters in piano and vocal performance. And I've had some students make it to B'way, Off B'way, tours and recordings. Sorry if that sounded a bit braggy. And also sorry for the lengthy post! It's hard to stop when talking about the field I'm in and love! Your passion shows as well. Good luck with your shows and future endeavors!
I chose to go see Funny Girl in previews because I adore Ramin Karimloo. When I saw the FG trailer that you are using here, I thought 'oh dear'. When I went to the theatre, I desperately wanted to like Beanie. While she was much better than you see in the trailer, she just didn't have the voice required for most of the songs. I've heard others sing these songs well, so it isn't just a comparison to Barbra. (In fact, in the second act, there is a short reprise of "People" where Ramin sings one line AMAZINGLY, only emphasizing how mediocre Beanie's voice is.
Also, I didn't know about Beanie's voice problems when she was younger. All the more reason not to cast her in the first place.
THE CRY SOUND! Thank you!!!!! Whenever I spoke about her in my music classes (7-12 all girls), I always mention the "hitch" or "Hiccup" when she phonates. They all loved her, and I will admit that she is talented, but the cry sound drives me nuts. ANd I'm now going to compare her to Babs. Yes, Jule Styne was writing the FG score for her. There are layers and just a depth to Babs' voice that Lea does not have. Lea was a wonderful Cosette, but I'll wait to see what the word of mouth is when she takes over the role of Fanny Brice.
Thank God it’s just not me. I don’t know why people say Lea is a great singer. She does that cry sound excessively.
It’s called a “catch”, isn’t it?
I'm so old I remember how how our vocal coaches had us rounding all our notes, singing through the facial mask, and stopping any vibrato.
I'm not really fond of modern warbling, sounds so overdone.
shit I can't unheard the little cry at the begining of every verse she sings now, this has forever changed me, I love the review
You are amazing and so right about both performers. Unfortunately, Beanie Feldstein was miscast. I saw her in Hello Dolly and she was lovely. She brought that supporting role to life and made it unforgettable. In my opinion, she’s a great character actress who takes a supporting role and makes it shine. Lea Michele (and thank you for giving her a chance) will be an amazing Fanny Brice. Let’s hope she has matured and learned some important lessons in life. Thank you. Your music theatre theory is outstanding.
I think Beanie did a great Fanny Brice. Lea will probablg do a great Barbara. It’s all down to what you prefer.
@@ghoularty2030 and Barbra is the greatest Fanny Brice so Lea will be an amazing Fanny Brice.
Admittedly, how was her singing in Hello, Dolly? I'm assuming she could handle those songs, since the character she played wasn't the main female role, or even the secondary female role.
She is already a broadway star. She was the lead in Spring Awaking.
THIS!!! and in 2006, before Glee. does no one remember Spring Awakening?? that shit was SOOOO good when I was in high school... are we just getting old now?! 😭
@@apatouros7572 LOVE LOVE LOVE
He literally lacks a ridiculous amount of credibility🤣💀🗣
With your discussion of Beanie's vocal choices, I wonder if at any point the director or producers told her to "make the role her own". I can think of several productions or revivals where the actor was encouraged to take risks with character development because they wanted to make the show unique, even if it had a history or classic role. It would be unfortunate if Beanie was told to make the role her own and put her spin on the character, and then she gets slammed by the critics and canned by the producers for doing exactly what she was told to do. Is the role so iconic that no one can perform it unless they're channeling Barbra? I feel like Beanie got the shaft no matter what, but I also wonder if she wasn't set up for failure based on expectations around the show that had nothing to do with her.
Yessssss!!!
I personally would love to see Beanie originate the role of Mama Cass in a new jukebox musical based on her life and music.
Her voice isn’t good enough for that.
She doesn't sound like Mama Cass tho
@@saaaaltydaaalty310 I don't particularly think she has a settled tone or personal style of voice yet. I believe she is rather good at taking on styles and tones. I think with a little practice and immersion research, she could do well.
Beanie needs to be cast in HAIRSPRAY!!!
Beanie is completely the wrong fach for this. Cass was a contralto. Beanie is a soprano, and therein lies the problem. Lea is a mezzo belter...
I really appreciate that your analysis is understandable to people who are not music experts. Even more, I appreciate your balanced and kind perspective on the performers. We need more people like you speaking up and less people just waiting for the slightest chance to tear others apart.
The thumbnail made it look like this would be a harsh analysis but you're actually really sweet, I loved this
Great vocal analysis of the two singers. And thanks for mentioning how over-produced the Glee vocal soundtracks were. When Michele sang it at the Tony's she did struggle a bit and pushed in the bigger moments, but it could have been nerves. Either way, she's a skilled singer, and like Streisand has a smaller evenly produced instrument which the microphone loves so it doesn't distort as quickly in the louder moments. Mic'ing and recording the truly larger voices in MT and opera is very difficult from the production end, even with newer technology and software. Loved your mention of the 1950's brighter/brassier vowel sound in MT, a lot of that was to get the voice to project in the theaters pre-1965 mic age. We're now many generations into singing with mic's, and it's allowed folk to use more natural spoken vowel shapes as well as varied and expressive register blends that would never have projected in the old days.
You’ve got to remember Lea Michelle is acting here. When you watch her perform this outside of glee specific events there is a lot less of the beginning of the note ‘cry’. This Performance is being given by Rachel Berry, not Lea Michelle. To assume Lea would make these same choices is wrong.
I don’t know… even when she sings outside of Glee (her live performance at the Tony Awards, for example) she uses a lot of “cry” sound. For this reason I’m inclined to think it’s a Lea Michele signature sound, and not just an affectation she puts on for Rachel, you know?
@@MusicTheatreTheory it is a Lea signature sound, sure, but she doesn't overdo it as much in her own performances. Rachel Berry uses it, abuses it, overuses it... lea chooses her use of cries much better.
Check out her performance of DROMP from around 3/4 years ago and her tour with Darren Criss.
Nice try. Not buying that her sloppy singing habits are her fully inhabiting a character since she sings the same way in all contexts.
@@MusicTheatreTheory true, this “cry” is Lea’s signature singing inflection. That’s why I’m not a big fan. It gets tiring
I really enjoyed the way you did the switch screen analysis of Don't Rain on My Parade with Beanie vs. Lea. I know virtually nothing about music theatre theory, but I know what I like, and I really like, no love, Barbra Streisand. When Funny Girl was revived on Broadway I wanted to see it, but I didn't know much about Beanie. I pulled up a trailer of her singing Don't Rain on My Parade and, while I know and accept there's only one Barbra, I was underwhelmed. Not only that, I think I would have been disappointed had I gone to Broadway. Perhaps Lea is a b---h, no comment, but I really don't care, she's not a friend, family, or co-worker. When I spend my time and hard-earned money for a show, I want to have my socks knocked off. Now that I've watched your analysis, I think I will go see Funny Girl with Lea Michele. Thanks for sharing, and, btw, your teaching voice has a pretty wide range too.
Interesting! I wish it was a reaction to a live performance though, like on tour or the tony awards
Thank you for pointing out that people should be allowed to grow and learn from their past 👏👏👏
Thanks for sharing the info about Beanie’s early vocal damage and technique rebuilding. It’s not something I’ve not heard anyone else bring up in the midst of reporting/analyzing this and goes a long way towards explaining why she would be both vocally cautious and selective of a perhaps narrower range of choices in order to protect the voice. Sharing this, alone, convinced me to subscribe to your channel as “a voice” really worth listening to.
I’m sorry we couldn’t have heard more of Beanie in the role online, particularly as I’m not sure whether the OBC recording has been, or will be, released under these circumstances, I’m intrigued by the few clips you played to hear whether, more objectively, her sound and approach really could serve the music (separate from the Barbra expectations) after all. That said, your analysis certainly leads me to believe that vocally the score shakes out as “Lea Michelle, 2: Beanie Feldstein, 1”.
But based on “ ... belt the ever-loving POOP out of it” -
YOU win! ;) :D
it's a reach.
Both actresses have a little-girl quality to their singing and most likely, it's because they started performing at a very young age. When Lea opens up and belts she sounds really good but not that whine/cry at the beginning of her phrases. That should be a big N.O. when performing a piece that was A) Written in the MidCentury and B) Evokes an even earlier time when Disney Princess-style singing was unheard of. Fanny Brice was a formidable WOMAN (as is Barbra Streisand) and she was also an elegant woman in real life--nothing like the characters she played in the Follies.
I don’t think I’ve ever commented on a RUclips video, but your analysis and explanation were so fascinating, insightful and well-presented that I just had to say, “Great frigging job!”
The famous older Broadway performers performed with no mikes. I saw Ethel Merman in Hello Dolly and the show was miked, but Merman sang two songs in the runway with the mikes off, and she was magnificent.
THANK YOU for mentioning the rampant use of pitch correction, compressors and limiters in Glee’s music. It always, always drove me crazy and all the songs just felt neutered and lifeless to me as a result. It was more maddening than Lea Michelle’s cry 😂
It’s not just Glee, of course - it’s a major issue with practically all big, glossy Hollywood production these days. The live-action Beauty and the Beast movie’s soundtrack was just completely unlistenable to me due to everyone (but mainly Emma Watson) sounding like a computer, rather than a human. You should do a video on this topic if you can think of enough to talk about and enough examples to compare/contrast!
The thing is, Fanny Brice was a real woman with a distinctive voice of her own. Streisand had a distinct and rich voice of her own, but she managed to capture some of Brice's charm and style. It probably helped that Garson Kanin and several others directly involved in the production knew Fanny Brice and were able to guide Streisand into picking up her qualities without devolving into a parody of Fanny Brice.
Michele leans so heavily into Streisand's interpretation as Rachel Berry, that I have no idea how she'll do as Fanny.
Also, I'd love to hear a comparison with the late Naya Rivera's performance of the song on Glee.
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She sang this live on the Glee Concert. You should have picked up that video, not the one from Glee.
I do agree with a lot of what you said, but I keep saying this to all of these people commenting because they are pissed Lea Michele is replacing her. The truth of the matter is, you can’t take what a couple people say on set as fact and judge her for it. Also, it’s exactly right that she should be allowed to be human and people should leave Glee in the past and focus on how she acts moving forward. She also didn’t dismiss what people said about her and call them out for it, but she apologized for the way her actions may have been taken, and I think she handled it in a mature manner. Everyone has people they may not get along with, and negativity is what goes viral, so I think people need to take accusations with a grain of salt and not believe it as fact. I am excited and happy for Lea Michele, and I am sick of people trying to now put Lea Michele down because of her past and accusations, while there were a lot of concerns regarding Beanie being chosen simply based on nepotism which isn’t right and if you look into how she got the role, I think it’s also problematic. Why are people not discussing the problems with Beanie being chosen for the role in the first place? People love to ignore that, and just trash Lea Michele. I think Beanie gave her own version of Fanny Brice and so will Lea Michele, and there is room for both of them :)
PLEASE do a Barbra analysis next (any song honestly). This is fantastic!
By the way, New subscriber here from Perth , Western Australia, and your analysis of the song MADE ME DO It! Thank you!
Regarding the 'open mouth' full voice of Lea....please remember that Glee used all pre-recorded soundtracks and lip-syncing, so, as you probably already know singers tend to over-act the mouth when lip syncing. Except Barbra. She did the opposite. PS: Ya' married? LOL
I think it’s such a shame that Beanie is leaving so soon. I saw her last month and she was wonderful and she had some very powerful vocal moments where she opened up, I think if she had more time to truly settle into the role vocally people would be saying kinder things. Cause Fanny has a million things to do, and doing it 7/8 times a week I assume would be exhausting and finding the best way to sing the score so much can take a while. I’ve heard many an actor talk about adjusting their sound to produce the best sound, while still delivering what’s expected. I truly believe if Beanie had her full initial run she would have found the right balance.
BF looks nothing like Fanny Brice.
@@mgmbacklot ok so I sense body shaming here, so that’s gross. Also. If you think Lea looks any more like Fanny than Beanie does, you’re just even more wrong than you’re initial comment was. Lea may look more like Streisand, but even Streisand is Not Fanny Brice.
@@robwilliamson5082 any actress that plays FB has to deliver on her iconic funny face. FB had a rather scrawny frame; but I don't really care if the actress is fat as long as she can give me FB's "look".
it's 2022, y'all. Lizzo is up there shaking that big fat ass and changing the world. we are here for the big girls. BF was a disaster, and it wasn't because she's fat.
BF might have had this role handed to her on a silver platter, but nepotism can't help fatigue. there's no way that voice would be able to do more than 20-30 shows. BF's understudy is one lucky girl!
All I’m reading here are a lot of excuses why Beanie couldn’t cut the mustard. Let’s just call her hiring nepotism and move on.
@@robwilliamson5082 I have Zero support for Lea, she's a cold and snotty person, i know this from interacting with her during the production of glee. The original production of funny girl was more a star vehicle for Streisand than, an accurate bio of Fanny. I'm not body shaming here. You wouldn't hire danny devito to play jack skelington. Who would accept that casting?
Great analysis!
I don't think Leah has anything like the richness or texture to her voice of Streisand, but she channels her well and will do a fine job on Broadway.
Beanie has a lot of charm which I think made her characterization work, not only acting-wise but vocally too, at least to a degree.
She was a bit heavy for the role- not because we don't want to see a plus-size actress, but because Fanny was a real person who wasn't heavy, it's something we know about her.
I'm glad Beanie was given a chance to put her unique stamp on this great role, and look forward to Leah doing the same.
While it’s true that the real Fanny Brice wasn’t heavy, my perspective on this is… well, the real Fanny Brice also didn’t break out into “Don’t Rain On My Parade” at a train station. Since we are seeing a fictionalized representation, it is valid (and maybe even adds additional depth to the story) to cast someone who doesn’t look like the real person they’re representing.
Look at the casting of Hamilton, for example: there is something incredibly reclamatory and powerful about casting BIPOC performers to play white men who owned slaves. Similarly, I think Beanie’s casting adds a new dimension to the story, making it relevant to today. Think about this: Fanny faced a lot of obstacles in show biz due to her appearance as a Jewish woman, similar to how plus-size performers face a lot of those obstacles in show biz today!
@@MusicTheatreTheory The musical HAMILTON was explicitly constructed with the device of depicting historical Caucasian characters as African-American. The use of hip hop, rap and race is its' central conceit.
It doesn't resonate with everybody, but plenty find it brilliant and exciting.
FUNNY GIRL wasn't conceived that way.
This is a revival, not an original work.
That should be respected.
Non-traditional casting can often be great, but it can also be distracting and confusing.
There is room for all points of view, in any case, and we will have to agree to disagree.
@@MusicTheatreTheory I love this breakdown! I definitely think your point about her facing struggles as a plus size woman being analogous to Fanny Brice facing discrimination as a Jewish woman in a time that was much more anti-Semitic is a great point. Funny Girl is based on a true story and a real person (like Hamilton was) but adapting certain elements to resonate better in a modern climate is a great route for storytelling. I love your take on this! I think for both the sake of representation and its role in modernizing the tale, a plus size woman playing Fanny Brice makes complete sense and should not be discounted because the "real" Fanny Brice (and mind you, this is a fictionalized version of her character this isn’t a biopic) was slim.
I thought the casting of a bigger actress was actually perfect. Fanny was so far from the ideals of beauty that were seen on the stage back then. Now we have more people with "ethnic" features on stage so getting someone who looked exactly like Fanny wouldn't really carry the same impact. But we don't see big women in leading roles on stage, so the spirit is the same even if her weight isn't historically accurate.
@@lazenbear I'm a plus-size actress and I remain unconvinced that the audience has such a metaphysical attitude that they see Beanie's weight as a symbol of the anti-Semitic oppression Fanny faced. I may be great reading Vi in AUGUST, OSAGE COUNTY, but casting will see me as Mattie Fay.
That's just the business of show.
Good luck to Beanie, she's fabulous in any case.
I saw Beanie as Fanny Brice and I really enjoyed the whole performance. From a historical standpoint Fanny Brice was more a comedic genius than a singer. The haters will hate, I am glad I got to see the original cast.
but... it's a musical, though. you know?
I’m just glad Lea can’t win a tony when she takes over for Beanie.
Beanie looks nothing like Fanny Brice. That alone should have prevented the casting.
@@mgmbacklot Lin Manuel Miranda looks nothing like Hamilton, so maybe that shouldn't have happened either. Let's just go back to the good old show like Miss Saigon and that wonderful kidnapping plot in Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. (I'm clearly joking and you, sir, need to take a good look at yourself and how you treat people. You comment is dually inappropriate because the most recent video you posted on your channel is of a woman singing a WONDERFUL rendition of somewhere over the rainbow. Are you saying she should not have been allowed to play Dorothy? You are a disappointment to the world of theatre because you judge the quality of an actor based on what they look like, not their ability as a professional.)
The problem is funny girl the musical wwas literally made around Barbra it needs her sort of vocal presence and power. They set beanie up for failure, it's not her fault.
Beanie is a nepotism baby, she only got this part because of her family connections. I think Lea is a powerhouse vocalist, she definitely has a tone that can be grating to some ears but even haters can't deny her talent.
Agreed, she appears like a nice person but if I pay hundreds of dollars on tickets alone I want to see a breath taking performance not an okay one.
Actually that’s false information, her father is not associated with the production at all. Just a vicious rumor put out by haters.
@@punkwrestle no, I mean the fact that her entire acting career is on the coattails of her very famous brother, Jonah Hill.
@@vanessav810 That's absurd. She didn't get cast in the things she's done (and been critically praised for, not incidentally) because she is Jonah Hill's sister- he had nothing to do with Lady Bird, Booksmart, What We Do In The Shadows, or Hello, Dolly. If you don't like her, just say so, but don't pretend that she only got cast in things because of her family connections not her talent, because it isn't true.
What you have to understand about Hollywood is that they are all nepotism babies by now. To say that she only got the roll because of her dad ignores the likely doesens of other actresses who have parents and siblings with similar power and status probably would be compeating for the same roll.
I learned so much from this - thank you! I loved Glee (at first), but I never understood why everyone loved this rendition of "Don't Rain On My Parade" so much. It seemed so loud to me, and now I understand that's the result of overproduction. I love when songs really build up to that true climax - it's exciting! But this entire song sounds like it's one volume. LOUD. Thank you so much for explaining this! And the cries...also didn't know that was a thing. I grew up singing in the 80s and 90s, and that wasn't something we were taught to do (that I can remember...). It always drove me bonkers to hear it, especially so SO often. This is over a year old at this point, but I'm thankful RUclips suggested this video!
When Streisand sings “ here I am” she doesn’t sound like past Broadway singers that came before like the merms or Carol Channing. Streisand is an original, she has no need to copy others or imitate others.
That’s not his point yes Barbra is an original but her voice also sounds very of the time just like Broadway singers of that era
@@audramcdonaldapologist3676 you are incorrect! Barbra was actually miked during the Broadway and west end run so she didn’t have to sound like the merms or that god awful Carol Channing. With being miked she didn’t need to be larger than life, she didn’t have to belt out to the nosebleed seats. I would say she is the first of the modern Broadway actors/singers. If you don’t believe me get the Time magazine issue dated April 12th,1964. BTW, she was the 2nd youngest actress at the time ever featured on the cover at 21.
I agree, Barbra Streisand is absolutely nothing like Ethel Merman or Carol Channing. If someone puts her in that category I think they really don’t get her.
@@renaemirror7662 Exactly! There was never a time that the Merms or Carol Channing weren’t larger than life, that’s why they could never make the transition from Broadway to film. People couldn’t take them for more then a few minutes on the screen here and there. A great example is the Merms in “it’s a mad, mad, world”. But that’s a totally different tangent all together. The Streisand voice is of a totally different timbre and vocal resources in my opinion. That sound she has was completely her’s and her’s alone, all that followed on Broadway and for the past 60 years are trying variations of her sound. Listen to Lupone, Peters, Menzel, and other Broadway divas after Streisand….
Must be very difficult to give this song a performance that differs from Barbra. Lillias White sang this song for the 2002 Actors Fund Benefit (it's on YT), which was uniquely different and powerful. Really worth a watch.
I will be seeing Funny Girl in August and then again in Sept with Lea and I cannot wait!
Just came across to this video. You got me. Yes to all the comments and to your perfectly accurate technical breakdown. Can't wait to watch more! Love from a fellow artist in Greece xxx
Hopefully LM has grown as a person , and I appreciate your attitude that we not be so judgemental about someone ‘s past such that they are set up for future failure because of past mistakes. And while perhaps not a positive thing , the reality is the vast majority of people who will go see Funny Girl will go because of the performance and entertainment value of the musical, and not because of the character of the performers.
It was really interesting to watch and listen to you doing this. The passion and know-how is really uplifting and somewhat sexy. Now I need to find more vids and even perhaps something where I get to hear your voice. Loved it and am so subscribing
Interesting that on the original Broadway cast album, Barbra does the cry thing right on "am" in "here I am." Check it out: ruclips.net/video/cg4v-wnVJHc/видео.html
I liked the analysis, new subscriber. And looking forward to see Lea on broadway. Recently see her live on her tour and was terrific.
MCL, you have not only a great grasp of broadway song writing theory, but are also a great voice educator (and you have a very beautiful voice yourself).
My choir director used to call it scooping. Would you say that's the same or different from vocal cry?
I think Beanie’s voice is good, but it’s too pretty for a role like Fanny Brice. Beanie would be amazing in a show like Once because of the kind of voice she has. I think she would be great in Little Shop of Horrors playing Audrey. Her voice to me sounds good, she can sing (her rendition of The Meadowlark is actually very sweet), but her voice is sweet and pretty, not big and boisterous the way it would need to be for certain roles. But Beanie is iconic and I will always support her because she seems like a genuinely good person.
I could see Beanie doing a solid rendition of 'Part of that World' from 'The Little Mermaid.
your analysis is so amazing and your kindness is infectious
You literally need to do this live. I don’t know why you’d use a pre-recording lmao
She’s done it live countless times
@@edwardonochie3565 but the one she sang at the awards thing where she wore a white dress was not her best at alll
Very well said! You, sir, are a gentleman, scholar and a diplomat.
It's interesting how you feel like Barbra doesn't trill much. I'm sure she does but it's subtle when compared to modern singers. That said, the trill at 5:08 was lifted directly from Streisand's performance in the 1968 film. Barbra (especially in early recordings) was adept and jazy vocalizations that featured, growls, trills, and riffs.
I hope this doesn't come off as too harsh, but I do believe if Beanie really had that much vocal damage and couldn't push her voice very far then she was very miscast for this role and should've never really been considered in the first place. I think that her father being a producer on the show was the priority reason she was even cast tbh. So while I do feel bad about the criticism, I do think some of it (not all of it, and especially not the fat shaming ones) is valid. Like if she cant sing the role how Fanny Brice would, then she shouldve never been on the stage in the first place, you know, seeing as the show is literally about her and the expectation of the audience is to hear a big and powerful voice.
here's the thing: being a professional singer is all about stamina. there's a great video about this called "the new girls can't sing".
@@apatouros7572 Yes to that video!!!!
The nepotism thing with her father being involved in the show is just a rumor
@@Doktorlady so you're saying that there's just a "rumor" about a rich white family and their rich friends bought a role for their daughter, who lacks expertise in this role - resulting in her having a end the contract VERY early?
sounds about right 😆 remember this: rich people can pay for discretion.
I love this video. I have no idea about vocal techniques, etc. but the way you explained things, I understood the basics. Will definitely watch your other vids and subbed!
It is such an unfortunate situation. What is even more unfortunate, is how much these poor actresses are compared to the likes of Barbara Streisand. Yes, she originated the part, and it catapulted her career... but that happened over half a century ago. Let it go... Can we be more evolved and forward thinking to stop comparing actors playing roles they are re-creating and comparing them to another person. EVERY actor and actress is unique and special and brings their unique gifts to each role they take on. We should not criticize them for not being the original person... they are only doing their job as an actor and creating the role as they see fit. It is disappointing that people cannot take Beanie's portrayal for face value... a gift that she is giving us with her talent, and a real shame that Broadway producers are far more interested in money instead of the arts. I am sure Lea Michele will do a wonderful job as well, but for every 'great' talent out there... there are over one hundred people out there that are even more talented, and more are being born every minute... so just enjoy what every actor brings to you.
Thing about Barbra Streisand is if I wanted to hear her version of these songsI would just watch the movie. If it’s just a copy of Barbra over and over then what’s the point of seing a live show at all?
Love the theory and the perspective of allowing people to grow. Thank you for being honest yet kind to all parties 🙏💫🎵.
Leas voice is so amazing. It has been always great , but now , after so many years… it’s so much better. Love her always and so happy that she is doing this. 🥰
Finally someone mentioning the “h” cry sounds! When I was a teen watching Glee I used to find that SO irritating but no one else seemed to pick up on it!
Lea Michele ATE!!!!! She’s amazing!!!!!
Thank you for analyzing this song and the difference of artists execution. I am preparing for my performance exam and this song is one of the songs to perform. I'm glad I found your channel. This helps me a lot. THANK YOU. XOXO
I was taught that the "cry" like scooping, was a tool to be used. But if they aren't used sparingly, they lose all effectiveness. I am sad that Beanie has been forced out of Funny Girl. I was excited about a different take from Barbra.
I’m taking voice lessons currently and my teacher always gets on me for scooping saying it’s not necessary haha
Loved every minute, I work in showbussines in Mexico, and had done several musicals here, Colombia and Argentina.. you are so right in your post, I saw Funny Girl when I was 7, and did not understood in my 7 years old English the lyrics But I asked my parents why do the PEOPLE went wild?.. I knew it soon. Had seen this show in London twice with the lead AND the undesrtudy .. great, and saw this one on BROADWAY.. once at the theatre where I worked here un Mexico City had the rights to do this show..impossible to make a fair translation
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Totally on your page about almost every point. You can tell that Lea Michele, in that clip, is almost going between Babs and Elphaba in Wicked. I hope she is working on the control, as you mentioned, with that many shows a week.
I just subscribed to your channel. The way you explained very specific technical details speaks of your teaching skills. Great communication style combined with a super solid music background. Bravo!!! 👏👏👏👏
I think she will do great, she’s a powerhouse and that’s what you need. I think it’s possible that she may have made changes from 2009 & her Tony performance in 2010. We shall see!
Great job. I wrote a blogpost about this myself last year comparing her to Streisand - and I think it's a phrase by phrase, note by note imitation. Her voice is great, and I hope that she'll make the role her own. It is ten years later, so maybe.... ?
Note that the way she sings the finale "parade," she closes to the R for a full beat before she opens to the vowel.
Thing I once heard about diphthongs, and it didn't pertain specifically to singing, but I like using it anyway: "When two vowels go walking, the first one does the talking."
now you've pointed out the breath thing, I can't unhear it!! Your critique is spot on however it's important to understand that the clip you're using is from Glee series 1 in 2009 - 13 years ago.
Saw Julie Benko a couple of nights ago and absolutely loved her. I would have liked to see Beanie or Lea but I don’t really think either one of them would have done a better job than Julie did. She got a standing ovation after her first song and I was close enough (lottery ticket) I could see the joy in her eyes hearing everyone cheer for her.
I really hope to see Julie go on to do big things after she finishes being a part of the Funny Girl revival.
Why don't you think Lea can do better? She is an amazing performer. Lea also had standing ovations in her opening night.
@@kassiogomes8498 Because I don't think Lea is funny or likable enough to act the role well. It's not just a singing part. I'm sure she's great at the singing, but Funny Girl isn't a particularly good musical (there's a reason it's been 60ish years since it was last on Broadway) and it seems really easy to make Fannie completely unlikeable. I've only seen Lea in Glee and Scream queens, so I could be wrong. And to be clear, I didn't necessarily mean I thought Lea or Beanie would be worse than Julie, just that I think she is at least on par with the big name actresses.
@@senaidyl Lea was hilarious on Glee. Specially in the first season. She is very funny.
To be fair, I heard about how the composer behind Funny Girl composed the parts of Fanny Brice around Barbara's abilities, and that's just not right. XD
That's like composing a freaking opera set to the skills of Paganini.
It's like holding high school students at athletic events to the abilities of Olympic gold medalists.
That's just not fair. XD
It's really nice to see someone being kind and and empathetic in their analysis. 💜
So pleased to hear your informed and fair analysis. Re: Lea Michelle-- it bothers me that people are eager to destroy a career/person based upon general allegations that she is not a good person which basically amount to: "my feelings were hurt."
Also, there's no proof. It's just their word against hers, and yes that whole thing really smelled of bullying a woman.
Your final remarks were very diplomatic and understanding. Props to that.
I love when people do back-to-back comparisons of the Lea Michelle version vs. the Naya Rivera version (also from Glee). Naya knocks it down into her mezzo range but I really love her voice. Would you consider doing one?
Isn't Barbra a Mezzo too? But yeah Naya is a lower Mezzo. DROMP is not an easy song, but it's still in Mezzo range. It's just the song is quite acrobatic. CMIIW
Correction Mimi Hines was Babs replacement after she left and the shoe (with Mimi) ran another year & Roz Harris toured with show for years. Proving that this is NOT strictly a Streisand showcase. It’s the critics who are claiming it’s a only a Streisand vehicle (just like they claimed Gypsy was strictly a Merman Vehicle and was not revived on bway till Angela Lansbury gave it a whirl)
The audience is telling every theater PRO “No” we like the show even without BS.
Beanies understudy, Julie Benko, is a real bway belter that lands every song. She is spectacular and will be understudying Lea Michelle as well as doing Thursday night performances. I bet Julie Benko is the real star and the other two can’t even come close
Funny Girl Is a Streisand showcase.
Thank you for your simple yet lovely analysis, and for your commentary on this whole situation. Absolutely love your infectious energy and can't wait to see more videos! :D
If she goes on to sing like that, bashing her cords, 6/7 performances a week, I predict she'll be off with nodules within a few months. And Julie Benko, once again, will be performing a lot more than scheduled
She's a Broadway veteran, I'm sure she'll be fine.
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You’re a swell guy dude, keep on making videos, you do them correctly and with love and passion. I.J.S.
The only comparison should be when Lea Michele actual performs the part of Fanny Brice on Broadway. Why should she perform it exactly like Ms. Streisand? She’ll then be criticized for “copying” her. The point being let us not criticize Lea Michele before she performs and for who she is as a person. I’m sure there are a few wonderful performers who are not the best of people. Give her a chance. After her first few performances, come back and critique.
Well for me the bottom line question regarding Beanie is -Was she right for the role to begin with? Was she the one? What were producers thinking? And how this beloved role and these beloved songs would be received if less than stellar? Not Beanies fault. She gave what she could give. But I do think she was done wrong From the start in the offering. IMHO
someone else mentioned a Mana Cass project she'd be great for.
I have just returned from a NYC trip where I saw 4 shows. With all the negative attention on Funny Girl, it was lower on my list; However, a Covid cast outbreak in a different show I was supposed to see freed me up to see Beanie Feldstein in the Funny Girl matinee on the same day she announced her earlier departure (Sunday). All the people around me shared the same initial concern before the show began. Several of us (who got last-minute tickets) had seriously upgraded seats designated by the usher (I'm sure not a good indicator). Nonetheless... The show was fabulous! Every aspect was great. The staging was impressive, the comedic timing was great, the chemistry between Beanie and Ramim was good, Beanie's vocals were wonderful, and her dancing was great. Jane was fabulous too. The audience gave multiple applauses mid-show and a resounding much-deserved standing ovation at the end. I don't know if it was due to changes because of all the criticism over the past several months or if it was simply the criticism was too harsh comparing Beanie to a freak prodigy (Streisand) - to which how many Streisand-calibre stars have there been in the past 50+ years?!!? Even Idina Menzel's performance at the Kennedy Awards to Barbra herself (while incredible) was not quite Barbra'esque. Beanie should not be compared to anyone! Allow Beanie to tell the story of Fanny Brice - the actual protagonist in this true-life story, not try and retell Barbra's caricature of Fanny. I feel so bad for Beanie! She doesn't deserve any of this... and I enjoyed the show very much!
I knew nothing about the controversy or either actor but clicked on this because my little sister was literally just singing this (it's currently the centerpiece of her audition repertoire) and I was curious how she compared. Ended up being even more relevant when you started talking about Beanie's struggles with vocal damage because my sister had issues with her voice about a year ago and is still having to be extra careful. I don't know any of the technical terms but my sister's issues were luckily not as severe or permanent as they could have been so she can still belt and everything, she just has to be careful about it.
Anyways, this was very interesting and I love how compassionate you are to both Beanie and Lea. You're totally right that people need to be given room to grow as people and not be permanently shackled to mistakes made when they were young and immature and Beanie may not have been the best casting choice to achieve the same kind of vocals Barbara Streisand did but it does seem like people are being harsher than necessary so I'm sending virtual hugs to her.
there is also a big difference that I don't think is being accounted for here. Lea's song was processed. Beanie was singing live.
... except that Ms. Michele is lip-syncing here while filming, and so it's impossible to comment on her actual vowel/mouth shapes as nobody filmed her singing the actual track to which she is lip-syncing in this filmed segment. Lots of great analysis here otherwise!
yeah, I really don't understand why this video was made.
I suspected so. Thanks for pointing that out. Again, which makes me wonder how wunder-Michelle will handle seven shows a week--and Parade is only ONE of the blockbuster arias in FG!
@@jamessampson7175 ...much better than BF had, I'll tell you that. check her attendance record and see for yourself.
LM has experience leading a Broadway production, and she did the Glee tours. she has the stamina. she only lip-sync'd because that's how it's done did for scripted TV.
likeeeeee... ??? 🤦🤦🤦 say LM is a racist/meanie/bitch/whatever; but don't come for the girl's chops when the ONLY reason BF is up on that stage is nepotism. I'd go as far to say LM is *singlehandedly* responsible for the renewed interest in Funny Girl, and she should have been headlining a post-Glee revival.
@@jamessampson7175 She grew up on Broadway...she will most likely handle it.
A better example would be live at the Tonys. She basically mimicked the scene but you could hear how straining the song is. No one does it like Barbra.
..I truly enjoyed this video analysis... Thank you. Very interesting. 🎶
Also another difference between Beanie’s and Lea is Lea has a bigger mouth and bigger airway due to her facial structure and Beanie has a smaller narrow mouth and facial structure so yes Lea will be able to belt much more than Beanie can.
Whilst the critics have been unkind, I'm not sure what Beanie expected after basically being given the role since her father is one of the producers. She didn't audition for the role, she wasn't chosen because she was the best singer/actor who auditioned. She was simply lucky enough to have been given the role. Lea Michele seems like the right person for the role, she looks the part and has a strong enough voice to be compared to Barbra.
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This cannot be stressed enough. IF true, that she was given the role.
I get that lots of people are TIP-TOEing around Beanie's performance, because she's so nice. And that says a lot about Beanie. But, her voice is tiny, girly (like a 5 year old), nasally, and not powerful. Which is disappointing and underwhelming for the STAR of this show. This is NOT being mean. This is acknowledging that people are paying a large sum of money for great performances and overall a great musical. She was miscast and should not be in this role.
@@captainKbobkeeshan THANK YOU! I think theres a really clear line between being mean and simply commenting on a performance. It's not at all mean to say Beanie's voice is nasal and not powerful because we can all hear those qualities in her voice! Lea Michele is truly one of the few people who are capable of being compared to Barbra! I think Beanie would do great in other shows, if she'd even get cast after being fired from Funny Girl!
Except her dad isn’t one of the producers. Nothing has been found to confirm he put money into the show.
@@kelseighingram Maybe. But, connections are a real thing. I find it inexplicable why she would be chosen to open a musical like that versus a "name". Especially, after the Ben Platt 90th Sondheim collab on "It Takes Two." I don't think that showed her in a favorable light for the Funny Girl role. From that, I could see her being cast as the Little Red Riding role in "Into the Woods". And even with that I"m concerned about Beanie being able to power through on the vocals. Bonnie Milligan should have been given the shot for Funny Girl. She's got the pipes, sass, presence. But is she connected? Or someone else that exudes presence and power vocals.
Lea did a live version bro!
I liked your vocal analysis of Lea Michele. She is an incredible vocalist and I have heard her perform other Barbra songs which are better than this. The song I'm thinking of is called "Being Good Isn't Good Enough." But the thing about Streisand's performance in Funny Girl which sets such an impossibly high bar is that Streisand never sounds like a singer who is performing. In her rendition of "Don't Rain on my Parade," Streisand's vocal strength is not only unstoppable and like a locomotive which builds in intensity straight through to the end, but the emotion crackles with raw emotion, it's not like she's performing to impress which is really what makes Streisand unique and in a league of her own which will probably never be replicated.
maybe that was supposed to be her character because she loved Barbra but on another episode when lea michele sings OH MY MAN...she is completely emulating BArbra version, from the face movements to the crying, i for one found it annoying.
Interesting analysis! I'm looking forward to learning a lot through your vocal analyses. I just want to address the rumor that's running through the comments (and elsewhere): The idea that Feldstein's father/brother were producers or huge financial backers of the show, and that's why she got the role.
A disclaimer: the amount of emotional investment that I have regarding either "Funny Girl," Lea Michele or Beanie Feldstein is so incredibly distant from existing that neither the Hubble or Webb telescopes would be able to locate it. TBH, I find FG incredibly dull, aside from Streisand's voice and one or two songs. Well, mostly just "My Man." And that isn't even original. Meanwhile, I'm embarrassed to say that I never heard of Feldstein until the ads for the revival made a fuss of her. And from what I heard filtered through the egregiously obvious autotune/overproduction on Glee, Lea Michele has a great voice but I have neither hate nor love for her. Vaguely heard the accusations but am staying out of all that. So, all that said...
These "omg Beanie only got the role 'cause her dad bankrolled the whole show!" rumors and accusations are rife through various comment sections or theater communities but the truth is, *there is no reputable source for this.* Seriously. If you have it, bring it, please! The term "several sources" isn't good enough. Find me two that aren't anonymous posts on a theater forum. If a research/musical theater historian like Brendon Henderson from the "Wait in the Wings" YT channel couldn't find any evidence of this, I don't think it exists. (See his pinned note on the video w/his unpacking whole ugly situation in his essay here: ruclips.net/video/RhCmNCAxw8c/видео.html )
Was Feldstein a bad choice? Maybe? Probably? If I were casting someone in the role my choice would've been Rachel Bloom, who's both a strong singer, a funny actress who doesn't fit the super-slim mold, doesn't mind playing down her looks or being self-deprecating (something I don't see Lea Michele doing) and hey, Jewish to boot. But that's me. Frankly Bloom would've been the only person who'd make me marginally interested in seeing this thing. Anyway she'd likely have been seen as less of a mistake, castingwise.
But casting mistakes happen all the time. We don't need to make up some BS about nepotism when there's simply no proof.
Anyway thanks again, Mateo! (Sorry if I misheard your name.) I'll definitely be checking out the Into the Woods video as well as your others. Just one suggestion? I think you hit the same points too many times, past the point of necessity--especially Michele's gasp/cry thing. You gave some great examples early on and made it easier to notice... but then kept on and on and on. Trust your audience--and your own ability to have taught us what to listen for! Best of luck with future videos!
Check out her version of “My man” from funny girl. It was AMAZING. She performed it live at a Barbra Streisand tribute concert (in front of Barbra) and she did great (she must have been nervous but it almost didn’t show).
You could perhaps listen to the Glee performance and then the live at tribute to hear how it’s almost the same
And she portrayed the emotions extremely well at that live performance. It’s clear she’s broadway trained actress
Of course My Man was never part of the original Funny Girl score but was added into the film as Fanny Brice traditionally closed her live shows with that eleven o’clock song by French composer Maurice Yvain. It replaced The Music That Makes Me Dance, a lovely ballad, which has been restored to the show.