Ranger Subclass Tier Ranking (Part 2) In Dungeons and Dragons 5e
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0:37- Intro
1:24 - Criteria
2:15 - Gloom Stalker
10:50 - Horizon Walker
21:09 - Monster Slayer
31:55 - Community Ranking
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One thing about the Horizon Walker teleport not mentioned: If you start your turn grappled, restrained, etc, you can escape that condition before attacking for free.
Yo what's up my fellow Optimancer didn't know you watch These guys
I had a Horizon Walker pre-Tasha's, and a monk. The HW out maneuvered the monk hands down, and the monk took the mobility feat. Force damage also overcomes most resistances.
And no spell components to deal with either. They're unbelievably hard to pin down.
This would also help them get past things like Wall of force, or Force cage (granted you have to make a save/check to get through it but if you target three different creatures in a turn, you could have three chances to break out.
@@noahmehringer29 Personally, while I agree Gloomstalker is slightly better, I think both are S-tier given their defininitions. Frankly outside of combat, HW may even be the better class.
When you say, "the weakest feature here is getting proficiency is Wisdom saving throws." That really says a lot.
especially given how wisdom will probably be one of a ranger's best abilities, and is an extremely common saving throw.
@@shaneconnolly4747 Exactly! Well said.
@@shaneconnolly4747
Not to mention if you already have proficiency in it, you can pick between Charisma or Intelligence.
Also the Gloomstalker getting a single attack and a single D8 to your overall damage once per combat, seems to be better then Colossus Slayer getting it once per turn (Polearmaster / Sentinel might get it on reaction attacks again) Gloomstalker is pretty weak in my book.
@@greybearddnd2417 and free advantage to all attacks made in darkness, which varies widely between campaigns.
Holy shit the Monster Hunter counter. I was dying laughing. I really appreciate the self-deprecation humor.
Monty fixed it, you guys. Lol
It was either that or do it all over again. That's how you turn lead into gold.
My wife was giving me the side eye as I watched it cracking up
@@andrewmanzo8217 so one of them is a transmutation wizard?
@@michaelsinclair1343 probably Monty, cause there’s no way Kelly isn’t an evoker
HOLY MOLY KELLY MADE MONTY CHANGE IDEA! THE END IS NIGH!
kek
It’s happened a few times
In the Bard video he changes Monty’s mind twice!
I know, right? Lol
Gloom Stalker, gets a spell called "semen"?
Kelly talks Monty into upgrading his ranking ??? Inconceivable !
It happens sometimes
"Bamf", the technical term for short teleports in D&D. 😁
I've used this term while playing, but don't know where I've picked it up from 😆
@@DieDieNacho It was popularized from Nightcrawler, you read X-men?
@@ZacTheLit Oh yeah, that's very true! Thanks, I hadn't made that connection, makes a lot of sense.
Oh yeah it’s supposedly the noise nightcrawler makes when he teleports
Nightcrawler is also by far the coolest X-Man
@@bennoble4517 agreed
My last character was a Gloomstalker, and at 5th level that character took out a flameskull in the 1st round. Granted I crit one of the 3 shots (all hit with Hunters Mark). The DM looked defeated, and I just had the character slump back into the darkness... group had torches so he stayed in the back... so it was the Batman moment of the Gloomstalker. Good times.
My parents were killed by bandits outside the gladiator arena... Now I live in the Shadows killing whatever I feel is needed.
I'm Batman
DMing for a small party with a lvl5 gloomstalker lvl3 assassin. Sharpshooter, crossbow expert rolled good stats. He can get surprise so easily, auto crit on 4 attacks (if he hits but has advantage most of the time) balancing encounters is... lets say interesting. Between him and the greatweapon master zealot barbarian the party pumps out so much damage they regularly face encounters for way past their level.
@@nathanaelpoole1369 You don‘t GET surprise. Thats why I hate the assassin rogue, it doesn‘t actually work. The enemy is the one being surprised. And that depends on the lowest stealth roll in the entire party. So unless everyone is a rogue or the druid casts pass without trace, no one is going to be surprised. Ever. Unless you go in alone about 100 feet ahead of the party.
@@mayhemivory5730 that is exactly what happens, well around 80ft, with the wizards familiar perched in his on his shoulder so the rest of the party (just the wizard and barbarian) know when to move forward. He shoots moves 40 foot towards the party. I get that it is the enemy who gets the surprised condition.
Kelly: * Calls the Monster Slayer a Monster Hunter *
Me, not realizing I usually say it wrong too: "I'll allow it"
Maybe they play too much Monster Hunter from capcom and it's stuck with them.
only if they travel with a 3 foot tall tabaxi sidekick.
The fact that I would not have noticed either (if not for the prompts) kinda tells you everything about how impactful this subclass is.
I thought Monster Hunter was a Fighter homebrew?
These guys are like if Dungeons and Dragons had guidance counselors.
"I'm afraid we'll have to give liberal arts a C Tier"
The Gloom Stalker is definitely S Tier. You have to remember the dark vision/invisibility trait as a DM. It would make me smile when the Evoker couldn't sculpt spells around the ranger, because they couldn't see them.
When he said Seeming, I did not hear Seeming.
Same
oh thank god im not alone
i had to pause and check comments to double check
100% heard something else and was like "excuse me???" lol
Bruh I've been waiting for your validation
I play a Horizon Walker in a campaign I'm in and my DM made the detect portal a passive ability which was very cool. It's definitely a subclass that I believe truly shines if your DM helps with certain story elements.
I think having as a passive ability is a really great idea. My initial thoughts were basically "when am I ever going to be in a position where I even know to use this ability, let alone can gain some info I didn't already know?"
It has such a short range, and such a specific purpose for something that almost never even comes up, or just that no one really thinks to put random planar portals in their campaign. Making it a passive ability I think gives the power to DM to use it as a plot hook/point, while letting the player still feel like it was them that was useful. Without it being passive it's short range pretty much means you already know the portal is their because you pretty much have to be looking for it to be close enough.
@@asherandai1000 i have a setting in which most things from dnd exist, and there's plenty of wierd shit randomly put on the map.
Because of you, Planar Portal is another entry on that list. Thank you.
My parties campaign is sent in the Moonshae isles, I’m a Ffolk descended ranger who’s grandparents were brutally slaughtered by the Eladrin during their initial invasion, so he’s harboring a bit of a grudge, and it bleeds into blatant racism but he’s working on it, the point is: he’s able to detect moonpools or whatever they are called that are basically Druid-protected wells of wild magic that can function as portals. Our party is dealing with an unseelie incursion unleashing goblins and other fey onto the isles, so my guys abilities shine during the main storyline, but side content I’m mostly sidelined since most of my abilities are focused on extra-planar enemies rather than standard enemies. So being a Horizon Walker is like, perfect story wise and gameplay wise
I think I speak for the whole community when I say this:
We await your video on the subclasses of Tasha's Cauldron with great anticipation! May the day come swiftly!
Yes! I just started a campaign with a swarmkeeper and I'd like to hear what they say about it.
@@Naramiah Same here, tell me about your character
@@KB-fk3jj she has a swarm of pixies and she knows each one by name. At first glance they look like a bunch of bugs which can cause people avoid her or be uncomfortable around her. She wants to be everyone's friend, but also gets nervous around people because she isn't used to meeting new people. Her charisma is - 3 which is becoming a big issue in the campaign because she's one of the only humans and they're trying to infiltrate a group of racist antimagic terrorists. She really hasn't been doing well in battle which kinda makes me want to try to fix her combat, but I like the visual concept of what I was going for so idk.
@@KB-fk3jj tell me about your character!
@@Naramiah That's nice!
My character is a Lawful Evil Wood Elf, a Fey removed a curse from Cass and bestowed a rat familiar, which gives him the rat swarm. Eventually he'll change and become good to work with the party better.
He's a hired killer from the Criminal background, combat is pretty good but I'm deciding on either the alert or elven accuracy feat
Monster Hunter is a fantastic franchise that should get more recognition.
I agree
Monster Hunter World really helped with that. it's MUCH more mainstream that it was before in the west, but MH was always pretty big in Japan.
Shame they didn't mold the subclass after the bow or dual blades in monster hunter. That would be a fun ranger to play.
It's getting it's own movie, but it might flop.
I honestly think that the gloomstalker is worse them monster slayer with the gloomstalker the third ability only lasts one round meanwhile the third ability of the monster slayer is permanent you don't need to concentrate on it like hunters mark and its a nice little boost to damage sure it's a d6 but what's more worth your buck a d8 and a 10 foot movement increases that lasts 6 seconds or a d6 that lasts until you take a short or long rest which is 8 hours or even more also the umbral sight ability is good If your fighting people with darkvision so your telling me that if I have no darkvision and a torch I can kick a gloomstalkers ass meanwhile with the hunter's sense I can see ways of making it very useful I'm not saying the gloomstalker is bad I just think that it doesn't deserve a S tier ranking is all.
Loving these discussions! Can't wait for the Wizard 8 part video because of the billion schools they have
Hahahaha
It has WAY less than the cleric, and they had only 2-3 videos
@@thetwizard9290 if you watch the cleric one, they didnt even say all the abilities for all the subclasses, nor did they go as in depth as they do for these, so if they do it like this and go super in depth with the subclasses, itll be quite a few parts, but if they do it like the clerics then itll only be like 2 or 3 parts
@@Sonofapollo234 you are right
Honestly, wizard abilities are so few in general that it shouldn't take terribly long. Most wizards all get access to the best things they have. Their spells.
Xanathar's ranger are near universally fantastic. I've never seen anyone complain about the capability of those subclasses.
Honestly i might even wager that if hunter got unique subclass spells, that could pretty easily push it into the level that xanathar's subclasses are in.
I homerewed subclass spells for both hunter and beastmaster. It reaally helps the two classes. Although with the Tash's, the extra spells may make Beastmaster too powerful.
@@brettmajeske3525 what spells did you give hunter if you dont mind my asking?
@@aganaom1712 I'd have to go look it up, Hunter's Mark was one the list, but frankly I think I would revise since some of the new spells in Tashsa's are a better fit.
I also came up with subclass spells for the Hunter and Beastmaster.
Ranger Level Hunter Spells Beastmaster Spells
3rd Shield Find Familiar
5th See Invisibility Warding Bond
9th Slow Phantom Steed
13th Hallucinatory Terrain Dominate Beast
17th Hold Monster Awaken
I followed three guidelines when choosing the subclass spells:
1) A spell can't be on the Ranger's spell list from the PHB and XGtE.
i.) So no Hunter's Mark for the Hunter or Animal Friendship for the Beastmaster.
2) A spell shouldn't be already be a subclass spell for another subclass
i.) A notable example of a duplicated spell is Banishment, which the Horizon Walker and Monster Slayer both have.
3) A spell should fit the themes of the subclass to which it belongs.
i.) The Hunter gets spells that are about combat and hunting, while the Beastmaster gets spells that are about exploration and animals.
i think if i were to give hunter unique spells i would consider things along these lines:
3rd- expeditious retreat
5th- find steed or enhance ability
9th- protection from energy or dispel magic
13th- resilient sphere
17th- hold monster
Quick shoutout to the DM's out there that are willing to homebrew some of the lesser used subclasses because they're either niche or underpowered, but their players really want to play it anyway.
My DM let me use the UA spell list for my storm sorcerer, and they also took away the rule change where you couldn’t twin a booming blade
The sorcerer still died lol
@@Dezbood I feel like creating a UA “domain” spells known for sorcerers is extremely important, just because a full spellcaster knowing only 15 spells known by max level is kinda ridiculous. Depending on the table and how often your group has encounters, I would also let sorcery points come back on a short rest, bc why the fuck not
Yeah as a DM i love updating/patching a subclass so that my player can truly enjoy it without feeling bad for picking something ineffective OR powergaming and going always for the TOP shit stuff :)
@@yooooo8600 I totally agree with you on the spell-list its just cool flavor to give a class extra spells especially if they normally dont have access to! (like call lightning for a Storm Ranger) BUT i disagree on the sorcery points... cause if you look at what they are, effectively they act as more spell slots! Irregardless if a player uses some points for metamagic..
@@MorgulDemonVegeta that's true. to be fair, tasha's cauldron of everything added a lot of magic items for sorcerers that involve metamagic so you could also just give your sorcerer some of those. but yeah i love subclasses that have specific spells
I am now emotionally stronger after watching the first part of this video and I am ready for the second
The longer i play my horizon walker, the more i love ethereal step. At first, it felt like an extremely niche ability that would not come up all that much but after using it to:
-phase through a roof with detect magic on to inspect someone's magic item collection in a heavily guarded room
-sneak up on a very slippery rogue with 0 chance of being detected
-walk out of a froghemoth's belly after being swallowed
I can safely say this spell offers amazing utility combined with a very strong get out of jail free card
My only knock against the Gloomstalker having played one is your invisible while in darkness to even creatures with darkvision. Can't tell you how many times I couldn't get blessed or healed with healing word because nobody could see me lol
Monster Slayer is a life-saver when dealing with a DM who is super against meta-gaming, or one who loves to homebrew enemies
also when dealing with new or rarely used types of enemies
#Facts
I love the Monk, and since monk and ranger both use Wisdom, they're a great combo. Think Gloom Stalker/Way of Shadow, teleporting between areas of darkness and getting virtual invisibility without casting a spell or even using your action.
I am playing a multiclass character of these two (the dm actually let me mix and match some of the Long Death in there) as a vampire in a homebrew-friendly game. The multiclass completely makes the super scary night-based hunter sing. :)
I've curently got a 9 Kensei Monk/3 Monster Slayer and it's dope as hell.
The Slayer's Prey I care less about the Slayer's Prey it's a great way to squeeze extra damage out with no concentration or resource limitations. The downside was when I hit level 8 I was Monk 5/Ranger 3 and the damage was capped, but then I started being to pick up all the sick monk stuff after that.
You need a little sneak attack on that mix
Ah, Yes the Good Stuff from the best Dudes.
I live for the moment when two gloom stalkers have to fight each other in darkness... And they can't see each other! 😂😂
Its like that one episode of Samurai Jack when he fights the shadow ninja.
High level Rangers (18+) get Feral senses, meaning they dont get disadvantage agaisnt targets they can't see, so yeah, this is still going to be a very very deadly battle wich confuses everyone else.
I did this when my party had to fight their doppelgangers. They just left it to the player to try to figure out where he was. xD
I’m just imagining justice league Batman vs justice lord Batman
Blindsight for the win
14:14 this is where Tasha's Favored Foe comes in. I honestly believe it is an ability people have yet to learn how to use. Instead of using your bonus action to Zhephyr Strike or Hunter's Mark you instead use Favored Foe for no additional action cost. That still leaves you with your bonus action for Planar Warrior
Unfortunately it's counted as Concentration but it is more relevant than Favored Enemy which is only one type of creature.
Hello.
With Favored Foe, do you add an extra 1d4 on your next turn if you hit the marked creature again?
If so, then a Ranger with a Long Bow could really do some damage.
After three rounds you have gotten up to a 3d4 extra damage.
That's way better than Slayer's Foe with a 1d6, which can't grow each turn. But there is no contraction which is nice.
But, you could stake Favored Foe with Slayer's Foe!
One I did was allow the Monster Slayer, once the marked creature got with 60feet to have the option to stop progressing the d4 damage, not take the 1d6 and no longer need concentration.
This means the Ranger can keep pouring on the damage to a huge beast, and then have the option to cast a concentration spell as a bonus action.
Thanks for reading
After looking over the internet, it appears that you are maxed out at a 1d4 with FF until the sixth level.
That is fair. You could get up to 5d4 extra damage in five rounds and you still have 5 more to go!!!
But, what I did was greatly upgrade the Hunter Sense feature for the Slayer.
Once they get 60 feet from a monster they can use an action to learn their weaknesses. Once you do this, you can start adding d4 every round if you hit (must have the FF ability)
It would be wise to try and get some distance from the beast and then set up a trap and just keep connecting with your long bow.
Once the creature is then 60feet from you (that's too close for comfort) you can start staking Slayers Prey and FF!!
But you must keep your concentration.
You could stop progressing d4 and not take the 1d6 and no longer need concentration.
What ever works best. If you are up to a 5d4, and the beast is getting close (60 feet), switch over to Slayer's Prey and keep that 5d4 going and you don't need to worry about concentration (Constitution saving throws). You will not get the 1d6, but uou are fine. But, you can't add anymore d4s. Now you can cast Z step as a bonus action and retreat if necessary.
The monster is so close that it will soon attack you in melee combat. Hopefully you have damaged it enough. You may know that it is resistant to piercing damage, so all that damage was only doing 50% 😳
I agree that Monster Slayer is missing that over the top ability that will help the party slay a beast that requires multiple rounds to slay.
C is a fair score.
In a game I DMed for my family, my mom played a gloomstalker ranger and she was SO AMAZING. Her stats weren't even that fantastic but the way she roleplayed and played in combat made her character so incredibly interesting and powerful. 10/10 recommend the gloomstalker
Kelly's shirt today: anyone else reminded of sock monkey dolls? Love it. Good video guys, keep it up
The Gloom Stalker is just so far and above the other subclasses in both roleplay and mechanics. Every ability feeds into the tone of the class and it's a total joy to play. its S-tier ranking is totally deserved.
They did not mention the big downside of Gloom Stalker though, which is that they are also invisible to their allies, and their invisibility is always on, even while they are unconsious and cannot be turned off even if you want to, which means, if you go down in combat, your healer can't heal you and you probably just die.
I honestly don't agree that they are so far past Horizon Walker, new Beast Master, and Fey Wanderer. They are incredibly good but not with the huge gap implied.
It's also not so far past Hunter in terms of damage as is represented in this video. With Colossus Slayer, you do eventually match the damage that is done by the Gloomstalker - 3 turns if no sharpshooter damage or hunter's mark is used by the GS, /4 turns if no sharpshooter but with hunter's mark by the GS /5 turns or so if Sharpshooter is used but no hunter's mark/6 turns if hunter's mark + Sharpshooter (assuming average damage is done by the 1d8 for Colossus Slayer). And this assumes the Hunter is not lucky enough to get off a Volley. If he does, he can greatly surpass the GS in damage. The Gloomstalker just has it's damage front loaded, which is very good assuming it hits. It sucks tremendously if you miss that extra attack. If you do, it's much better to be a Hunter. Edit: Of course, they get a second chance to hit at lvl 11, but that could also miss.
@@Exaltable The gloom stalker only gains bonus damage on the first round of combat, after that, they have nothing. Really the only reason why people like gloom stalker so much is that really poorly defined pseudo invisibility ability they have.
@@Klaital1 Not only is the gloomstalker due to it's invisibility harder to hit (and doesnt provoke opportunity attacks from targets that cant see it), and possibly hidden all the time, if it is sufficient high level or multiclassed into rogue, but also the only heal spell that does not affect you is "Healing Word", wich is the only heal spell that specifies "a creature you can see". Being invisible does not mean you cannot be touched and as per RAW you are aware of the position of every creature that is not hidden from you. One might reasobly argue that an uncociouss invisible gloom stalker might not give away its position, but it is also very easy to argue that an ally woudl remember the position from where it heard the final scream of the stalker getting downed.
Gloom Stalker Ranger:
Are you afraid of the dark?
.... you will be.
CRINGE!
@@waterpolonum1 The only thing cringe here is you.
EXTRA CRINGE!
Zephyr Strike/Planar Warrior is such a fun combo early on for Horizon Walker. Pop the spell on your first turn and then spend the rest of the combat kiting in and out of combat.
I was unsure about these ranking videos at first and now they are some of my favorite 5e content on youtube! You guys are great!
You know, almost everything about the Ranger subclasses are geared towards "one solid hit." If only the ranger got something called, oh idk, Foe Slayer at level two to help land one hit against a Favored Enemy type that you would have to choose being able to pick others later on.
Wait wait wait... Did KELLY just persuade MONTY to change his rank? Thats the true highlight of the video.
I played a variant Gloom stalker with both Sharpshooter and crossbow expert. With just hand crossbow I wrecked a lot of things in the first round of combat and proper positioning.
nah, heavy crossbow and u use bonus action for hunters mark,,, thats wrecking..
I actually really don't like crossbows on rangers. You are MUCH better off with a longbow and having bracers of archery. You have higher minimum damage that way and have a much larger range to work with. You don't have to worry about reloading with a longbow and basically gain either an ASI or feat slot when you drop crossbow expert. You should never be within 5 feet of someone and shooting realistically so having no disadvantage on ranged attacks while within 5 feet of the target doesn't really do anything. That ASI can be out to much better using even just adding to your Wisdom thereby not only increasing your spell dc, but actually making your initiative bonus higher. On too of something like alert, you can get up to a +15 to initiative giving you an almost guarantee that you'll act first in combat. That maxed with some multi-classing can make the build extremely deadly. I personally prefer 3 Assassination Rogue/3 Gloomstalker Ranger/ 14 Battlemaster Fighter build. You can, even at level 9, do a high damage in the first round of combat. You'll even still be able to apply pressure to the enemy in the following rounds if your party doesn't decimate the enemy in one turn
Just did the math and rolls and ended up at 231 damage in one turn at ninth level with 3 in Rogue, 3 in Ranger, and 3 in Fighter though I think my math may be off. I ended up with 16d6, 24d8, then added 42 from the six attacks with +7 from having 20 dexterity and 2 from bracers of archery. Let me know if my math is wrong
@@brandonvanscoycloud6469 this is how i play gloomstalkers as well. Very deadly especially if you're playing solo, playing in the right party or your party cooperates. I prefer a different spread though:
12 battlemaster, 3 gloomstalker and 5 assassin. I gain uncanny dodge and extra 1d6 sneak attack dmg this way (losing 1 indomitable use).
@@brandonvanscoycloud6469 i am curious as to how you can reach 6 attacks when you dont have extra atk yet with this spread. the most you'll.have 1st round is 4 with action surge.
Been looking forward to this one!! I’ve really enjoyed all of the tier lists so far, thanks Dungeon Dudes!
I'm really glad that Horizon Walker turned out so well. It was always a build I enjoyed in third edition!
Important point about Monster Slayer is that the "Magic-User's Nemesis" feature can only used once per short or long rest.
I love Kelly's take on the Horizon Walker. I've never played a Ranger and I want to play one of these
I can't wait to see their ranking on the Swarmkeeper, I absolutely adore that subclass
I love the counter so much guys! You guys do great but having the ability to laugh at your own mistakes and just go with it says so much (good) about you!
I usually just throw down Hunter's Mark round 1 and then the rounds afterwards use the planar warrior as my bonus action to deal the d6 and the d8 damage
Yeah I really don’t understand giving it crap for not synergizing with hunters mark. it takes your bonus action to use, okay... are you saying you’re keeping your mark on something more then one or 2 rounds?
@@pivotcreator2 thats's the thing; most encounters are 2-4 rounds, with multiple enemy creatures. imagine each creature lives 1-3 rounds. Turn 1 you use HM on one creature, turn 2 planar warrior; turn 3 creatre dead, you move HM, turn 4 (if it gets there) use of planar warrior, end of encounter. So in order to get 1 or 2 turns of d6 + d8, you used 1 spell slot; and took two turns just doing a d6 instead of a d8. Sure if you are against a boss that will stay up 3+ rounds it is great to use, but otherwise losing a spell slot just for 1 assured turn of usefulness is not worth; even less when planar warrior goes up.
You really don’t even need to use hunters mark with this subclass. You basically get a better hunters mark. This frees your concentration to use better things.
@@jareddavidson6654 It also helps if you choose to use the optional Favored Foe featured in place of Favored Enemy, since FF is treated as concentration (thus also not stacking with HM) but doesn't use an action to proc, leaving it up to use with PW
11 levels of Gloom stalker plus 9 levels of Assassin rogue equals DEATH.
Vao!!
I like Gloomstalker 5 & Assassin 15 for big sneak attack bonus.
You can now say, “Nothing personal kid.”
More levels in battlemaster fighter is better. 12 battlemaster, 3 gloomstalker, 5 assassin.
Can do 8 attacks 1st round at 17th level and attach maneuver dmg+effects to 5-7 attacks (7 with martial adept and superior technique fighting style).
I’m currently 3 dip assassin, 3 dip monster hunter fighter (for superiority dice/extra skills,) 6 level gloom stalker. Opening round, two attacks standard, bonus action dual wield attack, action surge for two attacks, extra attack from gloom stalker. All crits if I go first, with advantage on and wisdom to initiative.
Gloom stalker has lots of great multi class combos.
I really appreciate the research & experience you put into your videos! I’ll gladly wait for the 3rd instalment.
Also, I tend to always listen to you at 1.25 or 1.5 playback speed, & I used to think of that as a drawback, but I realized in this video that the reason I can even do that is because of your diction & clarity of thought, so thank you to your theatre training & hard work!
Love watching you guys. It has helped me with my many adventures for my characters
It is amazing how all of the Drow suddenly live in well lit rooms once I started playing a Gloom Stalker. (Yes, that seems to be the response to my character always being invisible in the dark.)
I love the incorrect name use count! Hahaha Kelly is the man!
Your discussions are always so insightful, great series can't wait for rogue
Great discussion! I look forward to watching the discussion on the Tasha's subclasses.
FINALLY THEY’RE GONNA DO ROGUE NEXT!
In b4 warlock steals the show
Swashbuckler is going to be s tier
@@RavarSeer hex blade is gonna be the best we already know
@@Jerzzylo Swashy and Trickster Gotta be S-Tier. With the new feats in tashas I ultimately think Swash is the best rogue now.
I hope so! I'm on the verge on going Soul Knife and I want to hear their thought!
Once again with the Horizon Walker we see that with their bonus action additional d8, we could then also use new favored foe for another d4 - d8 depending on your level which makes the choice of not going for hunter's mark a little more viable as well.
This was nice and thorough and helped me make some decisions on my Ranger. Thanks guys
I absolutely love these videos you guys should do a tear ranking of the best best multiclass combinations!!!
I've been playing a Tasha's Beast Master for about a month and I'd definitely put it in S tier. It's an absolutely amazing generalist class, making a great secondary healer and tank, and still doing enough damage to be considered a primary front-line character. Doing Druidic Warrior for Shillelagh and Guidance and making WIS your primary stat seems to be optimal for a melee Beast Master.
I really want to try fey wanderer and swarmkeeper
Calling the rankings now, I think both are solid B, not quite as good as HW or GS, but still solid and Fey Wanderer can actually make your ranger sociable instead of just straight dumping CHA. I could be wrong but that's my opinion.
@@noahmehringer29 I actually think Fey Wanderer is at least comparable to the Horizon Walker, if not better. The bonus spells are roughly equivalent, and the bonus damage abilities, while better in terms of damage for the HW, doesn't require your bonus action for the FW and isn't restricted to 30 ft like HW. And the other features are roughly equivalent overall, with abilities like Distant Strike and Spectral Defense for HW being very good balanced by Detect Portal and a once per rest, one turn etherealness being very situational, while FW gets summon fey for free and can cast it without components and do it for free once per rest, an Uno Reverse on charm/frighten effects (including on the creature that tried to force that save), free bonus to social skills, and getting free misty steps and the ability to take someone with you may not be as strong but are good abilities across the board.
Btw, Druidic Warrior fighting style/Magic Initiate Druid to grab Shillelagh to go Wisdom primary in this subclass is hilarious.
Another great video, y'all. I always look forward to these dropping.
BWAHAHA - I wouldn’t have even noticed the wrong name usage if the hilarious “Incorrect Name Use” counter didn’t come up. You two have such a fun sense of humor. It’s nice to see you having fun and not taking yourselves too seriously. Thanks for the smile.
At 4:26 when Monty says "But that's not all!", I couldn't help but hear, "But wait, there's more!" xD
"They're never going to catch you unless you're a monk."
Monty did you just say something positive about the monk?
once you work your way thru all the classes ide love to see a big episode where you tackle the races and truly discuss where they fit into the classes
I’m just getting into playing dungeon and dragons and I really want to play a ranger , these videos are seriously so amazing and helpful to understand what to go with
I need part 3 now! I’ve been playing a fey wanderer ranger and have had a blast with it so far. I’m curious what you guys think about it.
The monster slayer should be rewarded for exploiting enemy weakneses by dealing even more damage, or gaining advantage, or adding some status effect when enemy weakneses are exploited
I love the image of a hasted sharpshooter horizon walker just walking through the battlefield, teleporting at each step and shooting an arrow at a different target after each teleport.
Maybe not mechanically efficient, but still a very cool concept.
It's like the Echo Knight of Rangers
I did horizon walker as a 2 handed fighter, and it’s so much fun!
How is there already a thumbs down in less than half the time it takes to watch the video after it was uploaded? People kinda suck, generally.
H8rs gonna H8
People just hate hunters, apparently
From someone playing a ranger before XGE came out.
I would say monster slayer excells when you dont know the dnd monsters and are new. It excells when you have no meta knowledge
As a side thought with the way dnd 5e deals with resistences and vulnerabilities inherintely makes it worse. If vulnerabilities and immunities were more common you could actually class it as s class just because it allows your party to fight effectively.
Okay the cut when they were both losing it over the portal joke was actually gold, I’m glad they kept that in.
I'm happy to see second part
I wanna make a gloomstalker/rogue multiclass now XD
Just imagine standing in the dark just hitting sneak attack everyhwere
Just add Bugbear into the mix and you're golden.
I listened to TAZ, zone of truth is the most important spell in the game!
My current Pc is a ranger I fully intended on making a Monster Slayer. Then, we got very attached to our axebeaks and now I’m having a blast playing my beastmaster.
Already ready for part 3!
So does the Horizon Walker, if they could collect Booming Blade, make it a better option since you can "BAMF" away requiring the target to chase after you if they want to hurt you thus triggering Booming Blade?
You can’t BAMF after the attack. It must be before. It doesn’t work like you think
Also, when you cast Booming Blade, you’re not taking the Attack Action. You’re taking the Cast A Spell Action.
With the monster slayer i think it would be better of instead of learning resistances and immunities you should learn strengths and weaknesses, which would be up to the DM to decide. For example, you could use it on a vampire and learn that they die in water
Looking forward to your Swarmkeeper analysis
Dudes, I've really needed to escape into your dulcet tones this week. Thanks.
Hopefully Jill is thriving and I look forward to the next game.
“It’s good with a ranged attack build.” Literally the only way I’ve seen a ranger make an attack in 5e.
Rangers need a bit more support for melee combat. Multiattack Defense for Hunter is pretty good at that, but it comes with the rather large opportunity cost of having to be a Hunter instead of nearly anything else.
Now I want to play Monster Hunter World again.
Holy wow!! Kelly got Monty to upgrade Planestalker - fantastic example of how these two DO think differently and thus compliment each other 🥰. Love your different takes on stuff.
I know you don’t grade in RP stuff or on niche abilities so much, but I like when you remind players that these neat niche abilities ( if they are good) - also can give GMs ideas on how to vary their campaigns to be different than just straight ahead , uncomplicated combat 👍
The "monster hunter" count killed me. lol Really really appreciating these videos. I love rangers and it is so helpful to hear about tactical applications of the various abilities. Now I just want to play all the subclasses! Can't wait to hear about the TCoE subclasses.
Fey Wander & Swarmkeep: (Stare out in window with teary eyes)
I don't know if they forgot it or if they'll make a part 3 honestly but it makes me sad. Maybe these videos were recorded before those were released? I don't know
Both terrible
We did not forget. As we've said repeatedly, we'll be covering thee new Tasha's subclasses once we've actually seen them in play. They only came out 2 months ago.
I really like these videos but there is something that irks me a little about their rankings. They always deem it as a negative when you have to choose what you're going to do with your actions/bonus actions and I fundamentally disagree with that perspective. Having one obvious thing to do every turn is boring, I want to make meaningful choices.
That and I think there overall ratings are usually to high
Looking forward to the next part of the ranger subclasses. I want to know how the Fey Wanderer and Swarmkeeper does in the rankings!
I really do love the sock monkey sweater that is so awesome!
So what I'm hearing is Assassin Rogue + Gloom Seeker Ranger for my next BBEG 😂
It's actually super mean, particularly if you add say...Alert...
Bear in mind that NPCs don't need to be constructed using PC classes. You can give your villains whatever abilities you want them to have.
@@DungeonDudes oh I'm aware. If I even HAVE a BBEG, I like to make them using the tools Players use. I usually don't have one, though.
Ah, yes... Monster Hunter, the famous subclass.
Geralt of Rivia approves
Monster Hunter from Monster Hunter approves
Don't lie. You probably call it Monster Hunter, too. I know I do. 😏
@@piedpiper1185 he’s right you know
@@Hesauce I hereby demand that the Monster Hunter class must use a ridiculously oversized weapon made from the organs and bones of monsters they've slain. Oh, and they acquire proficiency with a Hunting Horn at third level.
The Horizon Walker Detect Portal ability may seem niche, but when my DM described the villain using Dimension Door to escape my party, it became very useful. Detect Portal has a mile+ range- far beyond the 500ft range of Dimension door. My HW was able to track the where the villain exited his mini dimension pocket thing, with ease.
Now, I can imagine a determined DM ruling against this, but it makes a use for Detect Portal, out of a much more common situation in DnD than planes-hopping.
I wish this was RAW, because teleportation detection or finding where a Demi plane or rope trick is has some interesting applications, but unfortunately dimension door doesn’t actually open to a pocket dimension or create a portal
One good thing about the Ranger is this - d10 hit die. Given the same constitution modifier, it can have the same hp as a fighter of a paladin, making it a good backup tank, as Half Plate armor has 17 AC with 14 Dexterity.
It's called Monster Hunter now. it's officially Canon. The DDs have deemed it so.
As I’m watching Kelly say “Monster Hunter”, I find myself unable to recall what the actual subclass is called haha
Berenstein Bear effect in action
Looking forward to playing a Swarmkeeper Ranger, love the role playing opportunities
Love this, please do rogue or sorcerer soon!!
I'd wanna play a Monster Slayer multiclassed with a Grave Domain Cleirc to really push that kind of Diablo-esque gothy evil destroying demon hunter.
Spoiler: There are portals in Descent into Avernus. Horizon Walker feels useful.
-Hunter needs to upped 1 tier. It doesn't outright suck, but I agree that Horizon Walker and Gloom Stalker are better, but Monster Slayer is too specialized. Hunter is a good, solid, & vetsatile middle tier subclass! It's needs to a "B"!
The reasoning for hunter being C is that there is never any hypothetical scenario where it feels S. Its just not strong in a meaningful way. It can't compete with the higher ranked subclasses even under its best conditions.
@@Casino220 I dont really understand it tbh... Gloomstalker is almost always multiclassed, and its all about frontloading the first round of combat... Gloomstalker/Assasin with 3 attacks and autocrits along with sharpshooter seems the most common....
But doing the same with a rogue/hunter you get much more consistent damage throughout the entire fight and not just the first round of it....
Dudes, I'm loving those hoodies!
Totally making me want to play a Horizon Walker Ranger, ngl
For those wondering the extra attack on Dread Ambusher, as I hear a lot of people at my table ask about it.
Say you have a Heavy Crossbow (1d10)
If you trigger your extra attack with Dread Ambusher and you hit, you deal 1d10 + your dexterity modifier + 1d8.
It's a very strong first turn ability.
Ok, I agree, the "monster hunter" is really "meh". But what about the "monster slayer"
We played that if gloomstalker is fighting someone with Devilsight - that Warlock isn’t using Darkvision to see so then the gloomstalker will not be invisible to them.
this is RAW, and probably RAI, devil sight dont give you darkvision, it give you its advantages and more, but the Umbral Sight can't counter it
I mean, I am not surprised by the S-Rank on the Gloom Stalker after seeing Jill playing one :P Good stuff, Dudes!
Loved the Incorrect Name Use gag. Great bit!