Penn Central-volume1 part2
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- Опубликовано: 19 янв 2009
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Disc two --displays the 1969 operations, starting with January action in Michigan and Ohio. In spring we visit Windsor, Canada and then progress through Buffalo, New York, followed by Pittsburgh for more of Ohio and back to Michigan for more fall and winter action.
Variety is enhanced with wreck train equipment and a steam train through Buffalo. The Penn Central image was more evident, with sightings of more than one hundred trains. The count of the PC Heralds produced ninety-seven white worms.
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3:07 the truck wants to be Penn Central.
I was around and lived near the lesser used of a PRR to PC branch-line. If I had not been so busy with grade school and chores and the dogs and Lionel O Gauge, I might have watched it more closely.
The PRR would have been better being merged into the Norfolk & Western since they did not have so many parallel track lines like the PRR and NYC.
In the diesel era, the PRR made the mistake of not making large orders of diesel-electric locomotives to standardize their fleet.
I love that Penn central green and the Erie and Milwaukee road. Rock island rail roads .
Take me back to those days of railroading! Great people were out taking videos years ago to relive the memories.
Highly recommend a book called The Wreck of The PennCentral. It’s a business case study, great writing and reading …
I would love to have a copy of the book. I have seen a few of them for sale on Amazon /EBay but for the hardback they are a little bit expensive. I prefer hardback copies but just so I can read it I will probably end up getting the paperback.
the little impatient jumping the operator did would've been me, from experience, it gets real cold out here in Ohio, so I can feel for him
Tough when you’re dressed for inside work, then you have to come outside for that short time outside
@@paulne1514 very true
So loved the sound of the GP switching. Takes me back to my childhood days watching the switchers at the Elkart Ind. NYC yards.
Yeah but its horrible for them to throw the throttle around like that
Did the same at Fort Wayne's Yard! Some real characters worked there!
Good job for bringing back railroad history
My son really liked seeing the fallen flags like he sees at train shows, need to get this dvd soon.
I miss seeing cabooses on the ends of trains... I'm at the age (39) when they started disappearing.
Can I say I agree why did the caboose (van) disappear after 100+ years of existence in the United States & Canada
Would love to see one of those old cranes rerailing a locomotive. I used to operate a 60ton American diesel electric locomotive crane. Rerailing switchers, I could only pick up one end, teetering on 4 wheels, (put my heart right up to my throat) without outriggers. Could relax when all 8 wheels were on the rail.
I grew up with the P C. Even repainted an decaled my model RR in P C , complete with solvaset and weathering.
Do you have any video of that?
@@floridianrailauto9032 Sadly no, was long ago.
Many memories of Penn Central on The Water Level Route.
This is a really neat video. Drenched in nostalgia ♥️
That meat products train looks like it could be assembled from the Lionel and M.T.H. locos and cars sitting on the shelf at The Train Barn in Portage, MI.
I miss those cattle cars & cabooses.
Neat to see all the fallen flag roadnames on freight cars again I used to see back then.
Love those N8 cabins, even in PC paint!
Knowing the Penn Central, I thought the video was about the wreck train derailing....
Green frog films were what everyone elses were measured against
Well done! I enjoyed this excellent video!
They commonly tacked piggyback on the rear of their passenger trains. Chesapeake and Ohio did it, too, and so did Southern Railway, most notably on their Washington/Atlanta "Peach Queen", and in the 70s, "The Piedmont" ( not the top-flight "Piedmont Limited," discontinued in the early 60s.) The Piedmont was also a Washington, D.C./Atlanta train.
Sheesh. I was only 17 days old on this date. 😁
3107 at the beginning sure looks like an old PRR locomotive 🚂 🤔
Actually continuous welded rail goes back to the 30's/40's
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Good video I never saw a wreck train moving down the tracks
Real Good Remembering those days & times !!!👍
Penn Central was forced to take over the new Haven. Penn Central wanted nothing to do with them. On average the PC had about 2500 derailments of differing severity in any given month. by the middle of 1970 45% of their freight cars were deemed unusable making them loose over $150,000 a day in lost revenue.
Kevin Howard sheesh that’s rough
I Enjoyed this video a lot.
15 years of deferred maintenance on track not doing Amtrak 5 years earlier outdated regulations all of the above killed the PC. They never had a chance. It took the comprehensive solution of Conrail to cut the multiple routes ,fix the track and deal with the outdated way of doing things. It actually had a happy ending for the most part except that many people lost jobs
If the National Environmental Policy Act of 1970 had been in effect when the St. Lawrence Seaway was being planned, the EIS would have told everyone that the Seaway would have a major impact on Northeastern railroads, so it would be a good idea to plan for that. The Seaway killed Halifax, NS, of course, but it had knock-on effects all over the eastern half of North America. In other words, the "Wreck of the Penn Central" was not entirely the fault of the railroad managers, or unions; too much track, too many people, and too little traffic is always bad news.
Totally destroyed Buffalo
not to mention the regulatory enviroment made it worse. But this is a new point that I never examined. With this information, government is still to blame for the collapse of the Penn Central, just not I have a longer list of reasons why.
@@jtkm Nah. Not enough carloads to haul.
It would be great to build a new, larger layout somewhere else, since The Train Barn is now closed. It would have to be trackside near the Vicksburg Union Depot, right where the Hotel and Little Bros. Feed Silos & Elevator were located, which was beside the Pennsylvania Railroad tracks.
Hello from Kansas 🇺🇸
An NYC locomotive grabbing a C&O boxcar. Foreshadowing ftw.
I got a kick out of this video. It shows lead Loco E8 in NYC livery. Her # is 4045. My father and I saw this same loco in Syracuse NY in 1977 as Penn Central loco #262. She had quite a career.
Flat wheel most likely, notice how after the first few cars pass (and film transition to another shot angle), then the noise is gone. One of the old cattle cars probably had a flat spot on the wheel.
Heard the reason for the car haulers to be enclosed was to prevent theft of the radio's! !!
That an damage from kids throwing rocks an breaking windows but I do like the colorful assortment of those old Ford Pickups even though those had problems staying in park my dad had a 68 I had just topped off the radiator an was talking to a friend put my foot on the bumper to tie my boot an it went into gear an hit my truck
So where the hell is the wrecked train? I never seen it, jus trains running back n forth😭😭 What's up with that!!
That was one good looking wreck train consist there eh?
Penn-Central ended when PC and many other railroads were merged into ConRail.
Is this a New York Central line? I see mostly Penn Centrals which were former new York Centrals, and only 1 PRR
yes its the old michigan central
The GP7 sounds like a GP38-2 because their similarly built. The GP38-2 has bigger cylinders and more of them as well. That's pretty much the only difference. I'm Mostly into the GP38-2 Because they have a better rev in my opinion.
I live right near telegraph curve. lol
If the ICC never forced the PC to take in the NH, they _might_ have been able to survive
No the Pennsyl was bloated and bad match with central....The New Haven ws an awesome rr that got clobbered by taxpayer funded roads and airport..
Plus that crook Mcginnis....
@@chuckabbate5924 McGinnis was much better than Mellon (Guilford)
4:35 is the best
Ia nobody gonna mention how unnecessarily big the wreck train was?
RJ Corman likes this video
whats that constant quick banging from the freight cars at 2:08 ?
A flat wheel.
What's up at 4:50? Is he cold or does he need a potty break?
He's cold, the narrator literally says that.
Thank Ted Kennedy for forcing PC to suck in NH...
Lame
@@chuckabbate5924 turth. also thank your fed gov for forcing the Prr on the NYC even with the Prr losing money since the End of WW2. Al perman could run a rail road. the Prr could not
I couldn't make out the lettering on those blue boxcars at 2:36. God bless.
Needham Packing Co.
long live the P&E
What’s the name of the music in this?
It is called - "That's JAZZ" from a Pro Music Library back in the early 1990's
Why did the wreck train consists of so many cars and a caboose? No wonder the railroad went bankrupt. I noticed the new Ford pickups are being shipped out in the open with no protection from the elements, potential road hazards, theft and vandalism. The railroads were really struggling during this era. It's a shame.
Space for the wreck crews and to put any salvageable parts like wheels, truck, etc. that weren't destroyed from the derailment.
Russell Streak Thanks. I hadn't thought of that.
g bridgman No problem. It feels good lending my knowledge to an elder. As for the autoracks, the narrator explains it in Penn Central Volume 2. They were eventually closed in to eliminate vandalism to the cargo. As for the railroads going bankrupt, well it was pretty bad for all the railroads in the Northeast. The Pennsylvania wasn't doing too well by the late 60s, and when the ICC merged it with the New York Central, things got bad so quickly because of the polar operating practices, and merging the New Haven into Penn Central made things worse as that railroad was also struggling. PC's bankruptcy caused a chain reaction which sent the Northeast's Coal Roads (Delaware & Hudson, Lehigh Valley, Reading, Erie Lackawanna, Reading, and Central Railroad of New Jersey) to spiral down even faster. The Coal Roads were already struggling with the coal business going down, and with the Penn Central taking up a lot of tracks used on transfer runs from the other railroads, they all basically got screwed. My only question is why did it take government 6 years to make Conrail and rectify the problems?
Russell Streak It's a terrible tragedy what happened to the northeast railroads. All you say here is true. The Lehigh & Hudson River was another victim of Penn Central's insolvency. The New Haven was certainly a monkey wrench in the PC merger along with political infighting. EL per force joined Contrail after the 1972 hurricane devastated them even further. The entire northeast railroad scene would have been different if EL could have stayed out of Conrail. I'm sorry the Lake Cities didn't get turned over to Amtrak. If EL could have held onto to that one more year maybe it would have been different. Competition from trucks, declining industry and the St. Lawrence Seaway didn't help, either. That it took government 6 years to wake up shouldn't surprise us. When do they ever do anything in a timely matter even to this day? Getting back to the autoracks for a minute, it just amazed me at how careless the shippers and the railroads were with the cargo back then. On top of that if you had a derailment, you were really screwed with all those new vehicles smashed up. Thanks for your input. We could probably kick this subject around all day.
g bridgman Considering I'm a teenager with ADHD, that's an extremely likely possibility my friend. Yeah, derailments of autoracks back then would be a real kick to the gut. Makes me wonder what would've happened if we didn't end up standardizing with contrainers and continued on with piggyback traffic.
PC is 1 of the rr i didnt like. & i wasnt round when it was around. PRR & NH were better alon
Well by the time that PC came about, the NH was almost bankrupt because of styfling comitter traffic and a lack of carload traffic. Most of it's routes parraleled each other by only a couple miles. It also didn't help that most of the businesses that they used to serve had closed.
As for the great and might standard railroad of the world, it was basically bankrupt itself, but was moving it's debt around to it's other company's it controlled to make the Railroad look like it was proffetable. The NYC was getting to be the same way. The biggest issue was that before the merger, the NYC CEO went around making it so that his workers at the yards and passenger terminals would get to stay on, while saying that the PRR people would leave. Meanwhile the PRR people where saying the same about their own workers. In reality, most of the cost saving they should have had went up in smoke due to not being able to reduce unneeded and excess lines, terminals, and workers. It also didn't help that when they got forced the NH, they where not allowed to get rid of the commuter oporations.
When both have broke contract of no more then twenty percent breach of merge there Central railas to a monopoly an trust act I see conrail assets. Looking to the future Central New York
Good bye Penn Central. Hello CSX!
@realgraff16 Flat Wheel
flat wheel
@ 2:06
This is the PC. Is it really that suprising?
NEEDHAM
PACKING-COMPANY INCORPORATED
M.T.H. made O scale models of the Needham Packing Company Insulated or Refrigerated Box Cars sometime in the past 14 years.
If those were the blue ones towards the rear that's what I was trying to see thanks
pc asked for it ns is so much better
+devin baker well of course NS is better i mean they have a lot more money.
But dont just hate on them because PC ran out of money.
+Shane The squid films NS also merged two very profitable railroads who already had a plan for merger with each other.
PC was a failure from it's conception. It was literally a mistake.
We conrail guys used to call them the nazi southern because of the rumored militaristic way they ran their railroad, none of us wanted to work for them, we all wanted csx to take us in.
@@stevekalis139 I've heard that from B&P crews seems word gets around
00:01... since when is it the govts role to FORCE company mergers??????... government please do everyone a GIANT favor... stay out of the business of business