Growing up in Doncaster nothing makes more sense than dumping all the Eastern traffic into Collingwood and then washing your hands of it. Absolute disgrace.
Hey Phillip, I discovered your channel today and obviously missed the poll for suggested Forgotten Freeways. I'd like to learn more about the eternally proposed Heallesville Freeway and why, according to the Melway Street Directory in editions going back to #1 from 1966, seemed to terminate at Hull and Mooroolbark Rds. I was fascinated to see in the 2040 plan that it formed part of a loop that ran further north, interconnected with the Maroondah and Melba Highways in Coldstream then continued around towards, Kangaroo Ground to meet the M80, and that this was considered as a possible route for the North East Link.
So instead of a freeway we built other rubbish on the gardens that could have gone on any scrap land like the Docklands area such as the every expanding Tennis centre.
So this is a basic version of the still missing east-west link. It got you from west gate freeway to eastern freeway. And to think that more than 60 years later we still don't have one!!!
I'd love to see you do a video about the Hume Freeway. I live in Wodonga and it is a vital part of our infrastructure, cutting travel times between Wodonga and Albury in half. It would be great to learn about all the bypasses along the route.
Philip Mallis, in 1967, my parents rented a victorian terrace house in Jolimont Terrace which was owned by the Melbourne Metropolitan Board of Works, purchased in preparation for the F1.
@@philipmallis, MMBW had acquired most of Jolimont Terrace properties & from memory it was coming along Clarendon Street, East Melbourne, down our Terrace then west of the Western stand of the MCG !
I've been watching all these Forgotten Freeway Documentaries, if they all went to plan Melbourne would be a different functioning city traffic wise. While when I was working in Mulgrave I heard people mentioning that the Westall Road Extension was to go all the way to Fern Tree Gully Road .
If this had been built I would not need to travel via Kew to get from the Westgate to the Eastern freeway and vise versa. Yes Kewbians a large part of the traffic you experience is doing nothing more than going from one freeway to the other.
Not hard to imagine. Many of the world's great sporting venues are in close proximity to Freeways. As long as you have well serviced accessible car parks in the vicinity it actually creates a much greater experience for sports fans. Back in the day, there was nothing nicer than driving your car to the "G', parking within a few 100 metres of the ground itself. Especially when the Public Transport to the outer suburbs wasn't as good as it is these days
@@shrikelet at least you can’t see it. I hate governments that see parkland as free land for public facilities. Same reason I never liked the Tennis Centre as it stole from parkland when it could have been built on old industrial land in Docklands.
Glad they canned that one, as I live in Canterbury Rd ;-) They must have been totally and utterly mad to plan freeways down here, up Exhibition St, Lansdowne St, and all that, and multiple cases of freeways within a mile or two of each other but not joined up. I remember all the controversies well, and the cancellation, which came as no surprise. Curious also that it was the Country Roads Board that planned it all. Not within their bailiwick, one would have thought.
I could never understand the protests about the eastern freeway tunnel. Imagine being so churlish the residents protested against a tunnel taking traffic out of Alexander parade and surrounds and the gardens and preferred to leave it on the surface streets affecting them far greater. It’s only going to get worse and worse for them and potential less money or will to do anything about it so they have condemned themselves to a worse outcome.
Elliott Avenue is a total disgrace because the alternative was rejected by both the Labour Party and the Greens in cohorts. The latter group are NOT concerned about the fumes from the stalled cars and trucks in the middle of Royal Park sitting in Elliott Avenue waiting for lights to turn on either Flemington Road or Royal Parade; they are hypocrites and the Labour Party doesn't care with a Premier who has killed the economy with mindless lockdowns which were never needed.
And the current government thinks e we have a bottomless pit of money and we can’t go bankrupt. News for you - cars are going no where. Would I want the proposed freeways in this - no. But building new roads is not inherently wrong.
@@presidentxijinpingspoxdoct9756 Just think of the 1960's &70's and the Bolte Government. And also the blue asbestos trains as well in which what they introduced. Anything else?.
Your discussion regarding Ring Roads is interesting and educational. It is also depressing. Having seen the way in which Ring Roads can be effective in Europe, it beggars belief that the Town Planners here did not lay out a simplified Ring Road Network for Melbourne post Second World War. By now we should have at least THREE Ring Roads circling Melbourne. One close in connecting St Kilda, East Melbourne, Clifton Hill, Carlton, Flemington, Footscray, Williamstown. Another one for the middle suburbs connecting Mentone up to Chadstone then up Warrigal Road towards Doncaster, then turning West thru Bulleen towards Bell St. Along to Preston, across to Keilor and then turn south and end down past Point Cook. And finally an outer Ring Road that begins at Frankson, over to Cranbourne, then north thru Narre Warren up to Ferntree Gully., continuing north to Croydon then veering west across Warrandyte, then Eltham, then Greensborough. From there follow the existing outer Ring Road Route around to Deer Park, and then onto Werribee. Three concentric Rings which could be interconnected by the other Freeways and Toll ways that have been constructed.
@@anastasiosdimtsis1 Presumably you are talking about John Cain SENIOR! John Cain JUNIOR loved railways. His Government transformed Victoria's Railways in the 1980s by upgrading most of the rail stock and streamlining many of the timetables. Unfortunately, the next Liberal Premier basically destroyed all of that good work by closing down many railway services in favour of upgrading existing Freeways and turning them into to Tollways. It is one thing to build new roads and expect users to pay tolls. Completely different thing to start charging people to use roads that were previously "free" to use.
and tens of thousands of houses, shops, parks, and council buildings all across the city would've been demolished and forgotten. Melbourne would've become a boring city crammed full of congested freeways dumping traffic onto even more congested roads. have you seen the West Gate Fwy Kings Way offramp? all that traffic coming in from the western suburbs just gets unloaded onto Kings Way. this is not an efficient mode of transportation
@@ordinaryman2299 I like how Melbourne isn't a mirror image of the typical dystopian North American city criss-crossed by 10+ lane monstrosities of asphalt and concrete. Melbourne is a lively city full of parks and open space galore, where people can walk around and enjoy the scenery. it should stay that way
Growing up in Doncaster nothing makes more sense than dumping all the Eastern traffic into Collingwood and then washing your hands of it.
Absolute disgrace.
The Punt Road/Horsley street route is a nightmare and I wish they had figured it out back then and not put all north south traffic on that one road
Stumbled across your channel today. Very interesting and some great history of Melbourne 👌🏻keep up the great work
Whenever I see an update in this series, I always look forward to watching the video- to me it’s must-see viewing.
Hey Phillip, I discovered your channel today and obviously missed the poll for suggested Forgotten Freeways. I'd like to learn more about the eternally proposed Heallesville Freeway and why, according to the Melway Street Directory in editions going back to #1 from 1966, seemed to terminate at Hull and Mooroolbark Rds. I was fascinated to see in the 2040 plan that it formed part of a loop that ran further north, interconnected with the Maroondah and Melba Highways in Coldstream then continued around towards, Kangaroo Ground to meet the M80, and that this was considered as a possible route for the North East Link.
So instead of a freeway we built other rubbish on the gardens that could have gone on any scrap land like the Docklands area such as the every expanding Tennis centre.
So this is a basic version of the still missing east-west link. It got you from west gate freeway to eastern freeway.
And to think that more than 60 years later we still don't have one!!!
I'd love to see you do a video about the Hume Freeway. I live in Wodonga and it is a vital part of our infrastructure, cutting travel times between Wodonga and Albury in half. It would be great to learn about all the bypasses along the route.
I enjoyed the old footage of Sydney at the beginning. Takes me back to when I was a boy…
Philip Mallis, in 1967, my parents rented a victorian terrace house in Jolimont Terrace which was owned by the Melbourne Metropolitan Board of Works, purchased in preparation for the F1.
Wow I didn't realise that they went to the extent to purchase properties for this, thanks for sharing!
@@philipmallis, MMBW had acquired most of Jolimont Terrace properties & from memory it was coming along Clarendon Street, East Melbourne, down our Terrace then west of the Western stand of the MCG !
Thanks Philip. Your series of videos is a 'must see'.
I've been watching all these Forgotten Freeway Documentaries, if they all went to plan Melbourne would be a different functioning city traffic wise. While when I was working in Mulgrave I heard people mentioning that the Westall Road Extension was to go all the way to Fern Tree Gully Road .
Thanks for sharing. Very interesting. There's always something to learn about Melbourne.
Great Philip. Enjoyed your tutorial on the history of the F1. Have a great Easter. 👍🏽
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it, you too!
If this had been built I would not need to travel via Kew to get from the Westgate to the Eastern freeway and vise versa. Yes Kewbians a large part of the traffic you experience is doing nothing more than going from one freeway to the other.
4:20 imagine how weird it would be to have a freeway right next to the mcg, through a park and through where the open is now played! wow
i find also what is interesting on that map where Melbourne Park now is was a Scotch College oval
I don't know what made them think they could run it between what was then VFL HQ and the MCG.
@@Alexander_Dunn
why? Don’t you now the history of Melbourne. It was only like 20 years ago.
Not hard to imagine. Many of the world's great sporting venues are in close proximity to Freeways. As long as you have well serviced accessible car parks in the vicinity it actually creates a much greater experience for sports fans. Back in the day, there was nothing nicer than driving your car to the "G', parking within a few 100 metres of the ground itself. Especially when the Public Transport to the outer suburbs wasn't as good as it is these days
Very informative video. It's hard to wrap my head around the idea that anyone wanted to build a freeway right through the botannical gardens.
Instead we have one right under it…..which I suppose is a victory.
@@xr6lad LOL Small mercies I guess
@@shrikelet at least you can’t see it. I hate governments that see parkland as free land for public facilities. Same reason I never liked the Tennis Centre as it stole from parkland when it could have been built on old industrial land in Docklands.
Nice work Philip, subscribed.
Glad they canned that one, as I live in Canterbury Rd ;-) They must have been totally and utterly mad to plan freeways down here, up Exhibition St, Lansdowne St, and all that, and multiple cases of freeways within a mile or two of each other but not joined up.
I remember all the controversies well, and the cancellation, which came as no surprise.
Curious also that it was the Country Roads Board that planned it all. Not within their bailiwick, one would have thought.
Great video, really interesting.
would love to see a vid on the F9 healsville freeway.. living out this way all my life would be great to get more info on it
Notice how punt Road/Hoddle Street get very congested around the time of the football season it’s like a carpark out there
I enjoyed that, thank you
well the F2 didn't go through the heart of expensive residential areas.... hence the F1 was abandoned and the F2 sort continued ....
Forgotten freeways and forgotten bridges!
Thanks, fascinating
can you please make a video on the F19, more specifically the part not constructed between hoddle st and citilink?
Ah the joys of Punt road and being stuck in gridlock on Elliott Avenue by the Zoo.
I could never understand the protests about the eastern freeway tunnel. Imagine being so churlish the residents protested against a tunnel taking traffic out of Alexander parade and surrounds and the gardens and preferred to leave it on the surface streets affecting them far greater. It’s only going to get worse and worse for them and potential less money or will to do anything about it so they have condemned themselves to a worse outcome.
Elliott Avenue is a total disgrace because the alternative was rejected by both the Labour Party and the Greens in cohorts. The latter group are NOT concerned about the fumes from the stalled cars and trucks in the middle of Royal Park sitting in Elliott Avenue waiting for lights to turn on either Flemington Road or Royal Parade; they are hypocrites and the Labour Party doesn't care with a Premier who has killed the economy with mindless lockdowns which were never needed.
So they should have left the F1 and we wouldn’t have the nightmares of Punt and Hoddle now.
next do the F2 i loved it
Thanks! And yes the F2 is next on the list to do
@@philipmallis ive got a thumbnail for you to do make it the thumbnail of craigieburn because thats the start of the freeway
and show this comment on that video
Surprised by your 'Freeway' tag, nothing like what I'd call a freeway.
As described, it fulfils every criteria to be defined as a "Freeway".
Even today, the state Coalition opposition still think "inside the box."
Whereas Dictator Dan prefers to have us locked in a box.
And the current government thinks e we have a bottomless pit of money and we can’t go bankrupt. News for you - cars are going no where. Would I want the proposed freeways in this - no. But building new roads is not inherently wrong.
@@presidentxijinpingspoxdoct9756 Just think of the 1960's &70's and the Bolte Government. And also the blue asbestos trains as well in which what they introduced. Anything else?.
@@xr6lad A state government can't be bankrupt. I was referring to the Bolte Coalition Government. Have a nice day.
Your discussion regarding Ring Roads is interesting and educational. It is also depressing. Having seen the way in which Ring Roads can be effective in Europe, it beggars belief that the Town Planners here did not lay out a simplified Ring Road Network for Melbourne post Second World War. By now we should have at least THREE Ring Roads circling Melbourne. One close in connecting St Kilda, East Melbourne, Clifton Hill, Carlton, Flemington, Footscray, Williamstown. Another one for the middle suburbs connecting Mentone up to Chadstone then up Warrigal Road towards Doncaster, then turning West thru Bulleen towards Bell St. Along to Preston, across to Keilor and then turn south and end down past Point Cook. And finally an outer Ring Road that begins at Frankson, over to Cranbourne, then north thru Narre Warren up to Ferntree Gully., continuing north to Croydon then veering west across Warrandyte, then Eltham, then Greensborough. From there follow the existing outer Ring Road Route around to Deer Park, and then onto Werribee. Three concentric Rings which could be interconnected by the other Freeways and Toll ways that have been constructed.
John Cain hated freeways. He really was a backwards Premier.
Hated railways too!!
@@anastasiosdimtsis1 Presumably you are talking about John Cain SENIOR! John Cain JUNIOR loved railways. His Government transformed Victoria's Railways in the 1980s by upgrading most of the rail stock and streamlining many of the timetables. Unfortunately, the next Liberal Premier basically destroyed all of that good work by closing down many railway services in favour of upgrading existing Freeways and turning them into to Tollways. It is one thing to build new roads and expect users to pay tolls. Completely different thing to start charging people to use roads that were previously "free" to use.
These ones were cancelled by Rupert Hamer ...
Glad that this wasn't built.
the should have built all these f series freeways melbourne would have been better off, travel would have been easy !!!
and tens of thousands of houses, shops, parks, and council buildings all across the city would've been demolished and forgotten. Melbourne would've become a boring city crammed full of congested freeways dumping traffic onto even more congested roads. have you seen the West Gate Fwy Kings Way offramp? all that traffic coming in from the western suburbs just gets unloaded onto Kings Way. this is not an efficient mode of transportation
@@TheLostProbe and you like it this way ???
@@ordinaryman2299 I like how Melbourne isn't a mirror image of the typical dystopian North American city criss-crossed by 10+ lane monstrosities of asphalt and concrete. Melbourne is a lively city full of parks and open space galore, where people can walk around and enjoy the scenery. it should stay that way
you like congestion ???
@@ordinaryman2299 building more freeways does not fix congestion. it makes it worse
The title is misleading. It reads as if, once upon a time there used to be a freeway but is now no longer there. Same with the other freeway videos.
I disagree. I understood the title perfectly well.
Something like "The freeways that never were" makes much more sense 👍
How can you forget something that never existed? 🤔
the freeway was once planned but not built and people forgot about it
so “forgotten” is technically correct
@@adavirus69 well explained
@@adavirus69 Thats exactly right - planned.
Title should be Melbourne's Forgotten Planned Freeways.