How to get SUPER DEAD DRUM sounds

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  • @JakeReedmusic
    @JakeReedmusic  2 года назад +203

    Let the microphones do the work!

    • @JackNiles
      @JackNiles Год назад +4

      Question. What does the rain have to do with the bass drum tuning?

    • @JakeReedmusic
      @JakeReedmusic  Год назад +5

      @@JackNiles I have a calfskin head on this bass drum so it absorbs a lot of moisture in the air due to the rain, which makes it sound deeper.

    • @JackNiles
      @JackNiles Год назад +3

      @@JakeReedmusic very interesting, so does humidity effect tuning of plastic drum heads also?

    • @JakeReedmusic
      @JakeReedmusic  Год назад +7

      @@JackNiles no, just porous skin drum heads.

    • @SAHBfan
      @SAHBfan Год назад +2

      I have animals,ins on my kit, too… sometimes it can be a bit of a pain - I have to tune before every gig, although I’m getting very quick at it due to all the practice 😊

  • @MsTechism
    @MsTechism Год назад +327

    You're straight up one of the first people who isn't trying to sell me some secret sauce and really be real about how the musician, kit and how they play together really affects the sound and not just all the crazy expensive gear, etc etc. Officially a big fan!

    • @Dana__black
      @Dana__black Год назад

      First people? Really? Gawk gawk 3000 in full effect.

    • @robco1727
      @robco1727 11 месяцев назад

      @@Dana__blackcommented this 11 months ago and you’re still dick eating lmao

  • @joshrichensproducer2201
    @joshrichensproducer2201 2 года назад +71

    I am 2 seconds in and this is my FAVOURITE JAKE REED VIDEO EVER

  • @jenserjenson4407
    @jenserjenson4407 2 года назад +102

    not even a drummer but I appreciate your videos so much, especially the performances with Kait and Sean. Thank you!

    • @JakeReedmusic
      @JakeReedmusic  2 года назад +3

      Thank you for the kind words! Kait and Sean rule!

  • @JohnLawsonMusic
    @JohnLawsonMusic Год назад +4

    I’ve been on the fence for a while about trying something like this (or even halfway ‘dead’) with my kit at home. I love how you acknowledge the impact of the sound of the room itself, doors open/closed. So many people ignore all of the different variables that go into the sound of any instrument or voice or mix. I lead worship at a church that uses a pretty small venue, and a very lively room. I can see this type of set up for drums working super well in that context as most of our sets tend to be acoustic.
    Great work and thank you so much for sharing your process! You could’ve done a really quick two minute overview, but, showing how thorough you are in your process, speaks to the depth and seriousness that we should all use for our own context.

  • @thahacksaw
    @thahacksaw 2 года назад +33

    Dude, you're such a legend. Seriously! All of your jam videos are an absolute blast. But this sorta thing is what I live for. This isn't a drum sound I would use often, but it's probably a favorite drum tone of mine. And you just nail it, Sir! Thanks for taking us thru your setup. I really appreciate your casual approach to tuning. You just adjust until it sounds/feels right. Experience and personal aesthetic making for a killer result. A++

  • @NLind
    @NLind 2 месяца назад +1

    Love the sample pack, I’ve been using it on my SPD-SX Pro with a band as well as a jam session group I play with whenever we need a 70s/super dead sound.

  • @mostyles328
    @mostyles328 Год назад +8

    Sean Hurley is a master of knowing just what to play... and more importantly, what not to play. Nice jam!

  • @LedWolf7
    @LedWolf7 2 года назад +127

    Love hearing your sound and seeing your playing in context with jazz fusion players, more videos with this group if possible please and thank you, keyboard player shreds 😵

    • @JakeReedmusic
      @JakeReedmusic  2 года назад +24

      Thanks! More to come! There’s an entire album with this band coming out in a few months.

    • @MrBassgreen
      @MrBassgreen 2 года назад

      keyboard player shreds 😵💯

    • @santiagoperez870
      @santiagoperez870 4 месяца назад

      @@JakeReedmusicwheres can i find that album!? this fucking slaps

    • @JakeReedmusic
      @JakeReedmusic  4 месяца назад

      @@santiagoperez870 Thanks! Kait Dunton is the artist. The album is called Keyboards.

  • @remiprevost818
    @remiprevost818 2 года назад +50

    What a great drum sound !! wow ! sooo cool :) and your session at the end was awesome !

  • @RhettShull
    @RhettShull Год назад +4

    60 seconds in, instant sub. This is such a helpful video.

  • @iteli
    @iteli Месяц назад

    I just ordered my first drum set online, and this is exactly the tone I love. THANK YOU

  •  2 года назад +2

    1:59 That blanket is what I use for my room's acoustic treatment

  • @christofabsurd
    @christofabsurd Год назад +3

    I used to think i was a musician until I watched your final mix jam sesh at the end... you guys are pros. Flawless.

  • @johnsausage
    @johnsausage 2 года назад +21

    The beauty of sample packs are (or samples in general): It inspires you to play with the samples like pieces of Lego. Build new stuff out of tiny sound fragments. For example at 0:32 you could cut and edit the text "sample pack" to make the words "pample sack"... but I don't even know what a pample sack is.. which makes me think about my thought process when looking for a play of word that barely makes sense and isn't really funny. But at some point if you don't laugh at it, laugh at the person, laugh for someone trying to be funny at all cost or simply feeling embarrassed for people writing such terrible comments, then I guess you are super dead inside 🙂. Which brings me back to this video which is a joy to watch and really helpful. Keep it up!

    • @funkbungus137
      @funkbungus137 Год назад +2

      we used to go down to the place as youths, you know the one, and well it was the popular thing at the time to get yourself maybe one, but probably 3 or 4 pamples, you know tie em together by the bpm, and hang em off your belt. One day Fred, that was my friend's name -Fred. Well one day Fred got the idea, you see his dad was a hobo. Like an honest to goodness bean eating, rail car riding, big rock candy mountain style hobo. And a hobo would often carry with him a bindle, that's not important to the story though, Fred, well Fred's hobo dad had a sack of potatoes we learned about from Fred's Mom, so we took the pamples (We had maybe 10 between the two of us, I forget, it was around the time 808 one hits would just. You know, who counts?) 10 maybe we had. and well, The long and short of it is Fred cut his thumb pealing the potatoes from the sack, and it got infected.
      So Margaret Thatcher (thats what Joe Biden's name was back then) banned pample's, and lord save me, they knew not to go after a mans sack, so we still got those, but you'd be hard pressed to get a good pample for it these days.

    • @johnsausage
      @johnsausage Год назад

      @@funkbungus137 loool :D

    • @gargaduk
      @gargaduk Год назад +1

      Oh, a simple pack :)
      Hey! What are you thinking about, that's nasty...

  • @bustamante-music
    @bustamante-music Год назад +2

    not a drummer but this guy seems so lovable and when you showed all the drums with the effects and mics together it sounded sick!

  • @Johnnybananass-_
    @Johnnybananass-_ Год назад

    Duck down pillows packed in the kick drum are magic too . There super light but so dense they deaden so much tone fast . And not a solid mass of fabric , worth trying if you can get your hands on a few duck down pillows stuff the kick so they touch the batter skin

  • @literallyjeff
    @literallyjeff 2 года назад +8

    still my favorite sample pack, I loaded it into my electronic kit and it's really fun to jam with

    • @omarcapaso7156
      @omarcapaso7156 2 года назад

      How do you do that?

    • @literallyjeff
      @literallyjeff 2 года назад +2

      @@omarcapaso7156 I took the samples on a USB in a format my kit prefers, like .wav with correct bitrate (you may need to consult the manual). Then plugged it into my drum module and imported the samples into memory. Then edited a user kit assigning the new sounds to each corresponding piece.

  • @MustafaShaheen
    @MustafaShaheen 2 года назад +16

    Thank you so much for contributing to RUclips university! Always learn a ton from you. Let the mics do the work!

  • @cartwright420able
    @cartwright420able 2 года назад +1

    Had a Slingerland blue satin kit in the early 70's. wish I still had it.

  • @TakiInoueDidNothingWrong
    @TakiInoueDidNothingWrong Месяц назад

    Very cool! James Murphy of LCD Soundsystem has a Gretsch Round Badge and his tone is my favorite dry, disco drum tone. It's almost like halfway between acoustic drums and an analog drum machine and that's perfect for dance music.

  • @ziccuj
    @ziccuj 2 года назад +2

    I enjoyed the sounds a lot! Thank you for this excellent video and all the best from Finland!

  • @Leonnoelmusic
    @Leonnoelmusic 2 года назад +2

    By putting the bricks inside the drum you are mass loading the drum. As you add mass it lowers the fundamental pitch and quickens the decay. Try a 10 lb bag of rice. Put it in a pillowcase so you don't have any accidental spills. It has a better effect the more surface area makes contact with the shell.
    Back in the day they used to use a can of paint full of sand

    • @chinmeysway
      @chinmeysway 2 года назад +1

      Hmm sounds similar to bass trap ideology. Interesting! Makes sense

    • @Leonnoelmusic
      @Leonnoelmusic 2 года назад

      @@chinmeysway very much so You're on the right track!

  • @bveracka
    @bveracka Год назад

    When I was a kid and practicing all the time, my dad (who was a drummer too) used to put towels or old pillowcases/linens on my drum heads so they'd be quieter. He also thought it'd help me develop my stick control because it significantly reduces rebound. Not sure if he was right, but if you play with stuff like that on your heads for a while and then go back to bare heads, you'll notice your strokes feel different (in a good way).
    Generally I don't like muffling _at all_ - especially with real nice drums, as they sound so good when properly tuned. However, in certain situations and for some genres, muffling is a fun way to experiment with your sound.

  • @user-qt6qf5xe6z
    @user-qt6qf5xe6z 2 года назад +1

    GAH the max roach tribute at 15:15 just lovely

    • @JakeReedmusic
      @JakeReedmusic  2 года назад

      Thanks! He's an every-present influence.

  • @medula
    @medula Год назад

    I discovered the relationship between transients and tone several years ago when tracking records at home. Songs that I recorded in a mellow way always sounded phat and loud. I haven't really heard anyone talk about this until I found your videos. I heard a similar thing from some guitarists. They say if you turn an amp up super loud and play softly it sounds huge. Anyway, thanks for the video! I'm going to take my bottom heads off and try this whole set up. Cheers!

  • @onMyOwnAccord-hw2gd
    @onMyOwnAccord-hw2gd Год назад

    Bro I cannot describe how much I love the real/genuine-ness of your videos

  • @ChristopherDillman
    @ChristopherDillman Год назад

    This is a terrific tutorial, thank you for sharing!
    The time finally arrived when my son said - 'Dad, I want to play your drum set'. But given it's a DW with a 24in bass drum, I need to keep the good graces with the neighbors and volume down the whole kit. Maybe I'll have luck with your trick to muffle the bass drum - even a 24in one? Can't wait to try!

  • @Chicken-1923
    @Chicken-1923 11 месяцев назад

    I love this kind of sound for the drums, it sounds so warm

  • @coffeehigh420
    @coffeehigh420 2 года назад +7

    the most important thing is to invest in a dehumidifier. if the rain OUTSIDE is making that much of a difference INSIDE, you will definitely damage your audio equipment (mics included) if that much humidity is coming in because of exterior rain / outdoor elements. Trust me dude, this is coming from experience.

    • @JakeReedmusic
      @JakeReedmusic  2 года назад +5

      99.9% of the time it’s not an issue in Southern California but that is a good idea!

  • @pfaprado
    @pfaprado Месяц назад

    You are the sample pack guy! When it shows up on my timeline I always give a listen to that ad lol

  • @TheMixtape11
    @TheMixtape11 Год назад

    Awesome. I was sortof headed in this direction. Thank you for sharing!

  • @lowbrasswarrior4097
    @lowbrasswarrior4097 Год назад +1

    This sounded amazing!! Cant wait to hear what else you guys do!

  • @32herz
    @32herz 2 года назад +1

    I have the super dead drum sample pack and the suuuuuper simple beats ARE THE BEST SONWRITING TOOL I'VE COME ACROSS IN ALONG TIME! seriously, vey often, I want just a simple beat to play along that is not too intrusive but still sound like a drumset. Somehow this has ben incredibly hard to do for other people (and drum machine manufacturers, sheehs, DR-600 was the last one with enough simplicity). Thank you so much for sample set you made!

  • @capabartz7380
    @capabartz7380 2 года назад +1

    Here’s a fun thing. Meinel makes this thing called a beat box, and it has this crazy beater that comes with it. If you buy just the beater and modify it to work as a bass drum beater it sounds nuts. The beater is super wide and has a crazy soft head. I really dig it.

  • @stevebenitah7453
    @stevebenitah7453 11 месяцев назад +3

    Your drum tone is absolutely world class. Thanks for sharing this incredible knowledge.

  • @godbelow
    @godbelow 11 месяцев назад +1

    6:32 Do I have a different definition or clockwise? Or am I missing something here.

  • @pressspacetostop
    @pressspacetostop 2 года назад

    awesome vid super insightful and surpisingly hard to find this kind of drum recording content. thx for upload

  • @chrisgroshong
    @chrisgroshong 2 года назад +1

    Nice advice. I didn't care much for a dead sound but the information from trial and error is invaluable. It's something I just haven't tried. And the playing here with the duo really made me more of a fan of this sound - nice tasteful beats & chops. Good music too.
    That Fluff beater I like because with a somewhat high tune for me, it gives it a sound of the bass from subs in the trunk of car that I like for a hip hop sound I guess.
    I use to always tune drums just based on getting an even tension. And it worked for a general 'sound', but after Aron's tuning video I realized how resilient drum heads are, and you can tune them a lot without needing a new head every time you go too high or something; and maybe most important tune to a even sound around all the lugs but also feel it out, find where the head wants to be with your preferred head tension.
    I like to play off the rebound so I usually tension high, but don't want a jazz style tuning too. Kind of in the middle. Ive found it's possible. Thanks man, you inspire 🤙

  • @strumminfuel4625
    @strumminfuel4625 11 месяцев назад

    You guys are so fun to watch. Your drumming style reminds me so much of louis cole. I love it when everybody's all in.

  • @jimzartman
    @jimzartman 8 месяцев назад

    Love it… and the sample pack is helping with some creative songwriting applications!

  • @chrisbardolph
    @chrisbardolph Год назад

    I've always liked making my own damper rings from old cut up heads. Not quite a dead sound but nice and thumpy without a lot of ringing.

  • @AndySalinger33
    @AndySalinger33 Год назад

    Your drums always sound like magic. And just as an aside, I really enjoyed your work in 2012’s “the Campaign”, as well as your early stand up. Godspeed, good sir.

  • @knorpelmancer
    @knorpelmancer Год назад

    Usually not my kind of music or sound but I learned a lot from your vid and got inspired. Thanks!

  • @TSSVillains
    @TSSVillains 2 года назад +1

    tone for days! Also the keys are killer

  • @kimseniorb
    @kimseniorb 10 месяцев назад

    honestly sounded amazing no processing. great stuff

  • @alexm1038
    @alexm1038 Год назад

    that intro was tight as hell, really nice playing!

  • @elMatip
    @elMatip 9 месяцев назад

    i'm so in love with this sound

  • @larryvandiver8657
    @larryvandiver8657 Год назад

    Wonderful trio.

  • @cthncthn7405
    @cthncthn7405 Год назад +1

    I’m not a drummer but watched this whole thing. I love that sound!

  • @diegomonteirobatera
    @diegomonteirobatera 2 года назад

    This was fire! Really enjoyed the song at the end.

  • @jjjpetersen
    @jjjpetersen 2 года назад +1

    Totally love the sound of the drums and you guys playing!

  • @daanie1998
    @daanie1998 2 года назад +1

    Jake you are an absolute legend :)) you’ve helped me get better at recording myself a tonnnnn, thanks for all the great videos!!

  • @El_Chompo
    @El_Chompo Год назад +2

    Nice dude. I had no idea there was so much customization in terms of how drums can be deadened for that funky sound. This will be perfect for me. I was just about to set my old kit back up that I've hardly ever played and only know a basic beat on but I really want to learn breakbeats and funk beats like the Interstate 76 soundtrack and this setup will be great for taht.

  • @MultiSkyman1
    @MultiSkyman1 Год назад

    Fantastic! Replicating a vintage authentic 70's drum sound is pretty cool along with your spot on a vintage drum style to boot. I swear I would think it was from that period.

  • @urbanhellhole
    @urbanhellhole Год назад

    Thanks for the rundown Jake! I really appreciate these thorough explanation videos.

  • @BEEFjrMUSIC
    @BEEFjrMUSIC 10 месяцев назад

    dawg these drums sound AMAZING. Im going use all of this info

  • @LuminorBeats
    @LuminorBeats 3 месяца назад

    great tutorial jake, but tbh most people don't have so much mics and fancy gear to experiment with. it would be cool if you could do a tutorial on how to achieve this kind of sound with 4 or 5 mics and plugins only.

  • @MysteryMusicianoftheNorth
    @MysteryMusicianoftheNorth 2 года назад +10

    I thought this video was a joke at first, but it actually sounds very cool and makes a lot of sense on why you would want that sound for certain situations. Music is actually soo interesting this way.

  • @arthurmartau5286
    @arthurmartau5286 Год назад

    man... what a great video.
    It's so nice to be able to see every step of the way to getting there.
    Even though most of the equipment i won't be able to buy (specially living in Brazil, which these thing's cost thousands), you can have a pretty good ideia of what to aim for.
    Thanks Jake.

  • @Johnnybananass-_
    @Johnnybananass-_ Год назад

    Was recording in Hansa in Berlin one week and the engineer wanted a dead drum sound from our drummer , so just went to the kitchen and got a clean tea towel and threw over each drum and stationary clipped each to each rim , magic sound ,

  • @spurts
    @spurts 2 года назад

    Sounds amazing, Mate. Very warm

  • @kylebohlinger6085
    @kylebohlinger6085 Год назад +1

    is the track at the end just a jam?? would love to know if it's on streaming services. thanks a ton for sharing!! i absolutely looove your drum sound.

    • @rinusve
      @rinusve 11 месяцев назад

      I had the exact same question

  • @dontletmebrown
    @dontletmebrown 2 года назад +1

    Super dead drums is the best sample pack I've ever purchased thank you bruv 🫶

  • @mikedr1549
    @mikedr1549 2 года назад +3

    I don't know anything about banging drums or dead things - but that keyboardist has some great chops!

    • @JakeReedmusic
      @JakeReedmusic  2 года назад +6

      Kait rules and I’m lucky to call her my wife.

  • @sailorsam3550
    @sailorsam3550 2 года назад

    Thanks Jake! I've needed a tutorial like this for a while

  • @AAA-pt7ix
    @AAA-pt7ix 7 месяцев назад

    I really want to create my own home studio. Great video!

  • @BrilliantBenGaming
    @BrilliantBenGaming 2 года назад

    informative and lots of fun to watch - love that perfect lil jam room

  • @Jath2112
    @Jath2112 2 года назад

    Low key....insanely badass. Geez I love this

  • @agork
    @agork 2 года назад +1

    Jake, first of all thank you. Great video. Real musical science research here. I love this. You are definitely not - not a mixer. Funky keys.... nice job everyone ❤❤❤

  • @makkamccann
    @makkamccann 2 года назад

    Just bought this sample set. Going to use in a Beat Buddy drumset. They are awesome.

  • @La_sagne
    @La_sagne 2 года назад

    jack dejohnette drum sound. love it. not always of course but this is nice

  • @Ds_Drums
    @Ds_Drums 2 года назад

    Cool jam at the end. Your drums sound great.

  • @RickyParker666
    @RickyParker666 Год назад

    Never been a big fan of the ultra dead drum sound, but I’ve got to admit, this is a really fun video and the drums sound great.

  • @poindextertunes
    @poindextertunes Год назад

    So my dad was the Plant Manager of a company called KC Poster and could make just about anything that could be printed. The first instrument I picked up was drums and being that we were lower class, all my folks could afford was entry level gear. My drum set was a Tama and boy did it have terrible sustain. To mitigate this problem my dad made custom stickers that were rings the same size as my drums and they worked perfectly. My entry level kit sounded very close to pro grade. Very dead but still had good tone
    Oh, and my buddy and I who were in a band together were both VERY heavy handed drummers

  • @Mdjagg
    @Mdjagg 2 года назад

    Hats sound amazing! I've got a thin pair of old hats that sound similar in 14's and a k series set of 13s. Kind of a mix of the two.

  • @pepelostinbeat
    @pepelostinbeat 2 года назад +1

    Merci pour ce partage de connaissance Jack. Ca sonne de folie! Longue vie à la "fat drum touch"

  • @danielquintanilla7263
    @danielquintanilla7263 2 года назад

    You nailed it man! It sounds really good, loved that drums sound and your groove was into the pocket. Congrats! Greetings from El Salvador 🇸🇻

  • @connor.chan.jazzman
    @connor.chan.jazzman 2 года назад

    That custom Mk8 rhodes at the beginning is absolutely gorgeous

  • @emilioarriaga1946
    @emilioarriaga1946 2 года назад

    15:20 SAMPLE PACK SAMPLE PACK
    Great Video Jake!

  • @Samtar
    @Samtar 2 года назад

    "if you don't like it... idk ... sorry" cracked me up

  • @Elboy522
    @Elboy522 2 года назад

    Thanks Jake! Glad you finally went in depth on the death

  • @Veskymusic
    @Veskymusic Год назад

    Which drum kit are you playing with?

  • @alexb119
    @alexb119 Год назад +1

    Jake, would love to know your stick size of choice. How do you approach which sticks to use when approaching jazz, VS hip hop breaks, VS rock? 🙏🏼

    • @JakeReedmusic
      @JakeReedmusic  Год назад +1

      I usually use Vic Firth AJ1s for everything but if it’s something really heavy hitting I’ll use a 5A.

    • @alexb119
      @alexb119 Год назад

      @@JakeReedmusic thanks man!

  • @thingnumbertwo2
    @thingnumbertwo2 2 года назад

    Dang, that sesh!🔥Great sound on those drums for sure.

  • @unionblitz
    @unionblitz 2 года назад +1

    Should I let the microphones do the work?

  • @Brannington
    @Brannington Год назад

    you give off tremendous amounts of "hohyeahbud" energy and im happy to be here

  • @Tyl-Fiedler
    @Tyl-Fiedler 2 года назад +1

    Got i love your Videos Jake ! And your playing is amazing.! As well as mr. Hurly and your wife❤
    Thanks so much for such Great Videos

    • @JakeReedmusic
      @JakeReedmusic  2 года назад

      I appreciate the kind words! Thank you!

  • @golafs
    @golafs 2 года назад

    love the sound and video!!

  • @plainoldcheese
    @plainoldcheese Год назад

    those drums sounded soooo goood even before you added anything. i actually liked the non saturated version a lot more though im sure it cuts in the mix better with the saturation.

  • @ChrisDN
    @ChrisDN 2 года назад +2

    I'm all about that hi-hat sound 😗👌 *_*chef kiss*_*

  • @quimmartinezcabrera
    @quimmartinezcabrera Год назад

    awesome vid Jake! super instructional! we demand more of these "How to get x sound" videos!

  • @rolandhillmann6503
    @rolandhillmann6503 2 года назад

    Happy New Year Mr.70er .

  • @floatinganarchychannel3204
    @floatinganarchychannel3204 17 дней назад

    Love your vibe man! 😂

  • @mattryan6886
    @mattryan6886 2 года назад

    That Gretsch Round badge kit is. Freaking BEAUTIFUL 😻 😻😻 I desperately want both a vintage Gretsch standard sized and modern kit in bop size.

  • @OrphanRecordingHX
    @OrphanRecordingHX 2 года назад

    You are a total dreamboat. thank you for this.

  • @LuddeB
    @LuddeB 10 месяцев назад

    The "playing softer" is really interesting, recently got a pair of 14" 60s new beats and playing softer really helped removing that "bbwwoom" low frequency going on!
    Also what tape are you a fan of when taping cymbals, been trying a bit of moongel (hopefully won't stain it...) and seem to remove some nasty things but not as "dead" or dry as these one, probably because they're thick and 14s though
    Anyways defenitely going to get your kit someday, on my purchase list but also want to get into more playing myself :)
    Happy drumming!

  • @spurts
    @spurts Год назад

    Love Xaudia. I bought quite a few Ribbons from Stewart Tavener. He’s a top guy and knows what he’s doing.
    Have you ever tried the BM9’s he makes? I have a matched pair and they’re ridiculous

  • @dillonjohnlane
    @dillonjohnlane 2 года назад +1

    incredible. thank you for this, you're a gem

  • @charcutie
    @charcutie 2 года назад

    Shoutout to Jake Reed, great concise advice and a pocket shredder, I’ll be looking out for the record! 👏🤙✌️

    • @JakeReedmusic
      @JakeReedmusic  2 года назад

      Thanks! Album due out early 2023 with this band.