I don't really get how the hell people started to associate Lolita with being strictly for little girls when especially little girls dress wearing mostly very simple dresses or shirts or jeans. Which is nothing like Lolita style at all. I had a strong feeling it some how did originate from some periodical era of dressing and the goth movement in Japan. Well I guess i know the feeling of being judged due to the fact of being a Metal head. Than again most subcultures throughout history have always been unfortunately held under ridiculous stereo types or criticised for not following the so called norms of society.
They say It’s for kids and then there’s me: an actual child spending 10 hours to find a kawaii or lolita dress (Mostly just kawaii though) that fits kids
This is very late to the party, but the people who keep saying that the Lolita fashion is based specifically on *children's* fashion need to remember that for most of history, "childrens'" clothing was basically just tiny versions of adult clothing. Girls' clothing was just smaller versions of the dresses that their mothers wore. Especially in classic and gothic Lolita, it is worth noting that the accessories (parasols, fans, purses, earrings, hats, bonnets, veils, etc.) are pretty much all based on adult fashion accessories from the Victorian and Rococo periods. While noble girls did learn to use things like fans and parasols, the whole point was that they would need those skills to use said accessories when they were grown up; they weren't just playing with them.
I actually have been showing this vid to people to explain the fashion and it's gotten only positive results! Thanks for putting it into such a simple context, it's a huge help
There was a thread on Facebook when I brought up the topic. At first, I wrote "Amaloli" in kanji - and only once people were getting confused because not all of them knew what that meant, I broke down and used the word "lolita". Unfortunately the name's been tainted by its association with Nabokov's book - and I suspect that the term "lolita" as used in the alt-fashion community was originally coined by outsiders in the media, who WERE making analogies with Nabokov's book, and picked up by people who might not have been so familiar with it. But honestly it's just a name. One of the composers for Batman Beyond was named Lolita Ritmanis. In general I'm prone to modify the word from "lolita" to "lolita-kei" to distance it at least a little from Nabokov.
When people ask me what it is, I just say it's a doll like fashion. I don't say Lolita because they'll automatically connect it to the book. When I say it's a doll like fashion, that's usually enough.
The fact that you are getting a doctorate in these studies, girl so much respect for you. These subcultures and hierarchies are insanely interesting, and your knowledge shows.
There is a post on this same topic on the fyeahlolita blog, which metions a comic from the 90s describing lewis carrol's alice as a 'lolita complex' but using it in postive way, very differently from the western view of the word, ive read that in interviews designers have said they heard lolita meaning a beautifull girl. Words can mean so many different things all over the world and its always good to keep that in mind
Hi, thank you for this video. I'm actually writing a research paper for my humanities class about Lolita and I've been trying to find it's history (prof wanted us to make an advocacy artwork for our chosen movement). I know it's been a while since you posted it up, but thank you for explaining things and providing references. I would like to use your video as a reference too.
I feel like Alice Kei would be too specific a name. It brings to mind Alice in Wonderland and not every Lolita style is going to fit within an Alice or Wonderland themed category.
Oh Lord, I love all that random stuff that you have in the background. Someday, when I'm settled down I want a collection of cute things O____O. Very nice video. You have a very engaging personality.
Alice-kei has a pretty good ring to it. Why don't we just call it Alice-kei now? Or maybe Antoinette-kei? xDD Marie Antoinette ruled in the Rococo era at such a young age, was a sweet tooth and a dress hoarder like most lolitas. :> She's always been my inspiration as a lolita, as well as Alice.
queen snookers Why not ‘Pretty-Kei” or ‘Lovely-kei! The over all look is meant to be aesthetically appealing and pretty to look at so to call it ‘Lovely-kei” would work.
so much truth and accuracy here on social expectations of a woman and how they are viewed today, it is much appreciated! thank you for being so honest and educational!
I know lolita fashion has nothing to do with pedophilia bc its grown ppl wearing it and if it could attract pedophiles, they wouldn't be problems bc they just would be ppl with dating preferences around cute and whimsical style But, to say Japanese ppl don't know about the book seems a little short sighted bc lolicon is a thing and has it's implications and it seems like Japanese lolitas write it differently to escape that implication, just thoughts, i don't want to attack anyone And is modesty so important for lolitas bc of that? To not seem like a fetishists, is that a common thing that lolitas do? Like i know ppl who are in the dd/lg and adbl communities and it seems like there are similar misconceptions about them too, what's wrong with being sexual and having fetishes, i can imagine that being unwillingly sexualised is not cool but i don't think modesty is a way to deflect that, but teaching ppl to communicate fetishes properly and to stop assuming that they want to be sexualised bc of outfits, lgs also don't want to be sexualised by every one
Yeah Japan Is definitely aware of the Lolita book, the country Is a literal CP hub however lolita Is also just a fancy Victorian sounding name that Is still used by people today
The fashion was started to let women dress how they wanted, to show that beauty can come in the form of cuteness or elegance, not just sexiness. It wasn't meant to replace sexiness, but merely to validate those who did not want to project a sexual image. Not everyone who rejects the image for themselves thinks it's bad as a whole.
One etymology I read about was that the word "Lolita complex" (in katakana) was in the public consciousness at the time due to a serial killer who targeted young girls. The news reported that he had a "Lolita complex" so the idea that "Lolita" means an alluring yet ultimately victimised young girl came from there.
I think this phrase would have also been developed from the Nabokov novel where the title character was depicted as 'an alluring yet ultimately victimised young girl'
Without a doubt by the time lolita was shaping up stylistically in the 90s, the moral panic around otakus, the lolita complex and Akihabara was well ingrained in society. It just wasn't really mentioned in interviews, and its hard for us to know for sure. But I think it'd be a collective number of things that inspired the naming of the fashion when it was tied to the PVC goth fetish wave of the 90s. Also timing of the crimes 1988/89 is very close to this 90s movement, however I think lolicon would have been around for a few years prior at least. But yes, both the book and the genre would have contributed to the "lolita complex" idea.
No. The little children he targeted weren’t alluring at all. Lolita Is just Humbert’s nickname for Dolores which was chosen by the author as It meant “lady of sorrows” and Dolores pretty much had a horrible life.
You know whats interesting ... I never ever heard of that book before about a few days ago. My interpritations of lolita are with the fashion. But maybe thats because I was into anime. And so my first introduction to the word was assosiated with the fashion. I am not a lolita myself if anyone is wondering :).
Wow, great contribution! This is the first I've heard of it (may be an Mexican only doll), and I don't think they would have been accessible to participants in Japan. The dolls they were originally interested in were French bisque dolls, and artists dolls resembling those by Chateau de Lune or Mari Shimizu.
I remember stumbling upon a video on RUclips where people asked tourists in Japan what they thought about Lolita (without giving very much information) and I'm pretty sure a Spanish speaking tourist said that Lolita meant beautiful girl and that he was fine with it. Although I also remember others (I think also Spanish speaking people saying it meant prostitute (maybe not exactly "Lolita", but something that sounded similar).
i wish i could dress like this but when i talk about it to my mom she thinks i’m talking about the book and she makes everyone in the room so uncomfortable 🥲
Very informative! In the future, I'm going to be buying more Classic lolita, and sub-genre aristocratic clothing! I've always had a love for the era's mentioned so it's like these clothes were MADE for me. For me, I'm more so pastel and neutral colors and not so much bright colors. (and of course you should never forget lace.) And once I get more experienced, I'll dip my toes into Hame lolita! :D Is there any specific brands that you'd suggest for my sort of style?
Thanks for your comment! Hm it's a bit difficult to pin a specific brand, but I feel like Innocent World would fit best, maybe? Hime is much harder, you'd need to coordinate a big OTT dress from BTSSB of Angelic Pretty.
Wait...isnt lolita a french word which means 'young woman/ innocent girl' or something like that? Im sorry if its wrong!! :( Btw, because english is not my first language, it was quite hard to understand your accent :$
I guessed it meant "depressing" or "sadness" in Spanish before I turned on the subs. So yeah, it is Spanish. I remembered it was a candidate name for one of my characters in a story. xD
When you said we jump to these conclusions because of the way we see the female body as a strictly sexual object hits so hard. We dont realize it, but we asume any style worn by a woman is so because she is using it as a form of sexual attraction: if she dresses modestly she must be looking for a conservative men, if she dresses punk she must be looking for a rockstar; so when we see her dressed "childish" we inmediatly assume she is trying to attract sexual predators, or that she likes to be sexualized that way. Lolita is the best example of why you should think twice before assuming a girl is dressing to please others
I remember reading somewhere (I think wiki) that lolita was a translation error and the Japanese thought it meant cute. I'm not sure if that's true or not though.
football actually has many differant forms with differant rules, most of the world calls soccer footbal, there is american football, canadian legue, australian football which I think is interesting and funny the way the refs dressup, and then there is rugby which is much more simeler to american football of sorts then soccer even though its from the uk and I would say is more more brutal then american football as they dont wear near the padding I dont think.
It's actually been argued that while rugby is much more physical, all of the pads and helmets in American football make it more brutal. There's a serious review going on here regarding the safety and body mechanics with football (I'm American, just to clarify which thing I mean) and the TBIs resultant from all of those pads and things. Children are ending up injured from practice games because their helmets are shocking their still developing brains. It's worrisome. I'll gladly take a proper rugby match over football any day, thanks. I don't like the sound when they crash into each other and their helmets smack together. I'm also not a huge fan of what shoulder pads can do to a human shin. I still have nightmares about the last game I watched where someone's leg broke...
***** they are working on better protection, but the helmets yea have came a long way from what they used to use, but still have a long way to go, from mesuring heat on the brain to prevent heatstroke, to how much give they have at impact and transfer that energy to a young persons head and spine.
manga12 You'd think with all of this "smart" attire available these days, we'd have less issue with this kind of thing now but habit, tradition, and stubborn refusal to accept change have really slowed the progress to a grinding halt on that particular problem. I hope it's resolved soon.
so I don't want to be taken as mean-spirited but if you do the real historical evidence rather than looking for the answer you want to hear the origins of the name are pretty dark the Japanese were well aware of the meaning behind it and the book, you even had goth icon Irina Ionesco be very popular among the Japanese subcultures (and honestly if you think lolita has nothing to do with Irina Ionesco you have to be stupid ) like I am a costume student I feel like lolita need to understand the real history behined it and move on from there rather than thinking the japanese didn't know what the world meant ...
In Nabokov's novel, when Humbert Humbert goes shopping to buy what he wants Dolores to wear the clothes described are completely Lolita is style~ from memory it describes dresses with puffed sleeves, cinched waists, full skirts and bloomers. Neither of the movie adaptations shows her wearing these styles, but I wonder if there isn't more of a connection to the novel.
I don't really think it is connected to the novel intentionally. I think maybe prehaps someone brought along the term "Lolita" in a way as mocking it or joking it because the clothes are described as what lolitas wear. And maybe prehaps without realizing the true intentions of the name the Japanese began to take it on as the name of the style and thus it spread. Idk just a theory.
That's an interesting take on things! I checked the reference (Part One, Chapter 25) of the book and I feel that's more describing the typical 50s style than Lolita fashion. The 50s style did inspire some of the Japanese goth girls back in the 80s to shorten the length of their dresses, but I don't think that's what sweet lolita style today is trying to emulate. Well, the style combines lots of things at once anyway. Lolita was also coined when the style was very much gothic and influenced by what I'd describe as "creepy doll"/neo victorian/fictional characters fashion, which doesn't fit the 50s aesthetic. People in Japan in the 90s were mostly exposed to the film more than the book, which as you said, changed the costuming (perhaps to make Lolita look more culpable/more contemporary? Not sure). So its a possibility, but maybe not the most likely answer. Great suggestion though, thanks for the comment! Gold star for contributing in class! :)
Megan Catherine Rose Oh I see. I didn't put on the subtitles. ^^;; I'm sorry. It's just that VK, both the fashion and music, is special to me and my best friend. :> A really nice and informative video though. I hope you would make more! :D
Aww, you look so cute! I WANT YOUR ROOM. IT'S CUTE AS WELL. >\\\< Oh, and tbh I can understand you just fine but that's just me tho ^^ Gr8 video, m8 👍👍👍👍
also in english, a lot of people in the egl community tend to seperate it from the book by spelling it with a lowercase l rather than a capital L. although i dont think that really unanimously took off in the whole english speaking community
I told mum that I was going to save up and buy a lolita dress I found. she thought I ment the other meaning.... you know the definition that comes up when you Google the definition....
whew... I thought ive been mixing it up with that perverted crap XD I do wish that lolita was changed to a different name though... it confuses the hell out of people like me, but I obviously still love the Lolita fashion!
If we try to be a little more open-minded, we can think about Lolita fashion in another angle. It's a bit unfortunate and unfair to view Nabokov's Lolita and sexuality on black & white perspective. I think, this should be about what we'll learn rather than what we'll deny. Think about Lolita vs. Lolita this way. "Lolita" isn't just the name of the book it's also the name of a girl in the book, Dolores Haze! If Lolita fashion stand for femininity and empowerment, Dolores Haze isn't a bad reference at all. (period) Girls are girls. They shouldn't be separate by their misfortune. (Like Disney princesses, they shouldn't be classified by which stories they live in) Dolores is charming, strong, innocent, and independent. Unfortunately, the only way to prove the character is put them on a test. In this case, it's a pedophilia :( But but but, Dolores went through it at the end of the story, right. Society expect women victims to be shamed and destroyed, but she wasn't. That means something. Alice in Wonderland and Dolores Haze made a very similar phenomenon in the world of literature. they portrayed "girls" so genuinely they shocked readers. I think that's why "Lolita word" became so striking for Japanese patriarchy society. (Plus, in 70s, most Japanese know Lolita from the movie. It's far softer and very much more romantic than the original book. Lolita in that movie is pretty cute) Anyway, there's no need to walk around and say I'm a Nabokov's Lolita. Even though you really are, some people aren't gonna get it. Not everyone are literature students. It's very narrow to see Lolita as a kind of fashion for feminism movement. It isn't just a statement we wear to protect ourselves from evil. It can be provocative and sarcastic (for the spirit of goth and post punk it received in the old day). I never though Gothic-Lolita separate entirely. Goth just got "subtle". (Goth isn't a set of black stuffs, it's a philosophy) But I get it. It's not like 70s or 90s that people live to rebel. It's ME generation LOL. I just hope that we will be more aware of the true spirit of Lolita.
+Phupana Kandchand As an outsider who likes cute things, I've always felt like Lolitas try too hard to make the distinction between Nabokov's story and the fashion. The name came from the story and the fashion came from the Rococo era, it's plain as day. I know this because Lolitas say that they dress like young women from the Rococo period but they actually dress like prepubescent girls from that time. You can see in the picture at 0:45 that the young girl is in what we know as "Lolita fashion" while the women are wearing Rococo fashions of the day. If these Lolitas of today traveled back in time, people of the Rococo era would find them odd because they wouldn't be dressed age appropriate. No matter how much they say that they aren't dressing like children, they're literally wearing the children's fashions of that era. I love beautiful clothes, fabrics, designs...etc. I am constantly watching period dramas because the clothes of past times are beautiful but i would never dress like a child from the past and say that i am wearing "Victorian clothes" or whatever.
+Octavia Blake I think, the original purpose of dressing up like this, is to mimick a personallity of a doll, not a child. Also, it symbolize the purity of a woman. (atleast, from Japanese pov) When Lolita is still gothic, Lolita fashion isn't this childish and playful. It had a very close relationship with aristocrat style. Aristocrat is even considered a grown up lolita. Japanese obsession about European aesthetic isn't straight forward. Look at shoujo manga for an example, lol. I think victorian and rococo refferences is just an amazement and gimmick.
+Octavia Blake Can you not put words into lolitas' mouths and make assumptions about their clothing? As you do not wear lolita fashion, you have no right to dictate what they're wearing or claim that your knowledge of the fashion is superior to theirs. Clearly, since you didn't even realize that the fashion isn't limited to "children's fashions" of the Rococo period, you don't know shit. And no, the term "lolita," in relation to the style, did not come from Nabokov's novel. Did you even watch the video, do a bit of research, or talk to a lolita before spouting out this nonsense?
+Isa AS People have their own opinions. And they are going to say it, no matter what their right is. To reject people comments is just gonna make people view Lolitas as grumpy girls in cute dresses. In which, many of non-lolitas around me are already thinking like that. I spent years being goth before I joined Lolita. I know, what is it like to be stereoptyped. Gothic is one of the most misunderstood culture in the world. People think I was depressed and violent. But most goth are happy and nerdy. To reject people comment or to talk back negatively is just gonna make people, even more, thinking that, I am a sad and grumpy goth. This is the tricky part. I have seen things in behind the bow and CGL. I started to think that, we are pushing ourselves too hard to get things right. I discussed this with my goth friend and showed her some articles about Lolitas. She said, are you girls nuns? What's up with rules and principles? Aren't you become a lolita to make yourself happier? Alast, I think, being a lolita isn't only about being feninine or disciplined or rebellious. It's also about being happy.
not to offend you, but you are hard to understand. English is not my first language and i can't understand your accent (where are you from). So that's my fault, not yours xD I'm just saying that adding english subtitles might be a good way to make me (and possibly other non-english speakers) understand you better. It will also help me understand your accent better over the long run. But I understand if it is too much work, or if you just don't want to do it. Its just an suggestion.
Hello! I'm Australian. Deerstalkers is based in Australia, so all speakers have similar accents. :) This is what happens when American accents are normalised, as we sound our words and vowels differently in a way that is closer to British English. Anyway, it's up to Deerstalkers what they'd like to do, but I probably can whip up a transcript that they can put in the description.
I cannot comprehend why people think Lolita fashion is sexualizing children but putting children in adult styles intended to be sexy (like cold-shpulder sleeves) is not an attempt to sexualize children.... seems people are confused.
I absolutely love lolita fashion and I'm also kinda young, and I want to tell my parents that I like the style and I want to get at least 1 outfit but I'm kinda scared that they'll think it's all sexual and stuff- Is there a way that I can tell them without them thinking that?
You could say to them that u like the 'doll/ Victorian inspired' j-fashion style. Show them photos to help them understand what u mean and just explain it to them. Hope this helps ☺️
A long time ago I read on a blog that the therm began with the loli meaning girl in Japanese, and that was because in the beginning the so lolita called style was about this young women who was tired of following the japanese rules, putting the woman in a low social level, so this was all about women who wanted to live like an aristocratic little girl, eating sweets, dancing, being happy and free -that's the idea they had-. Lolita was a movement, it had a ideology and a style, I also remember someone saying that the lolita were like another movements at the time, like punk, who came from overseas and had that strong beliefs. So they took that ideas, and go with that. Personally I find that awesome, the clothes where used to refuse that roll the society had for years. Sadly, now we can see how this has evolved and the ideas about liberating women has been lost -although I sometimes see lolitas talking about feminism in the style-, some lolitas in japan who live the "life-style" now live as a conservative/submissive ladies. And I am not talking about the "movement" outside japan,beacuse a lot of people try to live as a mere snob. :( I don't know where the 'ta' from loli-ta came from, or I don't remember. That's all, if someone reads this, sorry for the bad english.
Brenda Araiza Yes this 100%!!!!! You are absolutely right. :) I touch on this in my history video. I hope that a future book project might involve speaking to the original gothic and lolita girls in Osaka xoxo
I understand both. The problem is her accent, I watched your other videos without problem. It´s no personal I just want to know what she is saying. I´m feeling that I'm attacking her D:
Woah, this was intensely feminist. Most of what I would call feminist points that you made were outright wrong. But, I digress. This video was very good, thanks! You seem like an awesome person. I never got what was "childish" about Lolita fashion. You don't see 5 year olds walking around in this kind of dress, so that thought really confuses me.
+Alexa Robinson It would have been good if feminism meant equality , but not now-a-days. I thought like you too before, but after checking alot of feminist stuff, these so called feminists now just come up with stupid topics to bash down men, and no sense of equality whatsoever. Its not like in the older days, feminists wanted equality and fairness but now? anything is a good thing to bash down men. Game characters (Anita Sarkeesian, oh god -.-") , birth "rape" (yes apparently its a thing.. -.-"), men who just stare , even the stupid producers of taylor swift by being all men its a thing to rage on... shit like that.. instead of actually worrying of real things like same salary, and actual problems in countries like in India who they rape and sell young women to older man. Also a feminist said herself its not about equality its about women and their rights, but they come up with shit to blah blah about it hurts. Its like we lost fucking brain cells. But they go on with futile and stupid topics and arguements. I cant stand it. Although, I didnt thought this video was feminist at all since it wasnt stupid like that. Arlie Daniel clearly doesnt know what INTENSELY feminist is. He should check out the same shit ive seen rofl
Alexa Robinson The definition doesnt mean people actually go by it, the definition was made from the good feminists in the day for what they showed the world and fought for, but now its not in their head. Check definition on google? LOL apparently i've checked enough to know whats going on. Peoples action defines it in the end. Maybe you should be the one googling "feminism", and find out whats going on. Or actually, you should know, since you are one but apparently not actually doing research at all about it. Also, you cant tell them shit, they dont listen to anything, anything is good to bash down and if you are against it, you are not a feminist in their minds and they wont listen. If you are a girl saying they are wrong, you are not a feminist. If you are a guy disagreeing, you are a bully and have no respect for women. Its just fucking stupid.
I think freedom of expression and, on a personal note to anyone who dresses lolita, adorable and really creative outlets for self expression are the most important things here, but as a total outsider (and a girl I suppose)... Lolita the movement seems to embrace the innocence of pre-pubescence. Awesome! Let's not pretend though that that's not going to attract the attention of some weirdos, and can we all stop acting surprised when other outsiders find it all a bit... sinister? You used the analogy of football and football, but basically those sports share much more in common than they do differences. Football and brain surgery could never ever be confused, for example.* *unless you are a very negligent surgeon.
yes, I take your point! The purpose of the video is to explain why this confusion comes about but also unpack the differences. I am one of the first people to admit that subcultures are not without their own complications and the negative reaction is the logical response to perceived deviance. Thank you for your lovely and funny comment!
How About Loli Meaning Kid, And Kids And Adults Used To Have The Same Style Of Clothes In The Rococco Victorian Period (And The Clothing Looking Really Child-Like)
It's so weird! :/ I am still understanding "lolita is a form of sexual expression" in 01:19. And it shocks me because I am a Lolita myself.. :/ But well, if you say, she does not say that, it must be so ^-^
xMisaNyan Listen to what she says directly after that. That IS part of how Lolita got popular in Japan but I'm not repeating it if you're not going to listen to the whole sentence....
***** hmm. Maybe it is because of my bad English since I am from germany .. There a few things I don't even understand acoustically in this Video since it is hard when it is not the own language ^-^ Well whatever ~
We thought we'd made the video as simple as possible but some people have had trouble fully comprehending the subcultural analysis! We'll try to make it more accessible in the future so hang in there!
Can you tell me why you guys dress like the children of that era instead of the young ladies? You say that you dress like the young ladies but in that photo you used, the young women aren't in what you guys wear today. You guys wear what young children of that wore, so why not just say it? People associate it with the book because of it's childlike elements. If you were dressed like the women of the era, the name could have been written off as a mere coincidence.
@@InsaneLaughter01 Any lolita that wears anything like that sounds ita af. It's not just pink and cute shit. Look into gothic and classic lolita instead, don't just dwell in the shitty side of sweet lolita (not all sweet lolita is bad- however what you're describing sounds like a yikers).
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If the Dolores theory is correct, the name is actually supposed to mean "our cute little lady of sorrows". It's really fascinating!
My name is Dolores it litterly translates to pains or sorrows. I used to hate my name growing up.
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I don't really get how the hell people started to associate Lolita with being strictly for little girls when especially little girls dress wearing mostly very simple dresses or shirts or jeans. Which is nothing like Lolita style at all.
I had a strong feeling it some how did originate from some periodical era of dressing and the goth movement in Japan. Well I guess i know the feeling of being judged due to the fact of being a Metal head. Than again most subcultures throughout history have always been unfortunately held under ridiculous stereo types or criticised for not following the so called norms of society.
BECAUSE IT WAS, IDIOT
@@vegandolls eh no its not idiot
@@vegandolls Shut up, you fool.
They say It’s for kids and then there’s me: an actual child spending 10 hours to find a kawaii or lolita dress (Mostly just kawaii though) that fits kids
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This is very late to the party, but the people who keep saying that the Lolita fashion is based specifically on *children's* fashion need to remember that for most of history, "childrens'" clothing was basically just tiny versions of adult clothing. Girls' clothing was just smaller versions of the dresses that their mothers wore. Especially in classic and gothic Lolita, it is worth noting that the accessories (parasols, fans, purses, earrings, hats, bonnets, veils, etc.) are pretty much all based on adult fashion accessories from the Victorian and Rococo periods. While noble girls did learn to use things like fans and parasols, the whole point was that they would need those skills to use said accessories when they were grown up; they weren't just playing with them.
I actually have been showing this vid to people to explain the fashion and it's gotten only positive results! Thanks for putting it into such a simple context, it's a huge help
When I talk about lolita fashion around my parents, I have to call it doll fashion because my dad automatically connects it to the book.
That's terrible I'm sorry
That’s my dad in a comment.
There was a thread on Facebook when I brought up the topic. At first, I wrote "Amaloli" in kanji - and only once people were getting confused because not all of them knew what that meant, I broke down and used the word "lolita". Unfortunately the name's been tainted by its association with Nabokov's book - and I suspect that the term "lolita" as used in the alt-fashion community was originally coined by outsiders in the media, who WERE making analogies with Nabokov's book, and picked up by people who might not have been so familiar with it. But honestly it's just a name. One of the composers for Batman Beyond was named Lolita Ritmanis.
In general I'm prone to modify the word from "lolita" to "lolita-kei" to distance it at least a little from Nabokov.
That’s unfortunate, I’m sorry :(
Well I mean the book is called lolita written by a middle aged man being in love with a 12 year old girl soooo 😂
I never actually heard of the lolita book before I started researching the fashion (lol) my mum hadn't even heard of it haha
I always got this question, so annoying
When people ask me what it is, I just say it's a doll like fashion. I don't say Lolita because they'll automatically connect it to the book. When I say it's a doll like fashion, that's usually enough.
That's a really good idea!!
I do this too actually :)
becuase it IS directly connected to the book, you fool
Vegan Dolls The Lolita fashion predates the stupid book but literal years.
Vegan Dolls did you get your brain removed?
I miss darker gothic lolita. Can we bring it back?
There are tons of Gothic lolitas around, myself being one of them. ^ . ^ Sweet might be popular right now, but Gothic isn't extinct. lol
Of course you can, just go for it! Don't be afraid to be bold!
It never went away
This.
i dress in gothic lolita. :0
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The fact that you are getting a doctorate in these studies, girl so much respect for you. These subcultures and hierarchies are insanely interesting, and your knowledge shows.
There is a post on this same topic on the fyeahlolita blog, which metions a comic from the 90s describing lewis carrol's alice as a 'lolita complex' but using it in postive way, very differently from the western view of the word, ive read that in interviews designers have said they heard lolita meaning a beautifull girl. Words can mean so many different things all over the world and its always good to keep that in mind
Hi, thank you for this video. I'm actually writing a research paper for my humanities class about Lolita and I've been trying to find it's history (prof wanted us to make an advocacy artwork for our chosen movement). I know it's been a while since you posted it up, but thank you for explaining things and providing references. I would like to use your video as a reference too.
So how did it go?
@@kumikaKiwi it went well! I was able to do a visual art inspired by lolita. Thank you again for this video :)
I feel like Alice Kei would be too specific a name. It brings to mind Alice in Wonderland and not every Lolita style is going to fit within an Alice or Wonderland themed category.
Victoria kei
katelyn leahy I like that!!
Oh Lord, I love all that random stuff that you have in the background. Someday, when I'm settled down I want a collection of cute things O____O.
Very nice video. You have a very engaging personality.
Zullala Thank you!
It's been 6 years and this is still such a valuable resource!
Alice-kei has a pretty good ring to it. Why don't we just call it Alice-kei now? Or maybe Antoinette-kei? xDD Marie Antoinette ruled in the Rococo era at such a young age, was a sweet tooth and a dress hoarder like most lolitas. :> She's always been my inspiration as a lolita, as well as Alice.
I love Antoinette-kei!
queen snookers Why not ‘Pretty-Kei” or ‘Lovely-kei! The over all look is meant to be aesthetically appealing and pretty to look at so to call it ‘Lovely-kei” would work.
Just looks like an art form to me.
Yeah that's how participants see it :)
This was really well done! Great job!!
so much truth and accuracy here on social expectations of a woman and how they are viewed today, it is much appreciated! thank you for being so honest and educational!
I know lolita fashion has nothing to do with pedophilia bc its grown ppl wearing it and if it could attract pedophiles, they wouldn't be problems bc they just would be ppl with dating preferences around cute and whimsical style
But, to say Japanese ppl don't know about the book seems a little short sighted bc lolicon is a thing and has it's implications and it seems like Japanese lolitas write it differently to escape that implication, just thoughts, i don't want to attack anyone
And is modesty so important for lolitas bc of that? To not seem like a fetishists, is that a common thing that lolitas do? Like i know ppl who are in the dd/lg and adbl communities and it seems like there are similar misconceptions about them too, what's wrong with being sexual and having fetishes, i can imagine that being unwillingly sexualised is not cool but i don't think modesty is a way to deflect that, but teaching ppl to communicate fetishes properly and to stop assuming that they want to be sexualised bc of outfits, lgs also don't want to be sexualised by every one
Yeah Japan Is definitely aware of the Lolita book, the country Is a literal CP hub however lolita Is also just a fancy Victorian sounding name that Is still used by people today
The fashion was started to let women dress how they wanted, to show that beauty can come in the form of cuteness or elegance, not just sexiness. It wasn't meant to replace sexiness, but merely to validate those who did not want to project a sexual image. Not everyone who rejects the image for themselves thinks it's bad as a whole.
Thank you very much for the subtitles ! :D
No problem! Very glad we could help you understand my Australian slur! XD
One etymology I read about was that the word "Lolita complex" (in katakana) was in the public consciousness at the time due to a serial killer who targeted young girls. The news reported that he had a "Lolita complex" so the idea that "Lolita" means an alluring yet ultimately victimised young girl came from there.
I think this phrase would have also been developed from the Nabokov novel where the title character was depicted as 'an alluring yet ultimately victimised young girl'
Without a doubt by the time lolita was shaping up stylistically in the 90s, the moral panic around otakus, the lolita complex and Akihabara was well ingrained in society. It just wasn't really mentioned in interviews, and its hard for us to know for sure. But I think it'd be a collective number of things that inspired the naming of the fashion when it was tied to the PVC goth fetish wave of the 90s.
Also timing of the crimes 1988/89 is very close to this 90s movement, however I think lolicon would have been around for a few years prior at least. But yes, both the book and the genre would have contributed to the "lolita complex" idea.
No. The little children he targeted weren’t alluring at all. Lolita Is just Humbert’s nickname for Dolores which was chosen by the author as It meant “lady of sorrows” and Dolores pretty much had a horrible life.
You know whats interesting ... I never ever heard of that book before about a few days ago.
My interpritations of lolita are with the fashion. But maybe thats because I was into anime. And so my first introduction to the word was assosiated with the fashion.
I am not a lolita myself if anyone is wondering :).
isn't there an old doll brand called Lolita though? I always thought the name came from that brand but I can't figure if it's a mexican-only brand
Wow, great contribution! This is the first I've heard of it (may be an Mexican only doll), and I don't think they would have been accessible to participants in Japan. The dolls they were originally interested in were French bisque dolls, and artists dolls resembling those by Chateau de Lune or Mari Shimizu.
Hmm I'm gonna do some research, the dolls I'm thinking off are very common over here and maybe someone knows a bit of info about them
I remember stumbling upon a video on RUclips where people asked tourists in Japan what they thought about Lolita (without giving very much information) and I'm pretty sure a Spanish speaking tourist said that Lolita meant beautiful girl and that he was fine with it. Although I also remember others (I think also Spanish speaking people saying it meant prostitute (maybe not exactly "Lolita", but something that sounded similar).
This was so informative and useful, please do more!
I've just found out your channel and subscribed! :D I'm really enjoying your videos, they are great! Best wishes!
thanks for watching!
need to see more, hope you make lots and lots of this kind of video *O*
i wish i could dress like this but when i talk about it to my mom she thinks i’m talking about the book and she makes everyone in the room so uncomfortable 🥲
Very informative! In the future, I'm going to be buying more Classic lolita, and sub-genre aristocratic clothing! I've always had a love for the era's mentioned so it's like these clothes were MADE for me. For me, I'm more so pastel and neutral colors and not so much bright colors. (and of course you should never forget lace.) And once I get more experienced, I'll dip my toes into Hame lolita! :D Is there any specific brands that you'd suggest for my sort of style?
Thanks for your comment! Hm it's a bit difficult to pin a specific brand, but I feel like Innocent World would fit best, maybe? Hime is much harder, you'd need to coordinate a big OTT dress from BTSSB of Angelic Pretty.
Megan Catherine Rose Thanks! I will look into that. :D
Great Video! I love Lolita Fashion it is the best!
I am glad you adressed this .. I have been wanting to get into this style but I'm worried people will think its childish or that I'm being creepy :/
This isn't exactly correct ,but I can deal with it. The fashion name needs change and the escapism part.
Lolita fashion predates the book by several years. Just let them dress up in a style they like. Leave them alone.
wow this video was so amazing in so many ways !!!! many fabulous points Brava!
Why don't we just rename it here in western culture? It would be much easier to explain to my others.
Zyanya Rubio Exactly, The book can be renamed to ‘Pedo’ and the Lolita community can finally be left alone.
fantastic! So concise and perfect.
Perfect. I should show this to my dad (he says the thing about pedophiles)
Wait...isnt lolita a french word which means 'young woman/ innocent girl' or something like that? Im sorry if its wrong!! :(
Btw, because english is not my first language, it was quite hard to understand your accent :$
There are subtitles available for ESL people. Just click on the Subtitles/CC button. The answer to your question is in the video :)
Deerstalker Pictures 2 Thank you xD
Hello! It's Spanish actually :) I haven't found a French definition
Megan Catherine Rose Oh :$ Thank you for the info :)
I guessed it meant "depressing" or "sadness" in Spanish before I turned on the subs. So yeah, it is Spanish. I remembered it was a candidate name for one of my characters in a story. xD
When you said we jump to these conclusions because of the way we see the female body as a strictly sexual object hits so hard. We dont realize it, but we asume any style worn by a woman is so because she is using it as a form of sexual attraction: if she dresses modestly she must be looking for a conservative men, if she dresses punk she must be looking for a rockstar; so when we see her dressed "childish" we inmediatly assume she is trying to attract sexual predators, or that she likes to be sexualized that way. Lolita is the best example of why you should think twice before assuming a girl is dressing to please others
I accidentally said that the fashion was called Lolita 0__0. My mum connected it with a child who seeks sex and not the fashion- ;-;
keep doing your thing girl!
Very interresting, thanks !
I remember reading somewhere (I think wiki) that lolita was a translation error and the Japanese thought it meant cute. I'm not sure if that's true or not though.
so actually the name did come from the book l o l.. itw as just a perversion of the name.
Please make more!!
football actually has many differant forms with differant rules, most of the world calls soccer footbal, there is american football, canadian legue, australian football which I think is interesting and funny the way the refs dressup, and then there is rugby which is much more simeler to american football of sorts then soccer even though its from the uk and I would say is more more brutal then american football as they dont wear near the padding I dont think.
It's actually been argued that while rugby is much more physical, all of the pads and helmets in American football make it more brutal. There's a serious review going on here regarding the safety and body mechanics with football (I'm American, just to clarify which thing I mean) and the TBIs resultant from all of those pads and things. Children are ending up injured from practice games because their helmets are shocking their still developing brains. It's worrisome.
I'll gladly take a proper rugby match over football any day, thanks. I don't like the sound when they crash into each other and their helmets smack together. I'm also not a huge fan of what shoulder pads can do to a human shin. I still have nightmares about the last game I watched where someone's leg broke...
***** they are working on better protection, but the helmets yea have came a long way from what they used to use, but still have a long way to go, from mesuring heat on the brain to prevent heatstroke, to how much give they have at impact and transfer that energy to a young persons head and spine.
manga12 You'd think with all of this "smart" attire available these days, we'd have less issue with this kind of thing now but habit, tradition, and stubborn refusal to accept change have really slowed the progress to a grinding halt on that particular problem. I hope it's resolved soon.
***** yea no kidding, you dont want to nerf the game down, but you cant have kids getting killed from playing a sport.
so I don't want to be taken as mean-spirited but if you do the real historical evidence rather than looking for the answer you want to hear the origins of the name are pretty dark the Japanese were well aware of the meaning behind it and the book, you even had goth icon Irina Ionesco be very popular among the Japanese subcultures (and honestly if you think lolita has nothing to do with Irina Ionesco you have to be stupid ) like I am a costume student I feel like lolita need to understand the real history behined it and move on from there rather than thinking the japanese didn't know what the world meant ...
I need subtitles.... please add eng sub next time T-T
In Nabokov's novel, when Humbert Humbert goes shopping to buy what he wants Dolores to wear the clothes described are completely Lolita is style~ from memory it describes dresses with puffed sleeves, cinched waists, full skirts and bloomers. Neither of the movie adaptations shows her wearing these styles, but I wonder if there isn't more of a connection to the novel.
I don't really think it is connected to the novel intentionally. I think maybe prehaps someone brought along the term "Lolita" in a way as mocking it or joking it because the clothes are described as what lolitas wear. And maybe prehaps without realizing the true intentions of the name the Japanese began to take it on as the name of the style and thus it spread. Idk just a theory.
That's an interesting take on things! I checked the reference (Part One, Chapter 25) of the book and I feel that's more describing the typical 50s style than Lolita fashion. The 50s style did inspire some of the Japanese goth girls back in the 80s to shorten the length of their dresses, but I don't think that's what sweet lolita style today is trying to emulate. Well, the style combines lots of things at once anyway. Lolita was also coined when the style was very much gothic and influenced by what I'd describe as "creepy doll"/neo victorian/fictional characters fashion, which doesn't fit the 50s aesthetic. People in Japan in the 90s were mostly exposed to the film more than the book, which as you said, changed the costuming (perhaps to make Lolita look more culpable/more contemporary? Not sure). So its a possibility, but maybe not the most likely answer. Great suggestion though, thanks for the comment! Gold star for contributing in class! :)
José Domingo Ramírez Martínez Yeah the connection is pretty disturbing when you think about it. And unfortunate.
very well expressed!
Omg I've never seen you in sweet XDXDXD it's so cute! This being said I love your style now tho so...
is yami kawaii and lolita style different from each other?
Yes.
yesss!! preach sister! keep doing your thang ☆
Visual-kei is not cosplay.
;^;
I didn't say it was :) I said that people think Lolitas were originally cosplaying as their favourite Visual Kei musicians ("Visual-Kei cosplay")
Megan Catherine Rose Oh I see. I didn't put on the subtitles. ^^;; I'm sorry. It's just that VK, both the fashion and music, is special to me and my best friend. :> A really nice and informative video though. I hope you would make more! :D
Lolicon/Lolita where diff stuff and stuff sooo Ye👌🏻
Aww, you look so cute! I WANT YOUR ROOM. IT'S CUTE AS WELL. >\\\< Oh, and tbh I can understand you just fine but that's just me tho ^^ Gr8 video, m8 👍👍👍👍
Great video! :D
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ゆみいまい Linguists spell it with the elongated sound! But yes, this is another way to write it! Thank you for your contribution! :)
also in english, a lot of people in the egl community tend to seperate it from the book by spelling it with a lowercase l rather than a capital L. although i dont think that really unanimously took off in the whole english speaking community
I told mum that I was going to save up and buy a lolita dress I found. she thought I ment the other meaning.... you know the definition that comes up when you Google the definition....
whew... I thought ive been mixing it up with that perverted crap XD
I do wish that lolita was changed to a different name though... it confuses the hell out of people like me, but I obviously still love the Lolita fashion!
Starry dust Agreed! I still think Alice Kei is a good idea.
If we try to be a little more open-minded, we can think about Lolita fashion in another angle. It's a bit unfortunate and unfair to view Nabokov's Lolita and sexuality on black & white perspective. I think, this should be about what we'll learn rather than what we'll deny.
Think about Lolita vs. Lolita this way. "Lolita" isn't just the name of the book it's also the name of a girl in the book, Dolores Haze! If Lolita fashion stand for femininity and empowerment, Dolores Haze isn't a bad reference at all. (period)
Girls are girls. They shouldn't be separate by their misfortune. (Like Disney princesses, they shouldn't be classified by which stories they live in)
Dolores is charming, strong, innocent, and independent. Unfortunately, the only way to prove the character is put them on a test. In this case, it's a pedophilia :(
But but but, Dolores went through it at the end of the story, right. Society expect women victims to be shamed and destroyed, but she wasn't. That means something.
Alice in Wonderland and Dolores Haze made a very similar phenomenon in the world of literature. they portrayed "girls" so genuinely they shocked readers. I think that's why "Lolita word" became so striking for Japanese patriarchy society. (Plus, in 70s, most Japanese know Lolita from the movie. It's far softer and very much more romantic than the original book. Lolita in that movie is pretty cute)
Anyway, there's no need to walk around and say I'm a Nabokov's Lolita. Even though you really are, some people aren't gonna get it. Not everyone are literature students.
It's very narrow to see Lolita as a kind of fashion for feminism movement. It isn't just a statement we wear to protect ourselves from evil. It can be provocative and sarcastic (for the spirit of goth and post punk it received in the old day).
I never though Gothic-Lolita separate entirely. Goth just got "subtle". (Goth isn't a set of black stuffs, it's a philosophy)
But I get it. It's not like 70s or 90s that people live to rebel. It's ME generation LOL. I just hope that we will be more aware of the true spirit of Lolita.
+Phupana Kandchand As an outsider who likes cute things, I've always felt like Lolitas try too hard to make the distinction between Nabokov's story and the fashion. The name came from the story and the fashion came from the Rococo era, it's plain as day. I know this because Lolitas say that they dress like young women from the Rococo period but they actually dress like prepubescent girls from that time. You can see in the picture at 0:45 that the young girl is in what we know as "Lolita fashion" while the women are wearing Rococo fashions of the day. If these Lolitas of today traveled back in time, people of the Rococo era would find them odd because they wouldn't be dressed age appropriate. No matter how much they say that they aren't dressing like children, they're literally wearing the children's fashions of that era. I love beautiful clothes, fabrics, designs...etc. I am constantly watching period dramas because the clothes of past times are beautiful but i would never dress like a child from the past and say that i am wearing "Victorian clothes" or whatever.
+Octavia Blake I think, the original purpose of dressing up like this, is to mimick a personallity of a doll, not a child. Also, it symbolize the purity of a woman. (atleast, from Japanese pov)
When Lolita is still gothic, Lolita fashion isn't this childish and playful. It had a very close relationship with aristocrat style. Aristocrat is even considered a grown up lolita. Japanese obsession about European aesthetic isn't straight forward. Look at shoujo manga for an example, lol. I think victorian and rococo refferences is just an amazement and gimmick.
+Octavia Blake Can you not put words into lolitas' mouths and make assumptions about their clothing? As you do not wear lolita fashion, you have no right to dictate what they're wearing or claim that your knowledge of the fashion is superior to theirs. Clearly, since you didn't even realize that the fashion isn't limited to "children's fashions" of the Rococo period, you don't know shit. And no, the term "lolita," in relation to the style, did not come from Nabokov's novel. Did you even watch the video, do a bit of research, or talk to a lolita before spouting out this nonsense?
+Isa AS People have their own opinions. And they are going to say it, no matter what their right is.
To reject people comments is just gonna make people view Lolitas as grumpy girls in cute dresses. In which, many of non-lolitas around me are already thinking like that.
I spent years being goth before I joined Lolita. I know, what is it like to be stereoptyped. Gothic is one of the most misunderstood culture in the world. People think I was depressed and violent. But most goth are happy and nerdy.
To reject people comment or to talk back negatively is just gonna make people, even more, thinking that, I am a sad and grumpy goth. This is the tricky part.
I have seen things in behind the bow and CGL. I started to think that, we are pushing ourselves too hard to get things right.
I discussed this with my goth friend and showed her some articles about Lolitas. She said, are you girls nuns? What's up with rules and principles? Aren't you become a lolita to make yourself happier?
Alast, I think, being a lolita isn't only about being feninine or disciplined or rebellious. It's also about being happy.
Phupana Kandchand I'd rather be considered "sad and grumpy" than let people believe I'm some sex-crazed fetishist.
Hello Deerstalker Pictures 2 pongan subtítulos a sus vídeos!! Me encantan pero no entiendo algunas cosas :). Saludos!
Doris Erazo There are English subtitles!
Love the room who's is its?
It's my office space actually :)
can u plz add sub?its kinda hard to understand bcoz of her accent :/
Vivii Misa There are subs, please enable them using "CC" button!
okii thxxx ^^
Also it could have been named by outsiders
You're the cutest, ever! If you ever come to Pittsburgh, you can stay with me!
Hez Bohin Aww thanks cutie
I am watching this despite the fact it's 2019
Same
not to offend you, but you are hard to understand. English is not my first language and i can't understand your accent (where are you from). So that's my fault, not yours xD I'm just saying that adding english subtitles might be a good way to make me (and possibly other non-english speakers) understand you better. It will also help me understand your accent better over the long run. But I understand if it is too much work, or if you just don't want to do it. Its just an suggestion.
Thanks for saying this!
I have the same problem with the Video, no matter how many times I watch it q.q ^-^
Hello! I'm Australian. Deerstalkers is based in Australia, so all speakers have similar accents. :) This is what happens when American accents are normalised, as we sound our words and vowels differently in a way that is closer to British English. Anyway, it's up to Deerstalkers what they'd like to do, but I probably can whip up a transcript that they can put in the description.
I would love english subtitles too. (english is not my first language too)
Ichigo Fujiwara Me too. It's a bit fast to understand
Could you say hello i will scream with joy if you could be my friend
Uh...hello?
I cannot comprehend why people think Lolita fashion is sexualizing children but putting children in adult styles intended to be sexy (like cold-shpulder sleeves) is not an attempt to sexualize children.... seems people are confused.
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I absolutely love lolita fashion and I'm also kinda young, and I want to tell my parents that I like the style and I want to get at least 1 outfit but I'm kinda scared that they'll think it's all sexual and stuff-
Is there a way that I can tell them without them thinking that?
You could say to them that u like the 'doll/ Victorian inspired' j-fashion style. Show them photos to help them understand what u mean and just explain it to them. Hope this helps ☺️
Sophie Joyyy thank youu 💕❤️
A long time ago I read on a blog that the therm began with the loli meaning girl in Japanese, and that was because in the beginning the so lolita called style was about this young women who was tired of following the japanese rules, putting the woman in a low social level, so this was all about women who wanted to live like an aristocratic little girl, eating sweets, dancing, being happy and free -that's the idea they had-. Lolita was a movement, it had a ideology and a style, I also remember someone saying that the lolita were like another movements at the time, like punk, who came from overseas and had that strong beliefs. So they took that ideas, and go with that. Personally I find that awesome, the clothes where used to refuse that roll the society had for years. Sadly, now we can see how this has evolved and the ideas about liberating women has been lost -although I sometimes see lolitas talking about feminism in the style-, some lolitas in japan who live the "life-style" now live as a conservative/submissive ladies. And I am not talking about the "movement" outside japan,beacuse a lot of people try to live as a mere snob. :( I don't know where the 'ta' from loli-ta came from, or I don't remember. That's all, if someone reads this, sorry for the bad english.
Brenda Araiza Yes this 100%!!!!! You are absolutely right. :) I touch on this in my history video. I hope that a future book project might involve speaking to the original gothic and lolita girls in Osaka xoxo
Genius!
Her pronounciation is dificult to understand :( please add subtitules
Sorry doll, I'm Australian, and this is what Australians tend to sound like. We are working on a solution for ESL speakers :)
I`m Argentinean and I only understand neutral english :(
Thanks for the reply!!!
Laura Robuschi Neutral English? Do you mean BBC Standard English (British English) or American English?
I understand both. The problem is her accent, I watched your other videos without problem.
It´s no personal I just want to know what she is saying. I´m feeling that I'm attacking her D:
This is a very unconvincing argument.
Woah, this was intensely feminist. Most of what I would call feminist points that you made were outright wrong. But, I digress. This video was very good, thanks! You seem like an awesome person. I never got what was "childish" about Lolita fashion. You don't see 5 year olds walking around in this kind of dress, so that thought really confuses me.
+Alexa Robinson It would have been good if feminism meant equality , but not now-a-days. I thought like you too before, but after checking alot of feminist stuff, these so called feminists now just come up with stupid topics to bash down men, and no sense of equality whatsoever. Its not like in the older days, feminists wanted equality and fairness but now? anything is a good thing to bash down men. Game characters (Anita Sarkeesian, oh god -.-") , birth "rape" (yes apparently its a thing.. -.-"), men who just stare , even the stupid producers of taylor swift by being all men its a thing to rage on... shit like that.. instead of actually worrying of real things like same salary, and actual problems in countries like in India who they rape and sell young women to older man. Also a feminist said herself its not about equality its about women and their rights, but they come up with shit to blah blah about it hurts. Its like we lost fucking brain cells. But they go on with futile and stupid topics and arguements. I cant stand it. Although, I didnt thought this video was feminist at all since it wasnt stupid like that. Arlie Daniel clearly doesnt know what INTENSELY feminist is. He should check out the same shit ive seen rofl
Alexa Robinson
The definition doesnt mean people actually go by it, the definition was made from the good feminists in the day for what they showed the world and fought for, but now its not in their head. Check definition on google? LOL apparently i've checked enough to know whats going on. Peoples action defines it in the end. Maybe you should be the one googling "feminism", and find out whats going on. Or actually, you should know, since you are one but apparently not actually doing research at all about it. Also, you cant tell them shit, they dont listen to anything, anything is good to bash down and if you are against it, you are not a feminist in their minds and they wont listen.
If you are a girl saying they are wrong, you are not a feminist. If you are a guy disagreeing, you are a bully and have no respect for women. Its just fucking stupid.
I guess its because of the culture
I think freedom of expression and, on a personal note to anyone who dresses lolita, adorable and really creative outlets for self expression are the most important things here, but as a total outsider (and a girl I suppose)... Lolita the movement seems to embrace the innocence of pre-pubescence. Awesome! Let's not pretend though that that's not going to attract the attention of some weirdos, and can we all stop acting surprised when other outsiders find it all a bit... sinister? You used the analogy of football and football, but basically those sports share much more in common than they do differences. Football and brain surgery could never ever be confused, for example.*
*unless you are a very negligent surgeon.
yes, I take your point! The purpose of the video is to explain why this confusion comes about but also unpack the differences. I am one of the first people to admit that subcultures are not without their own complications and the negative reaction is the logical response to perceived deviance. Thank you for your lovely and funny comment!
Rocoacoa🌚🌚
How About Loli Meaning Kid, And Kids And Adults Used To Have The Same Style Of Clothes In The Rococco Victorian Period
(And The Clothing Looking Really Child-Like)
hello n.n
SOME LOLITAS ARE LESBIANS!!!!
Why?
Becouse feminism lifestyl
Que taradez. Lolita viene de Lola, Dolores, un nombre español.
If YOU WANAN BE SAFE OLNY ONE THING DO don’t be cute and be LIKE A DEMON🙏🏻
Am I literally the only one creeped out by this rising trend? And toy didn't really answer the question because I'm still confused.
I hope this helps ahhh
creeped out?? its just cute clothes
Like u gal
Loli literally means a person who looks younger then they are and gets to dress and act like they are
Nabokov was a great writer. Sorry your fashion style is confused with his accomplished writing.
Did she say "Lolita is a sexual expression"??!?!?!?!
Watch it again and try not to rip phrases out of context. This is how misunderstandings occur
I'm sorry my dear, but you appear to have failed the comprehension test for this class. Please repeat the lesson and try again. がんばって
It's so weird! :/
I am still understanding "lolita is a form of sexual expression" in 01:19. And it shocks me because I am a Lolita myself.. :/
But well, if you say, she does not say that, it must be so ^-^
xMisaNyan
Listen to what she says directly after that. That IS part of how Lolita got popular in Japan but I'm not repeating it if you're not going to listen to the whole sentence....
***** hmm. Maybe it is because of my bad English since I am from germany .. There a few things I don't even understand acoustically in this Video since it is hard when it is not the own language ^-^
Well whatever ~
Boring and couldnt understand anything
We thought we'd made the video as simple as possible but some people have had trouble fully comprehending the subcultural analysis! We'll try to make it more accessible in the future so hang in there!
I think her pronounciation is not so good...
Can you tell me why you guys dress like the children of that era instead of the young ladies? You say that you dress like the young ladies but in that photo you used, the young women aren't in what you guys wear today. You guys wear what young children of that wore, so why not just say it? People associate it with the book because of it's childlike elements. If you were dressed like the women of the era, the name could have been written off as a mere coincidence.
Nabi Sonyeo Yes because Marie Antoinette wore a neon pink dress with rainbow macarons and teddy bears on it.
@@InsaneLaughter01 Any lolita that wears anything like that sounds ita af. It's not just pink and cute shit. Look into gothic and classic lolita instead, don't just dwell in the shitty side of sweet lolita (not all sweet lolita is bad- however what you're describing sounds like a yikers).
we like it. its cute. we are not kids period.
1:06 i stoped the video and looked at right in your room and then i think: is that a pullip doll? *^*
Yes its a BTSSB Misako Pullip