Breville DualBoiler | Descale At Your Own Risk ⚠️
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- Опубликовано: 17 дек 2024
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I own two Breville Dual Boilers - and absolutely love them.
The second one developed this problem after the second time I descaled it.
The solution to the problem that has always works for me is to turn the machine off after descaling, unplug the power and leave it off overnight. The following morning, I plug it back in, power up, and the steam boiler begins to fill. This works for me every time - after nearly three years of use and descaling every three months. It's a minor inconvenience, but the BDB is better than any espresso machine I've ever owned - including an expensive Italian-made machine - that always had issues and required constant maintenance. That machine couldn't even steam milk half as well as the Breville. I'll never buy anything ever gain other than the BDB.
Thank you, Jerry. 🙏
@@loyckfiona My pleasure. Enjoy your Dual Boiler. ☺️
What do you mean to turn off? If you press the power button after the descaling process the machine will automatically start to heat itself up? Do you press the power button twice then to turn it off?
@@moviemaster00000 - yes, you turn it on, which will begin the heating cycle, and immediately power it off, by pressing the power button again.
@@jerrybezdikian9371 ok, never thought about it. But still what magical does happen overnight? If the sensors would some how be covered with the descaler how would ot come off just because the machine stays off overnight?
Thank you for the great video. I repeated the process twice and it worked for me!!! Saved me few hundred dollars for sending the machine for service.
Yay! I’m so glad 😊
BIG thumbs up fo this tutorial! 6 months old sage oracle, wanted to descale it... got stuck with it not heating up, reaching max 70 C... tried every possible solution found on the internet, tilt it forward, descale again and again, open valves... nothing worked...
until I found this and gave it a try!
Thank you bro, you saved my life I can say that! living in a place where it's kinda difficult to repair such high end stuff
thank you again
Can you expand on what you did? Not heating up to over 70 I assume that's the brew boiler and not the steam boiler? So did you remove the red wire from the brew boiler and started the machine, and if so, how did you know when to turn off and drain?
I have two years old oracle touch, same happened last night, I did all solutions on internet. Right before opening the machine to give a try to your solution I did following and luckily boiler started to fill up.
1- turn off the machine 2- open steam boiler's screw 3- let the machine cool down ( 4 hours) while the screw is open 4- water tank to half 5- tilt the machine to 45 degree 6- turn on the machine while the screw is open. If steam boiler starts to fill up turn machine to flat and close the screw ( if steam boiler starts to fill up you see hot water is going to tray). Problem solved. This worked for me after testin all the other solutions and before opening the machine.
Thank you for the step by step instructions. To ensure that I only had to open it once I let it heat up enough for steam. And let it force any scale leftovers out the drain. I did this twice before letting it fill until it came out of the wand. Unit working properly now. Thank you!😊
This has happened to me once before took it to a repair shop and they said the boiler was gone and replaced at quite an expense tried this method this time and worked first time, thanks legend 🙏
You are so welcome 🙏🏻
A variation of this method worked for me. Instead of disconnecting the red wire and going through the steps you mentioned, I just removed the red wire with the probe and filled the tank with water from the top of the boiler tank. I used a straw and taped it to a funnel with an electrical tape, to get the water in the small opening. As soon as the machine heated up, the steam worked. I also called Breville before attempting this and they wanted $400 for repairs. I would have to ship it to them and I would be without it for 2-3 weeks.
Thank you so much This worked for me and it took 12oz of water which I thought was crazy
Thank you Dylan! I just descaled my Oracle Touch with Dezcal for the first time and had this issue with both boilers. Temps wouldn't get above the 160's and the pump wasn't filling the boiler. I took out all the probes I could and wiped them down, as well as turned on the machine with the red probe on the steam boiler out, and it started filling. I'm back up and running thanks to you!
Why on earth did you use Dezcal and not the original descaler? No wonder you have problems when using descale solution that you have no idea what kind of a harshness it has and does it suit to your machine.
@@moviemaster00000 1) I had it on hand, 2) it's the most popular descaler for all espresso machines, 3) it's listed as compatible with Breville, and 4) people are reporting issues with the Breville one too.
Harshness depends on how much you dilute it, same as Breville's descaler.
@@aaronw1375 as much as I've heard people having problems after descaling, there's always this one thing that could be questionable about their action when they did the descale cycle (you can even read about that stuff here on the comments to see I'm right). Whether it's the descaler, the process or something else. I'm not saying that Breville's espresso machines are in any way perfect and the fault lays only on the users side. But why to gamble with stuff there is no need to gamble with? The most reliable way to descale your espresso machine is to follow every step on the manual.
I think Dezcal can put what ever information about their product to be suitable for everything. The thing that matters is what the machine manufacturers say about that. For example on the BDB manual it says only to descale with the original descaler. Yes I know its about them getting their money after you've bought the machine but this could mean also that other descalers could not be suitable for the BDB (this could be the same for Oracle Touch, can't say because I don't own the machine).
I see you have got the harshness point incorrect. It's not about the dosage it's the ingredients that make the difference. For example commercial espresso machines need a much harsher descaler to clean the scale. It's because the pipes and everything else is so well built that it would not have any problems settling harsh descalers. Breville's espresso machines on the other hand are home made espresso machines with a lot of cheap materials on the inside and even from the outside (plastic covers and so on...). I would sincerely advice you to use the original descaler the next time and make sure you follow all the steps correctly (like rinsing boilers at least 2-3 times after the descale solution). That should minimize all the possible incoming problems. I've done the same for years and have not had any problems. There is no literal meaning to follow someones saying not to descale. That is just nonsense and scale is just inevitable which ever water you use. It's just a matter of time when scale builds up and destroys not only your steam boiler but the machine as in total. If you don't believe me, you can ask any espresso machine repairer (it doesn't have to be BDB, it could be even the superautomatic one) and let them tell you what is the no 1 cause for espresso machine errors or faults. It's of course scale.
Bro I just fixed my machine with your tips. Thank you so much!
Had a BDB for 2 years, have descaled it maybe 4-6 times and never had any problems, not sure if it’s identical to this model or a newer revision that might’ve solved this
Thank you Dylan! I followed your instructions and it works back to normal now no more Descaling 👍
Glad it helped!!
6:30 TL;DR - after descaling, may need to flush few times to get steam sensor working again. May need to manually flush the steam boiler.
Just skip descaling and use the water filters to soften your water.
Scale is still inevitable. You cannot avoid it building up inside your machine.
Yeah I flushed a couple of times and let it cooled down for an hour. Starting up I heard 3 beeps but it s normal from a cooled down machine. Let it warmed up a few mins and all back to normal
Last night I opened it up and pulled each electrode. Cleaned them all up and it is back working correctly. It took maybe a half hour, I wasn't counting. Thanks for you input
What do you mean by cleaning the electrodes. Did you simply wipe and rinse with water? This will likely be my fix to this descaling fiasco.
@@galengautreaux942 very carefully remove wire and very very carefully remove clip without losing it, slide it out and maybe use 0000 steel wool to remove scaling
Hi Dylan I found your video on do not descale on the duel boiler. I cannot find your video your referred to in the first video showing you how to carry out the maintenance to clean the sensor. Did you post the video. Appreciate if you can send a link. Thank
you Simon
yeh me too. @dylan what happened to that? or Simon if you found a solution and could share that it would be great....
Thank you for the nice video, the steam on my previous Delonghi coffee machine stopped working after descaling, I just replaced the machine with a Breville Dual Boiler as it was quite old, I will never descale the coffee machine again after I watched your video thank you 👍🏻
Hi Dylan
Can’t find your step by step video on have to open and unplug the red wire. Could you ad a link to it?
did you find dylans step by step on how to unplug steam red wire
Great video, thank you.
I have never been able to remove the philips head screws on either side of the group head in order to open to top. They are super stuck in place. I even turned the machine upside down and filled the screw housing with WD 40 and it did not work. Have you come across this issue and how did you solve it?
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Hi Dylan - do you still have the full video up for fixing the steamer sensor issue?
I was wondering same thing as I cannot seem to find the full video where he shows doing this ?
Me neither, can’t find it?
Thank you for posting this detailed video. Can 50/50 vinegar and water be used to descale instead. Would this be less harsh on the plastic inside the machine?
Hi Dylan! I just watched your 'do not descale' video but can't find the other video you mentioned here..can send me the link pleasee
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I think you very much for doing this video.
Looking forward to seeing the how to video.
Thanks. Will do this. I just descaled and my steamer doesn’t work! Arrrrgh!!! When will the shorter video with pictures, etc., be up?
How many times did you flush both boilers after descaling? Once or at least twice?
just stumbled upon this video. great stuff. i did an out of machine experiment with those probes and a few descale solutions and found indeed that the machine thinks the boiler is full when the solution was still wet on the probes. The ceramic parts of the probes dont need to get wet, so i'm thinking if breville could slow down the steam pump during the refill they wont get splashed with solution. what do you reckon? keep up the good work
5th time was a charm for me. Finally heard it start to build up steam on the 5th try...!
Awesome video! I have been repairing an old Breville Oracle BES980XL over the past month.
I have scoured the internet for answers but cannot find a solution to my problem anywhere, Maybe you could help?
Everything works well on my machine - BUT when the machine heats up to temperature, steam is coming out of the water tank/container valve :/ The water in the water tank actually boiled and the spring loaded valve in the water container has actually melted.
I have taken apart both the steam solenoid and the hot water solenoid and couldn't find any obvious signs why they shouldn't work. I've also tried adjusting both Over Pressure Valves. Would you have any advice or tips on how i can stop the steam returning to the water tank? Many thanks.
Thanks Dylan. This really helped me understand the problem. With one chopped zip tie, I managed to remove both the sensors, give them a clean off and manually fill the boiler with a funnel. This got it working straight away - no cut wires.
I just finished replacing my o rings due to a leak, however my machine won’t get up to temperature anymore :/ , the steam works but the group head doesn’t , either the triac board or thermal fuse …
Does this issue also happen on the breville Oracle
Wow Thanks! I like Breville machine but heard so much problems with machine! This is great solution thanks for sharing!
So much problems? I've had the machine for years and haven't got a single one. I also do descale the machine. I'd advice being more careful and diligent and you should have no problems.
Hi , i cant find the video you mentioned it shows details to how to do it ?
Thanks
Good information. However I might recommend if you're going to open the top, then you might as well manually descale with a syphon hose and the sensors removed no? Older BDB like my BES900 don't have the descale program or the drain ports on the front. This is the only way on older machines and I think is possibly "safer" as the sensors are not submerged in the descale solution. Also a good time to replace the o-rings. There's a video on RUclips somewhere..
Hey, after discaling my steam boiler works but my water boiker stopped working I get 09 error. Dontou know how to fix it?
Had run the descale routine over the past 3-4 years when indicated on the display. This past weekend ran into the 3 beeps. Ran your solution about 3 times and it started working again - thanks for the tip! Now to decide whether just not to descale, use RO water (I have a unit for my reef tank but also not recommended) or continue to descale at risk. No clear solution.
Hello Dylan. I am new to your channel. I'm also a new coffee and espresso drinker! I have a Breville Dual Boiler that was passed to me from a friend. My steam wand stopped working just after I descaled the machine. It was working fine before. I am trying to find the video you made regarding how to clean the steam sensor. Do you have a link, or can you tell me how to find it? Thanks so much for all the wonderful information. I appreciate it.
I cannot seem to find the full video showing how he did it either ?
Hey Dillon, Chris from Melbourne Australia. Watched your BES920 descale video. I had the same issue with steam not working after process. I have my descale message on the LCD and I need to know how to turn it off without going through the descale process.
Thanks Chris
Agreed. Too many of my customers (I'm a technician) come to me complaining if this
What's the cause of this issue? is this calcium build up on some float or sensor or something?
yep I had the problem after descale - and now have multiple issues - no filling up of the boiler -then no steam making - and now leaks from the o rings. - o rings ordered but not sure i can fix no steam - boiler not warming up.
Also cant find the alledged detailed video on how to fix no steam in detail . -i have given up searching this channel for the promissed video.
Look for posts in the home barista forum, there are lots of info there! It is a known issue this machine has! I think it you have to descale it manually by unpluging the pipes and pouring the solution there, than prompting the machine to drain, than refilling it again, or to use distilled water with some minerals added to it, there is a recipe in the home barista as well, of a deceased chemist who was also a coffee lover, doctor Pavlis, he said that way scale would never build up
How many times did you flush both boilers after descaling? Once or at least twice?
I think the problem is something else, unrelated to descaling solution. I changed the O rings at the bottom of the water sensor probes and cleaned them off scale OUTSIDE the machine and ran into the three beeps of death, therefore nothing to do with coating of probes.
After the boiler primed, the diagnostic menu showed HLH for the three probes, indicating that the shorter sensor i.e. full probe was still indicating insufficient water. At the firmware display screen of the menu, press the power button and it will test the machine, including running the pumps, after which I had HHH and the boiler would heat and steam.
My hypothesis is that the boiler fills either to a cutoff of back pressure against the pump and an airlock will stop it short, or it fills by a timed quantity but not by the detection of the probes (which would be silly but equally doable). Either method could be done in software quite trivially but the result is insufficient water and no boiler activation.
The method you describe here would likely solve the problem because it will clear an airlock and sufficiently fill the boiler but I don't believe that descaling has anything to do with this but just happens to become a problem, since that's the only typical event where people drain the boiler and the machine doesn't properly prime and fill again.
Happened to me twice for the pass 6 months. Both after descaling with vALv error. Both both cases, I left it overnight and it just worked next day. Lucky I guess. Decided not to do any descaling anymore. Had enough of it. Installed water softener.
Water softener will never remove the scale issue? What kind of a descaler did you use at the first place?
Glad i stumbled acrosd this. I hzve hard water. Trying to deside what one to buy. Went with a bambino and i have a smeg frother heats too...works great ...
Hi does the Oracle bes980 suffer the same fault?
Thanks for your help. The steamer is working again. Was about to give up and buy another one. Thanks for your help
Does anyone know a solution for following problem of the machine: I don't know if this issue came from descaling as well, but it started not that much time afterwards. If I want to brew my coffee, the pump of the machine sounds like if it can't get through the coffee puk (like it was tampered to strong and or the coffee was ground to fine). Now I let the water flow out of the hot water nozzle to prevent that issue before acutally brewing the coffee. While the water flows out on that step, you can stil hear that noise for a short time, as well as you can see, that the water flow is interrupted multiple times before it flows constantly.
Does the machine ned a new pump or can I fix the problem myself with some easier maintenance?
Have you tested this with the Breville descale solution? I've descaled my BDB a number of times and never had this issue. Sounds to me like whatever brand solution you're using (Dezcal?) must have some residue that it leaves behind on the sensor which then causes this issue.
Seems crazy to advise people not to descale the machine when it was probably the solution that you used which caused this issue rather than a fault of the machine?
I wish your assumption was correct but I have had this happen to me twice while using Breville’s descale solution. This is really the machine’s problem. I’m not the only one, and if you check Google, so many people have this issue. When I contacted Breville, they immediately knew the issue because it is so common.
@@with.the.y how many times did you flush both boilers after the descaling process? You have got to understand that scale itself is inevitable no matter how pure water you use.
@@with.the.y It is the machines problem until, you learn to clean then flush then turn off then on again / reboot. It actually says this in the instructions for cleaning. This works.
Worked for me, perfect 👌
You can try to refill the steam water tank by pumping water from the stream wand with something like noise raising washer bottle. Doesn't have to be filled to fuill, just half tank can trigger the machine to pump water again. That works for me very well.
For Breville Duo Temp Pro they recommend 50/50 white vinegar and water for descaling. On other machines since then they say not to use vinegar but frankly I think that's just an attempt to persuade people to buy expensive Breville products. Maybe this is a better option for you.
in other machines any kind of acid is going to effect metal tubing and pathways which might be the reason they're not recommending it.
You can even make your own descaler solution using tartaric acid 10% and citric acid 30% (taste it it's not harsh at all) for a fraction of the cost of the Breville offering. This is the recipe of acids used on the side of the Breville product. $50 for Breville product or $8 for a pot of citric and tartaric from the supermarket. Using tartaric and citric acids is preferable over vinegar (to me) is because they are both almost flavourless and much easier to flush away than stinky vinegar.
@@spudpud-T67 coul you please give a recipe of how to mix the ta and ca, thanks in advance if possible, regards Mark Rayner.
@@markrayner8300 I use the powder versions of both tartaric and citric acid bought from the supermarket. The boiler is not big so you can mix a teaspoon or two of each acid into a couple of cups of water and add it to the water reservoir. Run a few empty shots through the machine to get the acid into the system. Let it sit for 15 minutes to dissolve the calcium carbonate. Then flush the system many times by running though some more shots, using fresh water. Taste the empty shots after about 4 or 5 flushes to taste for acidity. It's ready to use when there is only the taste of fresh water. These are very human friendly acids we use in food production, so if you have a real build up of calcium carbonate use a few teaspoons of each acid to get the job done. You may need to run the acid cleanse a few times or let it sit for half and hour for a nasty CaCO3 buildup. If you descale regularly then just use less acid. There is not an exact measure needed.
@@markrayner8300 I use the powder versions of both tartaric and citric acid bought from the supermarket. The boiler is not big so you can mix a teaspoon or two of each acid into a couple of cups of water and add it to the water reservoir. Run a few empty shots through the machine to get the acid into the system. Let it sit for 15 minutes to dissolve the calcium carbonate. Then flush the system many times by running though some more shots, using fresh water. Taste the empty shots after about 4 or 5 flushes to taste for acidity. It's ready to use when there is only the taste of fresh water. These are very human friendly acids we use in food production, so if you have a real build up of calcium carbonate use a few teaspoons of each acid to get the job done. You may need to run the acid cleanse a few times or let it sit for half and hour for a nasty CaCO3 buildup. If you descale regularly then just use less acid. There is not an exact measure needed.
What year model is your machine, It does not appear to have the top water filler access, could Breville have fixed this by now? I have descaled mine twice now with out issues.
Where is this step by step video you discussed? I can’t find it.
Future viewers: video really begins at 3:20
What are the batch codes of these machines with steam boiler sensor fail? I am thinking they are a more recent model than mine. It sounds like the sensors themselves are defective. Your machine needs to be descaled and both boilers need it no matter what the quality of your water unless it is distilled - and you no doubt are aware that using distilled water is a no-no. I am on my my 3rd BDB but that is only because the first two were replaced due to the Descale indicator latching on the first time I ran the descale cycle. I could not get it to go off despite several telephone conversations with Breville Support I think the 3rd one they sent has the descale indicator disabled! I've never seen it come on anyway and that is fine with me! It is not clear what trips it whether it is a counter or sensor. I am pretty sure the "Clean-me" indicator is a counter. I setup a calendar reminder to descale every 90 days. I have descaled my system 4 times this way now without any issues. The steam boiler fill sensor is fine and it always refills without issue. My batch code is 204 200 730 or 1st 4 really so 2042. I use Urnex descale packets. Maybe you are mixing yours to lean?
I had the same issue with my Oracle Touch. Sent the machine back in for service (under warranty, what a PITA!!!). Three week turnaround. I'm done with Breville.
Yep - this is my current problem. Thanks for making the video!!
Is gonna be appreciated to see how you do the process opening the top and show by detail what cable move and the whole thing cuz is so many steps .. hope you can make a video. And yes true after my scaling my machine had same issues..
How many times did you flush both boilers after descaling? Once or at least twice?
The drain screws do not have a Philips head, they are flat head screws with a single slot.
Thanks for this video! I had the exact same problem with my machine and this solution by disconnecting the red cable to fill the boiler work like a charm. This is the first problem with the machine. Apart from this I lo e this machine and would recommend to anyone
I absolutely love it!!
What kind of a descaler did you use when you got this issue?
@@moviemaster00000 the one that comes with the machine following the manual instructions
@@rgdealmeida so it was the original descaler? How often did you descale, meaning what was the time in total the machine was unscaled? Did you rinse both boilers at least 2-3 times after the descale cycle? Just trying to figure out why you could have had the problem.
@@moviemaster00000 yes, it was the original descaler. I did it after 6 months or so of owning the machine from new. Half way through the process of descaling it I could see something was wrong as water was not coming out when opening the steam screw. I continued anyways and when finished, steam pump was not filling up
If you use a descaler that is biodegradable and contains no chemicals....will it still be harsh? I recently descaled my Rocket using a biodegradable descaler from Whole Latte Love...based on your video...was that unnecessary??
The descalers are normally tartaric acid 10% and citric acid 30% these are not harsh. If your mouth can handle lemon juice then your stainless steel and plastic machine can too.
I’ve always descaled my machines with white vinegar exclusively and regarded all other products to be snake oil.
Great tip - even here in Switzerland you can get the white stuff (Tafelessig) for less than a dollar!!
Could you give me the combination of water and white vinegar?
Dylan, thank you so much for this video! It took two tries to fix the steam boiler sensor. My machine is still indicating a need for descaling. What do you recommend going forward: using a vinegar solution, using the breville brand descaling solution, never descaling again or something else? Thank you!
Why did you get the issue with the steam boiler sensor? Did you descale the machine and with what?
@@moviemaster00000 The issue I experienced was exactly what this video addressed - the steam boiler stopped working after I descaled the machine. I used Urnex coffee and espresso machine descaling powder. I do not want to experience that issue again, it was a giant pain to fix.
@@suzannedamon812 I think there could have been the point you see. Using only Breville descaler gives you the guarantee that you don't put any harsher descaler inside your machine that it could handle with. I see many people having this dreaded 3 beep error after using X type descaler. I truly advice using only the original one, even if it costs you a dollar more than anything else per cycle.
I know this video is 2 years long, but it has to be said.
First, I do recommend descaling Hard water accumulate with time and will coat the senso as well.
Second, your remedy is more complicated than it needs to be.
My machine has the wires welded to the sensor so this will be not possible with my Breville Dual Boiler
So, I Guess depending on when the machine was built, they can have the wires welded or not
Instead of repeating this rinsing process just get the sensor out and clean it.
It is just one clip and the sensor comes out
Third, To prevent this you must follow the instructions
Run Descale cycle with the Descale Solution (I do it twice)
Also make sure you are mixing the descaler to the correct ratio
Run Descale cycle with Clean Water (I do it twice) this will rinse the sensors
The machine should have no issue.
If you descale but don't rinse that when things bad happened and also you need to rinse so that it won't mix with your coffee on your next brew.
nice video...very helpful...
where is that video of the fix process? I searched for it in your videos and could not find it.
I cannot find it either ?
Good advice! I would have done this if mine wasn't under warranty
Descaled my first Dual Boiler with Dezcal after 3 months and got the 3 beeps of death on the steam wand.
Tried flushing the boilers a dozen times and couldn't get the wand to work again.
Got a replacement and wont be trying again. I just use very low calcium bottled water.
It’s a pain!!
How many times did you flush your tanks after the descaling process? Did you do that at least 2 times like it says? And why did you not use the original Sage descaler?
@@moviemaster00000 didnt use the breville descale because i am not a fool. Overpriced. And after reading many stories online of people using it and getting 3 beeps of death i used a much weaker solution with dezcal. STILL got 3 beeps. Boilers flushed 6 times on first descale. Then over a dozen times when i got the 3 beeps.
@@explosivefitnessuk you surely sound like a fool, complaining about a 15 dollar descaler pack which could last you at least a year and maybe 2 if you descale 2 times per year. 😂 And not descaling does not cost you anything? The bottled water which you pay 100 times more money per year or the water filter which I assume you change it too. And to come to dezcal, how much would you save on that? I can't imagine it would be a measurable amount of money. I'm not saying dezcal is the no 1 problem, I have just been told that to do everything according to the machines manual and the things should be fine. Since of now I have carefully followed the manual each time and no problems. I'm just trying to find out of how much the fault of those "dreaded 3 beeps" could be because of the manual was not correctly followed (different kind of descalers were used, the water tanks were not flushed at least 2 times, skipping some steps and so on).
@@moviemaster00000 BAHAHA just noticed your frantic cry baby replies to half the people in this comment section. Sort your life out kiddo. Do your research. Why do you think people started avoiding the breville descale solution in the first place boy? because of the 3 beeps! lol Hence i used a WEAKER solution and still got it. Go sell your Breville products elsewhere
Bro, if you wanna destroy your machine than don’t do descale.
But if you wanna have your Espresso machine for long term, PLEASE DESCALE once a month. Because doesn’t matter how soft your water, minerals everywhere and your machine will be grateful for the descale.
Don’t wait for any lights, do it frequently and you fine.
@@treibsand1959 I would disagree
Hello Dylan Very good detailed explanation RE: descaling.My DB is about 3 month old , so I don't have to worry as of yet.But if that time arrives your video will take the pressure of the situation.At this point in time ,my dialling in with the Niche Zero grinder is getting better.I have a question for you ,which is: Using pre infusion by way's of the manual button ,how long should I hold it before letting it go for 8-9 Bars of pressure. and the starting point IOW first drop? I use a Pullman 19-22 gr. basket with 18 gr. coffee .Niche grinder set at 17.5 .The puck is very dense and hard to remove.I buy my coffee next door freshly roasted.The espresso taste not to bad.I'm turning it into a coffee Americano and will soon try the cappuccino route. Any suggestions are welcome.Thank you and greetings from Herman Rombouts.
If you plan not to descale your machine at all, it would possibly last you a year, if even so. Even if you live in a quite soft water area. So avoiding descaling at all costs could destroy all your machine and not just the steam boiler issue.
Late to the discussion here but adding my comment as I did the first descale yesterday. I had this exact same issue. The dreaded beeps and no steam afterwards. Having watched this video looking for a solution, I was ready to open up the machine and go through the wire disconnection method. Unfortunately, I did not have a thin enough screwdriver and all local stores were closed by that time. Forced me to wait overnight. I turned on the machine around 8am the next day. It had been off and unplugged for about 9 hrs by then. Again the beeps, no steam. I left the machine on and over the next 15 mins or so, it started to make a groaning sound (was clearly doing something) and then the steam wand was working again. It had re-pressurized itself. No need to take the machine apart at all. I think patience is key here (and maybe some luck?) but I would advise maybe waiting a bit before opening up the machine, especially for machines still under warranty. I won't be doing another descale for a long time.
What kind of a descaler did you use?
@@moviemaster00000 I used the Official Sage/Breville product called "The Descaler" tablet.
@@solebrother9620 thats good! Did you follow all the procedures as said in the manual? For example desolving only one packet in 1 litre of water? And did you rinse the boilers at least 2 or 3 times before turning the machine on again? Also how much time passed from the start of the machine to the descaling cycle? And last do you live in a hard water area or soft?
@@moviemaster00000 Yes, I was super careful to follow the instructions to the letter. Measured out the water precisely, added the tablet etc. After the descale cycle, I rinsed it several times (can't recall how many but definitely enough) - I think that was with the machine on though, I can't actually remember the exact process as it was a few months ago. Also not sure about the time question you ask - do you mean how long I'd been using the machine before the first descale? - If so, it was about a year. (Note:- I live in Zürich Switzerland and can't drink the local piped water because it gives me stomach issues. I have, therefore, only ever used Evian water in the BDB machine, which I think probably has relatively low calcium/lime content?).
@@solebrother9620 it seems to me that a year without descaling sounds a bit too much. Doesn't really matter if you use soft tap water, bottled water, filtered water or something else like that. Scale development is only a matter of time. For hard water regions you have to descale quite oftenly (for example my friend does this 2 times a month). But even for the very soft water areas (including bottled water) Breville has recommended to descale at least every 4 months.
So I'm not totally sure thats your case but the longer the scale builds, the bigger the problem gets eventually. If the scale has been slowly building lets say for a year, no wonder it will cause problems to the machine when the descaler eventually releases those scaly pieces and therefore blocks everything there could be blocked. So I would truly advice you to descale at least 2 times a year to avoid descaling and scaling problems all at once. The video topic here talking you to never descale is complete crap and does not seem to have any logic because you just cannot avoid scale which ever water you use in which ever way. You can use distilled water, which destroys your machine in a couple of weeks thanks to corrosion. Only distilled water does not produce any scale
Hi Dylan! I like the channel. Was wondering hat you have on the top of your dual boiler in the video? Is that a certain kind of cloth?
do anyone have link to the edited video on the process?
So what do you do instead of descaling please? and Do you use a particular type of water to help keep scale down ?
I use third wave water and I do my daily and weekly flushes to keep up with maintenance
@@DylansHomeEspressoBar
TWW has pretty high TDS. Are you sure that long term it won't cause scale build up? I used it in the past and then switched to Rpavlis recipe. It's easier to dissolve, tastes just as good and has zero scale. It's also much cheaper, requiring just a small amount of food-grade potassium bicarbonate.
@@DylansHomeEspressoBar no matter what kind of water you use, there are still some minerals attached to it. And what minerals lead to eventually? Yes- scale! You do not have to be a rocket scientist to work that out Dylan! This should be common sense.
@@DylansHomeEspressoBar I tried TWW and it sucked
Thanks Dylan, thought my machine was toast!
Hey Dylan, just discovered your Channel! Love it!
I have a Dual Boiler (2019) and recently it's developed several problems; steam but no hot water, condensation in menu display and (less) in gauge, and seems to be leaking water into the drip, maybe from around the top of the steam wand.
I did open the top to see if there was any obvious blockage in the hot water tubing but was able to blow through to the open drain for the steam boiler.?? There also seems to be general corrosion, so maybe a steam leak somewhere? Any thoughts?
I've contacted Breville and they're not taking repairs until maybe August. They've offered a 60% discount on a new one but that's still significant and more than a repair, which is $$.
William, I am having the same exact issue. Did you ever resolve your problem?
@@mattseay7909 Breville eventually took my Dual Boiler for repair ($425 I think) and sent me a new machine.
I have a question if you can answer it or if anybody else knows. On my Breville Dual Boiler espresso machine I only use demineralised water. So what I would like to do is figure out a way to get rid of that display on my espresso machine that says to descale. Is there any way to bypass that on this machine without having to go through all the steps?
Yes, you can do a factory reset. Information you can get by googling.
The other thing you can do is go ahead and do the descale cycle and only use water…
Would love to see the detailed vid
the steamer handle gets really stiff when hoist . Any tips
Hey Dylan,
Your channel is a life saver. I have had my Dual Boiler for about 8 years. It has never given me any problems what so ever until I decided to buy some specific espresso descaler. Did the usual process using it and then for the first time I had no steam.
As this has never happened to me I have not looked for videos like yours. I have always used citric acid granuals to descale my machine. Never had a problem at all usung it. No sensor issues. I will go and grab a set of Torx drivers to get the back off and flush the sensor through. I suppose the £20 for the driver set is a bargain against £150 for an engineer to do the same.
Thanks for this info. I would of been ripped off with out it.
It's probably because you had a ton of scale in the machine, once you cleaned it, large chunks came off. I'm guessing you didn't flush it enough and a chunk ended up in the steam sensor. That's my guess.
why on earth did you buy some specific espresso machine descaler at the first place and did not use the one Breville hardly suggests? Its not just money that Breville wants to get from you, its the idea that the Breville descaling solution is MADE for Breville's espresso machines. If you buy some X descaler you never know how harsh could it be and would it possible suit your espresso machine. Why risk to save an extra dollar for every descale cycle?
And of course who leaves their machine unscaled for 8 years? That is just nonsense. I can only imagine what was inside your machine when you decided to descale it after all that time.
5:46 Incorrect.
The descaler is an acid (tartaric and citric typically), and dissolves the build up of calcium carbonate that builds up on metallic parts in the machine. The descaler does not coat the sensor but rather removes the coating of calcium. The organic acids are not harsh at all and after descaling the machine should be flushed a couple of times with water to return to normal. You may find descaling has loosened a number of chunks of dirt / algae bonding with the calcium which then cause blockage. All the more reason to descale more regularly and use the resin water filters.
and no heart from Dylan. wonder why. 😂😂 Can't admit his own mistakes...
Great video Dylan 👌 this is very helpful to know. 👍
Taking the probes out and cleaning worked first try. You just remove the little spring clips and they pull right out. Most of them you don't even need to disconnect the wire to clean. Mine had a lot of scale build up on them which I cleaned off with steel wool. There are four probes in total and flushing them with water inside the tank is not really going to clean them at all. Better off taking them out rather than trial and error on tank flushing
Thanks. That was my question. This solution sence more logical
Wish I would have watched this video before doing a GD descaling yesterday
thank you brother
thanks for the solution. 100%
If you think descaling a 920 is difficult you should try doing it on the 900 which doesn't have the drain screws. I just finished descaling a 900 that I picked up for free. It's not hard to do but the process is different to the 920. I would say that if you don't know what you're doing, pay someone who does to do it for you. Depending on how long you have the machine for, it will need to be descaled at some point.
Of course every machine needs to be descaled at one point. 1 month, 4 months, 6 months, you have to do it. It just makes me laugh when people talk nonsense about getting the BDB and planning to have it for 10 years without NEVER descaling it. Sure you can, but better to cut the wire of the machine then if you're not going to use it anyway. 😂
Normally the drain ports on the 920 clog up anyway
This is a common issue on this machine.
There are hidden menus on the Breville Dual Boiler which can help fix this issue and force the boilers to refill.
1. Power off the unit
2. Holding the 'ONE CUP' and 'TWO CUP' buttons, press the power button MULTIPLE TIMES until the screen comes on with '00:00' displayed.
3. Press the 'UP' button (which increments the numbers 01:00, 02:00, then some counters I think etc etc) about 12 times until '3r5t' is displayed.
4. Hold the 'MANUAL' button for 3 seconds which will have lit up - the machine will beep 3 times and '3r5t' will flash.
5. Press the 'POWER' button
The machine will enter it's first startup routine.
I tried this and it did not work. Last time I descaled also had similar issues. For some reason I got it working by turn off the machine and flipping the steam handle on. This time it didn’t work. I tried the reset instructions you provided and after it reboot post reset, steam still didn’t work. Guess I’ll have to open the damned box.
@@with.the.y Darn, that's too bad. Seems like your only option is to open it yeah.
effective method
Tried this several times and it did not work
So your descaling solution costed the temp sensor rods that are in the boiler. Your fix does trick it but it’s not fixing the problem. The right thing to do is take the steam probes attached the wires out. You have to pull the cotter pins and then removed them. Clean them up with some sand paper. Put them back in and fixed.
Also while the probes are out, change the o-rings. The big and small
Small on is at the base of the ceramic and a little tougher to do
Easy to say not to descale but don't forget that you are still fighting with the limescale which could possibly destroy all your machine and not just the steam boiler. So you are not just fighting with the "descale" notification or alarm. Scale is a well known thing that kills many espresso machines not just Breville ones. You can easily say that use filtered water or do whatever it takes to put better water to your machine but the scale still is inevitable. You just push the problem forward by doing that. It is not the question if the scale develops but when it does. So buying a new machine and hoping to never descale it by using filtered water and guessing that machine will last you for 10+ years seems ridiculous.
You don't have to descale you can go and buy another machine when it clogs with calcium. This video is very bad advice saying don't descale. Calcium build up is of no benefit at all and will damage and block many items in the machine, pumps, solenoid, tubes, heater elements. Cleaning / dissolving the calcium away may also loosen dirt and algae which than blocks some lines and gives the symptoms talked about here, The machine needs regular descaling and multiple flushing after this process. You can even make your own descaler solution using tartaric acid 10% and citric acid 30% (taste it it's not harsh at all) for a fraction of the Breville offering.
@@spudpud-T67 That's exactly what I was talking about. Rather than worrying about your steam valve you could destroy all your machine. If the manual says to descale and you do everything correctly then it's 100% Sage/Breville's fault who should find you a solution whether or not the machine is still on warranty. If you choose to risk and not descale then the risk is 100% yours and if something happens you have no way of getting Sage/Breville into this when you have not followed the manual. Said the same thing, I have descaled my machine twice. Successfully. Still I'm worried every time I do that but gladly I still have my warranty and this gives me peace. I hope Sage/Breville fixes this problem in the future models. Scale is inevitable and you cannot avoid the machine scaling up by using filtered water, even if its filtered 100 times, still it's only a matter of time when the scale starts to build up. This is common sense and science.
@@spudpud-T67 PS. I have always flushed my machine at least two times after descaling.
@@moviemaster00000 RUclips has so many excellent tutorials on descaling and servicing. They will help a lot in knowing your machine. Descaling is required and not doing so will result in machine failure.
Sending in the machine to a pro service department is expensive as they will often just replace solenoids and pumps (they are lazy and we are paying) that are blocked and could have just been cleaned or keep clean to avoid blocking. I had a Breville BES900 and when the service department disappeared I had to learn to do it myself. Now the machine is much cleaner ( I can look into the boiler and clean it out) and I don't have to pay for new pumps etc. This is common sense and maintenance is fun science.
Rarely does the appliance complete the descale cycle.
So true!
Why haven't you used this video to actually show us the process? Rather than just talking for 15 minutes solid. You could have done this in 5 minutes.
Team the only solution that worked from reading this comment section was to remove the red probe from the steam boiler ( could not be removed fully ) and slowly pour water into the boiler to fill it up as much a possible and leave it over night - this most likely cleaned the descaler off the probe and allowed it to work again so I got my steam back.
I used a metal straw as the hole was so damn small and essentially used my mouth or put the water in (I descaled the machine without the fluid 2 times after this because of my yucky mouth germs). Also if you are going to do what I did but some paper towel around the boiler to A) stop water spilling in the machine and B) catch that damn little pin that keeps the red probe in as mine dropped to the bottom and had to use a magnet on a stick to grab it.
I watched a video made by Whole Latte Love where they actually cut open a boiler that had just been descaled and the inside of that boiler was nasty I wouldn’t drink coffee out of that machine, there technician said only descale your machine as a last resort, I have two espresso machines that are over 6 years old and have never descales these machines and they still run like new, I use a filter and I also put a water softener bag in the water tank the bag will last for one year, my philosophy if it isn’t broke don’t fix it.
Should link the video in the description
Definitely must remove red wire, blue wire does nothing. Worked first time for me. Absolute pain though, took about 2 hours to descale!
how did you take out the re wire
@@martincho0116 just pull it out. When your finished push it back on. Very easy.
You are lucky having 920 model! It`s much much much more complicated to people wo`s having a previous 900 model. No drain access holes at all. It needs to be partially disassembled and water sucked out off both boilers, manually filling by a descaler, suction again and multiple flushing with the same multiple suctions... Nightmare!!!
Complicated but not a nightmare. But I'm a guy so I love technology.
If you didn't repeat yourself so many times, "what do I mean?" Well, if you didn't repeat yourself so many times, this video would have been half the length it currently is now and my 5 second scroll ahead button wouldn't be so worn out.
Also, at 4:17, those two valve screw heads are a 'slotted-head' ( - ) and not a 'Phillips-head' ( + ) (Henry F. Phillips)
Looking at this video again you claimed the left side screw was the steam but that's the group head boiler. The right side is for the steam.
Thank you for posting your videos! They are very useful and helpful!
If this doesn’t for you: In my case it was a thermal fuse at the right side of the steam boiler which died while descaling. It’s a very Nerv cracking repair! U can find a tutorial on a famous barista forum ;-)
How many times did you flush both boilers after descaling? Once or at least twice?
@@moviemaster00000 At LEAST twice. I wasn't sure about the effect of these flushes so I wanted to make sure that all the solution is coming out of the boilers.
@@Fabnm And what kind of a descaler did you use? The original Sage/Breville one or something else?
@@Fabnm I guess you did not use the original descaler. I recommend not to use any other descaler than the original one because you will never know the harshness of other descalers. The yearly savings of 5 dollars or less is not worth it. Also mix your descaler and water in a separate bowl or jug. That way you'd also make sure that the water tank has not got some of the undissolved descaler pieces on the bottom of the tank.
Hey Dylan which descaler did u use?
Urnex dezcal
So if u are not gonna descale now. What are u gonna do to clear the Descale message when it comes up?
@@canadian_coffe_guy4690 put it into descale mode and turn off the machine
Great idea I'm gonna do the same. I am currently using spring water and Ro mixture. About 120ppm I don't think descaling is necessary if u use good water
@@DylansHomeEspressoBar why not the original Sage descaler? You cannot say not to do what the manual asks you to do when you have not even done it correctly yourself. This is a joke!
I just use white vinegar to decale
I'm sorry but I seem to completely disagree the only thing you are going to do is destroy your machine there is two wires to the sensor for the very simple reason that any anything electrical needs to wires a positive and a negative to create a circuit.
the issue as to why you have no steam is because you've just emptied a pressurised vessel you have to give it time to repressurise all you have to do is leave the machine on walk away for 20 minutes come back after that time it would have built itself back up to the correct pressure and ready be used.
Saying to people need to pull them machine apart to fix something that just takes a little bit of time and a little bit of patience is ridiculous I'm sorry but you are talking about something you don't understand
Wow you even got a heart! 😁
Stop talking nonsense. Did all that. Left my first machine for 3 days with no effect. Only thing that worked as taking it apart and manual flushing them
Haha 😂 good luck with all that!
@@DylansHomeEspressoBar rather good luck with somehow vanishing scale 😂 you can have a nobel prize if you manage to keep your machine totally scale free while using water at all. 😂😂😂
Just don’t empty the steam boiler before descaling🤷🏼♂️ seems to be the simplest solution
4 mins in and youve said NOTHING!