I think a lot of people who don't like the Pacific as much as BoB just don't get what the point of the series was supposed to be. BoB was a documentation of a unit and really leans into the 'WW2 Soldiers were heroes who went through something terrible' side of the war, which is accurate, but the Pacific deals with the 'private wars' that the marines and soldiers had to fight. Basilones war is against his feelings that he's in the wrong place: he was meant to lead men into battle, not sit back and sell bonds. Leckies war is over the possibility that he could have been abandoned to the conflict and if he lives to go home, his family and Vera may very well just give him the stiff arm. But Sledges war really encapsulates the truth of WW2: his war is to keep his humanity after he thrusts himself into a situation he had no idea would be so brutal and is now stuck, with the only way out being to survive long enough to go home, get wounded, or die. It's those three basic sides that really makes the Pacific special and why I kinda prefer it.
I love both of these miniseries equally, to be honest. If I want pure military patriotism, I'll watch Band of Brothers. But if I'm in the mood for something darker, and with a deeper meaning behind it with that grittiness, I'm going to pick The Pacific every time. Sledge definitely makes for a great character since he's the easiest, for at least me, to relate to. I just wish that they would have evolved more with the characters in Band of Brothers. I would have loved to see more of at least Winters' feelings a little more. His thoughts on his actions. The man playing him did great at portraying his emotion expressions, but I just feel that learning about the characters themselves in BoB was lacking in comparison to The Pacific.
Spot on. For me, it’s the brutality aspect of just how unforgiving the war in the pacific was that just makes it better for me. BoB shows a lot of the inhumanity you see at war, but not a lot of people understand what was really at stake in other parts of the world. The Pacific captures such a devastating piece of human history that people need to see, and the performances are absolutely insane from the actors as well. You truly feel the hopelessness with Sledge, Basilone, and Leckie.
na i mean maybe but not for me i thought i would enjoy it because this is where my grandfather fought but it just does not hold my attention like bob could
Got out a few years ago. I was infantry for 5 years. I didn't see any kind of brotherhood whatsoever. Just a bunch of backstabbing yes-man officers in charge of kids who only cared about feeling good about themselves. The Marine Corps depicted in this video doesn't exist anymore.
My grandpa was a navy corpsman. He saw all them poor guys when they were brought onto his hospital ship. He said they would not want to be in small places on the ship if they could help it for fear of being trapped. Others with the 1000 yard stare that never went away. Even in the ships galley if someone dropped a tray half the room would dive for cover.
@@unsalted_walrus1575 Yeah he had a lot of stories like that. He preferred to talk about stealing donuts from the officers mess. He and his buddies had a contest going. He never was caught.
In his book, Eugene describes Chesty Puller as an incompetent commander who failed to adapt to a modern war, ordering charge after charge against heavy positions... Funny note..
shabut relax man, I am just passing on his assesments. I never made gave any opinions on puller. Still, your out right dismissal of sledges assessments because he was a 'mo-tah' is something i consider flawed. Now did marines just charge against heavy positions again and again? Perhaps if they had inept commanders. Haldane you'll note, was different.
William Ibey, one of my relatives, died there in Oct, 1944. He was 5th Regiment, Ist Marines. He was 18 years old. Came from a little town, Enfield, NH.
Just a point - in the Army the 1st Infantry Regiment would be known as the 1st Infantry where as the 1st Infantry Division - would be known as just that. In the Marines - the 1st Marine Regiment would be known as the 1st Marines and the 1st Marine Division known as just that. So - He was in the 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division. .
@@BobSmith-dk8nw Thank you, you are correct, I have a picture of Bill's gravestone. I was probably tired when I posted. Bill and his Brother Charlie, who was a b-24 crewman were both killed in WW2. Bill in the Pacific, Charlie in Italy.
@@michaelibey6700 Back when the still used Regiments a lot - the branch of the Regiment was always in the name of the unit - for example Custer's Regiment of Cavalry - was known as the 7th Cavalry. Later on - they began operating in brigades which would have a combination of arms in them such as a mix of infantry, armor and artillery and these just had numbers within the division they were in - which was pretty much 1st Brigade, 2nd Brigade and 3rd Brigade. An exception to that was the WWII Armored divisions which - though they were in fact brigades - they called them Combat Commands - so that they would have CCA, CCB and CCR (R for Reserve). The Regiments still exist, for example they will have 1/5, 2/5 and 3/5 which would be 1st Battalion 5th Marines, 2nd Battalion 5th Marines and 3rd Battalion 5th Marines - but these battalions might be mixed in with other battalions to form Brigades. And thus, the 1st Marine Division is still composed of 1st Marines, 5th Marines, 7th Marines and 11th Marines (the last regiment being artillery) but they tend to operate in brigades with a mixture of battalions in them. The number of battalions in a brigade varies depending on it's tasks but would range from 3 to 5. During WWII and Korea they also formed Task Forces of mixed units which were temporary formations usually named after their commander. Such as Task Force Faith (the CO's last name was Faith) which was destroyed at the Chosin Reservoir in Korea. .
My wife and I are Army veterans from the 70’s and we both later used our GI bill to get educations. She took a course from a much older Professor Eugene Sledge at the University of Montevallo thirty years ago. She loved him as a teacher and had no idea he had written a book, which was split into two books. His story has special meaning for us both. My old man was a War II Marine who retired in 1962. He had a great deal of respect for Puller as well as the First Marine Division. As do I. I got to hear some interesting stories.
One of the best and easily missed true lines in the series; 1st Marines, (my Alma Mater,) comes off the line beat to shit after kicking ass and the fresh bloods tell their brothers, "We got 'em." It's a total throw-away line, but it shows a great part of what makes us different than the other services. They don't take away from the brothers coming off the line. They just take over and get some. Their may be no "I" in team, but there is a personal possession to our responsibility to each other. It's MY Corps. It's OUR fight. "I" got this. I love this series even more than Band of Brothers. They did a good job showing the Esprit de Corps. Gung Ho, and Semper Fi.
As some commenters point out: Chesty Puller had his detractors. I believe in one text he was referred to as a "butcher" for having an almost callous disregard for lives of his men. Enlisted loved him (still do) but he was (at least in WW2) not seen as a very adept commander." Mike Edson on the other hand (Edson Range anyone? Rifle Qual?) was seen as equally brave and a much more capable commander than Puller. However, even within USMC History Mike Edson receives significantly fewer accolades than Puller despite also earning 2 Navy Crosses and a Medal of Honor. There's debate as to why this is, but some attribute it to "Red Mike" having committed suicide after the war and such a death being frowned on by the Marine Corp.
The pacific campaign was one of the most difficult campaigns in US history, Terrain, supply, enemy defences im sure Chesty did his best to not throw Marines away but at a certain point theres only one way to "win" and thats moving forward.
Ironically, Chesty's son was severely wounded as a Marine in Vietnam. Lost both legs and parts of his hands. Chesty was devastated. His son Lewis eventually committed suicide over dealing with his wounds and being crippled. Chesty being who he is in the end was a direct contributor to what destroyed him and his son.
@@trevorcorkeryI’m pretty sure Chesty and his son knew exactly what they were getting themselves into when they joined the marines. They knew the risks. They sacrificed so much in those wars. And veterans deal with physical and mental traumas differently. To some veterans, it is easy. But to others, it is very difficult.
@@MusicFan-qc1ig Of course they knew, but that was the only thing that broke Chesty. Every man has his breaking point. He was criticized for being reckless with his mens' lives in the corp by some too. In the end, it came full circle. I say this without judgment. It an observation of what happened.
This came back to haunt Puller when he was up for becoming a General. There was political infighting over whether he should receive his star. Captain Everett Pope who was awarded the congressional medal of honor for his action on Peleliu is quoted as saying, "The adulation paid him these days sickens me”. Pope as a company commander kept reporting to Puller that the attacks were fruitless and Chesty replied "just keep pushing man....keep pushing". Chesty and Rupertus were relieved along with the first marine division who, through their incompetence, were cut to pieces. They kept refusing reinforcements from the army while sending Marines on near suicidal charges. It wasn't until Marine General Roy Geiger became appalled by Puller's cumulative casualties that he ordered the Army in to relieve the shattered elements of the first Marine division. When it come to Korea do not look to Puller. It was Marine General O.P. Smith's patience and reluctance to adhere to Army general Ned Almond that saved the the first marine division and not Puller.
@@boomdos4265 Yes they did. You also see troops in the desert do similar things - like those Foreign Legion Kepi's, depending on the time of year. We landed in North Africa in November and were in Sicily if not Italy by the summer so you didn't see as much of that there. I can't recall how the British, Germans and Italians dealt with it ... though I believe some of them, possibly Italians, had sun helmets for some of their personnel. Not sure about that. .
@@BobSmith-dk8nw were you Legion? Thought long and hard jumping ship and joining the Legionnaires who were down the street while I was in the Horn. Figured if they turned me away, I'd be screwed. So never tried it.
Tails out, an unintended design aspect of the M-1 helmet cover that really made quite good sense as a field modification for the back of the neck sun screen. An iconic look in my opinion.
I will cry my eyes out uncontrollably, when the last WWII Veteran perishes from this Earth... All those amazing stories of their heroism, all that history gone... But at least when they all arrive in Heaven, they will all tell St. Peter. "One more reporting for duty sir. I've served my time in Hell."
I have made several people go rewatch The Pacific, and everyone got a better understanding and appreciation for the series after seing it a second time.
I highly reccomend you listen to Jocko podcast #121. 3 hours on puller. I think it will change your mind. He was in a bad spot, no reinforcements and told to attack after suffering %50+ casualties.
@@justjsse8917 true... The real arrogant bastard was the division commander who swore the 1st Marine Division could take the whole island itself. That is until III Amphibious Corps commander overruled him and had the 321st from the Army relieve the 1st Marines...
This series is based on two books that overlap in their battles; Hell in the Pacific and With The Old Breed. Recommend reading both, and of course the books are better and more detailed
@@Hwoarang300 It's not weird in the slightest. Different people deal with PTSD, guilt, anger, fear and other residual feelings in different ways. Some bottle it up and lash out at others. Some turn to alcohol and substance abuse. Some get therapy. Some find writing about their experiences to be cathartic. The fact that these men and others have all historically had different ways of dealing with the aftermath of war is human nature, going back to ancient times.
I love the pacific theatre of war it really was a hard fought victory especially the way the marines had to live. Respect to all the soldiers who died in ww2 to give us our freedom
Thanks David.. Truth. I try to find proper perspective when my cell signal drops or waiting in line at grocery and I get pissy Great comment. Dose of reality..
This series was so excellent that I think they should do another about those sections that werent mentioned in this like Tarawa, Eniweitok and Tinian after which the big bombers had a base from which they could strike at Japan.
this scene is the most unforgettable to me. the lame and defeated 1 st marine recalls all the hardships they have been through and how brace they have been .
The 1st marine regiment was the first to see the Hell of the Peleliu hills and it costed them a lot of Lives the battle of peleliu costed a lot of Marines of lives and the most annoying thing yet the unfairness part of it that the island was never used for any future military operations now that is a waste young men's lives.
Greatest generation ever no words needed the scene says and shows it all gave me chills what those young Marines did on those Islands against that tyrannical enemy will never be forgotten by this Lad Semper Fi
My dad knew Puller on Okinawa after the war in 55. He said the man couldn't take not being in combat and he was "a crazy son of a bitch" My dad quoted him once as saying that he would get a truck full of dog tags just to get a MOH
SoKawaiiGrill he was awarded 5 navy crosses tho. He was aggressive and inspired his men. War is hell. Id much rather follow him into combat then someone to afraid or hesitant to be aggressive. That's far worse in my opinion.
@@justjsse8917 Nah. dude threw men needlessly through a meat grinder. I'd rather NOT follow him. especially since you aint fucking "FOLLOWING him" He knows he'll survive.
I just finished reading E.B. Sledge's With the Old Breed and let me tell you, "hey, how you doin" is a fucking travesty attempt of retelling the real dialogue which Sledge and his war buddies shared while on Peleliu.
To be fair, Chuckler wasn’t really his buddy. The show just used Sledge to show the audience Chuckler’s condition, since he was the only named character from the original 1st marines still fighting that we saw in the show in episode 1.
Peleliu is a nice looking island nowadays, with great shark diving off it. But, yeah, there is quite a lot of Japanese bunkers to be seen around the island. Much more than in the rest of Palau.
Leading charge after charge was a legacy tactic of earlier wars and it was considered legitimate. This was before we knew of air-land battle and how to really use close air support- though that was beginning. You have to judge Chesty Puller in the context of the education and guidance that he received.
Wurmo oh stop it was called hard times. Hard times breed strong men, strong men breed good times, good times breed weak men, and weak men breed hard times. The hard times are coming.
FIL was with Puller, got a purple heart there and another on Okinawa later. His assessment of Puller was "He was always 'hi diddle diddle, right up th' middle.' Got results but we knew he would cost us."
Something I like about this scene is that the marines leaving aren't even showing themselves in misery of course they look like hell but they put on a strong exterior and how they just pass each other stuff like with the cigarettes and how they were kinda like a tag team pumping up the ones going in
Im no soldier..but i cant help remembering the campain from COD world at war. its probaly the closest thing to jungle combat i will ever have and i am thankfull for that. war may seems heroic from the outside but in the end...people will die. they will struggle so they will stay alive,they will suffer through mud,shit and blood while everything around them went to hell until it takes them with it or leave them behindes scared for the rest of their life.
Had watched The Pacific for quite long ago and here waiting comments 'who's here after Bohemian Rhapsody' for those who came because of Joseph Mazzello.
@@Peoples_Republic_of_Devonshire Two types of people blindly see Chesty in a good light: boot Marines who are TOLD to view him that way even now. Middle aged old white men who never served, but have a passing interest in so-called "Military-history" and think he's some sort of hero.
My Grandfather would land the Marines on the beaches throughout the island hopping campaign. After awhile he learned to protect himself mentally by never making friends with the Marines.
Yes alot of people can relate to warfare on a tropical Island. laid out on a stretcher unable to speak going through the daily stress and yet boredom that accompanies warfare especially the South Pacific 1940s. Sure. What they went through is similar to what everyone else goes through right?
It took 2 and a half months, but yes, the commander of the 1st Marine Division boasted that he would take the island in a matter of days. The idea was that taking Peleliu would secure MacArthur's flank for his invasion of the Philippines. However, days before the operation, Admiral Halsey sent a report to Admiral Nimitz that Leyte had no defenses, and that he should cancel his operation and divert the Marines to MacArthur's command. For reasons that are still unclear to everyone, Nimitz went ahead with the attack on Peleliu anyways - so your guess is as good as mine.
The more you think about only two generations ago that youths were shipped off to Europe and the pacific to fight a war they probably had no clue was fought over. Crazy how this moulded men to be the hard men they were right up to their deaths. Incredible really. And now for them to see youths being soft as they are in all their ignorance. But that begs the question as well is that what they fought for?.
This mini series really deviated from the good stuff in the books it was based on. They did the survivors a disservice by glossing over the disillusion they went through. The intensity of what you read about in the books by Sledge and Leckie just isnt portrayed on film.
@@crazyhippo9931 yo, they're budget limited at 200M. had HBO pushed that up to 350M I think they would extended this into a 15- hour show and possibly cover 70% of With the Old Breed.
I think a lot of people who don't like the Pacific as much as BoB just don't get what the point of the series was supposed to be. BoB was a documentation of a unit and really leans into the 'WW2 Soldiers were heroes who went through something terrible' side of the war, which is accurate, but the Pacific deals with the 'private wars' that the marines and soldiers had to fight. Basilones war is against his feelings that he's in the wrong place: he was meant to lead men into battle, not sit back and sell bonds. Leckies war is over the possibility that he could have been abandoned to the conflict and if he lives to go home, his family and Vera may very well just give him the stiff arm. But Sledges war really encapsulates the truth of WW2: his war is to keep his humanity after he thrusts himself into a situation he had no idea would be so brutal and is now stuck, with the only way out being to survive long enough to go home, get wounded, or die. It's those three basic sides that really makes the Pacific special and why I kinda prefer it.
You gotta admit BoB was bloody brilliant though! I preferred if over the Pacific.
I love both of these miniseries equally, to be honest. If I want pure military patriotism, I'll watch Band of Brothers. But if I'm in the mood for something darker, and with a deeper meaning behind it with that grittiness, I'm going to pick The Pacific every time. Sledge definitely makes for a great character since he's the easiest, for at least me, to relate to.
I just wish that they would have evolved more with the characters in Band of Brothers. I would have loved to see more of at least Winters' feelings a little more. His thoughts on his actions. The man playing him did great at portraying his emotion expressions, but I just feel that learning about the characters themselves in BoB was lacking in comparison to The Pacific.
Spot on. For me, it’s the brutality aspect of just how unforgiving the war in the pacific was that just makes it better for me. BoB shows a lot of the inhumanity you see at war, but not a lot of people understand what was really at stake in other parts of the world. The Pacific captures such a devastating piece of human history that people need to see, and the performances are absolutely insane from the actors as well. You truly feel the hopelessness with Sledge, Basilone, and Leckie.
na i mean maybe but not for me i thought i would enjoy it because this is where my grandfather fought but it just does not hold my attention like bob could
Wait? People dont cinsider Pacific better than BoB? BoB was here longer and its rather classic but I dont find it as good as this.
This scene makes me tear up. Guys giving cigarettes, telling them good job, etc. The brotherhood of Marines is really a beautiful thing.
Yes it is. Marines...old and young can sit down together and talk about the Corps. I served from 1973 to 1977. Semper Fi from an old Marine Sgt...OUT
We're not called "The World's Biggest Gang" for nothing.
USN here. God bless the USMC. I went through SERE, almost all my classmates were Marines. Greatest bunch of guys.
sign up and go √
Got out a few years ago. I was infantry for 5 years. I didn't see any kind of brotherhood whatsoever. Just a bunch of backstabbing yes-man officers in charge of kids who only cared about feeling good about themselves. The Marine Corps depicted in this video doesn't exist anymore.
My grandpa was a navy corpsman. He saw all them poor guys when they were brought onto his hospital ship. He said they would not want to be in small places on the ship if they could help it for fear of being trapped. Others with the 1000 yard stare that never went away. Even in the ships galley if someone dropped a tray half the room would dive for cover.
Sounds like shell shock.....poor guys
God bless ... from Ireland. That's what the British done to are country. 💚
landfair123 That is so sad to hear how they dropped for cover when they dropped trays😭😭😭
@@unsalted_walrus1575 Yeah he had a lot of stories like that. He preferred to talk about stealing donuts from the officers mess. He and his buddies had a contest going. He never was caught.
landfair123 Hahaha I would love to meet your grandpa he sounds like a funny guy😂
In his book, Eugene describes Chesty Puller as an incompetent commander who failed to adapt to a modern war, ordering charge after charge against heavy positions... Funny note..
lol. Yet one of the most revered US commanders. In the Korean war his combat group was miles in front of the others.
Take the Mo-tar Man at face value when talking about Regimental tactics
Also Sledge was in the Marines in WWII guess what their task was. charge after charge against heavy positions.. funny note
shabut relax man, I am just passing on his assesments. I never made gave any opinions on puller.
Still, your out right dismissal of sledges assessments because he was a 'mo-tah' is something i consider flawed.
Now did marines just charge against heavy positions again and again? Perhaps if they had inept commanders. Haldane you'll note, was different.
Considering that Patton is view as a great strategist by many people in the US taking a side that his "mayor tactic" was just "Guts and blood".....
William Ibey, one of my relatives, died there in Oct, 1944. He was 5th Regiment, Ist Marines. He was 18 years old. Came from a little town, Enfield, NH.
and read that your uncle was executed as a POW in Italy ....so sad....de.findagrave.com/memorial/127018090
@@MakeSomeNoisePlaylists Wrong guy chump, www.findagrave.com/memorial/125205515/william-e-ibey
Just a point - in the Army the 1st Infantry Regiment would be known as the 1st Infantry where as the 1st Infantry Division - would be known as just that.
In the Marines - the 1st Marine Regiment would be known as the 1st Marines and the 1st Marine Division known as just that. So - He was in the 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division.
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@@BobSmith-dk8nw Thank you, you are correct, I have a picture of Bill's gravestone. I was probably tired when I posted. Bill and his Brother Charlie, who was a b-24 crewman were both killed in WW2. Bill in the Pacific, Charlie in Italy.
@@michaelibey6700 Back when the still used Regiments a lot - the branch of the Regiment was always in the name of the unit - for example Custer's Regiment of Cavalry - was known as the 7th Cavalry.
Later on - they began operating in brigades which would have a combination of arms in them such as a mix of infantry, armor and artillery and these just had numbers within the division they were in - which was pretty much 1st Brigade, 2nd Brigade and 3rd Brigade. An exception to that was the WWII Armored divisions which - though they were in fact brigades - they called them Combat Commands - so that they would have CCA, CCB and CCR (R for Reserve). The Regiments still exist, for example they will have 1/5, 2/5 and 3/5 which would be 1st Battalion 5th Marines, 2nd Battalion 5th Marines and 3rd Battalion 5th Marines - but these battalions might be mixed in with other battalions to form Brigades. And thus, the 1st Marine Division is still composed of 1st Marines, 5th Marines, 7th Marines and 11th Marines (the last regiment being artillery) but they tend to operate in brigades with a mixture of battalions in them. The number of battalions in a brigade varies depending on it's tasks but would range from 3 to 5. During WWII and Korea they also formed Task Forces of mixed units which were temporary formations usually named after their commander. Such as Task Force Faith (the CO's last name was Faith) which was destroyed at the Chosin Reservoir in Korea.
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Sledge: How ya doing?
Chuckler: Not gonna lie, I've been better.
Well no shit. They were eating charms.
most people will have no idea what you said
@@bbb462cid but the ones who do
Dunno if they were considered unlucky yet
Steve1989
We’re they considered a curse during WW2 yet ?
My wife and I are Army veterans from the 70’s and we both later used our GI bill to get educations. She took a course from a much older Professor Eugene Sledge at the University of Montevallo thirty years ago. She loved him as a teacher and had no idea he had written a book, which was split into two books. His story has special meaning for us both.
My old man was a War II Marine who retired in 1962. He had a great deal of respect for Puller as well as the First Marine Division. As do I. I got to hear some interesting stories.
One of the best and easily missed true lines in the series; 1st Marines, (my Alma Mater,) comes off the line beat to shit after kicking ass and the fresh bloods tell their brothers, "We got 'em." It's a total throw-away line, but it shows a great part of what makes us different than the other services. They don't take away from the brothers coming off the line. They just take over and get some. Their may be no "I" in team, but there is a personal possession to our responsibility to each other. It's MY Corps. It's OUR fight. "I" got this. I love this series even more than Band of Brothers. They did a good job showing the Esprit de Corps.
Gung Ho, and Semper Fi.
This is an old comment, but in the chance that you see it, thanks for your service. My uncle was a Marine. He did two tours in Iraq.
Worst part about the Peleliu campaign was that for as costly as it was they didn't use the island for anything after they took it as planned
As some commenters point out: Chesty Puller had his detractors. I believe in one text he was referred to as a "butcher" for having an almost callous disregard for lives of his men. Enlisted loved him (still do) but he was (at least in WW2) not seen as a very adept commander."
Mike Edson on the other hand (Edson Range anyone? Rifle Qual?) was seen as equally brave and a much more capable commander than Puller. However, even within USMC History Mike Edson receives significantly fewer accolades than Puller despite also earning 2 Navy Crosses and a Medal of Honor. There's debate as to why this is, but some attribute it to "Red Mike" having committed suicide after the war and such a death being frowned on by the Marine Corp.
The pacific campaign was one of the most difficult campaigns in US history, Terrain, supply, enemy defences im sure Chesty did his best to not throw Marines away but at a certain point theres only one way to "win" and thats moving forward.
@@CmdrMiskyavineYeah. Staying on the beaches was a death sentence. The rapid advance of the marines was needed to get out of the kill zones.
Ironically, Chesty's son was severely wounded as a Marine in Vietnam. Lost both legs and parts of his hands. Chesty was devastated. His son Lewis eventually committed suicide over dealing with his wounds and being crippled. Chesty being who he is in the end was a direct contributor to what destroyed him and his son.
@@trevorcorkeryI’m pretty sure Chesty and his son knew exactly what they were getting themselves into when they joined the marines. They knew the risks. They sacrificed so much in those wars. And veterans deal with physical and mental traumas differently. To some veterans, it is easy. But to others, it is very difficult.
@@MusicFan-qc1ig Of course they knew, but that was the only thing that broke Chesty. Every man has his breaking point. He was criticized for being reckless with his mens' lives in the corp by some too. In the end, it came full circle. I say this without judgment. It an observation of what happened.
This came back to haunt Puller when he was up for becoming a General. There was political infighting over whether he should receive his star. Captain Everett Pope who was awarded the congressional medal of honor for his action on Peleliu is quoted as saying, "The adulation paid him these days sickens me”. Pope as a company commander kept reporting to Puller that the attacks were fruitless and Chesty replied "just keep pushing man....keep pushing". Chesty and Rupertus were relieved along with the first marine division who, through their incompetence, were cut to pieces. They kept refusing reinforcements from the army while sending Marines on near suicidal charges. It wasn't until Marine General Roy Geiger became appalled by Puller's cumulative casualties that he ordered the Army in to relieve the shattered elements of the first Marine division. When it come to Korea do not look to Puller. It was Marine General O.P. Smith's patience and reluctance to adhere to Army general Ned Almond that saved the the first marine division and not Puller.
He was also a rapist. ESPECIALLY in Korea.
@@boomdos4265 i looked up 'chesty puller rape' online(should clear my history soon lol) and can't find anything on that. Where did you get that from?
@@matthewmoore1780 I never heard that. Maybe he took liberties he must have like kimchi
Makes you wonder all the stories about chesty puller , a legend
That is part of marine corps history part of the knowledge learnt in
Bootcamp.
@@boomdos4265 BS... Quit stating lies...
I like how the marines used their helmet covers as shade by letting their back part hang out, pretty clever.
Yep. Get that sun off the backs of their necks.
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I mean the Japanese did the same shit. Not anything different.
@@boomdos4265 Yes they did. You also see troops in the desert do similar things - like those Foreign Legion Kepi's, depending on the time of year. We landed in North Africa in November and were in Sicily if not Italy by the summer so you didn't see as much of that there. I can't recall how the British, Germans and Italians dealt with it ... though I believe some of them, possibly Italians, had sun helmets for some of their personnel. Not sure about that.
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@@BobSmith-dk8nw were you Legion? Thought long and hard jumping ship and joining the Legionnaires who were down the street while I was in the Horn. Figured if they turned me away, I'd be screwed. So never tried it.
@@boomdos4265 Nope. US Marines.
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An unit of worn-out Marines replaced by unit of less worn-out Marines.
The way the Marines have always fought.
0:41 - Every Marine watching this felt that "Semper Fi" ..... It really is a brotherhood.
For real dude.
Tails out, an unintended design aspect of the M-1 helmet cover that really made quite good sense as a field modification for the back of the neck sun screen.
An iconic look in my opinion.
"How are you doin?"
"Well, I forgot my sunscreen but the fighting was fierce and it helps me to stay in shape, fuckhead!"
Is this supposed to be a joke or an insult???
I don't understand this????
@@raymondulrich8993 I was thinking the same.
It's how we would respond to this question lol
Hwoarang Doo San how would you respond to a “how you doing?” When your leg has been blown off
If only marines were this supportive of one another in the modern day.
They aren't supportive now?
I will cry my eyes out uncontrollably, when the last WWII Veteran perishes from this Earth... All those amazing stories of their heroism, all that history gone... But at least when they all arrive in Heaven, they will all tell St. Peter. "One more reporting for duty sir. I've served my time in Hell."
I have made several people go rewatch The Pacific, and everyone got a better understanding and appreciation for the series after seing it a second time.
i didn't bother with it
This is an incredible scene.
The whole goddamn regiment was nearly wiped out due to arrogance and fatal pride. How puller wasn’t relived of his command is a mystery.
I highly reccomend you listen to Jocko podcast #121. 3 hours on puller. I think it will change your mind. He was in a bad spot, no reinforcements and told to attack after suffering %50+ casualties.
@@justjsse8917 true... The real arrogant bastard was the division commander who swore the 1st Marine Division could take the whole island itself. That is until III Amphibious Corps commander overruled him and had the 321st from the Army relieve the 1st Marines...
@@justjsse8917 Maj. Gen. Rupertus
@Evil Mofo No but Eugene Sledgehammer was and he talks about it in his book dumbass
Puller is thought of as being a brave, but not tactically adept man.
They were the 1st Marines, they had just the highest casualty rate of any Marine unit in the whole war after a week on Peleliu.
I love this scene because it feels like a passing of the torch.
This series is based on two books that overlap in their battles; Hell in the Pacific and With The Old Breed. Recommend reading both, and of course the books are better and more detailed
and helmet for my pillow right?
helmet for my pillow, islands of the damned, with the old breed, red blood black sand etc
Helmet For My Pillow and With the Old Breed.
So, some Former soldiers doesnt want to talk with anyone about the war, but others write entire books?
This is weird.
@@Hwoarang300 It's not weird in the slightest. Different people deal with PTSD, guilt, anger, fear and other residual feelings in different ways. Some bottle it up and lash out at others. Some turn to alcohol and substance abuse. Some get therapy. Some find writing about their experiences to be cathartic. The fact that these men and others have all historically had different ways of dealing with the aftermath of war is human nature, going back to ancient times.
"the young boys day dreams is the old man's nightmares"
I love the pacific theatre of war it really was a hard fought victory especially the way the marines had to live. Respect to all the soldiers who died in ww2 to give us our freedom
Why would you love the Pacific theatre of war?!
I hate seeing Chuckler so traumatized💔
Think about them the next time you're having a bad day.
Ah marines getting their asses kicked...thanks! You brightened up my day...
@Pikkabuu.
WTF would a soy boy nu-male who plays warhammer in its mommies basement know about?
A new pussy hat would brighten your day FFS.
More than a meatheaded thug whose ass rides in navy equipment.
why? these actors seemed to have had a fine shoot
Thanks David..
Truth.
I try to find proper perspective when my cell signal drops or waiting in line at grocery and I get pissy
Great comment. Dose of reality..
This scene and this episode just outstanding depicting what those Lads went through on that Island nothing but the utmost respect to all those Marines
Beautiful Scene
Damn Jurassic Park really took a toll on him...
Wait is that the little boy from the orignal jurrasic park ?
@@downtown9813 Yes.
Dang i remember seeing that movie when i was a kid..smh time flies way to quick
Efrafa | I knew that face is familiar...
That's okay Chuckles goes on to get beaten up by Jack Reacher, he also kidnaps Wolverine.
Imagine the two raptors in Jurassic park showed up to the guy who play Eugene
im so glad im not the only one who knew about this
Oh shit. Thought I recognized that kid but had no idea it was him xD
Facing an enemy that never knew surrender was an option.
They knew, but they would rather die fighting than surrender and be a coward.
(Not my opinion, but the Japanese military protocol at the time)
Am I the only one that liked this show better than Band of Brothers?
They're different ... I like steak and I also like ice cream.
I was a FFG sailor. We docked next to the USS Lewis B. Puller in San Diego all the time. Pier 1 at 32nd Street NavSta.
When you're coming into work during a shift change.
This series was so excellent that I think they should do another about those sections that werent mentioned in this like Tarawa, Eniweitok and Tinian after which the big bombers had a base from which they could strike at Japan.
God forbid we do something on the Landings in Italy.
Someone give the Big Red 1 some love for the love of god!
I feel that but the Italian campaign should definitely be done by Spielberg and hanks, but they are already doing one on the army Air Force in Europe.
this scene is the most unforgettable to me. the lame and defeated 1 st marine recalls all the hardships they have been through and how brace they have been .
The First wasn't defeated. It was just someone else's turn. They needed a rest.
No family connection, but go get em 1st Marines
Interesting contrast with how the two units met each other on Guadalcanal.
The 1st marine regiment was the first to see the Hell of the Peleliu hills and it costed them a lot of Lives the battle of peleliu costed a lot of Marines of lives and the most annoying thing yet the unfairness part of it that the island was never used for any future military operations now that is a waste young men's lives.
Yes Pelilui was stupid
You can say it afterwards. Situation could be different.
Happy 244th Birthday to my Marines, past and present! Semper Fi!
In war, men are all of the same color. Either blood red and/or dirt brown.
Underrated comment, even if it is brand new. Simply poetic. Nice job.
i like how jar head put it better
YOU ARE GREEN
“What kind of a man walks into a field of fire?!”
Greatest generation ever no words needed the scene says and shows it all gave me chills what those young Marines did on those Islands against that tyrannical enemy will never be forgotten by this Lad Semper Fi
Tyrannical? Not any different than the U.S. it's all perspective.
"Marines never leave their wounded". Semper FI boys.
My dad knew Puller on Okinawa after the war in 55. He said the man couldn't take not being in combat and he was "a crazy son of a bitch"
My dad quoted him once as saying that he would get a truck full of dog tags just to get a MOH
SoKawaiiGrill he was awarded 5 navy crosses tho. He was aggressive and inspired his men. War is hell. Id much rather follow him into combat then someone to afraid or hesitant to be aggressive. That's far worse in my opinion.
@@justjsse8917 Nah. dude threw men needlessly through a meat grinder. I'd rather NOT follow him. especially since you aint fucking "FOLLOWING him" He knows he'll survive.
That's how he got his navcrosses. Probably 1000 good dead men per.
Seeing Chesty would have motivated the fuck out of me, in that situation
I cry when sledgehammer cry in his father's arms.
Yep, gets me every time too!
I just finished reading E.B. Sledge's With the Old Breed and let me tell you, "hey, how you doin" is a fucking travesty attempt of retelling the real dialogue which Sledge and his war buddies shared while on Peleliu.
To be fair, Chuckler wasn’t really his buddy. The show just used Sledge to show the audience Chuckler’s condition, since he was the only named character from the original 1st marines still fighting that we saw in the show in episode 1.
"You're up boys."
He who controls the skies controls the battlefield
That little blink from chuckler says so much, I think: "It's been bad but I'll make it."
Peleliu is a nice looking island nowadays, with great shark diving off it. But, yeah, there is quite a lot of Japanese bunkers to be seen around the island. Much more than in the rest of Palau.
Not to mention it's still riddled with artillery and empty shells, it's a pretty cool place to go if you can.
Leading charge after charge was a legacy tactic of earlier wars and it was considered legitimate. This was before we knew of air-land battle and how to really use close air support- though that was beginning. You have to judge Chesty Puller in the context of the education and guidance that he received.
Required viewing by all high school students. Semper Fi!
Donald Smith Why mandatory?
Aegis it’s not.
Grimm Fandango Well, that's good
That war turned boys into monsters, not men.
Wurmo oh stop it was called hard times. Hard times breed strong men, strong men breed good times, good times breed weak men, and weak men breed hard times. The hard times are coming.
"Men are dirty... rifles are clean."
FIL was with Puller, got a purple heart there and another on Okinawa later. His assessment of Puller was "He was always 'hi diddle diddle, right up th' middle.' Got results but we knew he would cost us."
Freddy mercury and john deacon
Before they were famous
shut the fuck up
@@AverageJoe___ Freddie Mercury and John Deacon.
Coming out of a heavy combat zone but keeping your rifle clean. That’s soldering.
slightly off topic but
my great grandfather captained a landing craft at point du hoq on D day ~ " soldiers sprinkling off the cliff constantly "
Man, when his buddy is on that stretcher and is so shook he can barely acknowledge his friend...you get the feel for the s*** they had just survived.
Goodnight Chesty, where ever you are!
when you almost got hit by a mortar but you're rifle is still not cracked open : *happy marine noises*
Something I like about this scene is that the marines leaving aren't even showing themselves in misery of course they look like hell but they put on a strong exterior and how they just pass each other stuff like with the cigarettes and how they were kinda like a tag team pumping up the ones going in
The men who gave away their cigarettes, thought that they were going to die.
Bro, we make fun of old people today. Little do we realize that they’ve seen more hell than we can possibly imagine.
We make fun of boomers, these boys are the greatest generation
Im no soldier..but i cant help remembering the campain from COD world at war. its probaly the closest thing to jungle combat i will ever have and i am thankfull for that. war may seems heroic from the outside but in the end...people will die. they will struggle so they will stay alive,they will suffer through mud,shit and blood while everything around them went to hell until it takes them with it or leave them behindes scared for the rest of their life.
God I wish they still made games like waw..
Thank you for ur service
I love that this is what burnt toast ended up doing with his life.
As was said so we'll ... " Uncommon valor was a common virtue ". These men set a high mark for the word hero.
Had watched The Pacific for quite long ago and here waiting comments 'who's here after Bohemian Rhapsody' for those who came because of Joseph Mazzello.
Thank "god" it hasn't happened because those idiots that do won't watch something like this
I work 2nd shift and this is how I feel like when I get to work and first shift is leaving.
Lmao
I see the future of Eugene to be the bassist of Queen
This stopped being funny one year ago...
(And The Pacific is a true story, unlike Bohemian Rhapsody)
sorry tim no dinosaurs here
Those guys are badasses
"How ya doin?"
-Yeah
Kinda get that feeling
I wouldnt even like to make eye contact if a group was about to go to battle. It's like seeing dead people walking. Living ghosts.
Chesty is an absolute legend. What a man.
The man failed to adapt to modern war, and was too arrogant and conceited for his or his men's good. So many men died because of him
@@Peoples_Republic_of_Devonshire Two types of people blindly see Chesty in a good light: boot Marines who are TOLD to view him that way even now. Middle aged old white men who never served, but have a passing interest in so-called "Military-history" and think he's some sort of hero.
My Grandfather would land the Marines on the beaches throughout the island hopping campaign. After awhile he learned to protect himself mentally by never making friends with the Marines.
When I was in the Marine Corps in the 80's Chesty Puller's name invocation was met with the tipping of the hat.
This scene was very well done. I think alot of people can relate to similar situations
Yes alot of people can relate to warfare on a tropical Island. laid out on a stretcher unable to speak going through the daily stress and yet boredom that accompanies warfare especially the South Pacific 1940s. Sure. What they went through is similar to what everyone else goes through right?
Wish we saw more of chesty
Do I smell a got damn Charm? (0:38) /Sgt Brad Colbert
Is it true that it took four months longer than anticipated to take Peleliu? Why take it in the first place of it had no strategic value?
It took 2 and a half months, but yes, the commander of the 1st Marine Division boasted that he would take the island in a matter of days. The idea was that taking Peleliu would secure MacArthur's flank for his invasion of the Philippines. However, days before the operation, Admiral Halsey sent a report to Admiral Nimitz that Leyte had no defenses, and that he should cancel his operation and divert the Marines to MacArthur's command. For reasons that are still unclear to everyone, Nimitz went ahead with the attack on Peleliu anyways - so your guess is as good as mine.
chesty puller was the best, he wore 5 navy crosses upon his chest. best cadence
Yeah. 1st Marines got chopped up pretty bad.
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I pray that in the madness we face today that it dose not lead to another war such as either the first or Second World War
What sucks it’s that now it’s gonna be worse since we have explosives far more brutal than before
The more you think about only two generations ago that youths were shipped off to Europe and the pacific to fight a war they probably had no clue was fought over. Crazy how this moulded men to be the hard men they were right up to their deaths. Incredible really. And now for them to see youths being soft as they are in all their ignorance. But that begs the question as well is that what they fought for?.
0:39 lifesaver LOL
it's funny that actor is the whinny shouting kid from the 1st Jurassic park movie 1997.
1993.
And later he formed a band with Freddie Mercury.
@RollandB no, the actor that plays Sledge plays John Deacon in the movie.
@RollandB of course. Rami malek
Great scene 👍hang on, guys
This scene shows you that masculinity is not for women to define, and its far from toxic.
Like him or not chesty is a legend
I knew a Marine who did this...great man
Reminds me of my time in the navy serving under Capt Crunch...I'd follow that fucker anywhere...semper fi
This mini series really deviated from the good stuff in the books it was based on. They did the survivors a disservice by glossing over the disillusion they went through. The intensity of what you read about in the books by Sledge and Leckie just isnt portrayed on film.
William Eaton to me the series felt too rushed
William Eaton and only like 50% of what Eugene Sledge talked about in his book is in the show
@@crazyhippo9931 yo, they're budget limited at 200M. had HBO pushed that up to 350M I think they would extended this into a 15- hour show and possibly cover 70% of With the Old Breed.
Should have glossed over the worthless romantic interests throughout the series too...
I actually bought a set of P41s from the company that made the uniforms for this show. The quality us amazing, they're almost identical to originals
Such a good series.
One has to admit the Japanese were good fighters, they don't have the logistics supply lines to back themselves up.
War is hell! Lest we forget.
Nah , if they were good fighters they would have taken Guadalcanal with no problems , they were courageously stupid.
A large part of this had been due to the increase in resistance and stubbornness by the Japanese Empire.