i already mentioned this elsewhere about the voice acting of the originals, but i swear there is also an interview with one of the actors saying it was odd working with the JP voice director. the VAs tried to deliver the lines in a way that made sense to the context they were given. and the director wasnt having it any way but his own. i THINK it was James' voice actor, Guy Cihi, who said this.
The answer is every single fanbase has toxic members of the community who do this. There is no worst fanbase, all fanbases just have that toxic fandom built in to some degree.
yeah... to be honest the only fnabase i'd argue as "actually the worst" is genshin, merely because unlike other fanbaseds they ACTUALLY went out of not only their fanbase but also of the medium to bother other opeople nad companies for things they didn't like in their game(i.e. the first annyversary fiasco) every other fanbase... it's just fanbases being fanbases. would be interesting to hear more about what made the fanbase what it is though, same goes for other "black sheep fanbases", like for example SMT fanbase
I gotta say, I was very skeptical of the Bloober Team remake. After the combat trailer, I felt that they were going to focus on action and go for a more RE2 Remake style. Combine that with not really being a fan of Layers of Fear or that Blair Witch game gave me some pretty low expectations. Now, having gone through the SH2 remake multiple times now, I'm absolutely loving it! I'm currently running through my last playthrough to grab the platinum trophy! Bloober couldn't have done a better job!
Thing about RE2R not having or elaborating on all the small details of the original versus Silent Hill 2 Remake adding far more world details than the original: Firstly, Silent Hill 2 Remake released five years after RE2R. Half a decade, plus a new console generation makes a big difference. Secondly, RE2 used pre-rendered backdrops where Silent Hill 2 rendered the environments in real-time. RE2R's rendering is far beyond what was done for the original's pre-rendered backgrounds but it has to run in real time and so fitting in each detail is harder, especially when you have a colossally high bar for visual fidelity in comparison. Silent Hill 2 could only fit in details possible on a PS2 in real-time, so it's easier to beat in terms of small details within the game world. A better comparison would be RE4R since it released only last year and the original was also limited by hardware for the graphical fidelity its world space. Also both are remakes that turned out amazing despite the apprehension of some fans.
Lots of great points. However, I do think the fan disappointment with the HD ports of SH2 and SH3 is justified. Yes, the Comic Sans sign is an overblown thing and not a huge deal even if it does show a lack of attention to detail on the part of the devs. The dev team that put together the HD ports were hugely inexperienced and somebody on the team even said they were shocked when the final build was approved for release by Konami. It was a disaster for multiple reasons. True that all the problems may not have been noticeable to new players, but that doesn't mean they aren't terrible ports. The voice acting was changed for seemingly no reason whatsoever, and in the case of SH3 the original voices aren't even available as an option. Not a great way to experience SH3. As a side note, SH1 and 3 are amazing games. 3 is a little absurd and frustrating with all its aggressive enemies on first playthrough, but it gets a lot more fun on repeat playthroughs. And I have full confidence that in the right hands, a remake of 1 could easily be a better, scarier, more memorable game than even SH2 Remake (which was very, very good).
I dont think the fanbase is as split as it seems. I think the loudest ones are usually minority and I also think social media is boosting controversy for engagement. The truth is that I think the majority of players were cautiously optimistic the whole time.
Okay, I thought I was crazy seeing all of the hate and not understanding why. I love the original and the remake for different reasons. Some things I like better in the original, some things I like in the remake. It's possible to like both...
i loved the original back in the day and appreciate the impact it had on the horror genre! I def think it deserves this remake especially with how far videogames have come since then! also if you're ever looking for another horror game that has a great narrative imo I'd recommend the fatal frame series. I've always wanted to see a boundary break on those games and they finally released the 4th game outside of Japan a few years ago! I'd be interested in hearing your take on the DS version that was an unfortunate flop
Regarding extra stuff that Resident Evil 2 did not have in the background but this does, remember you are comparing X1/PS4 to PS5 so they have much more power to work with
I just can't deal with it being over-the-shoulder 3rd person. It removes so much of unique feeling and scares of the original. I think it's a waste that they didn't do anything interesting with that instead.
i think the angela thing really sticks with me because of how bad i am at recognizing faces irl i have trouble looking people in the eye for some reason, instinctually i want to instantly avert my eyes when looked at because of this, im really bad at seeing faces for long enough to memorize them correctly, i think. i feel a little bad about this sometimes. i always have been able to look at video game characters, but the grittier more realistic ones gave me similar trouble often. possibly due to lack of interest in them? recognizing more realistic looking human faces is a very unique feeling i think. this might just be me being weird, but, it means a lot to me. it feels very significant. i recognize most of the characters okay! i only get the FULL rush of recognition with mary/maria for some reason with eddie the rush of recognition happens halfway and feels like i was mistaken maybe i have no rush of recognition for angela at all so i feel a little sad. new scenes kinda interest me! based on source material? or cut content? i feel apprehensive but hopeful. the idea to stilt the dialogue on purpose in certain key moments sounds FANTASTIC, what a cool idea and compromise! execution of the ideas is vital, but i wanna be hopeful (but not so hopeful i am unrealistic with too high expectations) hehe shortcut door toggle in the options menu tho pls (i am insane and enjoy suffering 🥲 ) more detail sounds great too. environmental design and storytelling is sooo cool (i unironically love staring at walls! i mean it!!!) well, my backlog is really really massive, so new games tend to get washed away down the line for a long time lol but im glad it sounds like this isnt bad as the hearsay. rumors are pretty scary i guess... tho i still miss angela's cheekbones😔 hehe
I'm just gonna say that I hope to see Silent Hill 2 Remake on the Next Switch, and in the meantime I also hope to see Silent Hill 2 HD on the current Switch as part of a Master Collection alongside Silent Hill 1 PS1 and Silent Hill 3 HD. At the moment, there is no Silent Hill on Nintendo Switch, I want to see that fact changed. And if there can be 2 versions of Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater on the same systems at the same time, why not two versions of Silent Hill 2? Just to clarify, I'm just someone who wants to see as much historical representation as possible on the current Nintendo Switch. Over the years, we've seen many legacy titles come to Nintendo Switch in one form or another. 5 years ago, how many people could have realistically expected to see Metal Gear Solid, Marvel Vs. Capcom, Red Dead Redemption, Persona, and Portal all actually happen on Switch? I am grateful to have almost everything I could ever want on Nintendo Switch. However, there are still a few holes in the selection that could realistically still be filled before the focus shifts entirely to the Next Switch, with Silent Hill and Tekken being among the biggest ones that can be filled within reason.
Dude, those remasters are terrible, what in the world are you talking about? They crash a lot, the sound effects are all mixed up, the games run way slower than the originals, and have a myriad of other bugs. Stuff like the Comic Sans font change is funny but really they are really bad ports!
@@ShesezTheNews Interesting… but now I have to wonder. If Konami worked out the issues in the Xbox One port, how come they didn’t give Silent Hill a full Master Collection like they did with the Metal Gear series? Very odd that they’d miss out on capitalizing on the hype behind the remake like that.
You can find the PC version of the original Silent Hill 2 for free online and use a fan mod to basically make it the definitive version. It takes more setup and a decent PC, but it's vastly preferable to what Konami has put out in regards to the HD collection. As for the remake, it's an okay modern rework of the original game but I don't see it as the definitive or best version of SH2 personally. Just glad it was a decent game and better than Bloober's previous output.
I never bought a copy of the HD Collection cause i heard was that the game was a buggy mess, cause Konami had to go back to a previous build of the games cause they lost the release build of the game and only upscaled everything to HD and hired new Voice Actors.
What happened was Konami did not preserve the final build of the game, so they made a totally new team work with an unfinished older build that they simply couldn't get working right. They expected Konami to reject it, they didn't, and on top of it they recorded new VA work with different actors because they had pay disputes with some of the OG SH2 cast and wanted to try phasing them out. I'm not sure why they completely gutted the OG VA work for SH3 though, the HD collection is a very strange mess.
People just jump to conclusions right away after seeing a trailer. I just tune it off now. We forget that games that look great have been utter messes like Watch Dogs and Cyberpunk (at least at launch). Plus as game devs, we learn through every game we make. While The Medium was very flawed, you could still see the makings of a great team. They're just gonna get better too (unless they have corporate interference)
No offense but, Bloober did also make bad games before SH2 remake so many were justified in feeling skeptical. Like yes obviously many people take it too far, that's unfortunately how the Internet is, but if someone told me leading up to release "I don't really have faith in this" I wouldn't be shocked. lol
@@Hi_Just_Fred definitely. But we get a lot of stinkers from good studios nowadays so I just dont get hyped for games until it comes out. Not having time to play all of them helps too lol i can just wait and see how they turn out!
Im down for the remake and your not lying about the fan base I've had a little run in with some of em and those dweebs jumped down my throat because i said silent hill is based on Centralia Pennsylvania i guess i was spreading misinformation its a f-ing game its not like i was saying ww2 never happened anywho movie lore different from game lore but why did the developers allow it to be said on the making of movie 2 turn around and say nope years later when they were part of the movie anyway the dweebs almost got me to stop watching or playing ever again games are just better with REAL LIFE PLACES instead of YOUR OWN HELL trope
While I do think some get hostile about certain things, I found this comment a bit rambly. Team Silent had no say in how the movie handled the IP, Konami are who approved it. However if you only know the movie and use movie information to retroactively speak on the games then yes it is misinformation and it'd be better to look up information on the games to make sure you're saying stuff that makes sense. In the case of "Real place" being better than "personal hell" that's more a preference, and in the games yes Silent Hill had some nods and information to where it was geographically. The film makers set it in their own real world location to easily explain the fog in the series for it's interpretation. Also movie differences like that are very common for adaptations. For example if I just tried telling people what Resident Evil or Hellboy was based on the films there'd be a lot of things that don't line up with the original source material at all because film makers usually like to take their own spin on it.
i dont consider it a must buy, the remaster on ps3 is inferior so there really isnt an ideal way to play a better version of the original easily. The remake is for new fans.
as a fan who never got to play the original game but watched my cousin and brother play it all the time i enjoyed the remake. theres a modded version of SH2 for PC called SH2: Enhanced Edition. which fixes issues in the original game and upscales the textures. If you are into those type of things.
@@jeremywc3576 Fans having to make a definitive version of SH2 while all konami cares to do is pump out a botched port with an unfinished build or have a totally different team remake it into something pretty different is unfortunately not an ideal substitute to having a good official port of the original.
I will say I disagree that James was always meant to be "like able" And though you don't like SH1 the protagonist from that game Harry Mason fits that description far better than James. Without getting into spoilers, I don't think it's a stretch to say James being a character that players aren't meant to feel comfortable playing as feeds into the ending reveal of what he did and why he's being haunted by the town. I think if James was meant to be more likeable and "everyman" it would diminish his character and personally I do feel that's the case with his character here in the remake where he's generally reworked to, yes, be more of that mold for the most part. He feels a bit less distinct to me, and more like a blander take that's mainly carried by a good VA performance.
You don't think so? SPOILERS Ge helps a little girl. Talks down manic people gently. And throughout the game seemingly wants to find his wife because he's dedicated. I feel like finding out what he did is intentional contrast to all of that.
@@ShesezTheNews for Laura they both start off very antagonistic and remain hostile until much later in the game, like how he snaps at her when she challenges his perception of Mary and what happened. And only after understanding Laura's relationship to Mary does he truly start to open up to her and even then he ONLY accepts the responsibility of caring for her like Mary wanted in one of many possible endings. So personally it felt less like "He cares for her" and more "He doesn't understand why she cares about Mary, until he comes to terms with and accepts the reality rather than whatever version of events he constructed in his mind out of grief." Harry Mason's entire motivation by contrast is finding his daughter, so again that trait feels much more accurate to him than James who doesn't seem like someone put together enough himself to care for others. As for him gently talking people down, that's not as prominent to me with Eddie or Angela as for me he mainly gives off the vibe of being uncomfortable around other people with their own issues. James isn't really a therapist or super sympathetic towards them, he merely engaged with Angela and Eddie in questioning manners trying to get information he's seeking because he's pursuing the hopeless idea Mary is alive and waiting for him purely out of a delusion that she reached out to him when in his mind James already knows and even addresses the fact he doesn't actually believe Mary is alive he's just desperate hoping he'll either get someone to fill that void (like Maria) or be absolved of his guilt by the end. James is a person who's far too troubled himself to ever hope to comfort anyone, and even in moments where he could potentially be offering that like the staircase scene with Angela he doesn't truly offer that. When Angela basically turns the idea of suicide back on him he dismisses it like "No, I could never kill myself..." despite one ending being exactly that. I think James is intentionally written in a way to show that he's not that positive or supportive person, and this feeds into the reason he killed Mary not simply to put her out of her misery but also because he wanted his life back. James is remorseful, and he isn't an awful person, but he is not good or likeable. I like him and he's my favorite protagonist for all these reasons, because it's so rare you get a character like James who isn't a clear cut good person who's fully absolved of his wrong doings just because he's the protagonist. And I feel some aspects of him in the remake diminish that unique quality he has.
silent hill 2 ps2 is one of the best titles on the system. I for one will not be buying the remake bc you can see the activism in the character design. I'm not one of those who hates the hd versions bc they are ports not remakes and they make it easy to play w/o buying a ps2 or emulating. It's remakes in general that I hate, I think the games should be ported to new systems as close to the original work of art as possible. Also who tf can afford to keep buying the new console every few years?
@@Hi_Just_Fred yea activism. They changed marias skimpy outfit to cover her up more and made angela look frumpy. Femminist activism. Id be suprised if they didnt hire someone like sweet baby inc to make it "less problematic for modern audiences"
@@JasonSpanhurah... Well, I appreciate you didn't just say it was "woke" then lol But still I kinda disagree honestly with that part, I do think it's less about feminism and more just a "companies don't want to take the risk" in regards to Maria's design. (Though they did put her original outfit in the game to find so they acknowledge that yes her outfit was changed and don't pretend they didn't.) As for angela I do think they changed it just to make her look younger physically, less so about feminism. Regardless, I agree with the sentiments in the rest of your comment about good quality accessible ports of the original games being a bigger priority than remakes or remasters aiming to change a lot. At the very least having options to disable changes, like turning on original graphics instead of only using the new ones or swapping between new and old voice acting is a far better approach.
Im not one of those rabbid fans who think Silent Hills 2 is unplayable for the HD remaster but in terms of the ps3 version Silent Hill 3 definetly is, with its myriad of bugs and animation errors. They also force the new voice cast on you with that one, so it certainly isnt ideal. The 360 version I think performs alot better.
Nah those graphics were awful and the story telling was 1:1 for James but missing the Table Daddy fight and Maria’s story is very important and was overlooked in the Remake. The music felt disconnected. I was very let down with this remake. It definitely felt like a resident evil
i completely disagree. graphics are fine with some issues that comes with the engine. the angela story wasn't missing and marias story was hinted but (not confirmed) could possibly become a DLC. how was the music disconnected? because the original composer added a modern twist to the sound? also felt like a resident evil? elaborate game play or visually? on separate note how does james look like leon? cause they have similar hair color? every visual design is different including the combat style.
@@jeremywc3576 I wanted to like the graphics so bad but the two pyramid head scene is just so bad. The blood that trickles down Maria’s face. It’s really not good. I honestly think the Remastered looked more appropriate and what’s up with Laura’s face???
@@Dariothehungry it didn’t look like it to me? It looked like the Maria boss monster instead of the Abstract Daddy, the room itself is even different. The room with abstract daddy was fleshy and far more terrifying than just a dark otherworld zone
or he absorbed the game with no pre conceived expectations. those who think its still bad are the ones who definitely took the negativity and let that take away the good experience with the remake. i never played the original but i didn't let bias ruin my experience with the game. the only issues with the game is performance and visuals cause thats an unreal engine issue. and no James doesn't look like a Leon clone.
@@jeremywc3576I don't think you can have bias if you never played the original? Personally the remake is a fine reinterpretation of the original but I do wish the company behind the series actually did better to preserve the original game in a GOOD state and not a botched port working of an unfinished build. The PC version can be found for free at least since they've totally abandoned it, and fans have worked on mods to improve it into a truly definitive version of the game. But it really shouldn't be the community's responsibility to do that, and given the quality of every other silent hill project konami has put out recently I don't think it's THAT extreme for many fans to still not be sold and have concerns on how Konami handles the series going forward. It's a lot more than mere bias, it's a history of bad practices from the publisher.
Angela was not made to pander. I’m so sick of people complaining about games being woke. If people don’t enjoy games anymore then don’t play them. Anyways game is great
It was a small part of your video so I won't dwell but I'd argue that making a character deliberate attractive is the pandering you're talking about. We've moved past that and into the realm of normal art design rather than catering to horny teenagers. My opinion to all this is that if you're that bothered by a character's design that it affects your feelings about the game then that is a design issue and you shouldn't play that game. Plenty of games I won't touch due to design issues or the views of the creators, I just move on and play something else.
Bloober Team did a great job. I certainly had reservations early on, but once the 2nd trailer dropped, I was convinced they were listening to feedback and improving. It's still not "perfect", but nothing ever will be, not even the original game that people have idolized in their minds.
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i already mentioned this elsewhere about the voice acting of the originals, but i swear there is
also an interview with one of the actors saying it was odd working with the JP voice director.
the VAs tried to deliver the lines in a way that made sense to the context they were given.
and the director wasnt having it any way but his own.
i THINK it was James' voice actor, Guy Cihi, who said this.
How could you say Silent Hill has the worst fanbase when Pokemon fans are doxxing devs and writers rn😭
Silent Hill fans targeted and harassed individual developers behind the HD collection if I recall. Comparable a bit.
The answer is every single fanbase has toxic members of the community who do this.
There is no worst fanbase, all fanbases just have that toxic fandom built in to some degree.
yeah... to be honest the only fnabase i'd argue as "actually the worst" is genshin, merely because unlike other fanbaseds they ACTUALLY went out of not only their fanbase but also of the medium to bother other opeople nad companies for things they didn't like in their game(i.e. the first annyversary fiasco)
every other fanbase... it's just fanbases being fanbases.
would be interesting to hear more about what made the fanbase what it is though, same goes for other "black sheep fanbases", like for example SMT fanbase
I cannot wait for the boundary break on this
I gotta say, I was very skeptical of the Bloober Team remake. After the combat trailer, I felt that they were going to focus on action and go for a more RE2 Remake style. Combine that with not really being a fan of Layers of Fear or that Blair Witch game gave me some pretty low expectations. Now, having gone through the SH2 remake multiple times now, I'm absolutely loving it! I'm currently running through my last playthrough to grab the platinum trophy! Bloober couldn't have done a better job!
Thing about RE2R not having or elaborating on all the small details of the original versus Silent Hill 2 Remake adding far more world details than the original:
Firstly, Silent Hill 2 Remake released five years after RE2R. Half a decade, plus a new console generation makes a big difference. Secondly, RE2 used pre-rendered backdrops where Silent Hill 2 rendered the environments in real-time. RE2R's rendering is far beyond what was done for the original's pre-rendered backgrounds but it has to run in real time and so fitting in each detail is harder, especially when you have a colossally high bar for visual fidelity in comparison. Silent Hill 2 could only fit in details possible on a PS2 in real-time, so it's easier to beat in terms of small details within the game world.
A better comparison would be RE4R since it released only last year and the original was also limited by hardware for the graphical fidelity its world space. Also both are remakes that turned out amazing despite the apprehension of some fans.
Lots of great points. However, I do think the fan disappointment with the HD ports of SH2 and SH3 is justified. Yes, the Comic Sans sign is an overblown thing and not a huge deal even if it does show a lack of attention to detail on the part of the devs. The dev team that put together the HD ports were hugely inexperienced and somebody on the team even said they were shocked when the final build was approved for release by Konami. It was a disaster for multiple reasons. True that all the problems may not have been noticeable to new players, but that doesn't mean they aren't terrible ports. The voice acting was changed for seemingly no reason whatsoever, and in the case of SH3 the original voices aren't even available as an option. Not a great way to experience SH3.
As a side note, SH1 and 3 are amazing games. 3 is a little absurd and frustrating with all its aggressive enemies on first playthrough, but it gets a lot more fun on repeat playthroughs. And I have full confidence that in the right hands, a remake of 1 could easily be a better, scarier, more memorable game than even SH2 Remake (which was very, very good).
I dont think the fanbase is as split as it seems. I think the loudest ones are usually minority and I also think social media is boosting controversy for engagement.
The truth is that I think the majority of players were cautiously optimistic the whole time.
Okay, I thought I was crazy seeing all of the hate and not understanding why. I love the original and the remake for different reasons. Some things I like better in the original, some things I like in the remake. It's possible to like both...
Great video! Thanks for making it :)
Glad you liked it!
i loved the original back in the day and appreciate the impact it had on the horror genre! I def think it deserves this remake especially with how far videogames have come since then!
also if you're ever looking for another horror game that has a great narrative imo I'd recommend the fatal frame series. I've always wanted to see a boundary break on those games and they finally released the 4th game outside of Japan a few years ago! I'd be interested in hearing your take on the DS version that was an unfortunate flop
Regarding extra stuff that Resident Evil 2 did not have in the background but this does, remember you are comparing X1/PS4 to PS5 so they have much more power to work with
I just can't deal with it being over-the-shoulder 3rd person. It removes so much of unique feeling and scares of the original. I think it's a waste that they didn't do anything interesting with that instead.
This doesn't seem to be the same as the Final Fantasy VII Remake where the entire story was rewritten with a total game rework.
I refuse to pay for idiological censorship.
i think the angela thing really sticks with me because of how bad i am at recognizing faces irl
i have trouble looking people in the eye for some reason, instinctually i want to instantly avert my eyes when looked at
because of this, im really bad at seeing faces for long enough to memorize them correctly, i think. i feel a little bad about this sometimes.
i always have been able to look at video game characters, but the grittier more realistic ones gave me similar trouble often. possibly due to lack of interest in them?
recognizing more realistic looking human faces is a very unique feeling i think. this might just be me being weird, but, it means a lot to me. it feels very significant.
i recognize most of the characters okay! i only get the FULL rush of recognition with mary/maria for some reason
with eddie the rush of recognition happens halfway and feels like i was mistaken maybe
i have no rush of recognition for angela at all so i feel a little sad.
new scenes kinda interest me! based on source material? or cut content? i feel apprehensive but hopeful.
the idea to stilt the dialogue on purpose in certain key moments sounds FANTASTIC, what a cool idea and compromise!
execution of the ideas is vital, but i wanna be hopeful (but not so hopeful i am unrealistic with too high expectations)
hehe shortcut door toggle in the options menu tho pls (i am insane and enjoy suffering 🥲 )
more detail sounds great too. environmental design and storytelling is sooo cool (i unironically love staring at walls! i mean it!!!)
well, my backlog is really really massive, so new games tend to get washed away down the line for a long time lol
but im glad it sounds like this isnt bad as the hearsay. rumors are pretty scary i guess... tho i still miss angela's cheekbones😔
hehe
I'm just gonna say that I hope to see Silent Hill 2 Remake on the Next Switch, and in the meantime I also hope to see Silent Hill 2 HD on the current Switch as part of a Master Collection alongside Silent Hill 1 PS1 and Silent Hill 3 HD. At the moment, there is no Silent Hill on Nintendo Switch, I want to see that fact changed. And if there can be 2 versions of Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater on the same systems at the same time, why not two versions of Silent Hill 2?
Just to clarify, I'm just someone who wants to see as much historical representation as possible on the current Nintendo Switch. Over the years, we've seen many legacy titles come to Nintendo Switch in one form or another. 5 years ago, how many people could have realistically expected to see Metal Gear Solid, Marvel Vs. Capcom, Red Dead Redemption, Persona, and Portal all actually happen on Switch? I am grateful to have almost everything I could ever want on Nintendo Switch. However, there are still a few holes in the selection that could realistically still be filled before the focus shifts entirely to the Next Switch, with Silent Hill and Tekken being among the biggest ones that can be filled within reason.
Dude, those remasters are terrible, what in the world are you talking about?
They crash a lot, the sound effects are all mixed up, the games run way slower than the originals, and have a myriad of other bugs. Stuff like the Comic Sans font change is funny but really they are really bad ports!
From what people are saying the Xbox One digital download version worked all that stuff out
@@ShesezTheNews Interesting… but now I have to wonder. If Konami worked out the issues in the Xbox One port, how come they didn’t give Silent Hill a full Master Collection like they did with the Metal Gear series? Very odd that they’d miss out on capitalizing on the hype behind the remake like that.
You can find the PC version of the original Silent Hill 2 for free online and use a fan mod to basically make it the definitive version.
It takes more setup and a decent PC, but it's vastly preferable to what Konami has put out in regards to the HD collection.
As for the remake, it's an okay modern rework of the original game but I don't see it as the definitive or best version of SH2 personally. Just glad it was a decent game and better than Bloober's previous output.
@@Hi_Just_Fred you can play it on an XP era hardware just don't recommend using the XP OS
I have it for my low-end Chromebook but even that's considered op for that even with the mods
I never bought a copy of the HD Collection cause i heard was that the game was a buggy mess, cause Konami had to go back to a previous build of the games cause they lost the release build of the game and only upscaled everything to HD and hired new Voice Actors.
What happened was Konami did not preserve the final build of the game, so they made a totally new team work with an unfinished older build that they simply couldn't get working right. They expected Konami to reject it, they didn't, and on top of it they recorded new VA work with different actors because they had pay disputes with some of the OG SH2 cast and wanted to try phasing them out. I'm not sure why they completely gutted the OG VA work for SH3 though, the HD collection is a very strange mess.
@@Hi_Just_Fred that's pretty much what I said they released on an older build cause the finished product wasn't available anymore
People just jump to conclusions right away after seeing a trailer. I just tune it off now. We forget that games that look great have been utter messes like Watch Dogs and Cyberpunk (at least at launch).
Plus as game devs, we learn through every game we make. While The Medium was very flawed, you could still see the makings of a great team. They're just gonna get better too (unless they have corporate interference)
Most people had ulterior motives bashing the remake that were completely gaming unrelated. It's a bunch of sad losers.
No offense but, Bloober did also make bad games before SH2 remake so many were justified in feeling skeptical.
Like yes obviously many people take it too far, that's unfortunately how the Internet is, but if someone told me leading up to release "I don't really have faith in this" I wouldn't be shocked. lol
@@Hi_Just_Fred definitely. But we get a lot of stinkers from good studios nowadays so I just dont get hyped for games until it comes out. Not having time to play all of them helps too lol i can just wait and see how they turn out!
@@robinnewhouse1563 no, they literally didn't
Im down for the remake and your not lying about the fan base I've had a little run in with some of em and those dweebs jumped down my throat because i said silent hill is based on Centralia Pennsylvania i guess i was spreading misinformation its a f-ing game its not like i was saying ww2 never happened anywho movie lore different from game lore but why did the developers allow it to be said on the making of movie 2 turn around and say nope years later when they were part of the movie anyway the dweebs almost got me to stop watching or playing ever again games are just better with REAL LIFE PLACES instead of YOUR OWN HELL trope
While I do think some get hostile about certain things, I found this comment a bit rambly.
Team Silent had no say in how the movie handled the IP, Konami are who approved it.
However if you only know the movie and use movie information to retroactively speak on the games then yes it is misinformation and it'd be better to look up information on the games to make sure you're saying stuff that makes sense.
In the case of "Real place" being better than "personal hell" that's more a preference, and in the games yes Silent Hill had some nods and information to where it was geographically. The film makers set it in their own real world location to easily explain the fog in the series for it's interpretation.
Also movie differences like that are very common for adaptations.
For example if I just tried telling people what Resident Evil or Hellboy was based on the films there'd be a lot of things that don't line up with the original source material at all because film makers usually like to take their own spin on it.
@@Hi_Just_Fred good points all the way around thank you for your long winded reply
i dont consider it a must buy, the remaster on ps3 is inferior so there really isnt an ideal way to play a better version of the original easily. The remake is for new fans.
as a fan who never got to play the original game but watched my cousin and brother play it all the time i enjoyed the remake. theres a modded version of SH2 for PC called SH2: Enhanced Edition. which fixes issues in the original game and upscales the textures. If you are into those type of things.
@@jeremywc3576 Fans having to make a definitive version of SH2 while all konami cares to do is pump out a botched port with an unfinished build or have a totally different team remake it into something pretty different is unfortunately not an ideal substitute to having a good official port of the original.
I will say I disagree that James was always meant to be "like able"
And though you don't like SH1 the protagonist from that game Harry Mason fits that description far better than James.
Without getting into spoilers, I don't think it's a stretch to say James being a character that players aren't meant to feel comfortable playing as feeds into the ending reveal of what he did and why he's being haunted by the town.
I think if James was meant to be more likeable and "everyman" it would diminish his character and personally I do feel that's the case with his character here in the remake where he's generally reworked to, yes, be more of that mold for the most part. He feels a bit less distinct to me, and more like a blander take that's mainly carried by a good VA performance.
You don't think so? SPOILERS
Ge helps a little girl. Talks down manic people gently. And throughout the game seemingly wants to find his wife because he's dedicated.
I feel like finding out what he did is intentional contrast to all of that.
@@ShesezTheNews for Laura they both start off very antagonistic and remain hostile until much later in the game, like how he snaps at her when she challenges his perception of Mary and what happened.
And only after understanding Laura's relationship to Mary does he truly start to open up to her and even then he ONLY accepts the responsibility of caring for her like Mary wanted in one of many possible endings. So personally it felt less like "He cares for her" and more "He doesn't understand why she cares about Mary, until he comes to terms with and accepts the reality rather than whatever version of events he constructed in his mind out of grief."
Harry Mason's entire motivation by contrast is finding his daughter, so again that trait feels much more accurate to him than James who doesn't seem like someone put together enough himself to care for others.
As for him gently talking people down, that's not as prominent to me with Eddie or Angela as for me he mainly gives off the vibe of being uncomfortable around other people with their own issues. James isn't really a therapist or super sympathetic towards them, he merely engaged with Angela and Eddie in questioning manners trying to get information he's seeking because he's pursuing the hopeless idea Mary is alive and waiting for him purely out of a delusion that she reached out to him when in his mind James already knows and even addresses the fact he doesn't actually believe Mary is alive he's just desperate hoping he'll either get someone to fill that void (like Maria) or be absolved of his guilt by the end.
James is a person who's far too troubled himself to ever hope to comfort anyone, and even in moments where he could potentially be offering that like the staircase scene with Angela he doesn't truly offer that. When Angela basically turns the idea of suicide back on him he dismisses it like "No, I could never kill myself..." despite one ending being exactly that.
I think James is intentionally written in a way to show that he's not that positive or supportive person, and this feeds into the reason he killed Mary not simply to put her out of her misery but also because he wanted his life back. James is remorseful, and he isn't an awful person, but he is not good or likeable.
I like him and he's my favorite protagonist for all these reasons, because it's so rare you get a character like James who isn't a clear cut good person who's fully absolved of his wrong doings just because he's the protagonist. And I feel some aspects of him in the remake diminish that unique quality he has.
silent hill 2 ps2 is one of the best titles on the system. I for one will not be buying the remake bc you can see the activism in the character design. I'm not one of those who hates the hd versions bc they are ports not remakes and they make it easy to play w/o buying a ps2 or emulating. It's remakes in general that I hate, I think the games should be ported to new systems as close to the original work of art as possible. Also who tf can afford to keep buying the new console every few years?
Activism?
@@Hi_Just_Fred yea activism. They changed marias skimpy outfit to cover her up more and made angela look frumpy. Femminist activism. Id be suprised if they didnt hire someone like sweet baby inc to make it "less problematic for modern audiences"
@@JasonSpanhurah... Well, I appreciate you didn't just say it was "woke" then lol
But still I kinda disagree honestly with that part, I do think it's less about feminism and more just a "companies don't want to take the risk" in regards to Maria's design. (Though they did put her original outfit in the game to find so they acknowledge that yes her outfit was changed and don't pretend they didn't.)
As for angela I do think they changed it just to make her look younger physically, less so about feminism.
Regardless, I agree with the sentiments in the rest of your comment about good quality accessible ports of the original games being a bigger priority than remakes or remasters aiming to change a lot. At the very least having options to disable changes, like turning on original graphics instead of only using the new ones or swapping between new and old voice acting is a far better approach.
@@Hi_Just_Fred well theres some common ground then. Lets just agree to disagree on the activism point.
At the hotel currently. You are missing out by not buying it. Nothing was toned down
Im not one of those rabbid fans who think Silent Hills 2 is unplayable for the HD remaster but in terms of the ps3 version Silent Hill 3 definetly is, with its myriad of bugs and animation errors. They also force the new voice cast on you with that one, so it certainly isnt ideal.
The 360 version I think performs alot better.
Thanks for giving extra context there! I played the digital download version on xbox one so I guess i got that ideal experience 😂
Nah those graphics were awful and the story telling was 1:1 for James but missing the Table Daddy fight and Maria’s story is very important and was overlooked in the Remake. The music felt disconnected. I was very let down with this remake. It definitely felt like a resident evil
i completely disagree. graphics are fine with some issues that comes with the engine. the angela story wasn't missing and marias story was hinted but (not confirmed) could possibly become a DLC. how was the music disconnected? because the original composer added a modern twist to the sound? also felt like a resident evil? elaborate game play or visually? on separate note how does james look like leon? cause they have similar hair color? every visual design is different including the combat style.
@@jeremywc3576 I wanted to like the graphics so bad but the two pyramid head scene is just so bad. The blood that trickles down Maria’s face. It’s really not good. I honestly think the Remastered looked more appropriate and what’s up with Laura’s face???
But the abstract daddy fight is in it. >__>
@@Dariothehungry it didn’t look like it to me? It looked like the Maria boss monster instead of the Abstract Daddy, the room itself is even different. The room with abstract daddy was fleshy and far more terrifying than just a dark otherworld zone
Wow, this guy is way too easily impressed.
or he absorbed the game with no pre conceived expectations. those who think its still bad are the ones who definitely took the negativity and let that take away the good experience with the remake. i never played the original but i didn't let bias ruin my experience with the game. the only issues with the game is performance and visuals cause thats an unreal engine issue. and no James doesn't look like a Leon clone.
@@jeremywc3576I don't think you can have bias if you never played the original?
Personally the remake is a fine reinterpretation of the original but I do wish the company behind the series actually did better to preserve the original game in a GOOD state and not a botched port working of an unfinished build.
The PC version can be found for free at least since they've totally abandoned it, and fans have worked on mods to improve it into a truly definitive version of the game.
But it really shouldn't be the community's responsibility to do that, and given the quality of every other silent hill project konami has put out recently I don't think it's THAT extreme for many fans to still not be sold and have concerns on how Konami handles the series going forward.
It's a lot more than mere bias, it's a history of bad practices from the publisher.
@@Hi_Just_Fred yes I never played the original but the amount of time I was the audience of the original watching my family play it.
Angela was not made to pander. I’m so sick of people complaining about games being woke. If people don’t enjoy games anymore then don’t play them.
Anyways game is great
It was a small part of your video so I won't dwell but I'd argue that making a character deliberate attractive is the pandering you're talking about. We've moved past that and into the realm of normal art design rather than catering to horny teenagers.
My opinion to all this is that if you're that bothered by a character's design that it affects your feelings about the game then that is a design issue and you shouldn't play that game. Plenty of games I won't touch due to design issues or the views of the creators, I just move on and play something else.
Bloober Team did a great job. I certainly had reservations early on, but once the 2nd trailer dropped, I was convinced they were listening to feedback and improving. It's still not "perfect", but nothing ever will be, not even the original game that people have idolized in their minds.