12:10 Jinx: "Make her go away, please". Remember that game Vi and Powder used to play when they were kids where Vi pretended to "chase the monsters away"? Caitlyn is her monster.
silco was never going to give jinx up, that was the point of him talking at vanders statue. he called vander a coward for letting go of the dream for the kids, now the tables have flipped and he gets it now since he raised jinx.
Jinx lost 3 dads, a mother, 2 brothers, a sister....all in less than 12 years. 4 of the 7 were her doing...I hold that the voice actors scream when she fires the rocket is the single best moment in the entire show...you feel all that loss, PTSD, psychotic break in that moment of a girl who just can't bottle that burden inside anymore.
Silco saw that Jinx was in emotional pain when Vi was telling her to remember her friends and family. That's why he told her not to listen to Vi. Jinx also told Vi to stop as it was hurting her. Taking into consideration how Silco grew up, loving Jinx as a daughter helped him grow as a character.
Silco absolutely loved Jinx. There is no denying that. The way he was talking to Vander's statue and him finally understanding why Vander chose his "kids" over the undercity. The line "Oh it all makes sense now brother" is so perfect. Silco finally understood Vander and found new respect for him. And to top it all off Silco ended up making the exact choice Vander made. He turned down the undercity's independence, the thing he was working for all his life for the sake of his daughter. It's such perfect and clever wrighting. And to be fair even though Vi had good intentions Silco was straight up spitting facts at the end there. He realized before anybody else that Vi would not accept Jinx for who she is. She only wanted Powder back and it's proven by how much she still calls her sister Powder and spends the entire third arc trying to get Powder back... not realizing that Powder is gone or at least needed to coexist with Jinx forever now. And I think that, part of the reason Vi is not able to accept Jinx is mostly because she is the reason Jinx was created in the first place. As Jinx explained in the episode, as much as Silco would like to take credit for the creation of Jinx, it was not him but Vi that created her. And becuase of that Vi feels extremely guilty and wants to undo her mistake. The shouting match at the end was when Silco realized that Vi continually trying to make her remember Vander and the past when she was Powder just ended up doing more damage than Vi realized. She was actually hurting her relive those traumatic memories and that's why Silco decided to shoot at Vi, to spare his daughter more pain. Once again, amazing writing and display of emotions by both Vi and Silco. There is a channel on youtube that did some pretty amazing breakdowns of these scenes between Jinx and Silco. As a therapist she was able to pick up so much interesting stuff between the two and their relationship. I highly recommend checking her videos out on this and you might gain a new perspective :) The video is called: Arcane: Silco and Jinx - Therapist Reacts! I highly recommend checking the video out even if you don't want to react to it I still recommend checking it out on your own time.
Oh man, I never considered the parallel to Vander in Ep. 1. But, it totally makes sense. I only saw Silco's constant discussion of loyalty, and the constant threat of the uppers to his dream. But, yeah, his daughter became the dream, just like the children became Vander's. This show is so freaking beautiful.
very good analyzis. i wanna add taht the choice jinx gave vi between powder and caitlyn actually was a psychological test in my opinion. she did not want vi to shoot cait, she just wanted to hear that she accepts her as jinx. sadly vi did not get it, because she was focused on getting powder back
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 the name of the therapist is Georgia Dow. She actually breaks down nearly every relationship in the show. But, I'll agree, her analyses of Vi+Powder is great. So is her Vi+Kaitlyn
“ I thought you could love me like you used to, even though I’m different.” “ What makes you different makes you stronger dont ever forget that” the writing is excellent in this show.
Vi was actually the one torturing Jinx in that final scene, by calling up all her monsters she was destroying her psyche. Silco tried to stop Vi. Per the writers, Jinx had no awareness what she was shooting at, just reflexively reacted to the sound of a hammer striking on a gun (Silco DID shoot at Vi, she jerked her head to the side, there is a bullet hole in her chair)
Just don’t think Silco was trying to stop Vi from torturing Jinx. More like he didn’t want her to influence Jinx. He didn’t want to lose Jinx and so he wanted to kill Vi to take away any choice Jinx had to make 🤗
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 I think on a rewatch you might think differently. You see a lot more little nuanced things, like the fact Jinx clearly hand-made both a coffee mug on his desk, and his ashtray, as a little girl. The fact the shark gun has a scarred eye just like him. He really and truly loved her, even if the situation and her mental state made it a bit twisted.
Arcane was 6 years in the making and for me it makes sense when the quality of the series is this good. As a player of League of Legends since its beta days, most of us players have been asking for a series/movie for 10 years and it was really satisfying that we get to see Arcane as a masterpiece rather than a rushed story . So yeah, I know it's such a long wait again for season 2, but I would rather wait than get disappointed.
@@anavrinmidia9735 Agree. It doesn't matter how long it takes, a rushed season 2 that lacks the same love and attention to detail we see in season 1 will be a horrible disappointment. In fact, a part of me doesn't want them to even try: I just can't imagine how it could possibly live up to this season, with such a high bar I feel like we're destined to be let down. Season 1, like Silco's view of JInx, is perfect.
@@anavrinmidia9735 it's not gonna take that long again for season 2 - it'll be 2 years tops. Most of the delay was finding the right people - not the actual writing or art of the project. All of that is established already. They alluded to this in the arcane interviews.
@@Vendrix86 I know but i'm saying that to not encourage the idea of rushing the people working on the show. If the pressure from the fanbase is too big, the compagnies will push their workers to rush the thing and sacrified quality. You can't rush employes to get this quality of animation.
You can see in the previous episode where Silco started to hesitate giving up Jinx that he truly loved her. Silco was angry with Vander because he gave up everything THEY believed in to protect his kids and after all that, when he is the closest to achieve his goals, he cant, because he understood Vander was right. I think people fail to realize that Vander and Silco were Vi and Powder, Brothers that had the respect of the Lanes. But things happened and their moralities shifted to opposite ends, Just like their daughters. Jinx didn't kill Silco on purpose, it was her reflexes, Silco wasn't trying to even shoot Jinx, you can see his bullet scraped Vi's shoulder, he was trying to shut her up. When Vi told Jinx to remember her family she saw them as monsters attacking her, those memories hurt her and Vi would never get to Powder that way and in the mean time SIlco wants Jinx to forget her past and be born anew just like he did. This show is just full of bad turn of events. EDIT: Also that thing you said "the path to hell is paved with good intentions" that's not Jayce, That 1000% Silco
Except we don’t believe Silco had truly noble intentions. What was his plan when Zaun was finally free? There would be an election and they would establish a democratic government and have equality for all? Or was he just going to rule everything? Probably the latter. Silco craved power. We’ve said it a bunch in other posts but that’s just because it is the most telling of all his quotes “power, real power….comes to those who will do anything to achieve it.” 🤗
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 Of course he would rule, just like Vander and Silco would rule if they actually won the war in the episode 1 flashback. There really arent any democracies in Runeterra, in most regions the people in power are the strongest, smartest, or born to rule. But Silco wants to break that, he would do anything to gain it, just like the quote says. And at the end of the day the dream of becoming an independent nation is something that everyone in the underground wants, even little Poweder wanted to fight. at the end of the day Silco got the independence, Jinx just Jinxed it all.
Silco pulled a gun on Vi because Vi was bringing back traumatic memories for Jinx. Vi was focused on bringing Powder back and not the current sister. She didn't accept Jinx for who she is unconditionally. Whereas Silco accepted her in his own twisted way. He pulled the gun on Vi to stop Vi from breaking her down in that scene with Powder/Jinx kneeling with three chalkboard demons over her. That's all Vi hurting her to bring Powder back. We had that whole scene in Episode 5 I think where Silco brings Jinx to the water to be "reborn". It's that very scene that shows Silco trying to end her suffering in her identity crisis. Going back to the finale, he sees Vi bringing back her painful mental trauma. All of which we see the culminating effect towards Silco's death. He truly loved her in his twisted sense of fatherly responsibility, part of it using her as a weapon for his war and the other as a daughter he came to love. I wouldn't call Silco an evil character at all. He was a desperate one. A character who would use any means for his people even if it meant sacrificing some of them in order to benefit the overall population of Zaun and break away from the oppression of Piltover.
Respectfully disagree, they made an exeptional and compelling villain, one of the best i've ever seen on screen, but he was, without a doubt, an evil person, you only need to go as far as shimmer production and distribution in zaun, how it made a great number of people mutated, disgusted with themself and desperate. To him all those people, all that suffering, weere means to an end, but they were his own people as he said. No doubt his love for jinx was true, he saw himself into her, but evil persons can love too, they are not mutually exclusive concepts
As opposed to Silco, who created the "current sister" through turning her into a child soldier and murderer and having remained either oblivious or willfully blind to her deteriorating mental health. He wanted to kill Vi not because she was traumatizing her sister, but because she might get through to her - the same reason he had been trying to kill Vi for five episodes.
I agree that in that moment Silco was trying to protect Jinx. I absolutely believe he was trying to shoot Vi because Vi was (unknowingly) torturing her sister. And Silco loved her ultimately even more than his desire for the independence of Zaun (as seen by his line "is there nothing as undoing as a daughter"). What would be your definition of evil? Because here I definitely put Silco in the evil category. He distributed shimmer to finance his business/war, and he knew what that would do to people. He used child labor in those shimmer factories too. In episode 3 he waited for the kids to come rescue Vander so he could get rid of them as well. Certainly he was desperate, but that's not a strong enough statement to say he wasnt evil.
No they weren't kidding hahaha xD the ending everyone reacts the same way. Was a nice journey following you guys through this series! thanks for the reactions
This isn't a cliffhanger, btw - this is a perfectly valid ending to a complete story, a tragic cautionary tale with themes ranging from abuse and mental health, love and family, and a broad commentary on class. I almost wish they'd stop here.
@@danh8804 It literally is a cliffhanger. While I get what you mean, it doesn't make the ending any less of a cliffhanger. "a story or a situation that is exciting because its ending or result is uncertain until it happens" "A cliffhanger is a situation or part of a play or film that is very exciting or frightening because you are left for a long time not knowing what will happen next. " "a dramatic and exciting ending to an episode of a serial, leaving the audience in suspense and anxious not to miss the next episode." A story can also end completely with a cliffhanger. Ending with a cliffhanger doesn't mean it's not a perfectly valid ending to a complete story, idk why you think cliffhanger contradicts that.
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 Um I had an advice to you if want more like Arcane, its Attack on Titan. Its a good anime and asks them if they want you to react for ATTACK ON TITAN S1-4. Can u ask them guys?
as a bit of context to WHY Arcane S2 won't be coming before 2023, and why it is coming "this early" - the first season of Arcane has been in production since 2015 (6 years), in that time span, they had to : hire producters, artists, script writers because they had absolutely no experience of running a show at all. That delayed things considerably, especially in 2018 when after Fortiche finished the first episode, the whole script got back in the US for re-writing (Fortiche did make KDA clips and the Rise music video during that break). The script was written for season 1 and 2 all at once, so that part is basically done - Fortiche started out with 1 studio of about 20/30 people when they started working on Arcane in 2015, the company is now composed of 200+ animators and artists, scattered between 3 studios, 2 in France and 1 in Spain. In other words : if it took them a while to animate the first episodes, it was much quicker for the later ones, without seeing a loss in quality, so we can expect the 2nd season to be animated pretty quickly compared to season 1. - The show was intended to get released in 2020, but they got delayed because of Covid. Now this isn't an issue anymore. Things that are still in the pipeline for S2 to be animated : dubbing, and soundtrack recording. They most likely started to work on this in 2021, so if it gets released in 2023, that would mean a production time of about 2 years, not counting the script. If 2 years can deliver the same level of quality as the first season, I'm more than happy to wait an additional year. At least it won't go like the Witcher wich went from average to big meh despite having 2 years of waiting between the seasons 😄
You slowly realize through the series that silco care a lot about jinx, she is problematic but he keep her, he encourage her inventions and he trust her so much that she been the one doing his eye treatment, at the end he ended like vander, giving everything up to protect his daughter. Jinx loved him because he saw her as jinx as what she feels being not as the little girls she was. The song isn't only jinx talking, it is the whole undercity, zaun is the monster piltover created
Silco ways of getting the undercity to be independent were wrong, but that’s why hetchmen and Sevika was loyal to him unlike vander, Silco had a vision for the the underground while vander kept things in check yes but sadly eventually people would’ve wanted more then just protection.and the status quo. Silco even said himself “you’d die for the cause but you won’t fight for one?”
“Power, real power….comes to those who will do anything to achieve it” Silco. notice he doesn’t talk about freedom here. At no point in the show does Silco show any interest in the lives of anyone outside his own. He cares for Jinx but that’s someone in his life. He sees himself in her. When he says she’s perfect, that’s because he believes that he is perfect. Silco wasn’t trying to setup a democracy in undercity. He just wanted to run his own city his own way and gain true power. Just our interpretation of the character though 🤗
"He wouldn't have tortured Vi just then" Vi..kind of tortured Jinx though...Saying the names that haunted her, sure she didnt understand what she was doing, But Silco DID. Silco saw his daughter being tormented in extreme pain, and lifted a gun to Vi because he was absolutely desperate to stop Jinx from feeling that pain. What Vi did was like making unknowingly loud explosion sounds next to a solider suffering from massive ptsd. Silco may not have been the best guy, or even best dad. He loved her though. He was even willing to risk his relationship with her, despite how much he loved her, just to get Vi to stop putting her in so much pain. Sometimes too, I think the community has this "Holier than thou" opinion of Vi compared to Jinx. But Vi..is not that great of a person either. She callously spoke of a child murdered in front of Jayce, and even he at that moment showed much more humanity than Vi did. Vi also abandoned her on the bridge in episode 7. She could have told Ekko to go with Caitlyn. She had not even uttered a word to Jinx. Silence. The worst thing you can do to someone suffering. I dont think Vi abandoned her in episode 3, as she was yanked away by Marcus, but let's not pretend walking away (even for a moment) was excusable. Leaving a little vulnerable girl having a full blown mental breakdown by the carcass of their dead father figure and bloodied friends. Even if it was just for a minute..thats..not okay. Yes I understand she was a kid, as was Powder. I also understand that current Vi is no hero. She is not a good person, but it is not intentional. She is not malicious intentionally or bad on purpose. A good person title like that belongs to Caitlyn (who might arguably be the only *good* person in the show) It seems that Vi realizes this too, but continues to make the same mistakes. Both Vi and Jinx are irreparably fucked up in completely different ways. In the end, she couldn't let go of Powder, and because of that put Jinx in tremendous pain. She held on to this image in her head of her bond with Powder, and in turn rejected Jinx. She could not love her the same. JInx saw that. It broke her. Over and over again. Silco is a morally gray character. His unconditional love towards Jinx, and even his goal is nothing but noble. It is the way he achieves his goals that makes it less so, hence gray.
These defenses of Silco are genuinely f'd. Silco has the most power, wealth, and status of anyone in the Undercity, so let's not pretend he probably couldn't have gotten his surrogate daughter (become so because he had literally killed everyone left who might have taken care of her, and Marcus arrested Vi as she rushed back to her side) some kind of help for her mental health instead of raising her like a child soldier. He tried to kill Vi for the same reason he tried to kill her in Ep 5 and after - because she was a threat to Jinx's loyalty to him.
@@danh8804 Well the problem with the mental health argument is that this is not a current day society where we have tolerance for those with mental issues. Especially where a rumor of having mental problems can easily make you an outcast. Just remember Jayce's mom trying to save him from the council by saying he is mental. In all honesty, for everything that happens it's so realistic when you take a step back and just look at the environment this all happens in.
Vi hasn't seen her since the day they died so she had no idea how much those deaths affected her. She also was never around when she had those mental outburst like the day she went to save Vander. Plus I think whatever they did to revive her only worsened her mental health.
@@danh8804 Silco does a ton of messed up stuff in the series, but I think the argument of "getting her daughter help for her mental health" is a little bit out of touch with the reality of the undercity and Its inhabitants. It's not about money, It's about developing a culture fit for handling mental issues. Expecting that of Silco (or anyone in an environment of power struggles and gang wars), is like expecting Ambessa Medarda not to educate Mel like a merciless warlock. In fact, right now in the real world, most parents won't take their kids to a professional to help with their mental issues. Not because they have ill intentions, but because they don't look at these issues as something that needs medical attention. This is not good for the child, but you can't just blame their parents for living in a society that encourages that kind of behavior. We're not just individuals living in the void, we're part of a collective that shapes a big part of what we are. Take Vander for example. He's a good guy, yet he trained his kids to be burglars and do "jobs" for him.
Id love to point out one thing why Silco said to Jinx that she is perfect. In his eyes, she is what Zaun is, a person who managed to grow up, through that harsh place, though hard times, the place and time they lived in, and in the end managed to become something greater. Silco maybe didn't manage to see his nation of Zaun, but he did see living embodiment of Zaun in her, the last thing he saw was A free girl full of fun and strength who can fight for herself, his daughter, daughter of Zaun
When Silco was betrayed by Vander he build walls to keep everyone out, but when he saw Powder crying, broken, betrayed he realized that he wasn't alone he open himself up to her gave her comfort, he truly loved her and he wouldn't have given her up for Zaun.
Silco truly loved Jinx as herself whereas Vi was stuck in wanting Powder who Jinx is not anymore. Vi was the one actually torturing Jinx by keep calling her Powder.
Silco wanted Jinx. He didn’t want Powder. Both Vi and Silco made Jinx choose between the two instead of accepting that she could be both. And Yes Vi brought up the past. But when suffering from trauma you eventually need to deal with that trauma. Jinx has never been able to deal with it or get over it. Silco has been okay with that because it makes her angry and like him. But he doesn’t truly care about what is best for Jinx/Powder. Acceptance isn’t love. Silco in the end told Jinx she was perfect, does anyone think that’s true? Nobody is perfect but this is far from the best version of herself. Plus Silco kept saying how they were the same person so really in the end he was telling himself that he was perfect because that is what he had to believe in order to do all the terrible things he did for his “cause”. Just our opinion on the matter though and we know it’s not the most popular one 🤗😇
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 I'm curious, where did you see that Silco "kept saying" that Jinx was like him ? I don't recall any of that, and I didn't see a glimpse of Silco feeling like he's perfect himself. And yes, acceptance is not love, but I can't imagine how one could doubt he loved her like a daughter when you see his reaction after she blows herself up with Ekko. I hardly disagree (only my opinion of course) on you saying that Silco doesn't truly care what is best for Jinx. If he didn't, why did he take so much effort to find Vi and kill her after he learnt that she wasn't dead? The moment in ep6 where he fails to kill her is the only time in the show where he's actually in rage... why is it so important for him? One could say that it was only to make sure that Jinx continues to work for him... except that she's always doing her own stuff anyway (that sometimes even make things worse for his enterprise). No, the only rational reason is that he believes Vi would only make Jinx feel worse if she came back. He strongly believes that Jinx needs to put the past behind in order to feel better (hence the scene of "baptism" in the water earlier). Of course you can argue that it's not healthy for her, but he believes it is, and that shows how much he cares for her. His whole discussion with Vander and the decision of not giving her up for his nation of Zaun also shows that. I like to say that this show is fundamentally about how things can escalate just because everyone has a very narrow and self-centered perception of reality. Every character, in all the story lines, follow this theme. And Silco is the same with Jinx : like most loving dads, he thinks he knows what is best for Jinx based on his own perception of life, shaped by his own past. There's on top of that an interesting discussion to have on whether Powder is still here or not. For me it is clear that Powder "evolved" into Jinx, like a child evolves into an adult. There is no Powder anymore left from ep4 already, it is only a memory that is tourmenting Jinx. In this interpretation, when Silco says to her that she has to let Powder die, it's not because he wants her to "choose" Jinx over Powder, but to let her past behind her. In that sense, Silco is the one loving Jinx for who she truly is at the present moment, and when he says "you're perfect" it's not about Jinx VS Powder, but about his daugther as a whole. On the contrary, Vi cannot accept who Jinx became and is only torturing Jinx by always reminding her that she shouldn't be who she's "supposed" to be.
Man, Sevika is such a badass. Other then main cast she is definetely my favourite character. She works for a mob boss, but she breaks the stereotype of "treacherous leutenant". I mean she literally saved her boss at the cost of her own arm in episode 3. And her giving advice to Silko when he wanted to go look for Jinx? I feel like she liked her (reminds me of "dad dint want a cat, now dad cant live without a cat" idea). And yeah, she had a super arm and she was juiced up on Shimmer, but she still held her own against Vi who had prototype hextech gloves. I cant believe im saying this, but i was rooting for her in her last fight with Vi Also - Sevika didnt double cross Vander? She just lived in undercity, so Vi assumed she worked for Vander. Her first scene in show was her disagreeing with Vander. I 100% think she never pretended to be loyal to Vander
Part of the beauty of Arcane is that the characters don't fulfill the typical tropes. Sevika is actually a heroic character of sorts, particularly in the first leg of the series. Vander is a character who performs some heroic acts, but actually has a non-heroic position. Silco is a character who performs some villainous acts, but actually has the heroic position. What is Vander's position? "I would rather live life on my knees than risk being put on my back".. or more to the point "I would rather live life on my knees so my children have an opportunity to live life on their knees" What is Vander's arrangement with Greyson? Basically the same arrangement that Hillside has with the Whisperers in The Walking Dead... that is.. know your place, stay in your lane, and we won't have to come in here and put heads on pikes. That is not the heroic position. What is Silco's position? "I would rather risk being put on my back than live life on my knees"... the classic heroic position. He is also correct, in fact. We just saw ONE scrawny weakling dumbass kid slaughter the sheriff and a squad of her enforcers.. by himself. If that isn't an equalizing element, I don't know what would be. An actually good fighter on shimmer, Vander.. later kicks that kidmonster's ass like he is nothing, after starting out literally dying, so imagine how many enforcers HE could have taken on by himself. Silco is correct that it is at least worth a shot to use that new advantage to try to finally get under the oppressive boot of Piltover. Sevika already knows herself what Silco later says to Vander: The only way the undercity ever possibly wins its freedom is through STRENGTH and violence, because that is all the enforcers seem to respond to (This turns out to be 100% correct in the end, when their violent confrontation convinces Jayce.. echoing what Silco said.. they didn't need to win, just SCARE them). That's why she calls Vander weak, because he lacks the intestinal fortitude to do what needs to be done to free them all, in her eyes. So, when Sevika realizes all of this in the first leg of the series, that Vander is what is standing between the undercity and its freedom from Piltover, she moves to support the person with the HEROIC position, which is Silco. But then Vander and his kids screw everything up, blowing up the shimmer, and the lab, and weakening their position again. Who knows what kind of deals Silco had to make to get it going again, how many of the dedicated people in that facility that were preparing for war died in the explosion, and, by the time he was "ready" again, I'm sure the clamor for war that had boiled up because of the oppressive search for Vi and crew had died down in the undercity. So, instead of being a general using shimmer as a weapon in a war supported by all the lanes, he becomes a gangster using it to maintain power in the undercity, which is now just right back at its own throat, as usual.
Silco was my favorite character. He was a perfect villain and he's final words were also perfect. Loved Arcane it was brilliant and I think it might be my favorite show just after the one season.
This ending is soo good Vi failing Jinx’s questions. The revealing of fishbones with the red moon and Jinx using her ultimate super mega death rocket. I was screaming while crying. I can’t wait for season 2!
All jinx wanted was to be loved regardless of whether she was Powder or Jinx. Vi wanted her sister Powder. Silco wanted his daughter Jinx. In the end, she chose to be a daughter over a sister, but saved her sister rather than her father. This show is a masterpiece
Just saw this reaction a little late and I think the biggest thing; was her launcher "Fishbones" is not a monkey. It's a sea monster. When Silco was talking to Singed, he mentions his love for the sea and it's monsters. She made the launcher for him to use. Not her. And when she starts crying shimmer you can hear "We'll show them, We'll show them all.." (In Silco's voice) made it clear to me that she was crying over Silco's death. Cause this moment (Firing the rocket) was for him. Not her. Edit: And the fact that the current discussion at the counsel is about peace, and under city's independence; what they always wanted. And Jinx's "interruption" to say lightly, is the final jinx that she brings. (What could of been..)
"It doesn't say when in 2023. It could be 2 years. C'mon, expedite this!" 2 years is expediting it. The first season of Arcane started production back in 2014 and was scheduled for a 2020 release that got delayed until the end of 2021. That's 6.5 years. Granted, they now have the model assets for the characters that they didn't have at the beginning, and they already have the voice acting cast selected for characters that will be returning. But 2 years is still going pretty fast for something like this.
That ending still makes my eyes tear up, not because of it's a cliffhanger, but because of how Silco showed how much he loved Jinx and how it broke Jinx when he died.
Powder, as a member of Silco's crew is basically revolutionaries fighting for Zaun's independence. Her entire arc is about her trying to figure out who she is (Powder or Jinx). Powder attacking the council to start a war is basically her accepting herself as Jinx.
Vi, while well meaning, was only making the problems worse. Her attempts to "get through" to Jinx were just reminders of her trauma, and making her panic, so she acted without thinking and immediately regretted it. Vi was stuck in prison for so long, the only memories she really had to hold on to were those of the people they used to know, those were good memories for Vi. But after all that had happened with the explosion, those are only bad memories for Jinx. Those old friends are her voices, the ones that torment her. But Vi has no way of knowing this, so when she thinks she's helping by shouting out all these names, she's really just rehashing old trauma. And all Silco did was tell Jinx not to listen to Vi, he didn't torture her. He was a bad man, sure, but he truly loved Jinx as his daughter. He pulled the gun because he knew Vi was just tormenting Jinx with those memories. Vi has been stuck in prison, so the only memory of her sister she has is someone who doesn't exist anymore. Vi doesn't love Jinx, she loves Powder, but Powder is gone, and she can't accept that. And it makes sense that she wouldn't have been able to at first, since those memories of her sister were all she had all those years in prison. But it's like Jinx said "I thought maybe, you could love me like you used to, even though I'm different, but you changed too." Vi can't accept Jinx for who she is now, she can't love her like she used to because she loves Powder.
I think the exact opposite. The entire time that Jinx was with Silco, he was constantly pushing her to forget her past, which was the opposite of what she needed. It haunted her so much that bottling it up turned her into a schizophrenic mess. What she needed to do was face her past, accept her part in what happened, and learn to move past it. Vi did what she was supposed to in reminding Jinx of the family she killed, whether or not she knew what she was doing. It just came too late to make a difference. He was always blatantly or subtley manipulative, and was responsible for a lot of the mental anguish that Jinx suffered. You can argue that he loved her, but that doesn't change the fact that he was bad at handling her issues and ultimately did far more harm than good to her. I don't think Vi would have an issue accepting Jinx as long as she could refrain from constantly trying to kill her love interest and random civilians. That's not a high bar to hold someone to. People are very forgiving toward Silco, but he was a monster. He doesn't deserve all the sympathy.
@@Goomsies Oh yeah, she definitely had problems that should have been dealt with. Though it definitely would have been harder as her issues are something that you would need a lot of therapy to work through, and I doubt that there are therapists in the setting of the show. But in that moment, it wasn't helping her, it shouldn't have been done in that kind of a situation. The stakes were too high, and it wasn't safe to rehash all that trauma in that moment for her, as we saw the consequences of that happening. Don't make the person holding the gatling gun panic I think would be the best approach in that moment. And as another commenter had said, Jinx was who she needed to be in that moment, her memories of Powder were what were making her panic. They probably don't have the same mental health care as we do, so without a proper way to actually deal with her issues the best thing in my opinion is whatever keeps her the most stable. Edit: As someone pointed out as well, you don't need to relive traumatic moments to get better, and schizophrenia isn't something that just comes about from bad parenting, if you're schizophrenic it'll develop whether your parents are good or not. But I also have to think about some things that might have made talking to her easier. There are things that show she can't accept her sister as "Jinx" and not Powder. The fact that she never once calls her Jinx, despite Jinx telling her multiple times that's what she wants to be called. I saw it more as reclaiming the name Jinx and giving it a new meaning, but since Vi's last memories of speaking to her sister were calling her a jinx, she likely can't see it that way. Being able to comfort her means she would have to be considerate of the things that make her comfortable, one being just calling her Jinx, which wouldn't have been hard to do and would have shown more acceptance on her part, which probably would have made talking to Jinx easier. (Also, sorry for the long response, I genuinely enjoyed reading what you said and I wanted to give it a proper response with all my thoughts)
@@kokitrees7394 Yeah, I understand that there was no real way out for Jinx in that situation. It was always going to end badly, one way or another. But my thinking is that if we can consider there to be any way out at all, no matter how unrealistic, then it was by facing those issues she'd been trying to forget about right in that moment. Do or die. It's not fair to force that on someone who didn't have any form of mental support, but that was the only way she was going to come out of that dinner party somewhat sane. Not to say that's what should have happened. The story wouldn't be nearly as compelling or realistic if she just snapped out of it like that. I guess what I'm trying to convey is that Silco was more in the wrong than Vi in this situation. Remember, she only met up with her sister twice after the time skip: Episode 6 before the firelight fight and episode 9, the dinner party scene. She didn't have the time to realize just how different Jinx's personality had become. She got a brief insight while watching her fight the firelights, but the non-Powder qualities that she saw in Jinx were basically all bad. Asking Vi to accept someone as they are when they can't even handle her having a separate relationship without trying to kill that person is impossible. And while Silco's love for Jinx might seem unconditional, (which comes with its own problems) it's not. He can't accept Powder, the same way Vi can't accept Jinx. If Jinx ever went back to the person she was with Vi, maybe building another family to be a part of, he wouldn't have been able to handle it. Her story mirrored his so closely that he saw himself as an example for her to follow. The issue is that he accepted his role as the bad guy, destroying his own community with drugs in an attempt to reach his ultimate, arguably noble, goal of gaining independence for Zaun. If Jinx turned into a better person than him and left the cause, it would prove that he might have taken the wrong path.
@@Goomsies you're missing a lot. Vi lives in the past. No. She couldn't accept Jinx because Jinx wasn't Powder. And yes Silco did manipulate Jinx at times but he did not make her a "schizophrenic mess" things like that don't develop cause of parenting. No matter who raised her and how happy her life bad been she would have still developed those issues. Silco did do harm, but to say he did more harm than good is a stretch. He gave her the best he could, it wasn't good enough, but it's not like he didn't help her at all. You don't have to relive and embrace your trauma to move on, that is a MYTH. SOME people do that, but your brain sometimes blocks out traumatic memories for a reason, because sometimes it is better to just forget it and move on. Notice after he baptised her the next time we see Jinx she is COMPLETELY fine. She's working, she's listening to her music, she's undisturbed, she's vibing. Clearly his methods, DID help her. Edit: also you are just wrong. His entire point as a character was that he loved her no matter what. Remember, prior to episode 6, Powder to both Silco and Jinx was just a manifestation of her pain. None of it mattered her entirely family, including Vi, was dead. None of that mattered, reliving that helped her in no way. Silco would not have made her Jinx, firstly she said so herself, and secondly he had no reason to. She was still a lose cannon, she still caused him more problems than helped him, but he loved her. And when he does, when she was battling whether to become Powder or stay Jinx, what does he say to her in her final moments? "You're perfect." Not JINX is perfect. YOU'RE perfect, as in whether she's Jinx, Powder, or she came up with a new identity right then and there he loves her and she's perfect no matter what. Silco's main redeeming qualities is that he 1) wanted independence for Zaun and 2) he loved Jinx with all his heart no matter what. You can critique his methods in doing both those things, but those things are simply truth.
@@LangkeeLongkee I disagree. Sometimes it's better to forget your trauma, maybe, but Jinx was clearly unable to. Trying to forget it, and failing, messed her up badly. The only way for her to get over it was to face it. That was made pretty clear. It's a running theme throughout the show that Jinx never really grew up beyond the moment she accidentally killed her family and joined Silco. This is shown thematically quite a bit, like in her child-like weapon designs and drawings that haven't changed in style at all since she was young. It's even shown directly in the Jinx/Ekko fight. Ekko learned from their past play fights and adjusted his strategy to beat Jinx, whereas she did the exact same thing she did when they were kids and lost because of it. Jinx's desire to forget her past is valid and might even be a good thing if it were possible, but it doesn't seem to be. And even if it's a valid desire, it's not necessarily a feeling that she should accept. Just because something is valid doesn't make it a good thing. In the same way, just because Silco accepts Jinx the way she is doesn't mean that the way she is, is alright. She needs a certain degree of fixing, or she'll never be able to interact in a healthy way with anybody. That's the tragedy of Jinx's character, though. She Jinxes everybody she cares about and works with, whether or not she means to. The same way she accidentally killed her family in the beginning, she accidentally killed her new father in the end and destroyed any chance at the independence that he sacrificed so much for.
In a traditional story-telling way, that ending is an ending and not a cliffhanger. Of course, with a coming next season, there will be outcomes and characters and the possibilities of who survived and what it will mean to the almost-peace and Mel's mom's affirmation that war is coming... yeah, lots of things that feel like not being resolved. But this portion of the story ended exactly as a story primarily about Jinx would - with her timing and actions doing it *again*. And I super appreciate you guys' takes - the undercity not being a college track, and assuming everyone you meet is doing their best, etc. This show is so human, with no bright line between the "bad" and "good" guys - so much of people doing their best from their perspectives and backgrounds. So good.
I personally hate this argument cause something can be a cliffhanger and still tie up other story beats. Every episode ends in a cliffhanger but obviously stories were tied up in different episodes. These ideas can coexist.
@@LangkeeLongkee Very true. I could remove that portion of my comment, actually. My main point being that Jinx's story had that characteristic and tragic resolution that just happened to involve all the unknowns. Good point.
“in the pursuit of great we failed to do good” - Viktor "It's not enough to give people what they need to survive, you have to give them what they need to live" - Ekko These 2 have the best quotes in the entire season.
1. Creators said there is NO BAD CHARACTERS in Arcane. Each of them have their own complex back ground stories, goals, and right things. U guys thought Mel uses Jayce but nop, she truly wants to progress and peace of Piltover. 2. 16:18 Silco isn't just BAD GUY. He accept Powder cuz he sympathize about abandoned by once he was thought family(Vander/Vi). In officially, he truly loved Jinx more than anything even don care about nation of Zaun. He never used her for some kind of pawn. And also, even in radical way, He developed Zaun that could comapared with upper city. Even in radical way. Compared it when Vander is alive. That is why he is the most loved character in Arcane. Not like Joffrey lol 3. Jayce is playable character, Viktor is playable, and Arcane is prequel stories of many champions so they DON DIE. And also, There are some facts about Mel's golden accessories; She is child of Noxian warlord, and didnt take off those gold accessories even when she going to sleep, Background of final scene covered by red light, but its shining golden light unnaturally So, probably Mel survived
Silco isn’t pure evil, but he is a villain. Just our opinion on that. We get the character gets a lot of love from community. But no one has properly convinced us he is a good person 🤗
silco didnt want to torture jinx with vi, he wanted vi to stop making jinx remember all the memories that have been torturing her all her life. thats why he took the gun and tried to shoot vi. The only thing he sais is "dont listen to her!"
Silco didn’t want to lose Jinx to Vi. He didn’t want Powder to come back. Silco had no idea what was going on in Jinx’s head. He kept saying jinx and him were the same and at no point did we see Silco dealing with demons in his head like Jinx does. So can reasonably assume that he didn’t know what Jinx was dealing with. He just wanted to kill Vi because she reminded him of Vander. She called her Vanders prodigy. So if Jinx is him and Vi is Vander, he wants to kill Vander all over again for his perceived betrayal. That’s just how we saw it though and love the different interpretations this show presents 😀😎🥳🤟
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 it's true there's definitely room for interpretation. I think silco was a bad guy through and through but not when it came to jinx, she's like his weak point; hence the line when hes talking to the vander statue "is there anything so undoing as a daughter?" and before i forget: absolutely love your reaction videos, feels like watching my favourite shows with friends which is great 🙂
@mel diz i absolutely agree, but i'm also convinced hes not just using jinx as a tool. he genuinely thinks of her as his daughter. There are just so many scenes in the show that show this. also don't forget whenever powder/jinx did something wrong everybody at one point blamed her, even vi couldnt help herself 1 time in ep.3 while silco's only response to jinx's mistake (that killed himi) was "don't cry, you're perfect" he doesnt push her away like everybody else did.
Arcane begins as it ends, excellently; at least for me, and as always with Jinx as the driving force of everything that happens. Viktor and Jayce's scene is a direct throwback to episode 2 with their roles reversed. I really like the conversation and what they decide to do from there. Good intentions, epiphany, but it's just too late. For his part, Slico has everything he's ever wanted, he's earned, as long as he's willing to sacrifice Jinx. Finally it becomes clear that his love for Jinx is genuine and that is precisely the end of him, in clear parallel with Vander. Jayce never haggles, he didn't in the first episode and he still doesn't in the end. Is a pact with the devil better than war? Jayce thinks so. But clearly there is room to think differently. In the end, VI's final fight is almost anecdotal and only serves so that Jinx can kidnap her more easily. From the beginning of the series and until the end Jinx has been the force that drives the plot and to which all the characters react and in the end it is clearer than ever. It was never clear to me why they needed the Undercity so I don't know why the council really cares. It is one of the few things that are not made clear in the series. In a way, the final scene with Jinx is a classic development but with a very different direction than usual. The character faces her traumas, her fears, her doubts in the definitive catarchic moment and overcomes them, accepting herself as she is and ceasing to be weighed down by the past. So Jinx accepts who and what she is. Instead of the classic evolution for the better. Jinx just accepts that Powler is no more and it's just Jinx. Which everyone, except VI herself and Jinx (who until the end was a bit in denial) already knew and had been saying throughout the series at all times. In the end, when peace was at hand, Slico's death and Jinx's terrorist attack put an end to all hope of peace. The story started with Powder and ended with Jinx.
The council probably used the undercity as a weapon of fear maybe? Follow the laws of Piltover because we protect you from ending up in the undercity, or, we have to make this law because it protects you from the criminals in the undercity. Politicians use fear a lot to get legislation passed and to get elected. It’s sad how effective it can be 😢
in the end Vi was saying jinx to remember about milo and clauger and Jinx trauma was affecting her hence why silco said "dont listen to her" and why silco tried to kill Vi because she was hurting Jinx, also the reason why he said "her name is Jinx" Vi doesnt recognize that she changed and still loves her young sister as powder but not this new version of her. The duality and psychological conflict is incredible in this show
He wasn't trying to torture her with Vi then. He was wrong but he was the only one in that room who understood that claggor, Mylo, and Vander were demons that haunted Jinx. When Vi sees Vander he's an angelic guide that imbues her with strength. When Jinx sees Vander he is a haunting and dead eyed visage. Silco didn't start physically fighting until he saw Jinxs mind being broken by Vi's reminders.
2:10 One minor shortcoming of Arcane is that because of its limited length certain aspects of the show was not fully explored, and is instead hidden in other league related media. Two of the best examples are Powder's relationship with Echo (Which is pretty much exclusively developed in the music video "Enemy". essentially since Vi and friends are older than powder, Powder usually hangs out with Echo back in the day, and they were very close), and the undercity's struggle under the Piltover system, a.k.a Silco's cause, which is heavily developed in the game's lore. In the game's lore, just like how in the first industrial revolution the pollution was so bad it kills, the pollution of the city of progress was even more deadly, and also Zaun exclusive, because it is "the bad part of the town that nobody cared about" So the piltovens dump their waste there, and also it is geologically lower so heavy chemical exhaust sink to the undercity naturally. The only way to change the status-quo was to stop being the "bad part of town that nobody cared about". Its near impossible to change the "bad" part because polluted chemical gas flows downward (i.e. to the undercity) naturally, but it is possible to change the "part of town", as-in becoming "Nation of Zaun" and not part of Piltover (Which is what Silco wanted to do), or the "Nobody cared about" part, by launching an all out attack to show the Piltovens that their neglection and oppression will have consequences (i.e. We'll show them). The horror that is Zaunite air quality is a defining characteristic of Zaun. When Silco said "river toxins eat through your nerve" and "Air so thick it clogs your throat", that was not a metaphore, that is a fact about undercity's air and water. Sadly, it is only hinted at in the show, but never explicitly shown. I will now list the parts of the show that showed what is Silco's cause. 1) The Masks of the enforcers are not just for show, Zaunite air is truly toxic, your life expectancy reduces by every breath. 2) How bad can the air be? Silco released a concentrated tank of air from the Zaunite mine, and people in the room started dying. Silco stuck to his cause and lived with the people of Zaun (and not in some green-house), so he can endure the air, hence the reason he doesn't chock without the mask. 3) What happens if you breath too much of it? The fact that victor is from the undercity and that he is dying to a failing lungs are no coincident. I think there's like a line of dialogue that mentioned he got it from breathing in Zaunite toxic gas. 4) Ep1, why does no-body even try and pick-up the bag of loot that dropped into the pond? because the river is toxic, you go in it for too long you end up with the same amount of eyes as Silco. (Hint: I made a grammar mistake, it's "eye").
You can actually see the moment that Jinx came into being at the end of episode 3, 'The Base Violence Necessary for Change', when Silco is hugging Powder and the focus is on her eye, and it's purple. Powder's eyes are grey, and after the time-skip her eyes are blue, but Jinx' eyes are purple.
One of my favorite callbacks of the entire series Ekko in episode 1 talking about Jayce: "He paid in gold and didn't even haggle" Silco in episode 9 after talking with Jayce: "All we ever wanted and the boy didn't even haggle"
That was a mighty familiar looking corpse Singed had hanging from his ceiling in that final cutscene of his lab. On the upside, Fortiche already had the engine and art set up for making another season, so they don't have to repeat the prep work they spent 6 years making. Also, I still can't believe they got Sting to perform the final scene. I like your outlook. As Heinlein once said: "Your enemy is never a villain in his own eyes. Keep this in mind; it may offer a way to make him your friend"
Jinx by name, jinx by nature. Everything she does has an unintentionally negative effect. She didn’t mean to kill Silco any more than she meant to kill Milo and Clagor and in avenging Silco with the supermegadeathrocket she is accidentally undoing everything he fought for. All because she accidentally misinterpreted what he said at Vander’s statue and obviously didn’t realise Silco saved her life. It’s all very tragic in a Shakespearean sort of way.
Also, from the very first episode Powder’s jinx is at play. She accidentally drops the crystal which causes the explosion but she also accidentally drops all the nails on the floor instead of putting them in the device and therefore it doesn’t work. She overhears the negative things Mylo says about her and then accidentally misses her sister defending her. She is very much cursed but the show makes this almost supernatural thing into more of how it manifests in reality.
I love what you said at the end... in the real world you don't know what people are going through! Things are never black and white. This is why I love Arcane so much, every character has deep and complex layers of motivation.. Silko, a villain but died as a "father" and willing to literally give up his whole life's ambition for his daughter... I also love Viktor, wanting to help the world but also in need to help "himself" There are so many things to talk about in Arcane.. can't wait for season 2!!
Glad you enjoyed the post watch discussion 😀 This show brings up so much and we didn’t even have time or were prepared to talk about all the different themes it presented 🙂
"Her name is Jinx." Which is true, like she said, she's changed.. and with that there is no going back, the very idea that Vi could "Have Powder back." by killing Caitlynn.. well.. things don't work that way, she killed Firelights without a bat of an eye, she killed enforcers in a terrorist attack, against Silco's wishes, without pause.. It's who she is, and Vi was unwilling to accept that, even though she saw it in that instant when she was going off against the battle with the Firelights. She was unwilling to accept her for who she was now, wanting back that little girl who doesn't exist any more, and that's what Silco spoke on. She was most likely prone to mental illness, even in the opening scene we saw those beginning scratches when she was a child, on the enforcer, on the faces of the dead, that starting cracks within her psyche that only would be cracked open by future events. You mentioned some are having to do terrible things to survive, which I think encapsulates Silco, at his very core he's trying in his way, to save the people of Zaun.. and the most tragic part of it I think.. is that he did.. until once again Jinx undid it all. Much like when Vi, Vander, Mylo and Claggor were free and had their escape route, she unwittingly brought ruin upon them.. ..Jinx once again brought ruin onto all of the Underground.. even without handing Jinx over as Jayce claimed, he already proposed the vote and they agreed to peace and elevating Zaun to it's own nation. This was Silco's goal, we know he's honest in that as he talks to Vander's statue.. there's no reason to lie or put on a show.. he had everything they ever wanted in reach.. but the request of turning in Jinx.. well for him, that was a bridge too far, he'd rather fight if that was the cost. "Was there ever something so undoing as a daughter?" Jinx of course.. took this all the wrong way, thinking she was once again being betrayed.
Jinx's kill count in this show is downright amazing. I never expected it. When I finished this episode the night it aired. If their had been witnessed that witness would have assumed I was extremely autistic. Literally rocking back and forth saying "Nononononononononononononono". I've been on the planet 43 years. This is the greatest show I have ever watched, and I have watched it a disturbing number of times.
Haha, reminds us of Barney in HIMYM talking about Johnny being the hero in Karate Kid 😀 And eventually that led to Cobra Kai so maybe we will get another series from Silcos perspective 🙂
I think the only people who will survive in that counsel room will be Viktor and Jayce, they might be hospitalised next episode or Viktor hexcore saves him somehow with Jayce being next to him him as well. Pretty sure Mel and Caits mum are dead, which will cause change in both Jayce and Cait. I'm looking forward to see how Vi and Cait become "Piltovers finest" and become the enforcer duo we all know and how they capture Jinx. I also am looking forward to how their relationship develops, they clearly have feelings for one another but it's not fully come about yet, looking forward to that 1st kiss lol Noxus will start coming into season 2 I reckon as well, the guy Mel's mother talks about is either going to be Swain (which would be incredible) or its Darius (less likely). In Zaun/Undercity in general I want to see more of the other characters, how does Singed become who he is in League from just the Dr. he is at the moment? Does Vander actually become Warwick as it's teased? How do the other chem-barons come into play? Will we see Urgot or even Renata Glasc? How will Viktor become who he is in League? Will any other League champions be referenced or maybe (god I hope) introduced in the series? I can't wait and I can't wait to see more of your reactions, I'll be here again in 1 or 2 years however long it will be :D
i think mel will also survive and become a really important character in season 2. she just seems to be the perfect character to connect the story together. also the white/yellow shining of her clothing before the impact of jinx's ulti looks really like a defensive spell like a Zonya's hourglass or sthg similar
Silco's love for Jinx wasn't twisted though. He wants to protect her. Vi attempted to bring back Powder (a sister that doesn't exist anymore), by forcing Jinx to remember the family she killed. For Vi, that family is an uplifting hopeful memory, but for Jinx, they are the demons that plague her very existense. Silco tried to stop Vi from inducing Jinx's trauma, not torture her. the one, who tortured Jinx, was Vi (even if it was done with good intentions). Jinx wanted Vi to love her, but Vi couldn't accept that she is Jinx, and that powder can't come back.
Animation series are longer to create than actual live action series, personaly i'm glad they are taking their time for season 2 , let's not forget they worked 5 years in the making of season 1
I saw Jinx crying because she killed the only person who loved her. Vi loves Powder, not Jinx. Vi wants Powder back and wouldn't be able to accept that Powder as she knew her is completely gone. Fucking heartbreaking.
The birth of Jinx. I just think with her finally being free we can find out who she really is. Jinx, with that shimmer in her, will never be weaker than anyone ever again. Now she can truly live just for her. Same thing with Vi. Vi now knows that Jinx is beyond her, so what will she decide to do? Also Viktor was in that room with the council and you can bet the magic in him won't let him die. So at least one person will survive, although I would also bet on Viktor somehow saving Jayce. I can't wait for season two as this world is so alive and there is so much more story to tell. Just wait till you get a load of Noxus.
Jayce and Viktor will gonna live, they have more lore to explore about them in next season if they go that route, aka Glorious Evolution and what is real progress
Arcane is one of those rare shows that doesn't talk down to its audience, doesn't overly rely on exposition and fully embraces show don't tell. It doesn't care if you're distracted by your phone, because if you are, you're going to miss things, and that's on you. The most interesting interpretation of the exchange between Vi and Jinx was this Jinx saying Vi had changed as well. What she meant was Vi can only love Powder... but Powder has evolved to become Jinx. So it's not that Vi has really changed, but that Vi will never love or accept Jinx. And it's true - Silco didn't create Jinx... Vi did when she punched and left Powder. Even though Vi regretted it and went back for Powder... it was her momentary abandonment that set Powder on the road to becoming Jinx. That's why Jinx sits in the Jinx seat and gives Vi that look. She realizes she's no longer and will never again be Powder and Vi has to accept that.
Despite being the "bad guy" of this show, Silco genuinely loved Jinx like a father no more, no less. The evidence is everywhere. He's unlike the purely evil villains of GOT like Jeoffrey and Ramsey though. He did not hesitate to accept Jayce's terms to shut down his shimmer production and give the gemstone back for his vision of freedom. In other words, he valued his dream of liberty for his city, more than his sources of power (shimmer and the gemstone). He valued freedom more than power itself. But even then, we saw that he was willing to give up his biggest dream of independence for Jinx. He even tried to lie to Jayce to cover for her, saying "that she was acting under HIS orders" (implying that he is the one they should to take in), but we know in ep. 4 she acted on her own when she bombed those 6 enforcers - he even got mad at her when he knew about it, as well as those in the bridge in ep. 7. In the scene with Vander's statue, when he was speaking, he was obviously being ironic. He poured a drink for Vander and said "I understand now." In other words, it went full circle, now he's in Vander's shoes - he now understands why he could not give up his daughters back then (which seemed cowardly in his eyes at the time), cause he himself couldn't give up his daughter now either despite being offered everything. In the end, even after getting shot, he wasn't even angry at all, all he had was words of fatherly love towards Jinx. His love for Jinx was not a twisted love, it was love indeed - it just so happens he didn't have the right parenting skills because of his own abandonment issues and ideas of revolution. We can conclude, that he loved Jinx more than anything in the world, more than the dream of his (which he used to claim that he would achieve no matter what - but that is no longer the case as we clearly saw). It's even more fascinating when we try to understand the perspectives and motivations of the villain and not just see them in terms of being "the bad guy", constantly doubting their intentions - we'll really learn to also sympathize with them. I myself really see his point of view. Frankly, many viewers got really emotional and teary-eyed, like me, when we watched Silco utter his last words to Jinx while he was dying - "Jinx is perfect." (We can't really blame her for becoming what she is cause I'm definitely sure none of us can comprehend the trauma she went through in just a short period of time - her family got killed and she was the direct reason of it cause she tried to save, and then it happened again with Silco by her hand again; I believe any of us would also be driven insane if we experienced that). He died because of his daughter, just as Vander died by that same daughter... Vander and Silco were the same in the end. Both were eager for war in the beginning (both did terrible things), and both loved their daughters more than anything (more than their goal) and died because of them (Powder). How Silco died was sort of his redemption in the story... So excited for the next season. 🥰
I liked Silco. He and Vander Shared their "Nation of Zhaun" But Vander couldn't do what they had in mind. Sure, he protected them but for many people wasn't that enough because they still were diseased, sick and while Piltover had everything and more. That was Silcos goal, to archive at least independence. Remember when they made a bloodbath in the Undercity? Vander chose endurance while Silco chose to fight back. So they both chose a wrong way but the only one they saw.
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 Didn't felt like a ruler. He really was like Vander, he just took different methods. I guarantee you, if Vander decided to fight, Silco would've just joined him, even after his betrayal. I mean, look at this: He loved Jinx so much that even after she shot him, he told her to not cry and that she's perfect. And that girl- how twisted that love may have been- was genuin and he struggled so hard between his Vision and his daughter. I think he really would've sacrificed everything, he already got in a worse and worse spot, just because of Jinx, he knew that and he didn't mind. So no, I don't believe that he was a ruler type.
I don't see this ending as a cliffhanger because this story is mainly focused on Jinx and Vi and how they became what they are at the present. Arcane is like a prequel, how Jinx became Jinx, how Vi ended up working on Piltover despite her hatred on them and how they ended up being enemies. I won't mind if they're not the main focus of the next season anymore because there's still so many champions and regions to be explored. But it's just me.
You running to check for season's 2 confirmation was so me when I finished it. Season 1 took 6 years so I think waiting until 2023 is not so bad... I'd love to watch it tomorrow omg but honestly, I just want them to give us this level of animation, script, almost perfection that we got here so... Take your time Riot I'll just keep watching these 9 episodes over and over
Haha yeah that was probably a pretty universal reaction to the end of this series. We also recorded these at end of 2021 so it felt like two years opposed to one even though it was just like a months difference 😂
I saw a comment somewhere that just sums up the last sequence so perfectly: "Powder killed Silco to save Vi. Jinx killed Powder to avenge Silco". Makes it all the more heartbreaking.
If it has not been said already, you guys should look up the Lore for Warwick who is a character in League. He was created by Singed out of a man who was thought to be dead(Vander) and Warwick within the game has a few memories of Vi and Jinx and remembers the screams of a little girl(Powder). This obviously has not been 100% confirmed yet but at the end of the episode we do see a wolf like create hanging in Singers lab.
This is late, but the character of Silco and the entire series is interesting to me. (First and foremost: Powder is a twisted child. She was a small child making inventions that would harm and murder people for fun/be helpful. She made the monkey bomb of all things on purpose with the intent to kill every "bad" guy in that room. Before she even took the dive as Jinx, Powder was a murderer right off the bat.) Silco is Zaun's only real hero, as Jayce is Piltovers. Pitchforks aside let's look at this rationally. Piltover's success as a city was massively due to the fact they subjugated and ruled over the undercity's mining colony down there. I don't know how people missed it, but the undercity was what it was not because of anyone but Piltover. The air is almost unbreathable as we saw with Silco's demonstration, and of course the fact Viktor's disease was born from it. The water is vile, its poor conditions. Without the improvements brought on by the Revolution years age, like air purifiers the place was a living nightmare where the lower class was extorted. Rewatch that scene in episode 7 with the Meeting. The Air literally killed the giant plants that were in the background. Vander stopped a revolution to take care of two kids, choosing their lives over the lives of thousands of people who would continue to live in poverty, and misery. He chose to have to teach kids how to steal to survive and how to defend themselves from people who wanted to hurt them literally daily. Silco? He never stopped fighting to be free from the oppression, and yes his methods were abhorrent but, I can't judge someone who lives in a city that is the definition of a third world country where people lie cheat and murder every day to survive. Silco never sold Shimmer, he took people who would easily become drug addicts, and most likely bandits, rapists, and neer'dowells and turned them into "Animal testing" so that the undercity would have a weapon to fight back with. Testing on humans is inhumane? So is being forced to be a murderer or thief to survive day to day life thanks to the lack of options given to you by your surroundings. Again, is it moral? Absolutely not, but neither is what they forced the Undercity to be. Shimmer was refined and able to be used in the soldiers that wanted to give Zaun its future. He says it plainly when the boy in the factory dies, that at least that kid devoted his life to a cause that would one day bring about change for Zaun, rather than against it. (By the way, for those of you jumping on the child labor scenario) Children in factories may seem weird by todays standards but in the Victorian Era it was very much common to see children as young as 12 working assembly lines in that time period. The works got paid, fed, and weren't slaves which was more than what could be said about other people growing up during that time. Silco also never manipulated Jinx. I think the audience forgets that we see things on both sides of the curtain. Vi abandoned Powder, and didn't show up for years, until the stone was stolen, and the first time we see Vi was with an Enforcer in Tow. Tell me that doesn't scream bad cop movie setup, when the sister of a known felon is brought along by law enforcement the exact moment its convenient. Marcus never told Silco Vi was arrested, he couldn't if he wanted to keep breathing. So as far as Silco would be concerned, See above. It doesn't look good on Vi at all. So Silco telling Jinx that her sister wasn't there for her, was rather reasonable given the evidence provided. "Silco could have been a better father and got Jinx Therapy" Why? Powder would have died in under two weeks being the way she was. Someone as soft as Powder wouldn't last long at all in that world. We steal or kill to survive in Zaun the way Piltover has forced their hand, remember? Honestly as twisted at it is, Jinx is the only reason Powder survived the way she did. Its Simliar to how Silco had to become hard after the Revolution when Vander hung up his gauntlets. Prior to that, he was seemingly just as soft. Btw, what healthcare do we send her to? The Voodoo Fish lady? Singe? Let's face it, there are literally no life lines in that city. You either grow up hard or you don't get to grow up. Special Credit: Silco threatening the guys kid? Again.. Perspective. Marcus works for the people who quite literally made this city the way it is. Dude works for the equivalent of Nazi's who made no less than 1/2 of their entire civilain workforce who was forced to move to the undercity to keep their jobs, into a concentration camp because of greed. Am I saying its right to threaten a kid? No, but her father shouldn't be working for the Nazi's to begin with. Silco's straight up a revolutionary that you would read about in any history book, and I do challenge you to find me one that gained victory over the government that subjugated their people with good thoughts, prayers and hope. They didn't, they had to make disgusting decisions few would, and go to lengths many wouldn't.
"I thought maybe you could love me [Jinx], like you used to [love Powder]..." Jinx just wanted Vi to accept and love her as Jinx the person, instead of clinging to the memory of Powder.
The funny thing about the final episode is that it isn't actually a cliffhanger. It answers most of the important main plot points that truly needed resolved at the end: Will Powder or Jinx win control? Jinx. Will the sisters reconcile? Doesn't look like it. Will Piltover and Zaun go to war? Unavoidably so. Who precisely in the council room dies? This is actually predictable to a good percentage, if you don't mind spoilers and accept some theories based on lore from the game world. Questions for season 2 include whoppers like... will the hexcore consume Piltover like Heimerdinger warned could happen? Anyone betting on a happy ending there? o.O
For me you hit it on the head. I didn't mourn Silco persay, but I did mourn the aspect of him that gave Jinx some semblance of solace and comfort in her tormented mind. He NEVER was a source of anguish for her until the very end, where he lied to her about Vi. And even then he only lied to her because he felt he would lose her. Not that this is an excuse, but it shows that even till the end his motives were pure in his mind regarding Jinx.
Vi is such a perfect little angel isn't she? Just so completely oblivious to the torment she's putting sweet innocent Powder through. So strange to run into a reaction where someone wasn't moved by Silco's perfect response to another accidental killing of her father figure. Instead of striking her and drawing blood in unrestricted rage, he gave Jinx exactly what she needed in the moment(and throughout the season really), the reassurance of unconditional love and acceptance despite the very fatal flaws. How is this "sick and twisted?"
Silco accepted this version of Jinx because it suits him. Because he sees himself in her. He doesn’t want what’s best for Jinx. How is being a psychotic murderer good for someone? Telling someone they are perfect when they need help isn’t love. And seeing that someone is conflicted isn’t being oblivious. Vi knows that Jinx is having trouble and conflicted and is trying to reach that part of her that might still be in there. Not giving up on someone. Believing in the best in them is love. Accepting someone for being the worst version of themselves is in our mind, sick and twisted love 🤗
Btw I wouldn't justify Silco either but you have to understand than in that part of the world the people would suffer whether it was by his hand or not. The Chembarons would be a thing with or without Silco and the criminal rates would be off the roof anyway in zaun but without Silco, Piltover would keep moving forward at the expance of Zauns wellbeing without anyone on the topside even being aware of it. Silco through the means that make us hate him sought to weaponize zauns wrath and put an end to this unjustice between topside and undercity even though, until the moment he dies at least, his actions have not been fruitful
To make it clear, this specific animation eats up a ton of time. I do 3D, 2D, and animation as a hobby. There's 3 reasons why it takes more time than normal industry animation. 1) Most of this is 2D. Meaning most is hand drawn. 2) They didn't use mo cap, they used key framing. This means you have to hand animate everything, lips, face, walking, punching, ect. 3) Also due to animation style you need very detailed story boards. This means the planning needs more time. This animation took 6 years. While you can say maybe half is the story planning. They started season 2 as soon as they finished 1. Because most of the planning is done except the key framing issue requiring details. Hell it was speculated one fight scene took 6 months to make.
Little fact/easter egg, the hextech hexcore have 4 runes when viktor is working on this, this runes are valor, domination, precition and Magic... On the Game exist 5 runes the last one is Inspiration, Sky is all about Inspiration for viktor and the hexcore only change when took Sky's life and complete the 5 runes... Sorry if My English is not good, hugs from Argentina
A large part of the drama involves the fact that Vi and Jinx see the past differently. Vi can't see anyone but Powder, but Powder only brings Jinx pain. Vi thought she was helping Jinx, but she was only further destroying her by bringing up all the people she felt responsible for killing.
Jinx has never truly dealt with her past or her trauma which is why it continues to haunt or and will continue to haunt her until she reflects on it and comes to grips with it. Bringing up the past, while painful, is necessary to move on. Otherwise, you turn into Jinx 🤗
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 Not always necessary, as we saw with her, the memories were only making her panic more. Reliving old trauma is not always necessary to move on, sometimes our brain will block memories of trauma because we'd be better off not remembering what happened.
silco absolutely loved jinx that was causes half his troubles in this entire series. him talking to vanders statute basically admitting he was wrong for calling Vander a coward when hes now in the same spot and making the same decision,.
Knowing that and practicing it are different though. We personally need to get better at implementing that philosophy in our day to day lives. But when watching shows, it’s fun to judge and misjudge characters 😂🤗
I think all along Jinx knew how this was going to end up, but really hoped she was wrong. "I really thought I had buried this place. Should have known better." (can't even do that right - assuming you realize this is the same area where Vander died to Jinx's monkey bomb) There isn't a scene in which Jinx doesn't ruin or undo everything her own team is attempting to accomplish in some way. And when she kills Silko with her own hand, it's pretty much cemented. She knew she was Jinx - the Jinx. Nothing works out for her. "You've changed too." - that one got me, I didn't understand it. Vi seems to be the one character who hasn't changed at all - her values seem to stay the same. If anything, she only gains a stronger resolve and a better handle on how to move forward to meet her goals (less "fight whoever for whatever" and more "this is my cause and what I'm willing to do for it"). But I saw a really good breakdown on 2 possibilities of what this might mean. 1) Vi hasn't changed, but is different from what Jinx remembers her as. Vi only had "eyes for her", loved no one else like she loved Powder. She chased monsters away and protected her and guided/encouraged her in every way. But now that they are face to face, Jinx sees who Vi's become as an adult, with more room in her heart for other people, and priorities. So in Jinx's mind, she's changed. 2) OR, it could be that Vi HAS changed. "Maybe you could love me like you used to." - unconditionally. The thought here is that the whole bit with the serving platter while talking about paying Cait a visit was a test. Vi's reaction told Jinx everything she needed to know - that indeed Vi thought she was monster enough to do the thing we all thought Jinx had done. "I'm not that heartless." - while said as a joke/gag, was also a direct shot at what Vi seemed to think Jinx was capable of. In that moment, Jinx knew Silko was right - in spite of Vi wanting Powder back, it would only be a day before Vi realized Powder was no longer there. I think this is my favorite interpretation. And finally, I saw someone mention somewhere that the crows seem to appear when Powder is "popping up" in Jinx's personality. So one could interpret the crows flying off when Jinx fired at Silko as that was the official "death" of Powder.
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 My brother is an aspiring screen writer working on his own Netflix show. We have history of breaking down stories together lol. Arcane did so much right, it almost hurts. I've been looking for a channel I could bounce these ideas off of lol. Thanks for reading!
One thing I did forget to mention - I noticed my second time watching through that in this episode's Selvika vs Vi scene, Vi actually finished that fight with her bare hand and NOT the gauntlets. The hand she yanked Selvika's metal hand off with and then grabbed her and swung her with was that bare hand. I thought that was a very clever nod to the fact that Vi didn't need the hextech, though they did help. And on the note of those guantlets - did you notice that Jinx used them as oven mitts at the dinner table scene when carrying the platter? Remember that the broken gauntlet was dead weight to Vi, it dragged her down and kept her from moving well, so she ditched it when she picked herself up. We also see how heavy they are when deactivated in the scene where Jayce powers them up for the first time - he carries it like dead weight on his hand until they power up, then he can move freely. So, Jinx using BOTH gauntlets as equal weight, efforrtlessly, as oven mitts is a very subtle but clever hint towards how strong Singed's resuscitation process had made her (later solidified with her sheer Shimmer-induced speed when she de-armed Cait). I really just can't get enough of all the little details...
That was all super intense. She is was the world has made her. It was fun with you guys, and see all your thoughts about it. After Cobra Kai, you might like to react to Legend of Vox Machina, when it is fully released (Episode 1-6 are out so far). It is really fun, but also dark and serious. Finally a true animated show that is not ment for kids.
While the ending is indeed a cliffhanger, this is a story of Jinx. Her last moments as Powder avenged her father(Vander) by killing Silco, and her first moments as Jinx is avenging her father (Silco) by attacking the council. As devastating as it is Jinx is truly independent now; this season wrapped up at least her origin story quite well.
Y’all talked about Jayce gaining points last episode, then he comes in and is willing to sacrifice control of half the city for the good of its citizens. Our boy is all grown up 😭
I love how Bethany kept being so sure in her predictions, the show proved her wrong, and yet she kept continuing to be so sure in her predictions lmfao. And yeah Kent has it correct with Silco loving Jinx. There's many forms of love in this wide world, to assume we understand them all is hubris.
"If he loved her he wouldn't have been torturing her with Vi just then" You misread that entirely. Vi was torturing Jinx. She was triggering her PTSD with every name, as Jinx BEGGED Vi to stop. Each snarling grafitti demon that appeared was because of Vi, and Vi would not stop hurting Jinx. She didn't give a fuck that Jinx was curled up in ball in agony, pleading with her to stop doing it, she just kept saying the names she thought would "bring Powder back" Meanwhile Silco saw Vi hurting Jinx. He told Vi to shut up. He told Jinx to stop listening to her. He knows she is haunted by her past, had tried to help her with the baptism to stop seeing her dead loved ones, and saw how those names were triggering her. The entire climax of that scene was him fnally shooting at Vi to stop her from continuing to hurt his daughter, and Jinx being so buried by the psychosis that she reactively defended her sister, before the clarity sinks in and she rushes to apologize (without even checking to see if Vi had dodged the bullet that hit where her head just was). You can clearly see each name hurt Jinx. It makes a point to focus on it, so you see exactly the harm Vi is causing. She says Mylo, and the demon Mylo appears. She says Claggor and another dead loved one appears (snarling, as per the subtitles) to torture her. Name after name she triggers Jinx's PTSD. One person was hurting Jinx, the other was trying to save her from the person hurting her, there's no "caught in the middle" going on here one person was clearly inflicting harm while the other was clearly trying to alleviate said harm. There is a clear aggressor, and it was Vi, whether she intended to or not. Jinx's entire final monologue reflects how she realizes that SIlco was right, that Vi wouldn't understand that she wasn't that girl (Powder) any more. Betrayed once again by her sister. Sting: "Whyyy don't you love who I am?"
Powder and Jinx always were the same person and that's why she is so broken. People who loved her could'nt accept her as a whole they just want a part of her. Vi wanted Powder the little child she once was and Silco want Jinx to forget Powder, her old self. No one truly accept her like she was and it's why she said this line to Vi while sitting on the Jinx chair. Also Silco truly loved Jinx like his daughter, she was his only child and seeing him abandoning his life long dream to save his daughter was truly so beautiful and heart breaking. It's not an healthy parenting at all because he was himself broken but it was not abusive and in the end, he didn't used her like a prop that could be sacrified. It's complex and beautiful and i really love how they treated their relationship. The complexity add to the empathy we have for every characters, no matter what they've done, it was always for a good cause. They're all doing bad and good things, some more than others but in the end, there is no true vile villain (execpt maybe Doctor Singed) Absolutly love watching your reacts videos is was so good!
I really loved following you guys through this journey. I like that they started setting up Season 2 items in this show in the 3rd Act. I mean... we got grown up Ekko and Mel's Mom in Act 3 so clearly, their stories were not going to be dealt with much in Season 1. I know it'd be nice to have gotten more of Ekko... but I think he clearly is going to be a major player in Season 2.
well , some people think vander is basically will turn into warwick the werewolf which is a game champion , since they kinda played Warwick's Hunt Music in vander scene in episode 3
12:10 Jinx: "Make her go away, please".
Remember that game Vi and Powder used to play when they were kids where Vi pretended to "chase the monsters away"?
Caitlyn is her monster.
Holy shit
Amazing. That's exactly it. The level of writing in this show man...
Good observation - I never thought of that
Holy crap, that makes so much sense! 🤯🤯🤯
Yup. It's very, very clever.
silco was never going to give jinx up, that was the point of him talking at vanders statue. he called vander a coward for letting go of the dream for the kids, now the tables have flipped and he gets it now since he raised jinx.
Is there anything more undoing than a daughter.
@@stevendeslauriers1369 Wdym?
@@matveyfeniya9979 It's just a quote from the show. (Silco said so while "talking" to the statue of Vander)
Jinx lost 3 dads, a mother, 2 brothers, a sister....all in less than 12 years. 4 of the 7 were her doing...I hold that the voice actors scream when she fires the rocket is the single best moment in the entire show...you feel all that loss, PTSD, psychotic break in that moment of a girl who just can't bottle that burden inside anymore.
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and Vi too...
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Silco saw that Jinx was in emotional pain when Vi was telling her to remember her friends and family. That's why he told her not to listen to Vi. Jinx also told Vi to stop as it was hurting her.
Taking into consideration how Silco grew up, loving Jinx as a daughter helped him grow as a character.
Vi was trying to get her sister back but didn't know how to use the right words
When silco says "the boy didn't even haggle." Remember, Ekko said the same thing about Jayce when he bought the stuff from Benzos with gold.
Nice callback 😀
Silco absolutely loved Jinx. There is no denying that. The way he was talking to Vander's statue and him finally understanding why Vander chose his "kids" over the undercity. The line "Oh it all makes sense now brother" is so perfect. Silco finally understood Vander and found new respect for him.
And to top it all off Silco ended up making the exact choice Vander made. He turned down the undercity's independence, the thing he was working for all his life for the sake of his daughter. It's such perfect and clever wrighting. And to be fair even though Vi had good intentions Silco was straight up spitting facts at the end there. He realized before anybody else that Vi would not accept Jinx for who she is. She only wanted Powder back and it's proven by how much she still calls her sister Powder and spends the entire third arc trying to get Powder back... not realizing that Powder is gone or at least needed to coexist with Jinx forever now. And I think that, part of the reason Vi is not able to accept Jinx is mostly because she is the reason Jinx was created in the first place.
As Jinx explained in the episode, as much as Silco would like to take credit for the creation of Jinx, it was not him but Vi that created her.
And becuase of that Vi feels extremely guilty and wants to undo her mistake. The shouting match at the end was when Silco realized that Vi continually trying to make her remember Vander and the past when she was Powder just ended up doing more damage than Vi realized. She was actually hurting her relive those traumatic memories and that's why Silco decided to shoot at Vi, to spare his daughter more pain. Once again, amazing writing and display of emotions by both Vi and Silco. There is a channel on youtube that did some pretty amazing breakdowns of these scenes between Jinx and Silco. As a therapist she was able to pick up so much interesting stuff between the two and their relationship. I highly recommend checking her videos out on this and you might gain a new perspective :) The video is called: Arcane: Silco and Jinx - Therapist Reacts! I highly recommend checking the video out even if you don't want to react to it I still recommend checking it out on your own time.
Oh man, I never considered the parallel to Vander in Ep. 1. But, it totally makes sense. I only saw Silco's constant discussion of loyalty, and the constant threat of the uppers to his dream. But, yeah, his daughter became the dream, just like the children became Vander's.
This show is so freaking beautiful.
@@3Kings_Industries Couldn't agree more :)
Thanks for the vid rec! 😀
very good analyzis. i wanna add taht the choice jinx gave vi between powder and caitlyn actually was a psychological test in my opinion. she did not want vi to shoot cait, she just wanted to hear that she accepts her as jinx. sadly vi did not get it, because she was focused on getting powder back
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 the name of the therapist is Georgia Dow. She actually breaks down nearly every relationship in the show. But, I'll agree, her analyses of Vi+Powder is great. So is her Vi+Kaitlyn
“ I thought you could love me like you used to, even though I’m different.” “ What makes you different makes you stronger dont ever forget that” the writing is excellent in this show.
Also "make her go away, please"
When Powder and Vi were played a game where Vi "chased monsters away"
Vi was actually the one torturing Jinx in that final scene, by calling up all her monsters she was destroying her psyche. Silco tried to stop Vi. Per the writers, Jinx had no awareness what she was shooting at, just reflexively reacted to the sound of a hammer striking on a gun (Silco DID shoot at Vi, she jerked her head to the side, there is a bullet hole in her chair)
Just don’t think Silco was trying to stop Vi from torturing Jinx. More like he didn’t want her to influence Jinx. He didn’t want to lose Jinx and so he wanted to kill Vi to take away any choice Jinx had to make 🤗
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 I think on a rewatch you might think differently. You see a lot more little nuanced things, like the fact Jinx clearly hand-made both a coffee mug on his desk, and his ashtray, as a little girl. The fact the shark gun has a scarred eye just like him. He really and truly loved her, even if the situation and her mental state made it a bit twisted.
Arcane was 6 years in the making and for me it makes sense when the quality of the series is this good.
As a player of League of Legends since its beta days, most of us players have been asking for a series/movie for 10 years and it was really satisfying that we get to see Arcane as a masterpiece rather than a rushed story . So yeah, I know it's such a long wait again for season 2, but I would rather wait than get disappointed.
Exactly! I'm ready to wait 5 more years to get such a good quality
Good call 😎🤟
@@anavrinmidia9735 Agree. It doesn't matter how long it takes, a rushed season 2 that lacks the same love and attention to detail we see in season 1 will be a horrible disappointment. In fact, a part of me doesn't want them to even try: I just can't imagine how it could possibly live up to this season, with such a high bar I feel like we're destined to be let down. Season 1, like Silco's view of JInx, is perfect.
@@anavrinmidia9735 it's not gonna take that long again for season 2 - it'll be 2 years tops. Most of the delay was finding the right people - not the actual writing or art of the project. All of that is established already. They alluded to this in the arcane interviews.
@@Vendrix86 I know but i'm saying that to not encourage the idea of rushing the people working on the show. If the pressure from the fanbase is too big, the compagnies will push their workers to rush the thing and sacrified quality. You can't rush employes to get this quality of animation.
You can see in the previous episode where Silco started to hesitate giving up Jinx that he truly loved her. Silco was angry with Vander because he gave up everything THEY believed in to protect his kids and after all that, when he is the closest to achieve his goals, he cant, because he understood Vander was right.
I think people fail to realize that Vander and Silco were Vi and Powder, Brothers that had the respect of the Lanes. But things happened and their moralities shifted to opposite ends, Just like their daughters.
Jinx didn't kill Silco on purpose, it was her reflexes, Silco wasn't trying to even shoot Jinx, you can see his bullet scraped Vi's shoulder, he was trying to shut her up. When Vi told Jinx to remember her family she saw them as monsters attacking her, those memories hurt her and Vi would never get to Powder that way and in the mean time SIlco wants Jinx to forget her past and be born anew just like he did.
This show is just full of bad turn of events.
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Also that thing you said "the path to hell is paved with good intentions" that's not Jayce, That 1000% Silco
Except we don’t believe Silco had truly noble intentions. What was his plan when Zaun was finally free? There would be an election and they would establish a democratic government and have equality for all? Or was he just going to rule everything? Probably the latter. Silco craved power. We’ve said it a bunch in other posts but that’s just because it is the most telling of all his quotes “power, real power….comes to those who will do anything to achieve it.” 🤗
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 Of course he would rule, just like Vander and Silco would rule if they actually won the war in the episode 1 flashback. There really arent any democracies in Runeterra, in most regions the people in power are the strongest, smartest, or born to rule. But Silco wants to break that, he would do anything to gain it, just like the quote says.
And at the end of the day the dream of becoming an independent nation is something that everyone in the underground wants, even little Poweder wanted to fight. at the end of the day Silco got the independence, Jinx just Jinxed it all.
Silco pulled a gun on Vi because Vi was bringing back traumatic memories for Jinx.
Vi was focused on bringing Powder back and not the current sister. She didn't accept Jinx for who she is unconditionally.
Whereas Silco accepted her in his own twisted way. He pulled the gun on Vi to stop Vi from breaking her down in that scene with Powder/Jinx kneeling with three chalkboard demons over her. That's all Vi hurting her to bring Powder back. We had that whole scene in Episode 5 I think where Silco brings Jinx to the water to be "reborn". It's that very scene that shows Silco trying to end her suffering in her identity crisis. Going back to the finale, he sees Vi bringing back her painful mental trauma. All of which we see the culminating effect towards Silco's death. He truly loved her in his twisted sense of fatherly responsibility, part of it using her as a weapon for his war and the other as a daughter he came to love.
I wouldn't call Silco an evil character at all. He was a desperate one. A character who would use any means for his people even if it meant sacrificing some of them in order to benefit the overall population of Zaun and break away from the oppression of Piltover.
Respectfully disagree, they made an exeptional and compelling villain, one of the best i've ever seen on screen, but he was, without a doubt, an evil person, you only need to go as far as shimmer production and distribution in zaun, how it made a great number of people mutated, disgusted with themself and desperate. To him all those people, all that suffering, weere means to an end, but they were his own people as he said.
No doubt his love for jinx was true, he saw himself into her, but evil persons can love too, they are not mutually exclusive concepts
Amazing how effective some emotional framing is to make people misjudge morals to that degree.
@@heinzerhardt7047 Sure.
As opposed to Silco, who created the "current sister" through turning her into a child soldier and murderer and having remained either oblivious or willfully blind to her deteriorating mental health. He wanted to kill Vi not because she was traumatizing her sister, but because she might get through to her - the same reason he had been trying to kill Vi for five episodes.
I agree that in that moment Silco was trying to protect Jinx. I absolutely believe he was trying to shoot Vi because Vi was (unknowingly) torturing her sister. And Silco loved her ultimately even more than his desire for the independence of Zaun (as seen by his line "is there nothing as undoing as a daughter").
What would be your definition of evil? Because here I definitely put Silco in the evil category. He distributed shimmer to finance his business/war, and he knew what that would do to people. He used child labor in those shimmer factories too. In episode 3 he waited for the kids to come rescue Vander so he could get rid of them as well. Certainly he was desperate, but that's not a strong enough statement to say he wasnt evil.
No they weren't kidding hahaha xD the ending everyone reacts the same way. Was a nice journey following you guys through this series! thanks for the reactions
This isn't a cliffhanger, btw - this is a perfectly valid ending to a complete story, a tragic cautionary tale with themes ranging from abuse and mental health, love and family, and a broad commentary on class. I almost wish they'd stop here.
Lmao they did us dirty with that ending
@@danh8804 It literally is a cliffhanger. While I get what you mean, it doesn't make the ending any less of a cliffhanger.
"a story or a situation that is exciting because its ending or result is uncertain until it happens"
"A cliffhanger is a situation or part of a play or film that is very exciting or frightening because you are left for a long time not knowing what will happen next. "
"a dramatic and exciting ending to an episode of a serial, leaving the audience in suspense and anxious not to miss the next episode."
A story can also end completely with a cliffhanger. Ending with a cliffhanger doesn't mean it's not a perfectly valid ending to a complete story, idk why you think cliffhanger contradicts that.
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@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 Um I had an advice to you if want more like Arcane, its Attack on Titan. Its a good anime and asks them if they want you to react for ATTACK ON TITAN S1-4. Can u ask them guys?
as a bit of context to WHY Arcane S2 won't be coming before 2023, and why it is coming "this early"
- the first season of Arcane has been in production since 2015 (6 years), in that time span, they had to : hire producters, artists, script writers because they had absolutely no experience of running a show at all. That delayed things considerably, especially in 2018 when after Fortiche finished the first episode, the whole script got back in the US for re-writing (Fortiche did make KDA clips and the Rise music video during that break). The script was written for season 1 and 2 all at once, so that part is basically done
- Fortiche started out with 1 studio of about 20/30 people when they started working on Arcane in 2015, the company is now composed of 200+ animators and artists, scattered between 3 studios, 2 in France and 1 in Spain. In other words : if it took them a while to animate the first episodes, it was much quicker for the later ones, without seeing a loss in quality, so we can expect the 2nd season to be animated pretty quickly compared to season 1.
- The show was intended to get released in 2020, but they got delayed because of Covid. Now this isn't an issue anymore.
Things that are still in the pipeline for S2 to be animated : dubbing, and soundtrack recording. They most likely started to work on this in 2021, so if it gets released in 2023, that would mean a production time of about 2 years, not counting the script.
If 2 years can deliver the same level of quality as the first season, I'm more than happy to wait an additional year. At least it won't go like the Witcher wich went from average to big meh despite having 2 years of waiting between the seasons 😄
Haha, yes as long as they keep delivering quality then they can take their time indeed 😇
You slowly realize through the series that silco care a lot about jinx, she is problematic but he keep her, he encourage her inventions and he trust her so much that she been the one doing his eye treatment, at the end he ended like vander, giving everything up to protect his daughter. Jinx loved him because he saw her as jinx as what she feels being not as the little girls she was.
The song isn't only jinx talking, it is the whole undercity, zaun is the monster piltover created
Silco ways of getting the undercity to be independent were wrong, but that’s why hetchmen and Sevika was loyal to him unlike vander, Silco had a vision for the the underground while vander kept things in check yes but sadly eventually people would’ve wanted more then just protection.and the status quo.
Silco even said himself “you’d die for the cause but you won’t fight for one?”
"It's not enough to give people what they need to survive (Vander). You need to give them what they need to live (Silco)." - Ekko
Vander would fight for a cause, he wouldn't kill of tell other people to die for it. That's what he learned that day on the bridge.
“Power, real power….comes to those who will do anything to achieve it” Silco. notice he doesn’t talk about freedom here. At no point in the show does Silco show any interest in the lives of anyone outside his own. He cares for Jinx but that’s someone in his life. He sees himself in her. When he says she’s perfect, that’s because he believes that he is perfect. Silco wasn’t trying to setup a democracy in undercity. He just wanted to run his own city his own way and gain true power. Just our interpretation of the character though 🤗
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 that’s fair
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 Totally agree
"He wouldn't have tortured Vi just then"
Vi..kind of tortured Jinx though...Saying the names that haunted her, sure she didnt understand what she was doing, But Silco DID. Silco saw his daughter being tormented in extreme pain, and lifted a gun to Vi because he was absolutely desperate to stop Jinx from feeling that pain.
What Vi did was like making unknowingly loud explosion sounds next to a solider suffering from massive ptsd.
Silco may not have been the best guy, or even best dad. He loved her though. He was even willing to risk his relationship with her, despite how much he loved her, just to get Vi to stop putting her in so much pain.
Sometimes too, I think the community has this "Holier than thou" opinion of Vi compared to Jinx.
But Vi..is not that great of a person either. She callously spoke of a child murdered in front of Jayce, and even he at that moment showed much more humanity than Vi did. Vi also abandoned her on the bridge in episode 7. She could have told Ekko to go with Caitlyn. She had not even uttered a word to Jinx. Silence. The worst thing you can do to someone suffering. I dont think Vi abandoned her in episode 3, as she was yanked away by Marcus, but let's not pretend walking away (even for a moment) was excusable. Leaving a little vulnerable girl having a full blown mental breakdown by the carcass of their dead father figure and bloodied friends. Even if it was just for a minute..thats..not okay. Yes I understand she was a kid, as was Powder.
I also understand that current Vi is no hero. She is not a good person, but it is not intentional. She is not malicious intentionally or bad on purpose. A good person title like that belongs to Caitlyn (who might arguably be the only *good* person in the show) It seems that Vi realizes this too, but continues to make the same mistakes. Both Vi and Jinx are irreparably fucked up in completely different ways.
In the end, she couldn't let go of Powder, and because of that put Jinx in tremendous pain. She held on to this image in her head of her bond with Powder, and in turn rejected Jinx. She could not love her the same.
JInx saw that. It broke her. Over and over again.
Silco is a morally gray character. His unconditional love towards Jinx, and even his goal is nothing but noble. It is the way he achieves his goals that makes it less so, hence gray.
These defenses of Silco are genuinely f'd. Silco has the most power, wealth, and status of anyone in the Undercity, so let's not pretend he probably couldn't have gotten his surrogate daughter (become so because he had literally killed everyone left who might have taken care of her, and Marcus arrested Vi as she rushed back to her side) some kind of help for her mental health instead of raising her like a child soldier.
He tried to kill Vi for the same reason he tried to kill her in Ep 5 and after - because she was a threat to Jinx's loyalty to him.
@@danh8804 Well the problem with the mental health argument is that this is not a current day society where we have tolerance for those with mental issues. Especially where a rumor of having mental problems can easily make you an outcast. Just remember Jayce's mom trying to save him from the council by saying he is mental. In all honesty, for everything that happens it's so realistic when you take a step back and just look at the environment this all happens in.
Vi hasn't seen her since the day they died so she had no idea how much those deaths affected her. She also was never around when she had those mental outburst like the day she went to save Vander. Plus I think whatever they did to revive her only worsened her mental health.
@@danh8804 Zaun and Piltover don't have modern views on mental health.
@@danh8804 Silco does a ton of messed up stuff in the series, but I think the argument of "getting her daughter help for her mental health" is a little bit out of touch with the reality of the undercity and Its inhabitants. It's not about money, It's about developing a culture fit for handling mental issues. Expecting that of Silco (or anyone in an environment of power struggles and gang wars), is like expecting Ambessa Medarda not to educate Mel like a merciless warlock.
In fact, right now in the real world, most parents won't take their kids to a professional to help with their mental issues. Not because they have ill intentions, but because they don't look at these issues as something that needs medical attention. This is not good for the child, but you can't just blame their parents for living in a society that encourages that kind of behavior. We're not just individuals living in the void, we're part of a collective that shapes a big part of what we are. Take Vander for example. He's a good guy, yet he trained his kids to be burglars and do "jobs" for him.
Id love to point out one thing why Silco said to Jinx that she is perfect. In his eyes, she is what Zaun is, a person who managed to grow up, through that harsh place, though hard times, the place and time they lived in, and in the end managed to become something greater.
Silco maybe didn't manage to see his nation of Zaun, but he did see living embodiment of Zaun in her, the last thing he saw was A free girl full of fun and strength who can fight for herself, his daughter, daughter of Zaun
“in the pursuit of great we failed to do good” - viktor, sums up the show
Absolutely. And the human condition as well, which is why this show so seriously resonates.
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They *were* working on Season 2 before releasing Season 1. The first season took 6 years to create. You gotta be patient for Quality.
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When Silco was betrayed by Vander he build walls to keep everyone out, but when he saw Powder crying, broken, betrayed he realized that he wasn't alone he open himself up to her gave her comfort, he truly loved her and he wouldn't have given her up for Zaun.
Silco truly loved Jinx as herself whereas Vi was stuck in wanting Powder who Jinx is not anymore. Vi was the one actually torturing Jinx by keep calling her Powder.
Silco wanted Jinx. He didn’t want Powder. Both Vi and Silco made Jinx choose between the two instead of accepting that she could be both. And Yes Vi brought up the past. But when suffering from trauma you eventually need to deal with that trauma. Jinx has never been able to deal with it or get over it. Silco has been okay with that because it makes her angry and like him. But he doesn’t truly care about what is best for Jinx/Powder. Acceptance isn’t love. Silco in the end told Jinx she was perfect, does anyone think that’s true? Nobody is perfect but this is far from the best version of herself. Plus Silco kept saying how they were the same person so really in the end he was telling himself that he was perfect because that is what he had to believe in order to do all the terrible things he did for his “cause”. Just our opinion on the matter though and we know it’s not the most popular one 🤗😇
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 I'm curious, where did you see that Silco "kept saying" that Jinx was like him ? I don't recall any of that, and I didn't see a glimpse of Silco feeling like he's perfect himself. And yes, acceptance is not love, but I can't imagine how one could doubt he loved her like a daughter when you see his reaction after she blows herself up with Ekko.
I hardly disagree (only my opinion of course) on you saying that Silco doesn't truly care what is best for Jinx. If he didn't, why did he take so much effort to find Vi and kill her after he learnt that she wasn't dead? The moment in ep6 where he fails to kill her is the only time in the show where he's actually in rage... why is it so important for him? One could say that it was only to make sure that Jinx continues to work for him... except that she's always doing her own stuff anyway (that sometimes even make things worse for his enterprise). No, the only rational reason is that he believes Vi would only make Jinx feel worse if she came back. He strongly believes that Jinx needs to put the past behind in order to feel better (hence the scene of "baptism" in the water earlier). Of course you can argue that it's not healthy for her, but he believes it is, and that shows how much he cares for her. His whole discussion with Vander and the decision of not giving her up for his nation of Zaun also shows that.
I like to say that this show is fundamentally about how things can escalate just because everyone has a very narrow and self-centered perception of reality. Every character, in all the story lines, follow this theme. And Silco is the same with Jinx : like most loving dads, he thinks he knows what is best for Jinx based on his own perception of life, shaped by his own past.
There's on top of that an interesting discussion to have on whether Powder is still here or not. For me it is clear that Powder "evolved" into Jinx, like a child evolves into an adult. There is no Powder anymore left from ep4 already, it is only a memory that is tourmenting Jinx. In this interpretation, when Silco says to her that she has to let Powder die, it's not because he wants her to "choose" Jinx over Powder, but to let her past behind her. In that sense, Silco is the one loving Jinx for who she truly is at the present moment, and when he says "you're perfect" it's not about Jinx VS Powder, but about his daugther as a whole. On the contrary, Vi cannot accept who Jinx became and is only torturing Jinx by always reminding her that she shouldn't be who she's "supposed" to be.
Man, Sevika is such a badass. Other then main cast she is definetely my favourite character. She works for a mob boss, but she breaks the stereotype of "treacherous leutenant". I mean she literally saved her boss at the cost of her own arm in episode 3. And her giving advice to Silko when he wanted to go look for Jinx? I feel like she liked her (reminds me of "dad dint want a cat, now dad cant live without a cat" idea).
And yeah, she had a super arm and she was juiced up on Shimmer, but she still held her own against Vi who had prototype hextech gloves. I cant believe im saying this, but i was rooting for her in her last fight with Vi
Also - Sevika didnt double cross Vander? She just lived in undercity, so Vi assumed she worked for Vander. Her first scene in show was her disagreeing with Vander. I 100% think she never pretended to be loyal to Vander
Part of the beauty of Arcane is that the characters don't fulfill the typical tropes. Sevika is actually a heroic character of sorts, particularly in the first leg of the series.
Vander is a character who performs some heroic acts, but actually has a non-heroic position.
Silco is a character who performs some villainous acts, but actually has the heroic position.
What is Vander's position? "I would rather live life on my knees than risk being put on my back".. or more to the point "I would rather live life on my knees so my children have an opportunity to live life on their knees"
What is Vander's arrangement with Greyson? Basically the same arrangement that Hillside has with the Whisperers in The Walking Dead... that is.. know your place, stay in your lane, and we won't have to come in here and put heads on pikes. That is not the heroic position.
What is Silco's position? "I would rather risk being put on my back than live life on my knees"... the classic heroic position. He is also correct, in fact. We just saw ONE scrawny weakling dumbass kid slaughter the sheriff and a squad of her enforcers.. by himself. If that isn't an equalizing element, I don't know what would be. An actually good fighter on shimmer, Vander.. later kicks that kidmonster's ass like he is nothing, after starting out literally dying, so imagine how many enforcers HE could have taken on by himself. Silco is correct that it is at least worth a shot to use that new advantage to try to finally get under the oppressive boot of Piltover.
Sevika already knows herself what Silco later says to Vander: The only way the undercity ever possibly wins its freedom is through STRENGTH and violence, because that is all the enforcers seem to respond to (This turns out to be 100% correct in the end, when their violent confrontation convinces Jayce.. echoing what Silco said.. they didn't need to win, just SCARE them). That's why she calls Vander weak, because he lacks the intestinal fortitude to do what needs to be done to free them all, in her eyes. So, when Sevika realizes all of this in the first leg of the series, that Vander is what is standing between the undercity and its freedom from Piltover, she moves to support the person with the HEROIC position, which is Silco.
But then Vander and his kids screw everything up, blowing up the shimmer, and the lab, and weakening their position again. Who knows what kind of deals Silco had to make to get it going again, how many of the dedicated people in that facility that were preparing for war died in the explosion, and, by the time he was "ready" again, I'm sure the clamor for war that had boiled up because of the oppressive search for Vi and crew had died down in the undercity. So, instead of being a general using shimmer as a weapon in a war supported by all the lanes, he becomes a gangster using it to maintain power in the undercity, which is now just right back at its own throat, as usual.
Silco is a very complicated character…I think he really did love Jinx and would never have given her up no matter what.
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Silco was my favorite character. He was a perfect villain and he's final words were also perfect. Loved Arcane it was brilliant and I think it might be my favorite show just after the one season.
"Why did you swallow a whole, peeled orange in one go?! "
"I'M DOING THE BEST I CAN"
Thank you for this, this shall now be my defense, even in court
😂 happy we could help 😜
The moment where Silco died is when Powder died completely and Jinx was born. Also no worries about missing Arcane season 2 is already in development.
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This ending is soo good Vi failing Jinx’s questions. The revealing of fishbones with the red moon and Jinx using her ultimate super mega death rocket. I was screaming while crying. I can’t wait for season 2!
All jinx wanted was to be loved regardless of whether she was Powder or Jinx.
Vi wanted her sister Powder.
Silco wanted his daughter Jinx.
In the end, she chose to be a daughter over a sister, but saved her sister rather than her father.
This show is a masterpiece
Just saw this reaction a little late and I think the biggest thing; was her launcher "Fishbones" is not a monkey. It's a sea monster. When Silco was talking to Singed, he mentions his love for the sea and it's monsters. She made the launcher for him to use. Not her. And when she starts crying shimmer you can hear "We'll show them, We'll show them all.." (In Silco's voice) made it clear to me that she was crying over Silco's death. Cause this moment (Firing the rocket) was for him. Not her.
Edit: And the fact that the current discussion at the counsel is about peace, and under city's independence; what they always wanted. And Jinx's "interruption" to say lightly, is the final jinx that she brings. (What could of been..)
"It doesn't say when in 2023. It could be 2 years. C'mon, expedite this!"
2 years is expediting it. The first season of Arcane started production back in 2014 and was scheduled for a 2020 release that got delayed until the end of 2021. That's 6.5 years. Granted, they now have the model assets for the characters that they didn't have at the beginning, and they already have the voice acting cast selected for characters that will be returning. But 2 years is still going pretty fast for something like this.
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This show is just a Masterpiece!! Love the characters and the development and the story
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That ending still makes my eyes tear up,
not because of it's a cliffhanger, but because of how Silco showed how much he loved Jinx and how it broke Jinx when he died.
Killing Silco was Powder's last move. And bombing the council was Jinx's first move.
And Jinx didn't die, it is just her weapon firing.
Powder, as a member of Silco's crew is basically revolutionaries fighting for Zaun's independence. Her entire arc is about her trying to figure out who she is (Powder or Jinx). Powder attacking the council to start a war is basically her accepting herself as Jinx.
The character writing is so good that I only felt happy about one death. It was Finn's.
Vi, while well meaning, was only making the problems worse. Her attempts to "get through" to Jinx were just reminders of her trauma, and making her panic, so she acted without thinking and immediately regretted it. Vi was stuck in prison for so long, the only memories she really had to hold on to were those of the people they used to know, those were good memories for Vi. But after all that had happened with the explosion, those are only bad memories for Jinx. Those old friends are her voices, the ones that torment her. But Vi has no way of knowing this, so when she thinks she's helping by shouting out all these names, she's really just rehashing old trauma.
And all Silco did was tell Jinx not to listen to Vi, he didn't torture her. He was a bad man, sure, but he truly loved Jinx as his daughter. He pulled the gun because he knew Vi was just tormenting Jinx with those memories.
Vi has been stuck in prison, so the only memory of her sister she has is someone who doesn't exist anymore. Vi doesn't love Jinx, she loves Powder, but Powder is gone, and she can't accept that. And it makes sense that she wouldn't have been able to at first, since those memories of her sister were all she had all those years in prison. But it's like Jinx said "I thought maybe, you could love me like you used to, even though I'm different, but you changed too." Vi can't accept Jinx for who she is now, she can't love her like she used to because she loves Powder.
I think the exact opposite. The entire time that Jinx was with Silco, he was constantly pushing her to forget her past, which was the opposite of what she needed. It haunted her so much that bottling it up turned her into a schizophrenic mess. What she needed to do was face her past, accept her part in what happened, and learn to move past it. Vi did what she was supposed to in reminding Jinx of the family she killed, whether or not she knew what she was doing. It just came too late to make a difference.
He was always blatantly or subtley manipulative, and was responsible for a lot of the mental anguish that Jinx suffered. You can argue that he loved her, but that doesn't change the fact that he was bad at handling her issues and ultimately did far more harm than good to her.
I don't think Vi would have an issue accepting Jinx as long as she could refrain from constantly trying to kill her love interest and random civilians. That's not a high bar to hold someone to.
People are very forgiving toward Silco, but he was a monster. He doesn't deserve all the sympathy.
@@Goomsies Oh yeah, she definitely had problems that should have been dealt with. Though it definitely would have been harder as her issues are something that you would need a lot of therapy to work through, and I doubt that there are therapists in the setting of the show. But in that moment, it wasn't helping her, it shouldn't have been done in that kind of a situation. The stakes were too high, and it wasn't safe to rehash all that trauma in that moment for her, as we saw the consequences of that happening. Don't make the person holding the gatling gun panic I think would be the best approach in that moment. And as another commenter had said, Jinx was who she needed to be in that moment, her memories of Powder were what were making her panic. They probably don't have the same mental health care as we do, so without a proper way to actually deal with her issues the best thing in my opinion is whatever keeps her the most stable.
Edit: As someone pointed out as well, you don't need to relive traumatic moments to get better, and schizophrenia isn't something that just comes about from bad parenting, if you're schizophrenic it'll develop whether your parents are good or not.
But I also have to think about some things that might have made talking to her easier. There are things that show she can't accept her sister as "Jinx" and not Powder. The fact that she never once calls her Jinx, despite Jinx telling her multiple times that's what she wants to be called. I saw it more as reclaiming the name Jinx and giving it a new meaning, but since Vi's last memories of speaking to her sister were calling her a jinx, she likely can't see it that way. Being able to comfort her means she would have to be considerate of the things that make her comfortable, one being just calling her Jinx, which wouldn't have been hard to do and would have shown more acceptance on her part, which probably would have made talking to Jinx easier.
(Also, sorry for the long response, I genuinely enjoyed reading what you said and I wanted to give it a proper response with all my thoughts)
@@kokitrees7394 Yeah, I understand that there was no real way out for Jinx in that situation. It was always going to end badly, one way or another. But my thinking is that if we can consider there to be any way out at all, no matter how unrealistic, then it was by facing those issues she'd been trying to forget about right in that moment. Do or die. It's not fair to force that on someone who didn't have any form of mental support, but that was the only way she was going to come out of that dinner party somewhat sane.
Not to say that's what should have happened. The story wouldn't be nearly as compelling or realistic if she just snapped out of it like that. I guess what I'm trying to convey is that Silco was more in the wrong than Vi in this situation. Remember, she only met up with her sister twice after the time skip: Episode 6 before the firelight fight and episode 9, the dinner party scene. She didn't have the time to realize just how different Jinx's personality had become. She got a brief insight while watching her fight the firelights, but the non-Powder qualities that she saw in Jinx were basically all bad. Asking Vi to accept someone as they are when they can't even handle her having a separate relationship without trying to kill that person is impossible.
And while Silco's love for Jinx might seem unconditional, (which comes with its own problems) it's not. He can't accept Powder, the same way Vi can't accept Jinx. If Jinx ever went back to the person she was with Vi, maybe building another family to be a part of, he wouldn't have been able to handle it. Her story mirrored his so closely that he saw himself as an example for her to follow. The issue is that he accepted his role as the bad guy, destroying his own community with drugs in an attempt to reach his ultimate, arguably noble, goal of gaining independence for Zaun. If Jinx turned into a better person than him and left the cause, it would prove that he might have taken the wrong path.
@@Goomsies you're missing a lot. Vi lives in the past. No. She couldn't accept Jinx because Jinx wasn't Powder.
And yes Silco did manipulate Jinx at times but he did not make her a "schizophrenic mess" things like that don't develop cause of parenting. No matter who raised her and how happy her life bad been she would have still developed those issues. Silco did do harm, but to say he did more harm than good is a stretch. He gave her the best he could, it wasn't good enough, but it's not like he didn't help her at all.
You don't have to relive and embrace your trauma to move on, that is a MYTH. SOME people do that, but your brain sometimes blocks out traumatic memories for a reason, because sometimes it is better to just forget it and move on. Notice after he baptised her the next time we see Jinx she is COMPLETELY fine. She's working, she's listening to her music, she's undisturbed, she's vibing. Clearly his methods, DID help her.
Edit: also you are just wrong. His entire point as a character was that he loved her no matter what. Remember, prior to episode 6, Powder to both Silco and Jinx was just a manifestation of her pain. None of it mattered her entirely family, including Vi, was dead. None of that mattered, reliving that helped her in no way. Silco would not have made her Jinx, firstly she said so herself, and secondly he had no reason to. She was still a lose cannon, she still caused him more problems than helped him, but he loved her.
And when he does, when she was battling whether to become Powder or stay Jinx, what does he say to her in her final moments? "You're perfect." Not JINX is perfect. YOU'RE perfect, as in whether she's Jinx, Powder, or she came up with a new identity right then and there he loves her and she's perfect no matter what. Silco's main redeeming qualities is that he 1) wanted independence for Zaun and 2) he loved Jinx with all his heart no matter what. You can critique his methods in doing both those things, but those things are simply truth.
@@LangkeeLongkee I disagree. Sometimes it's better to forget your trauma, maybe, but Jinx was clearly unable to. Trying to forget it, and failing, messed her up badly. The only way for her to get over it was to face it. That was made pretty clear.
It's a running theme throughout the show that Jinx never really grew up beyond the moment she accidentally killed her family and joined Silco. This is shown thematically quite a bit, like in her child-like weapon designs and drawings that haven't changed in style at all since she was young. It's even shown directly in the Jinx/Ekko fight. Ekko learned from their past play fights and adjusted his strategy to beat Jinx, whereas she did the exact same thing she did when they were kids and lost because of it.
Jinx's desire to forget her past is valid and might even be a good thing if it were possible, but it doesn't seem to be. And even if it's a valid desire, it's not necessarily a feeling that she should accept. Just because something is valid doesn't make it a good thing. In the same way, just because Silco accepts Jinx the way she is doesn't mean that the way she is, is alright.
She needs a certain degree of fixing, or she'll never be able to interact in a healthy way with anybody. That's the tragedy of Jinx's character, though. She Jinxes everybody she cares about and works with, whether or not she means to. The same way she accidentally killed her family in the beginning, she accidentally killed her new father in the end and destroyed any chance at the independence that he sacrificed so much for.
In a traditional story-telling way, that ending is an ending and not a cliffhanger. Of course, with a coming next season, there will be outcomes and characters and the possibilities of who survived and what it will mean to the almost-peace and Mel's mom's affirmation that war is coming... yeah, lots of things that feel like not being resolved. But this portion of the story ended exactly as a story primarily about Jinx would - with her timing and actions doing it *again*. And I super appreciate you guys' takes - the undercity not being a college track, and assuming everyone you meet is doing their best, etc. This show is so human, with no bright line between the "bad" and "good" guys - so much of people doing their best from their perspectives and backgrounds. So good.
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I personally hate this argument cause something can be a cliffhanger and still tie up other story beats. Every episode ends in a cliffhanger but obviously stories were tied up in different episodes. These ideas can coexist.
@@LangkeeLongkee Very true. I could remove that portion of my comment, actually. My main point being that Jinx's story had that characteristic and tragic resolution that just happened to involve all the unknowns. Good point.
“in the pursuit of great we failed to do good” - Viktor
"It's not enough to give people what they need to survive, you have to give them what they need to live" - Ekko
These 2 have the best quotes in the entire season.
Victor will anyway bring "the glorious evolution!"
First one is our favorite ☺️
Still amazed at how they cramped so much into this episode and still made all of it work
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They were working on Season 1 for six years. Quality takes time!
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1. Creators said there is NO BAD CHARACTERS in Arcane. Each of them have their own complex back ground stories, goals, and right things. U guys thought Mel uses Jayce but nop, she truly wants to progress and peace of Piltover.
2. 16:18 Silco isn't just BAD GUY. He accept Powder cuz he sympathize about abandoned by once he was thought family(Vander/Vi). In officially, he truly loved Jinx more than anything even don care about nation of Zaun. He never used her for some kind of pawn.
And also, even in radical way, He developed Zaun that could comapared with upper city. Even in radical way. Compared it when Vander is alive.
That is why he is the most loved character in Arcane. Not like Joffrey lol
3. Jayce is playable character, Viktor is playable, and Arcane is prequel stories of many champions so they DON DIE.
And also, There are some facts about Mel's golden accessories; She is child of Noxian warlord, and didnt take off those gold accessories even when she going to sleep, Background of final scene covered by red light, but its shining golden light unnaturally
So, probably Mel survived
Silco isn’t pure evil, but he is a villain. Just our opinion on that. We get the character gets a lot of love from community. But no one has properly convinced us he is a good person 🤗
silco didnt want to torture jinx with vi, he wanted vi to stop making jinx remember all the memories that have been torturing her all her life. thats why he took the gun and tried to shoot vi. The only thing he sais is "dont listen to her!"
well he wanted her to finish off cait.... don't forget that :)
Silco didn’t want to lose Jinx to Vi. He didn’t want Powder to come back. Silco had no idea what was going on in Jinx’s head. He kept saying jinx and him were the same and at no point did we see Silco dealing with demons in his head like Jinx does. So can reasonably assume that he didn’t know what Jinx was dealing with. He just wanted to kill Vi because she reminded him of Vander. She called her Vanders prodigy. So if Jinx is him and Vi is Vander, he wants to kill Vander all over again for his perceived betrayal. That’s just how we saw it though and love the different interpretations this show presents 😀😎🥳🤟
@@dontbeafool3636 well he obviously wants to get rid of the enforcer ;)
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 it's true there's definitely room for interpretation. I think silco was a bad guy through and through but not when it came to jinx, she's like his weak point; hence the line when hes talking to the vander statue "is there anything so undoing as a daughter?"
and before i forget: absolutely love your reaction videos, feels like watching my favourite shows with friends which is great 🙂
@mel diz i absolutely agree, but i'm also convinced hes not just using jinx as a tool. he genuinely thinks of her as his daughter. There are just so many scenes in the show that show this. also don't forget whenever powder/jinx did something wrong everybody at one point blamed her, even vi couldnt help herself 1 time in ep.3 while silco's only response to jinx's mistake (that killed himi) was "don't cry, you're perfect" he doesnt push her away like everybody else did.
Arcane begins as it ends, excellently; at least for me, and as always with Jinx as the driving force of everything that happens.
Viktor and Jayce's scene is a direct throwback to episode 2 with their roles reversed. I really like the conversation and what they decide to do from there. Good intentions, epiphany, but it's just too late.
For his part, Slico has everything he's ever wanted, he's earned, as long as he's willing to sacrifice Jinx. Finally it becomes clear that his love for Jinx is genuine and that is precisely the end of him, in clear parallel with Vander.
Jayce never haggles, he didn't in the first episode and he still doesn't in the end. Is a pact with the devil better than war? Jayce thinks so. But clearly there is room to think differently.
In the end, VI's final fight is almost anecdotal and only serves so that Jinx can kidnap her more easily. From the beginning of the series and until the end Jinx has been the force that drives the plot and to which all the characters react and in the end it is clearer than ever.
It was never clear to me why they needed the Undercity so I don't know why the council really cares. It is one of the few things that are not made clear in the series.
In a way, the final scene with Jinx is a classic development but with a very different direction than usual.
The character faces her traumas, her fears, her doubts in the definitive catarchic moment and overcomes them, accepting herself as she is and ceasing to be weighed down by the past. So Jinx accepts who and what she is. Instead of the classic evolution for the better. Jinx just accepts that Powler is no more and it's just Jinx.
Which everyone, except VI herself and Jinx (who until the end was a bit in denial) already knew and had been saying throughout the series at all times.
In the end, when peace was at hand, Slico's death and Jinx's terrorist attack put an end to all hope of peace.
The story started with Powder and ended with Jinx.
The council probably used the undercity as a weapon of fear maybe? Follow the laws of Piltover because we protect you from ending up in the undercity, or, we have to make this law because it protects you from the criminals in the undercity. Politicians use fear a lot to get legislation passed and to get elected. It’s sad how effective it can be 😢
in the end Vi was saying jinx to remember about milo and clauger and Jinx trauma was affecting her hence why silco said "dont listen to her" and why silco tried to kill Vi because she was hurting Jinx, also the reason why he said "her name is Jinx" Vi doesnt recognize that she changed and still loves her young sister as powder but not this new version of her. The duality and psychological conflict is incredible in this show
LOL everyone on the ending. The line that got me in this episode VI "Are we alone" Jinx "For now"- "Maybe for Ever"
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He wasn't trying to torture her with Vi then. He was wrong but he was the only one in that room who understood that claggor, Mylo, and Vander were demons that haunted Jinx. When Vi sees Vander he's an angelic guide that imbues her with strength. When Jinx sees Vander he is a haunting and dead eyed visage. Silco didn't start physically fighting until he saw Jinxs mind being broken by Vi's reminders.
2:10 One minor shortcoming of Arcane is that because of its limited length certain aspects of the show was not fully explored, and is instead hidden in other league related media. Two of the best examples are Powder's relationship with Echo (Which is pretty much exclusively developed in the music video "Enemy". essentially since Vi and friends are older than powder, Powder usually hangs out with Echo back in the day, and they were very close), and the undercity's struggle under the Piltover system, a.k.a Silco's cause, which is heavily developed in the game's lore.
In the game's lore, just like how in the first industrial revolution the pollution was so bad it kills, the pollution of the city of progress was even more deadly, and also Zaun exclusive, because it is "the bad part of the town that nobody cared about" So the piltovens dump their waste there, and also it is geologically lower so heavy chemical exhaust sink to the undercity naturally.
The only way to change the status-quo was to stop being the "bad part of town that nobody cared about". Its near impossible to change the "bad" part because polluted chemical gas flows downward (i.e. to the undercity) naturally, but it is possible to change the "part of town", as-in becoming "Nation of Zaun" and not part of Piltover (Which is what Silco wanted to do), or the "Nobody cared about" part, by launching an all out attack to show the Piltovens that their neglection and oppression will have consequences (i.e. We'll show them).
The horror that is Zaunite air quality is a defining characteristic of Zaun. When Silco said "river toxins eat through your nerve" and "Air so thick it clogs your throat", that was not a metaphore, that is a fact about undercity's air and water. Sadly, it is only hinted at in the show, but never explicitly shown. I will now list the parts of the show that showed what is Silco's cause.
1) The Masks of the enforcers are not just for show, Zaunite air is truly toxic, your life expectancy reduces by every breath.
2) How bad can the air be? Silco released a concentrated tank of air from the Zaunite mine, and people in the room started dying. Silco stuck to his cause and lived with the people of Zaun (and not in some green-house), so he can endure the air, hence the reason he doesn't chock without the mask.
3) What happens if you breath too much of it? The fact that victor is from the undercity and that he is dying to a failing lungs are no coincident. I think there's like a line of dialogue that mentioned he got it from breathing in Zaunite toxic gas.
4) Ep1, why does no-body even try and pick-up the bag of loot that dropped into the pond? because the river is toxic, you go in it for too long you end up with the same amount of eyes as Silco. (Hint: I made a grammar mistake, it's "eye").
Just love how everyone ends it and thinks, "nononono, I want more" sksksk
Mark of a great show 🤩😍
You can actually see the moment that Jinx came into being at the end of episode 3, 'The Base Violence Necessary for Change', when Silco is hugging Powder and the focus is on her eye, and it's purple. Powder's eyes are grey, and after the time-skip her eyes are blue, but Jinx' eyes are purple.
Good call on the eye change 🙂
One of my favorite callbacks of the entire series
Ekko in episode 1 talking about Jayce: "He paid in gold and didn't even haggle"
Silco in episode 9 after talking with Jayce: "All we ever wanted and the boy didn't even haggle"
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Ella Purnell is the voice actress for Jinx. She's also in YellowJackets and Army of the Dead.
No way! Yellow jackets was a good show as well 😀
That was a mighty familiar looking corpse Singed had hanging from his ceiling in that final cutscene of his lab.
On the upside, Fortiche already had the engine and art set up for making another season, so they don't have to repeat the prep work they spent 6 years making. Also, I still can't believe they got Sting to perform the final scene.
I like your outlook. As Heinlein once said: "Your enemy is never a villain in his own eyes. Keep this in mind; it may offer a way to make him your friend"
Great quote 😀
Jinx by name, jinx by nature. Everything she does has an unintentionally negative effect. She didn’t mean to kill Silco any more than she meant to kill Milo and Clagor and in avenging Silco with the supermegadeathrocket she is accidentally undoing everything he fought for. All because she accidentally misinterpreted what he said at Vander’s statue and obviously didn’t realise Silco saved her life.
It’s all very tragic in a Shakespearean sort of way.
Also, from the very first episode Powder’s jinx is at play. She accidentally drops the crystal which causes the explosion but she also accidentally drops all the nails on the floor instead of putting them in the device and therefore it doesn’t work.
She overhears the negative things Mylo says about her and then accidentally misses her sister defending her.
She is very much cursed but the show makes this almost supernatural thing into more of how it manifests in reality.
I have read this some where, Powder's last act was to kill Silco, and Jinx's first act is to avenge him.
That quote about keeping free from judgement has me feeling all sorts of things 😭 It’s beautiful.
🥲🤗 glad you enjoyed it. 😊
That reaction is always classic "No!"
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I love what you said at the end... in the real world you don't know what people are going through! Things are never black and white. This is why I love Arcane so much, every character has deep and complex layers of motivation.. Silko, a villain but died as a "father" and willing to literally give up his whole life's ambition for his daughter... I also love Viktor, wanting to help the world but also in need to help "himself" There are so many things to talk about in Arcane.. can't wait for season 2!!
Glad you enjoyed the post watch discussion 😀 This show brings up so much and we didn’t even have time or were prepared to talk about all the different themes it presented 🙂
"Her name is Jinx." Which is true, like she said, she's changed.. and with that there is no going back, the very idea that Vi could "Have Powder back." by killing Caitlynn.. well.. things don't work that way, she killed Firelights without a bat of an eye, she killed enforcers in a terrorist attack, against Silco's wishes, without pause.. It's who she is, and Vi was unwilling to accept that, even though she saw it in that instant when she was going off against the battle with the Firelights. She was unwilling to accept her for who she was now, wanting back that little girl who doesn't exist any more, and that's what Silco spoke on.
She was most likely prone to mental illness, even in the opening scene we saw those beginning scratches when she was a child, on the enforcer, on the faces of the dead, that starting cracks within her psyche that only would be cracked open by future events.
You mentioned some are having to do terrible things to survive, which I think encapsulates Silco, at his very core he's trying in his way, to save the people of Zaun.. and the most tragic part of it I think.. is that he did.. until once again Jinx undid it all. Much like when Vi, Vander, Mylo and Claggor were free and had their escape route, she unwittingly brought ruin upon them.. ..Jinx once again brought ruin onto all of the Underground.. even without handing Jinx over as Jayce claimed, he already proposed the vote and they agreed to peace and elevating Zaun to it's own nation. This was Silco's goal, we know he's honest in that as he talks to Vander's statue.. there's no reason to lie or put on a show.. he had everything they ever wanted in reach.. but the request of turning in Jinx.. well for him, that was a bridge too far, he'd rather fight if that was the cost. "Was there ever something so undoing as a daughter?" Jinx of course.. took this all the wrong way, thinking she was once again being betrayed.
Jinx's kill count in this show is downright amazing. I never expected it. When I finished this episode the night it aired. If their had been witnessed that witness would have assumed I was extremely autistic. Literally rocking back and forth saying "Nononononononononononononono". I've been on the planet 43 years. This is the greatest show I have ever watched, and I have watched it a disturbing number of times.
It’s a show you have to watch multiple times to pick up everything. 🤩
I was also frightened by the brutal speed from Jinx that not even Caitlyn noticed 13:30
Yup 😯😨
Vi is such a good villain. It will be interesting to see were they take her in season 2.
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Villain?!? 😭😭😭 what
@@addieeeson Yeah, the selfish person with no regards for the consequences of her actions, working against the Protagonist Jinx.
@@AlexanderForsman Not a villain, I’m sorry you view her that way.
Haha, reminds us of Barney in HIMYM talking about Johnny being the hero in Karate Kid 😀 And eventually that led to Cobra Kai so maybe we will get another series from Silcos perspective 🙂
I think the only people who will survive in that counsel room will be Viktor and Jayce, they might be hospitalised next episode or Viktor hexcore saves him somehow with Jayce being next to him him as well. Pretty sure Mel and Caits mum are dead, which will cause change in both Jayce and Cait.
I'm looking forward to see how Vi and Cait become "Piltovers finest" and become the enforcer duo we all know and how they capture Jinx. I also am looking forward to how their relationship develops, they clearly have feelings for one another but it's not fully come about yet, looking forward to that 1st kiss lol
Noxus will start coming into season 2 I reckon as well, the guy Mel's mother talks about is either going to be Swain (which would be incredible) or its Darius (less likely).
In Zaun/Undercity in general I want to see more of the other characters, how does Singed become who he is in League from just the Dr. he is at the moment? Does Vander actually become Warwick as it's teased? How do the other chem-barons come into play? Will we see Urgot or even Renata Glasc? How will Viktor become who he is in League? Will any other League champions be referenced or maybe (god I hope) introduced in the series?
I can't wait and I can't wait to see more of your reactions, I'll be here again in 1 or 2 years however long it will be :D
Haha, we look forward to going on another journey with everyone in season 2 🥳🥳
i think mel will also survive and become a really important character in season 2. she just seems to be the perfect character to connect the story together. also the white/yellow shining of her clothing before the impact of jinx's ulti looks really like a defensive spell like a Zonya's hourglass or sthg similar
Silco's love for Jinx wasn't twisted though. He wants to protect her. Vi attempted to bring back Powder (a sister that doesn't exist anymore), by forcing Jinx to remember the family she killed. For Vi, that family is an uplifting hopeful memory, but for Jinx, they are the demons that plague her very existense. Silco tried to stop Vi from inducing Jinx's trauma, not torture her. the one, who tortured Jinx, was Vi (even if it was done with good intentions). Jinx wanted Vi to love her, but Vi couldn't accept that she is Jinx, and that powder can't come back.
Animation series are longer to create than actual live action series, personaly i'm glad they are taking their time for season 2 , let's not forget they worked 5 years in the making of season 1
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I love Bethany's relieved face when she realizes that Jinx killed Silco and not Vi. :D
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I saw Jinx crying because she killed the only person who loved her. Vi loves Powder, not Jinx. Vi wants Powder back and wouldn't be able to accept that Powder as she knew her is completely gone. Fucking heartbreaking.
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The birth of Jinx. I just think with her finally being free we can find out who she really is. Jinx, with that shimmer in her, will never be weaker than anyone ever again. Now she can truly live just for her. Same thing with Vi. Vi now knows that Jinx is beyond her, so what will she decide to do?
Also Viktor was in that room with the council and you can bet the magic in him won't let him die. So at least one person will survive, although I would also bet on Viktor somehow saving Jayce.
I can't wait for season two as this world is so alive and there is so much more story to tell. Just wait till you get a load of Noxus.
We look forward to exploring more of the cities and regions 😀🥳
Jayce and Viktor will gonna live, they have more lore to explore about them in next season if they go that route, aka Glorious Evolution and what is real progress
Arcane is one of those rare shows that doesn't talk down to its audience, doesn't overly rely on exposition and fully embraces show don't tell. It doesn't care if you're distracted by your phone, because if you are, you're going to miss things, and that's on you.
The most interesting interpretation of the exchange between Vi and Jinx was this Jinx saying Vi had changed as well. What she meant was Vi can only love Powder... but Powder has evolved to become Jinx. So it's not that Vi has really changed, but that Vi will never love or accept Jinx. And it's true - Silco didn't create Jinx... Vi did when she punched and left Powder. Even though Vi regretted it and went back for Powder... it was her momentary abandonment that set Powder on the road to becoming Jinx.
That's why Jinx sits in the Jinx seat and gives Vi that look. She realizes she's no longer and will never again be Powder and Vi has to accept that.
Despite being the "bad guy" of this show, Silco genuinely loved Jinx like a father no more, no less. The evidence is everywhere. He's unlike the purely evil villains of GOT like Jeoffrey and Ramsey though. He did not hesitate to accept Jayce's terms to shut down his shimmer production and give the gemstone back for his vision of freedom. In other words, he valued his dream of liberty for his city, more than his sources of power (shimmer and the gemstone). He valued freedom more than power itself. But even then, we saw that he was willing to give up his biggest dream of independence for Jinx. He even tried to lie to Jayce to cover for her, saying "that she was acting under HIS orders" (implying that he is the one they should to take in), but we know in ep. 4 she acted on her own when she bombed those 6 enforcers - he even got mad at her when he knew about it, as well as those in the bridge in ep. 7. In the scene with Vander's statue, when he was speaking, he was obviously being ironic. He poured a drink for Vander and said "I understand now." In other words, it went full circle, now he's in Vander's shoes - he now understands why he could not give up his daughters back then (which seemed cowardly in his eyes at the time), cause he himself couldn't give up his daughter now either despite being offered everything. In the end, even after getting shot, he wasn't even angry at all, all he had was words of fatherly love towards Jinx. His love for Jinx was not a twisted love, it was love indeed - it just so happens he didn't have the right parenting skills because of his own abandonment issues and ideas of revolution. We can conclude, that he loved Jinx more than anything in the world, more than the dream of his (which he used to claim that he would achieve no matter what - but that is no longer the case as we clearly saw). It's even more fascinating when we try to understand the perspectives and motivations of the villain and not just see them in terms of being "the bad guy", constantly doubting their intentions - we'll really learn to also sympathize with them. I myself really see his point of view. Frankly, many viewers got really emotional and teary-eyed, like me, when we watched Silco utter his last words to Jinx while he was dying - "Jinx is perfect." (We can't really blame her for becoming what she is cause I'm definitely sure none of us can comprehend the trauma she went through in just a short period of time - her family got killed and she was the direct reason of it cause she tried to save, and then it happened again with Silco by her hand again; I believe any of us would also be driven insane if we experienced that). He died because of his daughter, just as Vander died by that same daughter... Vander and Silco were the same in the end. Both were eager for war in the beginning (both did terrible things), and both loved their daughters more than anything (more than their goal) and died because of them (Powder). How Silco died was sort of his redemption in the story... So excited for the next season. 🥰
I liked Silco. He and Vander Shared their "Nation of Zhaun" But Vander couldn't do what they had in mind. Sure, he protected them but for many people wasn't that enough because they still were diseased, sick and while Piltover had everything and more. That was Silcos goal, to archive at least independence. Remember when they made a bloodbath in the Undercity? Vander chose endurance while Silco chose to fight back. So they both chose a wrong way but the only one they saw.
But what was Silcos vision of a Nation of Zaun? One where he rules, right? 😏 Not sure that’s much better 🤗
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 Didn't felt like a ruler. He really was like Vander, he just took different methods. I guarantee you, if Vander decided to fight, Silco would've just joined him, even after his betrayal. I mean, look at this: He loved Jinx so much that even after she shot him, he told her to not cry and that she's perfect. And that girl- how twisted that love may have been- was genuin and he struggled so hard between his Vision and his daughter. I think he really would've sacrificed everything, he already got in a worse and worse spot, just because of Jinx, he knew that and he didn't mind. So no, I don't believe that he was a ruler type.
I don't see this ending as a cliffhanger because this story is mainly focused on Jinx and Vi and how they became what they are at the present. Arcane is like a prequel, how Jinx became Jinx, how Vi ended up working on Piltover despite her hatred on them and how they ended up being enemies. I won't mind if they're not the main focus of the next season anymore because there's still so many champions and regions to be explored. But it's just me.
Valid points 🙂
You running to check for season's 2 confirmation was so me when I finished it. Season 1 took 6 years so I think waiting until 2023 is not so bad... I'd love to watch it tomorrow omg but honestly, I just want them to give us this level of animation, script, almost perfection that we got here so... Take your time Riot I'll just keep watching these 9 episodes over and over
Haha yeah that was probably a pretty universal reaction to the end of this series. We also recorded these at end of 2021 so it felt like two years opposed to one even though it was just like a months difference 😂
Silco wasn't the one hurting Jinx in that scene, it was Vi.
I saw a comment somewhere that just sums up the last sequence so perfectly: "Powder killed Silco to save Vi. Jinx killed Powder to avenge Silco". Makes it all the more heartbreaking.
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If it has not been said already, you guys should look up the Lore for Warwick who is a character in League. He was created by Singed out of a man who was thought to be dead(Vander) and Warwick within the game has a few memories of Vi and Jinx and remembers the screams of a little girl(Powder). This obviously has not been 100% confirmed yet but at the end of the episode we do see a wolf like create hanging in Singers lab.
We’ve been told to check out that cinematic before 🙂😯
This is late, but the character of Silco and the entire series is interesting to me.
(First and foremost: Powder is a twisted child. She was a small child making inventions that would harm and murder people for fun/be helpful. She made the monkey bomb of all things on purpose with the intent to kill every "bad" guy in that room. Before she even took the dive as Jinx, Powder was a murderer right off the bat.)
Silco is Zaun's only real hero, as Jayce is Piltovers.
Pitchforks aside let's look at this rationally.
Piltover's success as a city was massively due to the fact they subjugated and ruled over the undercity's mining colony down there.
I don't know how people missed it, but the undercity was what it was not because of anyone but Piltover. The air is almost unbreathable as we saw with Silco's demonstration, and of course the fact Viktor's disease was born from it. The water is vile, its poor conditions. Without the improvements brought on by the Revolution years age, like air purifiers the place was a living nightmare where the lower class was extorted. Rewatch that scene in episode 7 with the Meeting. The Air literally killed the giant plants that were in the background.
Vander stopped a revolution to take care of two kids, choosing their lives over the lives of thousands of people who would continue to live in poverty, and misery. He chose to have to teach kids how to steal to survive and how to defend themselves from people who wanted to hurt them literally daily.
Silco? He never stopped fighting to be free from the oppression, and yes his methods were abhorrent but, I can't judge someone who lives in a city that is the definition of a third world country where people lie cheat and murder every day to survive.
Silco never sold Shimmer, he took people who would easily become drug addicts, and most likely bandits, rapists, and neer'dowells and turned them into "Animal testing" so that the undercity would have a weapon to fight back with. Testing on humans is inhumane? So is being forced to be a murderer or thief to survive day to day life thanks to the lack of options given to you by your surroundings. Again, is it moral? Absolutely not, but neither is what they forced the Undercity to be. Shimmer was refined and able to be used in the soldiers that wanted to give Zaun its future.
He says it plainly when the boy in the factory dies, that at least that kid devoted his life to a cause that would one day bring about change for Zaun, rather than against it.
(By the way, for those of you jumping on the child labor scenario) Children in factories may seem weird by todays standards but in the Victorian Era it was very much common to see children as young as 12 working assembly lines in that time period. The works got paid, fed, and weren't slaves which was more than what could be said about other people growing up during that time.
Silco also never manipulated Jinx. I think the audience forgets that we see things on both sides of the curtain.
Vi abandoned Powder, and didn't show up for years, until the stone was stolen, and the first time we see Vi was with an Enforcer in Tow.
Tell me that doesn't scream bad cop movie setup, when the sister of a known felon is brought along by law enforcement the exact moment its convenient.
Marcus never told Silco Vi was arrested, he couldn't if he wanted to keep breathing. So as far as Silco would be concerned, See above. It doesn't look good on Vi at all.
So Silco telling Jinx that her sister wasn't there for her, was rather reasonable given the evidence provided.
"Silco could have been a better father and got Jinx Therapy"
Why? Powder would have died in under two weeks being the way she was. Someone as soft as Powder wouldn't last long at all in that world. We steal or kill to survive in Zaun the way Piltover has forced their hand, remember? Honestly as twisted at it is, Jinx is the only reason Powder survived the way she did. Its Simliar to how Silco had to become hard after the Revolution when Vander hung up his gauntlets. Prior to that, he was seemingly just as soft.
Btw, what healthcare do we send her to? The Voodoo Fish lady? Singe? Let's face it, there are literally no life lines in that city. You either grow up hard or you don't get to grow up.
Special Credit: Silco threatening the guys kid? Again.. Perspective.
Marcus works for the people who quite literally made this city the way it is. Dude works for the equivalent of Nazi's who made no less than 1/2 of their entire civilain workforce who was forced to move to the undercity to keep their jobs, into a concentration camp because of greed.
Am I saying its right to threaten a kid? No, but her father shouldn't be working for the Nazi's to begin with.
Silco's straight up a revolutionary that you would read about in any history book, and I do challenge you to find me one that gained victory over the government that subjugated their people with good thoughts, prayers and hope. They didn't, they had to make disgusting decisions few would, and go to lengths many wouldn't.
"I thought maybe you could love me [Jinx], like you used to [love Powder]..."
Jinx just wanted Vi to accept and love her as Jinx the person, instead of clinging to the memory of Powder.
The funny thing about the final episode is that it isn't actually a cliffhanger. It answers most of the important main plot points that truly needed resolved at the end:
Will Powder or Jinx win control? Jinx.
Will the sisters reconcile? Doesn't look like it.
Will Piltover and Zaun go to war? Unavoidably so.
Who precisely in the council room dies? This is actually predictable to a good percentage, if you don't mind spoilers and accept some theories based on lore from the game world.
Questions for season 2 include whoppers like... will the hexcore consume Piltover like Heimerdinger warned could happen? Anyone betting on a happy ending there? o.O
For me you hit it on the head. I didn't mourn Silco persay, but I did mourn the aspect of him that gave Jinx some semblance of solace and comfort in her tormented mind. He NEVER was a source of anguish for her until the very end, where he lied to her about Vi. And even then he only lied to her because he felt he would lose her. Not that this is an excuse, but it shows that even till the end his motives were pure in his mind regarding Jinx.
Vi is such a perfect little angel isn't she? Just so completely oblivious to the torment she's putting sweet innocent Powder through. So strange to run into a reaction where someone wasn't moved by Silco's perfect response to another accidental killing of her father figure. Instead of striking her and drawing blood in unrestricted rage, he gave Jinx exactly what she needed in the moment(and throughout the season really), the reassurance of unconditional love and acceptance despite the very fatal flaws. How is this "sick and twisted?"
Silco accepted this version of Jinx because it suits him. Because he sees himself in her. He doesn’t want what’s best for Jinx. How is being a psychotic murderer good for someone? Telling someone they are perfect when they need help isn’t love. And seeing that someone is conflicted isn’t being oblivious. Vi knows that Jinx is having trouble and conflicted and is trying to reach that part of her that might still be in there. Not giving up on someone. Believing in the best in them is love. Accepting someone for being the worst version of themselves is in our mind, sick and twisted love 🤗
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 I can just picture Silco's last words to jinx being ''Stop it,Get some help -Michael Jordan''
I think 1 or 2 years of waiting for the next season is kind of a relief, knowing that season 1 took about 6 years to complete. I can't wait though
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It took them 6 years to make Season 1... 2 years is a gift. :)
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Btw I wouldn't justify Silco either but you have to understand than in that part of the world the people would suffer whether it was by his hand or not. The Chembarons would be a thing with or without Silco and the criminal rates would be off the roof anyway in zaun but without Silco, Piltover would keep moving forward at the expance of Zauns wellbeing without anyone on the topside even being aware of it. Silco through the means that make us hate him sought to weaponize zauns wrath and put an end to this unjustice between topside and undercity even though, until the moment he dies at least, his actions have not been fruitful
To make it clear, this specific animation eats up a ton of time. I do 3D, 2D, and animation as a hobby. There's 3 reasons why it takes more time than normal industry animation. 1) Most of this is 2D. Meaning most is hand drawn. 2) They didn't use mo cap, they used key framing. This means you have to hand animate everything, lips, face, walking, punching, ect. 3) Also due to animation style you need very detailed story boards. This means the planning needs more time. This animation took 6 years. While you can say maybe half is the story planning. They started season 2 as soon as they finished 1. Because most of the planning is done except the key framing issue requiring details. Hell it was speculated one fight scene took 6 months to make.
😯🤯 That’s dedication to the cause 🤩
Little fact/easter egg, the hextech hexcore have 4 runes when viktor is working on this, this runes are valor, domination, precition and Magic... On the Game exist 5 runes the last one is Inspiration, Sky is all about Inspiration for viktor and the hexcore only change when took Sky's life and complete the 5 runes...
Sorry if My English is not good, hugs from Argentina
🇦🇷 🤗 Your English is good! Thanks for sharing that fun fact with us 😀🥳
A large part of the drama involves the fact that Vi and Jinx see the past differently. Vi can't see anyone but Powder, but Powder only brings Jinx pain. Vi thought she was helping Jinx, but she was only further destroying her by bringing up all the people she felt responsible for killing.
Jinx has never truly dealt with her past or her trauma which is why it continues to haunt or and will continue to haunt her until she reflects on it and comes to grips with it. Bringing up the past, while painful, is necessary to move on. Otherwise, you turn into Jinx 🤗
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 Not always necessary, as we saw with her, the memories were only making her panic more. Reliving old trauma is not always necessary to move on, sometimes our brain will block memories of trauma because we'd be better off not remembering what happened.
silco absolutely loved jinx that was causes half his troubles in this entire series. him talking to vanders statute basically admitting he was wrong for calling Vander a coward when hes now in the same spot and making the same decision,.
We could’ve told him he was wrong about Vander before he killed him 😂
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 sure but its called story arc hahahahaha
Thanks for pointing out that most people are just doing the best they can in that moment! More people need to view life like that.
Knowing that and practicing it are different though. We personally need to get better at implementing that philosophy in our day to day lives. But when watching shows, it’s fun to judge and misjudge characters 😂🤗
this series is just pure perfection
i feel soooo bad for powder man...
I think all along Jinx knew how this was going to end up, but really hoped she was wrong. "I really thought I had buried this place. Should have known better." (can't even do that right - assuming you realize this is the same area where Vander died to Jinx's monkey bomb) There isn't a scene in which Jinx doesn't ruin or undo everything her own team is attempting to accomplish in some way. And when she kills Silko with her own hand, it's pretty much cemented. She knew she was Jinx - the Jinx. Nothing works out for her.
"You've changed too." - that one got me, I didn't understand it. Vi seems to be the one character who hasn't changed at all - her values seem to stay the same. If anything, she only gains a stronger resolve and a better handle on how to move forward to meet her goals (less "fight whoever for whatever" and more "this is my cause and what I'm willing to do for it"). But I saw a really good breakdown on 2 possibilities of what this might mean.
1) Vi hasn't changed, but is different from what Jinx remembers her as. Vi only had "eyes for her", loved no one else like she loved Powder. She chased monsters away and protected her and guided/encouraged her in every way. But now that they are face to face, Jinx sees who Vi's become as an adult, with more room in her heart for other people, and priorities. So in Jinx's mind, she's changed.
2) OR, it could be that Vi HAS changed. "Maybe you could love me like you used to." - unconditionally. The thought here is that the whole bit with the serving platter while talking about paying Cait a visit was a test. Vi's reaction told Jinx everything she needed to know - that indeed Vi thought she was monster enough to do the thing we all thought Jinx had done. "I'm not that heartless." - while said as a joke/gag, was also a direct shot at what Vi seemed to think Jinx was capable of. In that moment, Jinx knew Silko was right - in spite of Vi wanting Powder back, it would only be a day before Vi realized Powder was no longer there. I think this is my favorite interpretation.
And finally, I saw someone mention somewhere that the crows seem to appear when Powder is "popping up" in Jinx's personality. So one could interpret the crows flying off when Jinx fired at Silko as that was the official "death" of Powder.
You bring up a lot of good points here 😀
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 My brother is an aspiring screen writer working on his own Netflix show. We have history of breaking down stories together lol. Arcane did so much right, it almost hurts. I've been looking for a channel I could bounce these ideas off of lol. Thanks for reading!
One thing I did forget to mention - I noticed my second time watching through that in this episode's Selvika vs Vi scene, Vi actually finished that fight with her bare hand and NOT the gauntlets. The hand she yanked Selvika's metal hand off with and then grabbed her and swung her with was that bare hand. I thought that was a very clever nod to the fact that Vi didn't need the hextech, though they did help.
And on the note of those guantlets - did you notice that Jinx used them as oven mitts at the dinner table scene when carrying the platter? Remember that the broken gauntlet was dead weight to Vi, it dragged her down and kept her from moving well, so she ditched it when she picked herself up. We also see how heavy they are when deactivated in the scene where Jayce powers them up for the first time - he carries it like dead weight on his hand until they power up, then he can move freely. So, Jinx using BOTH gauntlets as equal weight, efforrtlessly, as oven mitts is a very subtle but clever hint towards how strong Singed's resuscitation process had made her (later solidified with her sheer Shimmer-induced speed when she de-armed Cait).
I really just can't get enough of all the little details...
That was all super intense. She is was the world has made her.
It was fun with you guys, and see all your thoughts about it. After Cobra Kai, you might like to react to Legend of Vox Machina, when it is fully released (Episode 1-6 are out so far). It is really fun, but also dark and serious. Finally a true animated show that is not ment for kids.
Legend of Vox Machina is definitely coming after Cobra Kai 😀😎🤟 We keep hearing great things about it 😇
While the ending is indeed a cliffhanger, this is a story of Jinx. Her last moments as Powder avenged her father(Vander) by killing Silco, and her first moments as Jinx is avenging her father (Silco) by attacking the council. As devastating as it is Jinx is truly independent now; this season wrapped up at least her origin story quite well.
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Y’all talked about Jayce gaining points last episode, then he comes in and is willing to sacrifice control of half the city for the good of its citizens. Our boy is all grown up 😭
He really is. He stopped acting so impulsively. His line about not giving a shit what anyone else thought but Mel was priceless 😂
I love how Bethany kept being so sure in her predictions, the show proved her wrong, and yet she kept continuing to be so sure in her predictions lmfao. And yeah Kent has it correct with Silco loving Jinx. There's many forms of love in this wide world, to assume we understand them all is hubris.
"If he loved her he wouldn't have been torturing her with Vi just then"
You misread that entirely. Vi was torturing Jinx. She was triggering her PTSD with every name, as Jinx BEGGED Vi to stop. Each snarling grafitti demon that appeared was because of Vi, and Vi would not stop hurting Jinx. She didn't give a fuck that Jinx was curled up in ball in agony, pleading with her to stop doing it, she just kept saying the names she thought would "bring Powder back"
Meanwhile Silco saw Vi hurting Jinx. He told Vi to shut up. He told Jinx to stop listening to her. He knows she is haunted by her past, had tried to help her with the baptism to stop seeing her dead loved ones, and saw how those names were triggering her. The entire climax of that scene was him fnally shooting at Vi to stop her from continuing to hurt his daughter, and Jinx being so buried by the psychosis that she reactively defended her sister, before the clarity sinks in and she rushes to apologize (without even checking to see if Vi had dodged the bullet that hit where her head just was).
You can clearly see each name hurt Jinx. It makes a point to focus on it, so you see exactly the harm Vi is causing. She says Mylo, and the demon Mylo appears. She says Claggor and another dead loved one appears (snarling, as per the subtitles) to torture her. Name after name she triggers Jinx's PTSD. One person was hurting Jinx, the other was trying to save her from the person hurting her, there's no "caught in the middle" going on here one person was clearly inflicting harm while the other was clearly trying to alleviate said harm. There is a clear aggressor, and it was Vi, whether she intended to or not.
Jinx's entire final monologue reflects how she realizes that SIlco was right, that Vi wouldn't understand that she wasn't that girl (Powder) any more. Betrayed once again by her sister. Sting: "Whyyy don't you love who I am?"
Well there it is, the end of Season 1. Now we gotta wait at least another year for 2. Hopefully it'll be as quality as this
yeah I'm expecting it to be out on 2023, any earlier would be a good surprise
For me personally, they can take another 6 years as long as it's gonna be just as amazing as the 1st season.
@@AryaLux Honestly same. It gives me more time catch up with every other tv show and video game I've missed over the years.....the list is very long
They seem on point with their storytelling so have no doubts season 2 will be good whenever it comes 😇
Powder and Jinx always were the same person and that's why she is so broken. People who loved her could'nt accept her as a whole they just want a part of her. Vi wanted Powder the little child she once was and Silco want Jinx to forget Powder, her old self. No one truly accept her like she was and it's why she said this line to Vi while sitting on the Jinx chair.
Also Silco truly loved Jinx like his daughter, she was his only child and seeing him abandoning his life long dream to save his daughter was truly so beautiful and heart breaking. It's not an healthy parenting at all because he was himself broken but it was not abusive and in the end, he didn't used her like a prop that could be sacrified.
It's complex and beautiful and i really love how they treated their relationship. The complexity add to the empathy we have for every characters, no matter what they've done, it was always for a good cause. They're all doing bad and good things, some more than others but in the end, there is no true vile villain (execpt maybe Doctor Singed)
Absolutly love watching your reacts videos is was so good!
We agree with this perspective. She was both and we so many times in life we make people choose a side. 😢
Half way though 2024 and still waiting :( Loved the reactions to Arcane :)
I really loved following you guys through this journey.
I like that they started setting up Season 2 items in this show in the 3rd Act. I mean... we got grown up Ekko and Mel's Mom in Act 3 so clearly, their stories were not going to be dealt with much in Season 1. I know it'd be nice to have gotten more of Ekko... but I think he clearly is going to be a major player in Season 2.
Yep. They did a great job of leaving us wanting more 😊
well , some people think vander is basically will turn into warwick the werewolf which is a game champion , since they kinda played Warwick's Hunt Music in vander scene in episode 3