Weapon Durability? - Gray Zone Warfare

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  • Опубликовано: 13 дек 2024

Комментарии • 78

  • @rossburnham24
    @rossburnham24 9 дней назад +13

    Should have never implemented the durability aspect without a way to repair weapons.

    • @chiyeti
      @chiyeti  9 дней назад +2

      This was my thoughts exactly.. even if it was to slow down gameplay they could have accomplished this in many other ways by tweaking vendor stock, task rewards, loot tables, ect.

    • @TastyDizaster
      @TastyDizaster 9 дней назад +1

      I can't think of a single game that has a degradation system with no way to manage it.

    • @RiverSloth
      @RiverSloth 8 дней назад +1

      @@TastyDizaster they said they will have a way to repair stuff in the future, not just guns but armor/gear too (don't know if it's later seasons or could be this season but a later patch)

    • @RiverSloth
      @RiverSloth 8 дней назад +1

      I think it's a form of stress testing is all, create the most extreme case scenario (in this case no repairing allowed) and see how it affects gameplay such as player choices on which guns to buy; example do you go with cheaper platforms to try and save money.
      They said long ago when they've mentioned durability that they plan on allowing us to be able to repair guns and even armor/gear in the future. That being said, there are only 2 things for me which is 1, I'm more likely to just not be able to get my original gun/gear back when I die in the first place so I've never had to worry about weapon degradation in the first place. The 2nd thing is just go farm the "Tier 3" or "highest tier" zones (Midnight Sapphire, Fort Narith and Tiger Bay) and, if you know where the loot boxes are in those 3 zones (same as last season) then you can get really good gear. Haven't had to buy too much of anything yet, hardly done any quests and already have 50k; and no I'm not really that good at the game I only play PVE and I honestly die a lot so I lose a lot of gear.

  • @sdpy15
    @sdpy15 9 дней назад +6

    Half of me hates the idea of firearm and component durability, the other half understands where the devs were coming from.
    Just like armor, a gun and equipment gets in the way of bullets that are headed towards the player using them and are thus subject to be damaged in the firefight. However; the chance of actually having an unusable system after 3 or 4 of these encounters (ie: the player dying to AI/player damage) is remarkably low overall.
    Devs should implement a 3 stage durability mechanism: 1) armour, 2) firearm barrels/semi-auto uppers/suppressors, 3) attachments/equipment.
    1) Armour needs to break more easily based on a scan of hits, once it is compromised (based on the ammo shot at it) the integrity of the armour needs to fall off fast.
    2) Barrels, uppers, and suppressors need to have a round based lifespan, such that you are capable of swapping internals to expand the life of the system. Obviously scaling needs to be a thing and a good hard set point would be increasing .1 moa for every 1500-2000 rounds shot in semi-auto, .2 moa for every 1000 rounds shot in full auto, and 1 moa for every 500 rounds shot through bolt action. (No this is not realistic, but its a fair starting point to force players to focus on how many rounds they are sending down range).
    3) Attachments like optics, nvg's, lasers, and lights need to have the option to be repaired (based on a cool down system that prevents spamming). Attachments like fore grips, rails, stocks, etc should degrade at 1/4 the speed they currently are.

    • @chiyeti
      @chiyeti  8 дней назад

      This sounds like a good system to me! Thanks for the thoughtful response

    • @Kr4v3rd
      @Kr4v3rd 8 дней назад

      That's the thing though shooting the gun doesn't really damage it. Unless you go through 10k rounds. And then maybe but if you do die I do see some scuff from falling in dirt or mud. So I get the idea. Just shooting the gun, it may last the whole campaign if you don't die

  • @45atanner
    @45atanner 9 дней назад +9

    Its to force us to use more money

  • @MachineGunner29
    @MachineGunner29 9 дней назад +5

    I agree. Being a firearms owner myself I’ve never broken anything optics or grips on my rifles 😂. I think they rushed it and it needs some major reworking. The only things that should have durability would the Bolt , barrel and buffer spring. Pretty much the only parts that need replacement. Makes no sense why an optic wears with the rest of the gun. Hopefully they change it

    • @it8eazy
      @it8eazy 6 дней назад

      Could get shot or when you fall(die) it could get fucked up. Just a thought.

  • @joeclaymore
    @joeclaymore 9 дней назад +1

    Glad more people are saying this. I thought weapon durability, when Madfinger talked about it originally before the update was going to be more like jams and misfires when the gun started to degrade, but not just a sliding scale. I don’t understand why this is in game at this moment because searching the map for cool components is useless if I can’t repair said components. I instead would love a menu option where I could just turn it off/on or give me options for how I wish to play. The rest of the game feels better to me. I love the AI taking cover but there are plenty of situations where I need to pump a few mags in before they die.yes, still early access but I want the night to be darker. Would love phases of the moon so it’s not always full.

  • @NollieFlipX
    @NollieFlipX 2 дня назад

    To be honest those holo sights do, overtime, break from shooting, specially from how strong the gun kicks, but in general we are talking about some thousands of shots. The same goes to the weapon, parts start to wear, jams happen more often. I mean if you don't put some effort into cleaning and mantaining it. You know, weapons have a certain ammount of rounds they can go before having to have a full on inspection. The M4's barrel should whistand around 6k to 8k rounds before you start thinking about changing that barrel/receiver for your own safety, as it could lead to a catastrophic failure. Damage and wear is unavoidable in real life, and we will never ever get some sensible parts like the barrel back to it's factory standard full life. That said, I like the system, make us spend some money, try new things, but it is super crude indeed hahahah. But I wish parts would wear at different paces and we could use some maintenance kits like oil and cleaning rags to reduce the wear ticks, even changing batteries for the sights could be a thing. And to be honest spending some hours putting the things on the table, dissasembling it and smelling the gunpowder and oil is almost like calming ritual, like drinking a good cup of coffee. lol I would not mind doing that in the game too.

  • @JAA_007
    @JAA_007 9 дней назад +1

    Solid points and yeah been saying this since I started playing this patch

  • @ghostpike8766
    @ghostpike8766 7 дней назад

    Should have just had us use the cash we find quite literally everywhere now to just pay the vendor to repair it. Hell even if they didn't even add a system where you can save a custom gun loadout and then just buy THAT from the vendor. Would save time instead of having to catalogue and remember every part you were using.

  • @djackman1968
    @djackman1968 9 дней назад

    Totally agree. It is ridiculous how fast the equipment degrades. It is a rushed implementation for sure...and after 6 months to get this patch out I expected better. Contemplating putting GZW on the back burner for another 6 months.

  • @esox86new
    @esox86new 9 дней назад +1

    Exactly my thougths mate. Also the income / money system need to rework. AK worth 30 dollar so we not hoarding, but at lvl 10 have 6 AKs, 5 m4s and 45k dollar to work with. All the next missions going to give me m4 with spectre and on... I'm rich after 1 hours, only thing what holds me back is gunny and vendor levels...

    • @chiyeti
      @chiyeti  8 дней назад

      They need to rework rewards and shorten the starter zone quests a bit

    • @esox86new
      @esox86new 8 дней назад

      @@chiyeti me and my friend we play PvE only atm and did not lost what can i say 5-10 set of gear max under 100+ hrs. There is 0 fear for gearloss for us who plays pve as you have this much money.

  • @groundpounder0541
    @groundpounder0541 5 дней назад

    I carried the same M4 + acog and every other part for 18 months in Afghanistan where firefights would happen daily, and not a single piece broke. We oiled and cleaned them....that's it.
    Stack this with the cost of new gear, and the fact that a lot of us repeatedly CTD after the path (very high end pc), where I log back in to find all of my kit is gone....I'm level 23 and completely broke. This needs a fix asap.

  • @abisaijorgevegaperez5289
    @abisaijorgevegaperez5289 10 дней назад +5

    They didn't use the word durability when they were doing the weekly patch meetings on their live sessions. They used the word maintenance which made it seems like we would be able to maintain guns cleans and repair weapons. Just one more of the things they deceived the players about ( ai going to sleep, keys appearing on tables not on soldiers)

    • @angelsking227
      @angelsking227 9 дней назад +5

      lmao they did state that there will be a way to fix and repair both weapons and armor in a later update, The AI do "go to sleep" I have noticed a smaller number of enemies in an area during night raids, Keys do in fact spawn on tables and soldiers and their spawn rate is quite higher then last patch. almost like you didnt even play the game.

  • @45atanner
    @45atanner 9 дней назад +1

    Yep person who said let's add this should be thrown on jail. Plus when u get bullshit 1 tapped by ai bam u lose 10% ok everything

  • @NotThatGuyPal.
    @NotThatGuyPal. 10 дней назад +1

    I believe it’s an incentive to use more weapons and look for loot to sell which will mean more play time? Maybe that was the thought process for this system?

    • @chiyeti
      @chiyeti  10 дней назад +1

      That’s the appearance to me as well.. but who knows

  • @FormerMushroom
    @FormerMushroom 9 дней назад

    This is the video everyone needs to see. I played 200hrs and now leaving the game uninstalled in part to this.

    • @Kr4v3rd
      @Kr4v3rd 8 дней назад

      I mean, it's still early access. This is the first of probably 6 updates before it's considered out. So it's building the foundation brick by brick. If it continues like this though, I can see why this would be a problem

  • @KarlosTabarnak
    @KarlosTabarnak 10 дней назад

    love the intro man XD

    • @chiyeti
      @chiyeti  10 дней назад

      Appreciate it!

  • @buddybubble3264
    @buddybubble3264 9 дней назад

    I agree, the game is (still?) a bit unfinished and according to the developers, development is continuing. That is also the reason why I am still optimistic. As one commenter already said, there may be weapon maintenance. So I would currently see this system as a kind of placeholder and hope that development continues for some time, if not even a 1.0 version can be released, because many systems have turned out very well so far.

    • @chiyeti
      @chiyeti  9 дней назад +1

      Hopefully it’s all just placeholders and we get a better system… just starting to feel like nobody tests these features before they’re added 😂

  • @endlesskillez6253
    @endlesskillez6253 9 дней назад

    If your going to add maintenance to the game, you gotta add the part where you can clean/repair it. DUH! so stupid that they added this without that!

  • @kryptonite-og909xp8
    @kryptonite-og909xp8 10 дней назад

    I used up my weapons until 0 the weapon just becomes unusable and lasers and flash lights start to turn off on there own after they hit red

    • @chiyeti
      @chiyeti  10 дней назад

      Yeah that’s what I meant about it going click instead of bang… it’s a bit silly.

    • @kryptonite-og909xp8
      @kryptonite-og909xp8 10 дней назад

      @ far as I seen it only degrades when u die or go in a coma 10% when u die and 5% when u go in a coma then a combo if they do both to u lol

  • @MStreppelhoff
    @MStreppelhoff 9 дней назад

    Does no one think about that they maybe just testing a new damage system without balancing it yet ? Its just a first step...

    • @chiyeti
      @chiyeti  9 дней назад

      Sure we think about it. But execution and testing is everything.. I can’t comprehend how nobody testing this build had similar feedback.

  • @TheGhost29able
    @TheGhost29able 9 дней назад

    Yep the nvgs are weird,i dont know but they really hard boasting with nvgs :D how real they look,well dont thing,nvgs in game looks like from wish,i know there is different types,but still,basic military nvg dont look that blury,maybe in 2005 :D

  • @khanmoran9503
    @khanmoran9503 9 дней назад

    Lol tanky AI is an understatement I ran into 3 invincible AI over 4hrs yesterday. 1 of them I put 40 mosin rounds in his head and about another 40 in his chest, swapped to an AK and put 3 mags into him and he just kept shooting back.. Quality Gameplay lol

    • @Geniy_B_Kvadrate_XD_ua
      @Geniy_B_Kvadrate_XD_ua 9 дней назад

      Where exactly were you shooting because I never had such troubles? Maybe you were shooting at legs or lower body?

    • @khanmoran9503
      @khanmoran9503 9 дней назад

      @@Geniy_B_Kvadrate_XD_ua like i stated in my reply about 40 rounds in the head and then tried 40 to the chest with a mosin. wouldn't die lol then tried the M4 and emptied 3 mags into him and still nothing

    • @chiyeti
      @chiyeti  9 дней назад

      Had this same issue earlier today

    • @RiverSloth
      @RiverSloth 8 дней назад

      I'm pretty sure it's some sort of glitch/bug and my guess is that it's a "visual" glitch. The AI have a new 3rd reaction besides random zig zagging or standing there like a target dummy, the third is they will actually run for cover and those AI that do that, they like to constantly transition from one place of cover to another. Sometimes it's buggy and when they do this, they move super fast, if they're doing that, you know they're glitched. Like they will move way faster than normal and even their animations are sped up. Even if they're not moving and they are standing still and start shooting at you, they're still glitched. I don't think they are actually where you see them in game because when I have seen the AI doing that sped up movement, if they ever stop to shoot at me, I'll see their avatar in one location but I'll see the muzzle flash come from another location (where their avatar isn't currently at) that looks like it would be an obvious and decent cover location (they typically use walls or boxes). When you shoot the "visible" avatar, they will flinch as if they take damage but they won't die. I see this often at Midnight Sapphire.

    • @khanmoran9503
      @khanmoran9503 8 дней назад

      @RiverSloth yea that sounds fairly plausible, the AI that was invincible was running to cover a lot and definitely flinching when getting shot. Didn't notice the muzzle flash coming from a different location though, however I wasn't keeping my head out long enough to tell lol

  • @joshbergen7304
    @joshbergen7304 9 дней назад

    They should have never implemented the durability system for the weapons until they add the necessary things to repair them. Its honestly a bit goofy tbh

  • @lyonking2223
    @lyonking2223 9 дней назад

    You sure about weapons durability when firing? My experience has been that my weapon only gets damaged when I die.

    • @chiyeti
      @chiyeti  9 дней назад +1

      In the background footage that M4 is brand new, it’s losing percent just from firing.

  • @andrewwilkey6195
    @andrewwilkey6195 9 дней назад

    Whoever ok’d adding durability without having a repair system is an idiot. Also I own BNVDs in white phosphor and you can’t see through the scopes in game with nods… but in irl all I have to do is adjust the diopter on the back of the scope and boom it’s crystal clear, so whatever “experts” they paired up with on night vision need to be kicked to curb for telling them you can’t see though a scope.

  • @simon.the.salmon
    @simon.the.salmon 10 дней назад

    they haven't implement moon phases yet so ye

  • @petrsvugr450
    @petrsvugr450 9 дней назад

    Brother how the hell are you running this on 150 fps

    • @chiyeti
      @chiyeti  9 дней назад

      4080 and frame gen

    • @sanp8141
      @sanp8141 5 дней назад

      Lol me with 2070 bearly reaching 30fps 😢😂

  • @Dibbs.
    @Dibbs. День назад

    I havnt rubber banded once since the update, but nvgs are basically useless ngl

  • @KingTiger10588
    @KingTiger10588 9 дней назад

    it'd be real interesting if rounds hit your weapon then it would render it useless 😬

    • @halostorm3256
      @halostorm3256 7 дней назад

      Or at least the component hit by the bullet was damaged.

  • @45atanner
    @45atanner 9 дней назад

    Game still crashes with 14900kf and takes your loot

    • @skiify1
      @skiify1 9 дней назад

      Skill issue I've crashed once with 100+ hrs

  • @abisaijorgevegaperez5289
    @abisaijorgevegaperez5289 10 дней назад

    Like for real, what's the point of adding nvgs if literally the whole map is lit up with street lights and house lights. Where are these people getting electricity from in an abandoned country???

    • @chiyeti
      @chiyeti  9 дней назад

      They have that wireless power 😂

  • @angelsking227
    @angelsking227 9 дней назад

    while I see your reasoning behind your video, I dont understand it. the "durability" also changes the way the weapon looks (adding scratching and general use marks), so from my understanding is that you dont want the site or the stock to get scratches and look used, just the barrels? Also the time it takes to wear a weapon down from 100% you have easily made 10X what you need to make a new one. This was to give the items life and force players to have to get new gear throughout their time in game or buy it if they did not get lucky enough. It has given me the opposite effect, I actually have a reason to play late game now once I have a full stash I wount feel like I should not pick up anymore gear. Last patch late game I was only running around hitting cash registers to money, and that was just to see how much money I could farm.

    • @chiyeti
      @chiyeti  9 дней назад +1

      I personally, and I don’t want you to take this as me taking anything you are saying for granted, could care less about the appearance of a weapon in an EA title. I care about function over fashion in this case. Weapons looking worn is a cool idea as they get used and we see it in a lot of other titles, but the functionality of the system has to make sense to appreciate the other aspects of it. At least this is my opinion. I can respect your take on it as well and do appreciate some of the love they’ve put behind these.

    • @angelsking227
      @angelsking227 9 дней назад

      @@chiyeti That is fair but it also the current system in an EA title is fine, especially since we know there will be additions later to compensate for this. For all we know they wanted to add a way to fix your weapon but keeps the overall wear to the "skin" may currently not be working like intended so they are holding off on it. I just feel this system gives late game more of a reason to play rather than just having the same M4 for months.

  • @halostorm3256
    @halostorm3256 7 дней назад

    Durability on the barrel would be fine, but the rest of the gun and components is just silly.

  • @frankama308
    @frankama308 9 дней назад

    I wish you would make more money

  • @Shizaho
    @Shizaho 9 дней назад

    My biggest issue with the game is the performance. It's so awful. Even on a 3080, R7 5800X3D & 32GB DDR4 RAM I average like 50-60fps. On low/medium 1440p.

  • @gunnerswat
    @gunnerswat 8 дней назад

    I don't like this system. I've had the same rifle for years, and it still functions perfect. I get batteries for NVG or light/laser, but kind of sucks. armor and gear sure.

  • @thorsmith59
    @thorsmith59 9 дней назад

    This durability system for weapons and even the NVG's is the STUPIDEST thing ever!
    Madfinger listen up and DELETE THIS NOW!

  • @45atanner
    @45atanner 9 дней назад

    Tarkov does it better as itd just the breach and u can replace it and all good

  • @sanp8141
    @sanp8141 5 дней назад

    I hate gun durability system. At least make it repairable for gun to make more sense.

  • @realitycheck4158
    @realitycheck4158 10 дней назад

    My steam review went from meh to slightly less meh. 😒

    • @chiyeti
      @chiyeti  9 дней назад

      Mine went from very positive to negative… it’s become something I can’t recommend anymore

    • @realitycheck4158
      @realitycheck4158 9 дней назад

      @chiyeti I never could really either. My computer is shit and I have almost 700hrs in this game. Been a fuckin grind!

  • @TastyDizaster
    @TastyDizaster 9 дней назад

    Aside from the degradation system being stupid, unwanted and unrealistic it completely negates the changes to the economy players requested.
    Players brought up issues in the economy and running out of money after questing stops.
    Devs confirmed it and added high value loot as a way to offset. So why simultaneously add a "system" for us to needlessly dump money into.
    No one quit the game because there wasn't a day night cycle.
    Tens of thousands quit because of bad AI.
    The decisions this company makes are baffling.
    Madfinger games please start streaming your production meetings, they surely have to be absolute comedy.

    • @chiyeti
      @chiyeti  8 дней назад

      I really don’t think they play their own game.. or at least some of the changes feel that way

    • @villepensasmaki7255
      @villepensasmaki7255 4 дня назад

      Key spawnrate killed it For me Back Then.

  • @kennetheastridge149
    @kennetheastridge149 2 дня назад

    I HATE this change!

  • @SirloinBeefBurger
    @SirloinBeefBurger 7 дней назад

    WHY IS THERE NO BRIGHTNESS ADJUSTMENTS ON RED DOTS?! ffs