MJ vs LeBron This is a silly debate. Clearly Michael is better. It's not even a close one. But let's go to the facts. Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has •3 more rings •3 more final mvps •1 more DPOY •1 more season MVP •9 more scoring titles •3 more steals leader •3 more all defensive team selections •4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer lol. •800 more steals •Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10) •Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals Lebron did it twice •6/6 (never allowed a game 7) •Lebron had much more help •Jordan never had a teammate averaged more than 22 points in the finals.. Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26 •MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs •MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games.. All of this accomplished in 13 seasons Lebron is in his 14th season still chasing the "ghost that played in Chicago" •Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg. (86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics. •Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line. •in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this. •the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%. •MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3% •MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3. •MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9% •MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year.. Seriously this list can keep going. This isn't even a debate. Mj is the GOAT. Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls: -10 STRAIGHT scoring titles, -Won Defensive Player of the Year, -9 times all defensive team, -9time All NBA, -5 league MVPs -6 finals MVPs All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career... And before you criticize me for copy and pasting just know that it doesn’t matter if it’s copied or not, truth is truth. Check Mate.
Not only all that, but don`t forget all the rule changes and the softening of the foul calls from Jordan`s time to LeBron`s time. The NBA has made SO many rule changes to protect the scorers now that all LeBron has to do is drive the lane and with the current rules, no one can stop him. If LeBron tried that back in Jordan`s time, guys like Lambeer and Parish would just elbow Lebron in the face while he`s driving the lane and just get a regular foul, no flagrant foul penalties back then (late 80`s - early 90`s). Because of the "Jordan Rules" implemented by the Pistons, that`s why the league started giving out flagrant foul penalties. Just imagine Jordan`s stats if the NBA implemented those penalties BEFORE Jordan started his career. Jordan would have at LEAST 2-3 more championships.
@Danakil Barrett Can you explain how Jordan could possibly be 1-9 in the playoffs BEFORE Pippen? And you say that Jordan had what you consider nowadays a SUPER TEAM because he had Horace Grant(who was a 9.3 pts per game scorer after the Bulls and not playing with Jordan) and Rodman (who averaged around 5.5 pts per game with the Bulls and could literally ONLY rebound). The Miami Heat were at least the same if not better as a team than the Bulls. They had Bosh, Wade, Ray Allen and Mario Chalmers. Then you say Jordan played 15 years and 6 championships. 2 of those years he played UNDER 20 games, and the last 2 seasons he played, he was 39, 40, 41 years old with bad knees, AND he played on a Wizards team that you probably can`t name a single player on that team without looking it up. He played on that team because he worked with the Wizards and owned a part of the team. So subtracting the 2 seasons he played less than 20 games and the 2 seasons with the Wizards, that leaves 11 seasons with a perfect 6/6 in the finals. BTW, did LeBron ever beat a finals opponent by 42? The answer is no. And you mention that LeBron is closing in on more rebounds than Jordan. You DO know that Jordan was a shooting guard and LeBron is a small FORWARD, right? Plus, LeBron has already played 100 MORE games than Jordan(even counting Jordan`s 2 years with the terrible Wizards where Jordan was just going through the motions), and still hasn`t caught up to Jordan`s point total yet. It`s not the total points one gets, it how long it takes to get them. By your definition, if Kareem Abdul Jabbar played 40 years in the NBA and scored 50,000 pts, HE would be the greatest? And saying LeBron will pass Jordan in assists is admitting LeBron has more players he could pass to that could score, hence a better supporting team. Most of what you said supports that Jordan is the greatest, which is obviously true even by your OWN reasoning. And I agree. Jordan is the GOAT.
yeah he tends to say things that are deemed 'controversial' ahead of the the curve and then on the back end he's proven right. Life is like that, you just gotta extricate yourself from low level thinkers or ppl who get clouded by the clutter
This is why it's scary to have analysts dictate the narrative. Notice the people that have actually played in the NBA are all saying he's just not there yet. And all the analysts insist on getting a juicy story and trying to rely on numbers. It's almost corny.
"Jordan made pippen " exactly what I remember. that is true greatness when in practice you can push other players to there limits and when it's game time it's not as hard. Brilliance
@Evan the argument lebron fanboys make is Lebron made it to the Finals with no help before Jordan could make the Finals. Jordan didn't go to the Finals until Phil and Scottie got there, and since Lebron can play all 5 positions he's a better bball player. The new thing now is that MJ didn't face the competition that LJ did in the finals.
@@meg-k-waldren never ever listen to anyone who has never, ever been THERE. AS a former Marine and Army Soldier, my civilian friends do not get how I handle challenges...... they break down when under fire. Jordan never backed down from any challenge and Jalen gets it. They were on the floor against him.
Combine all of Jordan’s teammates he ever had and they have a total of 11 all star appearances not including Jordan....do the same with Lebron and all his teammates have a total of 44 all star appearances not including Lebron 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
@Jonathan Cortes Mark Eaton(Jazz), Olajawon, Alvin Robertson and Ewing. 3 HOFers. Eaton was a blocking machine(not much else). So the competition to win that award was fierce. MJ also won MVP that year(his first) he averaged 32.5ppg, 8rb, 8ast. He was the man. If he wanted to he could have probably did those numbers for the rest of his career. Would he have won without Scottie? Bron Bron always had help except for that first finals and it showed. He stunk and the numbers prove it. There is MJ, then there is everybody else...
@Jonathan Cortes oh and Bron joined teams that were already decent. Wade had already won a championship when Lebron and Bosh came. Lebron went back to Cleveland with Kyrie and Thompson and acquired Love. MJ with those dudes would have smoked GS WITH KD.
And when he won those scoring titles, he missed a total of 10 games. He never “rested”. I hate when players rest now a days. Soft generation. Load management, fucking pathetic
LeeVoneBTS no he didn’t people always push this narrative that phil was a godlike coach... NO he wasn’t he became coach in 88 or 89 not sure which one but they both developed together. phil took the triangle formula and perfected it in that era with mj!
Hugh Howard not clutch ? Lebron has more game winners then mj and kobe combined in the post season gtfo.. and no defense ? 2012 and 2013 he was 2nd in dfoy and got first all nba defense . Stfu
@@VortexFromFire LeBron has 18 game winners until Dec 26 2019 , Jordan has 25 and Kobe has 27. Also statistics say that lebron' s chance of making two free throws in a row is less than that of flipping a coin and getting a head. He has missed several game winning free throws btw. LeBron is definitely a great player but isn't as great as Jordan.👍👍👍
Nobody gonna mention that Steve Kerr, who was Jordan's teammate on the Bulls in the 90's, is now the coach of the Warriors who are, in turn, now handing Lebron his butt every year. I find that hilarious.
Okay so LeBron's not Michael Jordan but why in the hell would he wanna be considering that he's probably the most dominant individual and overall player the league has EVER seen maybe aside from Kareem Abdul Jabar so just stop with the nonsense already and I really believe that Jalen is a little jealous because he knows Lebron could take that pretty little wife of his if he wanted to.
Man Jordan dominated a league where Vinny Del Negro, BJ Armstrong and Kyle friggin Macy started in! 😂😂😂 Could any of those guys even make a roster in TODAY'S NBA? I think we ALL know the answer.
Uhhhm no , 2012 Miami would beat the bad boy pistons in a series. Kid Lebron single handedly ended the Pistons that beat Kobe the previous year, with the trash Cavs
1991 Pistons: Isiah Thomas HoF ( age 30 ) - All-star 1991. Joe Dumars HoF ( age 27 ) - All-star 1991. RODMAN HoF ( age 29 ) - 2x Defensive Player of the Year ( 1990 and 1991 ). 2014 Spurs: Tim Duncan ( age 38 ), Manu ( age 36 ), Tony Parker ( age 32 ). *In 2014, Kawhi Leonard ( age 22 ) was not yet a star, only averaged 12-ppg.* Michael Jordan will never lose to old Tim Duncan ( age 38 ) and will not allow a player with an average of 12-ppg to win the FMVP award.
@@allanhouston6759 no matter how clear you explain it to this lbj nutsuckers they'll deny those facts and argue how numbers/stats could tell all the stories of the game.. fucking millenials
@@TransformativeMind 2014 Nba Finals. Spurs: Tim Duncan ( age 38 ), Manu ( age 36 ), Kawhi ( age 22 ), Tony Parker was the only star player in his team. Miami Heat: Lebron All-star 2014 Wade All-star 2014 Bosh All-star 2014 BUT Lebron still lost even with that help. 2013 Nba Finals. Spurs: Tim Duncan ( age 37 ), Manu ( age 35 ), Kawhi ( age 21 ), Prime Tony Parker. Miami Heat: Lebron All-star 2013 Wade All-star 2013 Bosh All-star 2013 Ray Allen ( age 37 ) Still needed 7 games to beat the Spurs. 2011 Nba Finals Mavs: Jason Kidd ( age 38 ), Shawn Marion ( age 32 ), 5"9 J.J Barea, Jason Terry ( age 33 ), 32-years-old Dirk Nowitzki was the only star player in his team. Miami Heat: Lebron All-star 2011 Wade All-star 2011 Bosh All-star 2011 Dwyane Wade= 26-7-5, FG-54% But Lebron still lost even with that help.
@@YPK_BINKZ 1988 ECFR: Bulls vs Cavs ( 3-2 ) JORDAN = 45- 5- 5, FG-56% Pippen = 10- 5- 2, FG-47% Bulls in the second Round only thanks to JORDAN, Rookie Scotte Pippen wasn"t even the third best player on the team. But random fans do not know these facts. ruclips.net/video/KJqLZCBa6F8/видео.html
lebron james 2007 - 2OT, ECF, scores the teams last 25 points, scores or assists the last 30 points, Cavs win and go to the finals - 1 example of him saving his team (early in his career, hes had more) Mj 1993 - nba finals game 6, with the game on the line to win the championship passes the ball to scottie pippen, scottie pipen passes it to horace grant who passes it to paxon, paxon hits the 3 and they win the chip - 1 example of his teamates saving him (had more) Didnt take much to prove you wrong
@@zharlou30Bacalso if thats what you think my point was than you didnt even pay attention to what you wrote, you said in quite the disrespectul fation "Lebrons ass was SAVED by his team SEVERAL times while MJ SAVED his team EVERYTIME", i showed examples where that didnt happen (and theres more), proved you wrong
Watching Jordan I can watch for eternity and make me want to play b ball again even at mid 40s. Watching Lebrun I fall asleep and drop out of playing b ball. Period.
This comment is so bias, unfair and rude. You don’t need to put down someone’s greatness to prove MJ as the goat. Lebron is a great player and probably the best we’ve seen after MJ
He could have done all that still had he not retired in 93 and 99 playing straight through 02-03 like John Stockton. That's what's crazy about MJ his retirements are a what if?
Trash Talker No you are one of the biggest LeCock rider of all time, simple MJ ,6 titles, 6 MVPS,. LBJ 3/9, MJ perfect in finals, LeBitchs 6 losses most finals losses for any fmr MVP Reg Season in history, so at least LeBron is better than Jordan at one thing, Losing!
Niners94 just because someone wins more doesn’t make them better lol if me and you are in a argument about who’s better and you argue “but my team was better than yours we won more” you would get looked at like an asshole lol so why do you do it for nba greats like bron and mike . Seriously think about that .. you and me argue about who is better .. mind you , YOU played 10 years before me , under TOTALLY different NBA rules , in a totally different era , against TOTALLY different competition , under different coaches and different systems .. like I can go on .. they play two different positions , two different styles of play , two different body types , when looking at it from a “who’s better?” Point of view is hard . Winning doesn’t make you better it’s 5 on 5 basketball . Winning makes you better if you box or golf or play ping pong lol
"Jordan MADE Pippen". Facts. Thank you. And Tony freekin' Parker beat LeBron James TWICE in the Finals. And once he was the MVP. Over LeBron. During LeBron's prime (check LBJ's numbers in the 2007 regular season before you reply). That ALONE suffices to end this argument. There's NO comparing LeBron to Michael Jordan.
Yeah man Jordan helped develop Pip there's no question - I think Scottie was always going to be a good or great player but Mj made him a star (not a super-star)
As Phil Jackson himself stated, "When Scotty came into the league, I put him with Jordan so he could learn the tricks of the trade." And there is also another story (forgot who stated this but it's on RUclips) of when Scotty challenged Jordan to a 1-on-1. Jordan let loose and all Pippen could do was say, "Damn, slow down man." That tells me all I need to know.
Jordan was out of an era with no talent. Reggie Miller was the closest thing to a rival to Jordan at the time. The Stockton Malone tag team was also a big deal (against Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman). Compare that to all the great players (or even ensembles) that Lebron has had to contend with. through his 7 year finals run (no particular order) Kyrie Irving Isaiah Thomas Dwight Howard Derrick Rose Kevin Love Dirk Nowitzki Steph Curry (and Klay) Kevin Durant Paul, Griffin, and Jordan The Gasols Dwyane Wade Chris Bosh Anthony Davis Demarcus Cousins Carmelo Anthony Paul George Kristaps Porzingis Russel Westbrook Damian Lilliard C.J. McCollum Lemarcus Aldridge Kawhi Leonard John Wall Zack Randolph Tim Duncan Kobe Bryant Steve Nash There's 30 players, most of which are better than Reggie Miller. You can't compare the success of Lebron to that of Michael. Michael was playing on "easy". Lebron has been playing on "very hard"... but has also been far more opportunist than Michael Jordan when it comes to finding team-mates. Don't forget... As of yet... Lebron has NOT had the equivalent of Jordan's Washington years. Lebron is on his fifteenth year in the league... That means, this year is the equivalent of Jordan's last year in Washington... and Lebron is still in his prime (supposedly). Lebron has already played 60 games (and counting) more than Jordan did in his entire career... and of the 1136 games he's played... he's started in all but one game in 2008. Make no mistake about it... Lebron and Jordan are not comparable... and that's the only thing that keeps Michael Jordan in this discussion. By any whole picture account... Lebron has achieved almost as much in a league that is WAY WAY WAY more competitive.
if mj didn't retire in the mid 90s he'd have not only a 8 finals streak like lebron, but he probably would've won them and remained flawless in the finals
as a jordan fan honestly they wouldn't due to the nba not having rest back then so they would prob get injured but they would easily make the finals every year
Salahuddin Ahmed and also the guys that didn’t were basically let go. There’s been guys who didn’t respond well to Jordan as a teammate (obviously MJ could be tough on teammates) but that’s a good thing it got rid of the guys who wouldn’t show toughness when things got tough.
If jordan played now in this era we would marvel at how jordan is the greatest thing we ever seen and lebron would be another great player like steph duncan durant or what have you. We would say he might be the best all time of his position and probably compare him to magic because he can play multiple positions well but it would still be jordan pandemonium. Seriously thats the way it would be if jordan was around in this era
I'm calling BS on that. Jordan would rank behind Lebron, KD, Giannis, Kawhi Leonard, James Harden, and many others in this era. He'd b a really good 3 and D guy but not among the leagues top 5 players.
@@fredrickmeredith3564 5"8 Isiah Thomas in the 2016/17 season: 29-ppg and top 5 in the MVP vote. Top 5 ? ? In the 90s, he will never even be in the top 10. 2019/20 season: 6"1 Trae Young ( age 21 ) = 30-ppg FG-44% 6"3 Bradley Beal ( SG ) = 30-ppg FG-45% 6"6 JORDAN ( SG ) will be dominate in this era.
Jordan played in the era of a hard knocks life versus LeBron plays in the era of the protected. If LeBron got beat up every game like the players of the last generation, would he be that great still? MJ was an assassin! MJ would fight you if he had to in order to pull out that victory.
@@justinselemy5458 so I guess there weren't any 6'9 250lb players in the NBA ever before LeBron hahahaha. And that's not even the debate, he very well could have done well in that era, but MJ would have stopped him just like how he stopped every other superstar lolll. Man these LeBron loving kids don't do any research before talking lol. It's either the typical "I know everything" or "I don't need to look up history"
It is so simple: 6 finals; 6 rings, 6 finals mvp, all finals won in 6 games. How can anybody compare these 2? Now, do you want to talk about skills? I don't think LeBron wins that discussion either, but it will be a lot closer. You can look at all the stats you want and the conversation will again be close, but if you talk about mentality; specially in the clutch! LeBron is not in the same category as MJ!
Jordan six NBA finals and six NBA finals MVP'S! END OF DISCUSSION!! Remember how LeBron quit on his teammates against Dallas! Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder can see who the better player is!
Holy shit I know this is old but bro your analysis is sooooo dead on great especially when you mention how MJ make other great because of his pressure Bro keep going because even on 2019 this hasn't stop God bless you and what a great video
MJ won 6 championship with one team.LJ had to leave the CAV's because he couldn't win a championship with them.So he went to a stacked Heat team to win two championship.Then comeback to the Cav's finally win a chip for them.LJ went to seven championship and only won 3 championship out of seven.Jordan never lost a championship game.MJ went to six championship and won all six championships.
Bam the all time great team bulls baby 91 92 93 96 97 98!!! Just think no retirement from mj 94 95 too!!! That's why houston won!!! When mj sat out because of david stern!!!
And LeBron lost 2 finals with that stacked team to less talented teams! LeBron completely choked - something you'll never hear about MJ. Then he lost 3 finals with stacked Cleveland teams, though GS clearly had the better team in 2 of those.
I just look at it like this. If Labron and Jordan were on the same team, who is team captain? Who would be there leading scorer, and who would take the winning shot?! case closed.
Why ya'll love to tell lies, ya'll act like he didn't get eradicated in ECF by Orlando Magic.... foh wit the nonsense... the reason he retired was stress (fathers death), fatigue (something Lebron seem to master) and gambling issues.... no damn way he'd win against Rockets.... he even admitted it...
Ronnie Jones dude you obviously don't know shit about basketball. The bulls would've destroyed Houston who needed 7 games to beat the Knicks who was gonna guard Jordan or pippen. The bulls would've won 8 in a row if it wasn't for Jordan retiring
I grew up a Bulls fan....when Michael arrived....Oh my. As any Bulls fan knows, it was amazing to watch those teams, and to us, Michael was a god. Having said that, I don't like how all these comparison discussions turn in to diminishing what Lebron has done. As many have said before, Lebron will go down as one of the game's best, but what he doens't do is occupy the rare air of Michael. They're simply just different cats. Kobe was the closest I'd seen to Michael, but even the Mamba didn't have some of the same intangibles that make Michael legendary.
@Joseph Penigar - agreed, lebron and the media push it. And if it's not up to par, then uts not diminishing. Cant ask for all the attention in the room, then control how its given to you. (Just a Example) if one claims to be a 10 and they're really a 6, then they're a 6, not a 10. Thats not diminishing, its fact. Lebron is awesome, just not what he or media sell him to be. That's all. With the best of help maybe in his career. He was (2-4) and by the skin of his teeth with a lil luck he got that 2 than a 1. Then again with help, went (1-3). (1-2) if you want to discount 17-18 for wtv reason.
I don’t think there really is a definite GOAT. But there are the greatest players of certain Era’s. LeBron has his Era, and Jordan has his. It’s not right to diminish the legacies of these great players to see which one is better.
The problem is Lebron says and does things that creates “haters”. When you call yourself the greatest, it’s hard not to laugh at him. We diminish him to help compensate for the blind witnesses. Basically we try to preserve the legitimacy of the NBA
Austin Stull I think Jordan really dominated his era, Lebron has always played wit more talent N I think that’s why it’s really hard to call him the goat if you watch Jordan in the finals It was like he was flawless Wit lesser talent and still won Lebron on the other hand we seen him have bad nights in the finals wit more talent And lose this is one of the reasons why people Don’t see him as the greatest
MJ clear cut goat. Had shorter NBA career, better resume and more rings during that span, while playing against more future hall of famers, never left the team that drafted in order to win. While LeBron had to to join different super teams to win a ring. Simply not as talented to do it on his own.
Strong analysis. I agree with Billups on Kobe, though. I don’t think he gets his fair due. As far as Lebron goes, if the PED thing is true, it will come out eventually and the debate will be over. If not, he’ll need to not lose anymore championships for him to even be considered the GOAT. For me, it’s MJ.
PED is real. That finals when he was exhausted, his drugs weren't tailored for the heat. Wade even rolled his eyes. He had to get weird injections to help him be normal.
For everyone who wants to bring up Steve Kerr taking the clutch shot to win the series, the difference between Kyrie and Kerr was that the play was designed for michael to anticipate the double team, which he did, to set up the shot for Kerr to shoot so MJ still played apart of that clutch possession. The ball was in Kyrie's hands from the beginning, LeBron wanted no part of that play. Kyrie had the ball and immediately went iso, so no Windhorst. That argument does not hold.
I agree man. Not counting the OKC title, every championship he's won was on a game 7 and won by the slightest of margins. Lebron's a Phenominal player but he's not Jordan
Dominique Robinson who played better before they had super teams? I know MJ was great but he isn't God. He had real decencies that he worked on and improved. The media use to talk about him being unable to win like they did Lebron. Once you get that absolutely savage roster the Bulls had and a great coach like Phil winning is not a problem.
Ali Bumaye Yea LeBron was able to make the Finals without much help and even did it in 2015 without Kyrie or Love. But what does it for me is that meltdown he had against the Mavs and in 2014 when they lost by a record margin against the Spurs. Lebron's a wayyy better facilitator and almost or better scorer than Jordan, but I just wouldn't wanna see those types of losses in the Finals that's all
Great points. Very well reasoned argument. I would just like to add. The teams Jordan beat in his 6 finals, those LOSING teams would have beat any Lebron led team in his entire career. That shows the competition Jordan was going up against.
Piston Starters: Bill Laimbeer is 6 years older than Jordan. Mark Aguirre is 3 years older, Dennis Rodman and Isiah Thomas are 2 years older, John Salley is 9 months older and Joe Dumars is a few months younger than Jordan. Bulls Starters: Bill Cartright is 6 years older than Jordan, Craig Hodges and John Paxson are 3 years older, Horace Grant & Scottie Pippen are 2 years younger. Jordan & the Bulls beat the Pistons when he was 28 Years old. Laimbeer and Cartright were the oldest on the court at 33 years (they were both about to turn 34). The Bulls beat a tough Jazz team when Jordan was 35 and Rodman was 37. The Pistons were not old when the Bulls swept them in '91.
Yo damn near everything in here is on point. When you said "Jordan made Pippen" I was like dude THANK YOU!" Nobody seems to understand that Pippen was garbage when he came into the league. The only thing I need to correct was the Kerr shot. The play was designed for Jordan but Jordan turned to Kerr and told him that he was gonna give him the ball knowing that no one would expect it and Kerr told him "ill be ready". There's any interview where Kerr talks about that specific play
"He has Tim Duncan on the wall, he has Kevin Durant on the wall, he has Steph Curry on the wall..." They all have Lebron on their wall MORE than Lebron got them 🤷🏾♂️
I am from Akron Ohio. I was at Richfield when MJ did the cavs dirty as little kid. I hated Jordan, but after he got passed the pistons. MJ killed the east every year and he did it over and over eventually he made me believe and respect him. I played saint V, I watched lebron every game from high school to now. When people make this argument that Lebron is better than jordan and they do it so casually it is so disrespectful to Jordan and what it means to be the best ever, to be the babe ruth of a game. Lebron is great but he doesnt have the body of work, He could but needs some more young lebron vs pistons in playoff carrying type games in the finals to even compare. Jordan owned games his will to win was unmatched and he simply would not quit.
not even an inch that LeBron near to MJ. Even if he has a long career than MJ, he will never be that close of greatness to MJ. I can mention so many things that MJ is the GOAT, to all of these great young players. If they can beat all of MJ achievements in the same amount of time of career then they can beat MJ to be the GOAT.
LeBrons went to 7 straight finals and has won 3. Michael went to 6 finals in an 8 year span and won 6. Michael won when it counted and LeBron wants to cry about his team needing "better players" when it can't get much better. Jordan played through illnesses and fatigue and LeBron gets a little warmer than usual and he can't play. Jordan would gladly take every clutch time shot he was asked to take and LeBron wants to put the ball in somebody else's hands so THEY can have a 50/50 chance of hitting or missing, instead of him taking control in crunch time. This comparison is by far still out of the question, LeBron is GREAT, sure, but is definitely no Jordan. Don't compare stats, compare overall careers, and you get your answer.
Andrew Harper im 14 and i know LeBron is no where close to jordan. His passion for the game and they way he played in the decade he was in shows how good he was and I wouldn’t ever consider lebron close.
Coming back to this video and seeing how they make excuses for LeBron James this season saying he doesn't really care about regular season really shows how the NBA and a liberal Source media protects LeBron James image I cannot imagine at the age of 33 Michael Jordan not dominating the sport that he loved and taking every game serious thanks brother peace
Brian Nguyen well, espn is owned by Disney and they insert their leftist slant onto everything just like the rest of the media/Hollywood. Look at what Disney did to the new Star Wars. Just sjw propaganda. Look at everyone's reaction in the media to Trump winning. Even Chuck, Shaq, Ernie, and Kenny had to say how shocked and dissapointed they were to Trump winning.
Kill THIS SHIT!!! Kobe played 20yrs LeBron will PROBABLY play at LEAST 20yrs TOO! Imagine MJ played 20yrs??? 40,000+ EASY! So QUIT THIS SHIT!! MJ THE G.O.A.T.🏀🏆👑✊🏿💯
I can agree with most of this. But the Kobe comment, LB needs just the right pieces too. Now, he did have Shaq, but LB had Bosh and Wade. Kobe just needed one other semi star and role players. LJ needs at least 2. And he is 5 and 2.
The difference is Lebron made it to the finals and the playoffs without having the right pieces around him. There were some years in Kobe's prime that he didnt make the playoffs after Shaq left.
+Tim Green, in the weak East. Kobe in his prime was 28-30 where he won 2 chips with really only Gasol-back to back mind you with Gasol and role players. Dont make it out like his team was all stars. He would have won again if they hadn't nixed the CP3 trade. FACTS. Which would have made him 3-1 without Shaq. Kobe could have been looking at 6-2 finals record. One loss to a great Celtics team and the other to the same Dallas team that knocked out that Lebron lead Miami team. Go look at those rosters in 2007-2011. Please tell me the stand out players outside of Gasol - Fisher/Odom/Bynum these guys are good role players but hardly all-stars. Lebron only won once he got wade, bosh, and then again once he got ray allen (perennial all stars). Then only when he got Kyrie, Love and Tristan. I dont really count Tristan, because he's not really all-star to me. But Lebron has definitely had better teams consistently in his finals wins.
So what about when he lost to the Pistons with Malone, Payton, Shaq, etc. Kobe is my favorite player of all time but LeBron has passed him on the all time list. Kobe is a better scorer and has the same mentality that Jordan had and thats just about it. When you start throwing out "what ifs" it's a problem.
Bulls didn't win so many games because they were a better team, they won because Jordan was a better player. Good point brova.. and, A person told Jordan there is no I in team.. Jordans reply?? He said there's an I in WIN😭😂😂
As a matter of fact Jordan told Kerr at the time-out get ready/meaning he forsaw that he might not be able to take the shot and directed Kerr as the next best choice to win the game/Kerr was deadly from the 3pt range
I agree Kobe is Far greater Than He gets Credit for .Kobe had 17 Seasons Up Until He Was 35 Until He got Hurt towards The last game of the season tore his Achilles .He was Avg 27.6 Points a Game ,6 Rebounds ,7 Assist ,1.5 Steal Game ,Then His Last 3 Years He only Played 6 Games n 2014 ,35 Games 2015 Avg 22 Points a Game ,and 17.6 Points a Game at 38 Years Old N 2016 He just never Recovered and People Don't Remember Kobe a Top 5 player or Top 10 Player all Day all Long. He Miss The Playoffs Once n 05 With that horrible Team after the Trade and after He Got Hurt.He missed the 2014 Season though ,Only Played 35 Games n 2015 ,And Yes Miss The Playoffs N 2016 With Him Playing 25 Min a Night about Did score 60 Points His last Game .And Was The Best Player N the NBA for a Good Stretch For 7 to 8 Years and Top 5 For Over decade
The same things people give credit to LeBron for, they take/took away from Wilt. Who I think is his most direct comparison. Gaudy numbers, physically dominant vs his contemporaries, didn't always perform at best in the clutch/championship moments. Will retire with insane numbers, but people who saw them play knew there's a difference between the 35 you get in the first 46 minutes and what you did in the last two. The fact he's 3-5 in the Finals but people point to stats...how is he in discussion for the GOAT, when Wilt, who AVERAGED 30/23/4.5 and God knows how many blocks (they didn't count the stat until 1973-74) a game, but kept getting beaten by a LITERAL Hall of Fame team in Russell's Celtics (as many as EIGHT at one time), has that used against him? Bron stans can't have it both ways. If it's about numbers, Wilt won 4 MVP's, put up ridiculous numbers and pushed the original dynasty to the limit, ultimately taking them down in 1967 with one of the 5-6 best teams ever. He also won two titles, including one of the three best teams ever, the 72 Lakers. How does LeBron leapfrog him if it's about numbers (shit, Wilt LED THE LEAGUE IN ASSISTS ONE YEAR!)? If it's about winning, he never touches MJ and everyone knows it. So the goalposts are being moved. Shaq didn't make the conference finals with Phoenix...he left after 2009 (Suns got back in 2010 when he was with Cleveland...who also missed the conference finals that year). But your point is spot on. I'm a Lakers fan, not a Kobe fan. And the idea that somehow Kobe was 1a is ridiculous. Yes, he could score a lot, but NO ONE ever said James Worthy was 1a to Magic in 1987 and 88. Ever. Shaq was literally the Diesel that made that dynasty go. If you replaced Kobe with McGrady or VC, I'd argue LA still wins at least two titles. If you take Shaq off those teams and replace him with Mutombo or Mourning or even David Robinson, the Lakers aren't winning more than one title. Their dominance stemmed from Shaq's efficiency on the offensive end. Teams had NOTHING for him. You could replicate Kobe's 45% shooting a lot easier with a similar wing, who probably wouldn't have been as hesitant to give the ball to Shaq.
Manu Ginobilis Bald Spot Wilt only comp got 11 rings bro...11 and he had what 2? I understand the numbers and all that but rings/playoff success matters when it comes to greatest...
He’s not saying rings don’t matter guy he’s saying Bron jus has #’s & a couple rings thts y he’s like Wilt who is “better” than Russell but Russell is “Greater” because his team won more. So he’s adding to MJ GOAT point. All these other stars have rings on Bron. Dirk/Kidd, Spurs twice, GS 3 times, KD twice. Ok Yu can get a excuse for 07 & 15 but shouldn’t, but Absolutely no1 has ring on Jordan ..oh excuse me the Bulls which Jordan led.
LBJ is a monster when it comes to garbage points. When you look at LBJ’s stats they are deceiving. They look great but a majority of his career points were scored in garbage time. Jordan’s points mattered and were needed. Someone needs to look at garbage time stats and post. Cause LBJ is leading in this category. Also, he’s not nearly the defender MJ was. MJ was motivated by guarding the best in big time moments.
I always find it funny these commentators that have never played basketball in their life’s. There telling us who’s the best ball player? Really? Jaylin and Chauncey get it. Look if you were not born yet or you were really young and u missed the JORDAN era That sucks for you. U missed the greatest basketball player ever the G.O.A.T. Now you get this new weak NBA with Lebron who is good top 20 All time. But he’s sooo not JORDAN Do some research on MJ. Look up his accomplishments look at all the numbers watch a lot of film. U will sort of understand. Unfortunately you’ll never get to see him live in person. I got so see him play against Utah Jazz No one got even close to blocking him On a simple jump shot he was that high. What an amazing ball player. With such Killer instincts who hatted to lose. He Demanded the ball he deserved it no one deserved it more. And even after His retirement going to Washington And lacing up once again he still put up great numbers. Do the research you will See....
Jordan is one of those players who was a physical freak of nature on top of the fact that his will to win his drive is unlike anything I’ve ever seen the combination of being physically gifted and also a psychopath is something we’ll probably never see again
You got a lot of undeserved dislikes on this vid. LeBron is not Michael Jordan. Chasing his ghost shouldn't even be a discussion. I don't think he'll ever take Jordan's spot. LeBron will always be LeBron, a dominate player in the NBA, a freak of athletic nature. But he's not mentally determined enough to dominate everybody who steps in his path.
Word Mike had an iron will, yo I tell people MJ had a mental side to him most of us will never understand nevermind achieve. Yo I put Mike up on the shelf when talking bout the league and winning. Kareem was a beast Wilt and Bill Russel but MJ was a whole nother animal vicious determined not to be denied. If I have to pick a player as much as I love Doc Moses Malone(rip)Zeke and my 82-83 Sixers. I gotta pick Mike his playoff numbers are untouchable ten strait scoring titles etc yo who doing that now,nobody! I gotta take Mike, Doc he did lead Philly to four Finals tho he only won one I'd take him. I gotta take Magic then Zeke see another reason I kinda give MJ the edge he played great D and as a guard he didn't need any one to get the ball to him. He could create better than Kareem altho he destroyed the whole league in his time. I like LeBron but I'm old school I'm rockin wit my old heads...
Let's not forget that MJ faced much tougher teams in the Eastern Conference Finals than the teams he faced in the Finals. Detroit Pistons, New York Knicks and let's never forget that Larry Bird Coached, Reggie Miller led Indiana Pacers team that pushed the Bulls to 7 games. That was some of the best basketball playoffs ever.
If Lebron had Michael's mentality, he might well be the GOAT. I watched MJ his whole career with the Bulls, and things like intensity lapses on defence and failing to miss a good chance to be aggressive on offence just didn't happen with him. And although he probably knew full well he was the best, he didn't talk about it, or talk up his 'legacy' - he just went out and did it, in the moment, fearless, flowing, a step ahead of everyone both mentally and physically. Like a lion on the hunt. Sometimes Lebron shows signs that he's self-conscious, results-oriented, not in the moment, playing scared you might even say. I understand his abilities as a playmaker, but how can you be the GOAT if you're not confident enough to be the one to take the shot, if that's what the situation requires? Or confident enough at the line that you know every time you drive, it's basically 2 points gauranteed, on average? ..And as to basketball IQ, what is that except understanding the flow of the play, and making a good decision? MJ was one of the best decision makers the game has seen. If his decision was often to try to score, that's only because he knew it was a strong option. And he could go to plan B in a split second, if he had to improvise. No-one has put it all together like MJ did - the physical, the mental, the guts and the leadership... I hope a better player comes along in my lifetime - would be inspiring to see
The thing about MJ is he has made some bad mistakes but his mentality and the will to improve to give his team a better chance at winning always persevered. There's been times where he just didn't show up... And he realized he needed something to motivate him... To turn that switch on. He would create something that wasn't even there... And run with it. He was so good at this his opponents learned this and refused to go at him. That's how you know theyre on a whole different level, when hall of famers respect you so much that they don't go at you and challenge you. Watching old school Jordan highlights... He even does little things to challenge himself. He will go and take dumb shots... Give the opponents a 5 point deficit and then try his best to comeback being the most aggressive defender turned offense. A lot of his games when it came down to 5 minutes or less and he wanted the win... He just full court presses and is own every pass... Every shot... Everyone's dragging ass ... Tired... Jordan turns up a few notches and looks possessed. He just wanted it more than everyone.
- 6627 the East has been trash. LeBron can run through it with any team. These Eastern teams have been lacking in great defenders. That's why LeBron has a tough time in the finals the Western teams he goes up against are usually better defensively and have great team chemistry
Ulysses432 lmao you hit a nerve with this one. As if making the playoffs(regardless if it's a first rd exit) is somehow worst than missing the playoffs like lebron did in back2back seasons (2003-04/04-05). 😂😂😂its so easy to use their logic against them. According to their arguments, since MJ couldn't make it out the 1st Rd w/o [rookie] Scottie, then that must mean LbJ could not make the playoffs without *Larry Huges* LOL!!! When they give you a stupid "rebuttal", you just give one back ;) Saves you time & you also get a laugh or two out of it lol.
- 6627 "barley"???? Did you just incorrectly try to spell *barely*? Lol! And so what? Every ATG faced adversity. What kind of lame excuse is this? Smh.
MJ was the most competitive player in the league.Every game. Every season. He was a killer. If anything, at the least, that is what keeps Lebron from being in the discussion.
Lebum’s fans grew up in the participation trophy era of sports... it’s not the same to be in the finals as it is to win. If you win you’ll be considered the greatest no questions. If you lose well you were pretty good but you didn’t win. Lebron should’ve won if he wanted to be the 🐐
+KJRawX He was an All-star starting in 89-90 I believe, but your point is relevant. You can't tell the Jordan haters that though. They think Pippen came in playing 40 minutes and guarding 5 positions lol.
Correction. Pippen was an All-star *reserve* in 1989-90 only playing *12* total mins. Pippen became an All-Star starter in the 1991-92 season. Players that have won a championship without an all-star teammate.. 1988-89 Isiah Thomas 1990-91 Michael Jordan 1993-94 Hakeem Olajuwon 1994-95 Hakeem Olajuwon 2002-03 Tim Duncan 2010-11 Dirk Nowitzki
One thing that irks me that the media never considers when LeBron is racking up stats on a nightly basis is... *Fact is LeBron had/has benefits and luxuries Jordan never had, which allow him to score points easier at a higher efficiency.* The average fan does not know this so they are being conned, duped, bamboozled and hoodwinked into believing LeBron is better at something than he actually is. *These extraordinary circumstances must be considered when it comes to LeBron's numbers, especially his scoring numbers.* Fact is LeBron had/has benefits and luxuries Jordan never had, which allow him to score points easier at a higher efficiency. The average fan does not know this so they are being conned, duped, bamboozled and hoodwinked into believing LeBron is better at something than he actually is. These extraordinary circumstances must be considered when it comes to LeBron's numbers, especially his scoring numbers. *1)* Jordan played in a BRUTAL eastern conference. LeBron plays in a creampuff pitiful putrid eastern conference for nearly his entire career. What does this mean you may ask? It means LeBron's statistics are FAR EASIER to come by since the competition level in the EC is borderline atrocious! *Competition and rules changes matter! Do not try to sugarcoat and downplay it!* *2)* LeBron plays in a wide open, freedom of movement, run wherever they want era, who's constantly surrounded by a multitude of sharp shooting 3 point specialists that spread the court wide open. This creates far more space & room to operate, resulting in opening the lanes like Moses parted the Red Sea, making all stats far easier to come by. On the flip side, Jordan played in a much more cluttered, congested, crowded, restricted lane with far LESS space and room to operate, making all his points much harder to come by. *3)* LeBron plays in an era of non-physical, can't touch anyone, freedom of movement, run wherever you want, no hand-checking, no arms bars, no checking in the lane, no holding or grabbing on screens and no getting knocked down to the floor in a consistent basis, resulting in all stats coming far easier to come by. This is basic laws of physics. This is NOT rocket science! We do not need an Astrophysics degree at Harvard, Princeton, Yale, nor need a crystal ball to know this! This is basic logic, basic common sense & basic laws of physics! *Resistance makes it harder to achieve statistics, resulting in far less efficiency.* *4)* Jordan also played in the greatest shot blocking era of all time. Rim protecting shot blockers used to camp out in the paint waiting on perimeter scorers, altering countless shots all over the place. LeBron plays in the worst era of shot shot blocking of all time. The rim protecting center that used to be in camping out in the paint waiting on perimeter scorers is now out at the 3 point line shooting 3's. This also spreads the court wide open, creating much more space & room to operate, resulting in opening the lanes like Moses parted the Red Sea, making all stats coming far easier to come by. *5)* Jordan played in a slow stuck in the mud league offense during his 2nd Three-Peat run. LeBron plays in a much faster paced offense, resulting in more possessions per game, resulting in more statistics in LeBron's boxscores. The 2017-18 Cavs pace is 97.3 possessions per game. The 1997-98 Bulls were at 89.0 possessions per game! *6)* Last but not least, Jordan never played with a teammate that commanded a double team. This means Jordan had to carry the offensive load, while being double and triple teamed for an entire career, making all his points far harder to achieve. LeBron does not have this problem. When he gets double teamed, he passes to one of his multiple knock down 3 point assassins faster than a hooker in sketchers. *These are all crucial factors LeBron-tots turn a blind eye to when debating his scoring numbers. Anyone with 1/16th of a brain that watched Jordan's career knows LeBron couldn't score like Jordan to save his life.*
That's right. MJ helped developed Horace and Scottie from draft (both only 7ppg in their rookie seasons). Lebron jumps ship (twice!) to join teams with established great players. THERE's a big difference there.
LOL @ sorry ass Bosh. Now people want to talk shit about an all star player who was a leader on his prior team. Lebron-tard alert! I could run down the reasons Jordan didn't make the finals but you'd only say LA and Detroit got old. Typical dumb shit.
Jordan won his first three championships, besides Pippen, with Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright and, John Paxson. I mean what a loaded team. The talent was overflowing..
The main reason LeBron will never surpass MJ is the 2011 Finals. MJ never choked in the Finals and he never got outscored by a career role player! I personally think that the best comparison for LeBron is Larry Legend although if I were building a dream team I would probably take Larry over LeBron. Larry had a mean streak and he would mug his own mother to win. That's always been LeBron's achilles heel is that he doesn't have that type of killer instinct like Bird and MJ always had.
pass what? championships? lol If we are talking about rings, you better talk to bill russell 11. If you are talking about scoring championships, all time scoring and mvps, you better talk to kareem jabbar. Kobe is not even in the discussion. Now, you have to ask yourself why do they include Lebron with the GOAT debate? The guy is closing in. The 1st retirement of Jordan and his Washington wizards move is hurting his legacy. This is sad for us Jordan fans but this is the reality.
Lanz Pineda lol! we are talking about kobe and lebron..the fuck does bill russel and jabbar got to do with this..kobe has more rings and more score than le bron now. so he needs to pass it first. then lets talk about jordan. clearly youre an imbecile and an idiot.
the bulls kept bums on the roster. no way jordan had more talent around him. the bulls really were only seven or eight deep most years. list of bums: pete myers rory sparrow will perdue dennis hopson darrell walker dickey simpkins ed nealy these guys couldn't start on the duke blue devils.
kshuburner so how they won 50 plus games in wat u regard as the toughest era your best player played in...so bums won 50 plus games almost made it to the finals but there was competition I don't understand tell me wat am misding
Alex killzu you done?? i'm actually not a jordan lover. i don't overhype him. but i did grow up in chicago. and watched him play everyday since i was eleven or twelve years old...'87. every game. my dad kept cable 😂. and i read the sun times and tribune daily. the players i mentioned were not nba talent. they were not assets. they were only on the bulls because they were euro or cheap salary. i actually consider lbj more talented and physically gifted than jordan. jordan was jus a better scorer. but that doesn't mean i won't acknowledge the bulls roster was mixed in with subpar talent for that period. bulls are notoriously known for not paying players and filling the roster with euros to satisfy season ticket holders.
Alex killzu The fact that LeBron took bums to 60 wins is an indictment on how sorry the east was and still is... Jordan was up against Larry Bird and the Celtics loaded with 5 Hall of famers and than its the Bad Boy Pistons and Jordan had 0 all stars to play with.
The fact that they said Jordan always had the better team when every finals win Lebron has gotten has been with other superstars he recruited to the team. These sports analysts are complete trash!
LeBron : media made superstar
MJ : ppl's champ
Thank you.
Started when he went straight to the nba. The nba hyped him up so much because they needed a Jordan replacement, or something close.
Facts
@Sterlin Jordan media hype? Media slandered Kobe after that Rape case
That's not true and bullshit MJ is the goat but lebron is one of the Goats easily
MJ vs LeBron
This is a silly debate. Clearly Michael is better. It's not even a close one. But let's go to the facts. Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has
•3 more rings
•3 more final mvps
•1 more DPOY
•1 more season MVP
•9 more scoring titles
•3 more steals leader
•3 more all defensive team selections
•4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer lol.
•800 more steals
•Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10)
•Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals
Lebron did it twice
•6/6 (never allowed a game 7)
•Lebron had much more help
•Jordan never had a teammate averaged more than 22 points in the finals..
Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26
•MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs
•MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games..
All of this accomplished in 13 seasons
Lebron is in his 14th season still chasing the "ghost that played in Chicago"
•Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg.
(86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics.
•Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line.
•in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this.
•the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%.
•MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3%
•MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3.
•MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9%
•MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year..
Seriously this list can keep going. This isn't even a debate. Mj is the GOAT.
Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls:
-10 STRAIGHT scoring titles,
-Won Defensive Player of the Year,
-9 times all defensive team,
-9time All NBA,
-5 league MVPs
-6 finals MVPs
All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career...
And before you criticize me for copy and pasting just know that it doesn’t matter if it’s copied or not, truth is truth.
Check Mate.
Facts ^
Clinical proof, devoid of feminine emotional baggage.
Shannon Sharpe is braindead. He loves LeBron's ass
Not only all that, but don`t forget all the rule changes and the softening of the foul calls from Jordan`s time to LeBron`s time. The NBA has made SO many rule changes to protect the scorers now that all LeBron has to do is drive the lane and with the current rules, no one can stop him. If LeBron tried that back in Jordan`s time, guys like Lambeer and Parish would just elbow Lebron in the face while he`s driving the lane and just get a regular foul, no flagrant foul penalties back then (late 80`s - early 90`s). Because of the "Jordan Rules" implemented by the Pistons, that`s why the league started giving out flagrant foul penalties. Just imagine Jordan`s stats if the NBA implemented those penalties BEFORE Jordan started his career. Jordan would have at LEAST 2-3 more championships.
@Danakil Barrett Can you explain how Jordan could possibly be 1-9 in the playoffs BEFORE Pippen? And you say that Jordan had what you consider nowadays a SUPER TEAM because he had Horace Grant(who was a 9.3 pts per game scorer after the Bulls and not playing with Jordan) and Rodman (who averaged around 5.5 pts per game with the Bulls and could literally ONLY rebound). The Miami Heat were at least the same if not better as a team than the Bulls. They had Bosh, Wade, Ray Allen and Mario Chalmers. Then you say Jordan played 15 years and 6 championships. 2 of those years he played UNDER 20 games, and the last 2 seasons he played, he was 39, 40, 41 years old with bad knees, AND he played on a Wizards team that you probably can`t name a single player on that team without looking it up. He played on that team because he worked with the Wizards and owned a part of the team. So subtracting the 2 seasons he played less than 20 games and the 2 seasons with the Wizards, that leaves 11 seasons with a perfect 6/6 in the finals. BTW, did LeBron ever beat a finals opponent by 42? The answer is no. And you mention that LeBron is closing in on more rebounds than Jordan. You DO know that Jordan was a shooting guard and LeBron is a small FORWARD, right? Plus, LeBron has already played 100 MORE games than Jordan(even counting Jordan`s 2 years with the terrible Wizards where Jordan was just going through the motions), and still hasn`t caught up to Jordan`s point total yet. It`s not the total points one gets, it how long it takes to get them. By your definition, if Kareem Abdul Jabbar played 40 years in the NBA and scored 50,000 pts, HE would be the greatest? And saying LeBron will pass Jordan in assists is admitting LeBron has more players he could pass to that could score, hence a better supporting team. Most of what you said supports that Jordan is the greatest, which is obviously true even by your OWN reasoning. And I agree. Jordan is the GOAT.
The last dance basically validated everything in this vid. This guys is so educated.
Man has he put out any NEW videos?
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yeah he tends to say things that are deemed 'controversial' ahead of the the curve and then on the back end he's proven right. Life is like that, you just gotta extricate yourself from low level thinkers or ppl who get clouded by the clutter
@@TheGr8SageSama got that but is it new content being released?
His video about Bitcoin was unbelievable. The man speaks great and he is very educated.
Damn near 5 years later, and LeBron still isn’t on Michael Jordan’s level
What happened to COJ? Did he retire?
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Once MJ kissed that TROPHY he became unbeatable. End of conversation.
Except the year before his second three peat...
@@riseandshout00 yeah the year he came back to basketball for the first time in TWO YEARS
@@lcpd5700 it was a year and a half. Get your facts straight
@@riseandshout00 on played 15 games that season, it doesnt count. Only things of note for MJ were the double nickel and concord 11s
He was playing baseball
This is why it's scary to have analysts dictate the narrative. Notice the people that have actually played in the NBA are all saying he's just not there yet. And all the analysts insist on getting a juicy story and trying to rely on numbers. It's almost corny.
you are so right, even if you disagree you are stuck in the box talking about it, which by default legitimizes it.
Steven Joseph the numbers can't even be compared cause the game is different now.
Patinho It's different but not completely different. Mind you, those numbers are based off of two years that MJ wasn't even playing.
Too corny
Jordan never choked in the finals
FACTS!
@Philmore Joseph Why does no one talk abt not makin the playoffs??
"Jordan made pippen " exactly what I remember. that is true greatness when in practice you can push other players to there limits and when it's game time it's not as hard. Brilliance
Jordan made the entire bulls
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@Evan the argument lebron fanboys make is Lebron made it to the Finals with no help before Jordan could make the Finals. Jordan didn't go to the Finals until Phil and Scottie got there, and since Lebron can play all 5 positions he's a better bball player. The new thing now is that MJ didn't face the competition that LJ did in the finals.
This guy actually sounds like an analyst. ESPN is a joke.
Let me guess you're a skip bayless fan?
And don't forget that moron Nick Wrong. He is the most spaced out cadet of them all.
I wouldn’t go that far to say he sounds like an analyst.
@@meg-k-waldren never ever listen to anyone who has never, ever been THERE. AS a former Marine and Army Soldier, my civilian friends do not get how I handle challenges...... they break down when under fire. Jordan never backed down from any challenge and Jalen gets it. They were on the floor against him.
The goat does not get swept in a final series. MJ =🐐
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Twice
c panis but in the first round lol
TWICE hahaha
Cadillac Kadafi 1-9 b4 Scottie 🤷🏽♂️
The GOAT doesn’t get swept in the first round 😂 BRON will finish his career as the GOAT
Nobody will ever replace MJ
Kevin P. N’Guessan you wish in your little mind. Mj is the goat of the NBA
@@jamieborges4281 stop both, get a room.
AA Michaels stop 🛑 it! Get some help!
@AA Michaels STOP it get some help!
Oh yeah! THE Best! Debate? Why?
Combine all of Jordan’s teammates he ever had and they have a total of 11 all star appearances not including Jordan....do the same with Lebron and all his teammates have a total of 44 all star appearances not including Lebron 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
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And most were from Pippen, who had to work as a pupil of Jordan to become a bench warmer to a good role player to a great star
You just dropped some serious Gems with that!!!! GREAT!
And not including Scottie Pippen it would be like 3 or 4
Yes but he has been on 3 teams
9x all defense first team. Dpoy. 10x scoring champ along with it. This isnt a debate....
@Jonathan Cortes Mark Eaton(Jazz), Olajawon, Alvin Robertson and Ewing. 3 HOFers. Eaton was a blocking machine(not much else). So the competition to win that award was fierce. MJ also won MVP that year(his first) he averaged 32.5ppg, 8rb, 8ast. He was the man. If he wanted to he could have probably did those numbers for the rest of his career. Would he have won without Scottie? Bron Bron always had help except for that first finals and it showed. He stunk and the numbers prove it. There is MJ, then there is everybody else...
@Jonathan Cortes oh and Bron joined teams that were already decent. Wade had already won a championship when Lebron and Bosh came. Lebron went back to Cleveland with Kyrie and Thompson and acquired Love. MJ with those dudes would have smoked GS WITH KD.
And when he won those scoring titles, he missed a total of 10 games. He never “rested”. I hate when players rest now a days. Soft generation. Load management, fucking pathetic
housepumpinpc true dat
Well, Lebron’s hairline is still going strong. Jordan can never top that. Point for Lebron.
Lebron has not passed magic, Larry, or MJ.
U Right !!
Word!!!!
fr now Lebron played with 3 Superstars (1 HOFamer) and 4 All Stars
Nor passed Tim Duncan or kobe or wilt and kareem
Media advertise him as the goat even before he wins a single ring
The series against the Mavs finished this debate for me.
It shouldn’t define his entire career but it is definitely an inexcusable stain
because the standard is PERFECTION blame MJ for putting such a high ceiling on this debate
Jordan is a win ,Wade showed L.James how too win LJ is not a assassin
Phil jackson showed jordan how to win . Lebron has always had rookie coaches . Pretty much taught himself how to play .
@@Tomsta62 yea get out the way im the coach player and gm smh. Bron isnt clutch at all...plays no defense...
LeeVoneBTS no he didn’t people always push this narrative that phil was a godlike coach... NO he wasn’t he became coach in 88 or 89 not sure which one but they both developed together. phil took the triangle formula and perfected it in that era with mj!
Hugh Howard not clutch ? Lebron has more game winners then mj and kobe combined in the post season gtfo.. and no defense ? 2012 and 2013 he was 2nd in dfoy and got first all nba defense . Stfu
@@VortexFromFire LeBron has 18 game winners until Dec 26 2019 , Jordan has 25 and Kobe has 27.
Also statistics say that lebron' s chance of making two free throws in a row is less than that of flipping a coin and getting a head. He has missed several game winning free throws btw. LeBron is definitely a great player but isn't as great as Jordan.👍👍👍
Nobody gonna mention that Steve Kerr, who was Jordan's teammate on the Bulls in the 90's, is now the coach of the Warriors who are, in turn, now handing Lebron his butt every year. I find that hilarious.
Kerr uses phil jackson antics and the warriors defense is built like those bulls teams...
Yeah what team is better then those warriors that mj played against not one team is close
That ain't got nothing to do with nothing bro.
Okay so LeBron's not Michael Jordan but why in the hell would he wanna be considering that he's probably the most dominant individual and overall player the league has EVER seen maybe aside from Kareem Abdul Jabar so just stop with the nonsense already and I really believe that Jalen is a little jealous because he knows Lebron could take that pretty little wife of his if he wanted to.
Man Jordan dominated a league where Vinny Del Negro, BJ Armstrong and Kyle friggin Macy started in! 😂😂😂 Could any of those guys even make a roster in TODAY'S NBA? I think we ALL know the answer.
Those Bad Boy piston back to back champs would beat any Team Lebron won a ring with.
That defense was incredible
Joe Smerksky how do you know
Uhhhm no , 2012 Miami would beat the bad boy pistons in a series. Kid Lebron single handedly ended the Pistons that beat Kobe the previous year, with the trash Cavs
@@thedipper6594 2012 lakers were garbage
A1zWestcoast I know they were , what do they got to do with this? Lol
Detroit had to create a whole set of rules just to beat Jordan. Nuff said.
Cuz they olds and 😂 also warriors had to create the best team of all time to beat Lebron like wtf u talking about
@@justinselemy5458 ramblings of a child. Go to bed little boy. And I'd still take showtime lakers over warriors any day.
1991 Pistons:
Isiah Thomas HoF ( age 30 ) - All-star 1991.
Joe Dumars HoF ( age 27 ) - All-star 1991.
RODMAN HoF ( age 29 ) - 2x Defensive Player of the Year ( 1990 and 1991 ).
2014 Spurs:
Tim Duncan ( age 38 ), Manu ( age 36 ), Tony Parker ( age 32 ).
*In 2014, Kawhi Leonard ( age 22 ) was not yet a star, only averaged 12-ppg.*
Michael Jordan will never lose to old Tim Duncan ( age 38 ) and will not allow a player with an average of 12-ppg to win the FMVP award.
@@allanhouston6759 he wont believe that brother.
@@allanhouston6759 no matter how clear you explain it to this lbj nutsuckers they'll deny those facts and argue how numbers/stats could tell all the stories of the game.. fucking millenials
This video has aged well💯🎯
Real talk....Every thing Lebron does MJ did first and better ,MJ did everything the hard way and made it happen
So true well said
ROKK STAR just because he did it first means nothing
X without gorge Mikan there is no Jordan that argument makes no sense
@@RandySavagxe you missed the and better part.
Lebron hasn’t even passed Kobe or magic🤷🏽♂️
Sauce God Entertainment naw
Kobe ? 😂😂😂😂😂
Yes he has
@@lucass8317 stats but not skill...nba soft asf...why they vetoed kobe & chris paul. Lebron the first coach, player, & Gm...
Hugh Howard in my opinion he has more skill
Jordan is and will always be head's and shoulders over LeBron James. That simple.
Plain and simple gotta like it...
Dude lost in the finals to Dirt, when he had Wade and Bosh on his team.
@@TransformativeMind
2014 Nba Finals.
Spurs: Tim Duncan ( age 38 ), Manu ( age 36 ), Kawhi ( age 22 ), Tony Parker was the only star player in his team.
Miami Heat:
Lebron All-star 2014
Wade All-star 2014
Bosh All-star 2014 BUT Lebron still lost even with that help.
2013 Nba Finals.
Spurs: Tim Duncan ( age 37 ), Manu ( age 35 ), Kawhi ( age 21 ), Prime Tony Parker.
Miami Heat:
Lebron All-star 2013
Wade All-star 2013
Bosh All-star 2013
Ray Allen ( age 37 ) Still needed 7 games to beat the Spurs.
2011 Nba Finals
Mavs: Jason Kidd ( age 38 ), Shawn Marion ( age 32 ), 5"9 J.J Barea, Jason Terry ( age 33 ),
32-years-old Dirk Nowitzki was the only star player in his team.
Miami Heat:
Lebron All-star 2011
Wade All-star 2011
Bosh All-star 2011
Dwyane Wade= 26-7-5, FG-54%
But Lebron still lost even with that help.
Allan Houston at least he could win in the playoffs by himself. unlike mj. all i really have to say is, 1-9.
@@YPK_BINKZ
1988 ECFR: Bulls vs Cavs ( 3-2 )
JORDAN = 45- 5- 5, FG-56%
Pippen = 10- 5- 2, FG-47%
Bulls in the second Round only thanks to JORDAN, Rookie Scotte Pippen wasn"t even the third best player on the team.
But random fans do not know these facts. ruclips.net/video/KJqLZCBa6F8/видео.html
Lebrons ass was saved by his team several times while MJ saved his team everytime
lebron james 2007 - 2OT, ECF, scores the teams last 25 points, scores or assists the last 30 points, Cavs win and go to the finals - 1 example of him saving his team (early in his career, hes had more)
Mj 1993 - nba finals game 6, with the game on the line to win the championship passes the ball to scottie pippen, scottie pipen passes it to horace grant who passes it to paxon, paxon hits the 3 and they win the chip - 1 example of his teamates saving him (had more)
Didnt take much to prove you wrong
@@coroxtheduck6202 so you mean, lebron is better than mj?
@@zharlou30Bacalso if thats what you think my point was than you didnt even pay attention to what you wrote, you said in quite the disrespectul fation "Lebrons ass was SAVED by his team SEVERAL times while MJ SAVED his team EVERYTIME", i showed examples where that didnt happen (and theres more), proved you wrong
@@coroxtheduck6202 im referring to the 6 championship game.. 2x 3 peat
@@zharlou30Bacalso thats a weird concept of everytime
Bird: If you wanna win you’ll play with Kobe...
Bird: If you wanna go out and have fun you’ll play with Lebron...
If you wanna learn to flop play with Lebronze
Watching Jordan I can watch for eternity and make me want to play b ball again even at mid 40s. Watching Lebrun I fall asleep and drop out of playing b ball. Period.
LeChoke is a joke....
You mean the guy who came back from a 3-1 deficit in the finals ok
@@thereasonofficial9254 then got swept twice
U mean after warriors got kd the following season and then when lebron had nobody after kyrie left ok
@@evileyegaming405 you mean after they got kd the following season and then kyrie left after ok
This comment is so bias, unfair and rude. You don’t need to put down someone’s greatness to prove MJ as the goat. Lebron is a great player and probably the best we’ve seen after MJ
Jordan never played with a player to average 20 points for a career...
Just imagine Jordan coming out of high school and not taking a few years off in his prime. He would have 40,000 points and 8 NBA titles.
Not Lebrons scary ass!!!
Ik. I wish mj didn't retired for 4 yrs.
Or 6-2 on the finals
He could have done all that still had he not retired in 93 and 99 playing straight through 02-03 like John Stockton. That's what's crazy about MJ his retirements are a what if?
Italian Guy and the broke his team up early listen to his interview
Ive followed Jordans career he is a clear Greatest of all Time.
heyglasses not even close for me.
Trash Talker, I bet u didn't even watch MJ during he's entire career, yet have an opinion on it from highlights.
Trash Talker No you are one of the biggest LeCock rider of all time, simple MJ ,6 titles, 6 MVPS,. LBJ 3/9, MJ perfect in finals, LeBitchs 6 losses most finals losses for any fmr MVP Reg Season in history, so at least LeBron is better than Jordan at one thing, Losing!
Do to the fact mj got 6 chips.
Niners94 just because someone wins more doesn’t make them better lol if me and you are in a argument about who’s better and you argue “but my team was better than yours we won more” you would get looked at like an asshole lol so why do you do it for nba greats like bron and mike . Seriously think about that .. you and me argue about who is better .. mind you , YOU played 10 years before me , under TOTALLY different NBA rules , in a totally different era , against TOTALLY different competition , under different coaches and different systems .. like I can go on .. they play two different positions , two different styles of play , two different body types , when looking at it from a “who’s better?” Point of view is hard . Winning doesn’t make you better it’s 5 on 5 basketball . Winning makes you better if you box or golf or play ping pong lol
Jordan ,undefeated in the finals. Never passed the ball and took the last shot .Didn't pass it or miss the last shot.unlike le-who
BTW -- Whoever is this Judah 144 should be an analyst , he knows this game .........
I’ve seen him on a jxmy high roller vid, he knows his stuff for sure
YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT BRO!..THEY WASNT OLD THEY JUST GOT THEY ASS WOOPED . AMEN
"Jordan MADE Pippen". Facts. Thank you.
And Tony freekin' Parker beat LeBron James TWICE in the Finals. And once he was the MVP. Over LeBron. During LeBron's prime (check LBJ's numbers in the 2007 regular season before you reply). That ALONE suffices to end this argument. There's NO comparing LeBron to Michael Jordan.
Yeah man Jordan helped develop Pip there's no question - I think Scottie was always going to be a good or great player but Mj made him a star (not a super-star)
NJD they made each other, Jordan won nothing without Pippen and the reverse holds true.
You're definitely right about that. Also the east definitely helped LeBron.
As Phil Jackson himself stated, "When Scotty came into the league, I put him with Jordan so he could learn the tricks of the trade." And there is also another story (forgot who stated this but it's on RUclips) of when Scotty challenged Jordan to a 1-on-1. Jordan let loose and all Pippen could do was say, "Damn, slow down man." That tells me all I need to know.
Jordan was out of an era with no talent. Reggie Miller was the closest thing to a rival to Jordan at the time. The Stockton Malone tag team was also a big deal (against Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman). Compare that to all the great players (or even ensembles) that Lebron has had to contend with. through his 7 year finals run (no particular order)
Kyrie Irving
Isaiah Thomas
Dwight Howard
Derrick Rose
Kevin Love
Dirk Nowitzki
Steph Curry (and Klay)
Kevin Durant
Paul, Griffin, and Jordan
The Gasols
Dwyane Wade
Chris Bosh
Anthony Davis
Demarcus Cousins
Carmelo Anthony
Paul George
Kristaps Porzingis
Russel Westbrook
Damian Lilliard
C.J. McCollum
Lemarcus Aldridge
Kawhi Leonard
John Wall
Zack Randolph
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Steve Nash
There's 30 players, most of which are better than Reggie Miller.
You can't compare the success of Lebron to that of Michael. Michael was playing on "easy". Lebron has been playing on "very hard"... but has also been far more opportunist than Michael Jordan when it comes to finding team-mates.
Don't forget... As of yet... Lebron has NOT had the equivalent of Jordan's Washington years.
Lebron is on his fifteenth year in the league... That means, this year is the equivalent of Jordan's last year in Washington... and Lebron is still in his prime (supposedly). Lebron has already played 60 games (and counting) more than Jordan did in his entire career... and of the 1136 games he's played... he's started in all but one game in 2008.
Make no mistake about it... Lebron and Jordan are not comparable... and that's the only thing that keeps Michael Jordan in this discussion. By any whole picture account... Lebron has achieved almost as much in a league that is WAY WAY WAY more competitive.
if mj didn't retire in the mid 90s he'd have not only a 8 finals streak like lebron, but he probably would've won them and remained flawless in the finals
as a jordan fan honestly they wouldn't due to the nba not having rest back then so they would prob get injured but they would easily make the finals every year
You're spot on on 96, I was a senior in HS, and Jordan's 96 title was beast mode that no one playing since can touch.
Let's not forget Jordans supporting cast. He demanded their excellence, and they responded positively. That's the mark of the GOAT.
Salahuddin Ahmed and also the guys that didn’t were basically let go. There’s been guys who didn’t respond well to Jordan as a teammate (obviously MJ could be tough on teammates) but that’s a good thing it got rid of the guys who wouldn’t show toughness when things got tough.
If jordan played now in this era we would marvel at how jordan is the greatest thing we ever seen and lebron would be another great player like steph duncan durant or what have you. We would say he might be the best all time of his position and probably compare him to magic because he can play multiple positions well but it would still be jordan pandemonium. Seriously thats the way it would be if jordan was around in this era
I'm calling BS on that. Jordan would rank behind Lebron, KD, Giannis, Kawhi Leonard, James Harden, and many others in this era. He'd b a really good 3 and D guy but not among the leagues top 5 players.
@@fredrickmeredith3564
5"8 Isiah Thomas in the 2016/17 season: 29-ppg and top 5 in the MVP vote.
Top 5 ? ?
In the 90s, he will never even be in the top 10.
2019/20 season:
6"1 Trae Young ( age 21 ) = 30-ppg FG-44%
6"3 Bradley Beal ( SG ) = 30-ppg FG-45%
6"6 JORDAN ( SG ) will be dominate in this era.
Allan Houston Jordan would dominate any era, same with lebron. Imagine lebron, or Giannis, or even Ben Simmons not having to go against zone defense
@@fredrickmeredith3564 you lebron fans are complete idiots, Jordan would be far better than anyone you named, lebron isn't even a top 5 all time great
You cannot compared Lexus to a Ford Pinto
MJ = Lexus
LBJ= Ford Pinto
LeBron need TOO much help to be on Jordan level
Jordan played in the era of a hard knocks life versus LeBron plays in the era of the protected. If LeBron got beat up every game like the players of the last generation, would he be that great still? MJ was an assassin! MJ would fight you if he had to in order to pull out that victory.
Bron is 6.9 250 he would dominate 90s era
Justin Selemy he flops
@@justinselemy5458 so I guess there weren't any 6'9 250lb players in the NBA ever before LeBron hahahaha. And that's not even the debate, he very well could have done well in that era, but MJ would have stopped him just like how he stopped every other superstar lolll. Man these LeBron loving kids don't do any research before talking lol. It's either the typical "I know everything" or "I don't need to look up history"
Like against some of the 90s team bron probably could've got injured
@@justinselemy5458 - MJ was told he could never be great at the beginning of his career because he was only 6'5.....how did that turn out?
It is so simple: 6 finals; 6 rings, 6 finals mvp, all finals won in 6 games. How can anybody compare these 2? Now, do you want to talk about skills? I don't think LeBron wins that discussion either, but it will be a lot closer. You can look at all the stats you want and the conversation will again be close, but if you talk about mentality; specially in the clutch! LeBron is not in the same category as MJ!
Israel Rodriguez Bulls beat LA Lakers 4 games to 1 in 1991
Bulls beat Blazers 4 games to 1 in 1992
Holy crap michael jordan sold his soul to the devil
zReNAgAdE504 yes he quit but still accomplish more in less time. The more u win in less time the better u r
zReNAgAdE504 some of those players mj faced also. Shaq, kobe, kg, Duncan, dirk, pierce
Illuminati 666...Kobe should have 8 rings 4 Finals MVPs 5 Reg. MVPs...(if CP3 trade goes through but of course the league didn’t want Kobe to pass MJ)
Jordan six NBA finals and six NBA finals MVP'S! END OF DISCUSSION!! Remember how LeBron quit on his teammates against Dallas! Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder can see who the better player is!
Holy shit I know this is old but bro your analysis is sooooo dead on great especially when you mention how MJ make other great because of his pressure
Bro keep going because even on 2019 this hasn't stop
God bless you and what a great video
MJ won 6 championship with one team.LJ had to leave the CAV's because he couldn't win a championship with them.So he went to a stacked Heat team to win two championship.Then comeback to the Cav's finally win a chip for them.LJ went to seven championship and only won 3 championship out of seven.Jordan never lost a championship game.MJ went to six championship and won all six championships.
Bam the all time great team bulls baby 91 92 93 96 97 98!!! Just think no retirement from mj 94 95 too!!! That's why houston won!!! When mj sat out because of david stern!!!
MJ The Goat Period!!!
And LeBron lost 2 finals with that stacked team to less talented teams! LeBron completely choked - something you'll never hear about MJ.
Then he lost 3 finals with stacked Cleveland teams, though GS clearly had the better team in 2 of those.
Also he never played a game seven in a series
Gee Kooda Jordan made Scottie
I just look at it like this. If Labron and Jordan were on the same team, who is team captain? Who would be there leading scorer, and who would take the winning shot?! case closed.
Giambo Lowso Never look at like that. Thats a GREAT one. I bet u have won a lot of arguments with that. KEEP SPITTING FIRE A$$ FACTS..
Mj.
man you nailed that one Great point.
Gianbo Lowso scalabraine
LeBron will become Scottie pipen 2
They built a team around Jordan, they didn’t go and get every available superstar to come and play with him. There’s a difference. MJ the GOAT
CONGRATS on getting 1 MILLION VIEWS COJ! Continued SUCCESS my BROTHER
I think jordan would've owned the decade if he didn't play baseball
Ernie L And he still owned the decade lol.
Why ya'll love to tell lies, ya'll act like he didn't get eradicated in ECF by Orlando Magic.... foh wit the nonsense... the reason he retired was stress (fathers death), fatigue (something Lebron seem to master) and gambling issues.... no damn way he'd win against Rockets.... he even admitted it...
jay czar The dream would've ate they lunch in the finals. The bulls had no answer for them
Ronnie Jones dude you obviously don't know shit about basketball. The bulls would've destroyed Houston who needed 7 games to beat the Knicks who was gonna guard Jordan or pippen. The bulls would've won 8 in a row if it wasn't for Jordan retiring
Ernie L
Well, he did anyway, but I see what you mean
facts have been spit
I grew up a Bulls fan....when Michael arrived....Oh my. As any Bulls fan knows, it was amazing to watch those teams, and to us, Michael was a god. Having said that, I don't like how all these comparison discussions turn in to diminishing what Lebron has done. As many have said before, Lebron will go down as one of the game's best, but what he doens't do is occupy the rare air of Michael. They're simply just different cats. Kobe was the closest I'd seen to Michael, but even the Mamba didn't have some of the same intangibles that make Michael legendary.
Taking off from the free throw line and smashing a biah
@Joseph Penigar - agreed, lebron and the media push it. And if it's not up to par, then uts not diminishing. Cant ask for all the attention in the room, then control how its given to you. (Just a Example) if one claims to be a 10 and they're really a 6, then they're a 6, not a 10. Thats not diminishing, its fact. Lebron is awesome, just not what he or media sell him to be. That's all. With the best of help maybe in his career. He was (2-4) and by the skin of his teeth with a lil luck he got that 2 than a 1. Then again with help, went (1-3). (1-2) if you want to discount 17-18 for wtv reason.
I don’t think there really is a definite GOAT. But there are the greatest players of certain Era’s. LeBron has his Era, and Jordan has his. It’s not right to diminish the legacies of these great players to see which one is better.
The problem is Lebron says and does things that creates “haters”. When you call yourself the greatest, it’s hard not to laugh at him. We diminish him to help compensate for the blind witnesses. Basically we try to preserve the legitimacy of the NBA
Austin Stull I think Jordan really dominated his era, Lebron has always played wit more talent N I think that’s why it’s really hard to call him the goat if you watch Jordan in the finals It was like he was flawless Wit lesser talent and still won Lebron on the other hand we seen him have bad nights in the finals wit more talent And lose this is one of the reasons why people Don’t see him as the greatest
SHOUTOUT to you on 1 million views on this video King. Salute!
Damn!! 6years and those Jalens face in the end still stuck in my mind until now 😂😂😂
MJ clear cut goat. Had shorter NBA career, better resume and more rings during that span, while playing against more future hall of famers, never left the team that drafted in order to win. While LeBron had to to join different super teams to win a ring. Simply not as talented to do it on his own.
Strong analysis. I agree with Billups on Kobe, though. I don’t think he gets his fair due.
As far as Lebron goes, if the PED thing is true, it will come out eventually and the debate will be over. If not, he’ll need to not lose anymore championships for him to even be considered the GOAT. For me, it’s MJ.
PED is real. That finals when he was exhausted, his drugs weren't tailored for the heat. Wade even rolled his eyes. He had to get weird injections to help him be normal.
@@at1212b the fact that he needs shots and drugs says it all .... weaaakkk
Kobe lost to The Suns. LB would have beat the Suns in playoffs
He is the face of NBA so of course they want him to have no trouble whatsoever
at1212 b I think it’s weird that an athlete gets cramped up like that They should have him stretch more cuz it happened more then once
Miss your wisdom, Judah. Hope you're having a good life.
Scottie couldn't even dribble the basketball when he was a rookie
#Facts
For everyone who wants to bring up Steve Kerr taking the clutch shot to win the series, the difference between Kyrie and Kerr was that the play was designed for michael to anticipate the double team, which he did, to set up the shot for Kerr to shoot so MJ still played apart of that clutch possession. The ball was in Kyrie's hands from the beginning, LeBron wanted no part of that play. Kyrie had the ball and immediately went iso, so no Windhorst. That argument does not hold.
Kim Stuart Insane that anyone would conflate the 2 shots. Not to mention Kerr doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same book as Kyrie as player.
I agree man. Not counting the OKC title, every championship he's won was on a game 7 and won by the slightest of margins. Lebron's a Phenominal player but he's not Jordan
Dominique Robinson a win is a win whether it's by 1 point or a million.
Ali Bumaye Yeah u right, but we're talking about if LeBron is the Goat or not. It shouldn't always have to be that close for the greatest player
Dominique Robinson who played better before they had super teams? I know MJ was great but he isn't God. He had real decencies that he worked on and improved. The media use to talk about him being unable to win like they did Lebron. Once you get that absolutely savage roster the Bulls had and a great coach like Phil winning is not a problem.
Ali Bumaye Yea LeBron was able to make the Finals without much help and even did it in 2015 without Kyrie or Love. But what does it for me is that meltdown he had against the Mavs and in 2014 when they lost by a record margin against the Spurs. Lebron's a wayyy better facilitator and almost or better scorer than Jordan, but I just wouldn't wanna see those types of losses in the Finals that's all
Power Gear You wouldn't be saying that if it was the Pistons instead of LeBron &Cavs that made it to the finals that year
Jordan is the Goat. He won the title 6 times with the same team. Two three peats, LB chasing rings, M.Jordan earned rings. DA BULLS.
NCAA GOAT🏆
Outside The Box
Kareem is The NCAA GOAT
3x Ncaa champ
3x Ncaa final four mvp
3x Ncaa POTY
3x Pac-Ten Poty
3x All-America 1st Team
Dumisa Tony Johnson yep
When mj left the bulls the bulls won 55 games I think so that tram was good without mj
@@outsidethebox3020 No, not even close...
Great points. Very well reasoned argument. I would just like to add. The teams Jordan beat in his 6 finals, those LOSING teams would have beat any Lebron led team in his entire career. That shows the competition Jordan was going up against.
Example?
Fuck no
Piston Starters: Bill Laimbeer is 6 years older than Jordan. Mark Aguirre is 3 years older, Dennis Rodman and Isiah Thomas are 2 years older, John Salley is 9 months older and Joe Dumars is a few months younger than Jordan. Bulls Starters: Bill Cartright is 6 years older than Jordan, Craig Hodges and John Paxson are 3 years older, Horace Grant & Scottie Pippen are 2 years younger. Jordan & the Bulls beat the Pistons when he was 28 Years old. Laimbeer and Cartright were the oldest on the court at 33 years (they were both about to turn 34). The Bulls beat a tough Jazz team when Jordan was 35 and Rodman was 37. The Pistons were not old when the Bulls swept them in '91.
Neither were the Lakers.
Yo damn near everything in here is on point. When you said "Jordan made Pippen" I was like dude THANK YOU!" Nobody seems to understand that Pippen was garbage when he came into the league. The only thing I need to correct was the Kerr shot. The play was designed for Jordan but Jordan turned to Kerr and told him that he was gonna give him the ball knowing that no one would expect it and Kerr told him "ill be ready". There's any interview where Kerr talks about that specific play
Jason Terry got LeBron in his wall 😆
and J.J. Barea!!
Jordan was raised by his father. That's the difference in drive and character.
"He has Tim Duncan on the wall, he has Kevin Durant on the wall, he has Steph Curry on the wall..."
They all have Lebron on their wall MORE than Lebron got them 🤷🏾♂️
I am from Akron Ohio. I was at Richfield when MJ did the cavs dirty as little kid. I hated Jordan, but after he got passed the pistons. MJ killed the east every year and he did it over and over eventually he made me believe and respect him. I played saint V, I watched lebron every game from high school to now. When people make this argument that Lebron is better than jordan and they do it so casually it is so disrespectful to Jordan and what it means to be the best ever, to be the babe ruth of a game. Lebron is great but he doesnt have the body of work, He could but needs some more young lebron vs pistons in playoff carrying type games in the finals to even compare. Jordan owned games his will to win was unmatched and he simply would not quit.
Facts. I´m was knicks fan and can testify to Jordan´s will to win. He had the eye of the tiger. Lebron got the eye of the diva.
Lebron got swept....
twice
in the Finals.
MJ Never lost a Finals series.
Case closed.
look who on his team then and who they playing
Needs more context
Never got bronze in olympics
Redeem team vs dream team
@@theonlyalecazam2947 Watch MJ in the finals on RUclips and then watch LeBron in the finals on RUclips. All the context you need is right there.
not even an inch that LeBron near to MJ. Even if he has a long career than MJ, he will never be that close of greatness to MJ. I can mention so many things that MJ is the GOAT, to all of these great young players. If they can beat all of MJ achievements in the same amount of time of career then they can beat MJ to be the GOAT.
LeBrons went to 7 straight finals and has won 3. Michael went to 6 finals in an 8 year span and won 6. Michael won when it counted and LeBron wants to cry about his team needing "better players" when it can't get much better. Jordan played through illnesses and fatigue and LeBron gets a little warmer than usual and he can't play. Jordan would gladly take every clutch time shot he was asked to take and LeBron wants to put the ball in somebody else's hands so THEY can have a 50/50 chance of hitting or missing, instead of him taking control in crunch time. This comparison is by far still out of the question, LeBron is GREAT, sure, but is definitely no Jordan. Don't compare stats, compare overall careers, and you get your answer.
Are You High, Kobe worse team by record would be in the playoffs in the East. Some of LeBron teams wouldn't make it in the West.
Man don't desrespect Kobe like that.
Finals W-L: Jordan 6-0 / James 3-6 > > never a debate....LeBron's legacy earns him a top 10, not even in GOAT convo.
Jordan Vs Lebron ITS NOT Close JORDAN 🐐
Andrew Harper im 14 and i know LeBron is no where close to jordan. His passion for the game and they way he played in the decade he was in shows how good he was and I wouldn’t ever consider lebron close.
Coming back to this video and seeing how they make excuses for LeBron James this season saying he doesn't really care about regular season really shows how the NBA and a liberal Source media protects LeBron James image I cannot imagine at the age of 33 Michael Jordan not dominating the sport that he loved and taking every game serious thanks brother peace
Taulib 215 North philly LeBron dominates lol
Can we not bring politics into this? I agree that Jordan is the GOAT and it has nothing to do with my political views. I can see. End of story.
Brian Nguyen well, espn is owned by Disney and they insert their leftist slant onto everything just like the rest of the media/Hollywood. Look at what Disney did to the new Star Wars. Just sjw propaganda. Look at everyone's reaction in the media to Trump winning. Even Chuck, Shaq, Ernie, and Kenny had to say how shocked and dissapointed they were to Trump winning.
Morty 215 , 696 , J K North philly I dont Think LeBron Is Top 5 but I do think Kobe Bryant is Top 5 .
Jimmy D'Amora probably cause they didn’t support trump
MJ : never lost in the final the GOAT enough SAID
I remember when Roy Hibbert was considered a LeBron stopper imagine that
THOSE THAT SAY LEBRON IS ARE THOSE THAT DIDN'T SEE JORDAN AND KOBE IT IS LAUGHABLE WHEN THEY TRY.......
Kill THIS SHIT!!! Kobe played 20yrs LeBron will PROBABLY play at LEAST 20yrs TOO! Imagine MJ played 20yrs??? 40,000+ EASY! So QUIT THIS SHIT!! MJ THE G.O.A.T.🏀🏆👑✊🏿💯
Those who say Jordan didn't see 11 ring Wilt. See how weak that argument is 😒.
@@rodneyjohnson8355 Jordan was trassssh at the end. Knees all fuked up, he wouldn't have did anything but put himself in a wheel chair if he tried.
I can agree with most of this. But the Kobe comment, LB needs just the right pieces too. Now, he did have Shaq, but LB had Bosh and Wade. Kobe just needed one other semi star and role players. LJ needs at least 2. And he is 5 and 2.
The difference is Lebron made it to the finals and the playoffs without having the right pieces around him. There were some years in Kobe's prime that he didnt make the playoffs after Shaq left.
+Tim Green, in the weak East. Kobe in his prime was 28-30 where he won 2 chips with really only Gasol-back to back mind you with Gasol and role players. Dont make it out like his team was all stars. He would have won again if they hadn't nixed the CP3 trade. FACTS. Which would have made him 3-1 without Shaq. Kobe could have been looking at 6-2 finals record. One loss to a great Celtics team and the other to the same Dallas team that knocked out that Lebron lead Miami team. Go look at those rosters in 2007-2011. Please tell me the stand out players outside of Gasol - Fisher/Odom/Bynum these guys are good role players but hardly all-stars. Lebron only won once he got wade, bosh, and then again once he got ray allen (perennial all stars). Then only when he got Kyrie, Love and Tristan. I dont really count Tristan, because he's not really all-star to me. But Lebron has definitely had better teams consistently in his finals wins.
Lol.... Gasol, Bynum, Odom... Only role players oh, ok....
So what about when he lost to the Pistons with Malone, Payton, Shaq, etc. Kobe is my favorite player of all time but LeBron has passed him on the all time list. Kobe is a better scorer and has the same mentality that Jordan had and thats just about it. When you start throwing out "what ifs" it's a problem.
jamacian jams old players
Bulls didn't win so many games because they were a better team, they won because Jordan was a better player. Good point brova.. and, A person told Jordan there is no I in team.. Jordans reply?? He said there's an I in WIN😭😂😂
As a matter of fact Jordan told Kerr at the time-out get ready/meaning he forsaw that he might not be able to take the shot and directed Kerr as the next best choice to win the game/Kerr was deadly from the 3pt range
Also they double Jordan because he bodied Russell in game 1 with the game winning shot
Kerr was a good spot up shooter but not much else though
Lebron better than Jordan? He's not even better than Kobe yet. Rings.
Peter Adams and Skills as well
I agree Kobe is Far greater Than He gets Credit for .Kobe had 17 Seasons Up Until He Was 35 Until He got Hurt towards The last game of the season tore his Achilles .He was Avg 27.6 Points a Game ,6 Rebounds ,7 Assist ,1.5 Steal Game ,Then His Last 3 Years He only Played 6 Games n 2014 ,35 Games 2015 Avg 22 Points a Game ,and 17.6 Points a Game at 38 Years Old N 2016 He just never Recovered and People Don't Remember Kobe a Top 5 player or Top 10 Player all Day all Long. He Miss The Playoffs Once n 05 With that horrible Team after the Trade and after He Got Hurt.He missed the 2014 Season though ,Only Played 35 Games n 2015 ,And Yes Miss The Playoffs N 2016 With Him Playing 25 Min a Night about Did score 60 Points His last Game .And Was The Best Player N the NBA for a Good Stretch For 7 to 8 Years and Top 5 For Over decade
If its about rings.. Pippen 6> Kobe5
Jdub The Truth will be made Known Robert Horry has 7 rings so is he better than Jordan, fuck no
Jdub The Truth will be made Known that means bill russell is the goat
The same things people give credit to LeBron for, they take/took away from Wilt. Who I think is his most direct comparison. Gaudy numbers, physically dominant vs his contemporaries, didn't always perform at best in the clutch/championship moments. Will retire with insane numbers, but people who saw them play knew there's a difference between the 35 you get in the first 46 minutes and what you did in the last two. The fact he's 3-5 in the Finals but people point to stats...how is he in discussion for the GOAT, when Wilt, who AVERAGED 30/23/4.5 and God knows how many blocks (they didn't count the stat until 1973-74) a game, but kept getting beaten by a LITERAL Hall of Fame team in Russell's Celtics (as many as EIGHT at one time), has that used against him?
Bron stans can't have it both ways. If it's about numbers, Wilt won 4 MVP's, put up ridiculous numbers and pushed the original dynasty to the limit, ultimately taking them down in 1967 with one of the 5-6 best teams ever. He also won two titles, including one of the three best teams ever, the 72 Lakers. How does LeBron leapfrog him if it's about numbers (shit, Wilt LED THE LEAGUE IN ASSISTS ONE YEAR!)? If it's about winning, he never touches MJ and everyone knows it. So the goalposts are being moved.
Shaq didn't make the conference finals with Phoenix...he left after 2009 (Suns got back in 2010 when he was with Cleveland...who also missed the conference finals that year). But your point is spot on. I'm a Lakers fan, not a Kobe fan. And the idea that somehow Kobe was 1a is ridiculous. Yes, he could score a lot, but NO ONE ever said James Worthy was 1a to Magic in 1987 and 88. Ever. Shaq was literally the Diesel that made that dynasty go. If you replaced Kobe with McGrady or VC, I'd argue LA still wins at least two titles. If you take Shaq off those teams and replace him with Mutombo or Mourning or even David Robinson, the Lakers aren't winning more than one title. Their dominance stemmed from Shaq's efficiency on the offensive end. Teams had NOTHING for him. You could replicate Kobe's 45% shooting a lot easier with a similar wing, who probably wouldn't have been as hesitant to give the ball to Shaq.
Manu Ginobilis Bald Spot Wilt only comp got 11 rings bro...11 and he had what 2? I understand the numbers and all that but rings/playoff success matters when it comes to greatest...
He’s not saying rings don’t matter guy he’s saying Bron jus has #’s & a couple rings thts y he’s like Wilt who is “better” than Russell but Russell is “Greater” because his team won more. So he’s adding to MJ GOAT point. All these other stars have rings on Bron. Dirk/Kidd, Spurs twice, GS 3 times, KD twice. Ok Yu can get a excuse for 07 & 15 but shouldn’t, but Absolutely no1 has ring on Jordan ..oh excuse me the Bulls which Jordan led.
@Manu Ginobilis Bald Spot very well put. However, no one with Manu Ginobilis bald spot could EVER be a Lakers fan. You take that back right now.
LBJ is a monster when it comes to garbage points. When you look at LBJ’s stats they are deceiving. They look great but a majority of his career points were scored in garbage time.
Jordan’s points mattered and were needed. Someone needs to look at garbage time stats and post. Cause LBJ is leading in this category. Also, he’s not nearly the defender MJ was. MJ was motivated by guarding the best in big time moments.
He is slightly less good of a defender in his prime but could gaurd 1-5 and is a better passer and your wrong about the garbage time thing
I agree the Sonics looked most convincing opponent in the finals. The knicks were the toughest opposition. Lebron is barely top 10.
I always find it funny these commentators that have never played basketball in their life’s. There telling us who’s the best ball player? Really? Jaylin and Chauncey get it. Look if you were not born yet or you were really young and u missed the JORDAN era
That sucks for you. U missed the greatest basketball player ever the
G.O.A.T. Now you get this new weak
NBA with Lebron who is good top 20
All time. But he’s sooo not JORDAN
Do some research on MJ. Look up his accomplishments look at all the numbers watch a lot of film. U will sort of understand. Unfortunately you’ll never get to see him live in person.
I got so see him play against Utah Jazz
No one got even close to blocking him
On a simple jump shot he was that high.
What an amazing ball player. With such
Killer instincts who hatted to lose. He
Demanded the ball he deserved it no one deserved it more. And even after
His retirement going to Washington
And lacing up once again he still put up great numbers. Do the research you will
See....
BC Clark they just need to watch one single full game, Mj was a killer on the court.
Two 40 point games at 40 years old... Wow .. MJ IS THE GREATEST PERIOD.
Jordan is one of those players who was a physical freak of nature on top of the fact that his will to win his drive is unlike anything I’ve ever seen the combination of being physically gifted and also a psychopath is something we’ll probably never see again
You got a lot of undeserved dislikes on this vid. LeBron is not Michael Jordan. Chasing his ghost shouldn't even be a discussion. I don't think he'll ever take Jordan's spot. LeBron will always be LeBron, a dominate player in the NBA, a freak of athletic nature. But he's not mentally determined enough to dominate everybody who steps in his path.
VossBoss probably more because the video is boring and too long, not because of his opinions.
Word Mike had an iron will, yo I tell people MJ had a mental side to him most of us will never understand nevermind achieve. Yo I put Mike up on the shelf when talking bout the league and winning. Kareem was a beast Wilt and Bill Russel but MJ was a whole nother animal vicious determined not to be denied. If I have to pick a player as much as I love Doc Moses Malone(rip)Zeke and my 82-83 Sixers. I gotta pick Mike his playoff numbers are untouchable ten strait scoring titles etc yo who doing that now,nobody! I gotta take Mike, Doc he did lead Philly to four Finals tho he only won one I'd take him. I gotta take Magic then Zeke see another reason I kinda give MJ the edge he played great D and as a guard he didn't need any one to get the ball to him. He could create better than Kareem altho he destroyed the whole league in his time. I like LeBron but I'm old school I'm rockin wit my old heads...
well who didnt he dominate that came in his path? name someone
LeTravel beat 73 win Warriors because the refs helped him with 2 games
Let's not forget that MJ faced much tougher teams in the Eastern Conference Finals than the teams he faced in the Finals. Detroit Pistons, New York Knicks and let's never forget that Larry Bird Coached, Reggie Miller led Indiana Pacers team that pushed the Bulls to 7 games. That was some of the best basketball playoffs ever.
By that logic Jordan was old when they won the 2nd 3 peat.
LeBron last to an old spurs an old mavericks. He beat a young okc, MJ 🐐 enough said
If Lebron had Michael's mentality, he might well be the GOAT. I watched MJ his whole career with the Bulls, and things like intensity lapses on defence and failing to miss a good chance to be aggressive on offence just didn't happen with him. And although he probably knew full well he was the best, he didn't talk about it, or talk up his 'legacy' - he just went out and did it, in the moment, fearless, flowing, a step ahead of everyone both mentally and physically. Like a lion on the hunt. Sometimes Lebron shows signs that he's self-conscious, results-oriented, not in the moment, playing scared you might even say. I understand his abilities as a playmaker, but how can you be the GOAT if you're not confident enough to be the one to take the shot, if that's what the situation requires? Or confident enough at the line that you know every time you drive, it's basically 2 points gauranteed, on average? ..And as to basketball IQ, what is that except understanding the flow of the play, and making a good decision? MJ was one of the best decision makers the game has seen. If his decision was often to try to score, that's only because he knew it was a strong option. And he could go to plan B in a split second, if he had to improvise. No-one has put it all together like MJ did - the physical, the mental, the guts and the leadership... I hope a better player comes along in my lifetime - would be inspiring to see
jasminetomca t well said!
The thing about MJ is he has made some bad mistakes but his mentality and the will to improve to give his team a better chance at winning always persevered. There's been times where he just didn't show up... And he realized he needed something to motivate him... To turn that switch on. He would create something that wasn't even there... And run with it. He was so good at this his opponents learned this and refused to go at him. That's how you know theyre on a whole different level, when hall of famers respect you so much that they don't go at you and challenge you. Watching old school Jordan highlights... He even does little things to challenge himself. He will go and take dumb shots... Give the opponents a 5 point deficit and then try his best to comeback being the most aggressive defender turned offense. A lot of his games when it came down to 5 minutes or less and he wanted the win... He just full court presses and is own every pass... Every shot... Everyone's dragging ass ... Tired... Jordan turns up a few notches and looks possessed. He just wanted it more than everyone.
- 6627 the East has been trash. LeBron can run through it with any team. These Eastern teams have been lacking in great defenders. That's why LeBron has a tough time in the finals the Western teams he goes up against are usually better defensively and have great team chemistry
Ulysses432 lmao you hit a nerve with this one.
As if making the playoffs(regardless if it's a first rd exit) is somehow worst than missing the playoffs like lebron did in back2back seasons (2003-04/04-05).
😂😂😂its so easy to use their logic against them. According to their arguments, since MJ couldn't make it out the 1st Rd w/o [rookie] Scottie, then that must mean LbJ could not make the playoffs without *Larry Huges* LOL!!!
When they give you a stupid "rebuttal", you just give one back ;)
Saves you time & you also get a laugh or two out of it lol.
- 6627 "barley"???? Did you just incorrectly try to spell *barely*? Lol!
And so what? Every ATG faced adversity. What kind of lame excuse is this? Smh.
MJ was the most competitive player in the league.Every game. Every season. He was a killer. If anything, at the least, that is what keeps Lebron from being in the discussion.
Lebum’s fans grew up in the participation trophy era of sports... it’s not the same to be in the finals as it is to win. If you win you’ll be considered the greatest no questions. If you lose well you were pretty good but you didn’t win. Lebron should’ve won if he wanted to be the 🐐
Killer video! Nailed it man. Lebron great but MJ in his own league, killer instinct. Clutch player, had the entire planet in awe! MJ GOAT.
Scottie Pippen didn't even start this rookie season and he also didn't become an all-star until 1991-92 season.
+KJRawX He was an All-star starting in 89-90 I believe, but your point is relevant. You can't tell the Jordan haters that though. They think Pippen came in playing 40 minutes and guarding 5 positions lol.
Correction. Pippen was an All-star *reserve* in 1989-90 only playing *12* total mins. Pippen became an All-Star starter in the 1991-92 season.
Players that have won a championship without an all-star teammate..
1988-89 Isiah Thomas
1990-91 Michael Jordan
1993-94 Hakeem Olajuwon
1994-95 Hakeem Olajuwon
2002-03 Tim Duncan
2010-11 Dirk Nowitzki
One thing that irks me that the media never considers when LeBron is racking up stats on a nightly basis is...
*Fact is LeBron had/has benefits and luxuries Jordan never had, which allow him to score points easier at a higher efficiency.* The average fan does not know this so they are being conned, duped, bamboozled and hoodwinked into believing LeBron is better at something than he actually is.
*These extraordinary circumstances must be considered when it comes to LeBron's numbers, especially his scoring numbers.*
Fact is LeBron had/has benefits and luxuries Jordan never had, which allow him to score points easier at a higher efficiency. The average fan does not know this so they are being conned, duped, bamboozled and hoodwinked into believing LeBron is better at something than he actually is.
These extraordinary circumstances must be considered when it comes to LeBron's numbers, especially his scoring numbers.
*1)* Jordan played in a BRUTAL eastern conference. LeBron plays in a creampuff pitiful putrid eastern conference for nearly his entire career. What does this mean you may ask? It means LeBron's statistics are FAR EASIER to come by since the competition level in the EC is borderline atrocious! *Competition and rules changes matter! Do not try to sugarcoat and downplay it!*
*2)* LeBron plays in a wide open, freedom of movement, run wherever they want era, who's constantly surrounded by a multitude of sharp shooting 3 point specialists that spread the court wide open. This creates far more space & room to operate, resulting in opening the lanes like Moses parted the Red Sea, making all stats far easier to come by. On the flip side, Jordan played in a much more cluttered, congested, crowded, restricted lane with far LESS space and room to operate, making all his points much harder to come by.
*3)* LeBron plays in an era of non-physical, can't touch anyone, freedom of movement, run wherever you want, no hand-checking, no arms bars, no checking in the lane, no holding or grabbing on screens and no getting knocked down to the floor in a consistent basis, resulting in all stats coming far easier to come by. This is basic laws of physics. This is NOT rocket science! We do not need an Astrophysics degree at Harvard, Princeton, Yale, nor need a crystal ball to know this! This is basic logic, basic common sense & basic laws of physics! *Resistance makes it harder to achieve statistics, resulting in far less efficiency.*
*4)* Jordan also played in the greatest shot blocking era of all time. Rim protecting shot blockers used to camp out in the paint waiting on perimeter scorers, altering countless shots all over the place. LeBron plays in the worst era of shot shot blocking of all time. The rim protecting center that used to be in camping out in the paint waiting on perimeter scorers is now out at the 3 point line shooting 3's. This also spreads the court wide open, creating much more space & room to operate, resulting in opening the lanes like Moses parted the Red Sea, making all stats coming far easier to come by.
*5)* Jordan played in a slow stuck in the mud league offense during his 2nd Three-Peat run. LeBron plays in a much faster paced offense, resulting in more possessions per game, resulting in more statistics in LeBron's boxscores. The 2017-18 Cavs pace is 97.3 possessions per game. The 1997-98 Bulls were at 89.0 possessions per game!
*6)* Last but not least, Jordan never played with a teammate that commanded a double team. This means Jordan had to carry the offensive load, while being double and triple teamed for an entire career, making all his points far harder to achieve. LeBron does not have this problem. When he gets double teamed, he passes to one of his multiple knock down 3 point assassins faster than a hooker in sketchers.
*These are all crucial factors LeBron-tots turn a blind eye to when debating his scoring numbers. Anyone with 1/16th of a brain that watched Jordan's career knows LeBron couldn't score like Jordan to save his life.*
That's right. MJ helped developed Horace and Scottie from draft (both only 7ppg in their rookie seasons). Lebron jumps ship (twice!) to join teams with established great players. THERE's a big difference there.
LOL @ sorry ass Bosh. Now people want to talk shit about an all star player who was a leader on his prior team. Lebron-tard alert! I could run down the reasons Jordan didn't make the finals but you'd only say LA and Detroit got old. Typical dumb shit.
Jordan won his first three championships, besides Pippen, with Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright and, John Paxson. I mean what a loaded team. The talent was overflowing..
The main reason LeBron will never surpass MJ is the 2011 Finals. MJ never choked in the Finals and he never got outscored by a career role player! I personally think that the best comparison for LeBron is Larry Legend although if I were building a dream team I would probably take Larry over LeBron. Larry had a mean streak and he would mug his own mother to win. That's always been LeBron's achilles heel is that he doesn't have that type of killer instinct like Bird and MJ always had.
Bron should pass Kobe 1st...then lets talk about Jordan.
Footlong Delos Reyes talk to these clowns man
pass what? championships? lol If we are talking about rings, you better talk to bill russell 11. If you are talking about scoring championships, all time scoring and mvps, you better talk to kareem jabbar. Kobe is not even in the discussion. Now, you have to ask yourself why do they include Lebron with the GOAT debate? The guy is closing in. The 1st retirement of Jordan and his Washington wizards move is hurting his legacy. This is sad for us Jordan fans but this is the reality.
Lanz Pineda lol! we are talking about kobe and lebron..the fuck does bill russel and jabbar got to do with this..kobe has more rings and more score than le bron now. so he needs to pass it first. then lets talk about jordan. clearly youre an imbecile and an idiot.
Agreed because he's not close to Kobe yet.
LeBron averages more points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks than Kobe.... LeBron has a higher FG%, 3PT%
the bulls kept bums on the roster. no way jordan had more talent around him. the bulls really were only seven or eight deep most years.
list of bums:
pete myers
rory sparrow
will perdue
dennis hopson
darrell walker
dickey simpkins
ed nealy
these guys couldn't start on the duke blue devils.
kshuburner you forgot about Jud Buechler
kshuburner so how they won 50 plus games in wat u regard as the toughest era your best player played in...so bums won 50 plus games almost made it to the finals but there was competition I don't understand tell me wat am misding
Alex killzu you done?? i'm actually not a jordan lover. i don't overhype him. but i did grow up in chicago. and watched him play everyday since i was eleven or twelve years old...'87. every game. my dad kept cable 😂. and i read the sun times and tribune daily.
the players i mentioned were not nba talent. they were not assets. they were only on the bulls because they were euro or cheap salary.
i actually consider lbj more talented and physically gifted than jordan. jordan was jus a better scorer. but that doesn't mean i won't acknowledge the bulls roster was mixed in with subpar talent for that period. bulls are notoriously known for not paying players and filling the roster with euros to satisfy season ticket holders.
Alex killzu The fact that LeBron took bums to 60 wins is an indictment on how sorry the east was and still is... Jordan was up against Larry Bird and the Celtics loaded with 5 Hall of famers and than its the Bad Boy Pistons and Jordan had 0 all stars to play with.
brian green The East been way weaker than this before. Lebron was winning 60+ wit Mo Williams on his squad
They suspended draymond green game 5 so the cavs could make it to game 7.
The fact that they said Jordan always had the better team when every finals win Lebron has gotten has been with other superstars he recruited to the team. These sports analysts are complete trash!