And Kevin Love. JR is one of the best 6 men of the decade and a good role player. Tristan Thompson was better than Bogut and his backup. Before that season started, they were pretty much even with the Warriors to win the title. The Warriors just played so much better than them throughout the season.
Jordan never beat a 73 win team because he was a 72 win team that actually won the chip that year.So they were equivalent to or ( in my eyes ) better that the GSW 73 win team
The 73 win team did not win the championship, the Cavs did. The only difference in the losing team (GS) was the next year was they added KD. What does that tell you? The Champion Cavs added Korver and Williams and still no one gave them a chance to win even though they were the champs and had the so-called best player in the world. Why?
My point ...is that the Bull team had the legendary record of wins at 72 and they won , while GS got 73 wins and couldn't close the deal. Mj's Bull team holds more weight and validity than the warriors because they won.
True, but everybody is making such a big deal out of KD joining the 73 win team that lost. They lost, they needed to ad someone, what were they supposed to do? Yes, Jordan's Bulls got it done. GS didn't.
TheTlewis2074.. Not correct. That wasn't the only difference.. all of yall keep disrespecting the role players of the Dubs on that 73 win season. It wasn't just add KD. They lost half their bench. They lost their starting center in Bogut which was a defense presence and they lost barnes, Ezeli, Barbosa... Chemistry had a lot to do with the 73 wins. They don't win 73 without those guys. They haven't done so with KD. Think about that.
Anjohn Davis.... you'd have a point if Rodman or Pippen got suspended for a game and Ron Harper was out with Injury. Just like Lebron didn't have Kyrie or Love the year before that... the Warriors weren't at FULL Strength. We all know that if Draymond didn't get suspended, or if Iggy's back wasn't injured the Cavs don't win that series, but the Cavs did. Just don't act like the Warriors 73 win team was intact because it wasn't.
Its insulting for everybody that watched Jordan play to even start this debate. Just the NBA trying to market up their current stars. And stooges like Max and Nick Wright jump on the bandwagon.
fred vergraaf Gotta hype it up some how. If your not from Cleveland or Golden state why would care to see them 4 years straight. So you gotta tap that Lebron SUPER FAN base.
I want to thank you for being so inciteful. I rarely agree with any of these so called experts. Lebron James is a great player but the media always spins the narrative to his benefit. People are always claiming he's asked to do so much but he plays no defense and does nothing to elevate his teammates. He had Isiah Thomas who averaged 30ppg last year, D Wade a first ballot Hall of famer who averaged 19ppg last season, Jae Crowder who was the most dependable Celtic on both sides of the ball last year. D Rose former MVP who averaged 18ppg last year and played HUGE in the playoffs this year. None of them fit the Lebron system and they bring in Clarkson, Nance, Hood, and George Hill who are proven rotational players who all averaged over double figures and were major contributors on their previous teams. Lebron has made them look so bad in the way they are used you couldn't get a box of polish sausages for them. They looked best when Lebron left game 7 in Indiana. Hood is so disgruntled he didn't even want to go in the game during garbage time. The millenials and jealous former players like Isiah have anointed him as the GOAT. How when he makes those around him worse. When the mid 30's Celtics team chased him out of Cleveland and he joined a super team in Miami to get humiliated by a JJ Berea and the Jet and got blown out and swept by an Ancient Spurs team in NBA record fashion. Without the miracles of Ray Allen and Draymond Green being suspended he should be 1-8. Get ready for the Decision part II on HBO in July lol. Lebron keeps joining Super Teams but Jordan was the Super Team !!!!
Tom Lambropoulos, LeBron has to run to Miami to have a mentor (D Wade) in the middle of his career. MJ didn’t have a veteran mentor with Championship experience. MJ came to a team with no history or anyone to show him the way.
Tom Lambropoulos Mental/Skill out does Talent everyday. Talent fades cause can’t pass it down, only thru birth of a child and that’s playing the Lottery. Mentality and skill set last forever, cause you can pass it down to generations!
Tom Lambropoulos all facts. Lebron James fans are delusional and disregard facts for the benefit of praising and elevating LBJ. He is a great player, with a lot of flaws but Jordan was greater.
Jordan stopping the Pistons from getting their 3peat. Jordan stopping the Magic from ever becoming the new Eastern conference dynasty. Jordon after 21 months away from the NBA comes back for a 2nd 3peat in which he was finals mpv for all 3. They wanna compare Lebum to Jordan 🤦🏻♂️
Man I'm so glad you pointed that out about the myth of Jordan playing against unathletic white guy's. But like you said LeBron was held in check in the 2011 Finals by a 5'7 140 JJ Barea. How ironic is that...😂😂😂😂😂
Jordan only man in history to be defensive player of the year and leading scorer and I'm not too sure NBA MVP the same season LeBron has never done that
@@kharis87 so the dude who flops,crys,blames others,recruits other stars to help him win the ring,FAKES hand injury is better then KB????? Drugs r bad man...really lay of that shit.
Can we please stop putting and comparing him to Jordan. LeBron is lebron that’s it. Records are made to be broken not tarnish a mans work and legacy from the past
Jordan was better offensively and defensively than LeBron. LeBron averaged one more rebound per game than Mike, but Mike played in the era of the best big men in history and had great rebounders on his team to take some boards away from him. LeBron is a one foot jumper who leaps better off a running start. Mike can do both and is a quicker jumper. I'd say Mike is arguably a better rebounder. Also when MJ was asked to play pg in the late 80's his passing was arguably right up there with LeBron. Also Mike played against hand checking and no defensive 3 sec rule so the big men could sit there and wait for him, and yet their fg% is less than 1 percent apart. I'd say Mike wins this debate definitively.
Plus the thing that made Jordan greater was his will and determination. You didn't hear him making a lot of excuses and blaming everyone else. If he had the chance to win he just somehow got it done.
omar rana Offense isn't just scoring. Lebron james impacts his whole team mentally and on the court also off. Lebron james is miles ahead of jordan. And lebron james can be a better scorer at will so that jordan argument is actually garbage.
Benziz 200 does he impact in a good way? If so he shud have more Ws on his resume . U wud think scoring 40 point triple doubles wud have him beating everyteam. But no his 40 point scoring is losing basketball
Even if you went the "longevity" route he'd still not be better than Kareem who dominated 17 yrs straight. The league isn't testing LeBron for anything cuz if he somehow slipped up & popped for something it would cripple the NBA. It would be so obvious the NBA was a willing participant in covering it up & it would raise questions even the most adamant LeBron stan would have to ask.
I can’t put him with Jordan even if he won 2 more because he was 1-5 versus 50+ win teams before he went to Miami. He ran from a challenge when Jordan sat and lost to the same team 3 consecutive seasons. Jordan had to beat back to back defending champs with 3 to possibly 5 hall of famers just to reach the finals then he stopped their 3 peat and lead his team on a 3 peat of their own. Then he retired and went on another 3 peat. He never lost in the finals and he successfully defended his title every following season he was in the nba. I can’t say that about no other player not even his own teammate Scottie Pippen because in 1994 he did not successfully defend his title! Jordan never lost to a team with a worse record than his for a playoff series but Lebron lost 3 consecutive seasons to teams with worse records, the Magic, The Celtics, and The Mavericks! Jordan never been held under 15 points in a playoff game in his career Lebron been held under 10 twice in the last 7 seasons. Jordan never been held under 20 in a finals game Lebron had an 8 point game in the 2011 finals and averaged 17 for a series coming in 3rd in his own team. For his first two NBA finals 2007, 2011 his scoring averaged was 19.5 he had 195 total points in 10 total finals games! He averages 27 points for his career so that is unacceptable! I can not ever put that over a dude that never scored under 20 in a single finals game. Then he had to run to Wade and Bosh in Miami because he couldn’t get back to the finals two consecutive years when he was the mvp with the number 1 overall best record in the entire nba. He lost to a 3 seed and a 4 seed when he had home court advantage over the entire nba! Then Jordan still leads him in points, offensive rebounds, blocks and steals and Lebron already played 3200 more regular season career minutes. And Jordan stilll did things Lebron never did 3000 points in a season, multiple 200 steals seasons, multiple 100 block seasons, won scoring title, mvp, steals title, defensive player of the year all in the same season. Lead a 6 seed to the conference finals with no other all stars on his team. Lebron second season he and Zydrunas Illguskas were all stars and the Cavs missed the playoffs. He needed 36 wins his rookie season to make the playoffs and came up short but Jordan lead his team with 38 wins to the playoffs. Jordan shot 51% his rookie season but Lebron shot 41% his rookie season and never shot 50% until the 2009/10 season which was his 7th. To be greater you must accomplish more in less time or more in the same amount of time. I can’t give Lebron longer than I give Jordan to be greater than Jordan. He already getting passes for needing to be on 3 separate teams to get his accomplishments with 2 current all stars. Then they changed all the rules after his rookie season to make offense easier for him and his generation. It’s not close for me and never can be. But I respect everyone’s position but mines is firm! Lebron ship sailed to pass Jordan long ago and it can’t be made up no matter what he does because Jordan doesn’t have those same flaws on his resume. If Jordan did then Lebron could catch him but he doesn’t!
John doue Quebec you really believe he'll win 4 more? GSW will be gone by then but the Celtics won't other teams are up and coming he's not getting younger and his game will not be the same. Well he might find some other drug to help him but still he will not pass Jordan, that's just the truth of the matter here.
John doue Quebec he can never pass Jordan because Jordan doesn’t have an 8 point finals game and didn’t average 17 points for a finals series. Jordan didn’t have 195 total points for 10 finals games in his first 2 finals appearances. Jordan was never a number 1 seed and lost to a 3 seed and a 4 seed. Jordan never lost a series when he had home court advantage Lebron lost 3. Jordan never had a 7 point playoff game. Jordan never had to change teams to win finals. Jordan never scored under 20 points in a finals game or under 15 points in a playoff game. Jordan played less and accomplished way more in the team that drafted him. Lebron is 1-4 in the finals on the team that drafted him. He will never in his life catch Jordan. Anyone with honor agrees. Jordan doesn’t have the flaws on his resume that Lebron has that’s why Lebron can never catch him
John doue Quebec Jordan 6-6 in the finals 4-0 in title defenses because he has 2 separate 3 peats. Lebron 3-9 in the finals and 1-2 in title defenses! Jordan beat Portland and Phoenix on 2 successful title defenses. Then Jordan beat Utah and Utah on 2 other successful title defenses. Lebron beat San Antonio on a title defense and that was luck from Chris Bosh and Ray Allen. Then he went and got a lost on a title defense to San Antonio in 2014. Then in 2017 he got dethroned on his title defense by golden state. Jordan swept 2 time defending champs pistons stopped their 3 peat hopes then lead his team on a 3 peat. Lebron never faced 1 defending champion team from the east in his playoff career. Celtics won in 2008 but the Orlando Magic dethroned them then upset Lebron #1 seed. Jordan faced 87 Celtics defending champs 90 pistons defending champs and 91 pistons defending champs. Lebron is from the weakest era of the eastern conference in nba history. Eastern conference won 6 total nba titles in 20 seasons since Jordan retired from the bulls and Lebron lost 6 of them the same amount that Jordan lead his bulls too 6 titles. Jordan is better than the entire eastern conference of the last 20 seasons not just Lebron. The nba changed rules to make offense easier and Lebron has used free agency 3 separate times to win his 3 titles and he still can’t catch Jordan. Jordan never joined teams to chase rings Lebron is on his 3rd attempt of joining teams to chase rings and is 3-5 in the finals as a result and 0-1 in the finals before free agency in the finals on the team that drafted him. Lebron was 1-5 in finals series versus teams with 50 or more wins before free agency sign and trade to the Miami Heat to chase rings. And he owes the Miami Heat fans not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6 not 7 titles and he really believes that like he said and he, Bosh and Wades press conference.
Think about how fast he put on muscle.. from when he lost all of that way when he left miami and then put it back on thru out that season. In addition, this dude clearly says.. TREATMENT, every time to setup another narrative of all of the concoctions he has been taking.
Penny Hardaway was a beast, i cant think of any flaw in his game (IQ, offense, Defense) but i dont recall him being that strong, not sure if that lead to his injuries but its a shame he got hurt.
Welcome back u need to do video on stephen a calling LeBron's stat padding and his teammates suffering cuz of it that was golden. And could you do a video on why the cavs lost the 2015 finals imo it was combo of lebron and david blatt scared to go deep in his bench cuz i think they could have won that series.
Cornelious Worsham Where can I see that? I don't know much about basketball but looking at LeBron, I see the same thing. He's strictly playing to pass Jordan. He has good players on his team but they can't really show what they can do because of what he's trying to do. I watched early this season because of D Wade, and saw that they were so out of sync. LeBron doesn't want teammates, he want employees. He's doesn't want to work with anybody, he wants them to work for him so he can accomplish his goal. I think that's why JR and Tristan are still on the team. People complain about them and LeBron carry the team but I think that's what he want. We know Jordan is the GOAT, but people are saying that he had help. LeBron wants to say that he did by himself. He wants to be the hero.
I don't know what the statistics may eventually say once Lebron has retired, but it is clear just by watching them play that Lebron has not reached Jordan's level of play, and at this point he never will.
Good stuff. Good points.1 Corrections...MJ did average 30ppg or better 12 times in the playoffs and the only time he didn't was his very first year in the post season as a rookie at 29.3ppg.
The answer can be summed up in one word... Hell to the no!!! Oh that's more than one word. But yes in the 80's we did have less teams so more talent on teams becuz of that. And when the zone defense was brought in the NBA changed making it easier for the players of today.
That 73 win teams did not have Draymond Green for one game due to suspension did not have Andrew Bogut for 2 games did not have a fully healthy Andre Iguodala and Stephan Curry and that nonsense about that KD join the 73 win team it wasn't the same team he joined others had Departed I guess what he made them better
10:23 Thank you Judah...Pippen played 40 plus minutes in that game, he just played like shit, simple as that. Shot 1-10 from the field, finished with 2 or 4 points and folded when it mattered. You can say he had a migraine I think the pressure was just too much for him.
Geeat point about how we'll have to go back and evaluate the NBA's best players based on cumulative stats instead of success in the postseason. I tell people that all the time.
Agreed with what your saying Sir, i think this debate has been created to bring the Audience attention to the highest level. They need to fuel the interest maybe the viewing numbers has lowered. i think kobe is above tim duncan but all in all MJ is the best fabulous skill level and all round fantastic BASKETBALL player.
LeBron couldn't beat Golden State last night when Golden State superstars we're playing like his Supporting Cast . So it basically turned out LeBron vs. KD and look what happens
Thank you for picking up on that 1990 Eastern Conference Finals match up they would’ve lost even if he was 💯. 1990 wasn’t there year in 1991 they came physically and mentally stronger which pushed them past the Pistons to their first championship.
Lebron apologists are lucky jordan retired for 2 season in the middle of his champion ship run. Imagine 8-0 or even 7-1 in 8 years. Compared to 3-5 in 8 years, lebron would have no dog in this fight. Then we would hear idiots these days say Hakeem was a scrub and was old and no competition.
Thank you, thank you for this excellent video! These cats are trying to REVISE history, they don't point out how Lebron's system of basketball turns his teammates into zombies.. they may be great but after playing with Lebron for years they become little more than spot up shooters.. and his teammates get none of the credit for the wins and all of the blame for the losses... that's why it's a myth that everyone wants to play for Lebron, not everyone does.. it usually means your value plummets through the cellar.
LeBron is a great player but Michael Jordan is the undisputed GOAT and here's why. No other player has had the overall impact on Basketball than Michael Jordan. From his phenomenal play on the court, changing NBA shorts from daisy dukes to knee level, making his basketball shoes the preferred footwear to inspiring people around the world even in places that didn't have basketball wanting to and playing basketball. There's more but this is enough to chew on for now.
Thank you Judah, been telling these cats that michael’s dominance made those teams look worse than what they were. Much like the way lebron’s play makes his teammates look worse than they are
No post up move, no go to shot, when he does not have the ball he just stands there. Bird was a master at all skillz and without the ball he was great!!
At the end of the day, the end game is to win a championship. We can debate this subject all day but, Jordan will always be 1st, Magic then Bird. Lebron is 6th, isiah is 5th, kareem is 4th in my opinion.
Hakeem is so slept on when talking "mount rushmore" of bball. Lebron could NEVER hold a candle to Hakeem...its not even close! Hakeem won a title as a 6th seed team SWEEPING the finals...dream shake..ugh!!....Lebron can't even...please....Lebron worship is out of control...he aint even in my top 10
For being considered the greatest player ever LeBron has only led the league in one thing in 15 years does that sound like anything the greatest player should accomplish
LeBron plays like a RUNNINGBACK. He had 2 airballs for crying out loud. Last nights game was actually hilarious.....build up steam, tuck the ball, use brute force and bowl people over.....and cry...and whine. LeBron is closer to TOP 20. How would Jordan be viewed if he left Chicago for Detroit? What if Barkley left the Suns for the Supersonics? What if Karl Malone would have left for the Suns? To be great....you climb and you WIN. This era is embarrassing.
Do these “superfans” not realize how bad it sounds for them to say that their goat in lebron has no chance to beat a team. They want to say how great he is but in the same breathe basically say he’s not that great. It’s amazing to me how ignorant they sound. A true great ALWAYS has a chance to win.
BIG MIKE he has Hakeem at number 9 on his list with centers ahead of him including Kareem, Russell, Wilt, and Shaq so even on his list Hakeem is a top 5 center to ever play
Players nowadays are proficient at the 3 point shot because they are mostly open when shooting it. They suck at half court sets, can't play defense and even when they zone up they couldn't stop my 5 year old daughter from getting to the basket!
Jordan better scorer 30 points a game his career LeBron 27 and obviously a better defensive player than LeBron 9 * all-defensive 2 Lebrons 5 better offensive better defensive player come on now
I enjoy hearing somebody that is very intelligent and knows so much about many era’s ✊ unlike most nba fans that only know about their favorite team or their era. But are ignorant to the other 95% of the nba. All you speak is facts
yeah and take into account that his average was brought down playing as an Oldman in a wizards uniform and he still had a 30 point per game career average. Think about that. All of Lebron's numbers have been PRIME or younger.
LeBron has three titles and has repeated as champ once in his career. Michael Jordan has six titles and has repeated as champion four times. The only team LeBron has ever beat in the finals that didn’t beat him the following year were the Oklahoma City Thunder. LeBron has been swept twice and won in seven games twice. LeBron is 18-31 in NBA finals games. Michael Jordan is 24-11 in the NBA finals. LeBron has been to three more finals, and has six less wins in the finals. LeBron has been to the finals nine times and has been swept twice as much as he’s even repeated. He’s not the same performer when it matters.
Golden State still had a great chance to win game 7 of the 2016 Finals. It was on their court, it was a very close game, and it was a grand opportunity for the Warriors to put it out. Give credit to the Cavaliers for winning game 7 of the Finals on the road. It is the first this happened since 1978 when the Washington Bullets beat the Seattle Supersonics in Seattle.
@ Chronicles of Judah it's has been a while since you posted this video. I wonder what you think now? Have you remade your "mount Rushmore"? I'm sorry, LeBron will never be a Better player than Larry Bird! Never will be. Good analysis on this one though.
Lebron is 3-6 in finals. Robert Horry has 7 rings, why? because even though he was not an MVP, or an allstar, if you put him on a championship caliber team in a finals moment, he will come up big. He was a closer. Lebron is 3-6 not because his teammates were bums but because he just did not close the deal when it was winning time. The difference between Jordan and Lebron is if Jordan were in the OT situation like game 1, he would have played in OT the way Lebron played in the first half. He would have found a way to win that game. That's what you're supposed to do when you are the greatest player on the floor. If Lebron had been playing that way when it's time to win a close championship game over the last few years he would not be 3-6 and he would be the G.O.A.T. but......
Just Bake Lebron possibly could be 0-9. The refs gave the Heat the OKC series with a bunch of bad calls, Popovic gave him the 2nd by taking Timmy out of the game at the end, I will never understand that and thankk God for Ray Allen. and Draymond gave him the 3rd with that stupid kick to the balls. And Lebron was not the guy to make the winning plays in any of those series. He's lucky to have even 1 ring.
TheTlewis3074 Thank you!!! Why does Lebron get a magical pass from the overtime???? If you think you could break Jordan mentally with time still on the clock scores tied you don’t even know enough about the players to argue for Lebron.
Jordan in this day and age with the soft defensive rule wood average 40 LeBron take him back to 8485 or the 90s with similar Talent not the time of the day would average maybe 25
the goat debate is weak because MJ set standard that will be hard for Lebron to match. I agree with you on LeBron skill set is what makes him great. no how great a player is at the end of the day its a team game
How could anyone praise Lebron in this league? There’s no defense, all the players are 19 years old, all the athletes are rookies guys move right out of the way for him he cries and stomp if he don’t get calls, he trips over those big ass shoes he wears and the defense got a foul call this is the worse basketball I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. So he might pass all the greats, buuuutttt back then they played defense. No defense no big men in the paint all the big men are shooting threes thanks to Steph who should be getting praises because he single handily changed the game.
My Top 10: 1. Bill Russell 2. Wilt Chamberlain 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 4. Oscar Robertson 5.Isiah Thomas 6.Michael Jordan 7. Magic Johnson 8. Larry Bird 9. Tim Duncan 10. Hakeem. I based this on championships; coming through in the clutch; and based upon the natural abilities and deficiencies of players alongside of their peers... not to mention who they beat during their path to titles and while winning titles during their reign. Reasoning: The reason why I have Russell over Wilt is because they faced one another and Russell won more while Chamberlain scored more and Russell defeated Chamberlain more (when it mattered) than Chamberlain defeated Russell while Russell knew how to lead his team. The reason why I have Isiah Thomas over Magic, Jordan, and Bird is because at 6'1" 185lb. he defeated all of them more than they defeated him; also they had to change the rules due to the Detroit Pistons' style-of-play to enable Jordan an easier path to winning multiple times as Magic and Bird became old. I put Magic over Bird because Magic won more titles and defeated Bird twice in the NBA Finals. I put Duncan over Hakeem because Duncan has more titles over a consistent period of time; even though I would take Hakeem in his prime over Duncan; Tim Duncan was a better consistent winner with the abilities and talent around him versus Hakeem's reign from 1993-94 to 1995-96, no way Hakeem wins titles with weak back-up centers and power forwards along with guards like Parker and Ginobili, who would have been devoured in the 90's and been considered as weak. The top guys on this list (1-5) would dominate the bottom guys (6-10) on this list given the switch of either the physical abilities or teammates had by the 6-10 guys; I guarantee you the 1-5 players on this list either win more titles or improve their individual stats/abilities. You cannot tell me that Isiah Thomas wouldn't win more titles if he were 6'9"-6'6" like Magic/Bird/Jordan or that Duncan would not have won more titles over a longer period of time if he had guys like Horry, Thorpe, Drexler, Cassell, Ellie, Maxwell, Smith etc...now he did have David Robinson but that takes two titles away giving Duncan 3 without Robinson (2005, 2007, 2014) and more than Hakeem. You put Bird in the Duncan era and Duncan in the Bird era; Tim Duncan doesn't win as much in the 80's but Bird would have dominated from 1998-2016.
I disagree with your list but must say you have some very good points of why you think that way, much much more intellect than most of the nonsense people try to argue ;)
When you look at it from a weakness standpoint, your list changes because all those players you named had weaknesses except for Jordan. He had none. That is the bottom line in gauging greatest players of all time!
I got - Jordan, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Kareem, Shaq, Wilt, then Lebron - If Lebron could beat this Golden state team, I will move Lebron up to #2.................... Right now they are down 0/2 to Golden state!
LEGONNE 3-5 he went to 7 NBA finals he never had a team Jordan had ok so had better players king James can go on a bum team and take them to the finals Jordan needed Scottie ok true fact Jordan was a bad man ok but if king j go to a team like suxeres he win more championship king James one 3 rings anyway ok James can be better on
Jordan did beat 3-4 HoF players team in the 1991 Pistons but to LeBron James stuperfans they are 'OLD'
How old was Boston when Lebron teamed up with Miami? How old was Dirk and Jason Kidd when Lebron choked against Dallas? Such hipocrites!
@@trillmix0652, the Spurs too!!
Max always acts like Lebron beat that 73 win Golden State team by himself, as if Kyrie never existed.
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exactly! and still needed Steph to be 65%, Draymond to get suspended, and Bogut to get hurt...
Anthony Broaddus... FACTS. No Kyrie in that series.. No chip.
JR Smith literally removed Bogut...
And Kevin Love.
JR is one of the best 6 men of the decade and a good role player. Tristan Thompson was better than Bogut and his backup.
Before that season started, they were pretty much even with the Warriors to win the title. The Warriors just played so much better than them throughout the season.
Jordan never beat a 73 win team because he was a 72 win team that actually won the chip that year.So they were equivalent to or ( in my eyes ) better that the GSW 73 win team
The 73 win team did not win the championship, the Cavs did. The only difference in the losing team (GS) was the next year was they added KD. What does that tell you? The Champion Cavs added Korver and Williams and still no one gave them a chance to win even though they were the champs and had the so-called best player in the world. Why?
My point ...is that the Bull team had the legendary record of wins at 72 and they won , while GS got 73 wins and couldn't close the deal. Mj's Bull team holds more weight and validity than the warriors because they won.
True, but everybody is making such a big deal out of KD joining the 73 win team that lost. They lost, they needed to ad someone, what were they supposed to do? Yes, Jordan's Bulls got it done. GS didn't.
TheTlewis2074.. Not correct. That wasn't the only difference.. all of yall keep disrespecting the role players of the Dubs on that 73 win season. It wasn't just add KD. They lost half their bench. They lost their starting center in Bogut which was a defense presence and they lost barnes, Ezeli, Barbosa... Chemistry had a lot to do with the 73 wins. They don't win 73 without those guys. They haven't done so with KD. Think about that.
Anjohn Davis.... you'd have a point if Rodman or Pippen got suspended for a game and Ron Harper was out with Injury. Just like Lebron didn't have Kyrie or Love the year before that... the Warriors weren't at FULL Strength. We all know that if Draymond didn't get suspended, or if Iggy's back wasn't injured the Cavs don't win that series, but the Cavs did. Just don't act like the Warriors 73 win team was intact because it wasn't.
Its insulting for everybody that watched Jordan play to even start this debate. Just the NBA trying to market up their current stars. And stooges like Max and Nick Wright jump on the bandwagon.
fred vergraaf Gotta hype it up some how. If your not from Cleveland or Golden state why would care to see them 4 years straight. So you gotta tap that Lebron SUPER FAN base.
Yes, the 91-93 Bulls were not a superteam. Pippen, Horace, Jordan, and Paxton were drafted.
BeastMode209 yup bj Armstrong was my favorite as a kid lol
I want to thank you for being so inciteful. I rarely agree with any of these so called experts. Lebron James is a great player but the media always spins the narrative to his benefit. People are always claiming he's asked to do so much but he plays no defense and does nothing to elevate his teammates. He had Isiah Thomas who averaged 30ppg last year, D Wade a first ballot Hall of famer who averaged 19ppg last season, Jae Crowder who was the most dependable Celtic on both sides of the ball last year. D Rose former MVP who averaged 18ppg last year and played HUGE in the playoffs this year. None of them fit the Lebron system and they bring in Clarkson, Nance, Hood, and George Hill who are proven rotational players who all averaged over double figures and were major contributors on their previous teams. Lebron has made them look so bad in the way they are used you couldn't get a box of polish sausages for them. They looked best when Lebron left game 7 in Indiana. Hood is so disgruntled he didn't even want to go in the game during garbage time. The millenials and jealous former players like Isiah have anointed him as the GOAT. How when he makes those around him worse. When the mid 30's Celtics team chased him out of Cleveland and he joined a super team in Miami to get humiliated by a JJ Berea and the Jet and got blown out and swept by an Ancient Spurs team in NBA record fashion. Without the miracles of Ray Allen and Draymond Green being suspended he should be 1-8. Get ready for the Decision part II on HBO in July lol. Lebron keeps joining Super Teams but Jordan was the Super Team !!!!
Tom- you mean the Decision Part III.
Tom Lambropoulos, LeBron has to run to Miami to have a mentor (D Wade) in the middle of his career. MJ didn’t have a veteran mentor with Championship experience. MJ came to a team with no history or anyone to show him the way.
MrDholloway2 Yeah he had the killer instict and the Assasin mentality all on his own
Tom Lambropoulos Mental/Skill out does Talent everyday. Talent fades cause can’t pass it down, only thru birth of a child and that’s playing the Lottery. Mentality and skill set last forever, cause you can pass it down to generations!
Tom Lambropoulos all facts. Lebron James fans are delusional and disregard facts for the benefit of praising and elevating LBJ. He is a great player, with a lot of flaws but Jordan was greater.
Jordan stopping the Pistons from getting their 3peat.
Jordan stopping the Magic from ever becoming the new Eastern conference dynasty.
Jordon after 21 months away from the NBA comes back for a 2nd 3peat in which he was finals mpv for all 3.
They wanna compare Lebum to Jordan 🤦🏻♂️
Man I'm so glad you pointed that out about the myth of Jordan playing against unathletic white guy's. But like you said LeBron was held in check in the 2011 Finals by a 5'7 140 JJ Barea. How ironic is that...😂😂😂😂😂
Ahmad2423 #MFFL
jj is at least 5 11 6 foot c'mon now lmaooo
Sorry LEBRON FANS! This happened!!!
And if Barea did what he did what do you think Stockton would have done...
@@rechoopslegend9833 Ive from Dallas and have met JJ Barea. I am 5'11. I would say JJ is about 5'9.
Jordan only man in history to be defensive player of the year and leading scorer and I'm not too sure NBA MVP the same season LeBron has never done that
Randolph Garcia yes he won NBA MVP Scoring title DFOY and dunk champion in I believe 88.
Jordan never walked off the court on his teammates with 5 mins like lebaby
In my opinion, he's hasn't even pass Tim Duncan
Nor has he passed Kareem, Magic, Kobe/Bird, and Olajuwon.
Correct
Exactly
TheDude I see what u did there..........sneaking Kobe in😂
@@kharis87 so the dude who flops,crys,blames others,recruits other stars to help him win the ring,FAKES hand injury is better then KB????? Drugs r bad man...really lay of that shit.
Can we please stop putting and comparing him to Jordan. LeBron is lebron that’s it. Records are made to be broken not tarnish a mans work and legacy from the past
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As Hakeem said "its disrespectful to compare him to Jordan"
I commend you brother for acknowledging the bogut and iggy injuries, which is hardly ever spoken about and is probably forgotten in history!!
Jordan was better offensively and defensively than LeBron. LeBron averaged one more rebound per game than Mike, but Mike played in the era of the best big men in history and had great rebounders on his team to take some boards away from him. LeBron is a one foot jumper who leaps better off a running start. Mike can do both and is a quicker jumper. I'd say Mike is arguably a better rebounder. Also when MJ was asked to play pg in the late 80's his passing was arguably right up there with LeBron. Also Mike played against hand checking and no defensive 3 sec rule so the big men could sit there and wait for him, and yet their fg% is less than 1 percent apart. I'd say Mike wins this debate definitively.
Plus the thing that made Jordan greater was his will and determination. You didn't hear him making a lot of excuses and blaming everyone else. If he had the chance to win he just somehow got it done.
omar rana Offense isn't just scoring. Lebron james impacts his whole team mentally and on the court also off. Lebron james is miles ahead of jordan. And lebron james can be a better scorer at will so that jordan argument is actually garbage.
Benziz 200 does he impact in a good way? If so he shud have more Ws on his resume . U wud think scoring 40 point triple doubles wud have him beating everyteam. But no his 40 point scoring is losing basketball
Tj I don't know if if you have ever looked at his goddamn box plus minus which is the highest of all time you wouldn't even ask that question..
Tj Every great impacts their team in a good and negative way, I'm sure you can agree but Lebron does more good then bad for his team.
Even if you went the "longevity" route he'd still not be better than Kareem who dominated 17 yrs straight.
The league isn't testing LeBron for anything cuz if he somehow slipped up & popped for something it would cripple the NBA. It would be so obvious the NBA was a willing participant in covering it up & it would raise questions even the most adamant LeBron stan would have to ask.
Jordan had 5 consecutive seasons of 200 and 6 overall seasons steals and two seasons of 100+ blocks
I can’t put him with Jordan even if he won 2 more because he was 1-5 versus 50+ win teams before he went to Miami. He ran from a challenge when Jordan sat and lost to the same team 3 consecutive seasons. Jordan had to beat back to back defending champs with 3 to possibly 5 hall of famers just to reach the finals then he stopped their 3 peat and lead his team on a 3 peat of their own. Then he retired and went on another 3 peat. He never lost in the finals and he successfully defended his title every following season he was in the nba. I can’t say that about no other player not even his own teammate Scottie Pippen because in 1994 he did not successfully defend his title! Jordan never lost to a team with a worse record than his for a playoff series but Lebron lost 3 consecutive seasons to teams with worse records, the Magic, The Celtics, and The Mavericks! Jordan never been held under 15 points in a playoff game in his career Lebron been held under 10 twice in the last 7 seasons. Jordan never been held under 20 in a finals game Lebron had an 8 point game in the 2011 finals and averaged 17 for a series coming in 3rd in his own team. For his first two NBA finals 2007, 2011 his scoring averaged was 19.5 he had 195 total points in 10 total finals games! He averages 27 points for his career so that is unacceptable! I can not ever put that over a dude that never scored under 20 in a single finals game. Then he had to run to Wade and Bosh in Miami because he couldn’t get back to the finals two consecutive years when he was the mvp with the number 1 overall best record in the entire nba. He lost to a 3 seed and a 4 seed when he had home court advantage over the entire nba! Then Jordan still leads him in points, offensive rebounds, blocks and steals and Lebron already played 3200 more regular season career minutes. And Jordan stilll did things Lebron never did 3000 points in a season, multiple 200 steals seasons, multiple 100 block seasons, won scoring title, mvp, steals title, defensive player of the year all in the same season. Lead a 6 seed to the conference finals with no other all stars on his team. Lebron second season he and Zydrunas Illguskas were all stars and the Cavs missed the playoffs. He needed 36 wins his rookie season to make the playoffs and came up short but Jordan lead his team with 38 wins to the playoffs. Jordan shot 51% his rookie season but Lebron shot 41% his rookie season and never shot 50% until the 2009/10 season which was his 7th. To be greater you must accomplish more in less time or more in the same amount of time. I can’t give Lebron longer than I give Jordan to be greater than Jordan. He already getting passes for needing to be on 3 separate teams to get his accomplishments with 2 current all stars. Then they changed all the rules after his rookie season to make offense easier for him and his generation. It’s not close for me and never can be. But I respect everyone’s position but mines is firm! Lebron ship sailed to pass Jordan long ago and it can’t be made up no matter what he does because Jordan doesn’t have those same flaws on his resume. If Jordan did then Lebron could catch him but he doesn’t!
Exactly
John doue Quebec you really believe he'll win 4 more? GSW will be gone by then but the Celtics won't other teams are up and coming he's not getting younger and his game will not be the same. Well he might find some other drug to help him but still he will not pass Jordan, that's just the truth of the matter here.
John doue Quebec he can never pass Jordan because Jordan doesn’t have an 8 point finals game and didn’t average 17 points for a finals series. Jordan didn’t have 195 total points for 10 finals games in his first 2 finals appearances. Jordan was never a number 1 seed and lost to a 3 seed and a 4 seed. Jordan never lost a series when he had home court advantage Lebron lost 3. Jordan never had a 7 point playoff game. Jordan never had to change teams to win finals. Jordan never scored under 20 points in a finals game or under 15 points in a playoff game. Jordan played less and accomplished way more in the team that drafted him. Lebron is 1-4 in the finals on the team that drafted him. He will never in his life catch Jordan. Anyone with honor agrees. Jordan doesn’t have the flaws on his resume that Lebron has that’s why Lebron can never catch him
John doue Quebec Jordan 6-6 in the finals 4-0 in title defenses because he has 2 separate 3 peats. Lebron 3-9 in the finals and 1-2 in title defenses! Jordan beat Portland and Phoenix on 2 successful title defenses. Then Jordan beat Utah and Utah on 2 other successful title defenses. Lebron beat San Antonio on a title defense and that was luck from Chris Bosh and Ray Allen. Then he went and got a lost on a title defense to San Antonio in 2014. Then in 2017 he got dethroned on his title defense by golden state. Jordan swept 2 time defending champs pistons stopped their 3 peat hopes then lead his team on a 3 peat. Lebron never faced 1 defending champion team from the east in his playoff career. Celtics won in 2008 but the Orlando Magic dethroned them then upset Lebron #1 seed. Jordan faced 87 Celtics defending champs 90 pistons defending champs and 91 pistons defending champs. Lebron is from the weakest era of the eastern conference in nba history. Eastern conference won 6 total nba titles in 20 seasons since Jordan retired from the bulls and Lebron lost 6 of them the same amount that Jordan lead his bulls too 6 titles. Jordan is better than the entire eastern conference of the last 20 seasons not just Lebron. The nba changed rules to make offense easier and Lebron has used free agency 3 separate times to win his 3 titles and he still can’t catch Jordan. Jordan never joined teams to chase rings Lebron is on his 3rd attempt of joining teams to chase rings and is 3-5 in the finals as a result and 0-1 in the finals before free agency in the finals on the team that drafted him. Lebron was 1-5 in finals series versus teams with 50 or more wins before free agency sign and trade to the Miami Heat to chase rings. And he owes the Miami Heat fans not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6 not 7 titles and he really believes that like he said and he, Bosh and Wades press conference.
Think about how fast he put on muscle.. from when he lost all of that way when he left miami and then put it back on thru out that season. In addition, this dude clearly says.. TREATMENT, every time to setup another narrative of all of the concoctions he has been taking.
Well.... Guess we can squash this because he got legit SWEPT !!!!
Penny Hardaway was a beast, i cant think of any flaw in his game (IQ, offense, Defense) but i dont recall him being that strong, not sure if that lead to his injuries but its a shame he got hurt.
Lebron in 2012 need help from the refs to get pass the celtics. That year rondo went crazy with triple doubles
Welcome back u need to do video on stephen a calling LeBron's stat padding and his teammates suffering cuz of it that was golden. And could you do a video on why the cavs lost the 2015 finals imo it was combo of lebron and david blatt scared to go deep in his bench cuz i think they could have won that series.
Cornelious Worsham Where can I see that? I don't know much about basketball but looking at LeBron, I see the same thing. He's strictly playing to pass Jordan. He has good players on his team but they can't really show what they can do because of what he's trying to do. I watched early this season because of D Wade, and saw that they were so out of sync. LeBron doesn't want teammates, he want employees. He's doesn't want to work with anybody, he wants them to work for him so he can accomplish his goal. I think that's why JR and Tristan are still on the team. People complain about them and LeBron carry the team but I think that's what he want. We know Jordan is the GOAT, but people are saying that he had help. LeBron wants to say that he did by himself. He wants to be the hero.
LuvnAries23 can't remember the actual date but it was a few weeks ago
LuvnAries23 may 17 first take
Cornelious Worsham Awww You went and found it. Thank you.
LuvnAries23 yw
I don't know what the statistics may eventually say once Lebron has retired, but it is clear just by watching them play that Lebron has not reached Jordan's level of play, and at this point he never will.
Lebron didn't foresee the Warriors being what they are when he went back in 2014... nobody did..
Good stuff. Good points.1 Corrections...MJ did average 30ppg or better 12 times in the playoffs and the only time he didn't was his very first year in the post season as a rookie at 29.3ppg.
My top 5 I've seen play:
1. MJ
2. Magic
3. Bird
4. LeBron
5. Kobe
Bird is better than Magic and Kobe is definitely better than Lebron
MJ bird duncan magic kobe
The answer can be summed up in one word... Hell to the no!!! Oh that's more than one word. But yes in the 80's we did have less teams so more talent on teams becuz of that. And when the zone defense was brought in the NBA changed making it easier for the players of today.
That 73 win teams did not have Draymond Green for one game due to suspension did not have Andrew Bogut for 2 games did not have a fully healthy Andre Iguodala and Stephan Curry and that nonsense about that KD join the 73 win team it wasn't the same team he joined others had Departed I guess what he made them better
Well rounded analysis. I will say however, the Pistons Jordan played went through much more wear and tear than the Celtics with Pierce, Allen and KG.
indyMode Studios Well the Pistons in 1991 were defending champions and did not have much age to them compared to the 2012 Celtics
Pistons in 1991 like he said were actually younger then the Celtics James faced in KG and Co.
LeBron is not better than jordan
10:23 Thank you Judah...Pippen played 40 plus minutes in that game, he just played like shit, simple as that. Shot 1-10 from the field, finished with 2 or 4 points and folded when it mattered. You can say he had a migraine I think the pressure was just too much for him.
LaBron got swept in this series. If Bird was on that team they never would have been swept. Lebron will never be the player that Bird was.
Geeat point about how we'll have to go back and evaluate the NBA's best players based on cumulative stats instead of success in the postseason. I tell people that all the time.
Larry Bird was better than Lebron !!
Ken Baker. Bro you need a history lesson on the nba, the only thing he does better then Bird is dunk.
Agreed with what your saying Sir, i think this debate has been created to bring the Audience attention to the highest level. They need to fuel the interest maybe the viewing numbers has lowered. i think kobe is above tim duncan but all in all MJ is the best fabulous skill level and all round fantastic BASKETBALL player.
LeBron couldn't beat Golden State last night when Golden State superstars we're playing like his Supporting Cast . So it basically turned out LeBron vs. KD and look what happens
Thank you for picking up on that 1990 Eastern Conference Finals match up they would’ve lost even if he was 💯. 1990 wasn’t there year in 1991 they came physically and mentally stronger which pushed them past the Pistons to their first championship.
Lebron apologists are lucky jordan retired for 2 season in the middle of his champion ship run. Imagine 8-0 or even 7-1 in 8 years. Compared to 3-5 in 8 years, lebron would have no dog in this fight. Then we would hear idiots these days say Hakeem was a scrub and was old and no competition.
Dennis Rodman is an Hall of Fame but everything else is accurate. Jordan the GOAT point blank period
Seems like Stephen A is getting tired of max don’t be surprised if they replace max with someone who isn’t as grating
Thank you, thank you for this excellent video! These cats are trying to REVISE history, they don't point out how Lebron's system of basketball turns his teammates into zombies.. they may be great but after playing with Lebron for years they become little more than spot up shooters.. and his teammates get none of the credit for the wins and all of the blame for the losses... that's why it's a myth that everyone wants to play for Lebron, not everyone does.. it usually means your value plummets through the cellar.
3:40 lmao. Let me just say you paused that at the perfect time for LeBron face to be immortalized hahaha
LeBron is a great player but Michael Jordan is the undisputed GOAT and here's why. No other player has had the overall impact on Basketball than Michael Jordan. From his phenomenal play on the court, changing NBA shorts from daisy dukes to knee level, making his basketball shoes the preferred footwear to inspiring people around the world even in places that didn't have basketball wanting to and playing basketball. There's more but this is enough to chew on for now.
Thank you Judah, been telling these cats that michael’s dominance made those teams look worse than what they were. Much like the way lebron’s play makes his teammates look worse than they are
He just got swept i dont want to hear no more about lebron goat stand for going to another team
And don't forget the Detroit Pistons of the 1980s
No post up move, no go to shot, when he does not have the ball he just stands there. Bird was a master at all skillz and without the ball he was great!!
Jj brea never locked him down
At the end of the day, the end game is to win a championship. We can debate this subject all day but, Jordan will always be 1st, Magic then Bird. Lebron is 6th, isiah is 5th, kareem is 4th in my opinion.
Couldn’t Birds peak match jordans peak...now career wise Jordan surpasses him
Defensively, no. Bird was slow-footed but still a better defender than Magic on the defensive end.
Hakeem is so slept on when talking "mount rushmore" of bball.
Lebron could NEVER hold a candle to Hakeem...its not even close! Hakeem won a title as a 6th seed team SWEEPING the finals...dream shake..ugh!!....Lebron can't even...please....Lebron worship is out of control...he aint even in my top 10
For being considered the greatest player ever LeBron has only led the league in one thing in 15 years does that sound like anything the greatest player should accomplish
LeBron plays like a RUNNINGBACK. He had 2 airballs for crying out loud. Last nights game was actually hilarious.....build up steam, tuck the ball, use brute force and bowl people over.....and cry...and whine. LeBron is closer to TOP 20. How would Jordan be viewed if he left Chicago for Detroit? What if Barkley left the Suns for the Supersonics? What if Karl Malone would have left for the Suns? To be great....you climb and you WIN. This era is embarrassing.
LeBron looked so defeated after the game 3 lost SMH... Jordan was way better
Do these “superfans” not realize how bad it sounds for them to say that their goat in lebron has no chance to beat a team. They want to say how great he is but in the same breathe basically say he’s not that great. It’s amazing to me how ignorant they sound. A true great ALWAYS has a chance to win.
I don't put Bill Russell on that list because there was only 8 teams
I can't put Russell in my top ten, because he wasn't a great 2 way player. Greatest winner, sure. But as far as player talent is concern-NO.
He has passed jordan in finals losses an hes working on passing jordan on hair line .
Love your channel, but I can't give LeBron any love. He is a great player, but his childish outburst after losing to the Mavs is unforgivable.
GOOD VIDEO JUDAH. GOOD COMMENTARY ON LEBRON JAMES HAS ALREADY PASSED JORDAN.
in 2016, the Warriors had game7 to win. They had Stephen Curry and Draymond Green.
How come you don't have Hakeem Olajuwon in your top five the best center i ever seen play
BIG MIKE he has Hakeem at number 9 on his list with centers ahead of him including Kareem, Russell, Wilt, and Shaq so even on his list Hakeem is a top 5 center to ever play
EmperorJBO I’m just relaying the message not here to agree or disagree with you about his list but I do agree with you Hakeem was special
I have a question when Steve Kerr took over from Mark Jackson weren't the warriors a good team already?
I'm not saying LeBron is not great he just is not Michael and he will never be Michael
Players nowadays are proficient at the 3 point shot because they are mostly open when shooting it. They suck at half court sets, can't play defense and even when they zone up they couldn't stop my 5 year old daughter from getting to the basket!
Jordan played against men most of those players are in the top 50 of all time LeBron plays against babies and slow footed European players
Stephen A. Is definitely is on COKE.
Jordan better scorer 30 points a game his career LeBron 27 and obviously a better defensive player than LeBron 9 * all-defensive 2 Lebrons 5 better offensive better defensive player come on now
Do you see how red Max gets when SAS goes on his LeBron the great points. Its hilarious to me that people even buy into this discussion.
I enjoy hearing somebody that is very intelligent and knows so much about many era’s ✊ unlike most nba fans that only know about their favorite team or their era. But are ignorant to the other 95% of the nba. All you speak is facts
AND IN 2011 Rondo dislocated his elbow
U wrong Judah mj averaged 30 his whole career 30.1
Iron Man he averaged 33.1 or whatever in the playoffs bro. He says that specifically
Cesar Moreno I'm not talking about that.He said he didn't average 30 12 years straight .He said Steven is wrong.
yeah and take into account that his average was brought down playing as an Oldman in a wizards uniform and he still had a 30 point per game career average. Think about that. All of Lebron's numbers have been PRIME or younger.
Tired of Fools you can read my mind lol
Iron Man oh ok, ur right homie
Correction: the Bulls had 3 hall of famers during the 2nd three peat. I agree MJ is the GOAT as well.
If its strictly about statistics then Wilt Chamberlain is better than Bill Russel. But thats not the case is it?
LeBron has three titles and has repeated as champ once in his career.
Michael Jordan has six titles and has repeated as champion four times.
The only team LeBron has ever beat in the finals that didn’t beat him the following year were the Oklahoma City Thunder.
LeBron has been swept twice and won in seven games twice.
LeBron is 18-31 in NBA finals games.
Michael Jordan is 24-11 in the NBA finals.
LeBron has been to three more finals, and has six less wins in the finals.
LeBron has been to the finals nine times and has been swept twice as much as he’s even repeated.
He’s not the same performer when it matters.
Larry bird was crunch time .. Lebron not better
No way!!!!!!!
Why aren't you on these ESPN shows?
After he win one more Championship she
Lebron got swept 😂😂😂😂😂 make a video on Lebron getting swept. ChroniclesofJudah 144 go on and start that series, sequel, or eqilogue.
LBJ is not a better basketball player than than Kobe Bean Bryant, may he rest in peace. #my🖐🏽 #24 #8
WHAT ABOUT DR.J THEN??!
Golden State still had a great chance to win game 7 of the 2016 Finals. It was on their court, it was a very close game, and it was a grand opportunity for the Warriors to put it out. Give credit to the Cavaliers for winning game 7 of the Finals on the road. It is the first this happened since 1978 when the Washington Bullets beat the Seattle Supersonics in Seattle.
@ Chronicles of Judah it's has been a while since you posted this video. I wonder what you think now? Have you remade your "mount Rushmore"? I'm sorry, LeBron will never be a Better player than Larry Bird! Never will be. Good analysis on this one though.
Lebron is the least skilled goat
Love the channel and content but I had to stop watching after you said LeBron at 5A 🤣🤣🤣
Lebron is 3-6 in finals. Robert Horry has 7 rings, why? because even though he was not an MVP, or an allstar, if you put him on a championship caliber team in a finals moment, he will come up big. He was a closer. Lebron is 3-6 not because his teammates were bums but because he just did not close the deal when it was winning time. The difference between Jordan and Lebron is if Jordan were in the OT situation like game 1, he would have played in OT the way Lebron played in the first half. He would have found a way to win that game. That's what you're supposed to do when you are the greatest player on the floor. If Lebron had been playing that way when it's time to win a close championship game over the last few years he would not be 3-6 and he would be the G.O.A.T. but......
TheTlewis3074 especially seeing that in overtime Durant & Curry had 2 pts total.
actually KD had 4 free throws if I remember correctly. Lebron I believe was scoreless.
TheTlewis3074
Bron is 3-5. He could possibly be 4-5
Just Bake Lebron possibly could be 0-9. The refs gave the Heat the OKC series with a bunch of bad calls, Popovic gave him the 2nd by taking Timmy out of the game at the end, I will never understand that and thankk God for Ray Allen. and Draymond gave him the 3rd with that stupid kick to the balls. And Lebron was not the guy to make the winning plays in any of those series. He's lucky to have even 1 ring.
TheTlewis3074 Thank you!!! Why does Lebron get a magical pass from the overtime???? If you think you could break Jordan mentally with time still on the clock scores tied you don’t even know enough about the players to argue for Lebron.
What is you talkin mayne.SMH
Jordan in this day and age with the soft defensive rule wood average 40 LeBron take him back to 8485 or the 90s with similar Talent not the time of the day would average maybe 25
The difference is Jordan's fg% would increase and Lebron's would decrease.
the goat debate is weak because MJ set standard that will be hard for Lebron to match. I agree with you on LeBron skill set is what makes him great. no how great a player is at the end of the day its a team game
Facts bro.
"Allegedly."
How could anyone praise Lebron in this league? There’s no defense, all the players are 19 years old, all the athletes are rookies guys move right out of the way for him he cries and stomp if he don’t get calls, he trips over those big ass shoes he wears and the defense got a foul call this is the worse basketball I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. So he might pass all the greats, buuuutttt back then they played defense. No defense no big men in the paint all the big men are shooting threes thanks to Steph who should be getting praises because he single handily changed the game.
My Top 10: 1. Bill Russell 2. Wilt Chamberlain 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 4. Oscar Robertson 5.Isiah Thomas 6.Michael Jordan 7. Magic Johnson 8. Larry Bird 9. Tim Duncan 10. Hakeem.
I based this on championships; coming through in the clutch; and based upon the natural abilities and deficiencies of players alongside of their peers... not to mention who they beat during their path to titles and while winning titles during their reign.
Reasoning: The reason why I have Russell over Wilt is because they faced one another and Russell won more while Chamberlain scored more and Russell defeated Chamberlain more (when it mattered) than Chamberlain defeated Russell while Russell knew how to lead his team.
The reason why I have Isiah Thomas over Magic, Jordan, and Bird is because at 6'1" 185lb. he defeated all of them more than they defeated him; also they had to change the rules due to the Detroit Pistons' style-of-play to enable Jordan an easier path to winning multiple times as Magic and Bird became old. I put Magic over Bird because Magic won more titles and defeated Bird twice in the NBA Finals. I put Duncan over Hakeem because Duncan has more titles over a consistent period of time; even though I would take Hakeem in his prime over Duncan; Tim Duncan was a better consistent winner with the abilities and talent around him versus Hakeem's reign from 1993-94 to 1995-96, no way Hakeem wins titles with weak back-up centers and power forwards along with guards like Parker and Ginobili, who would have been devoured in the 90's and been considered as weak.
The top guys on this list (1-5) would dominate the bottom guys (6-10) on this list given the switch of either the physical abilities or teammates had by the 6-10 guys; I guarantee you the 1-5 players on this list either win more titles or improve their individual stats/abilities.
You cannot tell me that Isiah Thomas wouldn't win more titles if he were 6'9"-6'6" like Magic/Bird/Jordan or that Duncan would not have won more titles over a longer period of time if he had guys like Horry, Thorpe, Drexler, Cassell, Ellie, Maxwell, Smith etc...now he did have David Robinson but that takes two titles away giving Duncan 3 without Robinson (2005, 2007, 2014) and more than Hakeem. You put Bird in the Duncan era and Duncan in the Bird era; Tim Duncan doesn't win as much in the 80's but Bird would have dominated from 1998-2016.
I disagree with your list but must say you have some very good points of why you think that way, much much more intellect than most of the nonsense people try to argue ;)
All lists are subjective but the reasoning behind things is vital towards understanding; that's how true dialog and debate ought to be understood.
When you look at it from a weakness standpoint, your list changes because all those players you named had weaknesses except for Jordan. He had none. That is the bottom line in gauging greatest players of all time!
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He makes his teammates play better basketball
Truth Troll Yes Jordan did.
I got - Jordan, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Kareem, Shaq, Wilt, then Lebron - If Lebron could beat this Golden state team, I will move Lebron up to #2.................... Right now they are down 0/2 to Golden state!
I would say Duncan is somewhat close to Jordan as far as champions
Kyrie, and Love was out also
no Jordan is better than LeBron. as of now but he can be better then Jordan
LEGONNE 3-5 he went to 7 NBA finals he never had a team Jordan had ok so had better players king James can go on a bum team and take them to the finals Jordan needed Scottie ok true fact Jordan was a bad man ok but if king j go to a team like suxeres he win more championship king James one 3 rings anyway ok James can be better on
I was thinking you right