I feel like it's more of a practicality standpoint that gives them such enduring appeal, everything on the Zaku is there for a reason, the shield on the arm is to block incoming fire, the spiked pauldron is for ramming ships, the open ports on the head give the mono eye more visual range, the skirt armor protects the leg joints. Love the Zaku for the more grounded aesthetic where the Gundam can come off as a bit much at times.
@@scottroxford5715 The only thing that bothers me about the Zaku is the largely unprotected cables along the outside. There's no reason why anything important like power cables should be outside.
What I really like about this depiction. It shows that it's not so easy to take out a ship. You see Zakus firing multiple bazooka shells into ships. Probably why Zeon kept scaling up their bazooka until you get the "Giant Bazooka". But by that point they were fighting MS and Balls. Complete overkill and a slower projectile.
Also once Beam weapons were wide spread MS became much more deadly to ships and rendered the old solid shell bazooka rather obsolete. That's one of the awesome things about the UC timeline is it shows a clear line of advancement in general tech.
Zakus - the iconic bad guy mobile suit. Best homage to Zaku was the Army of Evil Coop who is dressed up as Char Aznable from Char's Counterattack in Megas XLR. And his mech is a Sazabi expy.
*Fun Fact:* The MS-06C was the last Zeon machine designed to operate on a nuclear battlefield. Nuclear weapons were envisioned as a major part of both Zeon and Federation doctrine prior to and during the early part of the OYW, and the first few major battles of the war involved the deployment of tactical and strategic nuclear weapons, both in space and on land. Mobile Suits were expected to fight in zones where such weapons had been used or were actively being used, and so both the MS-06C and the earlier MS-05 series were fitted with fairly heavy radiation shielding. After the signing of the Antarctic Treaty, which forbid such weapons, this shielding was considered an unnecessary expense, and all future Zaku variants starting with the MS-06F did not receive it. Many MS-06Cs were actually retrofitted to the MS-06F standard, resulting in a noticeable improvement in performance due to the reduction in mass.
The Earth Federation Forces, which did not surrender despite such a large difference in strength, is also frightening. Zaku's bazooka is so cool. It has a different charm from beam weapons.
Yeah, and these clips show it well. It reminds me of some early WWI when the French would attempt to charge positions of new German machine weapons with some old field guns and horse cavalry
Actually it was a Pyrric victory for Zeon. While they did win they lost a lot of their best pilots in the process, leaving them exhausted. Once General Revil reported back to the Federation about this, Loum became more of a devastating loss for Zeon imo.
It's like the battle in WW2 where a British battle ship tried to fight off a squad of Japanese planes and was soundly defeated signaling the end of the age of battle ships. This mirrors that very nicely as from then on if a ship didn't carry MS is was not going to be able to fight back. Adds a nice layer of realism to your mech fantasy.
@@Devenix8527 The outcome of Loum varies heavily tbh, its regarded as one of the most inconsistent events in the entire U.C timeline but most sources point to it being a proper victory for Zeon. In "original sources" Zeon only lost like 4 Gwazine-class battleships during Loum whereas other sources claims a few dozen ships were lost. Regardless the losses incurred by the Federation compared to Zeon's is STAGGERING and its why Zeon had grounds to force the Federation into a potential surrender. The thing is, Loum pretty much took most if not all Zeon had to pull off, Revil saw this and realised Zeon couldn't sustain itself in a protracted war.
I just see this mostly just showing how big the Sabrefish is, it’s a pretty damn big for other planes. Though how it’s scaled properly with a zaku Its definitely appreciated
I love how this rendition of the Zaku actually shows just how nimble they were compared to battle ships, it's like the real world version of the battle the Brits fought against the Japanese in ww2 where a British battle ship tried to fight a squad of Japanese fighters/bombers and was soundly sunk marking the end of the age of battle ships. Just like this battle showed that ships alone were rather pointless against weapons like MS unless the ship too could deploy it's own MS forces.
The fall of the Musashi and Yamato further reinforced that fact. The advancement of missiles is what truly killed the battleship for good though, never again shall ships of the line exchange cannon fire.
@@demomanchaos Nope and it's that bit of realism in the anime that really helps it and I love they kept innovating with it from solid primer based weapons to beam weapons then mini MS that was faster and more agile. It's a very nice touch I think.
@@taliawtf6944 Even the titular Gundams are very rarely overpowered Super Robots. I am not a fan of the new-type nonsense personally but I love how the mobile suits are treated as regular weapons. 08th MS Team has some of the best fights in all mech anime because they involve using tactics and coordination rather than main character bullshit.
@@demomanchaos Until Jamming/Lasers get so advanced that missiles and air power become Useless. Then we will turn to railgun cannons and turn to missiles again. The great Never Ending circle of Weapons and counter measure development
Battle of Loum - where the Federation finally get the memo that they must create mobile suits to counter Zeon's own. Hence the V-Project that made the Guntank, the Guncannon and.... The Gundam.
@@Rahayu.76 and they were still used in the MBT role of long range combat where Zeon suits excelled in close range for the purpose of exploiting weaknesses of battleships
If only Zeon focus on just producing Mobile Suits instead of Mobile Armors they wouldn't have being in a bad spot in the later part of the war. M'Quv is one of the leading cause to Zeon's down fall as if he gave Romba Ral Dom instead of him sticking to his Gouf Ral would have being able to capture the Gundam and White Base plus the place he was assigned to would have being able to repel a Federation attack, but nope he decide to hide the fact that he being filling his own pocket with the money he made selling the ores he found at the Mine.
However, M'Quv did give the United Maintenance Plan as he saw the problem with all these MS and no shared parts, weapons and even cockpits among them. While it was adopted it was too little too late as the Gelgoog suffered the most from a lack of standardized cockpit; ie getting slaughtered at A Baua Qu.
@@CaptainIchimaruGin Funny thing is, only M-Quv saw the problem AND implemented a means to fix it. Ironic, considering Zeon didn't implement the plan until it was too late. Of course M-Quv did cost Zeon Ramba Ral (and I agree if Ral did get his Doms, then both the Gundam and the White Base would be history) so it balances out.
Zeon up in the colonies don't have the resources to fight toe-to-toe, that's why they wanted to make MA to make a decisive breakthrough. It's based on ww2, germany/japan didn't have the manpower/resources to deal with the allies.
Honestly, this beats Unicorn and Hathaway on animation in space. I can watch the first 3 seconds repeatedly. Origins use of 3d space and detailed RCS is the best. Hathaway had the best damage effects be it beam, kinetic, or damage of any kind. Unicorn had some of the best designs, especially the cockpit shots, and is still a solid top contender.
Was the Zaku 2 pauldron on the left shoulder used to specifically attack ships and building, or as a response in anticipation to counterattack the potential appearance of Federation MS?
It was the federation's mistake to underestimate this thinking that they will notbe essential to warfare and that it will still be ship to ship combat and fighters.
battle ships in UC - actual flagships with enough armor to survive multiple hits. batle ships in CE - gets grazed enitre thing glows up immediately fucking literal paper ships
F91 they shoot down a Vanguard suit. But by that point they had scaled up beam machine guns for their AA. Way more effective. Here most of the salamis have like two or three crappy machine gun turrets for each side on top. And nothing on the underside of the ship. A lot of the UC ships lack any weapons at all on the underside. The Late war Musai from 0083 mitigates this somewhat by adding one turret below. But most ships just don't seem to bother. Even the White Base wasn't often shooting down MS. So much as deter them from getting too close.
The battle of loum always reminds me of the battle of midway where the Japanese lost most of their aces and vets yo the American fleet and story after loum is almost the same as what happen to the Japanese at the end of the war
正史では核兵器が使用できる機能をオミットしたのがF型とされています。 しかし、THE ORIGINではマイナーチェンジくらいの扱いだと思います。 In official history, the F type is considered to have omitted the function that can use nuclear weapons. However, in THE ORIGIN, I think it's treated as a minor change.
@@scarlet_squadron thank you user-hz7mq1kb6r but remember the c type is a zaku with heavy radiation shielding the made it a bit slower than the f type.
Due to Girin's betrayal by using the Solar System High Energy Beam Cannon to kill his old man and the Federation officers he was going to negotiate a peaceful surrender with. If the eldest wasn't a big warmonger that wanted victory over defeat all those innocent Zaku II pilots life would have being spared. Also Zeon kind of dug their own grave as if they assigned competent officers to important role plus focus on developing new Mobile Suits only instead of mobile armors they would have the Federation willing to negotiate a peace talk.
thats cuz Minovsky Particle density was so thick that AI targeting became useless so now they either had to do It manually or let ai do the work but miss anyway. It was stated in the anime afterall.
The funny thing is that things are shifting away from aircraft after a fashion. Missiles are becoming too effective, practical weaponized lasers are beginning to be deployed, and sensors are getting so good that you either have to have stealth out the wazoo or accept massive casualties.
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Zaku II is design-perfection from an aesthetics standpoint.
I feel like it's more of a practicality standpoint that gives them such enduring appeal, everything on the Zaku is there for a reason, the shield on the arm is to block incoming fire, the spiked pauldron is for ramming ships, the open ports on the head give the mono eye more visual range, the skirt armor protects the leg joints. Love the Zaku for the more grounded aesthetic where the Gundam can come off as a bit much at times.
@@scottroxford5715 yea its like an actual military equipment
Thats why i felt like zaku or any zeon grunt kit felt right when i weathered it
Check out the RF Series of the Zeon suits! The Zaku, Gouf, Dom, and Gelgoog are back with beam weapons, tougher armor, and a very nostalgic design.
@@scottroxford5715 The only thing that bothers me about the Zaku is the largely unprotected cables along the outside. There's no reason why anything important like power cables should be outside.
@@zorkmid1083 yeah I don't get the tubes either, definitely one of those "German influences from that one time in history" sort of thing.
AESTHETIC
What I really like about this depiction. It shows that it's not so easy to take out a ship. You see Zakus firing multiple bazooka shells into ships. Probably why Zeon kept scaling up their bazooka until you get the "Giant Bazooka". But by that point they were fighting MS and Balls. Complete overkill and a slower projectile.
Also once Beam weapons were wide spread MS became much more deadly to ships and rendered the old solid shell bazooka rather obsolete. That's one of the awesome things about the UC timeline is it shows a clear line of advancement in general tech.
@@taliawtf6944 Yep. And even then the Zeons couldn't help develop a beam bazooka. Which probably is pretty damn good for destroying ships.
@@Rawsilver Yeah that was a touch nuts... and yeah that thing did nuke ships really easy.
And it just make how Char really deserve a tittle name for soloing those ships.
@@Rawsilver The Doms did, but they couldn't be made quick enough to fill the ranks.
Zakus - the iconic bad guy mobile suit.
Best homage to Zaku was the Army of Evil Coop who is dressed up as Char Aznable from Char's Counterattack in Megas XLR.
And his mech is a Sazabi expy.
Megas XLR was an awesome show.
Chicks dig giant robots.
Let's admit it. You simply can't dislike the classic Zaku II
Of all the gundams, Zaku MS's will ALWAYS be my favorite
*Fun Fact:* The MS-06C was the last Zeon machine designed to operate on a nuclear battlefield. Nuclear weapons were envisioned as a major part of both Zeon and Federation doctrine prior to and during the early part of the OYW, and the first few major battles of the war involved the deployment of tactical and strategic nuclear weapons, both in space and on land. Mobile Suits were expected to fight in zones where such weapons had been used or were actively being used, and so both the MS-06C and the earlier MS-05 series were fitted with fairly heavy radiation shielding. After the signing of the Antarctic Treaty, which forbid such weapons, this shielding was considered an unnecessary expense, and all future Zaku variants starting with the MS-06F did not receive it. Many MS-06Cs were actually retrofitted to the MS-06F standard, resulting in a noticeable improvement in performance due to the reduction in mass.
Pretty sure they stopped making MS-06C zaku IIs is because zeon and earth federstion stopped fighting on nuclear grounds
@@Momimo7Z That's kinda what I said.
@@autofox1744 i didn't read it
Wouldn’t it need it anyways because space = radiation
The Earth Federation Forces, which did not surrender despite such a large difference in strength, is also frightening.
Zaku's bazooka is so cool.
It has a different charm from beam weapons.
Loum was such a decisive victory for Zeon cos the Federation just wasn't prepared for combat against Mobile Suits.
Yeah, and these clips show it well. It reminds me of some early WWI when the French would attempt to charge positions of new German machine weapons with some old field guns and horse cavalry
Actually it was a Pyrric victory for Zeon. While they did win they lost a lot of their best pilots in the process, leaving them exhausted. Once General Revil reported back to the Federation about this, Loum became more of a devastating loss for Zeon imo.
@@Devenix8527 yeah but u wont know thst from watching origin.
Like, i cant recall a single zaku got shot down or even got a scratch.
It's like the battle in WW2 where a British battle ship tried to fight off a squad of Japanese planes and was soundly defeated signaling the end of the age of battle ships. This mirrors that very nicely as from then on if a ship didn't carry MS is was not going to be able to fight back. Adds a nice layer of realism to your mech fantasy.
@@Devenix8527 The outcome of Loum varies heavily tbh, its regarded as one of the most inconsistent events in the entire U.C timeline but most sources point to it being a proper victory for Zeon. In "original sources" Zeon only lost like 4 Gwazine-class battleships during Loum whereas other sources claims a few dozen ships were lost. Regardless the losses incurred by the Federation compared to Zeon's is STAGGERING and its why Zeon had grounds to force the Federation into a potential surrender. The thing is, Loum pretty much took most if not all Zeon had to pull off, Revil saw this and realised Zeon couldn't sustain itself in a protracted war.
00:50
ここ、ザクを人型兵器じゃなくて航空機っぽく見せてる感と、対空砲火を巧みに避けながら、確実に打撃を与えてる感じで好き
ただ直進してるように見えるがそんな高度な戦術とは恐れ入った
航空機による雷撃戦を思わせる肉薄と弾幕なんだよね。リスクあるけどバズーカの火力を最も発揮できる投射方法。
@@2347394この米のお陰で、コメ主米がなんちゅー皮肉かと思ったよ
0:43 is probably the most realistic depiction of MS scale I've seen, most shows depict them as much larger than their stats suggest
I just see this mostly just showing how big the Sabrefish is, it’s a pretty damn big for other planes. Though how it’s scaled properly with a zaku Its definitely appreciated
@@SlowpokeSpartan most fighter planes are way larger than people think too, the saberfish is slightly longer than most modern fighter jets
@@LArbongoexactly. A f15 is longer than a zaku is tall.
Absolute Mass Produced Perfection
Wow a Classic who never dies right?
I love how this rendition of the Zaku actually shows just how nimble they were compared to battle ships, it's like the real world version of the battle the Brits fought against the Japanese in ww2 where a British battle ship tried to fight a squad of Japanese fighters/bombers and was soundly sunk marking the end of the age of battle ships. Just like this battle showed that ships alone were rather pointless against weapons like MS unless the ship too could deploy it's own MS forces.
The fall of the Musashi and Yamato further reinforced that fact. The advancement of missiles is what truly killed the battleship for good though, never again shall ships of the line exchange cannon fire.
@@demomanchaos Nope and it's that bit of realism in the anime that really helps it and I love they kept innovating with it from solid primer based weapons to beam weapons then mini MS that was faster and more agile. It's a very nice touch I think.
@@taliawtf6944 Even the titular Gundams are very rarely overpowered Super Robots. I am not a fan of the new-type nonsense personally but I love how the mobile suits are treated as regular weapons. 08th MS Team has some of the best fights in all mech anime because they involve using tactics and coordination rather than main character bullshit.
@@demomanchaos Eactly
@@demomanchaos
Until Jamming/Lasers get so advanced that missiles and air power become Useless. Then we will turn to railgun cannons and turn to missiles again.
The great Never Ending circle of Weapons and counter measure development
This scene would of been alot better if it showed some zakus getting shot down, or you know not flying in a straight line towards AA fire
But then the Zeon wankers would whine. Even though the battle of Loum was costly for the Federation *AND* Zeon
@@SudrianTales fr
@@SudrianTales Lol cope feddy
@@sirfijoe450
Hows Zeon doi-Oh wait
@@SudrianTales busy having the cooler looking suits.
I like how Zaku weaponry ranges wildly between “giant assault rifle bouncing harmlessly off of enemy mechs” to “giant bazooka that kills battleships”
Battle of Loum - where the Federation finally get the memo that they must create mobile suits to counter Zeon's own.
Hence the V-Project that made the Guntank, the Guncannon and.... The Gundam.
Well, Guntank already exists in this timeline.
@@Rahayu.76 and they were still used in the MBT role of long range combat where Zeon suits excelled in close range for the purpose of exploiting weaknesses of battleships
The Battle of Loum was brutal.
Opening on the crew's warcry is a neat touch.
0:20 雷撃戦を想起させる演出、たまりませんな
I like how "06C" sound like "Oh sexy" because that's exactly what the Zaku II design is
If only Zeon focus on just producing Mobile Suits instead of Mobile Armors they wouldn't have being in a bad spot in the later part of the war. M'Quv is one of the leading cause to Zeon's down fall as if he gave Romba Ral Dom instead of him sticking to his Gouf Ral would have being able to capture the Gundam and White Base plus the place he was assigned to would have being able to repel a Federation attack, but nope he decide to hide the fact that he being filling his own pocket with the money he made selling the ores he found at the Mine.
The only thing that M'Quve did right is the United Maintenance Plan but it was too late.
However, M'Quv did give the United Maintenance Plan as he saw the problem with all these MS and no shared parts, weapons and even cockpits among them. While it was adopted it was too little too late as the Gelgoog suffered the most from a lack of standardized cockpit; ie getting slaughtered at A Baua Qu.
@@Devenix8527 I think any ZEON commander would have notice and report the problem.
@@CaptainIchimaruGin Funny thing is, only M-Quv saw the problem AND implemented a means to fix it. Ironic, considering Zeon didn't implement the plan until it was too late. Of course M-Quv did cost Zeon Ramba Ral (and I agree if Ral did get his Doms, then both the Gundam and the White Base would be history) so it balances out.
Zeon up in the colonies don't have the resources to fight toe-to-toe, that's why they wanted to make MA to make a decisive breakthrough.
It's based on ww2, germany/japan didn't have the manpower/resources to deal with the allies.
連邦はMSの開発に遅れたせいで、ジオンには当初ボコボコにされてたんだよな。
ガンダムのアニメは１年戦争の最後の３カ月の物語。
つまりそれ以前の９カ月は毎回毎回こんな轟沈シーンだらけだったんだろうな。
それな((((；ﾟДﾟ))))ｶﾞｸｶﾞｸﾌﾞﾙﾌﾞﾙ
The Zaku II (type c) plastic model is also good.
航空機のように編隊組んで飛んでるザク大好き
ほんとそれな
Excellent job ❤
Honestly, this beats Unicorn and Hathaway on animation in space. I can watch the first 3 seconds repeatedly. Origins use of 3d space and detailed RCS is the best. Hathaway had the best damage effects be it beam, kinetic, or damage of any kind. Unicorn had some of the best designs, especially the cockpit shots, and is still a solid top contender.
Thunderbolt
Was the Zaku 2 pauldron on the left shoulder used to specifically attack ships and building, or as a response in anticipation to counterattack the potential appearance of Federation MS?
Yes, like the heat hawk it was designed with engaging enemy MS in mind.
［ザクⅡC型(the origin版)］
ザクⅰの後継機であるザクⅡの
バリエーションのひとつ。
初期のものであるにも関わらず
この時点で既に高い汎用性と
拡張性を備えておりルウム戦役
にて大きく活躍した。
なおTV版のC型は対核仕様の
機体だったがこちらも同じかは
不明である。
更に漫画第一話時点で既に旧式に
なっている模様。
I can’t decide if I like the Zaku II design with or without the head fin more 🤔
ザクⅡ C型
ご存知ジオンの傑作MS。
C型は比較的初期に生産された機体で、元祖とオリジン版で若干設定が異なる。(元祖では核攻撃を前提としたカスタムをしている)
機体性能などはまさに名機に相応しいバランスの良さで、まさしく主力機に相応しい。
劇中ではルウム戦役において主力機として多数投入。MS開発に遅れをとる連邦軍を圧倒した。
ザクバズーカが普通の弾頭設定になったのに戦艦が簡単に沈むのが個人的には納得がいかないなぁ。
@@むらむら-j4l
サラミスは兎も角マゼランはかなり頑丈に描かれてますよ。
TVアニメ版ではカットされていますが、ザク隊とムサイ数隻が肉薄して漸くダメージを与えています。
ドズル艦隊が残敵掃討をするシーンでも原形を留めているマゼランが多数見受けられます。
RIP the Saberfish getting kicked by the Zaku but it wasn't Char funny enough.
Are the Zakus shooting nuclear missiles? Those are pretty big explosions to take out a ship in one hit.
Essentially they are bazooka style weapons though the rounds they fire are comparable to a missile on impact
It was the federation's mistake to underestimate this thinking that they will notbe essential to warfare and that it will still be ship to ship combat and fighters.
戦艦も格好いい💜
やっぱりザクが好き！
ここまでボコボコにされたのにガンダムやジムとかを造って巻き返した連邦は凄いなぁ...
That's because Earth had much larger resources. But I think it was hinted that by Gundam Unicorn even Earth couldn't keep that pace.
それな
MS開発スピードもだけど、ルウムで半壊した艦隊も再建してるのがバケモン
I wonder how do the combined fleets of space warships and mobile suits from both Federation and Zeon fare against the ELS swarm coming their way.
If Amuro can repel ELS like setsuna they are alive..
MA-05 Bigro?
C型は核バズ運用前提の設計で、ギレンの野望ムービーでは撃ちまくってるんだよなぁ
対放射線用の減速材が入ってて、南極条約後、デッドウェイトになった減速材を抜いたF型となる
battle ships in UC - actual flagships with enough armor to survive multiple hits.
batle ships in CE - gets grazed enitre thing glows up immediately fucking literal paper ships
Can anyone recall when the triple A on ships actually shot down a Moble Suit?
Off the top of my head, in Unicorn a Sleeves Bawoo made an attack run on the Nahel Argama and was shot down by its main guns.
It is remarkably bad considering the time period
Even today aaa will down targets the size of small birds let alone giant war robots
Even if it lands a few hits, the Zaku 2's armor is thick enough to tank does shots. Those are designed to take down fighters.
F91 they shoot down a Vanguard suit. But by that point they had scaled up beam machine guns for their AA. Way more effective. Here most of the salamis have like two or three crappy machine gun turrets for each side on top. And nothing on the underside of the ship. A lot of the UC ships lack any weapons at all on the underside. The Late war Musai from 0083 mitigates this somewhat by adding one turret below. But most ships just don't seem to bother. Even the White Base wasn't often shooting down MS. So much as deter them from getting too close.
Gundam SEED also has a few occasions of grunt MS getting wrecked by an AA fire though literally a few
Fun fact:the gundam one year war was just another variety of ww2
オリジンの戦闘シーン、ホント良いよね！これでファーストガンダムをリニューアルと行きたいとこだけど、富野さんは絶対にOK出さないと思う。人物像や物語全体に微妙なズレがあって許容できないと思う。
THE mobile suit.
一年戦争初期のよく訓練されたパイロットは機動しながら攻撃するのに、一年戦争終盤やそれ以降は宇宙空間で棒立ちのまま射撃するパイロットばかりになるの悲しいなぁ
The battle of loum always reminds me of the battle of midway where the Japanese lost most of their aces and vets yo the American fleet and story after loum is almost the same as what happen to the Japanese at the end of the war
Gundam the Origin really redeemed the Zaku.
この時は南極条約前だからザクはC型。
つまり映像だと普通のザクバズーカを使っているが、核バズーカ使って来てもおかしく無い。数日前まで撃ちまくってたのをこの時は使ってないのも不自然よね。
This shows that the zaku could have been a unit to fear.... instead it became nothing more than a trash mob
オリジンのザクは機動力上がり過ぎ
This is The Origin
if Mario have Goomba
Gundam have Zaku II
No sound in space tho
womp womp
ジオン脅威のメカニズム！！
宇宙用か知らんけど航空機の運動性は確実に現代以下やな
あと、予備弾倉を盾に張り付けるのは如何なものかと
ルウム戦役のザクは強かった、連邦の白い悪魔が出るまでは
SIEG ZEON
I guess we can't all be winners here.
@@mechanomics2649A bit of a vice versa.
The difference between 2 c type and the f type?
正史では核兵器が使用できる機能をオミットしたのがF型とされています。
しかし、THE ORIGINではマイナーチェンジくらいの扱いだと思います。
In official history, the F type is considered to have omitted the function that can use nuclear weapons.
However, in THE ORIGIN, I think it's treated as a minor change.
@@scarlet_squadron thank you user-hz7mq1kb6r but remember the c type is a zaku with heavy radiation shielding the made it a bit slower than the f type.
,anak em eko low lunggo ngadoh gowo robot
what gundam series is this from
gundam the origin
核装備のC型も見たいなぁ
Idk why but this reminds me of pearl harbor
Too bad by the end of the war about all of them will be died.
Due to Girin's betrayal by using the Solar System High Energy Beam Cannon to kill his old man and the Federation officers he was going to negotiate a peaceful surrender with. If the eldest wasn't a big warmonger that wanted victory over defeat all those innocent Zaku II pilots life would have being spared. Also Zeon kind of dug their own grave as if they assigned competent officers to important role plus focus on developing new Mobile Suits only instead of mobile armors they would have the Federation willing to negotiate a peace talk.
このシーン タイトルと話数教えて欲しい オリジン？
OVA版なら6章、TV版なら多分11話
Too few saberfish 😅
Eveey k ow and then i wish the ships got a k o to make it more reakistic
「なんで？」って聞くのもおかしいかも知れないけど、アメリカとか日本以上に『メカおたく』が居るだろうに、こういう作品を作らないでしょうか？🤔
メカオタクだけが作れると思うな
マーベル作品めちゃくちゃ金かけた方が儲かる
Which one is this?
Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin
序盤に艦隊決戦と見せかける為に、多くのムサイが囮となり、犠牲なったからこそ、ザクの奇襲が成功したと思う。結果的に圧勝に見えるが、ジオン艦隊も相当な損傷率で、レビル将軍のジオンに兵無し宣言は、的を得ていると思います。
ただまあ連邦は連邦で宇宙戦力ほぼ消滅、宇宙での戦闘経験のある兵士もほぼ消滅、旧作一話で少年兵に頼る軍にテムレイが憂いてる
本来ならここで詰みで反撃不可能状態、V作戦とかビンソン計画とかリアルなら早くて5～6年はかかる
@@mogupinrx ファーストの世界線だとビンソン計画で再建した宇宙艦隊は連邦がそれまで蓄積していた富をつぎこんだもので、もし壊滅したら戦争中の再編成は不可能という状況だったそうな（MS大図鑑より）
なお何度でも再建すればよいと言い放てるオリジン連邦の余裕
@@MsSyage UCでも語られてるように連邦には最終的な勝利を約束する「時間」があったんですよね。無限の縦深、無限に物資を飲み込む青い炎
ジオンが勝つのは無理だったと思いますね
@@Takajo0801
ジオンは物量比を理解しており、全体的に戦術的な勝利は無理だと悟っていて、
地球降下作戦でプレッシャーをかけて早期講話締結を以て戦略的勝利を目論んでいたのよ〜
@@19850110naoya それを言うなら地球降下作戦じゃなく、ブリティッシュ作戦（コロニー落とし）だね。
ジャブローにコロニーを落として地球連邦軍の指揮系統をズタズタにして機能不全にする予定だったが、連邦軍の抵抗のため大気圏突入時にコロニーが2つに分裂して失敗に終わる。
そのせいでジオン有利の早期終戦協定を結ぶ目論見も外れ、戦争は泥沼化。
後に引けなくなったジオンは地球降下作戦に踏み切る、という流れ。
まさにマレー沖海戦のそれ
こんな「三人寄ればシャア大佐」みたいな猛者が多かったジオン一般兵が最後の三ヶ月はどうしたんだか
ほぼ連邦にボコされてるやつばっかじゃん
そーでもない。それこそアバオアクー戦の戦力差ってソーラレイ発射後であってもなお三倍以上の兵力差があったけど、ギレンの指揮もあったとはいえ彼が暗殺されるまで戦況はむしろジオン有利に推移していたし損耗についても連邦の方が大きかった。
ソロモンでも少数の艦艇やMS隊がよく連邦の猛攻をささえて逆撃いれてたりもする。なんだかんだいってジオン側のベテラン兵は機体の性能差も数も覆して連邦側を圧倒していたことが伺える
オリジン読んでないから推測で話しちゃうけど、許してください。
連邦にMSないのはわかりきってたんだから、日本の真珠湾攻撃の時みたいに対艦攻撃を小隊規模、艦隊規模問わず死ぬほどやったんじゃないのかな？連邦にシミュレータあるぐらいだからジオンにもあるだろうし、訓練効率はもっと上がるから…
Not a single Zaku II was destroyed.
,Gudal ngasu,bertentuk ampau anderezs manual lopezs obredor
Federation Spaceships' Gun Crews are as bad as Stormtroopers when aiming even when Zakus are target rich environment.
thats cuz Minovsky Particle density was so thick that AI targeting became useless so now they either had to do It manually or let ai do the work but miss anyway. It was stated in the anime afterall.
かっこええなぁ～ザクⅡC型
ジムって設定じゃそんなに装甲弱くないはずなんだけどマシンガンでやられるのね。しかも頭撃ち抜かれて爆発ってありえないんだけど。当たったのエネルギー弾(ビーム)でしょ。何故？それにビームをよけるって無理なんですけど。
Average human disagreement
これみると無印１話で潜入任務とはいえなんでザクマシンガンだったのか？って思ってしまうよね、仕方ないけども
潜入任務だけども、主目的は新造戦艦と新型MSの偵察であって、戦闘やコロニーの破壊は想定してなかったんじゃないかと。
万一戦闘になっても、マシンガンならある程度破壊力を抑えられるからじゃない？
って言う後付け補完
こんなに圧倒的ならシャアや黒い三連星がエース扱いなのはおかしい。
誰でも戦艦落としてる。
いや、一般兵は戦艦を落とすのに複数機とムサイで何度も攻撃してる。
シャアや三連星は単独で撃沈破してるから、その辺はちゃんと描き分けられてる。
@@scarlet_squadron 後付なんですよ。映像の迫力を出したいから動き回しているけどファーストのザクの動きを見るとこんなに機動力で勝負していないし、このころは皆新兵のはずなのでまだまだ戦法も未熟なはず。
中の人はマツナガやガトーやライデン級の人ばかりなのか？
@@あんぎらす-n2k
ここで指摘したのは「誰でも戦艦を墜としてる」という部分なので、初代の描写と比較されても困るんですけど...
オリジンのザクの機動は直線的なものが多く(雷撃機のイメージ？)、それほどおかしいとは思いません。イグルーレベルなら分かります。
最初期は育成に力を入れた連中が揃ってる筈なので、技量の水準は寧ろ上の可能性もありますよね。
@@scarlet_squadron ジオンがモビルスーツの開発投入で戦局を有利にしたのは事実としてもザク強すぎな映像だと思います。ジオンのプロパカンタ映像級ですよ。ジオンに兵無しは誇大広告ではなく実際にジオン側も苦労していたのだと思うのですけどね。その技量の優れたパイロットはどこのに消えたのでしょうか？富野監督ならそういう画面に出ない事も考慮して映像を作るだろうと思います。
考察が足りない後付け映像だと感じました。
@@あんぎらす-n2k
これでプロパガンダなら殆どの作品がそうなると思いますよ。
オリジンは
①陽動による連邦艦隊の分断
②ドズル艦隊の奇襲
③MS隊の奇襲
④ドズル艦隊とMS隊の連携攻撃
で漸く勝っており、他作品のルウム戦役よりザクの強さは控えめに描かれています。
パイロットについては、
⚪︎9ヶ月も経てば人材も消耗する
⚪︎有視界戦闘に連邦が慣れてない
⚪︎対艦戦と対MS戦では全く違う
ということが想像できます。(想像するしかないので結構不毛な議論になりますが...)
あと、オリジンはパラレル時空の話なので後付けというには割と微妙な立ち位置です。
いつも思うんやがレーダー使えないだけなら攻撃機も十分使えると思うんだけどなんでMSがそんなに宇宙船に対して圧倒できるのかわからん・・、連邦も攻撃機で反撃すればよかったのに（そもそも空母あるか知らんけど）。そもそもザクマシンガンって今でいう戦車砲の口径なのにあの連射速度で戦闘撃墜できたのは相当搭乗員がアポだと思う。アニメとして見せるから仕方ないとはいえ片方の軍事力の技術を必要以上にナーフするのはどうかと思う。
ザクが１列に並んでバズーカ撃つシーンとか攻撃機とかでよくね？って思ってしまいますよね
空気無いから爆発物全部ゼロ距離で飛んでくる威力持ってるから敵も味方も攻撃禁止を徹底しようｗ
実際の宇宙だと恐ろしすぎて出来ない
空想科学読本で実際に宇宙で戦闘になったら互いにすれ違いざまに後ろに攻撃して全力で逃げるという情けないことになると書いてあったなあw
,bupati,semua Jagotabeacrkzs
アルカディア号ならザクの攻撃は受けつけない
Man, warships in gundam are pretty weak and pathetic
The funny thing is that things are shifting away from aircraft after a fashion. Missiles are becoming too effective, practical weaponized lasers are beginning to be deployed, and sensors are getting so good that you either have to have stealth out the wazoo or accept massive casualties.
I can’t stand the 3D animation 😭
Why can't you just sit on it? 😀
It looks fine