Again, I've obtained a DO. I did my residency at the number 1 hospital in America. I interviewed at multiple top 10 residencies in my specialty. There were no IMGs on the trail or in the residency I graduated from. My credentials have never been questioned. I am an Anesthesiologist.
@@U-Singh if you watched his video and examples given, you'd clearly understand my point. Furthermore, my being an Anesthesiologist may not turn heads, but my wallet is fine 😀. I'm not here to argue, I said what I said.
That is a silly point. It doesn't matter whether you are a DO or MD after you match. No one actually gives a shit once you are in residency/practicing. That is honestly some premed-type bullshit. Getting to match is where the concern is here. This convo about what MD vs DO means in practice is simply a means of avoiding the actual topic. The merger is absolutely not going to reduce the bias against img applicants. PDs aren't going to magically stop ignoring them.
congrats for kicking ass Bobby...no taking that away from anyone. Again, I think a lot of people take this video the wrong way like i'm saying DOs are bad, I'm not at all.
I am a DO class of 1994. I am a pediatric anesthesiologist double boarded in pediatric anesthesiology and anesthesiology. I am fellowship trained at CHOP. I am director of pediatric anesthesiology at my NJ hospital. The Chief of Anesthesiology at my hospital is a DO. By the way, the Chief of Emergency Medicine is also a DO. The Chief Of Oncology was also a DO. My hospital is predominantly MD based by the way. What did you say again about a DO never being able to attain a pediatric neuro anesthesiology fellowship? I was also accepted at every anesthesia position I applied for. That was back in 1998. I have been there and done that so I know exactly what I am talking about. I have nothing against IMGs and would never say anything condescending. There is no need for that. I am one of the most requested anesthesiologists for both adult and pediatric cases. Do I have any regrets? No. .
the issue is that your view is dated... 15 yrs ago DO was less respected and IMG had better odds... now they have merged DO and MD residencies and the IMGs are being phased out. You realize for every program director in the MD world that only takes MD there is a program director at a former DO residency that is now ACGME only taking DOs. Your info is plain wrong, DO>IMG these days! your information is outdated here, sorry bud! plus what are you talkin about, people match ortho from DO schools all the time! you are literally making stuff up!
I’m a St. George’s grad. I recently finished my residency in general surgery. I just got a great job as an attending general surgeon where I wanted to be (not in the middle of nowhere). Like you said, you have to work hard to make your dream a reality. I worked my ass off to get where I am. I scored 260+ on my steps, developed vitamin D deficiency during my 2 years on the island because I did nothing but study (true story). I’m much happier having MD at the end of my name rather than DO. I don’t regret the decision. It’s like you said… you need to work hard. The shit that made me end up in my initial predicament where I was denied entrance into an allopathic school… I cut the shit, stopped fucking around, buckled down and studied my ass off. And now I’m living my dream. Agree with your video.
I’m a DO ophthalmologist and am the surgical director of an ACGME program and we do not look at any FMG applications. I dare you to try and find ONE FMG ophthalmologist. Out of my DO ophtho friends, one is a pediatric neuro ophthalmologist who did her fellowship and still works at UCLA. My best friend from mad school is an interventional pain anesthesiologist. Another one of my good friends is an interventional neuro-radiologist. What exactly is so special about a pediatric neuro anesthesiologists. Both are easy fellowships to get after residency, The only conscious choice they made was to do more training once they finished residency. My co-resident is a neuro-ophthalmologist and orbital surgeon who did his fellowship at Wills Eye and is an attending there now. The DO world might have been much different when you graduated. Oh and I did two years of fellowship in cornea refractive surgery and anterior segment reconstruction. Out of the 6 ophthos that take call at my hospital, the two of us that are DO’s are by far the most advanced eye surgeons in the group
Kyle Linsey I’m not ripping DOs. Never have. Just stating my opinion based on my very extensive experience in our system. I’ve actually said multiple times that DOs are good doctors and there is an unsubstantiated stigma against them.
Dr Kyle , some people are blinded as is buck Parker, one quick look shows that DO’s match competitive specialties far far more than IMG’s from the Caribbean
Lol I have worked many DO’s on rotations not once have they had to explain their degree, not ONCE, this is point is nothing but a ploy by carribean schools to lure in poor pre-Meds
Hey Dr Buck. I'm kinda disappointed you didn't respond to my post. I hate to admit it but I enjoy reading your blog. This is my take. You applied to go to a us md program and didn't get accepted. You went to the Caribbean school, came back, became a board certified surgeon. Only proves one thing....the us md schools obviously past up getting a great candidate. You proved them dead ass wrong. Personally, I'd be pretty damn proud of that. I'd put m.d. IMG on my name tag. But that's me. Take care brother.
This might have been true in the 1990s but not true today. Being a Carib MD in 2020 generally limits you to IM/FM and at random hospitals that need bodies. DO has a stigma but I"d rather have the stigma and better options for residency match. ATSU/PCOM/MSUCOM/DMUCOM/LECOM/TCOM all have excellent matching capabilities
There is absolutely no stigma about “DO” lol no patient knows your a DO or Md. there is a much much bigger stigma against CARIB IMG though, just do a quick search for any specialty and you will see far more DO then Img, there are DO’s matching ag traditional ortho and ent, urology programs etc now in fairly large numbers, that rarely happens from any Carib school. George Washington ortho took a DO this past year and so did Michigan CT surgery, Mayo anesthesia, NYU ortho, the list goes on, I can 100% guarantee that none of those programs have even looked at a Carib application let alone interview them… that’s real STIGMA
I disagree .l've been a D.O. specialist for 25 years. It's simple.... Do not choose Carribe over DO. ...Questions?? Edit: It's really ignorant to say a DO couldn't become a Pediatric Neuro- Anesthesiologist. I could spend a day listing DOs that are pediatric heart surgeons, Neuro spine surgeons, Interventional Radiologists etc......
Thank you for an honest perspective. I looked at the NPRM data for IMG vs DO and IMG matches more into Neurosurgery, Orthopedic surgery, and Plastic Surgery for the last four years. SGU, Ross, AUC, Saba are all fine schools. Most people don’t want the more specialized surgical fields. Do what you enjoy and in the end you’re still a doctor. The debate is stupid and ignores international practice rights which may matter to students. Everyone is different and we all want different things from our careers and lives.
On the seats there is an "S" and this is the high performance version of Audi cars, Porsche has their logo embedded on the headrest. Also, this is a four door car and the only porshe with 4 doors is the panamera and this is way too small to be a panamera.
It is not an S line... That would imply that it is Audi A3/4/5/6/7/8 with the performance pack. It has Recaro seats with a big S. This is an Audi S3. I am a huge Audi nerd. :)
This man is the best surgeon in Ut. He is one surgeon that has a great bedside manor. In my case he took over when a different surgeon messed up. I love Dr Parker. He is about the only person that help me make it through 6 month of in and out of the hospital. He has had job in many of the best hospitals in the united states.
My guess is I'm probably the only academic dean who is responding. If your dream is to go to medical school, DO or MD, go - move across the world to go - move to Mars to go. Just go. Now, Buck is right... it's kind of like the poor billionaires club. Yep that is right. There is a hierarchy in the billionaires club. Oprah is poor. Those worth less than 3 billion are poor, compared to those worth 10 billion or more - and they are looked down upon. Buck is talking about the exact same thing. The education world is the same way. Colleges matter. Going to reputable programs matter. Ivy League will always get hired over state colleges on every job on the planet. It's flat wrong - but it exists. Example: Mark Zuckerberg dropped out of where? Bill Gates dropped out of where? You already know the answer - Harvard. Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft dropped out of where? Guaranteed you have no idea - Washington State University. Who gives a rats ass about WSU. All that to say, academia discriminates. But still - don't ever let it foil your dream. I did my doctorate at the University of Hawaii - go there... studying on Waikiki??? Oh hell ya...
Why tf are all you key board warriors sitting behind your computers arguing with him he said it’s his OPINION if you don’t agree than watch a different video. I just honestly can’t understand how people want to sit there and fight with someone who is trying to help out others.
My mom is a physician recruiter and will rarely interview Caribbean IMGs. She PREFERS DOs. DOs are nicer, more compassionate, have much better bedside manner, and typically don't have their heads stuck up their own asses. I have met tons of DOs and have only met one who regretted his decision. He wanted to be able to practice anywhere in the world, and right now he can't. That was the only thing he didn't like. A lot of DOs are career changers with a ton more life experience. Those schools accept more career changers because of that experience.
@Roy_Thousand Right. It looks different, but when you are a director at a hospital who recruits physicians for 30 years and sees the difference DOs and MDs make in a hospital, there is a distinct difference in their bedside manner but no difference in their level of care. It doesn't matter what it says behind the name as long as they do the job well. She works with two medical schools directly. A DO school and an MD school. The graduates of each are very different. He DO grads are happier, more like family, and nicer. The MDs are more serious, academic, and impersonal. There is a place for both, but it is obvious that each have their strengths and weaknesses. Actually to be honest, as long as the person interviews well and comes from a good residency the two letters behind the name aren't important.
Thanks for clarifying! Though I think a DO school with a rep like MSUCOM in a DO friendly part of America (like Michigan) > any Carib school. I mean I could be wrong but the DO rep in the Midwest is improving and awareness of the degree is spreading. Still great video as always- by the way when will "Choosing A Surgery Specialty Based On Your Personality part 3" come out?
I doubt he has any problem with any DOs on a personal level. He is just giving his anecdotal perspective on being an MD vs DO long term. You can definitely have similar levels of success either way
Dr Buck in all honesty in this day and age no Dr should think he/she is better than the other based on his/her credentials. MD isnt > than DO. Theres just way more MD schools than DO schools out there. Also, as you may know DOs are trained to look at the patient as a whole and normally DOs have better bedside training which means that the majority of them apply for Internal Med/Primary care. No I'm not a DO or MD yet. Im an undergrad looking to apply for one of these programs. At first I believed that MD was the only good program. I realized that was wrong when I started my undergrad at a school with a great DO program. At the end of the day both Drs are here to help the public not bash one another.
I don't know if you read my opinion on you going to a Caribbean school. So now you're a successful board certified surgeon. Obviously some us md school passed over an excellent opportunity to have you graduate from their school. Its their loss...not yours.. The fact you didn't accept their opinion, says volumes about your class and character. If fact, knowing this I'd refer every surgery patient in both my practices to you. DR Buck...you are a super hero and don't know it. Peace my brother.
Most places will take mostly US MDs, some to a lot of DOs, and a few IMGs. Most places who place emphasis on degree will favor US MDs, take a lot of IMGs and a few if any DOs. It’s just program based. Competitive specialties have shifted in the past 10 years though to be a lot more open to the DO degree. Overall for most programs and specialties competitive or not in 2019 it’s better to be a DO than an IMG on most accounts.
I have a few thoughts about this video. I do agree with much of what has been said but of course there is a lot left out. First, don't think for a minute Caribbean MD will ever be equal to US MD. Which is why a discussion about Caribbean MD vs US DO is ridiculous. If anything, Caribbean MDs and DOs are placed into a similar category when it comes to bias, although DOs fare better overall. Yes, there are a few schools that take Carib grads over DOs. But, Harvard IM still hates both of us lol! That ain't gonna change. As far as outcomes. I have met many more Carib MDs who have failed to match after multiple YEARS post graduation than I have DOs. I took a look at Ross' 2018 match list. Not one neuro or ortho surg match. My new DO school had multiple neuro and ortho surg matches in the first class. Yes, that's right. The first class. I expect that to improve over the years. When it comes to who harbors the most resentment, I have met as many Carib MDs who harbor resentment as I have DOs. I do think that Carib grads are better at hiding their background/credentials however. So, that MD might be somewhat beneficial. But, as evidenced by this video and the comments below, the chip is still there from all sides. I do think that Caribbean schools are able to recruit a lot of quality Canadian students who were not able to compete for the 10 seats that they have in Canada, and not many DO schools are open to Canadians. If that were to change, I think it would improve DO board scores and match rates. And, lastly, I agree with all said about SDN!
Dr. Parker, do you realize the number of residencies willing to accept Caribbean students period is relatively small? DO can train pretty much anywhere with the small exception of exceptionally small and competitive residencies like CT integrated. I've met a number of program directors, none would ever say go to a Caribbean school, some even would say no as a last resort.
Appreciate the followup video (Again, am DO student, hopeful future pediatrician). I’d still argue my point of state MD>DO>Caribbean. Merger has already been happening for the past 3 years. By 2020, ALL programs will have to be switched over, most already are. I don’t think either transitioned program type will immediately accept the other degree in full equivalence but that will fade with time. The super competitive programs are the ones who want research done. You get amazing research, amazing board scores, and they will not care where you came from. In the future it’s going to be more like DMD/DDS. Besides the future will probably be people explaining what a DNP is. Oh wait that’s happening right now. Anyway, still like you more than Dr. Mike #DOsforDrBuck
@@bruceylee8670 That's why I said 'In the future'. And you clearly aren't a med student if you talk about United States medical schools with 'prestige'. It's the same standard bullshit education everywhere you go. Some places offer better letters of rec and research opportunities that can enable you to apply for more competitive residencies. That's what makes a place 'prestigious'. DO schools have long underfunded research but that doesn't mean it won't change. Higher chance of changing vs a carribean program thats for sure
Also if you can't get interviews at US MD schools, you're likely not qualified for a US DO school either! I speak from experience, parent is MD surgeon from top 10 school, sibling at a very competitive DO school, other sibling at SGU.
My first interview at md medical school went like this. The first doctor to ask me questions was this thoracic surgeon. She spent about 30 minutes busting my balls because I was a pharmacist applying to medical school. She started telling me I couldn't make up my mind what I wanted to do and someone didn't get to be a pharmacist because I took up a seat they could have had and on and on. After about 30minutes of raking my ass over the coals, I got up and walked out.
Are they allowed to do that during the interview? Grill the interviewees? I’ve heard the interviews being hard but as long as you explain your motivation for medicine and prove her wrong then it shouldn’t be a problem. Kill them with kindness as they say!! :^)
I understand where you're coming from Dr. Parker. I'm an SGU student and our students match at really good residencies across the board. I looked at where D.O.s from my nearest D.O. school matched and a lot of them ended up filling up spots at the residency sites people use as backups. Thanks for the motivation and for shouting out St. Georges.
My takeaway was that if you do everything right you get your specialty... well that goes both ways. You're allowed to have an opinion, no one can take that away, but if your opinion is derived from a faulty look at data then your opinion is wrong too. Also, you mentioned you might be biased like we are biased because we're applying to md/do schools but saying caribbean sucks is not pushed back upon by anybody other than caribbean students.
Dear Dr. Parker. Thank you very much for clarification. I am starting in Ross University January 2019. And My main goal is crush the STEP 1 AND 2. I will work my ass off but any tips would be great from you!
So for anyone who gives a shit about becoming a resident you should be aware: www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/NRMP-2018-Program-Director-Survey-for-WWW.pdf No, you are far more likely to be ranked if you go to a DO school when compared to an MD-Carib school. Period. Dr. Buck's "experience" doesn't matter. The data refutes his thought. I have experienced it. I'm a US-MD who matched into residency. Now, that isn't to say that MD-Caribs cannot match. Absolutely not. With sufficiently high board scores it's absolutely possible. And I have nothing but love for the many excellent MD-Carib grads that I have met. But I think Dr. Buck is letting his bias (as he is a Carib grad himself) inform his conclusions here. Does going to a MD school make you inherently better than a DO? No. And vice versa. Every doctor will practice differently and where you went to school means fuck all when it comes to delivering quality care. But if you are trying to give advice (very expensive advice), I strongly believe you should shut the fuck up if you don't know what you are talking about, Buck.
Hey Dr Buck, what do you know about docs with the MBBS degrees awarded in England, practicing in the US? As far as I know, an MBBS and an MD are equivalent degrees as long as you pass the Steps. Thanks in advance, you're the man!
MBBS and MD are both obtained from allopathic medical schools. Therefore, MBBS is abbreviated as MD as people aren't familiar with what MBBS are in the US.
Hey Buck....Dr Steve d.o. here. If this md vs do thing doesn't bother me, I'm sure your wondering what does bother me. The brakes on my new Bentley GT convertible are making a strange noise. Until I can get it to the dealership in Atlanta ( a pain in the ass) I have to drive my Ferrari 488 every day. You're still welcome to come on down. Peace my brother.
I think something he's forgetting to put an emphasis on is the specialty someone wants to get into. If you think you want to become a cardiothoracic surgeon, or a pediatric neuro anesthesiologist, MAYBE IMG is better than DO (most people have no idea what specialty they want to go into until 3rd-4th year of medical school, let alone before medical school). But if you want to go into internal medicine and then do a fellowship and become something like an interventional cardiologist or an oncologist, US DO schools are a much better option in my opinion, because you can easily get into an internal medicine residency from a DO school. And one more thing I disagreed with from the previous video is where Dr. Parker said nobody goes into DO because they want to. I personally know people who got into US MD schools but decided to go to a DO school because they felt like those schools aligned better with their personal beliefs.
The other md medical school was a new school at Mercer university. I went to pharmacy school at Mercer. I was married and married a 2 year old daughter. I had resigned my job and ready for go. Then I got this call from the school and the accreditation office from my AMA had done their deal and the school didn't meet all the requirements . The lady told me not a good but the school would be delayed by one year. Holy shit....it was a BIG PROBLEM for me. No job and a wife is child to take care of. I call my advisor at Mercer pharmacy school and he told me about a reciprocity program between Georgia and West virginia. I applied and got accepted at WVSOM. I chose it out....excellent school. When I got my packet from the school, I was going to pay in state tuition. Check this out....in state tuition was 600.00 dollars per year. I went to medical school in the USA....all 4 years tuition was 2400.00 dollars.
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I'm in podiatry school and I'm loving it so far I get to live at home and save a ton of money and don't have to deal with the headache or stress of all this BS. Dental is also a good option
Lol bruh stop lying to people. "Placement" is not the same as matching. 93% of st George or whatever placed into a residency, likely not one they wanted, even more likely some shitty FM residency out in the boonies. What's their MATCH rate, not placement? DOs have a massively higher match rate, AND placement rate. Caribs placement is 93%. DOs average 99.5%.
I leave for a carabbean school, I matriculate May 2019. I already know it's going to suck. But I kinda like when things are miserable, because I know other people are suffering too. And that makes me happy.
@@drbuckparker St. Vincent and the Grenadines. Machete wielding island people. Trinity School of Medicine. CAAM-HP accredited, and approved by the VA. That's all I need. Haha
Hi Dr. Parker I am graduating high school next year and I was wondering if it mattered if I started at a community college and got my pre req’s there then transfer to a university a lot of people say that It looks bad on you. But I’m not in the position to go to a university right out of high school thank you
Luke willis Community college is fine. Big time university probably is better but a 3.0 gpa from an Ivy League won’t cut it but a 3.9 gpa from podunk U. will open doors.
What about the horror stories of students getting through boards without a residency program to take them. Begging for spots in family medicine Arkansas 10 years after they graduated..
M.D.~ DO. IMG = M.D. Successful Orthopedic surgeon here, IMG, U.S. Citizen, M.D. The competitive specialties are competitive for both MD’s and DO’s, however, I can promise you that an IMG with a 240 on the USMLE step 1 will have the same opportunities as any candidate M.D. graduating from a school in the U.S.. DO’s snag competitive specialties, sure, but so do IMG’s. The bottom line is this, it is easier to get acceptance to DO programs and Caribbean programs because of the scores and GPA’s that are deemed acceptable. Of course, you will get a hell of a lot more people getting weeded out of the Caribbean programs because they should not have been there in the first place! Same for the DO’s, many could not cut it and didn’t make it into an M.D. program, so guess what? They will not be obtaining those competitive residencies. There aren’t that many DO schools and to get a Neuro or an Ortho residency, better make sure you are top 5 in your class. Good luck to all.
What are you smoking? Less than 5 people matched ortho coming out of ALL Carib schools combined the last couple of years. 112 DO’s matched ortho just last year. Lol a 240 Carib step 1 can’t even match anesthesia or OB much less ortho…
Another reason program directors dislike FMGs and IMGs. They don't want to spend tax payer money that paid for those spots on people who didn't even earn their education in the US and might leave the second they're done
I love the fact that you don’t make this videos to please anyone but to give good advice and real point of views. Facts don’t care about feelings people. 🔥🔥🔥
Hi Doctor Parker! I was wondering if you could please make a video on how to deal with patient death OR maybe the first time you felt emotional about a patient and how to deal with it? Thank you so much, love your content!
I love how you're so real! we need more people like you! I hate when someone that doesn't know anything gives you advice and tells you to listen to them! loved the fat guy and abs example!
Thanks for doing this for only $600 a month! I am finally on my way to becoming a surgeon because of you! I’ll write you a check when I’m ballin’ because I finally made it. #checkyourmailin13years 😂
Just to follow up with some hard numbers, take a look at this year's PD survey: www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/NRMP-2018-Program-Director-Survey-for-WWW.pdf For all specialties, program directors "often" ranked osteopathic applicants 57% of the time, while ranking US IMGs 32% of the time: i.imgur.com/BLYht6F.png For a competitive specialty like ortho, osteopathic applicants are still "often" ranked 3x as much as US IMGs: i.imgur.com/m4RVKx0.png .
LOL I don't even know what the hell that means... "frequency of interviewing" then "often, seldom, never"....that is about the furthest thing from a scientific study I've ever seen. Do you know how much variation could be in that? Any bias that could be in that very SUBJECTIVE survey? This is what i'm talking about....you gotta do research first to understand how research should be read. This "survey" is nearly worthless. IF I were to take it serious, then I would point out there is nothing in the "All Specialties Percentage of Programs Citing Each Factor And Mean Importance Rating¹ for Each Factor in Ranking Applicants" that says being a DO or IMG is a factor in their decision making. LOL. It's a joke.
Hello Dr, Will going to an international undergraduate school or us community colleges lower my chances of getting accepted into a top tier carribean medical schools? Tell me what you think. Thanks
What it seems most people here are upset with is the underlying selection bias for matriculation at IMG-MD vs DO schools that was not addressed. Although DO schools classically select for stronger candidates, the reasons for which are irrelevant, a given candidate with 3.65 GPA and 30mcat would likely have better future opportunities going to an IMG-MD school based on their preexisting competency. The problem is that a vast majority of IMG-MD students lack this competency. Additionally, there's a slight loophole in the system in that the most competitive DO students have a relatively easier time matching the most competitive specialities (in the DO world) because these positions are not sought by UD-MD candidates. Compare this to the sheer volume of competition to match ortho at an MD program as an allopath. Just the two cents of a lowly DO who doesn't feel like taking your allopathic spot.
Jonathan I would agree with you here. You are correct, a large amount of IMGs are not competent. Which is what I have said before, which accounts for the "lower" match rate. But if you compare the matched DO-IMG in, say competency, I do believe the IMG has the upper hand. And congrats on getting in and becoming a doctor no matter where you are studying:)
@@drbuckparker Comparing matched DO in the osteopathic world to matched MD-IMG in the allopathic world is comparing apples to oranges; there are way too many confounding variables. A better comparison would be DO vs IMG-MD in matching allopathic residencies (or fellowships), or the previous comparison we mentioned above. In the former, future opportunities, competency, prestige would all be equivalent. It really comes down to vanity and egotism in having the MD after your name. The question applicants should ask themselves is, "Is it worth spending two years in another country away from family, friends, etc for two letters, or do I trust myself to outwork enough students across the spectrum to match where I want?" Success really comes down to intelligence, motivation/work ethic, and the ability to connect and communicate with peers.
Great video! I am a pre-med looking at Caribbean schools, and it’s encouraging to know that hard work and perseverance can pay off. I pray I can continue to give it my all as I am doing for years to come and one day become an A rated doctor.
Just some advice. If that hard work and perseverance didn't get you into a US MD school, it's not gonna get you into a US residency and an IMG. I'm laying this on you now bc I don't wanna see you in four years with 350+k in debt bagging my groceries at walrmart
Dr. Buck tells it straight like it is!!! Which is what Pre Meds need to hear!! Great video. Strive to be an A+ person and an A+ doctor who commands respect!
Again, I've obtained a DO. I did my residency at the number 1 hospital in America. I interviewed at multiple top 10 residencies in my specialty. There were no IMGs on the trail or in the residency I graduated from. My credentials have never been questioned. I am an Anesthesiologist.
This guy is delusional. The bias against img applicants is very, very real.
@@U-Singh if you watched his video and examples given, you'd clearly understand my point. Furthermore, my being an Anesthesiologist may not turn heads, but my wallet is fine 😀.
I'm not here to argue, I said what I said.
That is a silly point. It doesn't matter whether you are a DO or MD after you match. No one actually gives a shit once you are in residency/practicing. That is honestly some premed-type bullshit. Getting to match is where the concern is here. This convo about what MD vs DO means in practice is simply a means of avoiding the actual topic. The merger is absolutely not going to reduce the bias against img applicants. PDs aren't going to magically stop ignoring them.
ah someone who actually listened to what i said instead of hearing what they wanted to hear. thank u!
congrats for kicking ass Bobby...no taking that away from anyone. Again, I think a lot of people take this video the wrong way like i'm saying DOs are bad, I'm not at all.
The fact that you can get to a Caribbean school with a 486 on your MCAT
472 being the minimum saya a lot 🤷🏽♂️
Woww Doctor Mike COULD NEVER!!!!😂😂
This has me screaming! This is my favorite comment.
NDs never treat anyone with effective treatment sooooo they would essentially kill more people LOL
Lmaoooooooooooo
I am a DO class of 1994. I am a pediatric anesthesiologist double boarded in pediatric anesthesiology and anesthesiology. I am fellowship trained at CHOP. I am director of pediatric anesthesiology at my NJ hospital. The Chief of Anesthesiology at my hospital is a DO. By the way, the Chief of Emergency Medicine is also a DO. The Chief Of Oncology was also a DO. My hospital is predominantly MD based by the way. What did you say again about a DO never being able to attain a pediatric neuro anesthesiology fellowship? I was also accepted at every anesthesia position I applied for. That was back in 1998. I have been there and done that so I know exactly what I am talking about. I have nothing against IMGs and would never say anything condescending. There is no need for that. I am one of the most requested anesthesiologists for both adult and pediatric cases. Do I have any regrets? No. .
"with their pretty backdrop and colored pens" I DIED. Dr. Parker v. everybody forever
FOREVERRRRRRR LOL
the issue is that your view is dated... 15 yrs ago DO was less respected and IMG had better odds... now they have merged DO and MD residencies and the IMGs are being phased out. You realize for every program director in the MD world that only takes MD there is a program director at a former DO residency that is now ACGME only taking DOs. Your info is plain wrong, DO>IMG these days! your information is outdated here, sorry bud! plus what are you talkin about, people match ortho from DO schools all the time! you are literally making stuff up!
My guy came out swinging like Eminem on Kamikaze album
I’m a St. George’s grad. I recently finished my residency in general surgery. I just got a great job as an attending general surgeon where I wanted to be (not in the middle of nowhere). Like you said, you have to work hard to make your dream a reality. I worked my ass off to get where I am. I scored 260+ on my steps, developed vitamin D deficiency during my 2 years on the island because I did nothing but study (true story). I’m much happier having MD at the end of my name rather than DO. I don’t regret the decision. It’s like you said… you need to work hard. The shit that made me end up in my initial predicament where I was denied entrance into an allopathic school… I cut the shit, stopped fucking around, buckled down and studied my ass off. And now I’m living my dream. Agree with your video.
I’m a DO ophthalmologist and am the surgical director of an ACGME program and we do not look at any FMG applications. I dare you to try and find ONE FMG ophthalmologist. Out of my DO ophtho friends, one is a pediatric neuro ophthalmologist who did her fellowship and still works at UCLA. My best friend from mad school is an interventional pain anesthesiologist. Another one of my good friends is an interventional neuro-radiologist. What exactly is so special about a pediatric neuro anesthesiologists. Both are easy fellowships to get after residency, The only conscious choice they made was to do more training once they finished residency. My co-resident is a neuro-ophthalmologist and orbital surgeon who did his fellowship at Wills Eye and is an attending there now. The DO world might have been much different when you graduated. Oh and I did two years of fellowship in cornea refractive surgery and anterior segment reconstruction. Out of the 6 ophthos that take call at my hospital, the two of us that are DO’s are by far the most advanced eye surgeons in the group
congrats on your success. sounds like you don't judge people on their merits which is unfortunate. did they teach you that in prep school?
you are the one ripping on DO’s. Did they teach you that in the islands when you couldn’t get into a real medical school
Kyle Linsey I’m not ripping DOs. Never have. Just stating my opinion based on my very extensive experience in our system. I’ve actually said multiple times that DOs are good doctors and there is an unsubstantiated stigma against them.
Dr Kyle , some people are blinded as is buck Parker, one quick look shows that DO’s match competitive specialties far far more than IMG’s from the Caribbean
Mann thank you for not trying to be politically correct
WELCOME!
Are you kidding me..... LMAO
mannn love the raw and brutal honesty!!
We gotta respect the fact that he’s honest and vocal about everyone’s opinion
Omf I love how blunt and honest he is. Keep it up Dr Parker
I'm a minority in the US. I'm use to people asking what I am. So going the DO route and explaining what it is wouldn't be anything new to me.
Lol I have worked many DO’s on rotations not once have they had to explain their degree, not ONCE, this is point is nothing but a ploy by carribean schools to lure in poor pre-Meds
All these kids in the comments need to get into a med school first before they debate whether a USMD, DO, of IMG is better or not lol
Hey Dr Buck. I'm kinda disappointed you didn't respond to my post. I hate to admit it but I enjoy reading your blog. This is my take. You applied to go to a us md program and didn't get accepted. You went to the Caribbean school, came back, became a board certified surgeon. Only proves one thing....the us md schools obviously past up getting a great candidate. You proved them dead ass wrong. Personally, I'd be pretty damn proud of that. I'd put m.d. IMG on my name tag. But that's me. Take care brother.
steve! just reading through all these now. thank you so much for your comments!
This might have been true in the 1990s but not true today. Being a Carib MD in 2020 generally limits you to IM/FM and at random hospitals that need bodies. DO has a stigma but I"d rather have the stigma and better options for residency match. ATSU/PCOM/MSUCOM/DMUCOM/LECOM/TCOM all have excellent matching capabilities
There is absolutely no stigma about “DO” lol no patient knows your a DO or Md. there is a much much bigger stigma against CARIB IMG though, just do a quick search for any specialty and you will see far more DO then Img, there are DO’s matching ag traditional ortho and ent, urology programs etc now in fairly large numbers, that rarely happens from any Carib school. George Washington ortho took a DO this past year and so did Michigan CT surgery, Mayo anesthesia, NYU ortho, the list goes on, I can 100% guarantee that none of those programs have even looked at a Carib application let alone interview them… that’s real STIGMA
I disagree .l've been a D.O. specialist for 25 years. It's simple.... Do not choose Carribe over DO. ...Questions??
Edit: It's really ignorant to say a DO couldn't become a Pediatric Neuro- Anesthesiologist. I could spend a day listing DOs that are pediatric heart surgeons, Neuro spine surgeons, Interventional Radiologists etc......
The real question is how many compared to MD ?
@@aliabdullah9964 less than American MDs but a lot more than IMGs, which is why DO is a better option than img
Thank you for an honest perspective. I looked at the NPRM data for IMG vs DO and IMG matches more into Neurosurgery, Orthopedic surgery, and Plastic Surgery for the last four years. SGU, Ross, AUC, Saba are all fine schools. Most people don’t want the more specialized surgical fields. Do what you enjoy and in the end you’re still a doctor. The debate is stupid and ignores international practice rights which may matter to students. Everyone is different and we all want different things from our careers and lives.
yessssssss
I am a second year DO student and loved this video, it was hilarious! Keep it up and drive the shit out of that porsche!
hahaha props man. thank u and I WILLLL
its an audi s line lol
Mondo Music he has a porsche ....
On the seats there is an "S" and this is the high performance version of Audi cars, Porsche has their logo embedded on the headrest. Also, this is a four door car and the only porshe with 4 doors is the panamera and this is way too small to be a panamera.
It is not an S line... That would imply that it is Audi A3/4/5/6/7/8 with the performance pack. It has Recaro seats with a big S. This is an Audi S3. I am a huge Audi nerd. :)
Lol I would never go to the Caribbean, especially with Step going pass/fail. Caribbean med schools are finished.
what is it with you and this song
lol dude my editors pick the songs! haha
I thought the same shit. Ha ha
I respect that you talk from experience and stick to your opinion.
from 15 years ago.....
This man is the best surgeon in Ut. He is one surgeon that has a great bedside manor. In my case he took over when a different surgeon messed up. I love Dr Parker. He is about the only person that help me make it through 6 month of in and out of the hospital. He has had job in many of the best hospitals in the united states.
Haters gonna hate Doc. You are the Man and you are living the dream. Don’t let the keyboard warrior princesses get to you.
My guess is I'm probably the only academic dean who is responding. If your dream is to go to medical school, DO or MD, go - move across the world to go - move to Mars to go. Just go. Now, Buck is right... it's kind of like the poor billionaires club. Yep that is right. There is a hierarchy in the billionaires club. Oprah is poor. Those worth less than 3 billion are poor, compared to those worth 10 billion or more - and they are looked down upon. Buck is talking about the exact same thing. The education world is the same way. Colleges matter. Going to reputable programs matter. Ivy League will always get hired over state colleges on every job on the planet. It's flat wrong - but it exists. Example: Mark Zuckerberg dropped out of where? Bill Gates dropped out of where? You already know the answer - Harvard. Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft dropped out of where? Guaranteed you have no idea - Washington State University. Who gives a rats ass about WSU. All that to say, academia discriminates. But still - don't ever let it foil your dream. I did my doctorate at the University of Hawaii - go there... studying on Waikiki??? Oh hell ya...
YESSSSSSSSSS. Thank you Jeff!!!
Buck Parker, M.D. Ha thanks doc... I just saw that you had replied.
This man came out the gate swinging on some fools, he's done with y'alls BS
yesssss you bet
Marcel _4321 GTFO of this comment thread
He just sounds desperate and defensive. His argument is garbage.
Typical response of a medical graduate from the caribbean
Yess, lol, ok, alright
There is not an actual coherent response in any of his comments
Always a breath of fresh air to see someone that’s real!
- Friendly Pathologist
MD > DO >>>>>>>>>> Caribbean “MD”
This is reality. Now we can all get the fuck over it.
Why tf are all you key board warriors sitting behind your computers arguing with him he said it’s his OPINION if you don’t agree than watch a different video. I just honestly can’t understand how people want to sit there and fight with someone who is trying to help out others.
lol me toooooo
You’re the man Dr.Buck!
My mom is a physician recruiter and will rarely interview Caribbean IMGs. She PREFERS DOs. DOs are nicer, more compassionate, have much better bedside manner, and typically don't have their heads stuck up their own asses. I have met tons of DOs and have only met one who regretted his decision. He wanted to be able to practice anywhere in the world, and right now he can't. That was the only thing he didn't like. A lot of DOs are career changers with a ton more life experience. Those schools accept more career changers because of that experience.
@Roy_Thousand Right. It looks different, but when you are a director at a hospital who recruits physicians for 30 years and sees the difference DOs and MDs make in a hospital, there is a distinct difference in their bedside manner but no difference in their level of care. It doesn't matter what it says behind the name as long as they do the job well. She works with two medical schools directly. A DO school and an MD school. The graduates of each are very different. He DO grads are happier, more like family, and nicer. The MDs are more serious, academic, and impersonal. There is a place for both, but it is obvious that each have their strengths and weaknesses. Actually to be honest, as long as the person interviews well and comes from a good residency the two letters behind the name aren't important.
Thanks for clarifying! Though I think a DO school with a rep like MSUCOM in a DO friendly part of America (like Michigan) > any Carib school. I mean I could be wrong but the DO rep in the Midwest is improving and awareness of the degree is spreading. Still great video as always- by the way when will "Choosing A Surgery Specialty Based On Your Personality part 3" come out?
I agree. DO has a huge advantage over IMG for nearly guaranteed residency for rural primary care
I kinda want you to make a video about Dr Mike, sounds like you have lots to say lmao. But I know you won’t make one ☹️.
I doubt he has any problem with any DOs on a personal level. He is just giving his anecdotal perspective on being an MD vs DO long term. You can definitely have similar levels of success either way
Dr Buck in all honesty in this day and age no Dr should think he/she is better than the other based on his/her credentials. MD isnt > than DO. Theres just way more MD schools than DO schools out there. Also, as you may know DOs are trained to look at the patient as a whole and normally DOs have better bedside training which means that the majority of them apply for Internal Med/Primary care. No I'm not a DO or MD yet. Im an undergrad looking to apply for one of these programs. At first I believed that MD was the only good program. I realized that was wrong when I started my undergrad at a school with a great DO program. At the end of the day both Drs are here to help the public not bash one another.
I 100% agree!
I don't know if you read my opinion on you going to a Caribbean school. So now you're a successful board certified surgeon. Obviously some us md school passed over an excellent opportunity to have you graduate from their school. Its their loss...not yours.. The fact you didn't accept their opinion, says volumes about your class and character. If fact, knowing this I'd refer every surgery patient in both my practices to you. DR Buck...you are a super hero and don't know it. Peace my brother.
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“I say pricks in the most loving way” I actually know exactly what you mean by that haha its endearing
thank god someone got it!
Just get into a US MD school homies - kick ass from day one
Most places will take mostly US MDs, some to a lot of DOs, and a few IMGs. Most places who place emphasis on degree will favor US MDs, take a lot of IMGs and a few if any DOs. It’s just program based. Competitive specialties have shifted in the past 10 years though to be a lot more open to the DO degree. Overall for most programs and specialties competitive or not in 2019 it’s better to be a DO than an IMG on most accounts.
U the realest bro
I have a few thoughts about this video. I do agree with much of what has been said but of course there is a lot left out. First, don't think for a minute Caribbean MD will ever be equal to US MD. Which is why a discussion about Caribbean MD vs US DO is ridiculous. If anything, Caribbean MDs and DOs are placed into a similar category when it comes to bias, although DOs fare better overall. Yes, there are a few schools that take Carib grads over DOs. But, Harvard IM still hates both of us lol! That ain't gonna change. As far as outcomes. I have met many more Carib MDs who have failed to match after multiple YEARS post graduation than I have DOs. I took a look at Ross' 2018 match list. Not one neuro or ortho surg match. My new DO school had multiple neuro and ortho surg matches in the first class. Yes, that's right. The first class. I expect that to improve over the years. When it comes to who harbors the most resentment, I have met as many Carib MDs who harbor resentment as I have DOs. I do think that Carib grads are better at hiding their background/credentials however. So, that MD might be somewhat beneficial. But, as evidenced by this video and the comments below, the chip is still there from all sides. I do think that Caribbean schools are able to recruit a lot of quality Canadian students who were not able to compete for the 10 seats that they have in Canada, and not many DO schools are open to Canadians. If that were to change, I think it would improve DO board scores and match rates. And, lastly, I agree with all said about SDN!
Smash step one and none of this matters
EXACTLY
Dr. Parker, do you realize the number of residencies willing to accept Caribbean students period is relatively small? DO can train pretty much anywhere with the small exception of exceptionally small and competitive residencies like CT integrated. I've met a number of program directors, none would ever say go to a Caribbean school, some even would say no as a last resort.
Appreciate the followup video (Again, am DO student, hopeful future pediatrician). I’d still argue my point of state MD>DO>Caribbean. Merger has already been happening for the past 3 years. By 2020, ALL programs will have to be switched over, most already are. I don’t think either transitioned program type will immediately accept the other degree in full equivalence but that will fade with time. The super competitive programs are the ones who want research done. You get amazing research, amazing board scores, and they will not care where you came from. In the future it’s going to be more like DMD/DDS. Besides the future will probably be people explaining what a DNP is. Oh wait that’s happening right now. Anyway, still like you more than Dr. Mike #DOsforDrBuck
Not true cause no prestigious universities offer the DO degree. DMD = DDS because Harvard offers DMD and Columbia offers DDS
@@bruceylee8670 That's why I said 'In the future'. And you clearly aren't a med student if you talk about United States medical schools with 'prestige'. It's the same standard bullshit education everywhere you go. Some places offer better letters of rec and research opportunities that can enable you to apply for more competitive residencies. That's what makes a place 'prestigious'. DO schools have long underfunded research but that doesn't mean it won't change. Higher chance of changing vs a carribean program thats for sure
How do you feel/what's your opinion about Podiatric Surgeons?
Also if you can't get interviews at US MD schools, you're likely not qualified for a US DO school either! I speak from experience, parent is MD surgeon from top 10 school, sibling at a very competitive DO school, other sibling at SGU.
*_”WE’RE FUCKING SCIENTISTS HERE,RIGHT?!”- Buck Parker MD_*
BEST LINE EVER
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My first interview at md medical school went like this. The first doctor to ask me questions was this thoracic surgeon. She spent about 30 minutes busting my balls because I was a pharmacist applying to medical school. She started telling me I couldn't make up my mind what I wanted to do and someone didn't get to be a pharmacist because I took up a seat they could have had and on and on. After about 30minutes of raking my ass over the coals, I got up and walked out.
Are they allowed to do that during the interview? Grill the interviewees? I’ve heard the interviews being hard but as long as you explain your motivation for medicine and prove her wrong then it shouldn’t be a problem. Kill them with kindness as they say!! :^)
I understand where you're coming from Dr. Parker. I'm an SGU student and our students match at really good residencies across the board. I looked at where D.O.s from my nearest D.O. school matched and a lot of them ended up filling up spots at the residency sites people use as backups. Thanks for the motivation and for shouting out St. Georges.
hell yes
"They SHOULD fail your ass out!" Lmao
Love your stuff wish you'd update more
My takeaway was that if you do everything right you get your specialty... well that goes both ways. You're allowed to have an opinion, no one can take that away, but if your opinion is derived from a faulty look at data then your opinion is wrong too.
Also, you mentioned you might be biased like we are biased because we're applying to md/do schools but saying caribbean sucks is not pushed back upon by anybody other than caribbean students.
Dear Dr. Parker. Thank you very much for clarification. I am starting in Ross University January 2019. And My main goal is crush the STEP 1 AND 2. I will work my ass off but any tips would be great from you!
God rest your soul. Please reconsider.
@@pplrjustppl yea ✌. i see you are one of those who jump to conclusion with out having any fucking idea about a person. lol
I LOVE YOU DOCTOR!! I appreciate you..
You’re wrong.
Man thanks for your honest video, reality is shocking and hard to process. 🙌
So for anyone who gives a shit about becoming a resident you should be aware: www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/NRMP-2018-Program-Director-Survey-for-WWW.pdf
No, you are far more likely to be ranked if you go to a DO school when compared to an MD-Carib school. Period. Dr. Buck's "experience" doesn't matter. The data refutes his thought. I have experienced it. I'm a US-MD who matched into residency.
Now, that isn't to say that MD-Caribs cannot match. Absolutely not. With sufficiently high board scores it's absolutely possible. And I have nothing but love for the many excellent MD-Carib grads that I have met. But I think Dr. Buck is letting his bias (as he is a Carib grad himself) inform his conclusions here. Does going to a MD school make you inherently better than a DO? No. And vice versa. Every doctor will practice differently and where you went to school means fuck all when it comes to delivering quality care. But if you are trying to give advice (very expensive advice), I strongly believe you should shut the fuck up if you don't know what you are talking about, Buck.
Hey Dr Buck, what do you know about docs with the MBBS degrees awarded in England, practicing in the US? As far as I know, an MBBS and an MD are equivalent degrees as long as you pass the Steps. Thanks in advance, you're the man!
If you want to practice in the US, go to a US school. Otherwise, you're creating an uphill battle for yourself.
MBBS gets converted to MD when they practice
MBBS and MD are both obtained from allopathic medical schools. Therefore, MBBS is abbreviated as MD as people aren't familiar with what MBBS are in the US.
@@bruceylee8670This is incorrect.
Subbed just for your lack of a filter. Tell it straight I love it.
Hey Dr. Buck,
Thanks for posting so many videos. I was wondering what you mean by having your shit together before med school?
this dude is just trying to validate himself lol
Pretty much lol
Hey Buck....Dr Steve d.o. here. If this md vs do thing doesn't bother me, I'm sure your wondering what does bother me. The brakes on my new Bentley GT convertible are making a strange noise. Until I can get it to the dealership in Atlanta ( a pain in the ass) I have to drive my Ferrari 488 every day. You're still welcome to come on down. Peace my brother.
hahahaahha love it!
I think something he's forgetting to put an emphasis on is the specialty someone wants to get into. If you think you want to become a cardiothoracic surgeon, or a pediatric neuro anesthesiologist, MAYBE IMG is better than DO (most people have no idea what specialty they want to go into until 3rd-4th year of medical school, let alone before medical school). But if you want to go into internal medicine and then do a fellowship and become something like an interventional cardiologist or an oncologist, US DO schools are a much better option in my opinion, because you can easily get into an internal medicine residency from a DO school. And one more thing I disagreed with from the previous video is where Dr. Parker said nobody goes into DO because they want to. I personally know people who got into US MD schools but decided to go to a DO school because they felt like those schools aligned better with their personal beliefs.
The other md medical school was a new school at Mercer university. I went to pharmacy school at Mercer. I was married and married a 2 year old daughter. I had resigned my job and ready for go. Then I got this call from the school and the accreditation office from my AMA had done their deal and the school didn't meet all the requirements . The lady told me not a good but the school would be delayed by one year. Holy shit....it was a BIG PROBLEM for me. No job and a wife is child to take care of. I call my advisor at Mercer pharmacy school and he told me about a reciprocity program between Georgia and West virginia. I applied and got accepted at WVSOM. I chose it out....excellent school. When I got my packet from the school, I was going to pay in state tuition. Check this out....in state tuition was 600.00 dollars per year. I went to medical school in the USA....all 4 years tuition was 2400.00 dollars.
For this, and all your other videos: thank you. You're literary saving lives with these videos. You're the GOAT.
How hard do you think it would be getting a PM&R residency as a DO? Not even done with undergrad just curious.
I heard its actually easy for DOs since they learn OMT
Yeah i agree with u Dr. Buck
What do u think of IMGs with the MBBS degree??
Youre helping me get through med school by remindin me that its awesome once you get the job, but MAN are these first two years a slog
yes they are...hang in there.
"I've been 'infectious' with Chlamydia for almost a decade now, because of miscreant physicians denying proper services with the antibiotics. And everyone else I've turned to about it has 'begged the question' with a runaround in turn with the physicians. According to the authorities I have a 'service issue' and need to 'get an attorney'..."
I'm in podiatry school and I'm loving it so far I get to live at home and save a ton of money and don't have to deal with the headache or stress of all this BS. Dental is also a good option
robertjames12 honestly
if you don't mind dealing with feet all day, yeah - podiatry is a great career. Most people don't want to do that, though
So in your opinion, is where you went to school more important step 1 scores for matching?
Lol bruh stop lying to people. "Placement" is not the same as matching. 93% of st George or whatever placed into a residency, likely not one they wanted, even more likely some shitty FM residency out in the boonies. What's their MATCH rate, not placement? DOs have a massively higher match rate, AND placement rate. Caribs placement is 93%. DOs average 99.5%.
are you a DO?
Nah but instead of copy pasting that to everything that refutes your argument, feel free to persuade me otherwise
I leave for a carabbean school, I matriculate May 2019.
I already know it's going to suck.
But I kinda like when things are miserable, because I know other people are suffering too.
And that makes me happy.
hahaaha yessss EMBRACE THE SUCK!
@@drbuckparker St. Vincent and the Grenadines. Machete wielding island people. Trinity School of Medicine.
CAAM-HP accredited, and approved by the VA. That's all I need. Haha
😂😂😂🤭 Dr. True!!!!! Don’t bleep out The right words! So true I went to UCE at Dominican Rep. is not the best option
This dude is the best, he is straight up legit, no shit talking
Hi Dr. Parker I am graduating high school next year and I was wondering if it mattered if I started at a community college and got my pre req’s there then transfer to a university a lot of people say that It looks bad on you. But I’m not in the position to go to a university right out of high school thank you
Luke willis
Community college is fine. Big time university probably is better but a 3.0 gpa from an Ivy League won’t cut it but a 3.9 gpa from podunk U. will open doors.
What about the horror stories of students getting through boards without a residency program to take them. Begging for spots in family medicine Arkansas 10 years after they graduated..
Dr. Parker, what do you think about the physician assistant career?
I don't believe that being MD makes you superior than DO..... doctor is defined by his knowledge and skills.
M.D.~ DO. IMG = M.D. Successful Orthopedic surgeon here, IMG, U.S. Citizen, M.D. The competitive specialties are competitive for both MD’s and DO’s, however, I can promise you that an IMG with a 240 on the USMLE step 1 will have the same opportunities as any candidate M.D. graduating from a school in the U.S.. DO’s snag competitive specialties, sure, but so do IMG’s. The bottom line is this, it is easier to get acceptance to DO programs and Caribbean programs because of the scores and GPA’s that are deemed acceptable. Of course, you will get a hell of a lot more people getting weeded out of the Caribbean programs because they should not have been there in the first place! Same for the DO’s, many could not cut it and didn’t make it into an M.D. program, so guess what? They will not be obtaining those competitive residencies. There aren’t that many DO schools and to get a Neuro or an Ortho residency, better make sure you are top 5 in your class. Good luck to all.
What are you smoking? Less than 5 people matched ortho coming out of ALL Carib schools combined the last couple of years. 112 DO’s matched ortho just last year. Lol a 240 Carib step 1 can’t even match anesthesia or OB much less ortho…
Also, if you are planning to practice outside of US at some point, it is harder to do that with a DO. MD is more widely accepted.
Only reason you'd practice outside the US is if you failed to match into a US residency, of which many caribs do
@@lmfao1264 not really. I know people who finish residency in US and then go practice elsewhere because the work environment is so much better.
Another reason program directors dislike FMGs and IMGs. They don't want to spend tax payer money that paid for those spots on people who didn't even earn their education in the US and might leave the second they're done
I love the fact that you don’t make this videos to please anyone but to give good advice and real point of views. Facts don’t care about feelings people. 🔥🔥🔥
What are some criteria to be considered when deciding if an IMG school is a "no name" school or if it is well accredited?
Hi Doctor Parker!
I was wondering if you could please make a video on how to deal with patient death OR maybe the first time you felt emotional about a patient and how to deal with it?
Thank you so much, love your content!
Real talk. Thanks doc.
I love how you're so real! we need more people like you! I hate when someone that doesn't know anything gives you advice and tells you to listen to them! loved the fat guy and abs example!
It's funny because that's exactly what you're doing lmfao
Typo...didn't marry my 2year old daughter lol. My point was every one has a different story on what route they take to become a doctor. Peace brother
I fckn love how you bring your point across lmao
Thanks for doing this for only $600 a month! I am finally on my way to becoming a surgeon because of you! I’ll write you a check when I’m ballin’ because I finally made it. #checkyourmailin13years 😂
Just to follow up with some hard numbers, take a look at this year's PD survey: www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/NRMP-2018-Program-Director-Survey-for-WWW.pdf
For all specialties, program directors "often" ranked osteopathic applicants 57% of the time, while ranking US IMGs 32% of the time: i.imgur.com/BLYht6F.png
For a competitive specialty like ortho, osteopathic applicants are still "often" ranked 3x as much as US IMGs: i.imgur.com/m4RVKx0.png
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LOL I don't even know what the hell that means... "frequency of interviewing" then "often, seldom, never"....that is about the furthest thing from a scientific study I've ever seen. Do you know how much variation could be in that? Any bias that could be in that very SUBJECTIVE survey? This is what i'm talking about....you gotta do research first to understand how research should be read. This "survey" is nearly worthless. IF I were to take it serious, then I would point out there is nothing in the "All Specialties Percentage of Programs Citing Each Factor And Mean Importance Rating¹ for Each Factor in Ranking Applicants" that says being a DO or IMG is a factor in their decision making. LOL. It's a joke.
Seems to me that the American system for studying medicine is needlessly complicated. Why is that?
We don't need dumb people practicing medicine!
Thumbs up, I love the honesty
What are your thoughts on DPM/Podiatry? I heard they have similar training
There's a whole thread about this video on sdn
lol. i couldn't give 2 shits what they say.
Buck Parker, M.D. to be fair there are verified admissions councilors that comment on practically every thread so it’s not 100% premed hype.
Hello Dr,
Will going to an international undergraduate school or us community colleges lower my chances of getting accepted into a top tier carribean medical schools? Tell me what you think. Thanks
thanks bro ! you rock. Love the rant
What it seems most people here are upset with is the underlying selection bias for matriculation at IMG-MD vs DO schools that was not addressed. Although DO schools classically select for stronger candidates, the reasons for which are irrelevant, a given candidate with 3.65 GPA and 30mcat would likely have better future opportunities going to an IMG-MD school based on their preexisting competency. The problem is that a vast majority of IMG-MD students lack this competency. Additionally, there's a slight loophole in the system in that the most competitive DO students have a relatively easier time matching the most competitive specialities (in the DO world) because these positions are not sought by UD-MD candidates. Compare this to the sheer volume of competition to match ortho at an MD program as an allopath.
Just the two cents of a lowly DO who doesn't feel like taking your allopathic spot.
Jonathan I would agree with you here. You are correct, a large amount of IMGs are not competent. Which is what I have said before, which accounts for the "lower" match rate. But if you compare the matched DO-IMG in, say competency, I do believe the IMG has the upper hand. And congrats on getting in and becoming a doctor no matter where you are studying:)
@@drbuckparker Comparing matched DO in the osteopathic world to matched MD-IMG in the allopathic world is comparing apples to oranges; there are way too many confounding variables. A better comparison would be DO vs IMG-MD in matching allopathic residencies (or fellowships), or the previous comparison we mentioned above. In the former, future opportunities, competency, prestige would all be equivalent. It really comes down to vanity and egotism in having the MD after your name. The question applicants should ask themselves is, "Is it worth spending two years in another country away from family, friends, etc for two letters, or do I trust myself to outwork enough students across the spectrum to match where I want?" Success really comes down to intelligence, motivation/work ethic, and the ability to connect and communicate with peers.
What's your opinion on DPMs? (Podiatrists?)
Great video! I am a pre-med looking at Caribbean schools, and it’s encouraging to know that hard work and perseverance can pay off. I pray I can continue to give it my all as I am doing for years to come and one day become an A rated doctor.
Just some advice. If that hard work and perseverance didn't get you into a US MD school, it's not gonna get you into a US residency and an IMG. I'm laying this on you now bc I don't wanna see you in four years with 350+k in debt bagging my groceries at walrmart
would be interesting to hear an update. did you go to a Caribbean school? If so, did you hard work and perseverance pay off?
Dr. Buck tells it straight like it is!!! Which is what Pre Meds need to hear!! Great video. Strive to be an A+ person and an A+ doctor who commands respect!
So many inspiring points pulled out of this :)
Outstanding response.