Thanks for watching! It was certainly an interesting experience to publicly analyse this evolution of a design language that I was a part of creating. Hopefully I was unbiased enough to give a sincere account of the new Artura and that some of my suggestions are actually improvements! What do you think of McLaren's new design? I look forward to hearing your thoughts and opinions!
"Those are precisely the kind of people we have to eliminate from the gene pool" - that should be written in gold. Totally agree on the mirrors, air intakes and especially the tail lights.
I almost want to get a Ferrari 360 just to get rid of the rear cover so the engine is exposed. Those dual tail lights floating in mid air would make the car look much more modern.
Agree on the badge comment. Just a red chevron or whatever that shape is would look so much better, especially on the back against that sea of black mesh.
@@andytaylor2321 Crazy seeing someone in the comments say they casually own one of these, then someone saying they're looking to buy one. Somewhat inspirational I suppose, guess I could afford one of I try hard enough
@@iFuff I kinda liked it, but in his little edit, they seemed too flat near the top of the lights, I feel like they should have curved a little more, like the P1 and 570S.
Frank, I am so glad you like the Mclaren Artura, because I was very impressed by it. I was not sure of what you were going to say about it. So I was hoping you didn't give it the Axe. Even though I also had a problem with the name (I think they should have stayed with the alpha-numeric format), one of the things I liked best about the Artura is that it got right what it seems Ferrari 488 messed-up. Both the Artura and the Ferrari 488 have the same kind of side intake Door cutout designs. But the Door handle of the Ferrari 488 sits so low, it makes the Door look like it's saggy & melting. However, the Artura has its Door handle at the top, making the Door look stern & solid. I think your idea of using vertical bars instead of a mesh in a Super Car's rear is absolutely genius. I have always admired when Mercedes & BMW use vertical Bars in their Grilles. But I never thought of it in the rear. Above all, based upon your critique of the Artura, I now salute you as a true Car design grand master. Much respect to you.
@@FrankStephensondesign Thanks Frank. Would you by any chance have any example of these blades in mind, or it has never been done before? Your opinion is always valuable.
@@FrankStephensondesign Frank, I see what you are saying. The rear vent of the 2021 Porsche 911 Targa & Convertible have vertical chrome bars (not blades as you mentioned though) and it looks very elegant. By the way, forgive me for being pesky, but it is simply an honor to be able to get even the smallest nuggets of wisdom from such a giant of the Car Design industry like you. In addition, I told some commercial airline pilots about you, and a little bit of the stories I heard you tell in some of your interviews. They were so impressed that they thought I should have been a Professor teaching in a University. That made me realize that it will be a good idea if you would consider writing your Biography. The Cars you have designed have brought joy to billions of people around the world. I think knowing the stories behind their beloved vehicles will give them a better appreciation for the Cars sitting in their Garages or driveways.
@@hakshustletv true there is no exclusivity with mclaren like with ferrari etc. however if you love cars for what they are you have to appreciate mclaren.
@@thegphd5155 Yeah but at those price points, money matters and you don't want to take huge losses in a matter of months. I remember looking at a McLaren (I wasn't looking to buy it or anything) but I bought an SV Autobiography and within 6 months, that McLaren had dropped more than my Range Rover & RR drop in price like crazy. That shouldn't be happening with supercars but it happens when you churn out so many of them and they haven't got the demand like a Ferrari.
I just kept nodding in agreement with literally every suggestion he made. Particularly felt strongly that I would have loved to see the P1 style rear led lights and slight softening of the side intakes he made suggestions for and elimination of the fussy details on wing vents for example.. Epic designer one of my favourite bar none.. 👍 Thanks for sharing Frank 🔥🙏
As someone who dreamt of being a car designer as a kid, but ended up doing other things (aphantasia is a bitch 😄), I really enjoy the insights into car design I get from these videos. As a Swede, I would love a critique on any or all of Koenigsegg
Excellent critique of the Artura. Your design of the 675LT was breathtaking. I had the pleasure of seeing it first hand, and hope to own one in the future. 👍✌
@@aabidamn really? Thats interesting. But yeah when I see the car out at car shows n stuff, I think it is a really good looking McLaren that isn't over styled. It was also the foundation for a lot of the McLarens that succeeded it
Agreed. The door mirrors would be much better in black or carbon fiber. Also, is this the first McLaren with an actual door handle? (not hidden behind the door aero structure)
yes it comes with a door handle, guessed they realized they didn't need to hover their hand under the door like they were making a spell or something lmao
Great video. I think that the Artura is a wonderful expression of McLarens evolving design language with a boldness that really puts the current designs from Maranello in the shade. Paired with a completely next generation power train it really deserves to succeed against its mainly Italian rivals.
I think the 720s was a huge breakthrough in design for Mclaren. That air intake where the lights are, and that sweeping area along the hood, inside the mirror and inside the door to the engine is brilliant. The lower "wing" area on the outside of the door is gorgeous too. And that wing that at the rear that's basically like the whole rear of the car lifts.. As for the older designs, I find them to be kind of soft looking. Thanks for the review Frank!
Overall a stunning and evocative shape. Just love it. Agree re the side vision mirrors, black would look better. Re the rear mesh I like it, same with the rear lights. Simple, sculptural and devastingly desirable 🤩
Tha I you again for the insights. You not only say things but have immediate reasons! Thank you thank you thank you. “Soft to corse curvature” that sounds interesting. Would you make a video where such concepts are expanded on? This is very intriguing.
personally I liked the 675lt the best out of previous mclaren's. I like this one a lot too. It doesn't look as badass but it does look more refined and I love its organic curves and that it still absolutely looks like a McLaren. I think you're right about the badge and the name. They said the name is a mix of the word 'art' and 'future' but personally I would have just preferred a sexier name but one that resonates with what people think of when they think of mclarens.
Love your analysis and agree with you on all your points. Especially with the rear tail-lights. The P1 was epic and they should have kept the lights that follow the contour.
Love the design suggestions to clean up the vents and wing mirrors. In addition to the rear window I think the side intakes look similar to the Dino's albeit on steroids. Fank please review the T50 soon!
Maybe it has more to do with their branding, but to me McLarens still lack that extra "something" that some Ferraris, Porsches, and Lamborghinis have. They're beautiful cars, I agree, I just wonder if you slapped a Hot Wheels logo or a made up GTA or Asphalt brand on them your average person wouldn't even notice.
Hey Frank, loved this video, I was wondering if you can review the new Porsche 911 to the older generations before it. Anyways always a pleasure watching!
I’d love to hear you take on the BMW i3s. I know it’s very controversial and many people do not like it. I own one since almost a year and i absolutely love it! I think it’s so underrated for what it was designed to be, an urban car. In my eyes, it was way before it’s time and still can keep up with other cars in 2021. Big windows, very good all-around view, small turn radius, good handling, modern unusual recycled materials, carbon fiber and aluminium body, good charging speed and it’s quite fast! It’s a shame that they are obviously stopping the production in autumn 2021.
First of all love your choice of dogs .... Beautiful .... Back ti the car ... sensational looking. Rear reminds me of the McLaren GT .... I listen to so many car Journalists complaining about rest visibility issues yet all the technology you have in cars why the mirror is not switchable to a camera... PLUS .. WHY do cars ONLY have Day Time Running Lights in the front ... that car would look from the back like a space ship if it had a full length LED tube across the back as a rear DTRL ?
I feel like a lot of the adjustments, vertical grill aside, can be done aftermarket.. I guess its time to start the Frank stephenson visual tuning company
Anyone noticed that he switched the 570 and the 675 LT? So the second car is the 675 LT and the third is the 570. By the way Frank, I love your reviews ^^
If You could do a talk/discussions with the current designers of the cars over a cup of tea coffee, would be great to understand their thinking along side with their thinking
Nice comments! I agree on most of it apart from the line around the side intakes, I think it’s perfect as it is and would loose tension being one single curve. I was part of the small group modelling the exterior of this back in 2018 (front/side mainly) and I remember wondering how many would pick up it’s actually carry-over 720 headlamps.. they’re well disguised in there
Side view of the car reminds immediately of Ferrari F40 or P4, but its OK. The interpretation of the NACA-Duct looks organic and how Mclaran intigrated it in the body is very nice. Colour of the car is also very nice, something different from the papaya-colour usually used by McLaren, now they have someting fresh and it reminds a bit of Lamborghini. Frank, before you mentioned mesh I knew alredy you would say somthing negativ about it. And I completely agree with you. Mesh doesn't look good any more today, that's obvious, would be nice to see your solution of the rear end. And on the rear of the car we expect a little bit more drama than we see it now. Thank you for review, Frank, it was a pleasure to see the video.
It seems to me like Frank often sets the bar for design language wherever he works, and when he leaves they struggle to know how to progress it. Look at MINI, they have really struggled moving the design language on. Or Fiat with the 500 (the new electric one finally progresses it). Looks to me like McLaren are struggling to move it on, it’s a nice car but is it enough progression? Not sure. Just looks like another McLaren.
I love the pillars in the back, the way they join the body. The headlamps remind me of the Senna, which I don’t like very much. Other than that: great design!
Amazing video as always, Frank! I couldn't agree more with you about the taillights. Cars like the Artura (and Chiron) would be much more attractive in the rear if they followed your P1 taillight design where the light is integrated into the existing outline of the rear. I hope McLaren (and others) are taking notes from your channel!
This car is basically the same since the mp4-12c with small changes and various model ranges. Basically like the 911. But porsche gave its car a name. Mclaren gives confusing names, often unrelated. They should give their supercar a generic name. I end up forgetting the name of half of these mclarens
At first sight, when I see the car, it feels like it lacks emotion. Turns out for me it is that green lime that ruins it. And yeah totally agree on the rear design is too bland because of that horizontal light. Could be done better. Superb and enjoyable content to start my day, thanks Frank 👍 Hope you can deliver the BMW iX design critique next. I bet it would be fun to watch
I don't like that most modern cars front is designed to look angry, aggresive, with lines resembling too evident human or animal face expressions. I think you can get an imponent, intimidating presence with more calm looking designs or at least not so animal-like. One example to this could be the Aston Martin vantage from the 90s. Greetings
I disagree about the organic McLaren logo versus the squared off logo on the front of the hood. If you've ever owned one of these cars you know that you need that large squared off logo to push the frunk closed without pressing on the paint.
What I don't like about the front end are those bottom side intakes (not the ones connected to headlights). If you've seen the latest Joker movie where he puts two index fingers in his mouth to force-stretch a smile, that's what this is reminding me of. Force-stretched. I think the 570S had a much better front-bottom part, but I guess McLaren had to change it somehow, and they didn't do a good job of it.
@@iFuff that's exactly why I suggested it, like the new 4 series with the bad nose. I want to know what's going through a designer's head when designing something controversial like that.
Thanks! I agree with most of your tweaks, although I don’t mind the mesh. The flying buttresses at the rear of the greenhouse are reminiscent of the Maserati Merak. By the way, how’s that Taiwanese whiskey behind you?
Kinda Chuck, but much more like Ferrari’s 599 flying buttresses. Mesh is only good for pesky flys and mosquitoes in my book. This specific Kavalan is great, almost bourbonesque!
@@FrankStephensondesign I forgot about the 599. The local dealership has been closed off due to Covid for so long that I haven't seen one in a while. ;-)
I actually like the rear mesh. It has a 3D surface that keeps it interesting and the way the cell edges change from the top to the bottom of the mesh is pretty cool. It also matches the mesh at the top of the engine, which keeps everything neat and cohesive.
Don't you want clean airflow into the side intake? The Side mirrors seem to be somewhat in the way. Maybe you want turbulent lower pressure flow (don't understand cars that well) but even if it didn't really matter, smaller/slicker higher mounted side mirrors would look better IMO
I will admit,when it first launched 4 months or so ago,I wasn't convinced.perhaps it 2as the launch color that put me off but I saw a picture of it in a bright red which I kinda prefer a dark red like nerello red or volcano red but I'm in love with the design.it has similarities on the side of the emira which I also love. Frank,even if you may never personally read this,thank you for giving back with your expertise. In my opinion,going full EV is a mistake.If you listen to something like a Pagani Huyara R or novitec 812 N-Largo it's the soul stirring emotions that only the sound of a ICE engine like a f12 or similar that no matter how fast,how efficient an EV is in comparison.an EV will NEVER HAVE.it will be incapable of replacing it. I love your work man,I'm an amateur designer and I feel that coming up with multiple design languages that are unique is a difficult thing. I have noticed that there are certain elements that are consistent with my designs but I try changing that certain element and in my eye it doesn't seem to look proper. I have always struggled with perspective and 3D drawing but I'm decent at side profile. I'm 37 btw. If I were to say any kind of design influences I have it would be the F40,F50,DB9,Countach,corvettes,Pagani Huyara and Zonda,288 GTO,250 LM,Enzo I'm also not ignorant of things like aerodynamics but I would like to see what your take is on a Pagani or Koenigsegg.I realize they don't have a long history on which to draw on but the new Countach that Lamborghini is developing.I think from the picture I have seen it's taking some inspiration from the LP400. Maybe I'm wrong. Frank you have lived many a car enthusiasts dream,you are blessed and I hope god is continually good to you
Imagine instead of the mesh or prison cell using multiple horizontal stripes that follow the direction of the curvature of the diffuser housing and the rear body, smoothly blending between the contours like waves or something, that would've been pretty sick
6:40 - That area improves the performance of the car, because it reduces the drag (the air stream is being redirected far from the wheel spokes) and helps to stabilize the air stream, which typically gets turbulent at the moment it reaches the rotating tyres that try to push the coming air stream against the road, thus create lift and drag.
The new McLaren hypercar (the successor to the P1) will be unveiled on October 6. I will be very interested to hear what you have to say about its design.
I don't know where the A comes, My name doesn't exist with an A, it is Arturo, but yeah I have to agree , really good comments. what about the new Ford Team Fordzilla ? would love to hear the comments on it.
It's interesting regarding the mesh topic. I've always seen it more as a way to keep unwanted debris and elements out, such as leaves and whatnot. I completely agree that people who stick their hands in deserve the following burnmark as a reminder of their stupidity. Simultaneously, I don't mind mesh when the airflow is deliberately meant to be restricted - this is more often relevant in the frontal part and intakes, where mesh design can be used to enhance the overall aesthetic of the car's visual appearance (more techy, more classic, more product design, or something else entirely). I think for the Artura, the biggest criticism I'd give, is that McLaren overall are slowly risking falling into the trap of overfamiliarizing their vehicle lineup, to the point where each model and update looks so similar that people start to lose interest in the individual car, because it doesn't manage to make a name for itself. This is something that more and more brands are starting to suffer from today, where family feeling has become such a dominant trend. It's always desirable that people can recognize a car's brand purely from a glance, but there is a fine line where if you cross it, the individual car itself starts to lose its own personal brand value and ends up becoming forgettable - which in the long run hurts the brand image of the company. It's like taking a Jaguar E-Type. Yes you know it as a Jaguar, but you also know it purely as the E-Type. The car can stand on its own regardless of the brand behind the name attached. The individual model has its own purpose and soul. And I don't find that soul in the Artura, simply because McLaren has done too much of the same approach for too long. First the P1, and later the 720 was a breath of fresh air, and McLaren needs more of that.
Thanks for you comments Frank, you're the only person seriously analysing design in this way on RUclips and these cars live and die by design as much as performance! The two areas of the design that I take issue with are: 1) The heavy edge treatment on the side intakes, wouldn't that be better softer to avoid distracting from the other curves nearby? 2) The roof/ B pillars. From the rear 3/4 view is seems a bit bubble like, almost as if the car has been inflated. You can get a similar sense in the Lotus Evora and the Noble M600. The original 570s has this while the 570GT with it's rear hatch glass was very different and (to me) more resolved. It seems to lack tension compared to say the Ferarri 458 in this area. What do you make of this aspect? Thanks once again
Why mesh, Frank? Think how much cheaper it is, even a single unit price difference. Project that over a whole years worth of manufacture... Precisely the type of people we don't need in the gene-pool in control of the asylum's purse-strings. The end result is morbid mediocrity. NB: Your 'blades' idea is beautiful. Would really tie-in the diffuser, stop it looking like tacked-on aero. These mesh-grilles with the progressive scale cut-outs are REALLY gonna date these cars down the line. Everyone is doing it, from Peugeot to Ferrari to Mercedes. Bless you I do really enjoy your videos, some real quality content.
Great deconstruction of the design as always. Personally think this car looks like a mashup of all the previous mclarens. The front remidns me of the 720s combined with the headlight area from the 650s. rear is again like a mix of 570s and 720s and the side is like the 600LT. Wish Mclaren wouldnt play it so safe. Even though the car doesnt look bad. As Frank says, it is evolutionary not revolutionary. Which might not necessarily be a bad thing, but in this case the Artura seems like another forgettable model in the mclaren range. Kinda wish they made something with similar shock value as when the P1 came out. But again, personal opinion. Great video :)
I love the shape. It feels powerful. I agree 100% with Mr. Stephenson. Ultimately very clean shape and not too much decoration. It looks purposeful. Very soft iteration on an already beautiful car.
Thanks for watching! It was certainly an interesting experience to publicly analyse this evolution of a design language that I was a part of creating. Hopefully I was unbiased enough to give a sincere account of the new Artura and that some of my suggestions are actually improvements!
What do you think of McLaren's new design? I look forward to hearing your thoughts and opinions!
C8 Corvette deep dive some time, please!
Good points Frank👍
Nice video sir 🙏🏻
From a powertrain perspective I wish the electric motor maximum output(94hp) lasted for 30 seconds instead of 15 seconds😣😔🤔
Thank u Frank for ur much appreciated opinions. Your words of wisdom. It always helps me a lot.
"those are the people we have to eliminate from the gene pool "
That's some real gold right there
@@kalmansandor5930 That's a solid question
@@kalmansandor5930 They will learn it quick, after just one touch, do not worry ;)
@@kalmansandor5930 The ones that do it will be eliminate. Simple ;)
I laughed for a good few seconds about that one
Does anybody know the source of that interview? I would love to watch it in full length
"Those are precisely the kind of people we have to eliminate from the gene pool" - that should be written in gold.
Totally agree on the mirrors, air intakes and especially the tail lights.
it should be a T-Shirt
I almost want to get a Ferrari 360 just to get rid of the rear cover so the engine is exposed. Those dual tail lights floating in mid air would make the car look much more modern.
nah
I would love to see Mr Stephenson make a render on how he would’ve improved the car!
Should get a sketch monkey collab for that
McLaren : Write that down write that down!
Agree on the badge comment. Just a red chevron or whatever that shape is would look so much better, especially on the back against that sea of black mesh.
2:00 The cars are in the wrong order 675 LT and 570S
Thank god someone noticed that, because that felt a bit awkward
I have a 570 and I gave it a second look, like that doesn’t look like my car.
@@andytaylor2321 how is the reliability of your 570s? I’m looking to buy one
@@andytaylor2321 Crazy seeing someone in the comments say they casually own one of these, then someone saying they're looking to buy one. Somewhat inspirational I suppose, guess I could afford one of I try hard enough
I never thought of sticking my hand in the exhaust pipe of a McLaren before, but now I kinda want to.
rcr voice
***you start with your thumb...then it gets FUN***
@@Petrospect wow another RCR viewer, how incredibly quirky and unique of you, would you like to show us thissss joke's very original humor
With so many fake exhausts today, that is one way to verify! Give a good fisting!
Another contender for gene pool elimination, along with Mat Watson.
best comment :D :D
I love these design reviews!
hey sneakersnob what you doin here
Wow, that’s a nice surprise
@@khrhee5 really? Grow up maybe?
This guy - "the name really doesn't hit me right here"
Also this guy - designed a car called MP4-12C
My guess would be the marketing team had more say over that than him
MP4-12C is a cool name tho
You got me 🤣
MP4 12C sounds like a cool car, that actually was and still is.
THIS GUY...... has earned the right to say ANYTHING he wants about any car and you should consider it gospel ;)
I 100% agree with the headlight part. And love how you included the edit of your idea.
Also love the taillights following the body shape 🥰
@@iFuff I kinda liked it, but in his little edit, they seemed too flat near the top of the lights, I feel like they should have curved a little more, like the P1 and 570S.
Artura surely looks good but P1 is my personal favorite to this day, P1's look just flow like water.
plus, it's an actual design, not pieced together
Yeah P1's lines will look good in 50 years. Artura won't.
P1 looks like a Panther.
@@AllThingsCubey P1 will. Make these look like knockoffs
765lt / 720s also gotta be up there, but yh the p1 is a great looking car
Frank, I am so glad you like the Mclaren Artura, because I was very impressed by it. I was not sure of what you were going to say about it. So I was hoping you didn't give it the Axe.
Even though I also had a problem with the name (I think they should have stayed with the alpha-numeric format), one of the things I liked best about the Artura is that it got right what it seems Ferrari 488 messed-up. Both the Artura and the Ferrari 488 have the same kind of side intake Door cutout designs. But the Door handle of the Ferrari 488 sits so low, it makes the Door look like it's saggy & melting. However, the Artura has its Door handle at the top, making the Door look stern & solid.
I think your idea of using vertical bars instead of a mesh in a Super Car's rear is absolutely genius. I have always admired when Mercedes & BMW use vertical Bars in their Grilles. But I never thought of it in the rear.
Above all, based upon your critique of the Artura, I now salute you as a true Car design grand master. Much respect to you.
Thanks Richard! Slight correction...not bars instead of mesh...blades...thin ones with a slender tear drop shaped aero section. 👍
@@FrankStephensondesign Thanks Frank. Would you by any chance have any example of these blades in mind, or it has never been done before? Your opinion is always valuable.
@@FrankStephensondesign Frank, I see what you are saying. The rear vent of the 2021 Porsche 911 Targa & Convertible have vertical chrome bars (not blades as you mentioned though) and it looks very elegant.
By the way, forgive me for being pesky, but it is simply an honor to be able to get even the smallest nuggets of wisdom from such a giant of the Car Design industry like you.
In addition, I told some commercial airline pilots about you, and a little bit of the stories I heard you tell in some of your interviews. They were so impressed that they thought I should have been a Professor teaching in a University. That made me realize that it will be a good idea if you would consider writing your Biography. The Cars you have designed have brought joy to billions of people around the world. I think knowing the stories behind their beloved vehicles will give them a better appreciation for the Cars sitting in their Garages or driveways.
This car is beautiful in my opinion. Mclaren has been stepping it up so hard in recent years.
They have no problems with making good looking cars that perform well, the issue is they make too many.
@@hakshustletv true there is no exclusivity with mclaren like with ferrari etc. however if you love cars for what they are you have to appreciate mclaren.
@@thegphd5155 Yeah but at those price points, money matters and you don't want to take huge losses in a matter of months. I remember looking at a McLaren (I wasn't looking to buy it or anything) but I bought an SV Autobiography and within 6 months, that McLaren had dropped more than my Range Rover & RR drop in price like crazy. That shouldn't be happening with supercars but it happens when you churn out so many of them and they haven't got the demand like a Ferrari.
I just kept nodding in agreement with literally every suggestion he made. Particularly felt strongly that I would have loved to see the P1 style rear led lights and slight softening of the side intakes he made suggestions for and elimination of the fussy details on wing vents for example.. Epic designer one of my favourite bar none.. 👍 Thanks for sharing Frank 🔥🙏
As someone who dreamt of being a car designer as a kid, but ended up doing other things (aphantasia is a bitch 😄), I really enjoy the insights into car design I get from
these videos. As a Swede, I would love a critique on any or all of Koenigsegg
...’s current lineup. Couldn’t edit prematurely posted comment
agreed! would love a take on the Gemera
I think best performance and innovation but no design especially the headlights
Not a huge fan of the Koenigsegg range, except the Gemera. That is fantastic! Would be interesting to see if Frank thought he could improve it.
Excellent critique of the Artura. Your design of the 675LT was breathtaking. I had the pleasure of seeing it first hand, and hope to own one in the future. 👍✌
The Mp4-12c started all of the new cars and its still one of my favorites
Each to their own. Mind you, Frank didn't really like the MP4-12C design.
@@aabidamn really? Thats interesting. But yeah when I see the car out at car shows n stuff, I think it is a really good looking McLaren that isn't over styled. It was also the foundation for a lot of the McLarens that succeeded it
@@SangheiliSpecOp He mentioned it during his interview with MrJWW.
@@aabidamn thank you. I'll check that out
Agreed. The door mirrors would be much better in black or carbon fiber. Also, is this the first McLaren with an actual door handle? (not hidden behind the door aero structure)
There's a carbon option, if you go on the builder on their website you'll find it
yes it comes with a door handle, guessed they realized they didn't need to hover their hand under the door like they were making a spell or something lmao
it's strange how visible they made it
Makes it easy for casual car thieves to try the doors! Where they would have just walked on by. If they get in, all your stuff is gone!
I really appreciate you not holding back too much in your critique, knowing that you've been a big part in their design department.
i love how he stopped himself from using sensual for a moment, shrugged, and was just "How else can you say it?"
and then proceeds to fantasize about sticking his hand in the air intake
10:14, "But those are precisely the kind of people we have to eliminate from the gene pool" 🤣🤣🤣🤣😵
quite amazing to hear a veteran car designer's suggestions how to improve designs I thought were already solid. Very educational
Haha, mesh + Frank = no-go zone! Love the review
Great video.
I think that the Artura is a wonderful expression of McLarens evolving design language with a boldness that really puts the current designs from Maranello in the shade. Paired with a completely next generation power train it really deserves to succeed against its mainly Italian rivals.
The 720s definitely looks better imo. Still the best looking Mclaren to date. Though the P1 comes close
For me is P1 then 720S then speedtail
Senna: said no one ever
You must be popular with the women with how well you describe physical features 😂🙌🏼
You have to respect a designer that can objectively put the Honda E above all else with a perfect 10. That car really is a beautiful small car.
Good choice of cigar sat on the table there Frank!
I think the 720s was a huge breakthrough in design for Mclaren. That air intake where the lights are, and that sweeping area along the hood, inside the mirror and inside the door to the engine is brilliant. The lower "wing" area on the outside of the door is gorgeous too. And that wing that at the rear that's basically like the whole rear of the car lifts.. As for the older designs, I find them to be kind of soft looking. Thanks for the review Frank!
Overall a stunning and evocative shape. Just love it. Agree re the side vision mirrors, black would look better. Re the rear mesh I like it, same with the rear lights. Simple, sculptural and devastingly desirable 🤩
Mirrors from 650s and P1 tail lights. It would not be "different" enough for a press release but it would look perfect.
Tha I you again for the insights. You not only say things but have immediate reasons! Thank you thank you thank you. “Soft to corse curvature” that sounds interesting. Would you make a video where such concepts are expanded on? This is very intriguing.
Frank is one of those people that will be studied for generations
personally I liked the 675lt the best out of previous mclaren's. I like this one a lot too. It doesn't look as badass but it does look more refined and I love its organic curves and that it still absolutely looks like a McLaren. I think you're right about the badge and the name. They said the name is a mix of the word 'art' and 'future' but personally I would have just preferred a sexier name but one that resonates with what people think of when they think of mclarens.
Mclaren named the artura after an genderbent king arthur
Love your analysis and agree with you on all your points. Especially with the rear tail-lights. The P1 was epic and they should have kept the lights that follow the contour.
Love the design suggestions to clean up the vents and wing mirrors. In addition to the rear window I think the side intakes look similar to the Dino's albeit on steroids. Fank please review the T50 soon!
Maybe it has more to do with their branding, but to me McLarens still lack that extra "something" that some Ferraris, Porsches, and Lamborghinis have. They're beautiful cars, I agree, I just wonder if you slapped a Hot Wheels logo or a made up GTA or Asphalt brand on them your average person wouldn't even notice.
I agree , mclaren lacks history , to me it's like a brand who appears from no where , just like lexus .
Hey Frank, loved this video, I was wondering if you can review the new Porsche 911 to the older generations before it. Anyways always a pleasure watching!
What's the point. They all look exactly the same. Porsche doesn't even need a design team for the 911
5:25 - how small this guy is inside the car. He is so tiny, it's incredible.
Always adored the P1's styling. Now I know who to thank for that beauty.
Same
I’d love to hear you take on the BMW i3s. I know it’s very controversial and many people do not like it. I own one since almost a year and i absolutely love it! I think it’s so underrated for what it was designed to be, an urban car. In my eyes, it was way before it’s time and still can keep up with other cars in 2021. Big windows, very good all-around view, small turn radius, good handling, modern unusual recycled materials, carbon fiber and aluminium body, good charging speed and it’s quite fast! It’s a shame that they are obviously stopping the production in autumn 2021.
Mclaren need to produce your edition of that car.
I wish that you was the person who designed the artura cuz yours looks 10000000% better
When are you going to do the speedtail? It’s unlike anything around. I would love your take on it.
First of all love your choice of dogs .... Beautiful .... Back ti the car ... sensational looking. Rear reminds me of the McLaren GT .... I listen to so many car Journalists complaining about rest visibility issues yet all the technology you have in cars why the mirror is not switchable to a camera... PLUS .. WHY do cars ONLY have Day Time Running Lights in the front ... that car would look from the back like a space ship if it had a full length LED tube across the back as a rear DTRL ?
The artura looks cool but as we have seen so many McLarens , this looks "normal" . I mean it could have been something unique or different
Yea exactly. I have never heard anyone say: Wow this 570s looks sooo good.
@@john_miller_ 570s is just a “baby” McLaren, not really supposed to be extremely unique like the p1
Or I could be wrong
Hi, just started watching; quick point: @ 2 mins in you have the 570s title under a 650s image and 675lt title under a 570s image. Thanks
I feel like a lot of the adjustments, vertical grill aside, can be done aftermarket.. I guess its time to start the Frank stephenson visual tuning company
Anyone noticed that he switched the 570 and the 675 LT?
So the second car is the 675 LT and the third is the 570.
By the way Frank, I love your reviews ^^
Instead of the black mesh in the rear, it would have been better to keep the horizontal fins of the MP12c. Not vertical fins.
I had the exact feeling about the air vent above the front wheel. it should have to two fins taken out, mirroring the design of the rear air vent
If You could do a talk/discussions with the current designers of the cars over a cup of tea coffee, would be great to understand their thinking along side with their thinking
Nice comments! I agree on most of it apart from the line around the side intakes, I think it’s perfect as it is and would loose tension being one single curve. I was part of the small group modelling the exterior of this back in 2018 (front/side mainly) and I remember wondering how many would pick up it’s actually carry-over 720 headlamps.. they’re well disguised in there
Man, as a Latinamerican/Spasnish Speaker I just Love that final "Artura" that you said, it just felt sooo natural! :O,
A zero fan. A man of culture you are.
@@GozuTenno962 Thanks man! 🙌🏻 Yes, Zero is one of my favorite characters ever 😎
Side view of the car reminds immediately of Ferrari F40 or P4, but its OK. The interpretation of the NACA-Duct looks organic and how Mclaran intigrated it in the body is very nice. Colour of the car is also very nice, something different from the papaya-colour usually used by McLaren, now they have someting fresh and it reminds a bit of Lamborghini. Frank, before you mentioned mesh I knew alredy you would say somthing negativ about it. And I completely agree with you. Mesh doesn't look good any more today, that's obvious, would be nice to see your solution of the rear end. And on the rear of the car we expect a little bit more drama than we see it now. Thank you for review, Frank, it was a pleasure to see the video.
Blacked out wing mirror housing would likely be a £999 option or part of a £5000 carbon pack 😆
It seems to me like Frank often sets the bar for design language wherever he works, and when he leaves they struggle to know how to progress it. Look at MINI, they have really struggled moving the design language on. Or Fiat with the 500 (the new electric one finally progresses it). Looks to me like McLaren are struggling to move it on, it’s a nice car but is it enough progression? Not sure. Just looks like another McLaren.
Man I have been getting into these car design videos. Would love to see one porsche gt3 and lambo sto.
I love the pillars in the back, the way they join the body.
The headlamps remind me of the Senna, which I don’t like very much.
Other than that: great design!
Amazing video as always, Frank! I couldn't agree more with you about the taillights. Cars like the Artura (and Chiron) would be much more attractive in the rear if they followed your P1 taillight design where the light is integrated into the existing outline of the rear. I hope McLaren (and others) are taking notes from your channel!
I agree, I give this McLaren a solid 9. Mclaren nailed the design with some room for improvement. Love watching your urinalysis.
can you do some race cars? like integrating the design with the functional parts or something
The render of Mclaren models in the beginning is wrong. That's a 570 not a 675LT. But awesome video 👏
This car is basically the same since the mp4-12c with small changes and various model ranges. Basically like the 911. But porsche gave its car a name. Mclaren gives confusing names, often unrelated. They should give their supercar a generic name. I end up forgetting the name of half of these mclarens
At first sight, when I see the car, it feels like it lacks emotion. Turns out for me it is that green lime that ruins it.
And yeah totally agree on the rear design is too bland because of that horizontal light. Could be done better.
Superb and enjoyable content to start my day, thanks Frank 👍
Hope you can deliver the BMW iX design critique next. I bet it would be fun to watch
iX4? i4? iX?
I mean the iX 😉 Sorry for the confussion
I don't like that most modern cars front is designed to look angry, aggresive, with lines resembling too evident human or animal face expressions. I think you can get an imponent, intimidating presence with more calm looking designs or at least not so animal-like. One example to this could be the Aston Martin vantage from the 90s. Greetings
I disagree about the organic McLaren logo versus the squared off logo on the front of the hood. If you've ever owned one of these cars you know that you need that large squared off logo to push the frunk closed without pressing on the paint.
Frank, please do an analysis of the C8 Corvette - one of the most controversial designs of the past few years.
Love the Atura design!
Would love your opinion on the McLaren Sabre?
What I don't like about the front end are those bottom side intakes (not the ones connected to headlights).
If you've seen the latest Joker movie where he puts two index fingers in his mouth to force-stretch a smile, that's what this is reminding me of. Force-stretched.
I think the 570S had a much better front-bottom part, but I guess McLaren had to change it somehow, and they didn't do a good job of it.
Critique suggestions for upcoming videos: Civic type R and any Koenigsegg
I bet he doesn’t like the civic. 🤔 I kinda like it.
@@iFuff that's exactly why I suggested it, like the new 4 series with the bad nose. I want to know what's going through a designer's head when designing something controversial like that.
@@sammyhtb I get you. I feel some designs are just trend analysis and decorative.
I'll be really happy to see design review on the t50
Woah, they made forza horizon cars in real life!
Thanks! I agree with most of your tweaks, although I don’t mind the mesh. The flying buttresses at the rear of the greenhouse are reminiscent of the Maserati Merak. By the way, how’s that Taiwanese whiskey behind you?
Kinda Chuck, but much more like Ferrari’s 599 flying buttresses. Mesh is only good for pesky flys and mosquitoes in my book. This specific Kavalan is great, almost bourbonesque!
@@FrankStephensondesign I forgot about the 599. The local dealership has been closed off due to Covid for so long that I haven't seen one in a while. ;-)
I actually like the rear mesh. It has a 3D surface that keeps it interesting and the way the cell edges change from the top to the bottom of the mesh is pretty cool. It also matches the mesh at the top of the engine, which keeps everything neat and cohesive.
Sure César but what is the purpose of using mesh there?
@@FrankStephensondesign it allows to see through the engine.
Arturo gatti is what comes to my mind
I really like the mclaren 650s design
Don't you want clean airflow into the side intake? The Side mirrors seem to be somewhat in the way. Maybe you want turbulent lower pressure flow (don't understand cars that well) but even if it didn't really matter, smaller/slicker higher mounted side mirrors would look better IMO
When people ask how do you describe Frank ?
Sensual 😂
I will admit,when it first launched 4 months or so ago,I wasn't convinced.perhaps it 2as the launch color that put me off but I saw a picture of it in a bright red which I kinda prefer a dark red like nerello red or volcano red but I'm in love with the design.it has similarities on the side of the emira which I also love.
Frank,even if you may never personally read this,thank you for giving back with your expertise.
In my opinion,going full EV is a mistake.If you listen to something like a Pagani Huyara R or novitec 812 N-Largo it's the soul stirring emotions that only the sound of a ICE engine like a f12 or similar that no matter how fast,how efficient an EV is in comparison.an EV will NEVER HAVE.it will be incapable of replacing it.
I love your work man,I'm an amateur designer and I feel that coming up with multiple design languages that are unique is a difficult thing.
I have noticed that there are certain elements that are consistent with my designs but I try changing that certain element and in my eye it doesn't seem to look proper.
I have always struggled with perspective and 3D drawing but I'm decent at side profile.
I'm 37 btw.
If I were to say any kind of design influences I have it would be the F40,F50,DB9,Countach,corvettes,Pagani Huyara and Zonda,288 GTO,250 LM,Enzo
I'm also not ignorant of things like aerodynamics but I would like to see what your take is on a Pagani or Koenigsegg.I realize they don't have a long history on which to draw on but the new Countach that Lamborghini is developing.I think from the picture I have seen it's taking some inspiration from the LP400.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Frank you have lived many a car enthusiasts dream,you are blessed and I hope god is continually good to you
0:05 - that on the left side is not Frank. It's Bond. James Bond.
the mclaren p1 is one of the best if not the best ass in the automotive world
For the most part, I think it looks really nice but there are just a few lines that could be smoothed out and then it would be perfect.
Imagine instead of the mesh or prison cell using multiple horizontal stripes that follow the direction of the curvature of the diffuser housing and the rear body, smoothly blending between the contours like waves or something, that would've been pretty sick
Looking forward to the release of the McLaren Fwank.
The P1 looks better in my eyes or like a version after the Artura
Not sure about those rear lights either. Can’t wait to hear this car, all new v6 should be interesting.
Frank Stephenson - God of Thunder, car designer..... and RUclipsr??
"But those are precisely the kind of people we have to eliminate from the gene pool" that roast was insane
6:40 - That area improves the performance of the car, because it reduces the drag (the air stream is being redirected far from the wheel spokes) and helps to stabilize the air stream, which typically gets turbulent at the moment it reaches the rotating tyres that try to push the coming air stream against the road, thus create lift and drag.
The new McLaren hypercar (the successor to the P1) will be unveiled on October 6. I will be very interested to hear what you have to say about its design.
ART + NATURE= ARTURA, something like that.
I don't know where the A comes, My name doesn't exist with an A, it is Arturo, but yeah I have to agree , really good comments.
what about the new Ford Team Fordzilla ? would love to hear the comments on it.
I only agree with the logo in the front :P Nice critique
It's interesting regarding the mesh topic. I've always seen it more as a way to keep unwanted debris and elements out, such as leaves and whatnot. I completely agree that people who stick their hands in deserve the following burnmark as a reminder of their stupidity.
Simultaneously, I don't mind mesh when the airflow is deliberately meant to be restricted - this is more often relevant in the frontal part and intakes, where mesh design can be used to enhance the overall aesthetic of the car's visual appearance (more techy, more classic, more product design, or something else entirely).
I think for the Artura, the biggest criticism I'd give, is that McLaren overall are slowly risking falling into the trap of overfamiliarizing their vehicle lineup, to the point where each model and update looks so similar that people start to lose interest in the individual car, because it doesn't manage to make a name for itself. This is something that more and more brands are starting to suffer from today, where family feeling has become such a dominant trend. It's always desirable that people can recognize a car's brand purely from a glance, but there is a fine line where if you cross it, the individual car itself starts to lose its own personal brand value and ends up becoming forgettable - which in the long run hurts the brand image of the company. It's like taking a Jaguar E-Type. Yes you know it as a Jaguar, but you also know it purely as the E-Type. The car can stand on its own regardless of the brand behind the name attached. The individual model has its own purpose and soul. And I don't find that soul in the Artura, simply because McLaren has done too much of the same approach for too long. First the P1, and later the 720 was a breath of fresh air, and McLaren needs more of that.
Thanks for you comments Frank, you're the only person seriously analysing design in this way on RUclips and these cars live and die by design as much as performance!
The two areas of the design that I take issue with are:
1) The heavy edge treatment on the side intakes, wouldn't that be better softer to avoid distracting from the other curves nearby?
2) The roof/ B pillars. From the rear 3/4 view is seems a bit bubble like, almost as if the car has been inflated. You can get a similar sense in the Lotus Evora and the Noble M600. The original 570s has this while the 570GT with it's rear hatch glass was very different and (to me) more resolved. It seems to lack tension compared to say the Ferarri 458 in this area.
What do you make of this aspect?
Thanks once again
Excellent remarks! Subbed
Would’ve subbed again for that 10 to Honda E, love how it looks very much
Why mesh, Frank? Think how much cheaper it is, even a single unit price difference. Project that over a whole years worth of manufacture... Precisely the type of people we don't need in the gene-pool in control of the asylum's purse-strings.
The end result is morbid mediocrity.
NB: Your 'blades' idea is beautiful. Would really tie-in the diffuser, stop it looking like tacked-on aero. These mesh-grilles with the progressive scale cut-outs are REALLY gonna date these cars down the line. Everyone is doing it, from Peugeot to Ferrari to Mercedes.
Bless you I do really enjoy your videos, some real quality content.
Great deconstruction of the design as always. Personally think this car looks like a mashup of all the previous mclarens. The front remidns me of the 720s combined with the headlight area from the 650s. rear is again like a mix of 570s and 720s and the side is like the 600LT. Wish Mclaren wouldnt play it so safe. Even though the car doesnt look bad. As Frank says, it is evolutionary not revolutionary. Which might not necessarily be a bad thing, but in this case the Artura seems like another forgettable model in the mclaren range. Kinda wish they made something with similar shock value as when the P1 came out. But again, personal opinion. Great video :)
I love the shape. It feels powerful. I agree 100% with Mr. Stephenson. Ultimately very clean shape and not too much decoration. It looks purposeful. Very soft iteration on an already beautiful car.