As an American, I recently traveled in Ireland for a few months, and visited hundreds of churches. It seemed in most towns and cities, large and small, CoI and RC churches are right next to each other. Almost invariably, the RC church was wide open and there were people there praying, and there was mass nearly everyday. The CoI church next door was always locked up, with services just on Sunday.
That is changing...and it's going to change even more. In some RCC dioceses they will create like the COI, union of parishes because of low attendance and old priests.
If the Church of Ireland has to give up some of their many pre-Reformation church buildings because the small congregations can no longer sustain them, I hope they return them to the original owner, the Roman Catholic Church. I think that would enliven these churches. I assume they would want these churches to continue to be used for prayer and worship rather than becoming musuems.
I wish you would talk more about older history... especially the ancient churches like Ancient Church of the East. I am also interested in the internal structures and conflicts in the East Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Catholic, and other Churches, and also denominations that no longer exist.
I'm thoroughly enjoying this series on religion. I was raised Lutheran & joined the Catholic Church at university & love learning about these other religion & their developments throughout history.
Ussher was also the author of the Irish Articles, which lended themselves to the formulation of the Westminster Confession of 1647. He was also invited to the Westminster Assembly, but could not attend (possibly due to length of journey and age).
I come from a long line of Church of Ireland bishops, including two archbishops of Dublin and I'm an Orthodox priest and happy to hear of Orthodoxy's growth!
The Anglican "bishops" have niether valid form or intention. Orthodox orders of course, are valid though the various churches are in a state schizm. You would be interested in the great number of Anglican ministers, including "bishops" who are becoming Catholic. Currently, in the UK, 10% of all Catholic priests are former Anglican clergy. They are jumping, and jumping quickly as they realise where the truth lies.
@@dougy6237 Yes, I am aware of CoE ministers becoming Catholic, but no, I'm not particularly interested in it, since I don't believe the Roman Catholic Church to be the fulness of the Christian faith, although I wish you God's every blessing.
@@AmericanwrCymraeg Christ promised his church, would teach his truth, in his name, until the end. For Christ to be not lying, the church is one, identifiable, infallible, and continuing until the end. You will find the following site of great assistance: Catholic Answers. Peace be with your spirit.
The Holy Bible is truth, and how many follow its holy words. All the demoninations have their own ways, but how many ways are truely bibical. Baby Sprinkling of water on a baby is not bibical, JESUS was dedicated to Almighty God in the temple, he was not sprinkled with water. 2. BAPTISM IS GO8NG DOWN UNDER THE WATER, JESUS SHOWED US IN THE RIVER JORDAN, Should we not obey JESUS. There is no Conformation serominy in the scriptures, IT is nice, but not bibical. BAPTISM IS GOING UNDER THE WATERS, TAKING YOUR VOWS TO JESUS, DIEING TO YOUR OLD LIFE, AND COMMING UP OUT IF THE WATERS, TO YOUR NEW BIRTH I N CHRIST JESUS. Isnt this exactly what Christ told Nicadeamous, YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN. Then why does the Anglian Church of Ireland not do what Jesus said, instead if their own woke agreements. Winifred Thompson. Northern Ireland. @@AmericanwrCymraeg
@@k-v-d1795 What he’s saying is that they worship with a more Protestant style service of Morning Prayer (similar to a Church of Scotland Service), but a high view (a more traditionally Catholic view) of the Church’s place in society and it’s administration, as well as the sacraments.
I noticed that the churchmanship trends of many Anglican provinces are the opposite of whatever the liturgical trends are in that country. So for instance, Ireland's Catholic majority is contrasted by the (Anglican) Church of Ireland's more Reformed tendencies. Scotland's Presbyterian majority is contrasted by the Scottish Episcopal Church's more liturgical worship, no doubt influenced by the Non-Juror schism. The Episcopal Church, with America's evangelical majority, is much higher church than, say, the Church of England or the Church of Ireland which are more evangelical. Hell, the current Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby prays in tongues.
12:50 The reason for JND leaving the CofI is that the CofI Archbishop of Dublin at the time tried to impose oaths of allegiance to Britain on Catholic converts. Darby objected to this and ultimately resigned his curacy.
How right JND was in opposing this awful political imposition on the spiritual. A strange but godly man and one of the best theological minds ever to emerge in the church of Jesus Christ.
One thing I've never understood about Anglicans (and other high church protestant communions) is how they logically justify being separate from the Pope in Rome, but 'in communion' with the see of Canterbury without being subservient to him? If he has no juridical authority over the CoI, why be in communion with him? What the point of 'communion' if one church essentially has nothing to do with one another?
According to Anglican theology, each bishop has the same authority. Some, by virtue of heading sees of historical importance, have places of higher honor and prestige, but not formal authority We should seek to be in communion because we should seek to be in unity
The point of communion is that these independent churches have much in common. If Anglicanism were to resemble Roman Catholicism, it would have a central governance structure dominated numerically by English bishops with nominal representation from other countries and that structure would set the rules for others. That system was needed when the Catholic Church purported and previously told people how to run their lives. Anglicanism is just about spirituality.
It's basically the church of the Anglo-Irish (those Irish descended from English settlers), the Catholics represent the native Irish and some Anglo-Irish who didn't like the reformation or have gone native and the Presbyterians represent the Ulster-Scots (the descendants of Lowland Scottish colonists). These groups don't necessarily set political views (there have always been more than a few Irish Catholics with a family history of loyalty and service to or a personal sympathy for Britain and likewise plenty of Anglo-Irish are pretty fully integrated within the republic and think of themselves as Irish first and foremost) but they do predict them pretty well.
Only because catholics dont read the bible. My family is catholic. I prefer COI cuz no pedo priests, bible is respected, and no blasphemous Mary worship/idolatry
I came here because I just found out both my paternal great grandparents were born in Dublin and that my paternal grandmother was chirstened a protestant. interesting stuff herw
Only issue with this video is the idea that Ireland joined the UK willingly. Never happened. It was a colony always was you can tell by the way the UK treated its irish citizens when they were supposedly United with the UK.
And to a degree this also applies to the union between Scotland and England. Not a Union of equals but an opportunity at the outset for the junior partner to be part of the building of an empire and enjoy the benefits of an industrial and economic revolution that did benefit, as it did in England, some people.
Not quite. Céilí Dé were christian communities that formed around Ionan monasteries, there is no 'Culdee Church'. It would be more accurate to describe it as Gaelic or Celtic Christianity, or just Irish Orthodox. It was always affiliated with the rest of the Western Nicean churches and recognised Rome as Patriarch, but not under direct control of Rome, each diocese . In the 12th Century the Gregorian reforms united and centralised the Western Churches to bring about what we call the Roman Catholic Church. The Norman invasion and the Lordship of Ireland (King of England as a vassal of Rome) was when papal control was established. There is a continuous succession of Celtic Churches > Catholic Church in Ireland > Church of Ireland, most parishes have their origins 1500 years ago.
The Celtic Church was just an Irish insular version of the Catholic Church. It was organised into monasteries instead of dioceses as that was how the villages were (small walled villages). St Patrick was sent by the Pope to Ireland, all our liturgy was Latin etc. In the Council of Whitby in the 5th century (in England) we agreed to change our date of Easter to the same as Rome because we followed the Pope. The Church of Ireland was the state church of the Establishment and oppressors, the British. Anglicans under Henry VIII broke away from the Catholic Church, there were no other denominations at the time (apart from Orthodox who broke away in 1054).
Patrick was not Catholic in his theology. Nor had he been commissioned by any pope. None of his surviving writings make any reference to Catholic doctrine such as confessing to priests, praying to the dead, venerating Mary etc. Catholicism boasts that it never changes, and that it's formal acknowledgement of a doctrine is simply recognition of a truth always believed. Patrick was a bible believing Christian.
Most of whats written is norma but factually inaccurate. In Scotland a legal entity called the Culdean Church sold off the last of its properties ( somewhere between Perth and St Andrews I think) to the Catholics…this was in late 16th or very early 17th century…Its usually said that this sale was because the Culdee community couldnt sustain property or obtain new monk/priests Apologies its a long time since I learnt of this and its accurate to say Iona had Culdees on it when Colmba arrived and is why he went there and was a stronghold of Culdee’s who were the inheritors of whatever Scottish Druidism was
Honestly waiting for an EC Church to set up shop here (partial to the Byzantine Rite, especially Melkite, Ukrainian, Russian, or Ruthenian). We have EO presences here both Ecumenical and and MosPat, but I’m Latin Rite and uncomfortable with jumping the fence just for the liturgy. English liturgies would be best here since many can understand it.
@@AI-hx3fxlook up Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. They do mass on sundays in dublin and other counties. Byzantine Rite. Some prayers are in english too.
Most Irish people don't feel like that. The Republic of Ireland is tolerant of all faiths these days. A number of Irish Anglicans were prominent Irish nationalists in their time. The past is the past, it can be learnt from, but I don't believe it's healthy to dwell on past bitter disagreements. Irish protestants from the Republic of Ireland are 100% Irish these days. It wasn't always thus; but they're so assimilated now, and don't generally feel British at all. Obviously it's very different in Northern Ireland. The situation in Northern Ireland is complicated!
Its direct analogue in the US, at least within the Anglican Communion, is the Episcopal Church (Protestant Episcopal Church of the United States of America, PECUSA). As to a similar church in terms of beliefs and the like, that I’m not sure.
The Reformed Episcopal Church would be the closest. It's a founding church of the Anglican Church In America, and is historically a very Reformed and low church Anglican denomination, though higher church REC churches now exist.
@@nintendonut100 REC is a wonderful denomination full of Bible Churches. They stick to the Word. However, as far as Anglicanism goes, they are no longer “low church” Anglican. REC is very Anglo-Catholic now.
At the most recent Synod, the Church of Ireland voted to not baptise the children of unmarried parents. Watch its numbers drop even more quickly than heretofore. Imagine if a tennis club or a golf club banned the children of unmarried parents. Membership would suffer.
Good to learn about other Christian organizations and how their beliefs, as structured by the Bible, operate. I don't know much about European Christian aspects. In the USA we do not consider ourselves to be Prodestant. Generally because the Pope has no special dispensation. For all are the same in the eyes of God. Be ye neither Roman nor Greek. Jew nor Gentile for all are the same in God's eyes. The proper name is Evangelical. With a basis of, we are silent where God's word is silent, and, speak where God's word speaks. All others things can be referred to Matthew 22:21. "Render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's. And render unto God what is God's." To separate earthly things from heavenly things. Another thing is tithing, which is often connected to 10%. There is nothing wrong about the 10% concept. It's just there is no requirements so stated. Only you should have discernment as to what your needs are. Remember one of the women of the New Testament gave a single mite. A coin that had less value than any currency at any time of history. All the Apostles scoffed her for giving a mite. Jesus rebuked all the Apostles by saying she was blessed because she gave all she had to God. Regardless of the fact that what she gave was miniscule. She gave everything she had to give. Another reference is 2 Corinthians 9:7; "Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." Mathew 10:42 (ESV) "Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work." To give into your own heart and do so freely. Looking forward to more knowledge of God's creation on earth.
The Anglican organisation in Ireland stole Catholic Churches and persecuted, fined, and murdered the Catholic population. They drove priests and bishop underground, like animals on the run. Worth looking up is the story of St Oliver Plunkett, bishop and martyr. In each Irish town, these stolen Catholic churches now see a few Protestants trickle in each Sunday, while up the road the newer Catholic churches are full. Was it all worth it.
Science is always tested under a presupposition toward longer than 6000 years ago. Two questions, would the dating remain the same if all calculations came from a 6000 year ago beginning? And, who knows what the rates of expansion, isotope decay, etc were at the beginning of time? These start points are already skewed because they can never start at a perfectly definitive point of origin and so cannot be definitively proven. Easier to prove creation over evolution.
The Roman Catholic Church was founded by Jesus. The Church of Ireland was founded by an English monarch As my Irish father said “They could not beat,starve or hang the truth faith out of us. Never give it up on your own”
Christianity evolved slowly after Jesus, first in Asia Minor, then in Rome. All Christian churches follow interpretations of Christ’s teaching. These interpretations differ depending on how their leaders, over time, view the Trinity, the Eucharist, the accuracy of holy texts, the role of women is the church, whether priests can marry, their acceptance of gay members and gay priests, sexual morality. It is a conceit for any of these to purport to be the true church and that that the others are wrong just as it would to suggest that all other religions are wrong as indeed it is wrong for any one religion to claim itself to be the true one and all others wrong.
Irish monks were active in the Christianization of England. And they brought whisky to Scotland. So we should remember that missionaries were often in countries other than their birth. Which makes it a little less of a national Church
Irish are roman Catholic before that druids before English forced Catholic roman reglion on Ireland druids are the nature of the irish celtic druids mixed with vikings
@KMartin-jf5kw 1155 when England got permission of pipor to invade Ireland because they still druids beliefs and Catholic u di know English took over Ireland 800 yeRs years to get rid of druids beliefs in church lol ( The Last Druid) Ben Mcbrady
@KMartin-jf5kw lol. Have u got mental health issues lol Romans took over England Wales brought Catholic reglion to Britain first lol Ireland never invaded by Romans St Patrick brought Catholic reglion to Ireland was still druids thetr till 1155 when England asked pope of Catholic Church to invade Ireland because still had druid beliefs they conquered Ireland for 800 years lol Irish acutely slaves from Oliver Cromwell during slave trade sent them ti carribeen Islands and then America lol England took over Ireland threw causing the great famine and Irish slave trade Ireland never invaded other countries lol u full shilling
@KMartin-jf5kw maybe u need help with your history lol Irish are Catholic threw England who changed reglion in 1500 threw Henry 8th because he couldn't get a divorce he whipped out over half of England to change his reglion from Catholic to protestant whipped out villages children women all over England bless ya u don't know history church of England protestant
@KMartin-jf5kw lol are u serious lol Irish were druids Romans invaded Britain not Ireland the irish are celtic same as British same language gealic same tribes there no such thing as English or England till after Romans they are Norman's and ango saxons German French lol why di people make uo history dint know what there talking about irish people moved to Scotland before English lived in Britain English inslaved the irish in carribeen Islands along with blacks and in usa 300 000 adults and thousands of adults irish had no slaves the vikings brought British slaves ti Ireland and sold them across the world vikings are not irish they were Norwegian they had slavery ports st Patrick was kidnapped by vikings in Ireland he from Wales he brought Catholic reglion to Ireland and pope ruled Britain after Romans England changed reglion ti protestant in 1500 Henry 8th couldn't get a divorce in 1155 the English asked the pope to invade Ireland as they still had druid beliefs please stop been rude ti irish people who know there own history British invaded Ireland took there lands and caused a famine please look up Cromwell and irish fought Americans civil war fir freedom against the brits
@KMartin-jf5kweveryone knows that English ruled Ireland for 800 years if u take oj fact that northern Ireland still ruled by Britain 1000 years excuse me but there's no church of Ireland church came from Britain Romans never invaded Ireland only British and Norwegians vikings invaded Ireland tge irish are spainish and Portuguese the brits who are Welsh and Scottish are mixed with irish dna wakes had an Irish king before Romans lol English invasions not that long ago lol English alsi had spainish king
As an American, I recently traveled in Ireland for a few months, and visited hundreds of churches. It seemed in most towns and cities, large and small, CoI and RC churches are right next to each other. Almost invariably, the RC church was wide open and there were people there praying, and there was mass nearly everyday. The CoI church next door was always locked up, with services just on Sunday.
That could well be simply an issue of numbers. In the Republic of Ireland there are far far fewer Anglicans than Catholics
That is changing...and it's going to change even more. In some RCC dioceses they will create like the COI, union of parishes because of low attendance and old priests.
That’s just the lack of numbers. My local CoI church has a tiny congregation, so the church just sits there locked up most of the time.
At the rate Africans and Arabs are flooding into Ireland, the country will be predominantly Muslim very soon ...
If the Church of Ireland has to give up some of their many pre-Reformation church buildings because the small congregations can no longer sustain them, I hope they return them to the original owner, the Roman Catholic Church. I think that would enliven these churches. I assume they would want these churches to continue to be used for prayer and worship rather than becoming musuems.
I wish you would talk more about older history... especially the ancient churches like Ancient Church of the East. I am also interested in the internal structures and conflicts in the East Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Catholic, and other Churches, and also denominations that no longer exist.
"Ireland has had a problem with alcohol." THAT was a masterpiece of understatement!
Addiction seems to be a problem worldwide,
All countries have same as Americana this guy talking nonsense am irish no such thing as church of Ireland
@KMartin-jf5kw You probably don’t get to see them much. I hear that it’s a long way to Tipperary.
@@audreyroche9490 The audacity of ignorance.
Good video, I would love to see more foriegn denomation videos.
Non-American I think you mean.
I'm thoroughly enjoying this series on religion. I was raised Lutheran & joined the Catholic Church at university & love learning about these other religion & their developments throughout history.
Ussher was also the author of the Irish Articles, which lended themselves to the formulation of the Westminster Confession of 1647. He was also invited to the Westminster Assembly, but could not attend (possibly due to length of journey and age).
Can you do a video on the church of Sweden?
I come from a long line of Church of Ireland bishops, including two archbishops of Dublin and I'm an Orthodox priest and happy to hear of Orthodoxy's growth!
The Anglican "bishops" have niether valid form or intention. Orthodox orders of course, are valid though the various churches are in a state schizm. You would be interested in the great number of Anglican ministers, including "bishops" who are becoming Catholic. Currently, in the UK, 10% of all Catholic priests are former Anglican clergy. They are jumping, and jumping quickly as they realise where the truth lies.
@@dougy6237 Yes, I am aware of CoE ministers becoming Catholic, but no, I'm not particularly interested in it, since I don't believe the Roman Catholic Church to be the fulness of the Christian faith, although I wish you God's every blessing.
@@AmericanwrCymraeg Christ promised his church, would teach his truth, in his name, until the end. For Christ to be not lying, the church is one, identifiable, infallible, and continuing until the end. You will find the following site of great assistance: Catholic Answers. Peace be with your spirit.
@@dougy6237 Thank you, and I'm familiar with the website, but I still disagree. May God lead us both in all truth.
The Holy Bible is truth, and how many follow its holy words. All the demoninations have their own ways, but how many ways are truely bibical. Baby Sprinkling of water on a baby is not bibical, JESUS was dedicated to Almighty God in the temple, he was not sprinkled with water. 2. BAPTISM IS GO8NG DOWN UNDER THE WATER, JESUS SHOWED US IN THE RIVER JORDAN, Should we not obey JESUS. There is no Conformation serominy in the scriptures, IT is nice, but not bibical. BAPTISM IS GOING UNDER THE WATERS, TAKING YOUR VOWS TO JESUS, DIEING TO YOUR OLD LIFE, AND COMMING UP OUT IF THE WATERS, TO YOUR NEW BIRTH I N CHRIST JESUS. Isnt this exactly what Christ told Nicadeamous, YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN. Then why does the Anglian Church of Ireland not do what Jesus said, instead if their own woke agreements. Winifred Thompson. Northern Ireland. @@AmericanwrCymraeg
The Church of Ireland tend to be liturgically Low Church but doctrinal High Church (with high view of Church and Sacraments).
Nonsensical.
@@k-v-d1795 What he’s saying is that they worship with a more Protestant style service of Morning Prayer (similar to a Church of Scotland Service), but a high view (a more traditionally Catholic view) of the Church’s place in society and it’s administration, as well as the sacraments.
@@graysonmyers3137 like the Charismatic Movement inside the Catholic Church?
@@danielbruceagra9022 not really, think protestant in a more Methodist style fashion
I noticed that the churchmanship trends of many Anglican provinces are the opposite of whatever the liturgical trends are in that country. So for instance, Ireland's Catholic majority is contrasted by the (Anglican) Church of Ireland's more Reformed tendencies. Scotland's Presbyterian majority is contrasted by the Scottish Episcopal Church's more liturgical worship, no doubt influenced by the Non-Juror schism.
The Episcopal Church, with America's evangelical majority, is much higher church than, say, the Church of England or the Church of Ireland which are more evangelical. Hell, the current Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby prays in tongues.
Always wondered, thank you for the clarity
Thanks for this video. Really appreciated it!
You should do a video on the Presbyterian church in ireland
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So Book of Common Order
vs
Book of Common Prayer.
Now please tell us about Scotland:
About Jenny Geddes' *prayer stool* .
12:50 The reason for JND leaving the CofI is that the CofI Archbishop of Dublin at the time tried to impose oaths of allegiance to Britain on Catholic converts. Darby objected to this and ultimately resigned his curacy.
How right JND was in opposing this awful political imposition on the spiritual. A strange but godly man and one of the best theological minds ever to emerge in the church of Jesus Christ.
One thing I've never understood about Anglicans (and other high church protestant communions) is how they logically justify being separate from the Pope in Rome, but 'in communion' with the see of Canterbury without being subservient to him? If he has no juridical authority over the CoI, why be in communion with him? What the point of 'communion' if one church essentially has nothing to do with one another?
According to Anglican theology, each bishop has the same authority. Some, by virtue of heading sees of historical importance, have places of higher honor and prestige, but not formal authority
We should seek to be in communion because we should seek to be in unity
This is more like the Eastern Orthodox Churches that have separate, Autocephalous. national Churches that have intercommunion.
The point of communion is that these independent churches have much in common. If Anglicanism were to resemble Roman Catholicism, it would have a central governance structure dominated numerically by English bishops with nominal representation from other countries and that structure would set the rules for others. That system was needed when the Catholic Church purported and previously told people how to run their lives. Anglicanism is just about spirituality.
Amen
It's interesting that the church of Ireland serves so few people in Ireland
It's regional. It is quite high in some areas.
Mid ulster?
@@youser1093 A lot of Anglicans in Dublin too I think.
Ironic how it's far from being the main church in Ireland
Same thing I found that bit odd too.
It's basically the church of the Anglo-Irish (those Irish descended from English settlers), the Catholics represent the native Irish and some Anglo-Irish who didn't like the reformation or have gone native and the Presbyterians represent the Ulster-Scots (the descendants of Lowland Scottish colonists). These groups don't necessarily set political views (there have always been more than a few Irish Catholics with a family history of loyalty and service to or a personal sympathy for Britain and likewise plenty of Anglo-Irish are pretty fully integrated within the republic and think of themselves as Irish first and foremost) but they do predict them pretty well.
@@vorynrosethorn903 yes
Only because catholics dont read the bible. My family is catholic. I prefer COI cuz no pedo priests, bible is respected, and no blasphemous Mary worship/idolatry
I came here because I just found out both my paternal great grandparents were born in Dublin and that my paternal grandmother was chirstened a protestant. interesting stuff herw
If you stayed Catholic and didn't relent to the English, you suffered...
So I guess those thousands of Irish protestants just committed mass suicide?
@@geordiewishart1683 that doesn't refute the fact that Catholics suffered much more....
Only issue with this video is the idea that Ireland joined the UK willingly. Never happened. It was a colony always was you can tell by the way the UK treated its irish citizens when they were supposedly United with the UK.
And to a degree this also applies to the union between Scotland and England. Not a Union of equals but an opportunity at the outset for the junior partner to be part of the building of an empire and enjoy the benefits of an industrial and economic revolution that did benefit, as it did in England, some people.
@KMartin-jf5kw I did not use the word colony.
Regarding the history, is the ancient Celtic church the same to what is sometimes referred to as the Culdee church?
Not quite. Céilí Dé were christian communities that formed around Ionan monasteries, there is no 'Culdee Church'. It would be more accurate to describe it as Gaelic or Celtic Christianity, or just Irish Orthodox.
It was always affiliated with the rest of the Western Nicean churches and recognised Rome as Patriarch, but not under direct control of Rome, each diocese .
In the 12th Century the Gregorian reforms united and centralised the Western Churches to bring about what we call the Roman Catholic Church. The Norman invasion and the Lordship of Ireland (King of England as a vassal of Rome) was when papal control was established.
There is a continuous succession of Celtic Churches > Catholic Church in Ireland > Church of Ireland, most parishes have their origins 1500 years ago.
The Celtic Church was just an Irish insular version of the Catholic Church. It was organised into monasteries instead of dioceses as that was how the villages were (small walled villages). St Patrick was sent by the Pope to Ireland, all our liturgy was Latin etc. In the Council of Whitby in the 5th century (in England) we agreed to change our date of Easter to the same as Rome because we followed the Pope. The Church of Ireland was the state church of the Establishment and oppressors, the British. Anglicans under Henry VIII broke away from the Catholic Church, there were no other denominations at the time (apart from Orthodox who broke away in 1054).
Patrick was not Catholic in his theology.
Nor had he been commissioned by any pope.
None of his surviving writings make any reference to Catholic doctrine such as confessing to priests, praying to the dead, venerating Mary etc.
Catholicism boasts that it never changes, and that it's formal acknowledgement of a doctrine is simply recognition of a truth always believed.
Patrick was a bible believing Christian.
Most of whats written is norma but factually inaccurate. In Scotland a legal entity called the Culdean Church sold off the last of its properties ( somewhere between Perth and St Andrews I think) to the Catholics…this was in late 16th or very early 17th century…Its usually said that this sale was because the Culdee community couldnt sustain property or obtain new monk/priests
Apologies its a long time since I learnt of this and its accurate to say Iona had Culdees on it when Colmba arrived and is why he went there and was a stronghold of Culdee’s who were the inheritors of whatever Scottish Druidism was
@@geordiewishart1683 That he was.
Have you done a video on the Anglican Church of Canada?
I would like to see a video on the Anglican Catholic Church.
I believe the members of U2 are in this church.
2 of the 4 and ones half church of Ireland half Catholic 👍
My ancestors were Church of Ireland and it's just a type of Anglicanism but tend to be lower theologically than the Church of England.
rip eastern catholics who continue being forgotten about when anglicans drop the rome word
Honestly waiting for an EC Church to set up shop here (partial to the Byzantine Rite, especially Melkite, Ukrainian, Russian, or Ruthenian). We have EO presences here both Ecumenical and and MosPat, but I’m Latin Rite and uncomfortable with jumping the fence just for the liturgy. English liturgies would be best here since many can understand it.
@@AI-hx3fxlook up Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. They do mass on sundays in dublin and other counties. Byzantine Rite. Some prayers are in english too.
I understand what it is, I understand why it is, but the term "Irish Anglican" will always feel illegal to me
Most Irish people don't feel like that. The Republic of Ireland is tolerant of all faiths these days. A number of Irish Anglicans were prominent Irish nationalists in their time. The past is the past, it can be learnt from, but I don't believe it's healthy to dwell on past bitter disagreements. Irish protestants from the Republic of Ireland are 100% Irish these days. It wasn't always thus; but they're so assimilated now, and don't generally feel British at all. Obviously it's very different in Northern Ireland. The situation in Northern Ireland is complicated!
Hallow church can I get any scholarship from church am In East Africa
Sounds like a good and faithful church. Is there a close equivalent in the USA?
Its direct analogue in the US, at least within the Anglican Communion, is the Episcopal Church (Protestant Episcopal Church of the United States of America, PECUSA). As to a similar church in terms of beliefs and the like, that I’m not sure.
I left the church of Ireland after being a choirboy and am now a preacher for the Church of Christ.
@@AI-hx3fx There are more conservative "continuing Anglican" churches in the US too.
The Reformed Episcopal Church would be the closest. It's a founding church of the Anglican Church In America, and is historically a very Reformed and low church Anglican denomination, though higher church REC churches now exist.
@@nintendonut100 REC is a wonderful denomination full of Bible Churches. They stick to the Word. However, as far as Anglicanism goes, they are no longer “low church” Anglican. REC is very Anglo-Catholic now.
At the most recent Synod, the Church of Ireland voted to not baptise the children of unmarried parents.
Watch its numbers drop even more quickly than heretofore.
Imagine if a tennis club or a golf club banned the children of unmarried parents. Membership would suffer.
"Irish Anglicans" somehow sound too Britannocentric, so I would rather call them "Hibernians".
You were a bit out of date with the GAFCON stuff but other than that very good!
Third Century is a challenge for truth being false. Book by Alvin Boyd kuhn is loved or hated.
Did they change their name to. The Anglican Church of Ireland ?
More Low Church than most and, perhaps a bit Methodist leaning . . . .
And thus a bit less Catholic than the Church of England and a bit more like the Lutheran churches in Scandinavia.
I believe that the king of England was already the head of the church in England, he just got rid of that inconvenient Pope thing.
Good to learn about other Christian organizations and how their beliefs, as structured by the Bible, operate. I don't know much about European Christian aspects. In the USA we do not consider ourselves to be Prodestant. Generally because the Pope has no special dispensation. For all are the same in the eyes of God. Be ye neither Roman nor Greek. Jew nor Gentile for all are the same in God's eyes. The proper name is Evangelical. With a basis of, we are silent where God's word is silent, and, speak where God's word speaks. All others things can be referred to Matthew 22:21. "Render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's. And render unto God what is God's." To separate earthly things from heavenly things. Another thing is tithing, which is often connected to 10%. There is nothing wrong about the 10% concept. It's just there is no requirements so stated. Only you should have discernment as to what your needs are. Remember one of the women of the New Testament gave a single mite. A coin that had less value than any currency at any time of history. All the Apostles scoffed her for giving a mite. Jesus rebuked all the Apostles by saying she was blessed because she gave all she had to God. Regardless of the fact that what she gave was miniscule. She gave everything she had to give. Another reference is 2 Corinthians 9:7; "Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." Mathew 10:42 (ESV) "Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work." To give into your own heart and do so freely.
Looking forward to more knowledge of God's creation on earth.
The Anglican organisation in Ireland stole Catholic Churches and persecuted, fined, and murdered the Catholic population. They drove priests and bishop underground, like animals on the run. Worth looking up is the story of St Oliver Plunkett, bishop and martyr. In each Irish town, these stolen Catholic churches now see a few Protestants trickle in each Sunday, while up the road the newer Catholic churches are full. Was it all worth it.
You have already uttered these ramblings
@@geordiewishart1683 Hmmm. It would appear your comments are being removed from the thread.
Science is always tested under a presupposition toward longer than 6000 years ago. Two questions, would the dating remain the same if all calculations came from a 6000 year ago beginning? And, who knows what the rates of expansion, isotope decay, etc were at the beginning of time? These start points are already skewed because they can never start at a perfectly definitive point of origin and so cannot be definitively proven. Easier to prove creation over evolution.
The Roman Catholic Church was founded by Jesus. The Church of Ireland was founded by an English monarch As my Irish father said “They could not beat,starve or hang the truth faith out of us. Never give it up on your own”
Jesus wasn't a Roman Catholic. He was Jewish.
Christianity evolved slowly after Jesus, first in Asia Minor, then in Rome. All Christian churches follow interpretations of Christ’s teaching. These interpretations differ depending on how their leaders, over time, view the Trinity, the Eucharist, the accuracy of holy texts, the role of women is the church, whether priests can marry, their acceptance of gay members and gay priests, sexual morality. It is a conceit for any of these to purport to be the true church and that that the others are wrong just as it would to suggest that all other religions are wrong as indeed it is wrong for any one religion to claim itself to be the true one and all others wrong.
Originally man isnt sinful just weak. God didnt make man with sin.
St. Patrick bids you, Sons of Ireland, to return home to the See of Rome.
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.
Viva Cristo Rey! ✝️ ❤️🔥🕊🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦
St Patrick was Catholic
And British
@@DaDoM123I thought he was Welsh. At that time Britain and England were a bunch of separate kingdoms, Mercia, Wessex , Northumbria etc.
Should be called church of ulster
It's already called the Church of Ireland.
You guys could do with a good Bible lesson. (A.V.)
Used to be apart of that believe system....With all do respect...its a joke. Totally politically founded. Im glad to to be home in thr RC Church
The RCC is also a political construct.
It's an English church, I would love to see a real Irish Protestant church. Viva the Celtic Church.
It was subjugated by the papists following the synod of Whitby.
@@geordiewishart1683 Yup. Its story needs to be told. Blessings.
Irish monks were active in the Christianization of England. And they brought whisky to Scotland. So we should remember that missionaries were often in countries other than their birth. Which makes it a little less of a national Church
@@Dilley_G45 Good point. Blessings.
Irish are roman Catholic before that druids before English forced Catholic roman reglion on Ireland druids are the nature of the irish celtic druids mixed with vikings
Whats the rubbish he coming out with
@KMartin-jf5kw 1155 when England got permission of pipor to invade Ireland because they still druids beliefs and Catholic u di know English took over Ireland 800 yeRs years to get rid of druids beliefs in church lol ( The Last Druid) Ben Mcbrady
@KMartin-jf5kw lol. Have u got mental health issues lol Romans took over England Wales brought Catholic reglion to Britain first lol Ireland never invaded by Romans St Patrick brought Catholic reglion to Ireland was still druids thetr till 1155 when England asked pope of Catholic Church to invade Ireland because still had druid beliefs they conquered Ireland for 800 years lol Irish acutely slaves from Oliver Cromwell during slave trade sent them ti carribeen Islands and then America lol England took over Ireland threw causing the great famine and Irish slave trade Ireland never invaded other countries lol u full shilling
@KMartin-jf5kw maybe u need help with your history lol Irish are Catholic threw England who changed reglion in 1500 threw Henry 8th because he couldn't get a divorce he whipped out over half of England to change his reglion from Catholic to protestant whipped out villages children women all over England bless ya u don't know history church of England protestant
@KMartin-jf5kw lol are u serious lol Irish were druids Romans invaded Britain not Ireland the irish are celtic same as British same language gealic same tribes there no such thing as English or England till after Romans they are Norman's and ango saxons German French lol why di people make uo history dint know what there talking about irish people moved to Scotland before English lived in Britain English inslaved the irish in carribeen Islands along with blacks and in usa 300 000 adults and thousands of adults irish had no slaves the vikings brought British slaves ti Ireland and sold them across the world vikings are not irish they were Norwegian they had slavery ports st Patrick was kidnapped by vikings in Ireland he from Wales he brought Catholic reglion to Ireland and pope ruled Britain after Romans England changed reglion ti protestant in 1500 Henry 8th couldn't get a divorce in 1155 the English asked the pope to invade Ireland as they still had druid beliefs please stop been rude ti irish people who know there own history British invaded Ireland took there lands and caused a famine please look up Cromwell and irish fought Americans civil war fir freedom against the brits
@KMartin-jf5kweveryone knows that English ruled Ireland for 800 years if u take oj fact that northern Ireland still ruled by Britain 1000 years excuse me but there's no church of Ireland church came from Britain Romans never invaded Ireland only British and Norwegians vikings invaded Ireland tge irish are spainish and Portuguese the brits who are Welsh and Scottish are mixed with irish dna wakes had an Irish king before Romans lol English invasions not that long ago lol English alsi had spainish king
False gospel still rely on good works which means no faith with the work of the cross.