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People thought Perulia meant OCG was banning Maxx C. It was just preparing the TCG for Maxx C to come back
I thought OCG can finally ban maxx C when all malchummy released, but TCG freeing maxx C instead dmight be possible too lol
@@invertbrid they're even going to reprint it in Speed Duels so... yeah that's a real possibility
@@invertbridif the announcement of August banlist is for Maxx C to come back instead of just banning Snakes, I'll seriously consider stopping buying meta, and troll with rogue/casual decks.
In TCG we have a way healthier card pool compared to OCG, and while I have fun in Master Duel where the roach is legal, it's severely limiting deck building
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@@babrad I never, ever resolve maxx-C in MD.
"We have Maxx "C" at home."
"I don't wanna have Maxx "C" at home :( "
I want the copium that anyone who thinks this is not a 6 Maxx C scenario in Master Duel if Maxx C is not banned. Putting yourself in a winning position in 50% of games is enough on its own to justify, yes the math checks out - you can get to Master 1 with a 50% win ratio which is the absolute WORST case scenario assuming you lose every one of your go first games. But if you really want more arguments:
- A dead card is mathematically not a detriment worth even considering. You only need a single starter for full combo, and then you can have 3 other live cards alongside a dead Maxx 3.
- Nibiru is a top used card despite how dead it is going first and even going second sometimes while Maxx 3 is even more impactful then Nibiru and will be dead far less going second.
- It's insurance if your combo is stopped. Most decks can pivot into SP > pass. Simply disrupting a monster play of your opponent's gets SP off the field or, worst case, they remove it with a S/T or go to BP and beat over it... in which case Maxx 3 is live... and they can't win that turn after BP... wait what exactly is the downside? lmao.
The downside is trivial. Yes, some of the greatest copium of all time.
"Then why did you order it??"
My heart skipped a beat thinking you could search this with Robina, then I saw "if you control no cards"
Normal robina. Use advent or swallows.
@leodeleon3990 this only works if you open robina eglen the spells and you're doing it in your turn so you wouldn't even be able to activate it on your opponents turn and if by the time your opponent outs your board and you CAN use it you're already dead.
@@IC-23after using advent drop this, then use rollback in GY to start a floo summon chain booking everything by banishing the floo trap after you got enough draws.
Now how rollback ends in gy? I don't know, but if someone did full fiendsmith combo on their turn to set up full Floo combo for my turn, I would just surrender out of respect.
Keep it in your back pocket if your opponent tries to completely clear your board.
Hey. Remember when CArdCar D was played in Yugioh?! :)
Maxx "C" put on a moustache really thinking he's slick
Thought he was sneaky
Dam sly insect!
The solution to the “going second problem” isn’t making a “balanced” hand trap or board breaker to counter broken stuff. It’s to redesign cards so that going first isn’t so fucking broken.
befor that works they would have to ban over 20 cards
@@seecrit436 good, ban those toxic ass cards
@@seecrit436not seeing the issue
Pokemon was so smart giving all supporters a once per turn clause. Alongside actual resource management, the first turn restrictions, and the power level of individual cards makes it so most decks aren't even swinging on T2 and games actually play out with interaction
@JamFlexx I mean a lot of Pokemon is extremely fast and has had plenty of uninteractive formats. I feel like Pokemon of all TCGs is a bad example.
they're gonna make the third one that draws for every summon from the gy and banish pile
"NORMAL or Special Summon a monster(s) from the Deck and/or Extra Deck"
Legit, normal summoning from the extra deck sounds like a lot of fun. I want it to happen. Tribute Summonable bosses from the extra sounds like it can be fun to design and play a deck around.
Mistranslaton
That's just links...
Ah.. so that the old succ fusion monster can be summened that's good
they just reused the other multichummys effects copied the text and switch some words out forgot to remove normal summon
They are going to balance it by giving it the Dragon Master Magia treatment: QCR only.
I like how this one is implying that you could NORMAL summon from the deck or Extradeck
I think this must be future proofing of some kind... It wouldn't be past Konami to make it happen considering some of their card design choices, but I get what you're saying it's very weird
Inb4 birbs 2.0
I wish! like why do most normal summon effects need you to add it reveal it then normal summon it
It's just mistranslated. It doesn't say "normal" in Japanese.
@@esrohm6460 yep in the future I can see Konami will make archetype that play around this card with normal summon from deck
Surely this will be a common in the TCG right?
Konami: 😉
Starlight only one per three cases
Only QCR
If all the planets align and the gods manifest themselves in the flesh and every Konami employee attains nirvana then it will be... An ultra.
Bro no it Will be secret hahaha
Did Josh see those leaked worlds TCG exclusives? There are a couple of serious Paleo support cards in there, including a 2 star Water that summons itself from the GY if you summon a trap as a monster and that allows you to quick Xyz during the BP.
He might have seen them but Yugi tubers have been banned or demonetized for talking about Leaks before they get officially revealed
Paleo support, Machine support, a new flip monster archetype... I think the yugitubers have formed a coalition within Konami
@@slayinderp7501I'm excited paleos have a good matchup against snake eyes and tenpai. All they need is a faster gameplan and more consistency.
It's honestly surreal how different the TCG and OCG view maxx "c"
The corps* OCG players also dislike Max C but its effectively a part of their game for years so they have no reason to complain a Lot
Really? Half the good ocg players hate max c too lol
Most OCG players hate Maxx C, but many of them also believe that its existence is necessary. And whenever these people see a new TCG ban list that completely ruins a deck they like, they blame the maxx C ban for it, and this further strengthens their belief that maxx C must exist.
@@aaaaajack I play OCG and we hate Maxx C as much as we hate Droll, Droplet, etc. TCG players assume OCG particularly hate it so much but it's as equally hated as a perfectly played hand trap.
False, @@FoxyGamerS2. They will even stop playing if Maxx gets ban.
everyone about to play those level 3s that summon to the other side of the field
You'll never get that far because they'll just shotgun these things in the draw phase
@@LReezy1992set 5 cards then
Those monsters r pretty good, sets up requirement to summon cyber dragon esk monsters and prevents imperm/gamma
Well we know 1/10 Secret Rares for ROTA now
Isn't this exactly what people were asking for with a Maxx "C" retrain and then some?
The way this is worded it punishes placing backrow along with special summoning hard. Since you get to keep as many as cards the opponent controls +6 and not monsters +6.
So if I saw summon swipe from the extra deck to make Crystal wing and then set one solemn, you get to keep both cards.
I mean if you end on crystal wing and set 3, your opponent won’t draw for those set cards but yes they’re allowed keep +6 in their hand
This is all fun for discussions and all that but the problem really starts when you end on a suboptimal board and your opponent has full combo and then some
There's a difference between making going second good and turn skipping the going first player... This card feels like the latter especially if paired with the other mulchummy
right since they not going to just have this card and every card they draw could be more handtraps and a 2nd one not even dead if you have two in hand since they effects stack
Good. Because fiendsmith snake eyes still turnskip you because you will lose 90% of the time going second against it
Kash engine will be really popular due to how it will dodge the wind-mulcharmy, it feels
i think this card is great, a bit powerful but still fair. its a floodgate for going second and going first always have access to crazy floodgate/counter after their combo. you can still play around it, and its specific situation you can still have a lot of handtrap and just a little board.
Eh. It remains to be seen. Even if you end with one monster on field, your opponent still got 2 draws and get another on theor draw phase and that's still a lot of possible engine.
If they keep doing major hits then you have less decks making boards that justify a card like this.
People can forget apo and ip getting banned since this card punishes having both on field
You won't use it in main deck. So I think it's not too powerful
Fuwaross is literally an Uno wild card that says "Don't use the Fiendsmith engine or I draw 6."
I see this as an absolute win.
Maybe the 3rd "Charmy" will have effect that draw cards if opponent special summon from GY or Banishment
most likly
Post side scenario 11:00 :
"Chain Maxx 3"
"Oh no... anyway, set skill drain anti spell.My turn now?"
Yugioh.
the balancing factor of these cards is that you need to draw the other half to help cover a certain decks playstyle
since i imagine there will be more with different effects covering like graveyard and maybe summon from backrow for those weird trap decks or what have you
point is instead of being a one card stop these are all supposed to be two card combo stops which in theory will be balanced because of that fact
now will it ACTUALLY be balanced around that fact we will have to see like you said but in concept a two card maxx c like archtype seems interesting
Finally an up to date podcast episode
If the Hand limit was 3+ the cards I wouldve said fine. If they only drew for every second summon I would've been fine. But this is too crazy
The answer is simple: Konami NEEDS to go all in on a game design. The problem with Yu-Gi-Oh, is the Extra Deck. There is just no way to balance it. You can't design a card that "deals" with the Extra Deck and have it be fair, because there will always be situations where said card is not fair. Modern Yu-Gi-Oh is just a broken game.
This is facts. There is reason they keep releasing band aids like handtraps and maxx C effects, and floodgates.
If they really want to fix YGO, might as well make new master rule that limit ppl action in a turn.
I think this good is good because decks have to simultaneously respect Nib and the Multcharmy cards. This forces combo decks like Snake-Eyes to make a fair end board. Because of the rise of going 2nd decks decks like Centurion, Tenpai, and Yubel Fiendsmith will be the best decks. Combo decks will still exist after Beatrice and Caesar are banned. But it will be decks like Spright variants that will keep them alive. We needed a card so that while people negate Nib they still have to respect something. Nib is so toxic that omni-negates are needed to support its existence. But if we want the TCG to become as healthy as the OCG we need a card almost as Impactful as Maxx C in a addition to a card like Nib to discourage people from making seemingly unbeatable boards. This is the easiest way to fix the game without banning over 1,000 cards. If allowing going 2nd to draw 3 or more cards fixes the game I'm all for it. It may even make decks like Exosisters, and Traptrix more than circumstantially good decks that only have a place in the game when the meta favors them.
I just think Nadir, aka Farfa, is onto something. Let's not make more handtraps with broken effects no matter how you balance the card for going 2nd decks to use. Let's make cards for archetypes moving forward that incentives or supports you going 2nd with the engines, mix of archetypes, and/or non-handtrap, non-engine cards you're running with great effects that helps them push against going 1st decks a little more harder, especially with the activated effects that would reduce the interactivity of your opponent's responses if the archetypes themselves aren't that great. That would be the better design approach of helping going 2nd decks thrive better. That also would bring Konami to be more open with the effects they make; for an example, instead of having you search or recycle a card, summon one of a theme or set of monsters, and/or disrupt the opponent's plays in many different ways provided that trades equally one another (ex. remove an opponent's card with your card that removes it), increase the number amount you search and/or recycle, summon, and/or disrupt the opponent's plays in multiple different ways with better value one card at a time (ex. like an archetypical Dark Ruler No More) through going 2nd. Dark Ruler No More was a fantastically designed card that keeps combo decks in check. More of that design will help make the game more healthy overall.
@@jvsonic2468 I agree but if we don't have them during certain formats we might be throwing away our only way to win. I was saying if we ban Veiler and Imperm and make at least 1 new once per turn version we can make the hand trap wars healthier. This also doesn't exclude hand trap enjoyers who don't prefer board breakers. Essentially the idea is to balance the hand trap wars instead of stopping them. The problem with that board breaker is whatever board breaker they come up with would need to be a mix of Dark Ruler and Evenly Matched because Konami has and will produce cards with weak stats. The only way make Dark Ruler work for example is cards like Garunix Eternity. The Multcharmy cards fixes it through deck building influence and doesn't make us wait for cards we might have to wait years for. If decks other than decks like Kashtira can't bust a combo decks board then they will lose as they slowly get out advantaged.
I agree, tho I don't think Caesar is getting banned, maybe beatrice
@@invertbrid My reasoning is handling the real problem is better than not allowing decks like Snake-Eye exist. If Apallousa is banned Konami can continue making decks consistent. There will always be a best deck. But if cards like Apallousa are banned combo decks won't be so powerful that we can't wait for other decks to catch up and be in a hurry for a ban list.
My main problem with the Snake-eye example is that forcing your opponent into I:P Temple pass while you still start your turn with 6 cards is not a fair trade. If the most recent tier 0 deck is ending on 2 interruptions in a best case scenario, you are functionally kneecapping every other deck in the game. It's also just another bridge to power creep. Since Nib was revealed Konami has made a consistent batch of decks that don't care about Nib, now we'll just be seeing them make decks that don't care about Mulchummy. The power creep in the game is about to go berserk again
They wont because OCG already design decks that dont Care about Maxx c which means they dont care about mulchy. What Will happen instead Is the TCG Will effectively have the exact same format as OCG and we wont see things like rikka pop Out of nowhere anymore because they'll get % checked by longer rounds with more % of seeing mulchy
I.p+Temple? 😂 This card is also check for your set cards
You're specifically picking a link spam deck that summons from the deck too. Take Chimera for example, no summons from the deck, you make the handrip fusion, set Chimera Fusion for a Guardian Chimera play. Op now starting on 5 cards and you got handtraps, Guardian Chimera on the opponents turn and a Diabellze play.
All this new handtraps does is hurt stupid op decks that shouldn't exist in the first place.
@@francisbartoszewski2284 And you're specifically picking a deck that doesn't really summon from the deck, rips a card out of the opponent's hand, and can get away with making one fusion on its own turn to then pass and play on the opponent's turn.
Traptrix? Basic turn one combo summons twice from the extra and once from the deck.
Salamangreat? Ends on literally no interaction unless they summon like 10 times from extra.
Dragon Link? See above.
Branded? Ideally wants to summon at least 3 times from the extra to end on Mirrorjade.
Etc, etc. I could keep going, but the point is, there is a lot of (definitely NOT "op") rogue decks which are forced to either let the opponent go +2/3 with this card, or play a suboptimal opener. Saying that it only hurts "stupid op decks that shouldn't exist in the first place" just because your pet deck is barely affected by it is incredibly disingenuous and extremely shortsighted. For every "op deck" that this card works against, there's several rogue/lower-tier decks which are affected just as much.
i,p+temple+flamberge is 3 cards on the field, you keep 9 in your hand
and you can stanby phase on your turn this to check the ip from doing anything.
Maxx C, Minn C, and now Maxx 3. What’s the next one gonna be called? Any ideas? Lol
Omega Max C 😂
Maxx G for the one that works from the GY we inevitably get
@@kuzidas4213 this^
midd c
This was the most compelling discussion Farfa and Josh had lol. Maxx C really brought out the hottest takes from YGO players
Lmaoooooo they made maxx C an archetype
Joshua Schmidtting my pants right now
little knight
*my lederhosen
The real question is : could this be good enough to be played in the main deck?
Most modern decks can make use out of a dead card in hand anyway and the upside of having it going second before your opponent can side in all the handtrap hate can be worth the slight consistency loss when going first.
Tenpai dragon gets another blowout ht to auto win
@@xakuray5522 only tenpai I've seen can do it. Coz they can technically make 0 board interruption with sphere, then tribute it on opp turn, then activate malchummy. They can play high amount of handtraps too.
Honestly, I'm starting to think the OCG/MD is gonna keep Maxx C around. I say this, because the OCG/MD tends to look at the banlist heavily from a statistical perspective. Right now, the going first player has a 57.71% chance of drawing an out to Maxx C/Fuwaross (3 Ash Blossom + 2 Called by + 1 Crossout) in a 40 card deck. The going second player has a 33.76% of drawing Maxx C, but adding Fuwaross gives them 6 copies of Maxx C/Fuwaross, which is the same amount of copies as the first turn player's outs. So, now the going second player is as likely to draw Maxx C/Fuwaross as the going first player is to draw an out, which was not the case before. This is why I think the OCG/MD will probably keep Maxx C around.
edit: they could also ban called by and crossout, in addition to Maxx C, if they wanted to keep the probabilities balanced/the same (3 ash blossom vs 3 fuwaross). but personally, I don't see that happening, I don't think Maxx C is going anywhere.
@@reirei_tk interesting take. So maxx C would be less likely to be countered with malchummy existing coz going second player has more maxx C than going first player out
Thats why its an archtype if they ban maxx c they want you to use some combination of them since most likely we will be getting the 3rd one
But then there are cases where the going second opponent draws both Maxx c and fuwaross and now it doesn’t matter whether the going first player drew the out or not cause they’ll just chain the second one afterwards
So their solution to Maxx C deciding games is printing another card that is an auto-include so that almost 1/2 of your deck is already determined before you've even begun?
@@Djseemers drawing both is just as likely as drawing ash/called by (for example).
I hate it not because it's individually insane, I hate it because it's the same as all other hand traps. Makes great decks even greater and middling decks unplayable.
Joshua even points out that you want a grip of handtraps with this thing and even against it if it happens to resolve and you need to make a slim board.
This just means decks that don't have a dozen one card starters and place for more and more handtraps are not even worth playing anymore.
I can't wait for debates on "the new maxx c isn't even broken this meta". "hand traps don't even stop this deck"
I would have preferred a new nibiru that says " if your opponent summons 5 or more monsters you can discard this card: it is now the end phase of this turn"
Something else you may not be considering is this helps balance hand trap wars by discouraging people from making a massive turn 1 end board. How good are hand traps going to be with fewer guaranteed interruptions? People playing 15 hand traps will have more reason to play that way when they can't rely on the extra deck like that anymore.
I think you're right, but I could still see at least 12-15 hand traps(15 being 3 mulcharmy added) due to mulcharmy only being good for going 2nd. Sidedecking is going to change greatly once this card releases.
@@plantseason290 Well yes but I also can see people running 3 because they might have 20+ non-engine slots and they might want to have it incase they lose the dice roll.
@jacobwoodard818 most people build for going first though it seems. That's why I think it'll be side decked a lot. I'm going to experiment with it in Punk since if I draw it going first, it'll be discard fodder. Wanted to mention that you had made a great point that others hadn't mentioned yet. Hope others see it.
@@plantseason290 true we both had great points thanks
the two hieratic players in the world are shitting bricks that they had to give a draw to the opponent for summoning ball
And I'm one of them 😭
as the other i dont mind, im more concerned to find tributing from hand effects
MAXX C
Under the C
Maxx 3
The next one will be Reborn the C or something
M4XX C
What card normal summons from the Main Deck? Are we getting a “from Main Deck” Tribute Summon Monarch or Floo card in the future?
We need more decks like Swordsoul. It can end on a strong board while only giving 2 cards to the opponent. doesn't need to be tokens but ways to complete a turn with less summons and still have power.
Another important detail... if you can play around this somehow, that probably means you now lose to purulia. i.e. Spright, Kashtira, Floo. So you need contingency plans for both.
We're doomed!!
Maybe Konami thinks because in master duel maxx c is “fine” that it can come back to the TCG too. That would be wild. So many people sitting on high rarity maxx c for half a decade would be finally vindicated.
Also, I think watered down maxx c can be okay. I feel like phantazmay is a watered down maxx c.
Edit: nvm they said the phantazmay thing as I was typing it
I will never understand why people cry so hard about Maxx C. I like the card. Yes, it's Uber powerful, yes I build every deck with a few ash blossoms and whatnot to potentially counter it, but I find it almost necessary. Like, is you wanna play an old deck that can't keep up with snake eyes or whatever, Maxx C is that perfect, "Fuck you, I'm gonna play the game whether you like it or not." type card.
In a game where people constantly spend 15 minutes on turn 1 trying to stop the opponent from doing literally anything, Maxx C is like a nice tank of air when you would otherwise down- and if Konami wants to keep the game in the state it's in, I say fuck it and unlimit Maxx C completely. 🙄
Lmao bro these players are wild. If I'm playing against fiendsmith snake eyes. There's no card currently available I can draw going second. All these players just want to create 10+ interruptions through 3 handtraps going first and feeling good to know they've handlooped you because you 100% lose
Giving crossout more love.
The biggest drawback of this card is that you can only use it when you control no cards. Making it basically not good going 1st and more a sidedeck card.
You need double crossout
This card is twice per turn you can chain it with other copy.
4:55 What Josh here made me think of something: why are we trying to "fix" going second using new cards? Clearly going second is weaker, and it seems that Konami is "trying" to fix that by releasing decks that are good going second (Tenpai) or cards that are better/only work going second. The problem then is that these cards become "necessary" to play the game competitively, forcing players to spend on packs or the card market. Konami is just releasing band-aid fixes that makes the playerbase give them more money. They made the problem of cards being able to make impenetrable setups turn 1, then sell the solution. If they really want to fix going 2nd and don't want to implement rotation, they should do a fundamental buff to the turn 2 player. They nerfed going first before, they can do it again.
As long as it can draw into more handtraps its gonna be bonkers no questions asked
excited for " when your opponent activates a spell card draw a card"
You guys are forgeting one little thing. None of the Multcharmy are once per turn. It means that you open 2 Multcharmy with the same name, you can activate both and get over counters like called by or crossout.
Gigantic and Sprindt basically got killed
Limitation this archetype of cards should have had: you cannot use the cards you drew by the effect in that same turn - then it would've been a truly going second only card and would promote board breaker deck building.
A card that focuses on gy setup and one or two big boss monsters can still play mostly fine since they need to shuffle back cards at random, you can end up with a worse hand after this if the universe hates you
Next one will be for banish and gy
This is the ultimate finger to the community from Konami.
My prediction:
The earth one will draw for summons from gy and banishment and the fire one will draw for every summon but a maximum of 3 cards or only draw for every third summon
I'd love a format with the Mulcharmys if it goes in tandem with removing the blowout handtraps and boardbreakers from the game. Combo decks having to contest a 12 card opening hand is pretty fair tbh, but if among those cards theres 2 Evenly Matched and you had to play through Nib as well, that'd be rather toxic I feel, and not a good experience for either player, really. If going second you have that many cards in hand, I don't think we should keep powerful equalizers like Evenly and Nibiru in the game, but trading one for one interactions somewhat proportional to how much your opponent committed seems like a pretty fun game actually.
If this ends up in rotating out nonengine for an all gas back and forth, I'm all for it.
well sure but you only draw the card that enables that 1/3 games
Doubt they will hit those boardbreakers tho, handtrap maybeeee shifter could get hit even then it's not that likely
I do agree that Fuwaros will be great going second in the TCG. Master Duel and OCG, maybe they’ll use them, but maybe this is also a sign that Konami OCG plans on banning Maxx “C”. Only time will tell
maybe the people who actually design the cards are on team anti maxx c and have decided to make it their mission to force the banlist team to get rid of it
I think we're overreacting to this card already. You can pivot once this card is activated and change your end board into a link 4 or one big synchro. My pendulum decks, for instance, could probably just stop after 3 draws. Summon turbo card from hand or GY, draw for Link 2, draw for pendulum summon, draw for the last thing I make.
You might as well have said apollousa instead of link 4.
Pretty amusing that it says "Normal or Special Summons". You know, just in case they Normal Summon a monster from their Deck or Extra Deck.
These cards are such a good sign that they atleast know how much of a mistake generic handtraps are. Hope they design all new handtraps to be part of this archetype then ban the original hand traps so interactions aren’t so bloated.
AND fuck yes this card should draw you a card for your opponent summoning their +2 from deck multiple times.
These cards aren’t a problem these cards are the solution
I'm hopeful. I think there will be decks that can adapt, and those that can't will have a harder time. Hopefully this pushes the tcg to less combo than right now.
The biggest issue with Maxx C is when your opponent plays it in Draw phase of your Turn 2 after establishing their board turn 1.
If this watered down, store brand Maxx C forces you to skip your entire turn 1, then u didnt deserve that turn in the first place. This card is fine
At very minimun
At least this archetype require some knowledge about certain deck
Because you cant just directly shotgun ppl with this one (due more specific requirement)
I would not say it is the biggest issue. At least even under Maxx C if you were able to interrupt your opp t1, you can otk on your turn t2. To my mind maxx c is a bigger problem when played by the 2nd player because every single decent deck can break any board and win after drawing 6 or more cards forcing you to pass early instead and often loose anyway. The mulcharmy cards introduce the same issue
I mean, I'm on the fence of Summons from the Deck needing to be restricted in some way because it's the most powerful summon method.
I'm very fine on this card as it really only does hit Combo Decks the hardest (or Decks that love Special Summoning from the greediest zones). In fact, it might even be a Main Deck staple considering how much the current meta summons from the Deck and Extra Deck at this time
Paleo Tear can play around everything🦾
A single card isn't going to fix the going second issue, and the drawback on this just doesn't matter because the concern is that you draw into more hand traps that you then use. However, my big issue with this is that it'll almost certainly be a 90+ staple card that we're gonna need 3 of.
it is also a Harpie's Feather Storm enabler if it hits the field.
For me the only problem is that floor can search it, so if u some how break board to floow, they come back harder
Normal summon from deck/extra deck?? How??
i fucking hate this card with every fiber of my being
People dont realize that the matchup is always the biggest part of these multcharmy card. The first one covers 2 fields normal and specials from the hand and this one covers 2 aka specials from the deck and extra deck. Now obviously the 2nd is more impactful because most of the best decks will spam the fuck outta those last 2 but its always a side deck card for game 2 or 3 but like thats the very purpose of side deck cards is either to stop your opp from playing or to break their board when they do. Plus this card is literally more fair at the end of the day.
The arguement of "i want more extra deck cards for going second" is even worse because that just means more side and more extra deck becomes the same which is already a problem that we have in the game already and the extra deck is ALWAYS accessible but a handtrap is not
I would not see an issue with what farfa suggested, which included main deck monsters as well.
It is just weird to me because it is like they make design decisions that contradict one another. They just revealed a rank 4 toolbox deck that restricts and special summons from deck, so why make a card that heavily punishes a deck like that? Yes, they can just end on one thing with handtraps, but they have enough weaknesses as it is.
@@chewdoom8415 deck building pack archetypes normally get shafted like that tbh. It is baffling tho that the mecha xyz deck doesnt have the ability to go into zeus
Normally your takes are good but saying this card is fine because snake eye ends on i:p field spell pass and only gives a draw 1 logically does not check out at all, shifter makes snake eye pass on the same board but this card does the same thing while replacing itself and every deck can play it unlike shifter
So... If says "your opponent Normal or Special Summons a monster(s) from the Deck and/or Extra Deck", that means it counts the regular Normal Summon, so you draw 2 cards in the Snake-Eyes scenario, right?
Maybe - and that is a big maybe - it is actually not that bad siding traps when you go first in games two and three, in case you get hit with this card. If that is going to be a valid strategy to beat this that could creat some interesting games. Not likely I know but that is my sniff of Copeium.
You both casually glanced over that you still get the draw from the normal summon (which you would shotgun with these Chummy cards anyway for obvious reasons) on top of the special summons.
That said in a scenario where Maxx C gets banned in MD/OCG then THIS Chummy will be used more as the replacement because there are way more decks that special summon spam from main and extra deck then just hand.
It says from the deck and/or extra deck not hand Yugioh players will never get past the "not reading" allegations at this rate
It's really funny how they both completely forgot about how many draws just the fiendsmith combo will give the opponent. It's like anywhere from 5-8 draws.
why is nobody talking about the fact that ash is gonna be a mandatory inclusion like in md ;(
@@Leonardo.ohime.i coz almost everyone already play 3 ash anyway, malchummy or not
Guess what is the most used main deck card in TCG right now?
my dude ash has been a staple almost every format as long as I can remember. Pre pend mage nerf, dinosaurs structure Era I ran 3 all day.
Funnily enough, Fire King, especially if you run it pure with cards like Nadir servant, doesn't care about this card, as all it's cards summon from hand or grave and not directly from deck
ngl i think the split should have been Normal+Hand, Deck+Grave+Banished, and Extra. The way it is, Deck+Extra is crazy, and now the inevitable Grave+Banished will be really weak
Floowandereeze is gonna be menace with this one
calling it now that the 4th Mulcharmy after the GY/Banish one will be special summons from the S&T zone
This vid is giving Neil Degrasse Tyson explaining astrophysics to Joe Rogan vibes.
Another $100+ card that you need 3 of yayyyyyyyyyyyy
Josh, isnt the effect to randomly return cards a pretty strong downside? Like you could return any powerful board breakers/combo pieces back to the deck and end up with a lesser quality hand despite having more card advantage in theory?
It *is* a downside, but that "+6" does so much heavy lifting.
If your opponent just ends with just 1 card on field, but summoned from deck 3 times to do it, you still get to keep all 3 cards you drew, since you had to send this card to grave and had 4 cards left.
The amount of cards you get to keep grows even further as they leave more cards on field and as you use other handtraps. It's honestly pretty hard to hit cap against combo decks that set up a big board.
Shuffling back in ep is completely irrelevant
Most endboards are around 4 cards so we dont start shuffling back until like 10 in hand
at least 4 of your cards in hand will be playables which means we need to actually draw 10 cards (14 total in hand) before you start worrying about shuffling anything back
If you drop 4hts and then start your turn with +6 cards in hand you win the game
@@mattr791 let's look at a snake eyes fire king combo for example
Summon
Ash, get poplar
Poplar summons, now original sin
Oak from deck (+1)
Flameberg from deck (+2)
Link kuribo(+3)
Wolf (+4)
Apolo(+5)
Cat (+6)
Whale(+7)
The field now has 3 monster negates (2 from Apollo 1 from Arvada)
And a total of 5 cards in the field (fire king island, fire king temple, and 3 monsters meaning they had 6 draws and have 11 cards at the beginning of the turn, compared to max C it would have easily been 20 cards, suddenly more powerful single or duo boss monsters can become a route to avoid giving many draws to the chumster. I could give my opponent less draws if for example oak and flame where in my hand (bricks) and it's possible to figure out ways to link clim through graveyard summoning, so I think this is in theory a better designed card, maybe you don't make a full field under chummy but you might not need to completely skip your turn because there is some counterplay compared with the bug
Or you could draw a brick hand, then draw a bunch of gas and shuffle back the garnets. It's all random, same as drawing 5 cards in the first place.
Guys there are main deck boss monsters...this is a good card, it makes them more important
I think you hit the nail on the head re: instant win side-deck cards. There are way more of them for going first than there are for going second, so in theory this should help balance it out? Doesn't solve the problem of auto-win side deck cards effectively killing the idea of best of 3 though.
I hope the next one is for Special Summons from the GY and banishment.
Make it like nibiru, after your opp summons 5 times, draw 2 cards. Good only for second really, and isn't crazy busted
How can u normal summun from the deck
It’s okay new paleo support got released 🙏
Players: BAN MAXX C!!!
konami: What? You want 9 maxx c? Well ok
Plot twist: they wont ban maxx c in ocg, they will unban it in tcg 😂
Unchained could technically trigger the second part of the effect of Mulcharmy.
I mean it helps out decks like vanquish soul and rescue ace that don't really rely on the extra deck. I think too many decks just spam extra deck cards, so its interesting at the very least that this makes more mid-range, not creature spam decks much better as a meta call. Would be cool if they did shift the card design to favour these types of decks cuz balls to the walls combo decks have been on top for too long.
It helps decks that use the extra just as much because it’s not like they also draw when you special
@@geiseric222 Yea obviously it helps any deck going 2nd but what I'm trying to say is in a meta where this card exists, decks that don't need to summon from the extra deck might just be better meta call because they don't have to play the mini game. Like with rescue ace as an example, if they just immediately use it then I can chain emergency, get turbulance and maybe try to get preventer on board without giving my opponent any draws because I didn't need to go into the extra and can play around summoning from deck.
@@pwner10xExtra Deck isn't only used by combo decks, and if a deck is centered on a Extra Deck mechanic (granted, these are usually more combo heavy), they usually can't avoid using the Extra Deck since ED monsters have to come from the ED. I agree about the summon from Deck part, you can probably play around that with some clever deck building.
How is spamming the extra deck any worse than spamming from the hand and deck? They're all a means to an end
@@Big1nz Well decks such as vanquish soul don't actually need to summon that many times (like 5 max) vs many decks exhausting half their extra deck turn 1 which makes me sit there for 5 minutes? Also there are too many generic extra staples nowadays along with in archtype stratos type effects in the extra deck.
Besides the obvious mulcharmy that will draw from gy and banish ss, what if the 4th element mulcharmy lets you quick effect discard it to add any of the other 3.
The second part should only count the number of monsters your opponent controls, not cards so that it wouldn't count S/T when shuffling and it would shuffle back more cards. Another possible change would be instead of saying you can activate 1 other "Mulcharmy" effect, it could say you can only activate 1/2 other monster effect(s). I think this card would be much more fair this way.
anyone noticed that the card says "NORMAL or Special summon from DECK or EXTRA DECK" kinda weird? Like, we probably cannot NORMAL SUMMON from those 2 places, lol.
at least it will change deckbuildings and strategies in yu-gi-oh, and shaking a bit the meta and the game is interesting too
There's no HOPT clause on this, so you could activate two in one turn. Not very practical, but very funny if you chain to a card/effect that summons from the deck.