@@miniwaern it's probably because of a lack of explanation. I actually didn't take the time stamps as a spoiler because it let me skip around and for games that drag on I can bailout early instead of watching 10 minutes of cat n mouse. if knowing how it ends is more important than how you get there then I feel sorry for you.
Richard Casterly wrong. zerg is the stronger race, its just harder to play. zerg has always been the strongest race. and i identify as a terran player, not the Z.
Ya zerg definitely not op, watches serral and dark 3-0 everything in their path causally. It look like I'm watching a professional play against a 3 year old. How is this balanced?
Watching Serral play, and not being a SC2 player myself, makes it hard to imagine how Zerg is not the optimal race. I'm sure they're balanced but dang he makes it look easy with Zerg!
@@ZC.Andrew At the highest level of play i guess. But they require alot of micro to do well whereas terran and protoss army are pretty strong by themselves. Now i am obviously not great but I can see how the army is strong and what makes it strong.
Neural parasite should require you to have supply for the unit you are neuraling. If you are 200/200 you shouldn’t be able to take half of a Protoss army as well.
lmao nah salty protoss, it only control the unit temporarily, plus even production is 200, you can still go overboard since it's a ability just like war3's banshee possession
@@MasterofPlay7 The game needs to be balanced for the pros, not for people like us. Zerg is obviously too strong at the moment. Just look at the number of zerg players in the top 8 of global finals
Honestly sc2 isn’t fun to watch anymore. Zerg is too strong with too many ways to defend and divert early aggression and it’s untouchable late game. So sad
@@Alex-qn9og Good argument. It's like running lings and banes into tanks and mines and saying tanks/mines need to be nerfed lol. How about stop making mass archon vs the units that counter them lul
Kill serral before late game best move. But if its other zerg player in Game 1 just build carrier,mothership, templar combo plus disruptor. And always kill the nydus worm before it finish spawning.
Against brood(gg)lords and (w)infestors: I haven't seen protoss wins against that. At least if players are on the same skill level. Against nydus: must scout and deny it inside your bases up until a massive counter attack is possible. Against nydus + swarm hosts: same as for broodlors and infestors. And yeah Stats is definitely capable of defeating Serral - we saw this earlier this year. Seems like Serral has adapted, or Stats had a bad day... or protoss is just bad vs zerg.
Yeah i'm not sure. With the constant nydus threat, what is their option? They could keep a few gateway units back to kill them, but even that's hard to do in a late game with multiple bases when zerg doesn't need to hold any units back because they can just nydus back to their base anyways.
They are too slow, too easily countered and dont do nearly enough of anything to justify the risk of investing the ridiculous cost for no real benefit.
The zerg can move is spore crawler that is 1 reason combine with the infestor why it is so strong while the canon can not be move forward but maybe there is a way with a probe and warp prism to push with cannon the warp prism being use to warp the cannon at the same time as the pylon accelerating the push because I feel the protoss as no support while the zerg as spore crawler support.
You can't just sit back and let SERRAL do whatever he wants... recipe for a SERRAL WIN. Of course, it's tough to push him because he is such a SUPERB reactive player! Takes decisive action to gain an edge with Serral. In ANY case, you need to be AGGRESSIVE so SERRAL has a CHANCE to make mistakes
If stats added some colossus, along with archons they would do wonders in zoning out infestors and infested terrans. Protoss should give the death ball another go
Zerg got the Serral advatage at the moment I think, bc every other Zerg can just look at Serral and learn how to play against the other races. Terran and Protoss have really good players but none of them can compete with Serral in terms of innovative play I think. That, in my opinion, creates a weird situation in which the best way to figure out a way to win against zerg for terran for example is to look at how Serral plays with terran against zerg. I do agree though, that especially infestors are a bit strong right now :]
this match is 100% proof that zerg is the strongest race. there is no question. i know serral is highly skilled but this proved beyond any reasonable doubt that zerg is overpowered no matter what point in the game, and it is not just against protoss. the ability for zerg to use other races abilities is completely broken, in theory zerg could literally become the opposing race even though ive never seen that tactic in pro. nydus, mutas, banelings, speedlings, the range and attack speed of queens and defensive speed, neural parasite all at the same time is unbeatable and neural literally deleted that mother ship with no counter play. that is so OP. overlords dropping creep anywhere at will, the ability to save drones by erecting a construct, again neural parasite is just so strong. also you can move spine crawlers now, like wtf? forget infestors, the entire race is OP and always has been and always will be broken until they gut its insane scaling power. fighting zerg in the late game is pointless, they will always have the potential to win, the only viable and borderline hopeless tactic is to try what he said and get zerg to mine out, but realistically how can you do that when it can spawn creep to block your expansions, burrow an entire army right where you need to put it, or instantly spawn a building without a drone with no way to stop it? anyone seeking to argue these facts and claim protoss or terran can compete against a equally skilled zerg player needs a reality check. i cant believe how overpowered serral proves zerg is. there is no denying it, zerg is utterly busted and needs multiple nerfs. i dont understand why everyone in the game doesnt gravitate towards zerg, that it doesnt have the highest win rates across the board, i guess it just requires more skill but that doesnt take away from the fact zerg is the most powerful race in the game by far. and i identify as a terran player, but i dont actually play the game anymore but ive watched every major tournament and this is my clear observation, even if zerg players lose they could have easily won. zerg is too strong.
34:19 "it is kinda feel that Stats army is only good from the distance, right. Its really not the army which can stand there and fight" How on Earth can anyone say that? Does he ever played or seen any game of SC2 before? Dear RotterdaM can you please tell us what army can stand against winfestors, corruptors and gglords?
5:45 kind of nice move by Stats here. He moves out with 4 sentries and two oracles (wat?) but then hallucinates two pheonix in the middle of the map and then sends them over to scout. So he gets a really nice scout and because the hallucinations started in the middle of the map they have a longer life span after arriving at the enemy base. And because he hallucinated two pheonixes he got great vision of his opponents base.
Seams to me that the infestors range is too much, with infestors, the end game combo is unstopable because the main unit counters are susceptible to them (bc, carriers, thors, tempest), infestors need a range nerd to put them in the line of fire for things like ghosts and disruptors. This makes it harder to simply avoid putting them in real danger. That said, I don't actually play so you know armchair pro and all.
@@SquirrilahFish 34 infestors vs 0 collosus. He had only 4 collos earlier and after he lost them he never remade. He had AGAIN tons of archons vs infestor broodlord. The only thing I would argue is maybe reduce colos supply by 1. But as it is, you can affod to get like 6+ collosus and still have a handful of tempests/carriers and a COUPLE archons to kill broodlings. I didnt even mention storm, but do the math; im sure you can squeeze in a few 2-cost high templar. If you've got a better video of mass collosus losing to mass infestors i'd love to see it. Tempests/carriers with revelation to poke back broodlords, and collosus to melt anything on the ground
@@e7venjedi I'm saying mass collosus beats mass infestor every day of the week. A few archons to handle broodlings from the broodlords, but not running the archons in to get neuraled like every 'pro' does. Toss are still in the mindset of a-move to win, and just bc zergs have a way to punish it, everyone's crying OP. Tempests/Carriers can poke away at broodlords all day with revelation and collosus melt any festors in SECONDS. Not to mention storms.
@@vick7848 Sounds like a solid plan to me. Why haven't I seen any pros go for a big army of this? Do you have any twitch/youtube vids of people using this comp? Would love to see a comp that crushes this nonsense :D P.S. what are the options for terran?
Serral: "It's over Stats. I have Zerg." Stats: "You underestimate my apm!" Serral: "Don't try it." Stats: "RAAAGH!" *Stats attacks and dies* Serral: "You were supposed to bring balance to the brackets by having a bit more diverse race pool not join us Zerg in the finals." Stats: "I hate you... GG."
@@vick7848 you right all these pros that get domed by winfesters need to adapt. You're a genius bro. I don't know why not even a single one of them thought about that.
True but at master protoss are underrepresented. I say that because it is about equally as relevant. The skill level and mmr of the top players are to gm as gm is to diamond. If you care about having a balanced competitive environment you should be willing to acknowledge there is a problem with zerg (As have serral and rogue). And i will acknowledge that at typical gm mmr protoss seems to be easier to maintain rank with. Perhaps a group of dedicated cheesers?
That last game kinda bugged me. I mean with such a passive late game oriented style, I don't know if he's going to win Blizzcon. I think he needs to have more agressive strategies as well, to become less predictable. Also if you're going to play later stages every game, it must take a pretty big toll on you physically. I mean he was up double the army supply, just make a giant amount of banelings and roll over your opponent (Dark style) You should save energy when you can, so why not just end it earlier?
(Protoss) Overreach & dead, he learned from he's past :) Hes better then ever all good (Dark style) didn't he lost hes last title ? & always lose to serral? Lmao
Because late game zerg won't lose. In his mind, push at the moment equals 75% win rate, while push into late game equals 100% win rate. As a pro, he played safe. It's understandable.
its really not interesting to have zerg autowin with infestors once in lategame... one unit that counter all the Late game unit of opponents... it wins against small units with fongal, and big units with neural, and against everything between with infested marines. this need a total nerf
Just checked the score at 1:02:20 and was like, nope, not wasting my time with this series. After watching Hero vs. Reynor I don't think I can watch a series where a zerg wins anymore. I'm so sick of it. Anyone else super excited for the ZvZ finals? lmao Edit: since none of the mirror matchups really interest me, I decided to watch another class how the Bonjwa dismantles someone XD -- guess I'm a sucker for punishment? :P It really is a shame late-game Z is busted cuz these guys are so close in skill.
@@vick7848 We should all be crying as much as possible until high level balance is fixed. Change my mind. I personally think all three races are super interesting playstyles when it's a fair fight. When you say 'they do the same thing', are you referring to 'the meta'?... I certainly agree that Reynor and Serral [I'm not as familiar with Dark & soo] are amazing players, but it would be interesting to see what would happen if late-game wasn't an auto-win for Zerg.
Roddy and Tasteless were trying so hard to make Zerg seem balanced. "Protoss can do this and that". Nope, once broods are out game's a good as over, no point to even bother trying to analyse.
@@tsmspace armored units cant beat stimmarines well maybe they can but not cost efficiently, ESPECIALLY melees, cuz u know kitin. Only way beating marines is splash, eg banes psystorm lurker
@@obnarujen_eskobar Thats funny Protoss as a race is superior. Serral is just that good. All the idiots that whine Zerg is imba yet 40% of players are Protoss.
@@obnarujen_eskobar There is no such thing as a perfectly balanced game either there will always be flaws. In my opinion Protoss as a race is stronger than Zerg. Serral shows up and all of a sudden the wave that Protoss had was gone and Zerg became OP wtf?! He's doing well and you whiners can't acknowledge the fact that Serral is just that good. Even pros assume to do so its bullshit. I love Protoss but Serral is just the best mechanically.
@@vick7848 Give me a game where another race beat Zerg in late game. ANY Zerg would win because of the Winfestor/Viper combo. Everything has to go right for you to have a shot at them, but if anything go wrong, you are dead.
Cry more. Remove unit from a game bc you wan't to make mass archons and infestor counter them. How about make different units. Like colos and carrier? Show me a video of mass infestors beating collosus carrier
So much bias against zerg late game and all I see is terrible late-game toss and terran comps to fight infestor brood lord. What are 8 archons going to do against that comp? What happened to collosus??? 4-6 tempests/collosus, storms in a prism, mothership, COUPLE archons/immortals, couple preservers. Few carriers and stalkers even. You may say thats a lot of units to beat just broodlord infestor corruptor, but it beats it. Collosus dont get neuraled, and if they do their buddies MELT the infestors in seconds. BL have to get in range to contest and thats where some tempests/carriers/storm counter. All this archon bullshit and then the crying about zerg op late game is hilarious. Stop building the same late-game comp and being so bias. I hope Maru beats Dark and shows everyone that late-game zerg isnt op; people just gave up trying to adapt and think they have to win with what they're comfortable with. (I dont play terran so idk what the ideal late game to beat broodlord infestor corruptor would be, but I imagine Maru will figure it out and shut everyone up)
No one can keep up with him bc his race has too much power. Infester are crazy. They can sawn infested Terran which cost not units and no resources, and then they can actually neural parasite your army supply without any additional cost to Zerg army supply. Essentially meaning that Zerg can have almost an additional 50 army supply in every battle. How is that balanced? Riot should make infested tarred cost supply and give all races a way to disrupt neural parasite. While your at it, disrupters are way to hard to control in main battles. They are the answer to infesters, but not even pro players can micro their shots and micro their army at the same time. They need a click and forget ability like all of Zerg abilities are
Stats: SERRAL! I CHALLENGE! Serral: A Protoss leading Terrans. Why should I accept your challenge? Stats: You want to make me suffer. Classic (to Stats): Brother.. You cannot win. Stats: My old friend. You and I.. Classic: We don't get to hide. Maru: I set you on this path. Stats: And we knew where it could lead. Walk with me, the rest of the way. Stats (to Serral): Let it be finished. (Stats get beaten down.) Serral: The High Templar falls. I trusted you. And so did they. Death comes old solider. And all their hope dies with you. Stats: You cannot kill hope. You tried in WESG, you failed. Hope remains. You set us to kill each other at GSL, you failed. Here we stand. You! Just! Keep! Failing! The Protoss will endure! The Terran is strong! Serral: The Protoss is nothing! You are all nothing! Stats: MY LIFE FOR AIUR! (Stats 0-3 Serral) Serral: If you could see yourselves as I see you. Toy marines in tin plate. Templars who howl for honor. Standing as one? Savor it, nothing lasts. (Source unknown, translated from chinese.)
@@radbarij ofc no one doubts that he is the very best at the moment. but there are other zerg players too that dominate protoss and terran in a ridiculous manner especially lategame. it is simply no more fun to watch
I don't even bother watching Serral Zerg games anymore. Serral is good and zerg is OP so I just FFWD to see who obviously wins. It's so boring because no matter what Protoss does, zerg has an easy counter. Stats is such a solid player and shouldn't be 3-0ed so easily by Serral.
If you just FFW to see who wins... you don't appreciate the game and skill itself, you're just a drama junkie, like those celebrity drama followers. You're interested in the people, not the game.
Agreed this is just ridiculous frankly. Idk if the other commenters are even watching the same game, protoss is CLEARLY broken. Don't even get me started on void rays man.
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1st game at 15:12
2nd game at 40:43
3rd game: 48:44
Not the hero youtube deserves but the one it needs
@@kevinbolt2780 I mean it is a Serral match......
@@kevinbolt2780 your point sucks because you suck
Robert and Max, if you don't understand his point that's on YOU. I Should'nt have to explain why.
@@miniwaern it's probably because of a lack of explanation.
I actually didn't take the time stamps as a spoiler because it let me skip around and for games that drag on I can bailout early instead of watching 10 minutes of cat n mouse.
if knowing how it ends is more important than how you get there then I feel sorry for you.
Interview after clean sweep on a beast player: "Yea I was actually kinda sloppy..."
Never change, Serral.
That's PvZ for ya, tho
Richard Casterly wrong. zerg is the stronger race, its just harder to play. zerg has always been the strongest race. and i identify as a terran player, not the Z.
1:02:18 Felt like Serral saying "It's over Anakin, I have the high ground... Don't try it." :D
YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POWAH!!! *slice* I HATE YOU!!!
47:16 Serral giving Stats "THE LOOK" like, yeah I just did that.
I’m glad to see I’m not the only one getting tired of watching late game Zerg winning all the time
Guess you're going to love all the buffs zerg get in the new patch!! They need it obviously...
no fun when zerg wins all the time
Ya zerg definitely not op, watches serral and dark 3-0 everything in their path causally. It look like I'm watching a professional play against a 3 year old. How is this balanced?
@@luke81mtg39 They cancelled those buffs...
@@randomaccessfemale Yes I've seen. But the TOWN HALLS still are TOWN HALLS!!! Larvae, shield and mules, all in one package!!!
GO GO GO... This tourney has NOT disappointed, can't wait... GAME ON!
serral makes so many inefficient trades in fights because he just has so much stuff it doesn't matter. true zerg mentality . All hail the pooh bear.
untouchable
Using the disrupter to assassinate the infestors that had neural active was pretty cool.
Watching Serral play, and not being a SC2 player myself, makes it hard to imagine how Zerg is not the optimal race. I'm sure they're balanced but dang he makes it look easy with Zerg!
play the game once, the more you know the more ridiculous how serrral plays
Serral is really good, but you're also not wrong suggesting that Zerg is the optimal race. They are very strong in the late game right now.
@@ZC.Andrew At the highest level of play i guess. But they require alot of micro to do well whereas terran and protoss army are pretty strong by themselves. Now i am obviously not great but I can see how the army is strong and what makes it strong.
Of course it's the group of death, Serral's there.
Yeah, well, the problem with that is it's pretty boring to watch Zerg win all the late game.
They really need to look into a few things about it.
lmao salty jealous protoss
Yea, it is getting extremely boring. I actually skip long zvp games to the end because zerg always win those matches in Pro scene
@@tomhe286 lmao salty protoss, all you want is to nerf zerg cuz you don't have the apm to control the swarm
they have to nerf Serral.
@@aristotleyalung8033 exactly, is the high profile player not the race
death group turned into... DEATHIER GROUP LOL
It looks like TIME has ARRIVED. Still getting better, but He is DELIVERING NOW!
1:03:22 Time is beaming at Serral after the win lol
So you can’t neural mothership or use infested terrans now... what’s the ZvP end game now?
Neural parasite should require you to have supply for the unit you are neuraling. If you are 200/200 you shouldn’t be able to take half of a Protoss army as well.
lmao nah salty protoss, it only control the unit temporarily, plus even production is 200, you can still go overboard since it's a ability just like war3's banshee possession
@@MasterofPlay7 fights are won and lost in seconds in SC2.
@@ldgarnett777 yea yea, all you want is to nerf zerg cuz you don't have the apm to control the swarm
@@MasterofPlay7 The game needs to be balanced for the pros, not for people like us. Zerg is obviously too strong at the moment. Just look at the number of zerg players in the top 8 of global finals
@@ldgarnett777 well there were times when protoss and terran players in the top 8, so suck it xD
Honestly sc2 isn’t fun to watch anymore. Zerg is too strong with too many ways to defend and divert early aggression and it’s untouchable late game. So sad
I saw top-100 Zerg recently, who f*cked Top-15 Protoss in ultra late game (about 1 hour). He controlled no more than 30% of the map - and still wins
lmao salty jealous protoss
players, just the fact you don't have the ability to control the zerg swarm doesn't mean zerg is imba
Git good
I love the hatred that like 3 god zergs have caused the scene. Cry more
good bye noob, no one need you here
34:33 Can anyone explain the a-move into death here?...
It's toss. If they can't a-move and win the other race must be OP :p
@@vick7848 Zerg is OP
@@Alex-qn9og 4 zergs made zerg seem op lul. While all other zergs struggle
@@vick7848 Winfestors and GGLords are so broken atm. They deserved to be nerfed.
@@Alex-qn9og Good argument. It's like running lings and banes into tanks and mines and saying tanks/mines need to be nerfed lol. How about stop making mass archon vs the units that counter them lul
I genuinely dont know what the protoss is supposed to do
Against Serral? Cry.
They are supposed to die
Kill serral before late game best move. But if its other zerg player in Game 1 just build carrier,mothership, templar combo plus disruptor. And always kill the nydus worm before it finish spawning.
Against brood(gg)lords and (w)infestors: I haven't seen protoss wins against that. At least if players are on the same skill level.
Against nydus: must scout and deny it inside your bases up until a massive counter attack is possible.
Against nydus + swarm hosts: same as for broodlors and infestors.
And yeah Stats is definitely capable of defeating Serral - we saw this earlier this year. Seems like Serral has adapted, or Stats had a bad day... or protoss is just bad vs zerg.
Yeah i'm not sure. With the constant nydus threat, what is their option? They could keep a few gateway units back to kill them, but even that's hard to do in a late game with multiple bases when zerg doesn't need to hold any units back because they can just nydus back to their base anyways.
I haven't followed the game for awhile but what happen to protoss using colossus and void rays? Never see them being used lately.
Colossus are still used sometimes, just not every game as they got nerfed. And void Ray's are just awful
@@mwosc2 Hopefully VoidRay will be good again with the upcoming Patch
They are too slow, too easily countered and dont do nearly enough of anything to justify the risk of investing the ridiculous cost for no real benefit.
The zerg can move is spore crawler that is 1 reason combine with the infestor why it is so strong while the canon can not be move forward but maybe there is a way with a probe and warp prism to push with cannon the warp prism being use to warp the cannon at the same time as the pylon accelerating the push because I feel the protoss as no support while the zerg as spore crawler support.
29:09 spore colonies! Brood War best game
32:31 Mothership neuraled
You can't just sit back and let SERRAL do whatever he wants... recipe for a SERRAL WIN. Of course, it's tough to push him because he is such a SUPERB reactive player! Takes decisive action to gain an edge with Serral. In ANY case, you need to be AGGRESSIVE so SERRAL has a CHANCE to make mistakes
If stats added some colossus, along with archons they would do wonders in zoning out infestors and infested terrans. Protoss should give the death ball another go
Key to understand what Serral says just slow the video down when he talks to .75 or .50 can understand much better.
When you go into the comments to find first game and you spoil the whole set for yourself
Same
Take a step back and consider he beat stats 3-0.....three freaking zero
Name of the music in the beginning ?
Group A: Zerg 2:0, Zerg 2:1.
Group B: One Zerg in a group 2:0.
Group C: One Zerg in a group 2:0.
Nice!
@Devol But still... We see the results.
Zerg got the Serral advatage at the moment I think, bc every other Zerg can just look at Serral and learn how to play against the other races. Terran and Protoss have really good players but none of them can compete with Serral in terms of innovative play I think. That, in my opinion, creates a weird situation in which the best way to figure out a way to win against zerg for terran for example is to look at how Serral plays with terran against zerg.
I do agree though, that especially infestors are a bit strong right now :]
@@lukashillebrand9670 this proves that whites are the smartest race not asians lmao
@Devol yea.. so easy. The best players in the world arent managing it, so... I mean, no?
f2 a + click ok ok ok 🤔🤣🤣🤣
I know protoss players miss that archon toilet so much 🤣
With that amount of banelings it would only hurt the protoss.
Кореец нервничает перед игрой с европейцем, мы дожили до этого времени))
this match is 100% proof that zerg is the strongest race. there is no question. i know serral is highly skilled but this proved beyond any reasonable doubt that zerg is overpowered no matter what point in the game, and it is not just against protoss. the ability for zerg to use other races abilities is completely broken, in theory zerg could literally become the opposing race even though ive never seen that tactic in pro. nydus, mutas, banelings, speedlings, the range and attack speed of queens and defensive speed, neural parasite all at the same time is unbeatable and neural literally deleted that mother ship with no counter play. that is so OP. overlords dropping creep anywhere at will, the ability to save drones by erecting a construct, again neural parasite is just so strong. also you can move spine crawlers now, like wtf? forget infestors, the entire race is OP and always has been and always will be broken until they gut its insane scaling power. fighting zerg in the late game is pointless, they will always have the potential to win, the only viable and borderline hopeless tactic is to try what he said and get zerg to mine out, but realistically how can you do that when it can spawn creep to block your expansions, burrow an entire army right where you need to put it, or instantly spawn a building without a drone with no way to stop it? anyone seeking to argue these facts and claim protoss or terran can compete against a equally skilled zerg player needs a reality check. i cant believe how overpowered serral proves zerg is. there is no denying it, zerg is utterly busted and needs multiple nerfs. i dont understand why everyone in the game doesnt gravitate towards zerg, that it doesnt have the highest win rates across the board, i guess it just requires more skill but that doesnt take away from the fact zerg is the most powerful race in the game by far. and i identify as a terran player, but i dont actually play the game anymore but ive watched every major tournament and this is my clear observation, even if zerg players lose they could have easily won. zerg is too strong.
winfestors still OP
Buff an op unit and they are still op? Whodathunk
34:19 "it is kinda feel that Stats army is only good from the distance, right. Its really not the army which can stand there and fight" How on Earth can anyone say that? Does he ever played or seen any game of SC2 before? Dear RotterdaM can you please tell us what army can stand against winfestors, corruptors and gglords?
he's talking about stats army, not infestors specifically. he got both tempest and disruptors so what he's saying is on point
5:45
kind of nice move by Stats here. He moves out with 4 sentries and two oracles (wat?) but then hallucinates two pheonix in the middle of the map and then sends them over to scout. So he gets a really nice scout and because the hallucinations started in the middle of the map they have a longer life span after arriving at the enemy base. And because he hallucinated two pheonixes he got great vision of his opponents base.
GAME 2 - Serral BEAST MODE!!!
Seams to me that the infestors range is too much, with infestors, the end game combo is unstopable because the main unit counters are susceptible to them (bc, carriers, thors, tempest), infestors need a range nerd to put them in the line of fire for things like ghosts and disruptors. This makes it harder to simply avoid putting them in real danger. That said, I don't actually play so you know armchair pro and all.
Zerg so OP
Someone show me a video of a late game toss with collosus/carrier/storms at least lose against mass infestor broodlord. I'll wait
Are you saying that's the best composition against that? I didn't quite understand what you meant but it sounds intriguing so I'd like to clarify :-)
Um, watch Elazer vs Trap in this same RO16
@@SquirrilahFish 34 infestors vs 0 collosus. He had only 4 collos earlier and after he lost them he never remade. He had AGAIN tons of archons vs infestor broodlord. The only thing I would argue is maybe reduce colos supply by 1. But as it is, you can affod to get like 6+ collosus and still have a handful of tempests/carriers and a COUPLE archons to kill broodlings. I didnt even mention storm, but do the math; im sure you can squeeze in a few 2-cost high templar.
If you've got a better video of mass collosus losing to mass infestors i'd love to see it. Tempests/carriers with revelation to poke back broodlords, and collosus to melt anything on the ground
@@e7venjedi I'm saying mass collosus beats mass infestor every day of the week. A few archons to handle broodlings from the broodlords, but not running the archons in to get neuraled like every 'pro' does. Toss are still in the mindset of a-move to win, and just bc zergs have a way to punish it, everyone's crying OP. Tempests/Carriers can poke away at broodlords all day with revelation and collosus melt any festors in SECONDS. Not to mention storms.
@@vick7848 Sounds like a solid plan to me. Why haven't I seen any pros go for a big army of this? Do you have any twitch/youtube vids of people using this comp? Would love to see a comp that crushes this nonsense :D
P.S. what are the options for terran?
Do you think Serral is confident?
[SERRAL] Protoss, eh.... FEAR THE SWARM!!!
i dont mind Viper range but Infestor range might've been too OP
OMG I ALMOST HAD A HEARTATTACK IN GAME 2
Serral: "It's over Stats. I have Zerg."
Stats: "You underestimate my apm!"
Serral: "Don't try it."
Stats: "RAAAGH!"
*Stats attacks and dies*
Serral: "You were supposed to bring balance to the brackets by having a bit more diverse race pool not join us Zerg in the finals."
Stats: "I hate you... GG."
Lmao brood lord + infestor wins against literally any composition.
It does. Sucks that it's the only working one too though.
Pretty sure 5 or so collosus melt all infestors. You're a joke that just hopes zerg gets nerfed so you dont have to adapt
Dawid P No, it's not the only one - you can check last year global finals the last game Serral vs Stats. It's just late game zerg
+spore +corruptor and + zergling + roach attacking enemy base to divide opponent concentration
@@vick7848 you right all these pros that get domed by winfesters need to adapt. You're a genius bro. I don't know why not even a single one of them thought about that.
Ah the first one to get up and shake hands.. why don’t Koreans do it when they beat special or showtime?
Stats is the Korean "Jesse Plemons". Anyone else see this?
Fun to see Toss players bitching about Zerg when they are actually %40 of the grandmaster playerbase(T and Z are both %30)
I wonder why...
True but at master protoss are underrepresented. I say that because it is about equally as relevant. The skill level and mmr of the top players are to gm as gm is to diamond. If you care about having a balanced competitive environment you should be willing to acknowledge there is a problem with zerg (As have serral and rogue). And i will acknowledge that at typical gm mmr protoss seems to be easier to maintain rank with. Perhaps a group of dedicated cheesers?
Patriots are 1/32 of the NFL... percentage has nothing to do with balance
"Always the bridesmaid, never the bride"
Absentimental 1 dedicated cheesers is a good guess. I have a friend who got to high masters through cannons alone.
I want a tree base too
zerg op zerg op zerg op zerg op
zerg is just nothing without Serral and Reynor ... :P
No offense, but in my opinion those games were balanced, sometimes for one or the other, but every Nydus is automatically winning for Zerg.
Who are the people sitting next to the players?
The other players of the group, I think. They are allowed to observe.
@@hexalby Thanks.
Maru and time.they are preparing for the match
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That last game kinda bugged me. I mean with such a passive late game oriented style, I don't know if he's going to win Blizzcon. I think he needs to have more agressive strategies as well, to become less predictable. Also if you're going to play later stages every game, it must take a pretty big toll on you physically. I mean he was up double the army supply, just make a giant amount of banelings and roll over your opponent (Dark style) You should save energy when you can, so why not just end it earlier?
(Protoss) Overreach & dead, he learned from he's past :) Hes better then ever all good (Dark style) didn't he lost hes last title ? & always lose to serral? Lmao
Because unlike observers he can't see the whole map and supply of his opponent.
@@wingedarr0w He had his muta's in Stats' base the whole time. I think he could have realized from that intel how far ahead he was.
Because late game zerg won't lose. In his mind, push at the moment equals 75% win rate, while push into late game equals 100% win rate. As a pro, he played safe. It's understandable.
The sound is very low!
sound is to low
So good to watch Serral camp
awesome!
Thibaut? is that you?
its really not interesting to have zerg autowin with infestors once in lategame... one unit that counter all the Late game unit of opponents... it wins against small units with fongal, and big units with neural, and against everything between with infested marines. this need a total nerf
@Dieter Gaudlitz lmao so many salty protoss players, infestor can't even deal damages
Make collos and tell me how hard infestor are
@@MasterofPlay7 check beastyq youtube. Je goes grandmaster using only infestors so yes it can.
@@tgaudlol dude all you want is to nerf zerg cuz the fact you don't have the ability and enough apm to control the swarm
@@MasterofPlay7 dude, i dont even play this game. Im just a pro "watcher"
Just checked the score at 1:02:20 and was like, nope, not wasting my time with this series. After watching Hero vs. Reynor I don't think I can watch a series where a zerg wins anymore. I'm so sick of it. Anyone else super excited for the ZvZ finals? lmao
Edit: since none of the mirror matchups really interest me, I decided to watch another class how the Bonjwa dismantles someone XD -- guess I'm a sucker for punishment? :P It really is a shame late-game Z is busted cuz these guys are so close in skill.
The Elven Jedi oh its u crying about zerg on another video
Cry more. The zergs are better while the toss and terran literally do the same thing and expect to win. CHANGE IT UP
@@superstaralen 23:18 I'll just let the commentators reply for me XD lolololol
@@vick7848 We should all be crying as much as possible until high level balance is fixed. Change my mind. I personally think all three races are super interesting playstyles when it's a fair fight.
When you say 'they do the same thing', are you referring to 'the meta'?... I certainly agree that Reynor and Serral [I'm not as familiar with Dark & soo] are amazing players, but it would be interesting to see what would happen if late-game wasn't an auto-win for Zerg.
@@e7venjedi lol you follow everything commentators say as the truth. The meta against frstor brood lord is archon right? Makes sense
The night king!
Roddy and Tasteless were trying so hard to make Zerg seem balanced. "Protoss can do this and that". Nope, once broods are out game's a good as over, no point to even bother trying to analyse.
@1:30 PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG!
I know tastosis is hype but tasteroddy is a whole nother level
1:03:37 Stats already injected his face with anesthesia before the game starts so his face won't be disfigured when he feels the pain of losing.
He's face is always like that tho
Z needs an abilities need like charglots got
you want to buff zerg? outrageous.
what if they took banelings,, added back scourge (like lowko suggests), but GAVE the banelings to the protoss as some kind of explosive drone????
Protoss already has a lot of aoe.
And how do u defend against mass marine or mass zealot rush? With queens and roaches? Lel pls...
@@ОлегХореев lings morph into big lings, instead of banes?? like a roach armored ling
@@tsmspace armored units cant beat stimmarines well maybe they can but not cost efficiently, ESPECIALLY melees, cuz u know kitin.
Only way beating marines is splash, eg banes psystorm lurker
-1 range on queens and investors can no longer neural massive units when?
So sick of spore forest winfestor gglord. Starcraft vs. Zerg is really boring these days.
Zergcraft
@@obnarujen_eskobar Thats funny Protoss as a race is superior. Serral is just that good. All the idiots that whine Zerg is imba yet 40% of players are Protoss.
No, idiots claim that there is such thing as "superior race".
@@obnarujen_eskobar There is no such thing as a perfectly balanced game either there will always be flaws. In my opinion Protoss as a race is stronger than Zerg. Serral shows up and all of a sudden the wave that Protoss had was gone and Zerg became OP wtf?! He's doing well and you whiners can't acknowledge the fact that Serral is just that good. Even pros assume to do so its bullshit. I love Protoss but Serral is just the best mechanically.
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Zerg players are just dominating in every group
Quan Tran Nhu Zerg came out first in all 4 groups.
@@SquirrilahFish thats what he said..basically
Serral just makes Zerg look broken. Nerf Serral.
Dude, zerg is broken.
Serral is great but zerg is so broken, at least vs protoss.
Serral does not make 4 other Zerg players move to the next round. Zerg is OP
@@tigera6 The zerg players outplayed their opponents. Put a gm against a master and call the gm race op. Funny
@@vick7848 Give me a game where another race beat Zerg in late game. ANY Zerg would win because of the Winfestor/Viper combo. Everything has to go right for you to have a shot at them, but if anything go wrong, you are dead.
@@tigera6 lmao you're so simple. Saying it's late game means nothing when the opponent keeps doing the same stupid thing against zerg late game
This guy is the messi of starcraft
ez 4 stats if hes in grp c
Stay strong HK!
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poor stats ma boy deserved more than to lose to op zerg
Remove infesters from the game.
LOL
salty protoss players xD
Cry more. Remove unit from a game bc you wan't to make mass archons and infestor counter them. How about make different units. Like colos and carrier? Show me a video of mass infestors beating collosus carrier
Looks like infested Terran removed in next patch. 🤗
So much bias against zerg late game and all I see is terrible late-game toss and terran comps to fight infestor brood lord. What are 8 archons going to do against that comp? What happened to collosus??? 4-6 tempests/collosus, storms in a prism, mothership, COUPLE archons/immortals, couple preservers. Few carriers and stalkers even.
You may say thats a lot of units to beat just broodlord infestor corruptor, but it beats it. Collosus dont get neuraled, and if they do their buddies MELT the infestors in seconds. BL have to get in range to contest and thats where some tempests/carriers/storm counter. All this archon bullshit and then the crying about zerg op late game is hilarious. Stop building the same late-game comp and being so bias. I hope Maru beats Dark and shows everyone that late-game zerg isnt op; people just gave up trying to adapt and think they have to win with what they're comfortable with. (I dont play terran so idk what the ideal late game to beat broodlord infestor corruptor would be, but I imagine Maru will figure it out and shut everyone up)
i wanna see 2v2 it would be more exciting if theres a teamwork
I have an idea lets make all races even late game! What a concept.
And the early and midgame too, right? What a concept!
No one can keep up with Serral late game... even the worlds greatest Zergs!
No one can keep up with him bc his race has too much power. Infester are crazy. They can sawn infested Terran which cost not units and no resources, and then they can actually neural parasite your army supply without any additional cost to Zerg army supply. Essentially meaning that Zerg can have almost an additional 50 army supply in every battle. How is that balanced? Riot should make infested tarred cost supply and give all races a way to disrupt neural parasite. While your at it, disrupters are way to hard to control in main battles. They are the answer to infesters, but not even pro players can micro their shots and micro their army at the same time. They need a click and forget ability like all of Zerg abilities are
@@thebasiclute sorry?? are you blind? zerg buff again ! stop dreaming your serral lmao!
@@carlamarieindico6080 Are you blind!? Even Korea's Zergs cant keep up with Serral! LOL
Stats: SERRAL! I CHALLENGE!
Serral: A Protoss leading Terrans. Why should I accept your challenge?
Stats: You want to make me suffer.
Classic (to Stats): Brother.. You cannot win.
Stats: My old friend. You and I..
Classic: We don't get to hide.
Maru: I set you on this path.
Stats: And we knew where it could lead. Walk with me, the rest of the way.
Stats (to Serral): Let it be finished.
(Stats get beaten down.)
Serral: The High Templar falls. I trusted you. And so did they. Death comes old solider. And all their hope dies with you.
Stats: You cannot kill hope. You tried in WESG, you failed. Hope remains. You set us to kill each other at GSL, you failed. Here we stand. You! Just! Keep! Failing! The Protoss will endure! The Terran is strong!
Serral: The Protoss is nothing! You are all nothing!
Stats: MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
(Stats 0-3 Serral)
Serral: If you could see yourselves as I see you. Toy marines in tin plate. Templars who howl for honor. Standing as one? Savor it, nothing lasts.
(Source unknown, translated from chinese.)
Source is from World of Warcraft when Sylvanas fights Saurfang.
@@newera478 If you look through it a lot of things changes.
26:18 CMON i could done that better. wtf. where is your attention!?
so my daddy like this vid
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zerg lategame is cancer OP
zerg is op
@All Good in your silver league that is maybe true
@@radbarij ofc no one doubts that he is the very best at the moment. but there are other zerg players too that dominate protoss and terran in a ridiculous manner especially lategame. it is simply no more fun to watch
Zerg static defense movement should be an upgrade.
Zerg queens energy should only be 100/100.
Nydus should also be Nerfed.
Zerg Opness over.
No upgrade, static D should just be static. Nydus should be out of the game as well as other teleports (recall and tactical jump).
zerg OP and startcraft 2 is a waste of time.
Cry more
Just remove Neural and Banes from the game.
Those kids are awesome players, but it's sad to feel how broken their lives cuz of the game.
you meant sitting all days behind a table doing a job for your boss in an office is better?
Yep it's horrible to do something you love ;)
infestor dumbest, most op unit in the game :(
I don't even bother watching Serral Zerg games anymore. Serral is good and zerg is OP so I just FFWD to see who obviously wins. It's so boring because no matter what Protoss does, zerg has an easy counter. Stats is such a solid player and shouldn't be 3-0ed so easily by Serral.
If you just FFW to see who wins... you don't appreciate the game and skill itself, you're just a drama junkie, like those celebrity drama followers. You're interested in the people, not the game.
@@exnihilonihilfit6316 Usually when you accuse people of being something, you are that something.
@@chingompiew1 then watch something else if you can't appreciate skill.
great game except really hard to understand the casters English
lol nerf op toss pls
Agreed this is just ridiculous frankly. Idk if the other commenters are even watching the same game, protoss is CLEARLY broken. Don't even get me started on void rays man.
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