This was such a fun discussion. My hope that you are now as confused as ever about what "freedom" is after watching this. :) One thing I forgot to bring up was how free some people actually feel in authoritarian countries. Many of them do feel "free" as the authoritarian government provides some sort of stability in their lives, whether that be economic security or actual security. It's often why people settle for dictators.
Yes, but the Chinese and the Cubans have no idea what good freedom is. Look at Hong Kong and the protests there. They love the civil liberalism that the British let them have and now Communist China wants to swallow it up; they are fighting tooth and nail for it.
@@iammrbeat Having economic security or safety is not freedom. “Freedom from” bad things, is not freedom. It is just fortune. Anyone that says the government gives them freedom because they give them protection is wrong. You philosophically allow that misconception to perpetuate. Freedom is autonomy. It is not privilege or protection. Civil liberties is a freedom. The government treating folks as autonomous individuals. Favoring one race or another is not freedom. It maybe civil rights and some form of socialism, you might think it’s just, but it’s not freedom. Affirmative action is socialism, it is not freedom. You might like socialism. You might like dominant govt control of outcome, but it’s not freedom. You may wish it was freedom, so you can identify as someone that understands and respects freedom, but unfortunately you aren’t
I didn't expect to see you here, either. I've been watching your channel for awhile and I enjoy your videos as well! Thanks for the kind words and for watching. :)
@@iammrbeat when muller charge manafort for things nothing to do with russia hack but let podesta go for same reason =blackmail dc to support blame russia to cover up fact 2 party system failed since mccain-hillary all did united fruit company scandal 2.0 but remain rich recall fbi never look at physical evidence just crowdstrike/hillary words, cia break glass 2017 inauguration with media claim russia stolen election george bush 14y ago said add ukraine to nato foreshadow nuland f eu coup 2014 support = 1. ruclips.net/video/nTQ3D1a-j20/видео.html 2001 pentagon memo kill occupy iraq to syria ruclips.net/video/_mrJRHwbVG8/видео.html aware USA can give everyone medicare+lower inflation so wages regain value but need to punish all those whom want to stay in Syria like Schiff/pelosi? they constant print money to occupy iraq-syria oil gold force city to lower inflation/living cost greatly to prove daca worth it since for years dc never lower living cost only print dollars to do more refugee crisis current ukraine gov is proxy since obama drew red line just like did in syria earlier arming rebels telling russia not to interfere while zelensky ethnic cleanse donbass region 7y= 2. ruclips.net/video/ta9dWRcDUPA/видео.html 3. ruclips.net/video/IBeRB7rWk_8/видео.html
The world needs more Mr. Beat & JJ having intelligent long form discussions about complex multifaceted issues, topics, and ideas! I love both of your channels and the combination videos would be my work playlist dream!
11:00 min in. I moved to Canada from the US and I love it, but only because I had no real expectations. If you think it's some sort of paradise up here, that suffers from nothing that the US does, think again. But if anyone wants to come anyway, the process is a little time consuming, but simple. The government website is easy and fast to navigate.
If you count purely by age range, I’m a millennial just like you two, but to me this is essentially a discussion between my cool history teacher and my cool politically inclined and/or Nintendo obsessed uncle. Yall are true intellectuals and we need rational people like you in the current climate. Never stop 🙂
Freedom of religion and freedom from religion go hand in hand. They do not oppose each other. The idea that they do will ultimately lead to the destruction of both freedoms in a society since that means that others practicing their basic rights infringes on yours. I think this is what French laicite gets wrong.
Mr Beat, you channel is so interesting and I've learned so much from it. Always have been interested in American politics, history, and music. You're like my mirroring nerdish-self from another continent. We're not alone, yay! Much love from Belgium!
That’s a question we should all be examining now. Art has always played an integral role in shaping our perception of freedom and how it relates to the world at large. Emerson’s “The American Scholar” upheld the value and life of a free mind. Whitman’s “Song Of Myself” had a pluralist vision both personal and sweeping, E Pluribus Unum in the flesh. William Carlos Williams knew the idea of the thing is never the thing itself, so he emphasized the need for direct connection and fresh thinking, being there in the moment and always real…a freedom from all stifling media and preconception. Freedom without discipline degenerates on easy impulse. There’s form in formlessness, and so an image of freedom.
I think we should all be examining it now and forever. Something I didn't bring up but forgot to was how free some people actually feel in authoritarian countries. Many of them do feel "free" as the authoritarian government provides some sort of stability in their lives.
That is a good, unsettling point. Structure does enable us to extend our freedom, but as with any focus it’s canalizing. The frame can certainly be abused to box us in and limit thinking. Another thought for another video.
I just finished the Dictator’s handbook and I’d love for you guys to do an analysis on the scores the book uses to rate the relative freedom different countries have. For example, I think they said the US had a 0.96 (out of 1) and that it recently dropped down to a 0.92, but also when a country gets above 0.9 in terms of relative freedom it never goes back down. Big fans of both
I'd like to hope that level is a point of no return, but given some of the things we have seen in the world lately, and many parties just abandoning the concept of democracy or that they can lose a fair election is quite concerning.
@@wvu05 I think the general idea is once a country gets above 0.9, there is a level of freedom the people are simply too used to that they refuse to give it up because it is too ingrained in the society to dislodge without basically the country not being that country anymore.
I'm in Oklahoma and remember being forced to have vaccines to attend public school 15 years ago or so but after COVID it got politicized and there are alot more antivaxers now, I don't know if that's still in place anymore.
But were the vaccines you took shielded from liability? If I took a small pox vaccine, then took a small pox booster followed by a 2nd small pox booster and still contracted small pox wouldn’t you conclude that vaccine & booster don’t work? If you concluded that the vaccine doesn’t work then why would you want to force that on someone versus allowing them to make the decision for themselves?
Do you want to eat in restaurants where the employees don't wash their hands after defecating? Do you want your surgeon to wear a mask to protect you or not? These are not matters of personal freedom but of public health.
I feel like I've heard the argument that people don't like unions because they don't do enough but I often wonder how much union inaction is caused by people not participating. Although, I've never been part of a teacher's union so I may not see the whole picture. I like to think of unions as similar to democracy, they can only protect rights and freedoms if there is broad participation.
The more rights or privileges a nation-state allows its citizens or subjects testifies to how much openness or unreservedness they have against constraints. Freedom is more liberty to make more choices to raise up and break the chains of those constraints of life. I would also argue freedom is the amount of power a citizen or subject has in lieu of civil liberties or rights.
What would you say to: "allowing people too much freedom leads to more crime"? I can see both parties using this argument. Its fundamentally authoritarian, but it is a solution people often reach for in reaction to blights of our society
@@kalui96 As Ben Franklin once said, "those who would give up some of their liberty in order to obtain temporary safety...deserve neither liberty or safety." And Ezio Auditore once said, "Liberty is messy but it is priceless."
@@kalui96 I don’t think there’s any correlation between freedom and crime. The nations with the most crime are all generally cartel nations or just failed states or near-failed states, not democracies or dictatorships.
@@Adsper2000 an argument can be made from those cartel's perspective that they are just operating in *their* free market/world. I do see arguments that can support your perspective too, I think Jocko Willink said something to the effect of "you can try to feed people and build them a shining city with a just government but it only works with benevolent government/people". ofc it takes the whole village to agree to a social contract to make anything, whether communist, capitalist, authoritarian, or laisse faire, to work
I like this definition. It's still open to interpretation, but does narrow it down enough to lead to a strong framework when looking an individual cases and circumstances.
Sanctions aren't really what you think of when you think of sanctions. They sanction individual people, not the whole country. For example, there may be sanctions against an Iranian oligarch who helps keep the horrible Iranian government in power, but if a regular Iranian wants to do something there's nothing but their own government stopping them.
28:00, In these situations where freedoms (perhaps more strictly, liberties) are qualified with caveats, as with your example of Native Americans in the US. Maybe this is a pipe dream, but I'd love to build these caveats into my definition of freedom. This is a clunky start, but I'd love to spend some time meditating on it: A Native American is affected by the denial of liberties to their ancestors and all that which went into (or didn't) them as they are today. This concept is often described as "intergenerational". That can lead to conversation about intergenerational trauma, wealth, knowledge- These have huge impacts, unseen by people privileged by wealthy histories. I'd love to see more focus on this in "white" circles (though I'd like to point out that upon learning about the generations preceding white people, one finds they have a much richer (not speaking monetarily) and more diverse history than their skin colour. Yes, many white people find themselves in positions of similar privilege now, but the lessons from the equalising of inequality among white people can be very useful, even if it's the realisation that apartheid used black people to prop up white people. Then we can even consider the concept of reparations. There's a lot more to this, but I don't want to drag this comment on too long, so I'll cut it short there, hopefully it might inspire someone.
As per usual JJ manages to talk about these issues without ever really committing to giving his own personal views. I felt like the whole discussion Mr Beat would say something he’s been thinking about (where he’s realising he’s a bit more left leaning than he originally thought) e.g. inheritance tax and asks JJ his view. JJ will then proceed to talk about what “some people believe”. In this case he explained his prediction that this topic will become a bigger issue. But doesn’t actually want to say which side he’s on. Despite being an “open” conservative I’ve found his videos on the topic so non-committal. I find myself coming away from the video wondering what I have even learnt about him and what conservative policies he actually likes. Despite that I enjoy his videos massively, the vast majority are non-political and we share an interest in the way the world is. It was cool that you had him on Mr Beat
I must admit that I was surprised to find out that he was a Tory. Maybe the issues are different in Canada, and it's a case of the revolutionary becoming a reactionary, but I think it would be interesting, even as someone who is not a conservative, to hear how he landed that way.
JJ can be reserved, but he expresses strong opinions when it matters to him. I.e. the current Canadian RUclips bill, Quebec’s status in Canada, his opposition to China and their influence in north america. Many of the positions he expresses no strong opinion of, like abortion and gun rights, are largely American debates, so he might not care as much
I'm really digging J.J getting around more on the platform. I've enjoyed his content for a long time, but I feared that given the general political nature of it, I would bias myself. However, you and him having a good discussion and apparently the admiration of the the GMS, makes me feel more sure of all of your opinions and work. You each gained my respect individually, and when you all converge like this it solidifies my trust.
hey mr.beat, i've watched you channel for a while and I am quite a fan. but now I have a humble request. Please cover the situation in Iran, my home country, the more its known the better it will be.
As a lefty it's nice to see more conservative perspectives on left wing opinions that aren't being argued in bad faith and assuming we are out to tear down civilization. Very refreshing
I’d love to hear JJ talk about IP law at length. Him and I share a love of Nintendo games, but I am becoming very dubious of the level of control that corporations like Nintendo and Disney have over our minds because they are able to exercise control over characters and stories for basically our entire lives. I will never know a world where JK Rowling doesn’t directly control Harry Potter. Is that good? I am honestly not sure where I stand. While I can see why that ability to create generational wealth is good for artists, is it bad for artists that we don’t have a cultural cannon to draw on for stories? I do disagree with him on “living Christian values”…..I am Episcopalian, the American “branch” of the Church of England (we would say that we are “in communion” with the Anglican Church”, so think confederation not federation) and in my own mind, I am living out my faith. We are a tolerant church towards LGBT folks; we ordain women, gay and trans priests, our “good works” almost always involve donating time and money to our local food pantries and for me personally, I try to regularly donate time to my local organic farming coop that provides fresh produce to the Richmond, Va areas that are underserved by grocery stores. I’m not trying to brag, I am just sayin, I live out a Christian life in a way that wouldn’t be captured in polling as being part of “Christian Nationalism”…and while I’m not trying to generalize my personal experience, but I just..idk. I want to push back on the ways in which these folks dominate what Christianity even is in people’s mindshare. I don’t know if I believe in a literal devil. I know I don’t believe in a red guy with horns, so my question relates more to if evil is personified or something that comes purely from us. What I do know is that evil doesn’t come from “nothing” in the way that good things seem to. Good is a light in a dark tunnel. The light was always there, it was just hidden from us. Cancer is the abberation and corruption of what is normal. What we call evil is the corruption of what is good. Always.
“Freedom” cannot be truly defined unless you exclude certain freedoms. As said in the movie “Lincoln”. “If we…. even submit to losing freedoms, the freedom to oppress for instance, we may discover other freedoms previously unknown to us.”
Freedom to allow the free growth of corporations with no regulations which in turn grows too big to swallow up(buy everything) from within including the government. Basically.
American here. Speech limits are time and place if a issue arises from that speech then you go to court where you are looking for the true intent of the speech
Total freedom only exists for a person that is the ONLY person alive on the planet. But as far a republics go ours is the most free to date. If Sweden valued their freedom enough to invest as much money/technology in defense as they do in social services then I would claim we are second. I believe with the entire planet being connected, the only thing that keeps a population from being truly free is the thread of domination by forces that do not want them to be so. And I did not make an error by excluding "external" from the statement of dominating forces. Racial supremist are as strong in our country as out. The most complete statement of freedom is "you are free to do what ever you want as long as it does not impede on someone else's freedom" In human history our republic has arrived closer to that ideal than any other. We need to celebrate this fact!!! Recognize our republic is not perfect so that we can work to improve it but celebrate how far it has come in such a short time.
I have to clarify what I believe was ArktoFreedoms point about people standing up for indigenous peoples rights and environmental protection being treated like criminals. Standing Rock is a prime example. Private security was allowed to mistreat people, as well as the state and other "law enforcement" using military tactics against unarmed water protectors in the interest of private industry. Leaders in the movement were surveilled by the FBI as if they were criminals versus people standing up for human rights.
Hello Mr. Beat, I have one question: Why does the U.S. seem to think every other country should behave as we do. Like even foods like pizza and tacos have been Americanized. We seem to think every countrys gov't should be like ours.
The death tax. I've seen families finally establish a business, but their not wealthy. No assets just the business. The Father dies and the government needs half of what the business is worth. The family has to sale the business to pay the tax, no more family business. So much for the American dream. I know about the dreams of the low income, sometimes no food on the table. This was my life as a young child.
@@TheMntnG I think they need to focus on taxes from big companies and family inheritance from wealthy families. Not from people that are barely making it. I am not from the middle class. My family were the people that John Steinbeck wrote about in The Grapes of Wrath, which is one of my favorite authors. My Grandmother used to tell me stories of what it was like being poor during the Great Depression. How it started when she first got married and how my Dad was born during that time. From what I've seen during my life, the lower your standing in society as a working person, the more the government and the rich live from what you make. To me, lower middle class and lower income families are the ones who pay.
@@serversurfer6169 that‘s the trick of the rich, they tell you poor lad that your money is at stake, when it‘s only theirs. they don‘t want to pay for everybodys education or infrastructure, they take it for free and dont want to give back
On the "political terms becoming useless and becoming slur" topic. It seems to like more and more people are misunderstanding, or misusing, certain political terms (such as neoliberalism, socialism, classical liberalism, etc). So you'll see people call Denmark socialist or call themselves socialist - even if they're not socialist. Like some people calling themselves, or someone they dislike, whatever because they don't know the actual term and so just use a term at the top of their head. So perhaps this is the reason why neolberal and classical liberalism are view negatively or why some terms are becoming meaningless. Sorry for my English.
@@jamicochran8961 I would have gone with "the workers control/own the means of production". State socialism is a thing, but it can also be in a non-governmental form like a co-op or worker owned business. Denmark, however, is a strongly "socialized" government that has positive liberties and protections for workers at the detriment of profits. Sure, the MARKET is free, but the means of production are geared not towards profit and taxes, but also towards health, safety, ease, and beauty. These aims are expensive, and the taxation rate of both capitalists and labor is much more fair than in the US. Right now in the US, to a lesser extent Canada, we have rejected progressive era restraints on corporations both in their monopolization but also in the ability for workers or consumers to negotiate. The market is heavily stacked in favor of the capitalists. Neo-Liberalism, in it's efforts to deregulate and free the market, led to "Right to Work" laws, exporting manufacturing to workers outside of the US protections to cut costs, and a demonizing of welfare as selfishness. Neo-Liberalism is not necessarily conservative, but it sure did more to unlock liberties for the owning class at the expense of the working class.
@@jamicochran8961 In fact it's more like the means of production are collective. That can mean they're decentrally owned by the workers in cooperatives, or owned by the government. But under that definition, the Danish economy is partially socialist, since healthcare and education are mostly publicly owned. Even the US is partially socialized, though less so. Most roads are public, a huge part of the education system is, a (smaller but still significant) percentage of hospitals, and police forces and the army. In fact, if you have a national army you're applying socialist policies to a degree.
@@iammrbeat as long you don't challenge him on any of his takes related to food or movies (even though they're obviously wrong), you should be good lol
“We hold these truths to be self evident, that _all men_ are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights…” “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” I disagree with the notion in the face of it that only citizens have rights. While I can see where the courts might side with a citizen in an “either/or” situation, in cases of terrorism or other non-citizen crimes, I don’t see the legal justification for saying that non-citizen of the US doesn’t have the same unalienable rights as a citizen. They won’t have the same civil liberties, like the ability to vote, but in terms of right to life, right to their own body, right to exist without persecution, the right to peruse their own happiness, etc…they have the same rights as you and me.
'freedom' and 'government' are inherently and irreconcilably at odds. I do not recognize any athority that claims to grant me the freedoms I was born with or reserves the right to take them away.
Just because it’s only been 100 years since we’ve become capitalist in our current sense doesn’t change the fact that we are in a late stage of capitalism. Our current system has ended up influencing people to have less children since the early 70s which has lead us to where we’re not replacing our working force being primarily 25-64 year olds. And with that demographic shrinking our consumption shrinks and capitalism only survives with consumption and with our consumption to have grown to where it’s it,for it to shrink will be catastrophic.
Freedom is for babies. Responsibility is for adults. As Victor Frankel said, we need a statue of Responsibility on the West coast to balance out the statue of Liberty on the East coast.
@@teotik8071 It's legal in many countries. I know it is in mine, Spain. You'd probably be called out by police if other people complained, but it's not an offense.
I see the argument for an income tax far more than I see one for a wealth tax. Theoretically you can only create an income thanks to the infrastructure and security provided by the state, and therefore you should giveback a portion of that income to both pay back what you got and help others do so as well. But transferring your money to someone else doesn't seem like something that the state deserves a cut of. Why? Should the government tax bank transactions as well? Take 20 bucks out of every 100 dollars you move? I don't like that idea. I don't like establishing that as a valid thing to tax. What does it matter that you earned it or did not earn it? That sounds like a moral argument.
Student loans could be made tax deductible tax based on income earnings and % of income one makes. We also have the freedom to fail, but debt such as Medical, old age, etc. should also have resources to help ppl out.
Neoliberalism, in fact, does exist. From Wikipedia's article on neoliberalism: "Neoliberalism (also neo-liberalism[1]) is a term used to signify the late 20th century political reappearance of 19th-century ideas associated with free-market capitalism after it fell into decline following the Second World War.[2]: 7 [3] A prominent factor in the rise of conservative and libertarian organizations, political parties, and think tanks, and predominantly advocated by them,[4][5] it is generally associated with policies of economic liberalization, including privatization, deregulation, globalization, free trade, monetarism, austerity, and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society.[14] The defining features of neoliberalism in both thought and practice have been the subject of substantial scholarly debate.[15][16]" I daresay Milton Friedman, who penned the essay "Neo-liberalism and Its Prospects" would assure you that it definitely exists, were he still alive. Hayek and von Mises, too.
24:20 - Id be scared to death if there was NO political division in this country cuz that would mean all dissent has been destroyed and we are living in North Korea. Americans (i am one btw) have a fetish for consensus when the only thing that brings progress is debate and political clashes. The British understand this because of the combative and partisan nature of their Parliament. I wish we could understand this more as well.
The baker didn't refuse to serve gay people; he refused to cater for a gay wedding. There's a massive difference and he made it quite clear about him serving gay people all the time. It is good to try to remain "objective" but I get the impression that some self called "academics" try way too hard to be seen that way and end up going against common sense. Another example being the vaccine debate. The whole "protecting others" was a mere talking point. It is the first time the unvaxed were seen as a risk for the vaxed. Besides risking the majority of the population with a totally new technology to "protect" a small fraction of the population, to end up finding out that such "vaccine" didn't stop transmission and actually increased the risk of heart issues. I guess is just the need not to be grouped with the likes of fox news or Prager, but the fact that they say or defend something doesn't necessarily mean is wrong 🤷
You only here freedom anymore, use to be coupled to democarcy. Freedom and democarcy, remember? But the democarcy part is gone today. Freedom to the capital class encompasses who to hire, who to sell to. Freedom to discriminate against the other for whatever or whoever. You can smoke pot, but my freedom to test you to see before I hire you or sell to you. My freedom to choose my God and require everyone around me to worship him or starve to death. I'm the wealthiest I own the property it's my freedom to tell you how to live. Freedom to leverage and coerce others for my personal gain.
In my opinion, you cannot have both income tax and estate tax. It’s essentially a double tax. Also, being good stewards and providing an inheritance for one’s progeny is a moral imperative in many religious traditions, so… I say get rid of both.
But JJ you would have to say that limited campaign spending and tax payer financed campaign spending in Canada does give our politicians more independence than our US counterparts.
As someone from the US, I'd say that keeps your politicians more honest, beholden to their constituents, not to corporate donors, which btw politicians here choose to get in bed with. That's why Bernie and people like him, who don't take corporate money, are such a big deal. ✌️😎🍀
~28:00: Guantanamo detainees, more than just lacking citizenship, lack existence “within” the U.S.. If those noncitizens were in Atlanta or DC, they would be afforded protection under the Constitution that they lack in the territory of Guantanamo.
I like how you guys started on the right but reality pulled you to the center. I have had a similar experienced being pulled from the left. On the “things European Socialists realized”, I want to respond in this way: Europe can afford to do a lot of things because the US is basically covering its military costs. This is less the case now than it has been in the past, but it is still the case overall that if Europe is threatened, the US will defend them. That creates a large chunk of the budget you can put towards social programs. I think the real push the US left needs to make is the make people question how much we spend in the military, because arguing over anything else is kind of pointless. We could do literally anything, from balancing the budget to universal healthcare to going to mars if we stopped burning half of our entire GDP on a military we seem to never want to directly use. Especially now that this military buildup isn’t even a deterrent for global conflict…what even is the point? On Unions, that is actually how unionization works in the US. Industry unions are collections of locals which are collections of shop unions. Top down labor organizing where you have this national union that is meddling with small shops is actually illegal. Most people don’t realize how effective strike techniques and organizing were actually made illegal in the US in the 1930s and 1940s.
The US Constitution protects everyone in the country regardless if they are citizens or not. If a tourist is visiting the US do you really believe they have no rights?
I don’t get how freedom house ranks UK more free than the US, when the speech laws here are terrible, the power the police have is extremely disturbing.
This was such a fun discussion. My hope that you are now as confused as ever about what "freedom" is after watching this. :)
One thing I forgot to bring up was how free some people actually feel in authoritarian countries. Many of them do feel "free" as the authoritarian government provides some sort of stability in their lives, whether that be economic security or actual security. It's often why people settle for dictators.
Mr. Beat, you should do a livestream with Kyle Kulinski.
Yes, but the Chinese and the Cubans have no idea what good freedom is. Look at Hong Kong and the protests there. They love the civil liberalism that the British let them have and now Communist China wants to swallow it up; they are fighting tooth and nail for it.
Thanks for defending authoritarian governments! Good to know I didn’t misread you.
@@ericrosenberg9059 Well that's literally not what I said, but once again everyone sees your true character. ;) Good luck.
@@iammrbeat Having economic security or safety is not freedom. “Freedom from” bad things, is not freedom. It is just fortune. Anyone that says the government gives them freedom because they give them protection is wrong. You philosophically allow that misconception to perpetuate. Freedom is autonomy. It is not privilege or protection. Civil liberties is a freedom. The government treating folks as autonomous individuals. Favoring one race or another is not freedom. It maybe civil rights and some form of socialism, you might think it’s just, but it’s not freedom. Affirmative action is socialism, it is not freedom. You might like socialism. You might like dominant govt control of outcome, but it’s not freedom. You may wish it was freedom, so you can identify as someone that understands and respects freedom, but unfortunately you aren’t
Great work here, you two. I appreciated your kind words and definitely learned a few things listening in.
Did not expect to see you here. Love your channel!
That's surprising.
I did not expect to see you here.
I didn't expect to see you here, either. I've been watching your channel for awhile and I enjoy your videos as well! Thanks for the kind words and for watching. :)
@@iammrbeat when muller charge manafort for things nothing to do with russia hack but let podesta go for same reason =blackmail dc to support blame russia to cover up fact 2 party system failed since mccain-hillary all did united fruit company scandal 2.0 but remain rich
recall fbi never look at physical evidence just crowdstrike/hillary words, cia break glass 2017 inauguration with media claim russia stolen election
george bush 14y ago said add ukraine to nato foreshadow nuland f eu coup 2014 support =
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2001 pentagon memo kill occupy iraq to syria
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aware USA can give everyone medicare+lower inflation so wages regain value but need to punish all those whom want to stay in Syria like Schiff/pelosi? they constant print money to occupy iraq-syria oil gold
force city to lower inflation/living cost greatly to prove daca worth it since for years dc never lower living cost only print dollars to do more refugee crisis
current ukraine gov is proxy since obama drew red line just like did in syria earlier arming rebels telling russia not to interfere while zelensky ethnic cleanse donbass region 7y=
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The world needs more Mr. Beat & JJ having intelligent long form discussions about complex multifaceted issues, topics, and ideas! I love both of your channels and the combination videos would be my work playlist dream!
That means a lot. Thank you!
@fuss how so?
Agreed! Love this.
My favourite two RUclipsrs interviewing each other… couldn’t ask for a better thing to watch
Thank you Mohamad!
you have good taste Mo!
Mr Beat and JJ are both awesome. Great seeing them together.
The most ambitious crossover event in history...
11:00 min in. I moved to Canada from the US and I love it, but only because I had no real expectations. If you think it's some sort of paradise up here, that suffers from nothing that the US does, think again.
But if anyone wants to come anyway, the process is a little time consuming, but simple. The government website is easy and fast to navigate.
Awesome to hear, what parts did you move to & from?
If you count purely by age range, I’m a millennial just like you two, but to me this is essentially a discussion between my cool history teacher and my cool politically inclined and/or Nintendo obsessed uncle. Yall are true intellectuals and we need rational people like you in the current climate. Never stop 🙂
Freedom of religion and freedom from religion go hand in hand. They do not oppose each other. The idea that they do will ultimately lead to the destruction of both freedoms in a society since that means that others practicing their basic rights infringes on yours. I think this is what French laicite gets wrong.
that struggle is meant to be perpetual; if one of the two sides wins humanity loses
Well put
@@kalui96 I like how you worded that
"Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell
its hAtEe SpeEEchH
@@kelvindoang1228 are you aware of who George Orwell is? 😂
tHiS iS aMeRiCa!!!
"Freedom's just another word for 'nothin left to lose'." - Janis Joplin
@@sabastian3022 who is that guy? I bet he is racist white male
Great stream with two amazing people
Thank you Tyler. :D
Mr Beat, you channel is so interesting and I've learned so much from it. Always have been interested in American politics, history, and music. You're like my mirroring nerdish-self from another continent. We're not alone, yay! Much love from Belgium!
I could get behind the idea of a Mr. Beat podcast. Perhaps one episode per month or so. I’d listen to every episode!!!
Well I've already done a few podcasts 🙂
@@iammrbeat Evidently I’m too new to your content! Lol I will look into it.
Keep up the great work!
BRUH YOU AND JJ LET'S GO TWO OF MY FAVS
There are rights and priviledges. Citizens of countries have priviledges. Humans have rights, until someone takes them away.
An important distinction. Thanks for bringing this up!
I follow both of these channels closely. Seeing you both together was a nice bonus!
loved this, you two! more, please
That’s a question we should all be examining now. Art has always played an integral role in shaping our perception of freedom and how it relates to the world at large. Emerson’s “The American Scholar” upheld the value and life of a free mind. Whitman’s “Song Of Myself” had a pluralist vision both personal and sweeping, E Pluribus Unum in the flesh. William Carlos Williams knew the idea of the thing is never the thing itself, so he emphasized the need for direct connection and fresh thinking, being there in the moment and always real…a freedom from all stifling media and preconception. Freedom without discipline degenerates on easy impulse. There’s form in formlessness, and so an image of freedom.
I think we should all be examining it now and forever. Something I didn't bring up but forgot to was how free some people actually feel in authoritarian countries. Many of them do feel "free" as the authoritarian government provides some sort of stability in their lives.
That is a good, unsettling point. Structure does enable us to extend our freedom, but as with any focus it’s canalizing. The frame can certainly be abused to box us in and limit thinking. Another thought for another video.
I just finished the Dictator’s handbook and I’d love for you guys to do an analysis on the scores the book uses to rate the relative freedom different countries have. For example, I think they said the US had a 0.96 (out of 1) and that it recently dropped down to a 0.92, but also when a country gets above 0.9 in terms of relative freedom it never goes back down. Big fans of both
I'd like to hope that level is a point of no return, but given some of the things we have seen in the world lately, and many parties just abandoning the concept of democracy or that they can lose a fair election is quite concerning.
@@wvu05 I think the general idea is once a country gets above 0.9, there is a level of freedom the people are simply too used to that they refuse to give it up because it is too ingrained in the society to dislodge without basically the country not being that country anymore.
Love you both, great collab!
Those who give up liberty for security deserve neither-Ben Franklin
It's another word for nothing left to lose
Freedom’s just another word for…nothing left to lose. - Janis Joplin
Now that I have been able to finish , this was an award winning conversation
Mr Beat needs a weekly show on NPR.
I'm in Oklahoma and remember being forced to have vaccines to attend public school 15 years ago or so but after COVID it got politicized and there are alot more antivaxers now, I don't know if that's still in place anymore.
But were the vaccines you took shielded from liability? If I took a small pox vaccine, then took a small pox booster followed by a 2nd small pox booster and still contracted small pox wouldn’t you conclude that vaccine & booster don’t work? If you concluded that the vaccine doesn’t work then why would you want to force that on someone versus allowing them to make the decision for themselves?
Almost all of these vaccine mandates for public schools are absolutely still in place.
It's also interesting to see how the politicization of vaccines has changed.
Until a few years ago, most anti-vaxxers were hippie-type progressives.
Do you want to eat in restaurants where the employees don't wash their hands after defecating? Do you want your surgeon to wear a mask to protect you or not? These are not matters of personal freedom but of public health.
I wouldn't say 'most', tons of religious right people were always against this initiative.
I feel like I've heard the argument that people don't like unions because they don't do enough but I often wonder how much union inaction is caused by people not participating. Although, I've never been part of a teacher's union so I may not see the whole picture. I like to think of unions as similar to democracy, they can only protect rights and freedoms if there is broad participation.
The more rights or privileges a nation-state allows its citizens or subjects testifies to how much openness or unreservedness they have against constraints. Freedom is more liberty to make more choices to raise up and break the chains of those constraints of life. I would also argue freedom is the amount of power a citizen or subject has in lieu of civil liberties or rights.
What would you say to: "allowing people too much freedom leads to more crime"?
I can see both parties using this argument. Its fundamentally authoritarian, but it is a solution people often reach for in reaction to blights of our society
@@kalui96 As Ben Franklin once said, "those who would give up some of their liberty in order to obtain temporary safety...deserve neither liberty or safety." And Ezio Auditore once said, "Liberty is messy but it is priceless."
@@kalui96 I don’t think there’s any correlation between freedom and crime. The nations with the most crime are all generally cartel nations or just failed states or near-failed states, not democracies or dictatorships.
@@Adsper2000 an argument can be made from those cartel's perspective that they are just operating in *their* free market/world. I do see arguments that can support your perspective too, I think Jocko Willink said something to the effect of "you can try to feed people and build them a shining city with a just government but it only works with benevolent government/people".
ofc it takes the whole village to agree to a social contract to make anything, whether communist, capitalist, authoritarian, or laisse faire, to work
I like this definition. It's still open to interpretation, but does narrow it down enough to lead to a strong framework when looking an individual cases and circumstances.
9:43 Right on brother!!! Never thought about it that way. Well balanced.
This was a delightful video to watch as I sewed. It provides quite a bit of food for thought and I learned a lot.
The ideal crossover
New sub here Mr Beat and I’m devouring your stuff, love it!
The perfect collab doesn’t exist…
Mr. Beat and J.J. : Hold our beers
Sanctions aren't really what you think of when you think of sanctions. They sanction individual people, not the whole country. For example, there may be sanctions against an Iranian oligarch who helps keep the horrible Iranian government in power, but if a regular Iranian wants to do something there's nothing but their own government stopping them.
Freedom means You can tell politicians or political leader where to go, and not be sent to prison or put to death. :)
28:00, In these situations where freedoms (perhaps more strictly, liberties) are qualified with caveats, as with your example of Native Americans in the US.
Maybe this is a pipe dream, but I'd love to build these caveats into my definition of freedom. This is a clunky start, but I'd love to spend some time meditating on it:
A Native American is affected by the denial of liberties to their ancestors and all that which went into (or didn't) them as they are today. This concept is often described as "intergenerational". That can lead to conversation about intergenerational trauma, wealth, knowledge- These have huge impacts, unseen by people privileged by wealthy histories. I'd love to see more focus on this in "white" circles (though I'd like to point out that upon learning about the generations preceding white people, one finds they have a much richer (not speaking monetarily) and more diverse history than their skin colour. Yes, many white people find themselves in positions of similar privilege now, but the lessons from the equalising of inequality among white people can be very useful, even if it's the realisation that apartheid used black people to prop up white people. Then we can even consider the concept of reparations.
There's a lot more to this, but I don't want to drag this comment on too long, so I'll cut it short there, hopefully it might inspire someone.
This definitely inspired me. We didn't hit on this topic much at all, so thanks for bringing this up.
As per usual JJ manages to talk about these issues without ever really committing to giving his own personal views. I felt like the whole discussion Mr Beat would say something he’s been thinking about (where he’s realising he’s a bit more left leaning than he originally thought) e.g. inheritance tax and asks JJ his view. JJ will then proceed to talk about what “some people believe”. In this case he explained his prediction that this topic will become a bigger issue. But doesn’t actually want to say which side he’s on.
Despite being an “open” conservative I’ve found his videos on the topic so non-committal. I find myself coming away from the video wondering what I have even learnt about him and what conservative policies he actually likes.
Despite that I enjoy his videos massively, the vast majority are non-political and we share an interest in the way the world is. It was cool that you had him on Mr Beat
Excellent point. Thank you.
For most of the "developed" world, the "moderate conservative" party is more left leaning than the primary US conservative party.
I must admit that I was surprised to find out that he was a Tory. Maybe the issues are different in Canada, and it's a case of the revolutionary becoming a reactionary, but I think it would be interesting, even as someone who is not a conservative, to hear how he landed that way.
JJ can be reserved, but he expresses strong opinions when it matters to him. I.e. the current Canadian RUclips bill, Quebec’s status in Canada, his opposition to China and their influence in north america. Many of the positions he expresses no strong opinion of, like abortion and gun rights, are largely American debates, so he might not care as much
@@eliotguerin192 meh I feel like these issues are fairly non-fundamental to what it means to be conservative. I see your point though.
What is your favorite song that has the word "freedom" as a lyric?
Freedom is a road seldom travelled by the multitude!
I'm really digging J.J getting around more on the platform. I've enjoyed his content for a long time, but I feared that given the general political nature of it, I would bias myself. However, you and him having a good discussion and apparently the admiration of the the GMS, makes me feel more sure of all of your opinions and work. You each gained my respect individually, and when you all converge like this it solidifies my trust.
hey mr.beat, i've watched you channel for a while and I am quite a fan. but now I have a humble request.
Please cover the situation in Iran, my home country, the more its known the better it will be.
My two favorite RUclipsrs
As a lefty it's nice to see more conservative perspectives on left wing opinions that aren't being argued in bad faith and assuming we are out to tear down civilization. Very refreshing
Right to work laws weaken workers rights but I agree with a lot of other stuff you guys talked about.
I’d love to hear JJ talk about IP law at length.
Him and I share a love of Nintendo games, but I am becoming very dubious of the level of control that corporations like Nintendo and Disney have over our minds because they are able to exercise control over characters and stories for basically our entire lives.
I will never know a world where JK Rowling doesn’t directly control Harry Potter. Is that good? I am honestly not sure where I stand. While I can see why that ability to create generational wealth is good for artists, is it bad for artists that we don’t have a cultural cannon to draw on for stories?
I do disagree with him on “living Christian values”…..I am Episcopalian, the American “branch” of the Church of England (we would say that we are “in communion” with the Anglican Church”, so think confederation not federation) and in my own mind, I am living out my faith. We are a tolerant church towards LGBT folks; we ordain women, gay and trans priests, our “good works” almost always involve donating time and money to our local food pantries and for me personally, I try to regularly donate time to my local organic farming coop that provides fresh produce to the Richmond, Va areas that are underserved by grocery stores.
I’m not trying to brag, I am just sayin, I live out a Christian life in a way that wouldn’t be captured in polling as being part of “Christian Nationalism”…and while I’m not trying to generalize my personal experience, but I just..idk. I want to push back on the ways in which these folks dominate what Christianity even is in people’s mindshare.
I don’t know if I believe in a literal devil. I know I don’t believe in a red guy with horns, so my question relates more to if evil is personified or something that comes purely from us.
What I do know is that evil doesn’t come from “nothing” in the way that good things seem to. Good is a light in a dark tunnel. The light was always there, it was just hidden from us. Cancer is the abberation and corruption of what is normal. What we call evil is the corruption of what is good. Always.
“Freedom” cannot be truly defined unless you exclude certain freedoms. As said in the movie “Lincoln”. “If we…. even submit to losing freedoms, the freedom to oppress for instance, we may discover other freedoms previously unknown to us.”
Freedom to allow the free growth of corporations with no regulations which in turn grows too big to swallow up(buy everything) from within including the government. Basically.
I love this discussion
very cool converstation! thoroughly enjoyed listening in
Rest 💞 in peace Queen Elizabeth II 🇬🇧👑🙏""
Freedom is wealth
really great show guys!
Not sure how I got here… woke up & it was playing… liked what I heard & now I’m subbed…. Cool.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose
Nothin don't mean Nothi if it ain't free
Constitutional convention now!
I'd be down with that.
American here. Speech limits are time and place if a issue arises from that speech then you go to court where you are looking for the true intent of the speech
Total freedom only exists for a person that is the ONLY person alive on the planet. But as far a republics go ours is the most free to date. If Sweden valued their freedom enough to invest as much money/technology in defense as they do in social services then I would claim we are second. I believe with the entire planet being connected, the only thing that keeps a population from being truly free is the thread of domination by forces that do not want them to be so. And I did not make an error by excluding "external" from the statement of dominating forces. Racial supremist are as strong in our country as out. The most complete statement of freedom is "you are free to do what ever you want as long as it does not impede on someone else's freedom" In human history our republic has arrived closer to that ideal than any other. We need to celebrate this fact!!! Recognize our republic is not perfect so that we can work to improve it but celebrate how far it has come in such a short time.
I have to clarify what I believe was ArktoFreedoms point about people standing up for indigenous peoples rights and environmental protection being treated like criminals. Standing Rock is a prime example. Private security was allowed to mistreat people, as well as the state and other "law enforcement" using military tactics against unarmed water protectors in the interest of private industry.
Leaders in the movement were surveilled by the FBI as if they were criminals versus people standing up for human rights.
YAY MR BEAT AND JJ
Hello Mr. Beat, I have one question: Why does the U.S. seem to think every other country should behave as we do. Like even foods like pizza and tacos have been Americanized. We seem to think every countrys gov't should be like ours.
The death tax. I've seen families finally establish a business, but their not wealthy. No assets just the business. The Father dies and the government needs half of what the business is worth. The family has to sale the business to pay the tax, no more family business. So much for the American dream. I know about the dreams of the low income, sometimes no food on the table. This was my life as a young child.
so one family is worth more than another?
if the govt takes it, thousands of kids can get education!
The estate tax only applies to wealth in excess of $12 million, so not sympathetic if real. 🙄
@@TheMntnG I think they need to focus on taxes from big companies and family inheritance from wealthy families. Not from people that are barely making it. I am not from the middle class. My family were the people that John Steinbeck wrote about in The Grapes of Wrath, which is one of my favorite authors. My Grandmother used to tell me stories of what it was like being poor during the Great Depression. How it started when she first got married and how my Dad was born during that time. From what I've seen during my life, the lower your standing in society as a working person, the more the government and the rich live from what you make. To me, lower middle class and lower income families are the ones who pay.
@@ldfox11
yeah that‘s why there are limits to the estate tax. I think 2mil would be fair. and then inflation adjustment.
@@serversurfer6169
that‘s the trick of the rich, they tell you poor lad that your money is at stake, when it‘s only theirs. they don‘t want to pay for everybodys education or infrastructure, they take it for free and dont want to give back
Finally a Collab
On the "political terms becoming useless and becoming slur" topic.
It seems to like more and more people are misunderstanding, or misusing, certain political terms (such as neoliberalism, socialism, classical liberalism, etc). So you'll see people call Denmark socialist or call themselves socialist - even if they're not socialist. Like some people calling themselves, or someone they dislike, whatever because they don't know the actual term and so just use a term at the top of their head.
So perhaps this is the reason why neolberal and classical liberalism are view negatively or why some terms are becoming meaningless.
Sorry for my English.
What do you believe Socialism is?
@@sabastian3022 An economic system where the government owns the the means of production.
@@jamicochran8961 I would have gone with "the workers control/own the means of production". State socialism is a thing, but it can also be in a non-governmental form like a co-op or worker owned business.
Denmark, however, is a strongly "socialized" government that has positive liberties and protections for workers at the detriment of profits. Sure, the MARKET is free, but the means of production are geared not towards profit and taxes, but also towards health, safety, ease, and beauty. These aims are expensive, and the taxation rate of both capitalists and labor is much more fair than in the US.
Right now in the US, to a lesser extent Canada, we have rejected progressive era restraints on corporations both in their monopolization but also in the ability for workers or consumers to negotiate. The market is heavily stacked in favor of the capitalists. Neo-Liberalism, in it's efforts to deregulate and free the market, led to "Right to Work" laws, exporting manufacturing to workers outside of the US protections to cut costs, and a demonizing of welfare as selfishness. Neo-Liberalism is not necessarily conservative, but it sure did more to unlock liberties for the owning class at the expense of the working class.
@@jamicochran8961 In fact it's more like the means of production are collective. That can mean they're decentrally owned by the workers in cooperatives, or owned by the government. But under that definition, the Danish economy is partially socialist, since healthcare and education are mostly publicly owned. Even the US is partially socialized, though less so. Most roads are public, a huge part of the education system is, a (smaller but still significant) percentage of hospitals, and police forces and the army. In fact, if you have a national army you're applying socialist policies to a degree.
I wholeheartedly agree with your comment!
Regarding 1:32:00:
In order to understand other peoples’ freedom, we need to understand - and appreciate - our own.
Aloha 🤙🏼
I would love to see you and Destiny talk! He’s only combative when talking to people attacking him
Well I don't plan on attacking him lol
@@iammrbeat as long you don't challenge him on any of his takes related to food or movies (even though they're obviously wrong), you should be good lol
“We hold these truths to be self evident, that _all men_ are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights…”
“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
I disagree with the notion in the face of it that only citizens have rights. While I can see where the courts might side with a citizen in an “either/or” situation, in cases of terrorism or other non-citizen crimes, I don’t see the legal justification for saying that non-citizen of the US doesn’t have the same unalienable rights as a citizen. They won’t have the same civil liberties, like the ability to vote, but in terms of right to life, right to their own body, right to exist without persecution, the right to peruse their own happiness, etc…they have the same rights as you and me.
'freedom' and 'government' are inherently and irreconcilably at odds.
I do not recognize any athority that claims to grant me the freedoms I was born with or reserves the right to take them away.
Just because it’s only been 100 years since we’ve become capitalist in our current sense doesn’t change the fact that we are in a late stage of capitalism. Our current system has ended up influencing people to have less children since the early 70s which has lead us to where we’re not replacing our working force being primarily 25-64 year olds. And with that demographic shrinking our consumption shrinks and capitalism only survives with consumption and with our consumption to have grown to where it’s it,for it to shrink will be catastrophic.
MR BEAT, please do a video on presidential portraits! Please...
Freedom is for babies. Responsibility is for adults. As Victor Frankel said, we need a statue of Responsibility on the West coast to balance out the statue of Liberty on the East coast.
Amazing video!
Thank you Sakib!
I can go from Paris to Berlin, naked and drinking, without needing cars or planes. that‘s freedom.
With being naked I'm not so sure. But probably not so much is going to happen. 😂
@@teotik8071 It's legal in many countries. I know it is in mine, Spain. You'd probably be called out by police if other people complained, but it's not an offense.
lol
We didn't have any planes flying into buildings BEFORE 9/11 either.
True
I see the argument for an income tax far more than I see one for a wealth tax.
Theoretically you can only create an income thanks to the infrastructure and security provided by the state, and therefore you should giveback a portion of that income to both pay back what you got and help others do so as well.
But transferring your money to someone else doesn't seem like something that the state deserves a cut of. Why? Should the government tax bank transactions as well? Take 20 bucks out of every 100 dollars you move? I don't like that idea. I don't like establishing that as a valid thing to tax.
What does it matter that you earned it or did not earn it? That sounds like a moral argument.
"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings." -- Optimus Prime of The Autobot Transformers.
Student loans could be made tax deductible tax based on income earnings and % of income one makes. We also have the freedom to fail, but debt such as Medical, old age, etc. should also have resources to help ppl out.
Neoliberalism, in fact, does exist. From Wikipedia's article on neoliberalism: "Neoliberalism (also neo-liberalism[1]) is a term used to signify the late 20th century political reappearance of 19th-century ideas associated with free-market capitalism after it fell into decline following the Second World War.[2]: 7 [3] A prominent factor in the rise of conservative and libertarian organizations, political parties, and think tanks, and predominantly advocated by them,[4][5] it is generally associated with policies of economic liberalization, including privatization, deregulation, globalization, free trade, monetarism, austerity, and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society.[14] The defining features of neoliberalism in both thought and practice have been the subject of substantial scholarly debate.[15][16]"
I daresay Milton Friedman, who penned the essay "Neo-liberalism and Its Prospects" would assure you that it definitely exists, were he still alive. Hayek and von Mises, too.
Freedom can mean many things to many different people. It's kind of an ambiguous word.
8 hour day. Its Australian!
Mostly negative freedons with some positive ones(healthcare, education, no pollution, etc)
You prefer to focus on the negative freedoms?
1:25:59 Dauphin cousins mentioned
24:20 - Id be scared to death if there was NO political division in this country cuz that would mean all dissent has been destroyed and we are living in North Korea. Americans (i am one btw) have a fetish for consensus when the only thing that brings progress is debate and political clashes. The British understand this because of the combative and partisan nature of their Parliament. I wish we could understand this more as well.
The baker didn't refuse to serve gay people; he refused to cater for a gay wedding. There's a massive difference and he made it quite clear about him serving gay people all the time. It is good to try to remain "objective" but I get the impression that some self called "academics" try way too hard to be seen that way and end up going against common sense.
Another example being the vaccine debate. The whole "protecting others" was a mere talking point. It is the first time the unvaxed were seen as a risk for the vaxed. Besides risking the majority of the population with a totally new technology to "protect" a small fraction of the population, to end up finding out that such "vaccine" didn't stop transmission and actually increased the risk of heart issues.
I guess is just the need not to be grouped with the likes of fox news or Prager, but the fact that they say or defend something doesn't necessarily mean is wrong 🤷
JJ and mr beat : D
Day 2 of asking for Las Vegas vs Phoenix
You only here freedom anymore, use to be coupled to democarcy. Freedom and democarcy, remember? But the democarcy part is gone today. Freedom to the capital class encompasses who to hire, who to sell to. Freedom to discriminate against the other for whatever or whoever. You can smoke pot, but my freedom to test you to see before I hire you or sell to you. My freedom to choose my God and require everyone around me to worship him or starve to death. I'm the wealthiest I own the property it's my freedom to tell you how to live. Freedom to leverage and coerce others for my personal gain.
Great video.
Thank you
In my opinion, you cannot have both income tax and estate tax. It’s essentially a double tax.
Also, being good stewards and providing an inheritance for one’s progeny is a moral imperative in many religious traditions, so… I say get rid of both.
Nice work.
But JJ you would have to say that limited campaign spending and tax payer financed campaign spending in Canada does give our politicians more independence than our US counterparts.
As someone from the US, I'd say that keeps your politicians more honest, beholden to their constituents, not to corporate donors, which btw politicians here choose to get in bed with. That's why Bernie and people like him, who don't take corporate money, are such a big deal. ✌️😎🍀
~28:00: Guantanamo detainees, more than just lacking citizenship, lack existence “within” the U.S.. If those noncitizens were in Atlanta or DC, they would be afforded protection under the Constitution that they lack in the territory of Guantanamo.
A leftist creator would be noah samsen or fd signifier and sharkzero. I think sharkzero would have a great conversation with you.
People being equal was a novel idea? Did Christians before then never read Paul’s letter to the Galatians? Specifically Galatians 3:28
I like how you guys started on the right but reality pulled you to the center. I have had a similar experienced being pulled from the left.
On the “things European Socialists realized”, I want to respond in this way: Europe can afford to do a lot of things because the US is basically covering its military costs. This is less the case now than it has been in the past, but it is still the case overall that if Europe is threatened, the US will defend them.
That creates a large chunk of the budget you can put towards social programs.
I think the real push the US left needs to make is the make people question how much we spend in the military, because arguing over anything else is kind of pointless. We could do literally anything, from balancing the budget to universal healthcare to going to mars if we stopped burning half of our entire GDP on a military we seem to never want to directly use.
Especially now that this military buildup isn’t even a deterrent for global conflict…what even is the point?
On Unions, that is actually how unionization works in the US. Industry unions are collections of locals which are collections of shop unions.
Top down labor organizing where you have this national union that is meddling with small shops is actually illegal. Most people don’t realize how effective strike techniques and organizing were actually made illegal in the US in the 1930s and 1940s.
I could be convinced that free market is ok, but capitalism is not free market.
moustache guy is definitely a CIA agent lol
Can you have freedom without responsibility?
The US Constitution protects everyone in the country regardless if they are citizens or not. If a tourist is visiting the US do you really believe they have no rights?
Mrbeast can u make a video of every president's fav color
I don’t get how freedom house ranks UK more free than the US, when the speech laws here are terrible, the power the police have is extremely disturbing.