I was extremely disappointed with the Political Typology and Isidewith tests. Here are the best political tests in order after going through this: 1. 10groups 2. 8values 3. 9axes 4. Political Compass 5. Political Typology 6. Isidewith
I am really surprised to hear that you think isidewith is bad. I always thought it was incredibly pertinent in determining or aligning your views with parties and candidates rather than broadly
@@bleedingpopcorn6 I think it used to be a lot better than it is now, but it still works better for parties than it does candidates I think. I think a lot of its issues are with how it weighs things, and the fact that a lot of questions are irrelevant, but I'm not certain on this The main reason I say it's bad for candidates is personal experience though, and I will say that I'm kind of hard to place since I don't really fit with either conservative or liberal. But for example it says that I should vote for Donald Trump even though he's quite literally the reason I left the Republican Party (I was always a moderate and a swing voter, but I ended up going Republican often enough I felt like "left wing Republican" was the most accurate way to describe me, although I was definitely more "reddish-purple" than red and could vote either way (and in some midterm elections voted Democrat for one position and Republican for the other)
@@russelldavis1359 that may be part of why mine was so off, because when I took isidewith there were a lot of questions I felt "eh sort of, not really" or "it really depends on the situation" so I ended up feeling dissatisfied with even my own answers in a lot of cases. One of the ones that comes to mind was the question about whether Jerusalem should be recognized as the capital of Israel and my immediate response was "that sounds like Israel's problem not ours" and there was no "I legitimately don't care" response... I eventually said no because I thought moving our embassy there might be unsafe given the number of rockets that get launched from the East Bank and that officially recognizing Jerusalem as the capital would make it much easier to move our embassy there in the future. The algorithm probably took that as a pro-palistinian stance rather than a neutral ideological stance and a practical position of "I don't want our guys getting shelled every three years" But that's just one of many where I didn't feel like my answers reflected how I actually felt on the issue. And I ended up with a lot of fill in the blanks as a result
When people call Biden a far-left politician and a Marxist, I can’t help but laugh. It makes me wonder what they think a centrist is if he is a Marxist and far-left.
@@jangamecuber In my opinion why people say this type of stuff is because they fall for the division that is pushed by media and a lot of politicians on both sides of the political spectrum. This leads them to think that all democrats are far left. I have also seen it the other way where people think that all republicans are far right. The reality is that very little amounts of people are far left or far right, but what is publicized by these media outlets kind of makes it seem like every democrat is crazy or every republican is crazy, and some people fall for it.
@@tmartin6300 Biden is not far-left. And he is definitely not a Marxist or a communist like extreme far-right in US like to characterize him as. He is a center-right moderate for the most part. He has a few left-wing and liberal positions. But nothing he is willing to be to fight for with any tenacity.
Excellent stream Mr. Beat. I may not see eye-to-eye to you on some of these issues, but overall, I respect your reasoning for each stance you take, and I greatly enjoyed this stream.
You know, I was thinking the exact same thing. With how divided the US has become in politics, I highly respect people who don't identify with a specific party, just like Mr. Beat, and people who use logic and reasoning in their opinions instead of what other people think.
Whenever I do these quizzes I always I assume “agree” means “I agree for the most part but there are edge cases” and “strongly agree” means “this is fundamentally true/I don’t see how there could be any other viewpoint” (and obviously the other way round for “disagree” and “strongly disagree”) So yeah I always saw it less as “how strongly do you feel about this” and more “how much do you believe this statement to be true”
I generally agree with this, but there’s another thing that can happen with a lot of these tests that makes them hard to judge accurately. You might a question like “Protectionism is sometimes necessary in trade” which of course it is sometimes, but if I click agree, then that would seem to imply that I’m in favour of protectionism, so I end up clicking disagree and eventually you start interpreting your own results before you even get them
Strongly agree. You almost need to get two answers out of each question to get an accurate opinion: "How much do you believe this statement to be true or untrue?" and "How strongly do you feel positively or negatively about this statement?"
To those who just want the answers: Left Libertarian 53:17 Liberalist 1:21:51 Social Libertarian 1:47:03 Outsider Left 2:04:42 Green 2:44:27 Centrist 3:21:24
Just after watching Mr. Beat for the first time I could tell right away that he was a moderate with balanced political views, despite him not revealing much personally, because of how apparent his intent to present data objectively for educational purposes was. And that's why I instantly subscribed without a second thought. Well, that and his particular charisma, not gonna lie.
You don't HAVE to be moderate to present all sides of an issue fairly. Just empathetic and honest about your biases to yourself. I'm an anarcho-communist, but I've had students guess my politics are all OVER the spectrum because I'm good at trying to present the best face of an idea even if I disagree with it (the term often used is "steelmanning," and I think more people should do it when engaging with philosophies they disagree with). Mr. Beat's really good at being fair to ideologies he doesn't accept as true, which is the main reason he's so good at this, not necessarily his overall neutrality. A great historical example is Cicero's "de Finibus," in which he, a skeptical Stoic, tries to present a balanced debate between a Stoic and an Epicurean (and which I, as a more Epicurean individual, find to be mostly pretty fair).
Moderate just sounds like a way to not take a defensive side on anything because things are going to fall on one side or the other and can be the logical position. Also you can speak on history and not be a moderate
I love seeing which issues we disagree on, because you're able to offer a clear perspective on WHY you feel the way you do, which in turn gives me another perspective on the issue to think about.
"'from each according to his ability to each according to his need' is a fundamentally good idea" Depending on how I want to interpret that on a given day I could quite literally answer it any of the 4 ways. One of the worst questions on that quiz and one that gives almost no insight into a persons actual beliefs.
Yeah it's probably meant to be Marxist since it is directly quoting him, but how I want to interpret the word "fundamentally" will change my answer If I'm interpreting it as "sieze the means of production" I'm going to strongly disagree... if I want to interpret it as "as a society we ought to take care of our less fortunate members" then I'm going to strongly agree... Most of the time I'm probably going to interpret it somewhere in-between
I took 8values and 10groups before your stream ended, and now I finally got the free time to look through this. While you got Liberalism and Centrism, respectively, I got Social Democracy. Pretty good tests.
Social democracy is an interesting category: it basically means you like capitalism with a bit of socialism sprinkled in. I've read that on the political spectrum, it's considered slightly left. Funny enough, I've heard some conservative parties in Europe are social democrats.
I didn’t even know 10groups existed before watching your stream but it is definitely the most comprehensive political test I’ve since taken. I didn’t agree with a number of your positions but the reasoning you gave for some of them (especially the questions pertaining to economics) have made me want to take a 2nd look at some of my current stances and reevaluate them. In case you’re curious, the 10groups test gave me the closest match for Social Democracy with next matches being Libertarian Socialism and Social Democracy (this being listed twice for some reason)
Amusingly as an economist myself I found his arguments on economy to be on the weaker side. They were, like the economic thinking was 20 years ago (when I was studying it). And not like economic thinking is today with the added knowledge those years have given. But it was great fun
This was extremely refreshing to watch & listen to. In a time where every opinion is scrutinized by so many people from all sides, it’s nice to see someone express their thoughts in a coherent & comprehensive manner, all the while allowing room for discussion & even disagreement in the name of progressing towards the greater good of us all. Cheers to you, Mr. Beat!
Love your videos Mr. Beat. I love your non tribalistic lens of US government. It makes me feel hope for connection with others rather than tearing each other down
The pro choice position is actually the more pro life position. Contraception, sex education and family planning clinics have been shown to statistically lower abortion rates. On the other hand, criminalizing abortion has never solved anything except raising the maternal mortality rates which is why only authoritarian extremely socially conservative nations have tried it. If your ideals are to save as many people as possible, increasing contraception access to prevent unwanted pregnancies should be the ideal. not to mention the whole thing of trying to police women's bodies is authoritarian and "big government".
Additionally an argument from the biological/scientific can be made that life doesn't start until birth all the way to life starts before conception because egg and sperm are living cells so it is a continuous life onto life. The main question is when does the zygote/embryo/fetus turn into a full fledged human. This is why the line was placed stating "survival outside the body" because that was deemed that the 1 being became 2 (one inside another). Unfortunately it does seem that a lot of people on the "it's all life" side also are not ones saying instead of abortion let's setup and fund centers to raise them post removal
I agree with everything you said except the last bit. It's not authoritarian to say you can't end a life, even when that life is within another's body.
@@ADT1995 On the political compass, is IS authoritarian. Anything that regulates an individual's freedoms or autonomy, is authoritarian rather than libertarian. It is super broad though. No abortions is authoritarian just as no guns is. So the "Left" and "Right" in America both want Authoritarian and Libertarian ideas. Left says less guns (authoritarian), Right says less abortions (also authoritarian)
@@tylerblue9691 on a political compass yes, but I was using the more narrow meaning of the word. I'm not saying you're wrong, I should have been more clear.
The most important phrase I’ve learned as I’ve gotten older is “I have no strong opinion on that one way or the other” especially when I don’t know much about the situation
You really did yourself a disservice by taking the 45 question version of the 9Axes quiz. The questions are not tailored for a shorter format but are just 45 randomly selected questions from the real quiz. I followed along while watching this and the results were not reflective of my actual beliefs. For example, I strongly support non-interventionist foreign policy and want the draft abolished but the quiz said I lean militarist.
One thing about the political compass is I never know whether to put "(dis)agree" or "strongly (dis)agree". When I take it I usually end up putting "strongly" for most of them and then I get a result like (-9, -9) even though functionally there's no difference between what I believe and what someone at (-3, -3) would believe.
When you were saying we should get rid of minimum wage, I was disagreeing pretty heavily, but when you said to implement universal basic income if you do, I actually then agreed, though I usually switch the order: I want universal basic income, but if you implement it, then you can get rid of minimum wage. Not to mention various welfare things like disability which become no longer strictly necessary.
Removing minimal wage and adding universal basic income will be catastrophic to the minority individuals. These programs incentivize people to be lazy and so are you to from what I’m reading
@@bwayne9265 You don't know anything about me. Do you just call anyone who advocates for UBI lazy? Is Mr. Beat lazy then? Get over yourself. I always find this idea of "UBI will just make people lazy" really funny because its an unintentional admission that low level jobs are only sustainable by threats of death or violence (eviction/homelessness/lack of Healthcare, etc). Im not going to say that some small few people are going to just sit around and do nothing all day, but most those people are already doing that. UBI is not suggesting to give people so much money they can live lavishly. The idea is that living off of UBI only would kinda suck ass, but at least you'd have some kind of roof over your head and you can live. If you want a better life, you can find a job. And jobs will need to pay whatever is appropriate for people to do them, rather than relying on threats of homelessness to coerce people to do them. Entice with reward rather then threaten with punishment. UBI will largely become necessary once automation has replaced enough jobs anyway. Eventually there will simply not be enough jobs to go around. I'd rather people start looking into it now before it becomes a big crisis.
Regarding beliefs, in his movie Dogma, Kevin Smith made one of the wisest observations I’ve ever come across, that it’s better to have ideas than belief’s because ideas can be changed. That concept changed my entire way of thinking. There are people who will kill and die over a belief. People treat their beliefs as if they’re some unquestionable truth when, by definition, they’re not. What’s more, few people ever stop to question or re-examine their beliefs, but beliefs are a choice. We accept what makes sense to us. Given that, it’s astounding what people choose to believe.
That's one of those things that sounds wise, but really isn't. If true, there would be no lapsed Catholics, lapsed Jews, lapsed Fundamentalists, lapsed Communists, lapsed Fascists or lapsed vegetarians. Not to mention lapsed Flat Earth Society members. Glib, is what I would call it. Really, what it is is a way to stigmatize people of faith.
It would be interesting to get people from all different life experiences to take each of these tests, and then average results to gauge the bias of each test
I used to hate moderates and nuance as a teenager and i stumbled on your channel and slowly but surely,i deduced that you were a moderate.But you convinced me (along with some other youtubers like JJ mcllough)that pragmatism is more effective than blind tribalism and being ideological and not in a direct way but by presenting both sides and presenting data and facts in an unbiased way without any political agenda and the few political videos you have done were amazing and not just pushing an agenda,also to think case by case instead of subscribing to one ideology. This has been an amazing video thank you for sharing you views,and teaching me(and i would say millions of others)to critically think instead of idiotically rallying behind the party or the leader.
I can understand having a stance against a minimum wage but there has to be collective bargaining strong enough that a minimum wage law becomes pretty much pointless to have. Before that however, there does make sense to have a minimum wage law since unions aren't strong enough in the US at all.
@@lemurwrench6344 Not necessarily, unions aren't just about wages, they're also about making sure each worker gets their voice heard and isn't mistreated
@@WiloPolis03 Yes, because he knows that if he keeps making you pee in bottles that you'll leave & just live off your UBI while you search for a different job with better conditions. Like I said, you have leverage now.
Great stream, Mr. Beat! I initially thought that you would be slightly to the right economically and that you would just barely land at the Libertarian Right quadrant on the political compass but it turns out that you are solidly Libertarian Left. I took the political compass test and I just barely landed at Libertarian Left as well, almost at Authoritarian Left.
@@iammrbeat Yeah I agree with you on foreign policy. Economically I’m probably slightly to the left of you but I think that socially you are more libertarian than me.
I got libertarian left as well barely though I go back-and-forth between barely libertarian right or barely libertarian left. I used to be more left leaning, but I was more of a left-wing centrist and now I’m more right leaning centrist, some abusive changed a little bit but my views on things like gun control and abortion have pretty much say the same my views on other things like drug use and social programs have changed quite a bit though.
@@iammrbeat Just out of curiosity, what would you think of the argument that Jimmy Carter was a Center-Right President who later became a Liberal once he left the White House? This is because when Carter was in politics, he initially moved the Democratic Party more towards the Center. That's why he picked a Senator like Walter Mondale.
I'm completely pro-choice, not because I support Abortion but because I don't think the goverment should have any regulations of someone's body. Some states are even trying to ban plan b and contraceptives, I think these Abortion bans are setting a precedence for something much worse.
@@abrahamlincoln937 I can second that. I label myself as abortion positive over pro-choice. I think it's fantastic that we now have the means for safe and effective abortion (it's extremely cheap/easy before 10 weeks too!). It's extremely harmful to individuals and our society to try to influence or coerce people into carrying their unwanted pregnancies to term.
@@Ruby_V_ well after some point the baby also becomes a person woth a body in my opinion and then the mother descides about the babies body. Also it takes two to get pragnent and, unless in case of rape, having sex is a choice. I also think government can and should not outlaw abortion completely, but late-term abortions should really be illegal
@@wannerknappe0483 Most women don't carry a fetus to the third trimester and then abort for funsies. Sometimes the fetus is even dead, or not viable, and the "abortion" is just a procedure to remove the dead tissue because it is dangerous/traumatic for the woman to just wait it out. There is so much gray area, that's why I am pro-choice. I made the decision to have my daughter in a difficult situation and I ended up being lucky. But I know other women in my situation were not lucky, they are dead. Grief and pain gives you wisdom. If you don't know the many heartaches that drive a woman into the abortion clinic, count yourself lucky, but don't think you are capable of being the arbiter of who is allowed to seek this necessary medical care. You don't understand it fully enough, you never could, each situation is different.
@Cokeland Saxton Gaming Homophobia exists independent of Christianity. In some atheist states such as USSR and PRC, gay people were harshly punished. It is an authoritarian thing not a Christian thing.
@@night6724 um no the legislation of homosexuality in the USSR was confirmed in the RSFSR Penal Code of 1922. While it might not have been Lenin that confirmed it, the code was legalized under him
This is a great point in that people that take the time to research our history or not die hard when it comes to picking a side. I’ve notices with others to that are really intelligent.
yea the way he used the word ideology made it clear he doesn’t understand how politics really work on a human level, its the problem with all centrists they spend so long trying to suck their own dick talking about how they have no opinions and both sides have bad aspects and then they become complicit when the obviously worse side takes the other sides rights theres no both side on trans rights consercative dont have ‘a point’ they can join the conversation when they grow up, they are disconnected from reality its its honestly pitiful responding to moron conservatives, they all have the exact same fucking arguments i maybe see a new con argument every 5 months
Out of nowhere, my mother, when I was in my forties, told me, " I'm sorry I broke your spirit, Audrey. No one should ever do that to a child." And while I'm grateful to have heard that from her, it doesn't unf*ck my entire life, due to the "spirit breaking" she did. I'm also weirdly happy for her that she obviously had done some soul searching about abusing me my whole life & in the end, was able to see how negatively it affected me, & she was able to come to me to try to make amends over it. She died about a year or so after that. And though I'm very happy she got that off her conscience, in reality those words did nothing to actually fix anything in me she had broken. It feels hollow & numb, hearing her say it in my mind thousands of times since then..... I value that she was made more whole in self awareness & by admitting she knew what she did to me & that it was wrong & she wished she hadn't done that. To this day, I miss her. She was a great mom in other ways, aside from the abuse she put me through. And I'm still trying to win the approval I'll never get from my dead mother through other ppl, who are also never going to give me that validation, that it's okay to be who I am.
The so-called “left” in the US is considered right-wing in Europe…with the 2 major political parties, we, essentially, have a centrist and secular, albeit, idealistic party (Democratic) and a far-right/authoritarian/religious conservative party (Republican).
Retired combat veteran here. 26 years total, enlisted and officer, worked in Intelligence, Special Operations, and Cyber Security. My Political Compass result: Economic Left/Right -6; Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -5.28. The result is about the same as it was the first time I took it in the late 90s. If I remember correctly, though, Libertarian was in the top of the quad and Authoritarian was in the bottom previously. Other political typology tests that I taken before always peg me as Liberal, Liberal Democrat, or Socially Liberal and Fiscally Pragmatic.
@John Doe I’m from gen phuck up (Gen Z) and I consider myself a conservative. Despite not having a family that went to church often at all and they never instilled political or religious values on to me. I simply think the leftist are idiots, I know it’s unhealthy but I’m referring to the far left which took most powers in the Democratic Party. They have been forcing trans classes even though they know little about it’s sociatal effects, I personally see it as a media virus to put it bluntly. I can’t fully explain but I have gathered a lot of information that’s hard to process but, I see them as using drastic and dirty tricks to implement socialist reforms. I’m not blindly against socialism but they are going for full Marxism, indulging critical race theory, really all the things from the 1960s (Literally all the movements from the time have Marxist ties) which all want to control the culture. Plus the attempt for a ‘ministry of truth’ including reading text messages-what even Obama tried. All and all one party sees the only option as full blown communism and the others incompetent.
Yeah once you get past differential equations, math becomes a lot more abstract and theoretical. I'm not a mathematician, but still fascinated by people building their careers off things like the four-color theorem.
In a college class we had a unit on critical thinking, the professor literally said "You must think critically about every proposition and viewpoint" then at the end of the lecture "This should just be taken as fact" when someone questioned his bias. In the assignment for the unit I wrote "I do not believe that a critical thinking class taught at this point in my college career is beneficial and if I have classmates who are learning new material from this lecture I do not believe they will function well after graduation."
It is extremely hard to teach critical thinking, in HS it mainly came down to doing critiques from different lenses and that basically meant teaching people to think in those specific lenses rather than for themselves. I find it's one of the biggest reasons the political left can't seem to grasp the viewpoints of the political right and say they're "uncritical" since teaching is a rather leftist profession (at least in Canada) so the "lenses" taught are often left leaning. I think the viewpoints of the instructor get in the way too often, only time I had a class where the instructor actually was cool with criticism was my economics writing class where the professor was far left but really allowed for you to write/debate any opinion/critique of the material you wanted and he actually graded it fairly.
Mr beast while I genuinely love you videos I'm confused on where your getting your information about public sentiment about abortion when polling shows that 60-70% of Americans consistently support the precedent set by roe v Wade and abortion rights? And this is over a period of decades, you make it sound way more 50/50 then it actually is.
And this is especially after the leaked majority option draft that came out yesterday, most political scientists agree that if a conservative court overturned roe v Wade the Democratic party would see dramatic shift in support
Ah I tried to link a pew research article that supported my claim but I don't think RUclips will let me, its not hard to find if you try searching for it tho
@@iammrbeat The development of methods and techniques, involving statistical. and other mathematical treatments, for the study of political structures. and behaviour by the analysis of quantitative data. This includes. questions of statistical theory, probability theory, measurement, data. is what Google says. There must be something more to it than that or else it wouldn't be a hot button issue.
@@dragonskunkstudio7582 that’s what the math behind it is, the more to it though is that Florida banned virtually all K-5 math textbooks except those from The Carlyle Group.
The video of these socio-political assessments was very informative, Matthew. The ten groups test for me seemed to be the most comprehensive in terms of getting the most contextualized percentages as to what the closest representation of what one's premises (Everything is just that as far as I'm concerned apart from natural things such as both choice and force which're all or nothing to me anyway. Aside from those, most things are relative) may be for them since a lot of the questions are dealing with a case-by-case version. Still probably not up to fullest song or nearly as sufficient as it preferably should be, but it's the best we have. Even with its flaws (And everything's flawed if we're honest) it's one of the more realistic measuring sticks we have of course. I resent too many categories myself, but they're useful and pretty much the only way humans can get a feel of results by dissecting criteria and such. We reciprocate a lot of commonalities with the beliefs from these quizzes, but it scored me as being a little more openly liberal compared to other benchmarks for it since I'm consistently typed as an INTJ-to-INFJ and an independent progressive so while I'm a rational person, I do tend to bring my own sense of morality into a lot of decisions with good reasons in my life, so it is what is as I understand it. It grouped me into what I thought I still am which was into the Left-Libertarianism-to-Libertarian Socialism quadrants. I was actually a little more conservative than I had initially anticipated. Still primarily a shamelessly liberal person though. I will say that social programs are overall more reliably thoughtful than charities as means of helping out the disadvantaged on a regular basis simply because it shouldn't be left up to the fickleness of human emotions to decide whether or not to benefit someone, but of course there's always that obverse of the dignitaries holding out on someone and an entity using private means for public ends to empower someone and turn the system on its head with sustainable policy making. But at least in law resources are supposed to be distributed fairly. It's such an earnest honor that you're KU alumnus and I'm such an enormously impassioned Jayhawks fan. The basketball program is practically a bellwether for so much of the sport in my central opinion. Here are my results for ten groups if anyone longs to see for their betterment. I've took the other tests before and found both reaffirmations and disappointments with them, so I won't include those for now. I may at a further date. Thanks for the many insights and uploads you've shared with us from your content, Mr. Beat. 10groups.github.io/results.html?y=-1.10&ay=1.75&x=-3.31&ax=-3.31&bx=0.33&by=-2.82&cx=-1.37&cy=-4.46&dx=-7.09&dy=-4.56&ex=-1.45&ey=5.67&fx=0.33&fy=-4.40&gx=-3.00&gy=-6.33&hx=-5.00&hy=1.00&ix=4.25&iy=4.00&ja=-1.33&jb=7.50&jc=-3.67&jd=-1.50
One saying changed a great deal of how I see the world and it applies to a few of the questions here- "Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people."
Late term abortions only happen when they have to. There shouldn’t be any restrictions or exceptions. We cannot make it harder for people who REQUIRE an abortion just because a percentage of people abort by choice. Abortion must remain legal in all cases. 1:45:16
I really like your stance on Universal Basic Income and the Minimum Wage. I wish Andrew Yang was elected as Mayor of Nyc to see what the outcome of a Universal Basic Income would have looked like.
Tbh Mr.Beat answers these questions... stupidly sometimes. -The stronger the leadership, the better. "Well, does this mean they lift weights, does it mean they support diversity?"' No, what do you think it means. And in the political compass test he seemed to focused on the specifics of it instead of testing his biases and prejudices like the test said it was meant for. And with -Testing products on animals is ethical. The first thing his mind went to is "Well, technically humans are animals" What do you think 'should' means? A. You HAVE to do something, it's the law B. It's a generally good thing I want you to do If I say you should do something, obviously it's B, but he says "Well, I don't like this word 'should', do you mean we'll go to jail and we have to do it???" once again... _what do you think it means?_ 1:33:15
I'd be curious if a legitimate sociology experiment which had people take many of these political compass tests and then averaged the results would show these tests to be accurate (at least when averaged together).
It's nice to see that you're supportive of trans people, at least broadly. There's been a lot of fear-mongering about the issue in recent years, and I think a lot of that has to do with the general public not understanding the transgender experience, and not being educated about trans healthcare (especially what that looks like for children), and certain fascist elements both in and out of the US making it a hot button political issue, which has only hurt trans people. Anecdotally, I've heard a lot of people say it's harder to be trans now than it was ten years ago.
Also, something that both LGBT and normal people fail to understand and/or communicate to one another is that trans and gay people also do not understand the straight (particularly straight male) experience. From what I've seen, I'd say that most LGBT people are under a false impression that the disgust they are met with from most straight men is socially programmed into those men. As if they arent genuinely disgusted but are simply putting on a show in order to feel masculine. This of course, could not be further from the truth. Straight males have a biological instinct to immediately become traumatized upon the thought of sexual acts involving gay men or transgender women. In the exact same sense that most would feel the same towards pedophilia or beastiality.
"I've heard a lot of people say it's harder to be trans now than it was ten years ago." Of anyone blame the corporate duopoly and their use of the issue to evade economic policy (because that would expose the corporate corruption in the political system) more than anything.
Just an FYI for anyone taking ISideWith, you need to take the additional questions (should be on a right sidebar) for it to be accurate in any way whatsoever
23:25 it's a question that can be interpreted many ways. Henry George (not a socialist) was in favor of making all land a public good, economically, while still allowing private use of land. This would be archived by simply shifting all government revenue to a land value tax
@@tudoraragornofgreyscot8482 I am 100% Pro-life, OK now that I think about that that’s not the thing I disagree with him the most, because he does have a pretty moderate position on abortion.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 Why though? Abortions are still going to happen even if it is made illegal, I hope you realize that. It is better that it happens in a safe, clean, well maintained clinic rather than some of the sketchy back alley "clinics" that women are going to go to if they are desperate to have an abortion. If you care about children suffering then you should demand that the government fix the broken foster care system. And what about in cases of rape or incest?
@@0816M3RC nonsense, obviously somebody who’s looking at this on a totally superficial level and I say that a lot and I kind of hate saying it but I honestly don’t know what else to say you are looking at this on a superficial level,because it’s not about control if you actually try to understand any of the arguments for the pro-life position you wouldn’t be saying this you’re being completely disingenuous.
As an anarchist I really enjoyed this stream! Despite obviously not aligning exactly with my views, you’ve still always been one of my favorite RUclipsrs/streamers on these sorts of topics. Even then, it does turn out we agree on quite a few things. Great stream!
I appreciate your consideration on abortion. I’m genuinely scared to die from pregnancy after Roe being overturned. Any abortion exceptions are hard to prove, so there have been women forced into almost death to get dead fetal tissue with a heartbeat out of their bodies. Scary stuff.
Mr. Beat, there are ectopic pregnancies and severe deformations of fetuses and overall cases where it's found out some 5months+ into the pregnancy when it's best suited for a woman to abort, like stillbirths and such, where a woman might want to carry the baby to term, but.. Simply unable to. Even abortions at the last minute can save lives on either side, so please keep that in mind going forward. Biology is really freaky sometimes.
Just found your channel… very much align with you apparently after watching this video.. incredibly aligned with you.. after many years of liberalism 😬 I began homeschooling my kids after Covid once I figured out I could swing it financially and realized how important it is for kids to have a solid foundation… So important to teach kids HOW to think as opposed to WHAT to think… thank you, I will now be using your videos…
Speaking of taxes, couples with household incomes of $200K - $500K are definitely overtaxed, compared to those who earn under that range and those earning millions/year. …and on abortion, most Americans are pro-choice/pro-reproductive liberty. The decision to have an abortion is between a woman and her doctor…it’s not the governments business, it’s not a religious or moral issue that that is of concern to anyone else. We are secular nation, not an authoritarian theocracy.
I appreciate the reasoning through the questions. I think you might be over analyzing the use of "should" - in many cases it sounds like you are inferring "should" as "must." I look at "should" as the recommended or ideal, but not compulsory. But, yeah, as an engineer, I struggle with a lot of the absolutist questions myself because I'm always thinking of the exceptions.
I think, in addition to this, you should try out the political sextant quiz. It matches you up with ideologies, and shows you which ones you most and least agree with. I learned about ones I had no idea even existed, so I had fun with it.
44:09 a few minutes before this timestamp you had a question about whether able people who don’t work should be supported, and I initially strongly disagreed but what you said about (paraphrasing) wanting humans as a species to stay alive gave me a perspective I hadn’t thought about when it comes to this question
You know, I consider myself center right, maybe even more on the right by today's standards lol...but I just love Me. Beat. The guy is smart and knowledgeable as hell and even if there are things I don't agree with him on, he cas still explain his point of view to the point when I start questioning my position on them :D I'd really like to just chat with him about politics. If there is someone who can turn a right-wing person into a left-wing faster than Palpatine turned Anakin to a dark side then it's Mr. Beat. And I 100% agree with critical thinking. Propositional logic and critical thinking classes were my favorites back when I was studying at the uni.
@@night6724 Regarding success and class struggle, I'm also curious on your opinion of Ralph Nader. He's not mentioned a lot but he had a lot of success at one point, and did a lot for consumer protection.
@@night6724 *Green Party. Anyways, based on what I know he (*edited, Nader) was incredibly influential in the 1970s and was consistently working with Congress to get more consumer protections passed. Then big business locked out his press time and soon due to more corporate-friendly measures he lost access to Congress as well. The loss of his and other consumer protection groups' access to Congress is why he became involved with presidential politics in the first place. Then came 2000, where he ran an impressive campaign, and was used as a scapegoat in a truly awful manner by the Democratic Party ("spoiler") following Gore barely losing, this was really due to the Supreme Court in my opinion. This is also where my dislike of Sanders stems from as he actively believed the myths and refused to return any of his calls despite how familiar Nader is with the system, and I feel this adds to your point that Sanders is more of an ideologue than an accomplisher, who even worse shilled for the Democratic Party.
mr beat, i really enjoy your content. i would like to challenge you on the pro life issue. making “exceptions” and still making it illegal to obtain abortions does harm even with exceptions put in place, and it essentially forces a person to give birth without consent. and you could argue that being pregnant in and of itself is life threatening, as your risk of death (and other conditions) increases significantly simply by being pregnant. so with this we would ask “what does life threatening mean?” we would need to define it, and once we put laws around that, issues arise. when we have the law involved in abortion care, more women AND babies die. i also find it interesting that you have the stance that you lean away from authoritarianism, yet this changes when it comes to abortion issues. why? is it because you believe a fetus should have equal rights as any other living human? this is fair, but again i would urge you to conduct more research here on the notion that government interference overall leads to more deaths and therefore does not facilitate life. you also mention self defense as a means of violence in certain instances. could you not then argue that abortion is self defense as, again, being pregnant is inherently a threat to your life or at least your life as you know it? is it okay to force all individuals of a certain sex to go through bodily changes while the other sex as a whole does not have this threat? is it moral to force women to have less bodily autonomy? the second that any government is able to establish laws around abortion, including exceptions, is stripping a woman of some bodily autonomy and this is only instance where we see this as being okay. why? you also stated that you disagree with the sentiment that “most people have inherently bad morals.” is this different for women? do you not trust most women to make their own choices about their bodies? ultimately the decision as a whole should be left up to a woman and her medical team, and it is not ethical for the government to interfere in any way, as this ultimately puts the woman’s life at risk as well as the babies life at risk as government interference bleeds into other medical access. you may argue this as the slippery slope fallacy, but statistically this is true. in situations where women lack fundamental abortion rights, we see higher maternal and infant deaths. those situations include our history, and also in states where abortion laws with exceptions are put in place. please look into this and challenge your current stance and make a video of it. i would be very interested to hear your thoughts. (:
i also urge you to research why and when late term abortions happen. they are not out of inconvenience. do you think family members should have the right to pull the plug on a family member who is not at capacity to live life? or should that be up to the government? is it wrong to pull the plug on grandma knowing she won’t live a viable life? this is how we should be thinking about the abortion issue including late term abortions. when we say late term abortions are horrific, we are saying these women are awful, when in reality, we don’t know why these women are making those choices. this seems to be the issue you know the least about and i would strongly urge you to research this a bit more(:
also: you say “that is just not happening” in response to transgender children in kindergarten being indoctrinated into crossing over to the other gender aside maybe a one off case. why do you not hold the same opinion for late term abortions? less than 1% of abortions in america are late term and are often due to a devastating diagnosis where something has gone horribly wrong with the baby. should a woman then be forced to carry to term inhumanely? the ultra majority ( ~93% ) of abortions happen before 20 weeks. really want your opinion on this(:
Your fear of being labeled as a socialist biased your results, especially on the 8 Values test. You're economic axis would have been higher toward equality had you answered how you really wanted too.
I’m gonna be completely honest. I love your vids and content, and your opinions on this will not affect how much I watch your videos in any way. I frankly don’t agree nor do I respect your opinion on abortion and the 2nd amendment, however I do respect the fact that you have those opinions. This is what people need to understand. You don’t need to agree or even respect the actual opinion itself, but you aren’t usually a good person if you can’t respect and understand the fact that they have their own opinion and you’re a bad person if you hate on them for that opinion. Loved the video!
At around 1:44:40 you said you don’t know anyone that is for late term abortions. Well, now you know one person Mr. Beat! I know it sounds bad but here’s my reasoning: I think absolutely no woman would be pregnant for 8 months and then spontaneously change her mind. At that point, you’re getting ready for the baby’s arrival and there’s even hormones released that make you feel extremely protective over the baby. The reason I feel that late-term abortions should be legal is because of a story I read about a woman named Elizabeth Weller who nearly died because of an abortion law. The embryonic fluid sac burst in her womb and the baby was still alive but was bound to die and kill the mother in the process. The doctors were afraid to be sued by the state for performing an abortion before she had a specific list of symptoms. However, time is of the essence in these cases when the mothers life is at risk and no body is always going to have the same symptoms in all cases. That’s why I believe that we should cut out the bureaucracy and save peoples lives in the process. Having an abortion ban EXCEPT when the mothers life is at risk sounds great but it’s actually really difficult legally to define when she’s at risk and that does lead to the death of many mothers. Don’t hate me in the comments just putting my opinion out there.
completely agree with you! i think this is the one issue that mr beat has not done much research on. less than 1% of abortions happen after 20 weeks and it is usually due to a horrendous unexpectedly diagnosis in which it would be inhumane for both baby and mother to carry to term. more people need to do their research on this before speaking including mr beat. i was shocked at his stance on this to be frank. he seems so logical yet this stance confused me as he is antigovernment for the most part.
i also think this is the only time where the law becomes life threatening as these are the only law where the government intervenes with medicine. therefore this is an example of inequality as only one sex has the risk of experiencing the direct life threatening consequences of these laws.
One of the questions on the political typology quiz had me realise I was seeing it differently than most people who agreed with me. I said it would bother me slightly if I heard someone speaking a language I didn't understand, but in my head, it would bother me in the same way whispers would. I'm a nosy person, I want to hear everything, and I love people watching. So it wouldn't bother me because its a different language than the one most typically around me, but it would bother me in a nosy "guys please let me in on the gossip please" kind of way.
Where I stand politically tends to be Libertarian Left Leaning (looking at my results in most of these tests) But great video and shows the political tests that are good
I agree with you in mostly putting agree and disagree(even though some questions I may go the other way), I strongly agree that governments should hold accountable companies that mislead the public
The reason anyone would feel personally attacked over their political beliefs is because they're based on feelings and not on any kind of empirical observations.
I guess I'll sound as Captain Obvious, but, whatever, I think it should be emphasized that most if not all of those tests are very, very US-centric. Especially on issues such as abortion, gun control, and universal healthcare, I'd say, but this goes beyond. And it has consequences regarding the political spectrum. Mr. Beat's answers would sound way more right-wing where I live.
I like how he’s like “btw I have a video about this” for like every 3rd question. What a beast. They should call him mr. Beast. Or wait is that already a thing…
The 10Groups and Infinite Values (expansion of 8 values) are my favorite ones because they have many different spectrums. A simple left-right spectrum, or even the basic political compass is not enough!
"I generally lean prolife, I think pretty much everyone does, no?" Not saying you're right or wrong but the political bias was SEEPING through that statement in a way I thought was kinda funny. I would say I am very much not 'pro-life', although I generally resent that horrifically loaded and unnuanced term.
@49:00 I just want to add that the government actually is many times MORE efficient than charities at distributing welfare because the government has no direct fundraising costs. Taxation is legally mandated, getting funds for your charity costs lots of money.
yikes on waffling on whether a nation should serve foreign interests equally to those of its own citizens. other nations are EQULLY as entitled to the benefit of our tax revenue as those who are taxed? completely unserious position you put your own house in order first. you put your own mask on before assisting other passengers. you make yourself strong so you can be useful to others when you need to. it is nice to think that our 200m working age people can solve the problems of the bottom 5B but it’s just hubris putting the burden on your citizenry to ship their treasure oversees until the world is equal doesn’t exactly create strong work incentives for your new slave class. you’re just creating incentives for your most productive people to move to a country that wasn’t bent on economic suicide. if you are not putting your people first, you are de facto putting them last.
For the boarder I think improving the system for vetting immigrants would nearly eliminate peaceful immigrants crossing illegally. The main problem right now is that we do not have the people to process immigration so people are told to wait for decades for their hearing. We instead spend that money on policing the boarder and trying to determine if an immigrant is peaceful or not. If it wasn't so hard for people to peacefully enter the country then the dangerous people would be almost the entirety of people crossing illegally.
Took these tests with you, and despite disagreeing with you on some issues, we fall rather closely on most of the tests! I'm slightly more liberal and lean more towards libertarian than you, and leaned more towards pacifism, but other than that fell rather closely. Though on the Typology Test I was Establishment Democrat instead of Outsider Left.
I think it's really hard to usually exactly label oneself on where they are on the political spectrum, because like: it's not just about what policies and values you prefer, but also how *passionate* you are about those things if that makes sense?
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I was extremely disappointed with the Political Typology and Isidewith tests.
Here are the best political tests in order after going through this:
1. 10groups
2. 8values
3. 9axes
4. Political Compass
5. Political Typology
6. Isidewith
I am really surprised to hear that you think isidewith is bad. I always thought it was incredibly pertinent in determining or aligning your views with parties and candidates rather than broadly
@@bleedingpopcorn6 I think it used to be a lot better than it is now, but it still works better for parties than it does candidates I think.
I think a lot of its issues are with how it weighs things, and the fact that a lot of questions are irrelevant, but I'm not certain on this
The main reason I say it's bad for candidates is personal experience though, and I will say that I'm kind of hard to place since I don't really fit with either conservative or liberal. But for example it says that I should vote for Donald Trump even though he's quite literally the reason I left the Republican Party (I was always a moderate and a swing voter, but I ended up going Republican often enough I felt like "left wing Republican" was the most accurate way to describe me, although I was definitely more "reddish-purple" than red and could vote either way (and in some midterm elections voted Democrat for one position and Republican for the other)
Insidewith doesn’t work if you do to many fill in the blanks since there isn’t a human to weigh the answer
Are you going to post a truncated version of this video?
@@russelldavis1359 that may be part of why mine was so off, because when I took isidewith there were a lot of questions I felt "eh sort of, not really" or "it really depends on the situation" so I ended up feeling dissatisfied with even my own answers in a lot of cases.
One of the ones that comes to mind was the question about whether Jerusalem should be recognized as the capital of Israel and my immediate response was "that sounds like Israel's problem not ours" and there was no "I legitimately don't care" response... I eventually said no because I thought moving our embassy there might be unsafe given the number of rockets that get launched from the East Bank and that officially recognizing Jerusalem as the capital would make it much easier to move our embassy there in the future. The algorithm probably took that as a pro-palistinian stance rather than a neutral ideological stance and a practical position of "I don't want our guys getting shelled every three years"
But that's just one of many where I didn't feel like my answers reflected how I actually felt on the issue. And I ended up with a lot of fill in the blanks as a result
When people call Biden a far-left politician and a Marxist, I can’t help but laugh. It makes me wonder what they think a centrist is if he is a Marxist and far-left.
the people who say that think they're centrists
@@jangamecuber In my opinion why people say this type of stuff is because they fall for the division that is pushed by media and a lot of politicians on both sides of the political spectrum. This leads them to think that all democrats are far left. I have also seen it the other way where people think that all republicans are far right. The reality is that very little amounts of people are far left or far right, but what is publicized by these media outlets kind of makes it seem like every democrat is crazy or every republican is crazy, and some people fall for it.
Centrist in america means right wingers
Being left wing or right wing doesn't necessarily mean extremist. Moderates, centrists and extremists exist on both sides, but they are all different.
@@tmartin6300 Biden is not far-left. And he is definitely not a Marxist or a communist like extreme far-right in US like to characterize him as. He is a center-right moderate for the most part. He has a few left-wing and liberal positions. But nothing he is willing to be to fight for with any tenacity.
Excellent stream Mr. Beat. I may not see eye-to-eye to you on some of these issues, but overall, I respect your reasoning for each stance you take, and I greatly enjoyed this stream.
Thank you!
@@iammrbeat hello pls shoutout
^ what this person said ^
@@iammrbeat mr beast give me money
You know, I was thinking the exact same thing. With how divided the US has become in politics, I highly respect people who don't identify with a specific party, just like Mr. Beat, and people who use logic and reasoning in their opinions instead of what other people think.
Whenever I do these quizzes I always I assume “agree” means “I agree for the most part but there are edge cases” and “strongly agree” means “this is fundamentally true/I don’t see how there could be any other viewpoint” (and obviously the other way round for “disagree” and “strongly disagree”)
So yeah I always saw it less as “how strongly do you feel about this” and more “how much do you believe this statement to be true”
I generally agree with this, but there’s another thing that can happen with a lot of these tests that makes them hard to judge accurately. You might a question like “Protectionism is sometimes necessary in trade” which of course it is sometimes, but if I click agree, then that would seem to imply that I’m in favour of protectionism, so I end up clicking disagree and eventually you start interpreting your own results before you even get them
Strongly agree. You almost need to get two answers out of each question to get an accurate opinion: "How much do you believe this statement to be true or untrue?" and "How strongly do you feel positively or negatively about this statement?"
“What furry persona would I probably be? Probably sonic the hedgehog.” 💀
@AidanO-H13 Like right at the beginning
@@scarletpachydermhe divided us all 😢
"The GOP is not the small government party" - Mr Beat, aka, Mr Based.
Its surprising what following policy instead of the GOPs slogans can do
Socialist?
in terms of small government terms of the economy, but some social issues not for small government.
@@hydrospace1 im a hoppean (paleolibertarian-ancap) and i agree
both parties are tyrannical
Not anymore, neocons are dying out, right win populism is winning
Political Compass: 12:00
8 Values: 55:05
9 Axis: 1:23:40
Political Typology: 1:48:45
ISideWith: 2:07:30
10 Groups: 2:50:20
Discussion: 3:25:10
thank you
Thanks so much for the time stamps, Mr. Harrison!!!
Thanks
Thanks for the time stamps.
Thanks man
Thoroughly enjoyed the stream and taking the test side-by side while discussing with chat! GrillBeat and Radical Left Beat deserve to be memes.
Thanks for being here!
So now that we know Mr Beat is the ultimate centrist I guess we can make him President now.
lol well according to 10groups I am, at least.
No, he's a left libertarian.
Why in the fuck is that a good thing to be? You know who else is a centrist? Joe fucking Biden lmao along with most old-blood democrat leaders.
@@emmasnow29 no, he is a left-leaning centrist-libertarian
@Aleksandar Milović I agree
To those who just want the answers:
Left Libertarian 53:17
Liberalist 1:21:51
Social Libertarian 1:47:03
Outsider Left 2:04:42
Green 2:44:27
Centrist 3:21:24
This deserves more likes
what a journey
"liberalist"
Left wing. Could never guess by the glasses and Funko Pops.
@@toffeenut1336Hahaha what? Glasses have nothing to do with politics lmfaoooo
(And Funko pops are for nerds)
Just after watching Mr. Beat for the first time I could tell right away that he was a moderate with balanced political views, despite him not revealing much personally, because of how apparent his intent to present data objectively for educational purposes was. And that's why I instantly subscribed without a second thought. Well, that and his particular charisma, not gonna lie.
Wait charisma? I have charisma? Then apparently I need to start a cult! All bad jokes aside, thanks for the kind words. :)
Many historians are, I feel like.
@@iammrbeat haha well, it must take some sort of charisma to get a following of over half a million people.
Thank you for the quality content!
You don't HAVE to be moderate to present all sides of an issue fairly. Just empathetic and honest about your biases to yourself. I'm an anarcho-communist, but I've had students guess my politics are all OVER the spectrum because I'm good at trying to present the best face of an idea even if I disagree with it (the term often used is "steelmanning," and I think more people should do it when engaging with philosophies they disagree with). Mr. Beat's really good at being fair to ideologies he doesn't accept as true, which is the main reason he's so good at this, not necessarily his overall neutrality.
A great historical example is Cicero's "de Finibus," in which he, a skeptical Stoic, tries to present a balanced debate between a Stoic and an Epicurean (and which I, as a more Epicurean individual, find to be mostly pretty fair).
Moderate just sounds like a way to not take a defensive side on anything because things are going to fall on one side or the other and can be the logical position. Also you can speak on history and not be a moderate
I love seeing which issues we disagree on, because you're able to offer a clear perspective on WHY you feel the way you do, which in turn gives me another perspective on the issue to think about.
the least conservative man in Kansas
Hopefully by watching this you now will re-think what you mean by "conservative"
@@iammrbeat it's a joke
@@OatmealGrillBlazerNo, you just worded it wrong.
"'from each according to his ability to each according to his need' is a fundamentally good idea"
Depending on how I want to interpret that on a given day I could quite literally answer it any of the 4 ways. One of the worst questions on that quiz and one that gives almost no insight into a persons actual beliefs.
I hate it lol
i think its meant to be a weird way of asking "do you support Karl Marx". if you answered yes, the quiz will put you as far left
Then again it's one of Marx's maxims and a very well known communist slogan in general.
Yeah it's probably meant to be Marxist since it is directly quoting him, but how I want to interpret the word "fundamentally" will change my answer
If I'm interpreting it as "sieze the means of production" I'm going to strongly disagree... if I want to interpret it as "as a society we ought to take care of our less fortunate members" then I'm going to strongly agree... Most of the time I'm probably going to interpret it somewhere in-between
Heck, I could even interpret that as a social Darwinist (nazi) quote
I took 8values and 10groups before your stream ended, and now I finally got the free time to look through this. While you got Liberalism and Centrism, respectively, I got Social Democracy. Pretty good tests.
Social democracy is an interesting category: it basically means you like capitalism with a bit of socialism sprinkled in. I've read that on the political spectrum, it's considered slightly left. Funny enough, I've heard some conservative parties in Europe are social democrats.
I got either Anarcho Communism or Revolutionary Socialist?
@@VegitoBlue2028 values test is weird when it tries to match an ideology
@@VegitoBlue202based
I didn’t even know 10groups existed before watching your stream but it is definitely the most comprehensive political test I’ve since taken.
I didn’t agree with a number of your positions but the reasoning you gave for some of them (especially the questions pertaining to economics) have made me want to take a 2nd look at some of my current stances and reevaluate them.
In case you’re curious, the 10groups test gave me the closest match for Social Democracy with next matches being Libertarian Socialism and Social Democracy (this being listed twice for some reason)
I got those exact same results
It gave me Georgism followed by Mutualism and Social Democracy
It gave me radical centrism followed by centrism and apoliticism... (Which I'm guessing is it's way of saying "hard to tell")
I got syndicalism. Next matches were libertarian socialism, anarcho-syndicalism, and minarcho-socialism
Amusingly as an economist myself I found his arguments on economy to be on the weaker side. They were, like the economic thinking was 20 years ago (when I was studying it). And not like economic thinking is today with the added knowledge those years have given.
But it was great fun
This was extremely refreshing to watch & listen to. In a time where every opinion is scrutinized by so many people from all sides, it’s nice to see someone express their thoughts in a coherent & comprehensive manner, all the while allowing room for discussion & even disagreement in the name of progressing towards the greater good of us all. Cheers to you, Mr. Beat!
Love your videos Mr. Beat. I love your non tribalistic lens of US government. It makes me feel hope for connection with others rather than tearing each other down
Thank you so much. My hope is that most of my viewers don't succumb to tribalism and ideologies as well.
@@night6724 do you mind explaining that to me? i never heard of it, not an american.
loved this stream. not gonna lie, it made me smile when all the tests put our values within 5% of each other. fantastic video!
haha well thank you!
The pro choice position is actually the more pro life position. Contraception, sex education and family planning clinics have been shown to statistically lower abortion rates. On the other hand, criminalizing abortion has never solved anything except raising the maternal mortality rates which is why only authoritarian extremely socially conservative nations have tried it.
If your ideals are to save as many people as possible, increasing contraception access to prevent unwanted pregnancies should be the ideal.
not to mention the whole thing of trying to police women's bodies is authoritarian and "big government".
Additionally an argument from the biological/scientific can be made that life doesn't start until birth all the way to life starts before conception because egg and sperm are living cells so it is a continuous life onto life. The main question is when does the zygote/embryo/fetus turn into a full fledged human. This is why the line was placed stating "survival outside the body" because that was deemed that the 1 being became 2 (one inside another). Unfortunately it does seem that a lot of people on the "it's all life" side also are not ones saying instead of abortion let's setup and fund centers to raise them post removal
Well said. Abortion is a culture war tool that spawned in the late 20th century.
I agree with everything you said except the last bit. It's not authoritarian to say you can't end a life, even when that life is within another's body.
@@ADT1995 On the political compass, is IS authoritarian. Anything that regulates an individual's freedoms or autonomy, is authoritarian rather than libertarian. It is super broad though. No abortions is authoritarian just as no guns is. So the "Left" and "Right" in America both want Authoritarian and Libertarian ideas. Left says less guns (authoritarian), Right says less abortions (also authoritarian)
@@tylerblue9691 on a political compass yes, but I was using the more narrow meaning of the word. I'm not saying you're wrong, I should have been more clear.
The most important phrase I’ve learned as I’ve gotten older is “I have no strong opinion on that one way or the other” especially when I don’t know much about the situation
You really did yourself a disservice by taking the 45 question version of the 9Axes quiz. The questions are not tailored for a shorter format but are just 45 randomly selected questions from the real quiz. I followed along while watching this and the results were not reflective of my actual beliefs. For example, I strongly support non-interventionist foreign policy and want the draft abolished but the quiz said I lean militarist.
One thing about the political compass is I never know whether to put "(dis)agree" or "strongly (dis)agree". When I take it I usually end up putting "strongly" for most of them and then I get a result like (-9, -9) even though functionally there's no difference between what I believe and what someone at (-3, -3) would believe.
When you were saying we should get rid of minimum wage, I was disagreeing pretty heavily, but when you said to implement universal basic income if you do, I actually then agreed, though I usually switch the order: I want universal basic income, but if you implement it, then you can get rid of minimum wage. Not to mention various welfare things like disability which become no longer strictly necessary.
Do it with one bill, both simultaneously
@@Hhhhhh-sz9ud Yeah, thats the best way to do it
Removing minimal wage and adding universal basic income will be catastrophic to the minority individuals. These programs incentivize people to be lazy and so are you to from what I’m reading
@@bwayne9265 You don't know anything about me. Do you just call anyone who advocates for UBI lazy? Is Mr. Beat lazy then? Get over yourself.
I always find this idea of "UBI will just make people lazy" really funny because its an unintentional admission that low level jobs are only sustainable by threats of death or violence (eviction/homelessness/lack of Healthcare, etc). Im not going to say that some small few people are going to just sit around and do nothing all day, but most those people are already doing that. UBI is not suggesting to give people so much money they can live lavishly. The idea is that living off of UBI only would kinda suck ass, but at least you'd have some kind of roof over your head and you can live. If you want a better life, you can find a job. And jobs will need to pay whatever is appropriate for people to do them, rather than relying on threats of homelessness to coerce people to do them. Entice with reward rather then threaten with punishment.
UBI will largely become necessary once automation has replaced enough jobs anyway. Eventually there will simply not be enough jobs to go around. I'd rather people start looking into it now before it becomes a big crisis.
@@bwayne9265 if UBI is applied to everyone regardless of employment status, then it doesn’t create that incentive
Regarding beliefs, in his movie Dogma, Kevin Smith made one of the wisest observations I’ve ever come across, that it’s better to have ideas than belief’s because ideas can be changed. That concept changed my entire way of thinking. There are people who will kill and die over a belief. People treat their beliefs as if they’re some unquestionable truth when, by definition, they’re not. What’s more, few people ever stop to question or re-examine their beliefs, but beliefs are a choice. We accept what makes sense to us. Given that, it’s astounding what people choose to believe.
Well put!
That's one of those things that sounds wise, but really isn't. If true, there would be no lapsed Catholics, lapsed Jews, lapsed Fundamentalists, lapsed Communists, lapsed Fascists or lapsed vegetarians. Not to mention lapsed Flat Earth Society members. Glib, is what I would call it. Really, what it is is a way to stigmatize people of faith.
this is an amazing quote
“Not if those values suck” is such a good line.
It would be interesting to get people from all different life experiences to take each of these tests, and then average results to gauge the bias of each test
I used to hate moderates and nuance as a teenager and i stumbled on your channel and slowly but surely,i deduced that you were a moderate.But you convinced me (along with some other youtubers like JJ mcllough)that pragmatism is more effective than blind tribalism and being ideological and not in a direct way but by presenting both sides and presenting data and facts in an unbiased way without any political agenda and the few political videos you have done were amazing and not just pushing an agenda,also to think case by case instead of subscribing to one ideology.
This has been an amazing video thank you for sharing you views,and teaching me(and i would say millions of others)to critically think instead of idiotically rallying behind the party or the leader.
Moderates don't support a universal basic income. That's socialism.
Just saw this. Thanks for the kind words!
As a Socialist I see that revolution is last ditch effort but for now Reform could be a better option.
@@VegitoBlue202 A revolution is never going to happen
I still dislike moderate but nuance is always good and liberals (real liberals not mfers trying to bring centrists into the right) are based.
I can understand having a stance against a minimum wage but there has to be collective bargaining strong enough that a minimum wage law becomes pretty much pointless to have. Before that however, there does make sense to have a minimum wage law since unions aren't strong enough in the US at all.
UBI can give workers enough leverage by itself. Collective bargaining on top of that is unnecessary. UBI makes minimum wage & unions both obsolete.
@@lemurwrench6344 Not necessarily, unions aren't just about wages, they're also about making sure each worker gets their voice heard and isn't mistreated
@@WiloPolis03 again, unions do that through leverage. UBI also creates that leverage so if you uni you don't need unions.
@@lemurwrench6344 Mfw bosses decide to stop making their workers pee in bottles because they received basic income
@@WiloPolis03 Yes, because he knows that if he keeps making you pee in bottles that you'll leave & just live off your UBI while you search for a different job with better conditions. Like I said, you have leverage now.
I missed this due to friends visiting but I'm glad a fellow Kansan is so well informed even if we disagree on a few points.
Represent!
Great stream, Mr. Beat! I initially thought that you would be slightly to the right economically and that you would just barely land at the Libertarian Right quadrant on the political compass but it turns out that you are solidly Libertarian Left. I took the political compass test and I just barely landed at Libertarian Left as well, almost at Authoritarian Left.
Fascinating stuff. Yeah I figured our political views might be similar. I used to be more Libertarian Right when I was younger.
@@iammrbeat Yeah I agree with you on foreign policy. Economically I’m probably slightly to the left of you but I think that socially you are more libertarian than me.
I got libertarian left as well barely though I go back-and-forth between barely libertarian right or barely libertarian left. I used to be more left leaning, but I was more of a left-wing centrist and now I’m more right leaning centrist, some abusive changed a little bit but my views on things like gun control and abortion have pretty much say the same my views on other things like drug use and social programs have changed quite a bit though.
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@@iammrbeat Just out of curiosity, what would you think of the argument that Jimmy Carter was a Center-Right President who later became a Liberal once he left the White House? This is because when Carter was in politics, he initially moved the Democratic Party more towards the Center. That's why he picked a Senator like Walter Mondale.
"the people who are in power are really good at tricking the people who aren't in power to hate each other" THIIIIISSSS
I'm completely pro-choice, not because I support Abortion but because I don't think the goverment should have any regulations of someone's body. Some states are even trying to ban plan b and contraceptives, I think these Abortion bans are setting a precedence for something much worse.
Yeah, I actually think the majority of people are against abortion.
@@iammrbeat Yeah I think that people who identify as pro-choice believe that abortion should be legal even if they personally oppose abortion.
@@abrahamlincoln937 I can second that. I label myself as abortion positive over pro-choice. I think it's fantastic that we now have the means for safe and effective abortion (it's extremely cheap/easy before 10 weeks too!). It's extremely harmful to individuals and our society to try to influence or coerce people into carrying their unwanted pregnancies to term.
@@Ruby_V_ well after some point the baby also becomes a person woth a body in my opinion and then the mother descides about the babies body. Also it takes two to get pragnent and, unless in case of rape, having sex is a choice. I also think government can and should not outlaw abortion completely, but late-term abortions should really be illegal
@@wannerknappe0483 Most women don't carry a fetus to the third trimester and then abort for funsies. Sometimes the fetus is even dead, or not viable, and the "abortion" is just a procedure to remove the dead tissue because it is dangerous/traumatic for the woman to just wait it out. There is so much gray area, that's why I am pro-choice. I made the decision to have my daughter in a difficult situation and I ended up being lucky. But I know other women in my situation were not lucky, they are dead. Grief and pain gives you wisdom. If you don't know the many heartaches that drive a woman into the abortion clinic, count yourself lucky, but don't think you are capable of being the arbiter of who is allowed to seek this necessary medical care. You don't understand it fully enough, you never could, each situation is different.
@Cokeland Saxton Gaming Homophobia exists independent of Christianity. In some atheist states such as USSR and PRC, gay people were harshly punished. It is an authoritarian thing not a Christian thing.
What was this a response to?
No it wasn’t lol.
Lol ???
Just adding some more detail to the USSR homosexuality was legal under Lenin but was made illegal under Stalin
@@night6724 um no the legislation of homosexuality in the USSR was confirmed in the RSFSR Penal Code of 1922. While it might not have been Lenin that confirmed it, the code was legalized under him
This is a great point in that people that take the time to research our history or not die hard when it comes to picking a side. I’ve notices with others to that are really intelligent.
There's nothing wrong with being ideological so long as you're not dogmatic
And realizing both left and right are dogmatic (even despite the left being “anti church”)
yea the way he used the word ideology made it clear he doesn’t understand how politics really work on a human level, its the problem with all centrists they spend so long trying to suck their own dick talking about how they have no opinions and both sides have bad aspects and then they become complicit when the obviously worse side takes the other sides rights
theres no both side on trans rights consercative dont have ‘a point’
they can join the conversation when they grow up, they are disconnected from reality its its honestly pitiful responding to moron conservatives, they all have the exact same fucking arguments i maybe see a new con argument every 5 months
everybody is ideological
Mr Beat is on his way to becoming an international centrist (perfection)
Out of nowhere, my mother, when I was in my forties, told me, " I'm sorry I broke your spirit, Audrey. No one should ever do that to a child."
And while I'm grateful to have heard that from her, it doesn't unf*ck my entire life, due to the "spirit breaking" she did.
I'm also weirdly happy for her that she obviously had done some soul searching about abusing me my whole life & in the end, was able to see how negatively it affected me, & she was able to come to me to try to make amends over it.
She died about a year or so after that. And though I'm very happy she got that off her conscience, in reality those words did nothing to actually fix anything in me she had broken. It feels hollow & numb, hearing her say it in my mind thousands of times since then.....
I value that she was made more whole in self awareness & by admitting she knew what she did to me & that it was wrong & she wished she hadn't done that.
To this day, I miss her. She was a great mom in other ways, aside from the abuse she put me through. And I'm still trying to win the approval I'll never get from my dead mother through other ppl, who are also never going to give me that validation, that it's okay to be who I am.
The so-called “left” in the US is considered right-wing in Europe…with the 2 major political parties, we, essentially, have a centrist and secular, albeit, idealistic party (Democratic) and a far-right/authoritarian/religious conservative party (Republican).
Retired combat veteran here. 26 years total, enlisted and officer, worked in Intelligence, Special Operations, and Cyber Security. My Political Compass result: Economic Left/Right -6; Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -5.28. The result is about the same as it was the first time I took it in the late 90s. If I remember correctly, though, Libertarian was in the top of the quad and Authoritarian was in the bottom previously. Other political typology tests that I taken before always peg me as Liberal, Liberal Democrat, or Socially Liberal and Fiscally Pragmatic.
@John Doe I’m from gen phuck up (Gen Z) and I consider myself a conservative. Despite not having a family that went to church often at all and they never instilled political or religious values on to me. I simply think the leftist are idiots, I know it’s unhealthy but I’m referring to the far left which took most powers in the Democratic Party. They have been forcing trans classes even though they know little about it’s sociatal effects, I personally see it as a media virus to put it bluntly. I can’t fully explain but I have gathered a lot of information that’s hard to process but, I see them as using drastic and dirty tricks to implement socialist reforms. I’m not blindly against socialism but they are going for full Marxism, indulging critical race theory, really all the things from the 1960s (Literally all the movements from the time have Marxist ties) which all want to control the culture. Plus the attempt for a ‘ministry of truth’ including reading text messages-what even Obama tried. All and all one party sees the only option as full blown communism and the others incompetent.
The abortion laws in Europe are much more restrictive than those passed in democratic states. Not everything in Europe is far-left compared to the US.
Yes
Mathematics isn't always cut and dry, statistics is a field of mathematics and decisions in it are often pretty subjective.
Yeah once you get past differential equations, math becomes a lot more abstract and theoretical. I'm not a mathematician, but still fascinated by people building their careers off things like the four-color theorem.
The math I understand is lol
In a college class we had a unit on critical thinking, the professor literally said "You must think critically about every proposition and viewpoint" then at the end of the lecture "This should just be taken as fact" when someone questioned his bias. In the assignment for the unit I wrote "I do not believe that a critical thinking class taught at this point in my college career is beneficial and if I have classmates who are learning new material from this lecture I do not believe they will function well after graduation."
It is extremely hard to teach critical thinking, in HS it mainly came down to doing critiques from different lenses and that basically meant teaching people to think in those specific lenses rather than for themselves. I find it's one of the biggest reasons the political left can't seem to grasp the viewpoints of the political right and say they're "uncritical" since teaching is a rather leftist profession (at least in Canada) so the "lenses" taught are often left leaning. I think the viewpoints of the instructor get in the way too often, only time I had a class where the instructor actually was cool with criticism was my economics writing class where the professor was far left but really allowed for you to write/debate any opinion/critique of the material you wanted and he actually graded it fairly.
Bias about what? Critical thinking being an important aspect of life in general? That seems pretty factual to me.
Mr beast while I genuinely love you videos I'm confused on where your getting your information about public sentiment about abortion when polling shows that 60-70% of Americans consistently support the precedent set by roe v Wade and abortion rights? And this is over a period of decades, you make it sound way more 50/50 then it actually is.
And this is especially after the leaked majority option draft that came out yesterday, most political scientists agree that if a conservative court overturned roe v Wade the Democratic party would see dramatic shift in support
Ah I tried to link a pew research article that supported my claim but I don't think RUclips will let me, its not hard to find if you try searching for it tho
I would trust Mr. Beat in explaining to me what math politics is, ya know, the thing that Florida is trying to hate.
Critical Race Theory math!
@@iammrbeat Do you support CRT in 1-12th grade?
@@iammrbeat The development of methods and techniques, involving statistical. and other mathematical treatments, for the study of political structures. and behaviour by the analysis of quantitative data. This includes. questions of statistical theory, probability theory, measurement, data. is what Google says. There must be something more to it than that or else it wouldn't be a hot button issue.
@@dragonskunkstudio7582 that’s what the math behind it is, the more to it though is that Florida banned virtually all K-5 math textbooks except those from The Carlyle Group.
@@dudster_ There is no CRT being taught in 1st - 12th Grade.
The video of these socio-political assessments was very informative, Matthew. The ten groups test for me seemed to be the most comprehensive in terms of getting the most contextualized percentages as to what the closest representation of what one's premises (Everything is just that as far as I'm concerned apart from natural things such as both choice and force which're all or nothing to me anyway. Aside from those, most things are relative) may be for them since a lot of the questions are dealing with a case-by-case version. Still probably not up to fullest song or nearly as sufficient as it preferably should be, but it's the best we have. Even with its flaws (And everything's flawed if we're honest) it's one of the more realistic measuring sticks we have of course. I resent too many categories myself, but they're useful and pretty much the only way humans can get a feel of results by dissecting criteria and such. We reciprocate a lot of commonalities with the beliefs from these quizzes, but it scored me as being a little more openly liberal compared to other benchmarks for it since I'm consistently typed as an INTJ-to-INFJ and an independent progressive so while I'm a rational person, I do tend to bring my own sense of morality into a lot of decisions with good reasons in my life, so it is what is as I understand it. It grouped me into what I thought I still am which was into the Left-Libertarianism-to-Libertarian Socialism quadrants. I was actually a little more conservative than I had initially anticipated. Still primarily a shamelessly liberal person though. I will say that social programs are overall more reliably thoughtful than charities as means of helping out the disadvantaged on a regular basis simply because it shouldn't be left up to the fickleness of human emotions to decide whether or not to benefit someone, but of course there's always that obverse of the dignitaries holding out on someone and an entity using private means for public ends to empower someone and turn the system on its head with sustainable policy making. But at least in law resources are supposed to be distributed fairly. It's such an earnest honor that you're KU alumnus and I'm such an enormously impassioned Jayhawks fan. The basketball program is practically a bellwether for so much of the sport in my central opinion. Here are my results for ten groups if anyone longs to see for their betterment. I've took the other tests before and found both reaffirmations and disappointments with them, so I won't include those for now. I may at a further date. Thanks for the many insights and uploads you've shared with us from your content, Mr. Beat.
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One saying changed a great deal of how I see the world and it applies to a few of the questions here- "Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people."
I'm sure a similar quote can be made about nationalism. At the end of the day it's literally the same thing.
@@MMMHOTCHEEZE exactly.
Fantastic stream, thank you so much for sharing your opinions and your reasoning
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow I’m thanks most RUclipsrs don’t respond
Late term abortions only happen when they have to. There shouldn’t be any restrictions or exceptions. We cannot make it harder for people who REQUIRE an abortion just because a percentage of people abort by choice.
Abortion must remain legal in all cases. 1:45:16
thank you!!! this was beautifully stated.
Watched this on Tuesday, the night before my mom died. It will always be close in my heart ❤️
Bruh that absolutely sucks, I really hope you have people to talk to
I agreed with Beat on a surprising amount, though I am definitely more ideological.
I used to be more ideological, too.
I really like your stance on Universal Basic Income and the Minimum Wage. I wish Andrew Yang was elected as Mayor of Nyc to see what the outcome of a Universal Basic Income would have looked like.
This is one of my favorite videos you’ve ever done.
Tbh Mr.Beat answers these questions... stupidly sometimes.
-The stronger the leadership, the better.
"Well, does this mean they lift weights, does it mean they support diversity?"'
No, what do you think it means.
And in the political compass test he seemed to focused on the specifics of it instead of testing his biases and prejudices like the test said it was meant for.
And with
-Testing products on animals is ethical.
The first thing his mind went to is "Well, technically humans are animals"
What do you think 'should' means?
A. You HAVE to do something, it's the law
B. It's a generally good thing I want you to do
If I say you should do something, obviously it's B, but he says "Well, I don't like this word 'should', do you mean we'll go to jail and we have to do it???" once again... _what do you think it means?_ 1:33:15
I'd be curious if a legitimate sociology experiment which had people take many of these political compass tests and then averaged the results would show these tests to be accurate (at least when averaged together).
Mr beat is great. I found this channel by misspelling mr beast. Best accidental find ever. Keep up the great work bro 😎
It's nice to see that you're supportive of trans people, at least broadly. There's been a lot of fear-mongering about the issue in recent years, and I think a lot of that has to do with the general public not understanding the transgender experience, and not being educated about trans healthcare (especially what that looks like for children), and certain fascist elements both in and out of the US making it a hot button political issue, which has only hurt trans people. Anecdotally, I've heard a lot of people say it's harder to be trans now than it was ten years ago.
Also, something that both LGBT and normal people fail to understand and/or communicate to one another is that trans and gay people also do not understand the straight (particularly straight male) experience.
From what I've seen, I'd say that most LGBT people are under a false impression that the disgust they are met with from most straight men is socially programmed into those men. As if they arent genuinely disgusted but are simply putting on a show in order to feel masculine. This of course, could not be further from the truth. Straight males have a biological instinct to immediately become traumatized upon the thought of sexual acts involving gay men or transgender women. In the exact same sense that most would feel the same towards pedophilia or beastiality.
Yep
Children shouldn’t be mutilated and chemically castrated. The fact that this is even a debated issue shows how far we’ve fallen as a country
"I've heard a lot of people say it's harder to be trans now than it was ten years ago."
Of anyone blame the corporate duopoly and their use of the issue to evade economic policy (because that would expose the corporate corruption in the political system) more than anything.
@@KaiUchiha15 so you disagree with circumcision I assume
So many of these initial questions are 3 demensional questions at the very least or questions with 43 shades of gray rendering them 80% worthless.
Well not completely worthless, but yes I was frustrated throughout taking most of them
Just an FYI for anyone taking ISideWith, you need to take the additional questions (should be on a right sidebar) for it to be accurate in any way whatsoever
23:25 it's a question that can be interpreted many ways. Henry George (not a socialist) was in favor of making all land a public good, economically, while still allowing private use of land. This would be archived by simply shifting all government revenue to a land value tax
The only one I have the biggest problem with is your abortion stance, but other than that I agree with you on many things.
Are you Pro-life or pro-choice
@@tudoraragornofgreyscot8482 I am 100% Pro-life, OK now that I think about that that’s not the thing I disagree with him the most, because he does have a pretty moderate position on abortion.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 Why though?
Abortions are still going to happen even if it is made illegal, I hope you realize that. It is better that it happens in a safe, clean, well maintained clinic rather than some of the sketchy back alley "clinics" that women are going to go to if they are desperate to have an abortion.
If you care about children suffering then you should demand that the government fix the broken foster care system.
And what about in cases of rape or incest?
@@pleaseenteraname1103 The "pro-life" crowd should really be called "pro-control".
@@0816M3RC nonsense, obviously somebody who’s looking at this on a totally superficial level and I say that a lot and I kind of hate saying it but I honestly don’t know what else to say you are looking at this on a superficial level,because it’s not about control if you actually try to understand any of the arguments for the pro-life position you wouldn’t be saying this you’re being completely disingenuous.
16:38
The moment MrBeat was nearly canceled LOL
1:49:27
Basically, when the folks say _the left_ it basically means anyone they don't like pretty much.
As an anarchist I really enjoyed this stream! Despite obviously not aligning exactly with my views, you’ve still always been one of my favorite RUclipsrs/streamers on these sorts of topics. Even then, it does turn out we agree on quite a few things. Great stream!
Nice to have commies like you in this community too
Hello fellow anarchist!
@@november666 November? From LU and BR? Lmao, hi!
@@Octoyahu idk probably not. I don’t know what either pair of those letters means.
@@november666 LibUnity and Black Rose. Lol
Great episode comrade Beat, when are we having our Kropotkin reading sesh?
I appreciate your consideration on abortion. I’m genuinely scared to die from pregnancy after Roe being overturned. Any abortion exceptions are hard to prove, so there have been women forced into almost death to get dead fetal tissue with a heartbeat out of their bodies. Scary stuff.
Mr. Beat, there are ectopic pregnancies and severe deformations of fetuses and overall cases where it's found out some 5months+ into the pregnancy when it's best suited for a woman to abort, like stillbirths and such, where a woman might want to carry the baby to term, but.. Simply unable to. Even abortions at the last minute can save lives on either side, so please keep that in mind going forward. Biology is really freaky sometimes.
Terrifyingly freaky.
Just found your channel… very much align with you apparently after watching this video.. incredibly aligned with you.. after many years of liberalism 😬
I began homeschooling my kids after Covid once I figured out I could swing it financially and realized how important it is for kids to have a solid foundation… So important to teach kids HOW to think as opposed to WHAT to think… thank you, I will now be using your videos…
Speaking of taxes, couples with household incomes of $200K - $500K are definitely overtaxed, compared to those who earn under that range and those earning millions/year.
…and on abortion, most Americans are pro-choice/pro-reproductive liberty. The decision to have an abortion is between a woman and her doctor…it’s not the governments business, it’s not a religious or moral issue that that is of concern to anyone else. We are secular nation, not an authoritarian theocracy.
I appreciate the reasoning through the questions. I think you might be over analyzing the use of "should" - in many cases it sounds like you are inferring "should" as "must." I look at "should" as the recommended or ideal, but not compulsory. But, yeah, as an engineer, I struggle with a lot of the absolutist questions myself because I'm always thinking of the exceptions.
I think, in addition to this, you should try out the political sextant quiz. It matches you up with ideologies, and shows you which ones you most and least agree with. I learned about ones I had no idea even existed, so I had fun with it.
My results on that were mostly related to anarchy, socialism, and social revolution (queer anarchy and marxist feminism for example).
@@paisleepunk I fear you
44:09 a few minutes before this timestamp you had a question about whether able people who don’t work should be supported, and I initially strongly disagreed but what you said about (paraphrasing) wanting humans as a species to stay alive gave me a perspective I hadn’t thought about when it comes to this question
You know, I consider myself center right, maybe even more on the right by today's standards lol...but I just love Me. Beat. The guy is smart and knowledgeable as hell and even if there are things I don't agree with him on, he cas still explain his point of view to the point when I start questioning my position on them :D I'd really like to just chat with him about politics. If there is someone who can turn a right-wing person into a left-wing faster than Palpatine turned Anakin to a dark side then it's Mr. Beat.
And I 100% agree with critical thinking. Propositional logic and critical thinking classes were my favorites back when I was studying at the uni.
Great stream mr beat! I identify mainly as libertarian left. Align with Bernie Sanders
Looks like we are in the same tribe, but let's not get too tribal 😏
@@iammrbeat true tribal politics is never good lol
@@night6724
I dislike Sanders as well but I'm curious to why you dislike him.
@@night6724 Regarding success and class struggle, I'm also curious on your opinion of Ralph Nader. He's not mentioned a lot but he had a lot of success at one point, and did a lot for consumer protection.
@@night6724
*Green Party.
Anyways, based on what I know he (*edited, Nader) was incredibly influential in the 1970s and was consistently working with Congress to get more consumer protections passed. Then big business locked out his press time and soon due to more corporate-friendly measures he lost access to Congress as well. The loss of his and other consumer protection groups' access to Congress is why he became involved with presidential politics in the first place. Then came 2000, where he ran an impressive campaign, and was used as a scapegoat in a truly awful manner by the Democratic Party ("spoiler") following Gore barely losing, this was really due to the Supreme Court in my opinion. This is also where my dislike of Sanders stems from as he actively believed the myths and refused to return any of his calls despite how familiar Nader is with the system, and I feel this adds to your point that Sanders is more of an ideologue than an accomplisher, who even worse shilled for the Democratic Party.
mr beat, i really enjoy your content. i would like to challenge you on the pro life issue. making “exceptions” and still making it illegal to obtain abortions does harm even with exceptions put in place, and it essentially forces a person to give birth without consent. and you could argue that being pregnant in and of itself is life threatening, as your risk of death (and other conditions) increases significantly simply by being pregnant. so with this we would ask “what does life threatening mean?” we would need to define it, and once we put laws around that, issues arise. when we have the law involved in abortion care, more women AND babies die. i also find it interesting that you have the stance that you lean away from authoritarianism, yet this changes when it comes to abortion issues. why? is it because you believe a fetus should have equal rights as any other living human? this is fair, but again i would urge you to conduct more research here on the notion that government interference overall leads to more deaths and therefore does not facilitate life. you also mention self defense as a means of violence in certain instances. could you not then argue that abortion is self defense as, again, being pregnant is inherently a threat to your life or at least your life as you know it? is it okay to force all individuals of a certain sex to go through bodily changes while the other sex as a whole does not have this threat? is it moral to force women to have less bodily autonomy? the second that any government is able to establish laws around abortion, including exceptions, is stripping a woman of some bodily autonomy and this is only instance where we see this as being okay. why?
you also stated that you disagree with the sentiment that “most people have inherently bad morals.” is this different for women? do you not trust most women to make their own choices about their bodies? ultimately the decision as a whole should be left up to a woman and her medical team, and it is not ethical for the government to interfere in any way, as this ultimately puts the woman’s life at risk as well as the babies life at risk as government interference bleeds into other medical access. you may argue this as the slippery slope fallacy, but statistically this is true. in situations where women lack fundamental abortion rights, we see higher maternal and infant deaths. those situations include our history, and also in states where abortion laws with exceptions are put in place.
please look into this and challenge your current stance and make a video of it. i would be very interested to hear your thoughts. (:
i also urge you to research why and when late term abortions happen. they are not out of inconvenience. do you think family members should have the right to pull the plug on a family member who is not at capacity to live life? or should that be up to the government? is it wrong to pull the plug on grandma knowing she won’t live a viable life? this is how we should be thinking about the abortion issue including late term abortions. when we say late term abortions are horrific, we are saying these women are awful, when in reality, we don’t know why these women are making those choices. this seems to be the issue you know the least about and i would strongly urge you to research this a bit more(:
also: you say “that is just not happening” in response to transgender children in kindergarten being indoctrinated into crossing over to the other gender aside maybe a one off case. why do you not hold the same opinion for late term abortions? less than 1% of abortions in america are late term and are often due to a devastating diagnosis where something has gone horribly wrong with the baby. should a woman then be forced to carry to term inhumanely? the ultra majority ( ~93% ) of abortions happen before 20 weeks. really want your opinion on this(:
Your fear of being labeled as a socialist biased your results, especially on the 8 Values test. You're economic axis would have been higher toward equality had you answered how you really wanted too.
Exactly why I don't like assigning yourself to ideologies.
Eh, I was joking. I'm already labeled a socialist, bud.
@@iammrbeat LOL fair enough. And just to clarify I wasn't calling you a socialist and don't think you are.
@@livingthealelife9415 Yeah I agree. I especially don't like political labels.
I think he was kidding.
I’m gonna be completely honest. I love your vids and content, and your opinions on this will not affect how much I watch your videos in any way.
I frankly don’t agree nor do I respect your opinion on abortion and the 2nd amendment, however I do respect the fact that you have those opinions. This is what people need to understand. You don’t need to agree or even respect the actual opinion itself, but you aren’t usually a good person if you can’t respect and understand the fact that they have their own opinion and you’re a bad person if you hate on them for that opinion. Loved the video!
Thanks!
At around 1:44:40 you said you don’t know anyone that is for late term abortions. Well, now you know one person Mr. Beat! I know it sounds bad but here’s my reasoning:
I think absolutely no woman would be pregnant for 8 months and then spontaneously change her mind. At that point, you’re getting ready for the baby’s arrival and there’s even hormones released that make you feel extremely protective over the baby. The reason I feel that late-term abortions should be legal is because of a story I read about a woman named Elizabeth Weller who nearly died because of an abortion law. The embryonic fluid sac burst in her womb and the baby was still alive but was bound to die and kill the mother in the process. The doctors were afraid to be sued by the state for performing an abortion before she had a specific list of symptoms. However, time is of the essence in these cases when the mothers life is at risk and no body is always going to have the same symptoms in all cases. That’s why I believe that we should cut out the bureaucracy and save peoples lives in the process. Having an abortion ban EXCEPT when the mothers life is at risk sounds great but it’s actually really difficult legally to define when she’s at risk and that does lead to the death of many mothers. Don’t hate me in the comments just putting my opinion out there.
Dude nothing can excuse killing a fully formed human baby in the womb I don’t care about your excuses or political reasons it’s horrible
completely agree with you! i think this is the one issue that mr beat has not done much research on. less than 1% of abortions happen after 20 weeks and it is usually due to a horrendous unexpectedly diagnosis in which it would be inhumane for both baby and mother to carry to term. more people need to do their research on this before speaking including mr beat. i was shocked at his stance on this to be frank. he seems so logical yet this stance confused me as he is antigovernment for the most part.
i also think this is the only time where the law becomes life threatening as these are the only law where the government intervenes with medicine. therefore this is an example of inequality as only one sex has the risk of experiencing the direct life threatening consequences of these laws.
One of the questions on the political typology quiz had me realise I was seeing it differently than most people who agreed with me. I said it would bother me slightly if I heard someone speaking a language I didn't understand, but in my head, it would bother me in the same way whispers would. I'm a nosy person, I want to hear everything, and I love people watching. So it wouldn't bother me because its a different language than the one most typically around me, but it would bother me in a nosy "guys please let me in on the gossip please" kind of way.
Where I stand politically tends to be Libertarian Left Leaning (looking at my results in most of these tests)
But great video and shows the political tests that are good
After taking these tests: I declare myself to be nothing; nothing more than a mere human.
I agree with you in mostly putting agree and disagree(even though some questions I may go the other way), I strongly agree that governments should hold accountable companies that mislead the public
Mr Beat will you ever do a parody shot of the "Mr Beast" meme? The one from epic rap battles?
Very interesting video Mr. Beat.
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I agree with you more than I previously thought.
Greetings from Sweden.
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Another Swedish viewer, holy crap. I am making a video about your country!
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That will be very interesting to watch! 👍🏻
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The reason anyone would feel personally attacked over their political beliefs is because they're based on feelings and not on any kind of empirical observations.
I guess I'll sound as Captain Obvious, but, whatever, I think it should be emphasized that most if not all of those tests are very, very US-centric. Especially on issues such as abortion, gun control, and universal healthcare, I'd say, but this goes beyond.
And it has consequences regarding the political spectrum. Mr. Beat's answers would sound way more right-wing where I live.
I like how he’s like “btw I have a video about this” for like every 3rd question. What a beast. They should call him mr. Beast. Or wait is that already a thing…
The 10Groups and Infinite Values (expansion of 8 values) are my favorite ones because they have many different spectrums. A simple left-right spectrum, or even the basic political compass is not enough!
The more axes a political compass test has the better
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Love this Mr. Beat fella. Can tell he’s got his heart in the right place.
"I generally lean prolife, I think pretty much everyone does, no?" Not saying you're right or wrong but the political bias was SEEPING through that statement in a way I thought was kinda funny. I would say I am very much not 'pro-life', although I generally resent that horrifically loaded and unnuanced term.
@49:00 I just want to add that the government actually is many times MORE efficient than charities at distributing welfare because the government has no direct fundraising costs. Taxation is legally mandated, getting funds for your charity costs lots of money.
I am somewhat surprised that Mr beat consideres himself pro life leaning
he’s actually said before he came from a catholic family, which could be why
He’s not really pro-life though he said he still supports abortion.
The thing I dislike with political compass tests is that the questions often seem very broad to me.
yikes on waffling on whether a nation should serve foreign interests equally to those of its own citizens.
other nations are EQULLY as entitled to the benefit of our tax revenue as those who are taxed? completely unserious position
you put your own house in order first. you put your own mask on before assisting other passengers. you make yourself strong so you can be useful to others when you need to.
it is nice to think that our 200m working age people can solve the problems of the bottom 5B but it’s just hubris
putting the burden on your citizenry to ship their treasure oversees until the world is equal doesn’t exactly create strong work incentives for your new slave class. you’re just creating incentives for your most productive people to move to a country that wasn’t bent on economic suicide.
if you are not putting your people first, you are de facto putting them last.
For the boarder I think improving the system for vetting immigrants would nearly eliminate peaceful immigrants crossing illegally. The main problem right now is that we do not have the people to process immigration so people are told to wait for decades for their hearing. We instead spend that money on policing the boarder and trying to determine if an immigrant is peaceful or not. If it wasn't so hard for people to peacefully enter the country then the dangerous people would be almost the entirety of people crossing illegally.
Never thought of that.
@Mr. Beat, positions on lockdowns?
I generally am against them
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Is this proper English?
Just curious i am not a native English speaker...
@@MrMar793 pretty sure it should be I am generally against them. Probably a typo.
he looked so disappointed when he thought he got authoritarian 😂😂
Yeah you always struck me as very liberal
Moderately Conservative Libertarian who is skeptical of Trump
"Looks like the Peace and Freedom party is the choice for you my friend!"
Took these tests with you, and despite disagreeing with you on some issues, we fall rather closely on most of the tests! I'm slightly more liberal and lean more towards libertarian than you, and leaned more towards pacifism, but other than that fell rather closely. Though on the Typology Test I was Establishment Democrat instead of Outsider Left.
I think it's really hard to usually exactly label oneself on where they are on the political spectrum, because like: it's not just about what policies and values you prefer, but also how *passionate* you are about those things if that makes sense?
You should just randomly post a video of you just absolutely CHUGGING that bottle of Leninade in the background.