I came here to look at the Twist Wing as I have just had a long test paddle for 6 hours touring on a ski and could feel and see the benefits. What I was not expecting, was some great technique details that are not often covered. Excellent work Greg.
In my opinion a twisted wing has a better performance in flatwater, anyway the Epic mid wing is a great downwind paddle I just love it. I'm also enjoying Epic active touring paddle, performance is quite closer to a wing but it's more relaxing. Nice video, Greg knows what's best! This new blade is very similar to my Galasport Cobra.....excellent paddle in flatwater!
His general advice to push the power farther forward in the stroke is key. Get the catch out farther, take it out sooner. That should be the focus of workouts. But it is counter-intuitive thus not easy to implement for most. Catch close and far, remove quick. Catch close enough to hit the boat occasionally, let the paddle drift OUT, remove early. This is how I train. Also, grip width discussion is great. Should not be 90 degrees, but slightly inside that, then MARK IT so you are there all the time. He marks tape to his little finger, some do it so they feel it closer to the first finger.
Greg, it looks like you've made some innovative changes to the wing paddle and I look forward to trying it. There is one part of the video I don't understand. Starting around 10:42 you say: "The more efficient your paddle blade is, and the more efficient your stroke is, the lower the pivot point will be. . . . [For] most people it's probably right about at the top [of the blade]. . . Only . . . a little bit of it [the blade] moves forward. But a really good paddle, with a really good paddler, it's [the pivot point] further down in here and you've got more of the blade moving forward through the water." I have two questions about this: 1. What is it that a good paddler does that moves the pivot of the blade farther down the blade? Perhaps this is primarily a function of being able to move the boat faster through the water? 2. Why is it more efficient to move the pivot location farther down the blade? The boat moves forward because the paddle accelerates a mass of water backward, causing a reactive forward propulsive force (Newton's 2nd and 3rd laws of motion). But if the pivot moves farther down the blade: (a) Less surface area of the blade is accelerating water backward (so a 800 cmˆ2 blade becomes effectively a 400 cmˆ2 blade). (b) The top part of the blade, moving forward through the water, is now pushing water forward, which should reduce, not increase, the speed of the boat. So it seems to me that it would always be more efficient for the pivot to be at the top of the blade where it joints the shaft so that the entire blade, from the throat to the tip, is doing what it was designed to do-accelerate water backward to push the boat forward. I'd appreciate your comments to help me understand this. Thanks.--Gary
@@pacificnorthsportsThanks. Really good discussion, thanks for posting it. Can you comment on anyone in your group who’s paddled with the Mid Twist and compared it to the Small-Mid? Thanks.
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Good job, Phil! And Hanna--holding the phone so steadily! And Greg!
I came here to look at the Twist Wing as I have just had a long test paddle for 6 hours touring on a ski and could feel and see the benefits. What I was not expecting, was some great technique details that are not often covered. Excellent work Greg.
In my opinion a twisted wing has a better performance in flatwater, anyway the Epic mid wing is a great downwind paddle I just love it. I'm also enjoying Epic active touring paddle, performance is quite closer to a wing but it's more relaxing. Nice video, Greg knows what's best! This new blade is very similar to my Galasport Cobra.....excellent paddle in flatwater!
His general advice to push the power farther forward in the stroke is key. Get the catch out farther, take it out sooner. That should be the focus of workouts. But it is counter-intuitive thus not easy to implement for most. Catch close and far, remove quick. Catch close enough to hit the boat occasionally, let the paddle drift OUT, remove early. This is how I train. Also, grip width discussion is great. Should not be 90 degrees, but slightly inside that, then MARK IT so you are there all the time. He marks tape to his little finger, some do it so they feel it closer to the first finger.
Greg, it looks like you've made some innovative changes to the wing paddle and I look forward to trying it.
There is one part of the video I don't understand. Starting around 10:42 you say:
"The more efficient your paddle blade is, and the more efficient your stroke is, the lower the pivot point will be. . . . [For] most people it's probably right about at the top [of the blade]. . . Only . . . a little bit of it [the blade] moves forward. But a really good paddle, with a really good paddler, it's [the pivot point] further down in here and you've got more of the blade moving forward through the water."
I have two questions about this:
1. What is it that a good paddler does that moves the pivot of the blade farther down the blade? Perhaps this is primarily a function of being able to move the boat faster through the water?
2. Why is it more efficient to move the pivot location farther down the blade? The boat moves forward because the paddle accelerates a mass of water backward, causing a reactive forward propulsive force (Newton's 2nd and 3rd laws of motion). But if the pivot moves farther down the blade:
(a) Less surface area of the blade is accelerating water backward (so a 800 cmˆ2 blade becomes effectively a 400 cmˆ2 blade).
(b) The top part of the blade, moving forward through the water, is now pushing water forward, which should reduce, not increase, the speed of the boat.
So it seems to me that it would always be more efficient for the pivot to be at the top of the blade where it joints the shaft so that the entire blade, from the throat to the tip, is doing what it was designed to do-accelerate water backward to push the boat forward.
I'd appreciate your comments to help me understand this.
Thanks.--Gary
Whole discussion of how long the paddle should be was obscured by the train whistle.
I know..sorry about that. We had great audio it train whistle always wins. I could add a transcription in the description.
@@pacificnorthsportsThanks. Really good discussion, thanks for posting it. Can you comment on anyone in your group who’s paddled with the Mid Twist and compared it to the Small-Mid? Thanks.