Thank you, Randy. I started the process this evening and am already down to two quiet ones. Made a matrix and will be tracking for a week Thank you for explaining the interference potential, even with different CTCSS/DCS tones ... which every really "smart" person knows are not "private!"
Grown ups!!, good thing your not talking to the "HAMS" haha. I can say that I'm a happy ham. Keep those videos coming, I have learned more on this channel than I have from anyone else!!!
Or you could ask them if they would like to join you on your repeater. The new users adding in money to keep it up could be a help. If that could be worked out it could be a Plus for both!
Well thank you, I am also in the process of doing the same, installing a repeater, just got my license and waiting for my kg935 radio you recommended ordered it yesterday. I will be doing the monitoring thing such as you said, I was going to anyways just because it just make sense. However I believe I am in a pretty good area with very little competitions when it comes to this repeater thing. I live in Maine, northern Maine. I did check the repeater site and there were none listed close, a few in the southern part of the state, and the nearest one is about 60 miles away. Now because of where I live I may only have 6 channels to use, because Canada uses two of the repeater channels we have and the FCC says we cannot use them if we are within a certain area. So I am just going to ignore those two channels right from the get go. I will also be doing more then one repeater as time goes on, Randy you have made me return to my earlier days when I use to do this with CB's not repeaters but the radio thing. Thankfully I have some experience with radios and repeaters I have setup and installed a few Municipal repeaters and repeaters for a company I use to work for, I am so looking forward to this. It's funny I didn't know how easy this could be and didn't know much about GMRS until coming across you videos, I have watched quite a few so far, all of the repeater ones anyways. Thanks for your help....
Where I reside on the North California coast there are no GMRS repeaters, only 2M band. Just took the Technician test and missed one of the 35 "dummy" multiple choice. I'll soon be licensed, so I can use them. This is what I see as the real advantage to being licensed, because a valid call sign is necessary to enter for repeater use. Thanks for being a pillar in your location. WRUK573
I am taking a moment while frying chicken wings to tell you how much I enjoy your channel! Bought a beofang from Amazon as many people do and made a conscious decision not to read the manual but watch a series of entertaining videos instead! Just for the record I live south of the border and asked a friend of mine ( who has installed/maintained repeaters for the local government and also owned a radio service/sales center )what is needed in Mexico for a ham radio license and he laughed so hard he may have pissed himself! Obviously the u.s. licensed operators take themselves a little to serious. Have only met one local with a license and he was a very strange individual. Guess some things don't change! Lol
That's very interesting regarding amateur license in Mexico. Mexico is part of ITU (international telecommunications union) area 2. Technically English and French are the only two languages to be used on amateur, but I've heard Brazilians talking and they aren't speaking French or English. It just supports what randy has been saying all along. Nothing is going to happen. Welcome to the world of twoway radio.
That's why I sent the FCC an extra $50 and told them I wanted a private channel. That way I don't have to worry about people interfering with me or me interfering with them. The only problem is, the channel they assigned me is so private, none of my radios nor my repeater will work on it. Nobody is there to hear me or talk to me, either. 😮
Such a great informative video I been looking into setting up a repeater at my house to help cover another 100 miles since I live in tiny 1 mile town and are surrounded by 100s of miles of farm land and closest repeater is 98 miles away. thanks for info Randy 5:06 @NotaRubicon Productions
That's an interesting repeater issue. In your instance, would it not make sense for the weaker repeater to just use your repeater? They would achieve better range. Or, they could switch their repeater channel. In the 70s-80s-90s when cb was the thing, there was always a more powerful station near you that splashed across numbers channels that you were monitoring. We just changed channels. Eventually theyd go away. After all, they weren't transmitting 24/7. It was just a fact of operating a radio. You may not have liked it, but you learned to live with it.
If you wire your audio-out from a scanner into a computer, you can set Audacity to "record when there is sound" which makes monitoring a frequency "continuously" easier. Set it up, let it record, come back in a day or so, look to see if anything broke the squelch.
"Perfect", Explanation on how to resolve this issue. We here in Michigan, were dealing with interference from a neighboring repeater in Ohio, that was dominating enough, at times for several hours, to knockout our repeater all together. There was even a moment where 🤜🤛 it could've became ugly... The two administrators, realized it only occurred during certain atmospheric conditions, and made it known to both memberships to be mindful of operators on neighboring sites, that this type of interference may occur, and be courteous with the process. 🤞🤞, So far, So good... "Thanks", Randy! 👏👌👍
Yeah, in the ham world we are located near the boundary two repeater jurisdiction coordinators. So there is effectively no coordination because the two jurisdictions are autonomous. Oh, these coordinators are volunteers. The FCC doesn't get involved.
Some coordination committees coordinate with other coordinators when there is a repeater proposed in a boundary area. I've seen the minutes for my local committee where they send out coordination letters to avoid conflicts as long as a repeater owner goes through the process as well.
Thanks for all the info, I got my license due to your videos. quick question, is it worth making/buying a repeater so that when someone is outside of range of already set up repeaters they can have a temp. repeater in the area ( overlanding adventures for example ) and retrieve it after it is done being used? also you have so many radios in the back, I could see you making a Christmas tree of radios.
Good question Caleb! I don't know the "Rules and Regulations" pertaining to a "Mobile" Repeater station? My goal is to operate and maintain a "stationary" 50-watt GMRS repeater station for the benefit of our remote/rural neighborhood. There are currently no active GMRS repeaters in our area or within range of a hand-held 5-watt radio. I'm at 3,500 ft and with a 30 ft tower antenna, I should be able to easily connect with the three of the closest repeater stations and any of my neighbors that have radios or want to borrow any of my spare radios. That could be a life-saver if or when things get really ugly!
@@royrobinson4636 when it gets ugly one of the first things to go is repeaters of any kind phones the inter web so simplex would be a good thing to practice. Try getting a message from coast to coast with grms without repeaters.
I don’t think the FCC expected the increased popularity of GMRS repeaters and thought it would be more simplex. At some point they’ll need to allocate more frequencies. WRNT247 in CT.
We have some coordination in the Washington DC area but it's still up for grabs if you want to put up a repeater. There used to be one big boy repeater years ago but it's gone now so it's not the same.
well said ! start out being the good neighbor goes a long way. I had my own frequency many years back for farm use. would never use 31Mhz today . now buy me that part of VHF low is empty ! no one wants it. GMRS is great just play nice !
We have a different problem here in San Diego. A pirate repeater has started in Tijuana talking trash about people north of the border. Mexico does not have GMRS and repeaters are illegal without a permit. Some local people have taken to jamming the repeater and it seems to be working but they start talking shit about the jammers.
I read in a thread, two people talking on GMRS when a voice came over and said This channel is a private repeater channel. You can be on it without permission. If course there were many pages of arguments.
Many mistakenly use the term 'private repeater channel' when the correct terminology is just 'private repeater'. While no one can claim a channel for their own use, repeaters are private and transmitting through one requires permission.
Tried to setup a repeater here in Austin, TX. Unfortunately no companies want to work with me so abandoned the project and we have no good local GMRS repeaters unfortunately. Wish u were here :)
Yeah ATX, CP, Leander, RR is pretty sparse area. From what a few people have told me there is one repeater in RR but they never get any connection to it when attempting to hit it. I haven’t tried yet because I’m waiting for my license
Crazy idea here but... If the other guys put up their repeater because they needed it, not just to have a repeater to play around with, and your newer more powerful repeater now covers their area... Why don't they just shut down their more limited system, switch to your tones, and go on about their business? Or they could keep theirs up, but still switch their radios to your tones. That way they would normally hit your repeater. If yours goes down, they could switch their tones easily, and fall back to using their repeater. Yes, they were there first but when something bigger/badder/better comes along...
I'm just new and just bought recently my new WOUXUN 905G. I'd like to ask if there's a way that 2-repeaters can work together like in a string connection so they can expand more coverage in the area? Thank you sir.
Yes there is a way and thats very common and easy with ham repeaters.. On GMRS it's not so easy because of the restrictions that the FCC has placed on GMRS usage. It can be done via the internet, but "real" connected repeaters are not really doable on GMRS.
we had that problum here in minnesota the owner left are state so we took his repeter added three more repeters same pl tone working grate that's how you salve a problum on gmrs. wrxn 824 minneapolis
Translation to English: "We had that problem here in Minnesota. The owner (of a known repeater) left our area, so we appropriated that frequency, and added three more repeaters (utilizing the) same pl tone. (It's) working great. That's how you (we) solve a problem on GMRS." Of course, after translating and reading all that, it is plain to see that there never was a 'problem' to be solved. One the original repeater frequency was no being regularly used, this guy and his friends just filled the gap. EZPZ.
I'm new to GMRS and I got my self a Wouxun KG-935g, and I dialed in on the busy Channel 16. Is it possible that someone can have a repeater on Channel 16?
Not just possible, that's how it is. All GMRS repeaters share channels with regular Simplex channels 15-22.. you will hear them, but they wont hear you on those channels.
Maybe if there’s conflict, perhaps get in touch with the other repeater owner, and join forces? You can daisy-chain repeaters, can’t you? Two repeaters working together to push the signal even further?
I bet sad hams fingers get really itchy wanting to spam gmrs topic videos, but they know better around here. Very interesting video, and educational for me. Thanks 🙏🏼
Hi friend . I have an odd question for you . When I use chirp to program my radio for repeaters , what makes the software and the radio automatically know the frequency offset . Is it because everything else including the tone helps it determine the offset number . Love your channel , keep it up . Don .
@@TheNotaRubicon idk how its knowing the offset, maybe its the mode of the repeater, followed by the tone . ive been programming them with chirp, but its been automatically offsetting the difference by itself , correctly . im using the newest chirp , logically, i agree with you , so its throwing me for a curve also. i checked the +5, -5 difference depending on the repeater, its filling the offset in correctly b itself .
not easy with a GMRS repeater if you follow the FCC rules..On GMRS the only way would be to link them with an internet connection, which is also not easy. In either case, the owner of the other repeater has no interest in that.
GMRS repeaters can't be linked or talk to each other. If your coax needs to be longer than about 20 feet then you should use the best quality UHF coax you can afford. I use "LMR400". not the best, but I'm not rich, and it works fine.
@@TheNotaRubicon, hopefully thinking about linking repeaters together, it would really increase the range since I live in rural southern Illinois where line of sight isn't always available.
The FCC does not want to hear or be bothered with GMRS / FRS craploa ! So keeping that in mind do like Randy says and get along with your other users or just rent a boxing ring and duke it out until you have a winner.
In my world, the repeter owners would sit down over a coffee & hammer out the details of which tones and other issues that may come up & interfere with each other..But like I said that is just in my little world..BTW we have no repeters here where I live at in Mo, by the Mississippi River Lock & Dam #25. But this is good info anyway. Thanks for posting it up.
The vast majority of GMRS repeater operators will work things out amicably if there's an issue. When I lived just outside NYC there were well over 8 repeaters. Several had overlapping coverage areas on the same frequencies and everyone involved did their best to make it work by self-coordinating CTSCC/DCS tones. There was still incidental interference between repeaters but it rarely caused any drama.
The first rule of Knife Fighting. There are no rules. Thanks for the Vid. I wondered what the rules were. and a Question: Why didn't you and you group be nice and change frequencies ?
Our group has several hundred users and a network of 4 repeaters all using that frequency, covering a few thousand square miles.. Their group is 8 guys and the reaper covers a much smaller area.
@@TheNotaRubicon What was the end result working things out ? It seems the best solution is for the 8 guys to just use your repeater/s and shut theirs down ? Or did they change frequency to keep their 8 person group more private ? I know its not private but some people think it is. I think its best to not try to convince them otherwise. In my area we have two repeaters that require membership and a 45.00 fee for the year for a basic plan. Theirs are up on the highest mountain and have a large coverage area. There are a few others listed in mygmrs but I have never heard any traffic. They are on the other side of town and not on a higher elevation. I also wonder about the cost to have yours up on the mountain for tower space ? just curious. Thank you for your videos !!
Just a solution I am a ham and also a GMRSer if that's a name for that lol we use channel 16 or the first repeater channel for emergency communications and we have a very big coverage area we did start to have issues with other repeaters in NJ and NY so what we did is join up and when they go over the air we let them go and we go over when needed so they can use ours and we use there's. But we take priority when any emergency communications is needed so it works out for us maybe that can be a way for other new owners. WRBQ216
What would happen if you just broadcasted on a frequency that isnt an official channel? Im turbo new to the radio world. It it against regulation? Would it even transmit?
@@TheNotaRubicon you are an absolute wealth of knowledge. I've been trying to learn a lot recently and get some hardware but it seems like 95% of the internet thinks that if you use a baofeng or don't have 900 licenses and treat this as serious as a job then you're worthless. I really appreciate not only your kindness to us newbies but also how you make everything retard proof. Keep up the good work.
@@TheNotaRubicon thanks Randy sometimes I think the FCC has gotten a lot of it backwards A lot of the “rules” should be about the user and not about the equipment!!!
hey Randy, I am not sure how to connect to the repeater. I went on my local are GMRS found one notice that one here in SO CAL Input tone is 271DPL and OUTPUT IS 073DPL. Was trying to find it on the boofwang radio. Is there a difference between MHZ and DPL. I am sure Ill get a pin comment. lol Military guy here but was never COMMO just a door kicker
What is this repeater I hear that makes an announcement like every 5-10 minutes saying, "The LA Echo One Repeater System"? The time it uses is 3 hours, 8 minutes behind PDT. When it's 12:18 PM in Los Angeles, it would say the time is 9:10 AM, but that's Hawaii time. Btw, it's on Channel 30, 462.7250.
@TheNotaRubicon BTW, must be a powerful setup cause I hear it even with my HT set to low using a 2-inch stubby and I'm surrounded by mountains and hills all around in Santa Clarita and inside my room!
I get confised when he said there are only 8 channels we can use in gsmr, and yet there are tons of frequencies. Can anyone clear this up for me? Im obviously just starting but i have looked and haven't figured it put yet.
@TheNotaRubicon thanks for answering me. I do understand that part. However, you talk about the uv 5r a lot accessing some of those channels. I only see option for inputting 6 digit frequencies. Basically I'm just wondering can I access any of those 22 channels with the uv 5r(I actually have the gt 5r but I'm sure it's the same thing function wise).
what if the smaller repeater got a directional antenna and dialed in on the same tones as the bigger repeater. Oh the confusion this may cause. but would it work.
If the bigger repeater used directional antenna pointed away from the smaller that might work. But using same tone and potentially bringing up both repeaters sound like mayhem.
your radio collection growing since first gmrs vid. more than my 11 handheld collection lol. soon you will run out of room. you will be buried under alot of radios. soon a radio notarunicon convention lol. tickets selling soon for that favorite viewer.
Thank you so much Randy , i had a person tell me i could not use this one channel .he doesnt even have a repeater .i do i just bought it .i put alot of $ out for it .i want yo share it too . But this person doesnt like veterans so he was being a sad ham .your videis are so helpful .thanks
So if I win the lottery and put it ALL into buying the biggest, baddest, bestest repeaters and put them all over an area, I can take over those airwaves??? 🤩🤩
So ham radio has repeater coordination and can share spectrum like adults and GMRS hasn't learned how to do this yet? If GMRS gets too popular, without coordination, it will start to sound like CB in the 1970s. Well not really, there's the capture effect of FM. That would still make it less useful. Maybe it won't get there any time too soon.
I'm not up to speed on how repeaters work. Could the weaker repeater that you interfered with have changed their tone and joined your network? I get that it's a hassle for them to notify their users, but if they joined your network they could leverage your extended range right? The downside being that now they are on a more crowded network I guess? How do repeaters on the same channel work when their ranges overlap?
They had no interested in cooperating with us or using our repeater. When repeaters on the same channel overlap, if someone is talking on each repeater at the same time there will be interference/noise - it usually makes the weaker repeater unusable.
Potential thumbtack question here: Why have you gone to visible mike since you identified as Princess NotaRubicon Sparkle Pony awhile back? It's what the other YTers eventually do; you know, the ones who solicit likes, subscribes, bells, joins and waste our valuable time; unlike THIS channel. I suppose they do it to look more professional? The audio was excellent before dude, in a Dan Patrick sort of way. Just bought my GMRS and earned my HAM, so I can be happy and sad at the same time. There's a pill for that I think. Cheers!
The previous mic(s..i've gone through about 5 in the last year) had too high of a noise-floor and I was displeased.. I demand the best in sonic-pleasure for my viewers.
all "GMRS channels" are open, but the use of privately owned repeaters is not. It is actually very difficult in practice to keep it private if someone does not follow the wishes of the owner, but most people do.
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JUST heard people on my local repeater talking about this video. Cool.
From how many far away? 🤔
Thank you, Randy. I started the process this evening and am already down to two quiet ones. Made a matrix and will be tracking for a week Thank you for explaining the interference potential, even with different CTCSS/DCS tones ... which every really "smart" person knows are not "private!"
Grown ups!!, good thing your not talking to the "HAMS" haha. I can say that I'm a happy ham. Keep those videos coming, I have learned more on this channel than I have from anyone else!!!
"...your not talking...", hum how do you know he owns a not.
Or you could ask them if they would like to join you on your repeater. The new users adding in money to keep it up could be a help. If that could be worked out it could be a Plus for both!
Well thank you, I am also in the process of doing the same, installing a repeater, just got my license and waiting for my kg935 radio you recommended ordered it yesterday. I will be doing the monitoring thing such as you said, I was going to anyways just because it just make sense. However I believe I am in a pretty good area with very little competitions when it comes to this repeater thing. I live in Maine, northern Maine. I did check the repeater site and there were none listed close, a few in the southern part of the state, and the nearest one is about 60 miles away. Now because of where I live I may only have 6 channels to use, because Canada uses two of the repeater channels we have and the FCC says we cannot use them if we are within a certain area. So I am just going to ignore those two channels right from the get go. I will also be doing more then one repeater as time goes on, Randy you have made me return to my earlier days when I use to do this with CB's not repeaters but the radio thing. Thankfully I have some experience with radios and repeaters I have setup and installed a few Municipal repeaters and repeaters for a company I use to work for, I am so looking forward to this. It's funny I didn't know how easy this could be and didn't know much about GMRS until coming across you videos, I have watched quite a few so far, all of the repeater ones anyways. Thanks for your help....
Where I reside on the North California coast there are no GMRS repeaters, only 2M band. Just took the Technician test and missed one of the 35 "dummy" multiple choice. I'll soon be licensed, so I can use them. This is what I see as the real advantage to being licensed, because a valid call sign is necessary to enter for repeater use. Thanks for being a pillar in your location. WRUK573
I am taking a moment while frying chicken wings to tell you how much I enjoy your channel!
Bought a beofang from Amazon as many people do and made a conscious decision not to read the manual but watch a series of entertaining videos instead! Just for the record I live south of the border and asked a friend of mine ( who has installed/maintained repeaters for the local government and also owned a radio service/sales center )what is needed in Mexico for a ham radio license and he laughed so hard he may have pissed himself!
Obviously the u.s. licensed operators take themselves a little to serious. Have only met one local with a license and he was a very strange individual. Guess some things don't change! Lol
That's very interesting regarding amateur license in Mexico. Mexico is part of ITU (international telecommunications union) area 2. Technically English and French are the only two languages to be used on amateur, but I've heard Brazilians talking and they aren't speaking French or English. It just supports what randy has been saying all along. Nothing is going to happen. Welcome to the world of twoway radio.
You’re a life saver Mr. Randy! Thanks
That's why I sent the FCC an extra $50 and told them I wanted a private channel. That way I don't have to worry about people interfering with me or me interfering with them. The only problem is, the channel they assigned me is so private, none of my radios nor my repeater will work on it. Nobody is there to hear me or talk to me, either.
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On FRS no one can hear you scream.
LOL 😂
What are you talking about? You don't pay the FCC an "extra" $50 for a "private channel". Didn't you listen to the video about GMRS?
@@thomasmoran9114 True he paid to much it’s only 25 bux to get your own private channel what a chump! They should have given him two channels.
@@WingWalker1 aka duplex lol
Such a great informative video I been looking into setting up a repeater at my house to help cover another 100 miles since I live in tiny 1 mile town and are surrounded by 100s of miles of farm land and closest repeater is 98 miles away. thanks for info Randy 5:06 @NotaRubicon Productions
Try to get your antenna up as high as you can. Just the curvature of the Earth's surface will preclude signals to or from far away.
The new "Delta" repeater is sounding great! Loud and clear. Great work!
Have to say.... This man has brought many gmrs users to ham. He's got a good place in this world.
That's an interesting repeater issue. In your instance, would it not make sense for the weaker repeater to just use your repeater? They would achieve better range. Or, they could switch their repeater channel.
In the 70s-80s-90s when cb was the thing, there was always a more powerful station near you that splashed across numbers channels that you were monitoring. We just changed channels. Eventually theyd go away. After all, they weren't transmitting 24/7. It was just a fact of operating a radio. You may not have liked it, but you learned to live with it.
An old saying from the CB days. The strong survive, and the weak step aside.
Lol! Gotta get them feet real warm!
If you wire your audio-out from a scanner into a computer, you can set Audacity to "record when there is sound" which makes monitoring a frequency "continuously" easier. Set it up, let it record, come back in a day or so, look to see if anything broke the squelch.
"Perfect", Explanation on how to resolve this issue.
We here in Michigan, were dealing with interference from a neighboring repeater in Ohio, that was dominating enough, at times for several hours, to knockout our repeater all together. There was even a moment where 🤜🤛 it could've became ugly...
The two administrators, realized it only occurred during certain atmospheric conditions, and made it known to both memberships to be mindful of operators on neighboring sites, that this type of interference may occur, and be courteous with the process.
🤞🤞, So far, So good...
"Thanks", Randy! 👏👌👍
My local radio club just set up a NEW GMRS repeater, open to all.
That's the way it should be.
"harmony" with fluttering fingers...love it!
Very informative presentation, thank you very much.
I actually own all of the GMRS channels. But because I'm in a good mood, ya'll can use them anytime you want.
Yeah, in the ham world we are located near the boundary two repeater jurisdiction coordinators. So there is effectively no coordination because the two jurisdictions are autonomous. Oh, these coordinators are volunteers. The FCC doesn't get involved.
Some coordination committees coordinate with other coordinators when there is a repeater proposed in a boundary area. I've seen the minutes for my local committee where they send out coordination letters to avoid conflicts as long as a repeater owner goes through the process as well.
Thanks for all the info, I got my license due to your videos. quick question, is it worth making/buying a repeater so that when someone is outside of range of already set up repeaters they can have a temp. repeater in the area ( overlanding adventures for example ) and retrieve it after it is done being used? also you have so many radios in the back, I could see you making a Christmas tree of radios.
Good question Caleb! I don't know the "Rules and Regulations" pertaining to a "Mobile" Repeater station?
My goal is to operate and maintain a "stationary" 50-watt GMRS repeater station for the benefit of our remote/rural neighborhood. There are currently no active GMRS repeaters in our area or within range of a hand-held 5-watt radio. I'm at 3,500 ft and with a 30 ft tower antenna, I should be able to easily connect with the three of the closest repeater stations and any of my neighbors that have radios or want to borrow any of my spare radios. That could be a life-saver if or when things get really ugly!
@@royrobinson4636 when it gets ugly one of the first things to go is repeaters of any kind phones the inter web so simplex would be a good thing to practice. Try getting a message from coast to coast with grms without repeaters.
There are portable 5-watt repeaters sold on eBay and Amazon for this exact purpose.
I don’t think the FCC expected the increased popularity of GMRS repeaters and thought it would be more simplex. At some point they’ll need to allocate more frequencies. WRNT247 in CT.
LOVE the finger language description!! reminds me of the gf explaining things.
YOU! its yer fault i got my GMRS license! passed the test n everthin
We have some coordination in the Washington DC area but it's still up for grabs if you want to put up a repeater. There used to be one big boy repeater years ago but it's gone now so it's not the same.
Do tell. I'm considering a new GMRS repeater a bit west of DC metro area, but would like to coordinate where possible.
well said ! start out being the good neighbor goes a long way. I had my own frequency many years back for farm use. would never use 31Mhz today . now buy me that part of VHF low is empty ! no one wants it. GMRS is great just play nice !
We have a different problem here in San Diego. A pirate repeater has started in Tijuana talking trash about people north of the border. Mexico does not have GMRS and repeaters are illegal without a permit. Some local people have taken to jamming the repeater and it seems to be working but they start talking shit about the jammers.
In my area I noticed many restraunts and stores use GMRS in my area a nation wide chicken restraunt uses channel 16
They're probably using FRS. It can be annoying at times. If they would stay on channels 8 - 14 then they would be out of everybody's hair.
@@gone2dmtns Yes, but it’s difficult to fry chicken with only 1/2 watt of power.
I read in a thread, two people talking on GMRS when a voice came over and said This channel is a private repeater channel. You can be on it without permission. If course there were many pages of arguments.
Many mistakenly use the term 'private repeater channel' when the correct terminology is just 'private repeater'. While no one can claim a channel for their own use, repeaters are private and transmitting through one requires permission.
Randy, Progenitor of that BRE (Big Repeater Energy), great vid!
Once again, factual information. With good advise!!
Your sarcasm Cracks me up.
Tried to setup a repeater here in Austin, TX. Unfortunately no companies want to work with me so abandoned the project and we have no good local GMRS repeaters unfortunately. Wish u were here :)
Yeah ATX, CP, Leander, RR is pretty sparse area.
From what a few people have told me there is one repeater in RR but they never get any connection to it when attempting to hit it.
I haven’t tried yet because I’m waiting for my license
Crazy idea here but... If the other guys put up their repeater because they needed it, not just to have a repeater to play around with, and your newer more powerful repeater now covers their area... Why don't they just shut down their more limited system, switch to your tones, and go on about their business? Or they could keep theirs up, but still switch their radios to your tones. That way they would normally hit your repeater. If yours goes down, they could switch their tones easily, and fall back to using their repeater. Yes, they were there first but when something bigger/badder/better comes along...
I'm just new and just bought recently my new WOUXUN 905G. I'd like to ask if there's a way that 2-repeaters can work together like in a string connection so they can expand more coverage in the area? Thank you sir.
Yes there is a way and thats very common and easy with ham repeaters.. On GMRS it's not so easy because of the restrictions that the FCC has placed on GMRS usage. It can be done via the internet, but "real" connected repeaters are not really doable on GMRS.
@@TheNotaRubicon Thank you sir
In Wisconsin we are Internet linked to Chicago, northern and western Indiana on one repeater, other local is just local.
We don't have poop in the Cookeville TN area. Woot!
Thanks great topic I learned something I’m done for the day
we had that problum here in minnesota the owner left are state so we took his repeter added three more repeters same pl tone
working grate that's how you salve a problum on gmrs. wrxn 824 minneapolis
Translation to English: "We had that problem here in Minnesota. The owner (of a known repeater) left our area, so we appropriated that frequency, and added three more repeaters (utilizing the) same pl tone. (It's) working great. That's how you (we) solve a problem on GMRS."
Of course, after translating and reading all that, it is plain to see that there never was a 'problem' to be solved. One the original repeater frequency was no being regularly used, this guy and his friends just filled the gap. EZPZ.
I'm new to GMRS and I got my self a Wouxun KG-935g, and I dialed in on the busy Channel 16. Is it possible that someone can have a repeater on Channel 16?
Not just possible, that's how it is. All GMRS repeaters share channels with regular Simplex channels 15-22.. you will hear them, but they wont hear you on those channels.
@@TheNotaRubicon Thanks Randy!
thanks for the video.
about gmrs repeater
Maybe if there’s conflict, perhaps get in touch with the other repeater owner, and join forces? You can daisy-chain repeaters, can’t you?
Two repeaters working together to push the signal even further?
L.A. Ca . I listened to the heated arguments of this issue this past week and the interference on my Rugged Radio. Channel 22 , Repeater 22.
We need more Repeaters down here on the coast in Texas.
What part of the Texas Coast?
I bet sad hams fingers get really itchy wanting to spam gmrs topic videos, but they know better around here. Very interesting video, and educational for me. Thanks 🙏🏼
Hi friend .
I have an odd question for you .
When I use chirp to program my radio for repeaters ,
what makes the software and the radio automatically know the
frequency offset . Is it because everything else including the tone
helps it determine the offset number .
Love your channel , keep it up .
Don .
When you use CHIRP to program a repeater, it does not know the offset unless you or someone else entered it into the radio or CHIRP first.
@@TheNotaRubicon idk how its knowing the offset, maybe its the mode of the repeater, followed by the tone . ive been programming them with chirp, but its been automatically offsetting the difference by itself , correctly . im using the newest chirp ,
logically, i agree with you , so its throwing me for a curve also. i checked the +5, -5
difference depending on the repeater, its filling the offset in correctly b itself .
Quick question, would I be able “allowed” to build a duplex repeater on channel 15-22?
Go information. Thanks!
Another great video! Maybe you should have used some Spanish subtitles for the Amigos
maybe you can do it for him?
Is it possible to make the repeaters work in unison to extend coverage for both tones? What model repeaters are mentioned here?
not easy with a GMRS repeater if you follow the FCC rules..On GMRS the only way would be to link them with an internet connection, which is also not easy.
In either case, the owner of the other repeater has no interest in that.
Seems like the fcc needs to add more gmrs repeaters pairs
I WISH there were local gmrs repeaters!
You can be the person to make it happen. maybe 2000.00 or less in equipment.
Where do you live?
I live on the east coast, is or if I get my licence and have a repeater I'm sure it won't effect yours. Hopefully we can all get along. LOL
The FCC should allow fights to the death over which person owns the GMRS channel.
Mutual combat is legal in texas it happens lol
With star trek music in the background!
Fight Club Commission.
Lee Lockwood owns most of ours in Houston.
I got the Retevis RT97; what can I do to increase the coverage range or power?
Bigger/Better antenna in a higher/better location.
👍👍👍 Thanks. ...Alan in 🇨🇱
Hello ' my question is, can repeaters talk to each other, and what size coax should I use for a base??
GMRS repeaters can't be linked or talk to each other. If your coax needs to be longer than about 20 feet then you should use the best quality UHF coax you can afford. I use "LMR400". not the best, but I'm not rich, and it works fine.
@@TheNotaRubicon ,thanks again
@@TheNotaRubicon, hopefully thinking about linking repeaters together, it would really increase the range since I live in rural southern Illinois where line of sight isn't always available.
The FCC does not want to hear or be bothered with GMRS / FRS craploa ! So keeping that in mind do like Randy says and get along with your other users or just rent a boxing ring and duke it out until you have a winner.
But first, always get a bigger AMP! 😂
Do I have to get a separate GMRS license for the repeater and call sign?
No.
I love the posters on the wall but I cant tell if they are composite in the video or you print a poster on every video also I like the start up music
It's a tv.
@@spaghettibeans No, it's not a TV. But thanks for trying.
Love the vid, thanx!🇺🇸
In my world, the repeter owners would sit down over a coffee & hammer out the details of which tones and other issues that may come up & interfere with each other..But like I said that is just in my little world..BTW we have no repeters here where I live at in Mo, by the Mississippi River Lock & Dam #25. But this is good info anyway. Thanks for posting it up.
The vast majority of GMRS repeater operators will work things out amicably if there's an issue. When I lived just outside NYC there were well over 8 repeaters. Several had overlapping coverage areas on the same frequencies and everyone involved did their best to make it work by self-coordinating CTSCC/DCS tones. There was still incidental interference between repeaters but it rarely caused any drama.
Yep, 50 watts and a high gain antenna LMR400 and 50 more feet up should take care of it. lol
So, the “Tough Taco” rule is in effect when it comes to repeater conflicts? Sounds good to me.
You are breathing my air. I was breathing it first 🥲
The first rule of Knife Fighting. There are no rules. Thanks for the Vid. I wondered what the rules were. and a Question: Why didn't you and you group be nice and change frequencies ?
Our group has several hundred users and a network of 4 repeaters all using that frequency, covering a few thousand square miles.. Their group is 8 guys and the reaper covers a much smaller area.
Invite their group to join yours is also a good adult thing to do.
@@TheNotaRubicon What was the end result working things out ? It seems the best solution is for the 8 guys to just use your repeater/s and shut theirs down ? Or did they change frequency to keep their 8 person group more private ? I know its not private but some people think it is. I think its best to not try to convince them otherwise. In my area we have two repeaters that require membership and a 45.00 fee for the year for a basic plan. Theirs are up on the highest mountain and have a large coverage area. There are a few others listed in mygmrs but I have never heard any traffic. They are on the other side of town and not on a higher elevation. I also wonder about the cost to have yours up on the mountain for tower space ? just curious. Thank you for your videos !!
Just a solution I am a ham and also a GMRSer if that's a name for that lol we use channel 16 or the first repeater channel for emergency communications and we have a very big coverage area we did start to have issues with other repeaters in NJ and NY so what we did is join up and when they go over the air we let them go and we go over when needed so they can use ours and we use there's. But we take priority when any emergency communications is needed so it works out for us maybe that can be a way for other new owners. WRBQ216
Thanks Dad
What would happen if you just broadcasted on a frequency that isnt an official channel? Im turbo new to the radio world. It it against regulation? Would it even transmit?
Real "GMRS" radios can only transmit on the official GMRS channels.
@@TheNotaRubicon so if I had a baofeng and set it to a random 462x frequency it wouldn't work? Or only official channels are supposed to be used?
Not using official frequencies would make the FCC very sad.
@@TheNotaRubicon you are an absolute wealth of knowledge. I've been trying to learn a lot recently and get some hardware but it seems like 95% of the internet thinks that if you use a baofeng or don't have 900 licenses and treat this as serious as a job then you're worthless. I really appreciate not only your kindness to us newbies but also how you make everything retard proof. Keep up the good work.
Great explanation, Randy. Well done, sir. WRDN460
Saw your repeater show up on the weekly update yesterday. Congrats! Still happy with it?
Covers almost 1,000 square miles of the Inland Empire! how can i not love it?!
I can repeaters be chain-linked frequency wise so that everybody wins?
Not without breaking FCC rules on GMRS repeater usage/configurations.
@@TheNotaRubicon thanks Randy sometimes I think the FCC has gotten a lot of it backwards A lot of the “rules” should be about the user and not about the equipment!!!
hey Randy, I am not sure how to connect to the repeater. I went on my local are GMRS found one notice that one here in SO CAL Input tone is 271DPL and OUTPUT IS 073DPL. Was trying to find it on the boofwang radio. Is there a difference between MHZ and DPL. I am sure Ill get a pin comment. lol Military guy here but was never COMMO just a door kicker
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Thank You!!
What is this repeater I hear that makes an announcement like every 5-10 minutes saying, "The LA Echo One Repeater System"? The time it uses is 3 hours, 8 minutes behind PDT. When it's 12:18 PM in Los Angeles, it would say the time is 9:10 AM, but that's Hawaii time. Btw, it's on Channel 30, 462.7250.
That is the LA Echo One repeater. The owner doesnt know how to set the clock on it.. Its a GMRS repeater like any other GMRS repeater.
@@TheNotaRubicon Thanks.
@TheNotaRubicon BTW, must be a powerful setup cause I hear it even with my HT set to low using a 2-inch stubby and I'm surrounded by mountains and hills all around in Santa Clarita and inside my room!
@@nats50 I think it is on Mt. Wilson.. and just for clarification, setting your HT to low has zero affect on what you receive.
@@TheNotaRubicon Gotcha.
I get confised when he said there are only 8 channels we can use in gsmr, and yet there are tons of frequencies. Can anyone clear this up for me? Im obviously just starting but i have looked and haven't figured it put yet.
In GMRS there are 22 regular/simplex channels and 8 repeater channels.
It does not get any more clear than that.
@TheNotaRubicon thanks for answering me. I do understand that part. However, you talk about the uv 5r a lot accessing some of those channels. I only see option for inputting 6 digit frequencies. Basically I'm just wondering can I access any of those 22 channels with the uv 5r(I actually have the gt 5r but I'm sure it's the same thing function wise).
What about the people requiring a fee to use there repeater, do they have more of a right to that frequency then someone who doesn’t pay?
Nope.
what if the smaller repeater got a directional antenna and dialed in on the same tones as the bigger repeater. Oh the confusion this may cause. but would it work.
If the bigger repeater used directional antenna pointed away from the smaller that might work. But using same tone and potentially bringing up both repeaters sound like mayhem.
C4 fixes all repeater conflicts.
Lol
your radio collection growing since first gmrs vid. more than my 11 handheld collection lol. soon you will run out of room. you will be buried under alot of radios. soon a radio notarunicon convention lol. tickets selling soon for that favorite viewer.
Is the repeater in your area a mosque.
Thank you so much Randy , i had a person tell me i could not use this one channel .he doesnt even have a repeater .i do i just bought it .i put alot of $ out for it .i want yo share it too . But this person doesnt like veterans so he was being a sad ham .your videis are so helpful .thanks
So if I win the lottery and put it ALL into buying the biggest, baddest, bestest repeaters and put them all over an area, I can take over those airwaves??? 🤩🤩
So ham radio has repeater coordination and can share spectrum like adults and GMRS hasn't learned how to do this yet? If GMRS gets too popular, without coordination, it will start to sound like CB in the 1970s. Well not really, there's the capture effect of FM. That would still make it less useful. Maybe it won't get there any time too soon.
In southern California it's almost already like that..
Shoot, once again I am expected to play nice.
Gmrs is becoming like cb people running hundreds of watts now LOL
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Could you repeat that.. ser5er
I'm not up to speed on how repeaters work. Could the weaker repeater that you interfered with have changed their tone and joined your network? I get that it's a hassle for them to notify their users, but if they joined your network they could leverage your extended range right? The downside being that now they are on a more crowded network I guess?
How do repeaters on the same channel work when their ranges overlap?
They had no interested in cooperating with us or using our repeater.
When repeaters on the same channel overlap, if someone is talking on each repeater at the same time there will be interference/noise - it usually makes the weaker repeater unusable.
I'm trying. To remember my friend Peter. He passed in 2004. I can't remember his last name ..
He was a owner of gmrs. Downtown Melbourne fl
Potential thumbtack question here: Why have you gone to visible mike since you identified as Princess NotaRubicon Sparkle Pony awhile back? It's what the other YTers eventually do; you know, the ones who solicit likes, subscribes, bells, joins and waste our valuable time; unlike THIS channel. I suppose they do it to look more professional? The audio was excellent before dude, in a Dan Patrick sort of way. Just bought my GMRS and earned my HAM, so I can be happy and sad at the same time. There's a pill for that I think. Cheers!
The previous mic(s..i've gone through about 5 in the last year) had too high of a noise-floor and I was displeased.. I demand the best in sonic-pleasure for my viewers.
@8:10...lolololol
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I thought we only sharted on the sad hams.
So buy the BIGGEST, STRONGEST and MOST POWERFUL repeater.😆
Ham has thousands of channels GMRS has 22 and only a few are repeater channels.
What is a "Private" repeater? Why do you have to get permission to use a repeater?
Because the owner of a private repeater has decided to keep it private and only allow people to use it with permission.
@@TheNotaRubicon How do they "Keep It Private?" I thought all GMRS channels are open. Thanks for the videos!
all "GMRS channels" are open, but the use of privately owned repeaters is not. It is actually very difficult in practice to keep it private if someone does not follow the wishes of the owner, but most people do.
It would be nice if the FCC would allow the other 7 repeater pairs to be used, instead of as 14 simplex channels for frs.
So it sounds like you should listen to GMRS repeater frequencies just for the hilarity...