Dude, drop your inside elbow straight downward, so they can see that your upper torso and head move and point in the direction of the turn -- automatically -- also your inside knee will point in the direction of the turn and your outside leg will grip the tank -- both automatically.
Unfortunately for me, I don't have elbows. Both arms are solid bone from shoulder to wrist. But I never let it stop me from riding or doing anything else. Because of my unique situation(not special, just different), I have learned to use other parts of my body to compensate for what I can not always do with my arms. But to your point, I use my legs a lot in riding. Just want to say, thanks for all your advice.
It also helps to kick your pelvis out just a little bit, it looks like you were doing this in the video but you didn't mention it. Kicking your pelvis out JUST A HAIR helps keep your spine straight when you're leaning forward which helps maintain that curve in your low back, which reduces fatigue on longer trips. This is from somebody who vacations on a sportbike, taking trips of 300-1,000 miles on a sportbike at a time. yes, you can tour on an R1. or any other sportbike. It CAN BE a LITTLE less comfortable on the long term, but you have an option on a sportbike that you simply do not have on any other bike, and that's to lay on the tank for a few minutes if you start to get fatigued. If you're on a goldwing, you're upright the WHOLE TIME. You can also grip a sportbike with your legs and change your position from high (arms still relaxed) to a bit more forward in the way you are demonstrating here, as well as laying on the tank for long rides and that way you're never in one position for too long. After a few trips (300-ish miles) you'll get the hang of it, and you'll actually start to prefer touring on a sportbike because of the different positions you're readily able to sit in on a sportbike that say, a honda rebel or a harley road king won't allow you to do. And I don't know about anybody else, but I have multiple back injuries, and sitting straight up and down on a harley or goldwing hurts my back... after 20 minutes of bumps compressing my spine, I'm done. On a sport bike, you're always leaning a little forward, so your spine isn't compressing for bumps, its flexing. WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD on the long runs.... and I can usually complete a 400 mile trip with nothing more than a little leg stiffness. But most bikes you have to refuel every 100 or so miles to be safe so you're only riding for an hour and a half at a time, so by the time you get off, refuel, get a drink or go to he bathroom, you've stretched your legs and arms and back and what not and are ready to go again. And its funny too, all my "tight arm" riders, they can't seem to make it past say, 60 miles before they're done for the day. And that's with no back injuries. they're done. Hands are shot, back's shot, neck's shot.
I sometimes have to pull the Simba when my back is tired but I feel more like a hyena due to my bad posture and scoliosis so I have to maintain a wheelie at all times on my 05 suzuki ninja 650rr fireblade
It's not like "core" in general, if you think about the muscles working against gravity when you sit on a sportbike, it's actually ONLY your lower back that's preventing your entire upper body to sink into the handlebars, if you sit correctly and don't use your arms. In my opinion, that's why it sucks, even if you use legs to compensate.
People tell me that it's lazy and doesn't take any effort to ride these bikes. I always say to that lets take it to the track and find out how easy it is. Most people would be slap worn out after a few swift laps. That is if they even the strength to stay on the bike and control it at all. I'm breathing and working just as hard as you would playing basketball when you do a 20 minute track session all out. I'm the weak link on the track not the bike. I start to get tired and can't maintain that pace the bike wants to keep going. People just don't understand.
I have always had adventure bikes so sat straight up and my arms are naturally bent. Just got a sportsbike and my wrists were killing me after 30 minutes, I went on three rides of 90 miles in a few days to see if I just needed to get used to but it was so bad. I called the dealer up and said I wanted to take the bike back. He said I needed to adjust my riding position on a sportsbike. So I went searching on youtube, found this video and I thought "ahhhh! that's what I'm doing wrong". My arms are straight and my weight is constantly on them. So I went out for two practice rides using your technique and the difference was night and day! Thanks so much for a simple but yet very helpful video.
For some reason i can't explain, you sir have the ability to make me fully understand everything i have to know about riding. I guess it's not only me so thank you for your work
I'm a new rider. Just rounded my first 5k km's. Thanks to your, and other's advice, I've kept the shiny side of the bike up, so far. Thank you for that! This tip I actually found out myself, but I still need to remind myself often. I ride a sport touring st1100 btw, and this tip definitely applies too.
That's awesome... I recommend getting a cheap dirt bike if you're a new rider and finding a stretch of land to ride on, you don't have to do anything crazy, don't have to go fast, don't have to do stunts, jumps, none of that, just do some riding on rough terrain with traction that changes constantly, and this will help you instinctively develop tools for "surprise" conditions that may appear while street riding... such as abrupt stops, drastic changes in traction, (riding over antifreeze or oil spills, wet leaves, etc) it'll help you learn what to do when you lock the front or rear brakes, etc etc etc... I also HIGHLY recommend the basic AND advanced rider's classes. I started riding when I was a kid and it was dirt bike riding that put me in the place where by the time I got on the street, I had a SOMEWHAT good idea of what was going on and had a REASONABLE amount of control of the bike. I also recommend this fun exercise while riding, and its unfortunately something most people do NOT do: No matter what your situation is on the road, always assume the person in the car is going to do the "worst case" So if you're coming up on an intersection and a car is sitting there, ASSUME they're going to pull out in front of you. Don't be SCARED, don't be overly FOCUSED ON JUST THEM, I'm not saying that, I'm just saying. When you come up on an intersection you should already know if there are cars there, and be prepared for not if, but WHEN they go ahead and pull out in front of you. Or merge into your lane. It doesn't always happen of course, but if you are ASSUMING it will happen, you've already got an escape route in your mind at ALL TIMES. This has saved my ass idk, maybe 700 times if not more in the 30 years I've been riding. ALWAYS ASSUME. If you're on the interstate? ALWAYS ASSUME the car in front of you will slam on their brakes with no warning, so give them PLENTY of room. Don't follow too close. If there's a car beside you? ALWAYS ASSUME THEY DON'T SEE YOU AND WILL TRY TO MERGE. It doesn't happen every day, but it happens alot. If you ASSUME its going to happen you're already ready. at that point, you're RARELY in a position where you're surprised. You don't want to be surprised on a bike. And for the love of god, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS assume that the guy in the left turn lane is going to pull out in front of you just before you enter the intersection. I recommend some dirt time and at least two classes. With that under your belt and some observant riding behaviors and assuming the worst case scenario in any situation you'll be almost guaranteed to have a long, safe riding journey.
@@bryanharrison3889 How does anyone learn to ride motorcycles on big bikes & public roads, without growing up on dirtbikes and ATV's? I'm in fear for their lives 😂
So true, I remember riding for the first-time last year July and getting serious arm pump. I didn't know why until I watch your videos about being relaxed on a motorcycle and the very next day tried to be relaxed, instantly I increased my riding distance by 30 min. Now I can ride my Daytona for 1.5 hours before needing to get off for a brake, it's crazy how I learned trail braking two months later from your videos as well. I can make turn with one hand if needed to with ease, funny how I never did this on a bicycle LOL. Thank you Master MotoJitsu for teaching me the ways of the rider 👍😎
I learned pretty much all of that on my own within the first month of riding, but that's cos I took my time to FULLY learn the bike, and try differn't things to see what effect it would have while riding and used what worked best :P Never knew a fix for putting weight down on the bars tho, I don't grip tight and can controll fine, but did lean onto the bars... Not big and tall like lion king lol, more leant forward arms slight bent but with the weight on em and it does suck, can ride for HOURS tho as I got used to it, will sure try and remember that leg squeezing thing next time I go out tho for sure!
I ride my daytona a lot too. Only thing that kills me is the knee, such aggressive flexed leg position. Nothing that i can do about it but use the moto go leg tangle
This is why I think installing tank grips on a sport bike is absolutely essential. I don't understand what makes sport bike manufacturers think that there should be a smooth metallic surface where the rider is suppose to hold on to with their thighs.
Everything you said is accurate and good information. I do think a lot of guys Including myself do the lion king position just to get a small break a from the correct position. It’s punishing to ride like that for extended period of time. The lion king is a brief respite 🤷🏽♂️
Great info! In our region its windy and have regular sandstorms i learnt this position while commuting on my first bike Ninja 300. Got handle bars replaced with clip ons to get riding position of Zx6r and it turned out great in regular windy situation. bending on the tank, gripping with legs, loose wrists and eyes on the road! Alhumdulilah!
this is so true and i kind of figured this out on my own after a few months of riding. I would always tend to support myself with my hands and arms(mostly my left hand it felt like) but over time while trying to relieve the strain i was having while doing this I slowly started to realize that i don't need to lean on the grips. Once i stopped doing this things were so much more comfortable and easier to control.
Simple and sweet but hot damn do I need to practice this!! I believe this is part of the reason I get arm fatigue, between not “playing the piano” and not squeezing enough my the knees I can see how this brings fatigue
I have a 2015 R6, and I was wondering why I was hurting so much on my palms, and this just explained it, I was riding it wrong. It's my first bike and I've only owned it for a month, thank you for this video!
I actually learned this by accident before I even knew about these videos. I was just cruising down the road and I was wondering if I could control my bike without using my hands. So I started to grip the tank with my legs and started to sway around. from there on I learned to control the bike using my legs rather than my arms
LOL bro do you realize how impossible that is. Control your bike with your legs. Where do you live , North Dakota. I live in BC and im literally counter steering as hard as I can with my handle bars to turn my bike. I sometimes using all my strength to counter steer. If I tried to steer with my legs I would be off the highway and dead 30 seconds on highway 3 BC.
Thank you! I've been riding like that since I got my sport bike, and couldn't figure out why I was so sore, and hands going numb. But after watching this, it has helped a lot! Mega kudoz!
😂 There was a guy that used to ride a 636 in my area that rode just like the thumbnail! Had his back arched and everything. I have no idea how he could ride like that without being in pain. Legs and core are the key on a sport bike.
Dude these videos are so informative. Even these shorter ones. I just started riding and I've been curious about body position so this has helped me out a lot since I watched it the first time
@@delgande That's the question. I know that taste are different. And yes, they Look great, but (on the street) you can be fast enough on any bike and sports bikes are so uncomfortable that I would not want to ride one there.
Thank you, straight to the point. I am new to sport bikes, my hands are hurting, and didn't know what I was doing wrong. Now I know, and I will ride more aware, and I'll keep practicing.
I used to do that when I first started riding. Yzfr125, long journies I would feel so arthritic after getting off the bike. Luckily my friend's father told me how to sit and grip properly. Great video!
I hear your voice in my head every time I ride. Thank you for taking the time to explain things the way you do. I learn something every time I watch your channel.
I used to ride with "broken arm syndrome" but still had my arms loose. After watching other of your videos I acted to ride with my arms bent and loose. And man, it's so uncomfortable. Both ways. Seriously thinking of trading in my ZX6R for a Street Triple RS 😅
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If you still want the awesome Superbike look and sound but is very comfortable, Honda got you covered with CBR650R. But yeah a Roadster will be much more comfortable, and some of the high-end ones also have insane power output.
Riding a bike like an r6, it’s all legs and core. Especially if you’re trying to stay light on the bars People riding with all their weight on the bars are why you’ll see new or unskilled riders get tank slappers going over train tracks and other obstacles
I just purchased my first sports bike and today is the second day when my wrist hurt and I realised something might be wrong with the way I'm positioning myself. This was exactly the case. Thank you for being so crisp.
@@MotoJitsu I dont disagree with that. ITs when you hear some people talk about them like theyre some sort of chinese torture device. Theyre still designed to be riden by a human being, you just need to have the right technique.
just like that huh? have the right technique? Like that's a standard thing agreed upon by everyone? To me, it's uncomfortable...and I know how to ride very well.
@@MotoJitsu I'm not saying it's super comfortable. I'm just saying that if you are crippled after 2 hours of riding you might be doing something wrong.
Short and too the point... My type of style, thanks for the info much needed for the near future that I will be getting a sportbike (a zx6r) one day and this would come in handy.. all the success my dude
I'm in very good shape...still don't like riding these bikes at all....so it's more than that. Thanks for watching ❤️ MotoJitsu.com for my App, Books, Merch, Discounts, etc. 👍🏼
Just develop a fat gut, it helps hold you up when you are in that position. I regularly do long rides on an R1 with no problems - last Saturday, 620 k's.
I do it a lot during city traffic. I'm never tucked resting on the tank like I am at the track. If I use my legs they'll usually get tired by the end of the ride and thats when I'll start to put all my waite on my wrist and lock elbows. It takes the strain of my back and legs. Then again i'm driving slow in the city so it doesn't really matter.
I know a straight back isn't good either.. Your spine becomes a spring suspeension. I think the right answer should be somewhere in between like always
Yeah, had this problem both on moto-school's ER-6Ns and when going from my Shadow 600 (with drag bars) to a friend's CB250R... same feeling of weight on my wrist and my inner left wrist started hurting like crazy from operating the clutch (short fingers here, too). Heedless to say, I prefer a more relaxed/neutral hand position on the handlebar, thank you!
Thanks dude noob here, just got a cbr125r and this is super helpful, I'm not inverting my elbows but wasn't gripping the tank with my legs either, even when "relaxed" (form isn't gunna be perfect yet) hands been aching sooner than what would be viable, so I'll give this a go next time I'm practicing
Thanks for the info Sir! I always wondered why my wrists and lower back would hurt after being on a bike for an extended time. Straight to the point instruction, a nice mix of street smart and book smart advice rolled into one.
Thats why I switched to a super naked 3 years ago, wish I had done it 22 years ago...the whole riding experience is so much better, especially for the bad back.
If riding a cross wind it's good to use your legs more to hold the bike but if you semi lock one or other of the arms then it stops the bike being pushed sideways. Loosen and tighten arms as required for changeable wind strength/ direction.. useful in hurricane strength winds too.
My wrists would end up sore after about 30 mins but after watching this video and focusing on the things you explained my wrists are fine now. After a short time holding the bars lightly becomes natural. Great video that helped me a lot.
Shure that's not a position to generaly ride in... also depends on the bike - i ride a Duc V2 - which on the road, i can't even sit as far back as i do on a track for breaking... so often in slower scenarios, i sometimes do strech my arms... which is not helpful except for relaxation... so the hole seating position changes inbetween road and track...
I agree with not locking out your arms. However, 1 you need to scoot away from the tank more than you are it allows you to move around better and gives you more leverage and power to squeeze the tank. 2, the inside of your forearm touching the tank usually refers to your outside arm being stretched across the tank (like what is taught in Champ School) so I don't quite agree with the way you use it here, but if it helps someone relax their arms then all good.
I just sit up like that but with one hand so I can sit upright more in a more comfortable position when I'm cruising. I don't do backwards elbow tho or put my weight on my palms. Try it sometime. Great when riding through towns when the speed limit is under 35 mph.
You are right, I do so when I am ripping around. When I do 60 km/h in the city in traffic, I do not care. I change to any position more comfortable. Doing 500 km a day is pretty bad in any position. Changing helps to stretch all the muscles around.
Good info I’d just suggest scooting back in the seat a little bit so you can slide on the seat and not rotate your hips. That will throw off your body positioning as well.
Love you man! Your content always hits the point well! I see so many sports bike riders riding like that. I wonder how comfortable do they think they're feeling. Bent arms is the only way and on track can you imagine what they would look like, all twisted up with their arse hanging off and their 'straight arms' and upper body planted smack in the middle on every turn
Love the face. That is definitely the face I made when I first got on the bike. I'm 1.5 months in now and I began to ride naturally like you instructed (the right way). My biggest problem is I am quite unsure how to tuck properly on the bike. It's like well my back hurts now, that's cool (when I try to do it). Any chance you can demonstrate proper forward lean technique (upper torso tucking, or w/e it's called these days). lol Also, sorry to bump this.
I've been riding since 1992 on and off. Everything I do is intuitive. It's vids like yours that have helped me correct several bad habits I had, and I possibly have some more I'm unaware of.
I found that the best way to make my BMW S1000RR super comfortable, enough to do many hours of riding without a break was to trade it in on a BMW R1200RT.
Dude, It’s called stretching! Since sport bikes aren’t exactly a lazy boy recliner it sometimes requires the back and arms to be stiff to stretch out aching muscles. I stretch like that all the time if the road is straight. I’ve never seen a rider doing that in the twisties
Thanks for your simple yet useful advice. I'm trying to learn to deliberately let my elbows relax and to squeeze my thighs against my bike's fuel tank.
Yes man see it all the time too since iv been riding and I initially took your advice a long time ago to do this and iv done it since the day I owned a sports bike and its so much more comfortable!
Hey brother I have a very important question that I believe most riders like myself may have. Why do I get pain on my upper back when I ride my GS? Do I need bar risers or not? Maybe you’ll make a video and help us out! Thanks brother for your time and of course thank you for your Service from another Veteran.
It could be noted that the early cbrs had a indentation in the fairings to get your legs up into the bike to hold it. I don’t know how effective the design was and probably led to scratches on the fairings but you could see where they were going with it to hold the bike with your legs dirt bikes you can’t get away without holding the bike with your legs either and pros will pick you out
I ride a sports bike, I've found myself sitting upright like the lion king to relieve the pain in my neck from leaning forward but having to tilt my head up to see where I'm going. After an hour or so of riding, the pain is terrible. No more sports bikes for me.
EXACTLY!!.........10 years of riding sport bikes, I'm OVER it.....your neck/back gets destroyed!!.....it's Not worth it. Cruisers or Enduro bikes are where it's at!
Great advice. I got my gsxr off a guy who couldn't ride it without sore hands, lion king posture all the way. I ride it every day thinking can I play piano like this? No problems. Motojitsu advice is gold. Thanks for all you do, succinct and intelligent, you made me practise.
Depends on the bike and your size. Race bike ergonomics are terrible for road use. My ZZR1200 had such low bars that it needed bar risers and a better seat. Now it's much easier to ride. They should make more bikes with more adjustability. Eg adjustable ride height. No need for bikes to be so uncomfortable. My Yamaha Fazer1000 with detuned R1 engine was pretty quick weapon but damn comfortable aswell.
I just rode my ZX14R from Maine to South Carolina and back last summer. Majority of my ride consisted of my left arm on the tank, under my chest leaning against it, and my right arm loosely holding the throttle, and I was extremely comfortable the whole ride. Yea, probably shouldn't be 1 handing it, but I was extremely comfortable and damnit, I'll do it again this summer for my ride from Maine to Florida and back.
I started using these techniques on my cbr600 mid season last year. Squeeze gas tank and play the noodley piano. Only pain I get is from my bike vibrating my hands at certain speeds and my butt because of the plywood that honda calls a seat.
So true got a Ducati as 900 and had sore wrists nearly every time and was definitely the result of leaning my weight onto my arms and having my elbows pointing out. This way is so much easier on the body. Also found got really sore back and was from having wallet in back pocket and being uneven.
I passed my test in November and got a bike shortly after. Unfortunately due to the weather haven’t had a chance to get out on it much but the last time I did go for a ride, I noticed after 10mins my wrists where killing me and now I know why! I’ve been riding like this without even noticing! So thank you for the advice. Im looking forward to practicing it once the weather picks up 🙌
This guy gave me a much better understanding on riding and how to approach a corner than most of these RUclipsrs in less than a minute. You sir have gotten a new follower
That's why I have a Ninja 400 haha. I may get the CBR650R. Every bike is built for its own purpose. I street ride and will one day track ride. So the 400 and 650R are great options vs. 600cc-1000cc+
I kept sliding forward on the seat so used to use my arms to stay in one spot. Eventually I found out that if I sat right on the back of the seat I would not slide. Released a ton of pressure off my arms. Got to get some tank grips someday.
Sitting up with straight-ish arms is ok and doesn't mean the weight is on your hands. You can be sitting however you want and have 0% weight on your hands and be 100% supported by your core. In fact, sitting up puts less weight on your wrist and lower back because the wind is helping to hold you up, taking some pressure off of your core. You obviously shouldn't do it in the twisties but it's fine for just cruising down the highway.
The challenge I see with light hands is, my back is not at resting position and it’s bent without any support, it starts aching fast, when we lock the hands, the back stays a little straight and no pain in back but pain in wrist, what am I doing wrong?
had to resort to bad riding posture to give my legs a break when I rode a cbr1k across state ( just bough it ), felt goofy as hell but my legs thanked me lol.
I still can't grasp the concept of sitting in a position like this. I sat on my dream bike Gxsr 750 and couldn't find comfort or even imagine how a long ride would be. I ended up getting a naked sport and haven't looked back. On my ninja 500 the handlebars had a relaxed position that kept me upright until I needed to get low. Still awesome bikes though
Always good tips, thanks. Maybe a good video from you can help many, including me; I hope! To go hand in hand (pun intended) with this posted video, I see all types of riders trying to 'strong arm' the handlebars when encountering loose material beneath their tires, making handling worse and causing major issues...and crashes. It can be dirt, sand, gravel, mud or many others. Losing momentum and muscling the bars can get all of us in trouble, IMHO. Good Rides
Haha. Truth! Your entire riding posture should be supported by your legs and thighs, the hands are just for steering and controls. You don't even have to stick your inner knee out when you turn, that's just for racers to gage angle when they knee scrape
Also in an event of crashing into something there's a higher chance of your wrists/ arms being broken due to them being so stiff and straight. Sausage hands all the way! Good video.
CUT OUT THAT LION KING SYNDROME!! 🦁
Dude, drop your inside elbow straight downward, so they can see that your upper torso and head move and point in the direction of the turn -- automatically -- also your inside knee will point in the direction of the turn and your outside leg will grip the tank -- both automatically.
Unfortunately for me, I don't have elbows. Both arms are solid bone from shoulder to wrist. But I never let it stop me from riding or doing anything else. Because of my unique situation(not special, just different), I have learned to use other parts of my body to compensate for what I can not always do with my arms. But to your point, I use my legs a lot in riding. Just want to say, thanks for all your advice.
It also helps to kick your pelvis out just a little bit, it looks like you were doing this in the video but you didn't mention it. Kicking your pelvis out JUST A HAIR helps keep your spine straight when you're leaning forward which helps maintain that curve in your low back, which reduces fatigue on longer trips. This is from somebody who vacations on a sportbike, taking trips of 300-1,000 miles on a sportbike at a time. yes, you can tour on an R1. or any other sportbike. It CAN BE a LITTLE less comfortable on the long term, but you have an option on a sportbike that you simply do not have on any other bike, and that's to lay on the tank for a few minutes if you start to get fatigued. If you're on a goldwing, you're upright the WHOLE TIME. You can also grip a sportbike with your legs and change your position from high (arms still relaxed) to a bit more forward in the way you are demonstrating here, as well as laying on the tank for long rides and that way you're never in one position for too long. After a few trips (300-ish miles) you'll get the hang of it, and you'll actually start to prefer touring on a sportbike because of the different positions you're readily able to sit in on a sportbike that say, a honda rebel or a harley road king won't allow you to do. And I don't know about anybody else, but I have multiple back injuries, and sitting straight up and down on a harley or goldwing hurts my back... after 20 minutes of bumps compressing my spine, I'm done. On a sport bike, you're always leaning a little forward, so your spine isn't compressing for bumps, its flexing. WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD on the long runs.... and I can usually complete a 400 mile trip with nothing more than a little leg stiffness. But most bikes you have to refuel every 100 or so miles to be safe so you're only riding for an hour and a half at a time, so by the time you get off, refuel, get a drink or go to he bathroom, you've stretched your legs and arms and back and what not and are ready to go again. And its funny too, all my "tight arm" riders, they can't seem to make it past say, 60 miles before they're done for the day. And that's with no back injuries. they're done. Hands are shot, back's shot, neck's shot.
You looking that one guy who do this in road 😂 that guy was really making face like you and he was in no protection like helmet
I sometimes have to pull the Simba when my back is tired but I feel more like a hyena due to my bad posture and scoliosis so I have to maintain a wheelie at all times on my 05 suzuki ninja 650rr fireblade
thanks for not making this a 20 minute video like 99% of other youtubers great lesson
only reason i clicked on the video
Nice you took the words out of my mouth
Most guys the a 20-minute video for just a single piece of advice that they could tell in less than 5 minutes
No bullshit, no crap talking, just good information in under 2 minutes. THANKS!
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Core strength is essential when riding a bike, especially a sport bike. Great video!
I’m in good shape and these bikes still suck to ride for me
It's not like "core" in general, if you think about the muscles working against gravity when you sit on a sportbike, it's actually ONLY your lower back that's preventing your entire upper body to sink into the handlebars, if you sit correctly and don't use your arms.
In my opinion, that's why it sucks, even if you use legs to compensate.
People tell me that it's lazy and doesn't take any effort to ride these bikes. I always say to that lets take it to the track and find out how easy it is. Most people would be slap worn out after a few swift laps. That is if they even the strength to stay on the bike and control it at all. I'm breathing and working just as hard as you would playing basketball when you do a 20 minute track session all out. I'm the weak link on the track not the bike. I start to get tired and can't maintain that pace the bike wants to keep going. People just don't understand.
@@shavy9655 Keeps me awake. I like it!
Wallet strength 😂
I have always had adventure bikes so sat straight up and my arms are naturally bent.
Just got a sportsbike and my wrists were killing me after 30 minutes, I went on three rides of 90 miles in a few days to see if I just needed to get used to but it was so bad. I called the dealer up and said I wanted to take the bike back.
He said I needed to adjust my riding position on a sportsbike. So I went searching on youtube, found this video and I thought "ahhhh! that's what I'm doing wrong". My arms are straight and my weight is constantly on them.
So I went out for two practice rides using your technique and the difference was night and day!
Thanks so much for a simple but yet very helpful video.
Really love these short very intuitive videos. when I go out I have you in my head in all scenarios. 🇬🇧👍🏍
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That came out funny
@@АлексейЛогинов-ж1ц I know right 😅
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@@nameyourchannel8262 Oh grow up. Nathan was simply saying that whenever he's out MotoJitsu comes into his head.
For some reason i can't explain, you sir have the ability to make me fully understand everything i have to know about riding. I guess it's not only me so thank you for your work
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That's what great teachers do.👍
I'm a new rider. Just rounded my first 5k km's. Thanks to your, and other's advice, I've kept the shiny side of the bike up, so far. Thank you for that! This tip I actually found out myself, but I still need to remind myself often. I ride a sport touring st1100 btw, and this tip definitely applies too.
thanks!
That's awesome... I recommend getting a cheap dirt bike if you're a new rider and finding a stretch of land to ride on, you don't have to do anything crazy, don't have to go fast, don't have to do stunts, jumps, none of that, just do some riding on rough terrain with traction that changes constantly, and this will help you instinctively develop tools for "surprise" conditions that may appear while street riding... such as abrupt stops, drastic changes in traction, (riding over antifreeze or oil spills, wet leaves, etc) it'll help you learn what to do when you lock the front or rear brakes, etc etc etc... I also HIGHLY recommend the basic AND advanced rider's classes. I started riding when I was a kid and it was dirt bike riding that put me in the place where by the time I got on the street, I had a SOMEWHAT good idea of what was going on and had a REASONABLE amount of control of the bike. I also recommend this fun exercise while riding, and its unfortunately something most people do NOT do: No matter what your situation is on the road, always assume the person in the car is going to do the "worst case" So if you're coming up on an intersection and a car is sitting there, ASSUME they're going to pull out in front of you. Don't be SCARED, don't be overly FOCUSED ON JUST THEM, I'm not saying that, I'm just saying. When you come up on an intersection you should already know if there are cars there, and be prepared for not if, but WHEN they go ahead and pull out in front of you. Or merge into your lane. It doesn't always happen of course, but if you are ASSUMING it will happen, you've already got an escape route in your mind at ALL TIMES. This has saved my ass idk, maybe 700 times if not more in the 30 years I've been riding. ALWAYS ASSUME. If you're on the interstate? ALWAYS ASSUME the car in front of you will slam on their brakes with no warning, so give them PLENTY of room. Don't follow too close. If there's a car beside you? ALWAYS ASSUME THEY DON'T SEE YOU AND WILL TRY TO MERGE. It doesn't happen every day, but it happens alot. If you ASSUME its going to happen you're already ready. at that point, you're RARELY in a position where you're surprised. You don't want to be surprised on a bike. And for the love of god, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS assume that the guy in the left turn lane is going to pull out in front of you just before you enter the intersection. I recommend some dirt time and at least two classes. With that under your belt and some observant riding behaviors and assuming the worst case scenario in any situation you'll be almost guaranteed to have a long, safe riding journey.
Hell of a bike for a first time rider, good luck.
Rubber side down brother.
@@bryanharrison3889 How does anyone learn to ride motorcycles on big bikes & public roads, without growing up on dirtbikes and ATV's? I'm in fear for their lives 😂
So true, I remember riding for the first-time last year July and getting serious arm pump. I didn't know why until I watch your videos about being relaxed on a motorcycle and the very next day tried to be relaxed, instantly I increased my riding distance by 30 min. Now I can ride my Daytona for 1.5 hours before needing to get off for a brake, it's crazy how I learned trail braking two months later from your videos as well. I can make turn with one hand if needed to with ease, funny how I never did this on a bicycle LOL. Thank you Master MotoJitsu for teaching me the ways of the rider 👍😎
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I learned pretty much all of that on my own within the first month of riding, but that's cos I took my time to FULLY learn the bike, and try differn't things to see what effect it would have while riding and used what worked best :P Never knew a fix for putting weight down on the bars tho, I don't grip tight and can controll fine, but did lean onto the bars... Not big and tall like lion king lol, more leant forward arms slight bent but with the weight on em and it does suck, can ride for HOURS tho as I got used to it, will sure try and remember that leg squeezing thing next time I go out tho for sure!
I ride my daytona a lot too. Only thing that kills me is the knee, such aggressive flexed leg position. Nothing that i can do about it but use the moto go leg tangle
This is why I think installing tank grips on a sport bike is absolutely essential. I don't understand what makes sport bike manufacturers think that there should be a smooth metallic surface where the rider is suppose to hold on to with their thighs.
So damn right man, those fucking slippery oil tanks and frames are just so so hard to hold on to, no matter how hard you squeeze your thigh
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just wear leathers!!!
Good point
To be fair, I’m 5’6 and have tank grips on my R6 but my legs only make contact with the frame 😂
Everything you said is accurate and good information. I do think a lot of guys Including myself do the lion king position just to get a small break a from the correct position. It’s punishing to ride like that for extended period of time. The lion king is a brief respite 🤷🏽♂️
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Great info!
In our region its windy and have regular sandstorms i learnt this position while commuting on my first bike Ninja 300. Got handle bars replaced with clip ons to get riding position of Zx6r and it turned out great in regular windy situation. bending on the tank, gripping with legs, loose wrists and eyes on the road!
Alhumdulilah!
Very helpful!
this is so true and i kind of figured this out on my own after a few months of riding. I would always tend to support myself with my hands and arms(mostly my left hand it felt like) but over time while trying to relieve the strain i was having while doing this I slowly started to realize that i don't need to lean on the grips. Once i stopped doing this things were so much more comfortable and easier to control.
How does your lower back hold out supporting your upper body weight?
Simple and sweet but hot damn do I need to practice this!! I believe this is part of the reason I get arm fatigue, between not “playing the piano” and not squeezing enough my the knees I can see how this brings fatigue
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I have a 2015 R6, and I was wondering why I was hurting so much on my palms, and this just explained it, I was riding it wrong. It's my first bike and I've only owned it for a month, thank you for this video!
I actually learned this by accident before I even knew about these videos. I was just cruising down the road and I was wondering if I could control my bike without using my hands. So I started to grip the tank with my legs and started to sway around. from there on I learned to control the bike using my legs rather than my arms
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LOL bro do you realize how impossible that is. Control your bike with your legs. Where do you live , North Dakota. I live in BC and im literally counter steering as hard as I can with my handle bars to turn my bike. I sometimes using all my strength to counter steer. If I tried to steer with my legs I would be off the highway and dead 30 seconds on highway 3 BC.
Thank you! I've been riding like that since I got my sport bike, and couldn't figure out why I was so sore, and hands going numb. But after watching this, it has helped a lot! Mega kudoz!
😂 There was a guy that used to ride a 636 in my area that rode just like the thumbnail! Had his back arched and everything. I have no idea how he could ride like that without being in pain.
Legs and core are the key on a sport bike.
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Dude these videos are so informative. Even these shorter ones. I just started riding and I've been curious about body position so this has helped me out a lot since I watched it the first time
I'll never understand, why anyone who's not on the track, would like to sit like that on a bike.
I can't...it's so uncomfortable and impractical.
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Then why buy a sport bike?????
@@delgande That's the question. I know that taste are different. And yes, they Look great, but (on the street) you can be fast enough on any bike and sports bikes are so uncomfortable that I would not want to ride one there.
looks cool
@@Frilabird true 😀
Thank you, straight to the point.
I am new to sport bikes, my hands are hurting, and didn't know what I was doing wrong.
Now I know, and I will ride more aware, and I'll keep practicing.
I used to do that when I first started riding. Yzfr125, long journies I would feel so arthritic after getting off the bike.
Luckily my friend's father told me how to sit and grip properly. Great video!
I... so... I'm just gonna leave it alone 😔. It's just too tempting to make a joke🤣🤣
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@@MrBYRON-iv5uo I thought of that while writing it lol. Should I add a no homo disclaimer?
This is the knowledge not a lot of people know, even on cafe racers. I'm glad someone with high exposure like you shows people the right way.
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So true about playing the piano. I started doing this on my 600rr and my hands don’t fall asleep anymore.Thanks
yes!!
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I hear your voice in my head every time I ride. Thank you for taking the time to explain things the way you do. I learn something every time I watch your channel.
I used to ride with "broken arm syndrome" but still had my arms loose. After watching other of your videos I acted to ride with my arms bent and loose.
And man, it's so uncomfortable. Both ways. Seriously thinking of trading in my ZX6R for a Street Triple RS 😅
your confidence and skill will go up dramatically because you'll be more comfortable and confident
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If you still want the awesome Superbike look and sound but is very comfortable, Honda got you covered with CBR650R. But yeah a Roadster will be much more comfortable, and some of the high-end ones also have insane power output.
Get a gsxs750. Same motor as gsxr750 and more comfortable
Out of everything on RUclips this must be the shortest simplest to the point most direct video thank you for the thought
Riding a bike like an r6, it’s all legs and core. Especially if you’re trying to stay light on the bars
People riding with all their weight on the bars are why you’ll see new or unskilled riders get tank slappers going over train tracks and other obstacles
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I just purchased my first sports bike and today is the second day when my wrist hurt and I realised something might be wrong with the way I'm positioning myself. This was exactly the case. Thank you for being so crisp.
"SpOrt bIkEs aRe sO UncOmfOrtable."
Yeah, paticularly if you dont know how to ride one.
They're the most uncomfortable bikes available...by far
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@@MotoJitsu I dont disagree with that. ITs when you hear some people talk about them like theyre some sort of chinese torture device. Theyre still designed to be riden by a human being, you just need to have the right technique.
just like that huh? have the right technique? Like that's a standard thing agreed upon by everyone? To me, it's uncomfortable...and I know how to ride very well.
@@MotoJitsu I'm not saying it's super comfortable. I'm just saying that if you are crippled after 2 hours of riding you might be doing something wrong.
I'm not...they just suck for riding on the street. If they're comfortable for you...ok? We're all different.
Short and too the point... My type of style, thanks for the info much needed for the near future that I will be getting a sportbike (a zx6r) one day and this would come in handy.. all the success my dude
trust me, 95% of sport bike riders have no core/lower body strength to last more than 20 minutes on the road.
I'm in very good shape...still don't like riding these bikes at all....so it's more than that.
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@@MotoJitsu the body strength issue is at least 50% of the issue hardware wise for the nut on the bike...
"trust me, 95%..." yeah no....making up stats is silly.
Just develop a fat gut, it helps hold you up when you are in that position. I regularly do long rides on an R1 with no problems - last Saturday, 620 k's.
I do it a lot during city traffic. I'm never tucked resting on the tank like I am at the track. If I use my legs they'll usually get tired by the end of the ride and thats when I'll start to put all my waite on my wrist and lock elbows. It takes the strain of my back and legs. Then again i'm driving slow in the city so it doesn't really matter.
Should we keep the back straight like when squatting?
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I'm no expert but if your lower back stays rounded for long periods of time this is not good. That much I'm sure of.
I know a straight back isn't good either..
Your spine becomes a spring suspeension.
I think the right answer should be somewhere in between like always
@@adirshelly1237 I don't think he is a big fan of sport bikes for this reason.
@@bricklawson9745 Indeed mate
Yeah, had this problem both on moto-school's ER-6Ns and when going from my Shadow 600 (with drag bars) to a friend's CB250R... same feeling of weight on my wrist and my inner left wrist started hurting like crazy from operating the clutch (short fingers here, too).
Heedless to say, I prefer a more relaxed/neutral hand position on the handlebar, thank you!
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Perfect. After 50+ years of riding I just bought my first sport bike at age 74 and that's gonna help mate, so thanks!
welcome
Thanks dude noob here, just got a cbr125r and this is super helpful, I'm not inverting my elbows but wasn't gripping the tank with my legs either, even when "relaxed" (form isn't gunna be perfect yet) hands been aching sooner than what would be viable, so I'll give this a go next time I'm practicing
Thanks for the info Sir!
I always wondered why my wrists and lower back would hurt after being on a bike for an extended time.
Straight to the point instruction, a nice mix of street smart and book smart advice rolled into one.
Thats why I switched to a super naked 3 years ago, wish I had done it 22 years ago...the whole riding experience is so much better, especially for the bad back.
yes!
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If riding a cross wind it's good to use your legs more to hold the bike but if you semi lock one or other of the arms then it stops the bike being pushed sideways. Loosen and tighten arms as required for changeable wind strength/ direction.. useful in hurricane strength winds too.
My wrists would end up sore after about 30 mins but after watching this video and focusing on the things you explained my wrists are fine now. After a short time holding the bars lightly becomes natural. Great video that helped me a lot.
From moped to sport. Really need adjustment period to get this right. Nice tips and thanks.
I’m really liking the short videos , I find myself using more and more of your instruction on the road
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For what it’s worth. In 6 years I have never turned notifications to all videos. Yours is a first. Love it.
Shure that's not a position to generaly ride in... also depends on the bike - i ride a Duc V2 - which on the road, i can't even sit as far back as i do on a track for breaking... so often in slower scenarios, i sometimes do strech my arms... which is not helpful except for relaxation... so the hole seating position changes inbetween road and track...
I agree with not locking out your arms. However, 1 you need to scoot away from the tank more than you are it allows you to move around better and gives you more leverage and power to squeeze the tank. 2, the inside of your forearm touching the tank usually refers to your outside arm being stretched across the tank (like what is taught in Champ School) so I don't quite agree with the way you use it here, but if it helps someone relax their arms then all good.
I'm a new rider and needed this haha cbr600rr is way different than a dirtbike trying to find out the perfect riding position thank you
Very well explained. Thank you!
I just sit up like that but with one hand so I can sit upright more in a more comfortable position when I'm cruising. I don't do backwards elbow tho or put my weight on my palms. Try it sometime. Great when riding through towns when the speed limit is under 35 mph.
Great advice. It's way too easy to get lazy and 'rest' on your handle bars. I catch myself doing it all the time. 👍
You are right, I do so when I am ripping around. When I do 60 km/h in the city in traffic, I do not care. I change to any position more comfortable. Doing 500 km a day is pretty bad in any position. Changing helps to stretch all the muscles around.
It's first video I saw. A no nonsense educational video. Thumps up mate.
Good info I’d just suggest scooting back in the seat a little bit so you can slide on the seat and not rotate your hips. That will throw off your body positioning as well.
Great insight. It highlights how much more practice and understanding I need when riding my sport bike. Thanks for sharing.
Glad it was helpful!
Love you man! Your content always hits the point well! I see so many sports bike riders riding like that. I wonder how comfortable do they think they're feeling. Bent arms is the only way and on track can you imagine what they would look like, all twisted up with their arse hanging off and their 'straight arms' and upper body planted smack in the middle on every turn
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Love the face. That is definitely the face I made when I first got on the bike. I'm 1.5 months in now and I began to ride naturally like you instructed (the right way). My biggest problem is I am quite unsure how to tuck properly on the bike. It's like well my back hurts now, that's cool (when I try to do it).
Any chance you can demonstrate proper forward lean technique (upper torso tucking, or w/e it's called these days). lol
Also, sorry to bump this.
u gotta start stretching and get those hamstrings and muscles extend out, it'll help alleviate the back pain problem
I've been riding since 1992 on and off. Everything I do is intuitive. It's vids like yours that have helped me correct several bad habits I had, and I possibly have some more I'm unaware of.
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I found that the best way to make my BMW S1000RR super comfortable, enough to do many hours of riding without a break was to trade it in on a BMW R1200RT.
Love this guy he gets straight to the point with no bs
Hell yea.
Thanks for taking the time to post these vids up man.
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Dude, It’s called stretching! Since sport bikes aren’t exactly a lazy boy recliner it sometimes requires the back and arms to be stiff to stretch out aching muscles. I stretch like that all the time if the road is straight. I’ve never seen a rider doing that in the twisties
Well said, I appreciate how you have multiple examples to support what you are saying
Thanks for your simple yet useful advice. I'm trying to learn to deliberately let my elbows relax and to squeeze my thighs against my bike's fuel tank.
Yes man see it all the time too since iv been riding and I initially took your advice a long time ago to do this and iv done it since the day I owned a sports bike and its so much more comfortable!
Hey brother I have a very important question that I believe most riders like myself may have. Why do I get pain on my upper back when I ride my GS? Do I need bar risers or not? Maybe you’ll make a video and help us out! Thanks brother for your time and of course thank you for your Service from another Veteran.
It could be noted that the early cbrs had a indentation in the fairings to get your legs up into the bike to hold it. I don’t know how effective the design was and probably led to scratches on the fairings but you could see where they were going with it to hold the bike with your legs dirt bikes you can’t get away without holding the bike with your legs either and pros will pick you out
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This is very good advice for the less experienced riders out there.
I ride a sports bike, I've found myself sitting upright like the lion king to relieve the pain in my neck from leaning forward but having to tilt my head up to see where I'm going. After an hour or so of riding, the pain is terrible. No more sports bikes for me.
EXACTLY!!.........10 years of riding sport bikes, I'm OVER it.....your neck/back gets destroyed!!.....it's Not worth it. Cruisers or Enduro bikes are where it's at!
Great advice. I got my gsxr off a guy who couldn't ride it without sore hands, lion king posture all the way. I ride it every day thinking can I play piano like this? No problems. Motojitsu advice is gold. Thanks for all you do, succinct and intelligent, you made me practise.
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Facts. I see this & sometimes find myself in that position! Gotta get better!
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Depends on the bike and your size. Race bike ergonomics are terrible for road use. My ZZR1200 had such low bars that it needed bar risers and a better seat. Now it's much easier to ride. They should make more bikes with more adjustability. Eg adjustable ride height. No need for bikes to be so uncomfortable. My Yamaha Fazer1000 with detuned R1 engine was pretty quick weapon but damn comfortable aswell.
I just rode my ZX14R from Maine to South Carolina and back last summer. Majority of my ride consisted of my left arm on the tank, under my chest leaning against it, and my right arm loosely holding the throttle, and I was extremely comfortable the whole ride. Yea, probably shouldn't be 1 handing it, but I was extremely comfortable and damnit, I'll do it again this summer for my ride from Maine to Florida and back.
I started using these techniques on my cbr600 mid season last year. Squeeze gas tank and play the noodley piano. Only pain I get is from my bike vibrating my hands at certain speeds and my butt because of the plywood that honda calls a seat.
Thanks, my first ride home on my new bike was a little painful. Lol, now I know why
So true got a Ducati as 900 and had sore wrists nearly every time and was definitely the result of leaning my weight onto my arms and having my elbows pointing out. This way is so much easier on the body. Also found got really sore back and was from having wallet in back pocket and being uneven.
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I passed my test in November and got a bike shortly after. Unfortunately due to the weather haven’t had a chance to get out on it much but the last time I did go for a ride, I noticed after 10mins my wrists where killing me and now I know why! I’ve been riding like this without even noticing! So thank you for the advice. Im looking forward to practicing it once the weather picks up 🙌
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Great shorts, i love following your videos,. Thank you from Blighty🇬🇧
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Should have mentioned covering the front brake and proper counter steering.
2 mins video? We need more like you. Thank you very informative
Man u made it so easy to understand with engaging body actions
This guy gave me a much better understanding on riding and how to approach a corner than most of these RUclipsrs in less than a minute. You sir have gotten a new follower
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That's why I have a Ninja 400 haha. I may get the CBR650R. Every bike is built for its own purpose. I street ride and will one day track ride. So the 400 and 650R are great options vs. 600cc-1000cc+
This is great educational content. Thank you for teaching riders how to enjoy bikes in a safe way.
really seeing so many people on streets ride with straight arms
I kept sliding forward on the seat so used to use my arms to stay in one spot.
Eventually I found out that if I sat right on the back of the seat I would not slide. Released a ton of pressure off my arms.
Got to get some tank grips someday.
Sitting up with straight-ish arms is ok and doesn't mean the weight is on your hands. You can be sitting however you want and have 0% weight on your hands and be 100% supported by your core. In fact, sitting up puts less weight on your wrist and lower back because the wind is helping to hold you up, taking some pressure off of your core. You obviously shouldn't do it in the twisties but it's fine for just cruising down the highway.
Been riding for 6 years now but I used to always watch your stuff for the first 2 years. I now mostly do Moto gymkhana here in Japan, thanks bro.
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The challenge I see with light hands is, my back is not at resting position and it’s bent without any support, it starts aching fast, when we lock the hands, the back stays a little straight and no pain in back but pain in wrist, what am I doing wrong?
I do Harley position riding with legs stuck out forward when I see cruisers so I blend in.
had to resort to bad riding posture to give my legs a break when I rode a cbr1k across state ( just bough it ), felt goofy as hell but my legs thanked me lol.
I still can't grasp the concept of sitting in a position like this. I sat on my dream bike Gxsr 750 and couldn't find comfort or even imagine how a long ride would be. I ended up getting a naked sport and haven't looked back. On my ninja 500 the handlebars had a relaxed position that kept me upright until I needed to get low. Still awesome bikes though
I use to do that when i needed to prop myself up after the riding position would start to hurt my stomach
i do the lion king to break more natural due to air resistance on highway for example and they see me better
Short and informative. Thanks for sharing! Stay connected!
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Always good tips, thanks. Maybe a good video from you can help many, including me; I hope! To go hand in hand (pun intended) with this posted video, I see all types of riders trying to 'strong arm' the handlebars when encountering loose material beneath their tires, making handling worse and causing major issues...and crashes.
It can be dirt, sand, gravel, mud or many others. Losing momentum and muscling the bars can get all of us in trouble, IMHO. Good Rides
thanks
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Great time for Kegels. Helps with leaky bladders.
Haha. Truth! Your entire riding posture should be supported by your legs and thighs, the hands are just for steering and controls.
You don't even have to stick your inner knee out when you turn, that's just for racers to gage angle when they knee scrape
awesome ...will practice that form course yup ...wrist hurt n arm pumps ... ty
Also in an event of crashing into something there's a higher chance of your wrists/ arms being broken due to them being so stiff and straight. Sausage hands all the way! Good video.
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