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You're not wrong 😅 though personally I think it makes perfect structural sense for her to hit rock bottom right now... I hope that's not how it ends, though this show has mostly been a tragedy
@@ryanwill32 My prediction - Vi will die - Jinx and Caitlyn will blame each other for Vi’s death - Only one of them will have a redemption arc while another goes to the deep end. My bet is on Jinx redeeming herself
Vi is very much a character that makes you ask "but who protects the protector?" Even the strongest of shields need to be maintained, and not since Vander has someone been there for Vi to lean on. Caitlyn provided a sense of comfort for Vi, absolved her of guilt and responsibility that even Vander had placed on her (Vi being a parentified child), but there was something of an equal partnership until now. Now Cait expects Vi to give herself to the cause, to be an enforcer, to hunt Jinx or else Vi is just another one of those 'animals'. I think Isha is going to give Jinx a chance to realize what was going through Vi's head during their childhood, looking after a younger and helpless kid, especially as to why Vi wouldn't have wanted Jinx on the rescue mission. I fully believe that Jinx saying she wants to get rid of what's left of her family, she was including herself, but now that family might just be growing again Cait I believe will have to figure out she's being used by Ambessa, see the harm coming to a city she promised to heal. Both of them will have to confront or acknowledge a Vi at rock bottom. To see what their actions/expectations have done, that they can't keep accusing Vi as a cause of their misfortunes.
I hope so! Jinx is so stuck in her own worldview and using it to justify hating vi and I really hope she can start having some empathy for Vi, because Vi did so much for her, so much to try and get her back. It gives us some hope for reconciliation
@@kdoyle9825 But since they made Jinx and Cait like a mirror image to each other, I think Jinx and Cait will have an opposite direction towards Vi as the plot goes forward because if not, then it’s just same character twice.
I think what people forget because she takes on this tough protector persona, is how much Trauma poor VI has been through! This is a young woman who as a child saw her parents die before her eyes, then at 17 watched her new father figure and idol get brutally killed (caused by her sister), then gets innocently thrown into a maximum security prison and has to survive there for 5 years on her own. And she does that by always being on guard, always ready to fight. This also shows WHY Caitlyn is so important to her. Caitlyn is much more than a young romance crush. She`s the first and only person in ages VI can be vulnerable with. Can let her shields down around. It`s why the guilt is so heavy and Caitlyn leaving her behind at the end of act 1 will almost certainly send VI into a downwards spiral. For the tough avoidant protector having a place to let her shields down and BE vulnerable is so important. I fear VI may revert to ´always on edge ready to fight´ prison mode again now that allows her to function and survive on her own but is not healthy for her at all 😔 Poor VI 🥲
Jinx most of the time has/had some who cares for her, Vi and Vander, then silco, now isha and maybe sevika, on the other hand after Vander she had no one really, Caitlyn gave her some hope but she lost her as well. After watching episode 3 and knowing where she is gonna end up in Act 2, I just wanna give her a hug and wanna tell her 'it's not your fault'
THANK YOU!! Jinx stans keep acting as tho she was alone this whole time, no matter what, she's ALWAYS had someone. Vi was immediately thrown in prison as a child right after losing her family (again) and then briefly had Caitlyn for like a month and was immediately alone again??? The show and fans keep glossing over her trauma in favor of Jinx and it's so frustrating!!
@@africanodyssey4805 And after all those things she is still the most morally responsible character (till Act II), she don't wanna hurt anybody and hurting herself and still is not good enough. Though she have some ego issue as she grew up as a leader among the friends that can be justified that she really did not get the chance to change personality while stuck behind the bars for years. Now all of a sudden everyone is expecting from her to accept the change over night? They better not kill Vi in Act III or Riot is gonna pay for my therapy.
Vi is NEVER given a break in Arcane its so sad when you really think hard on it. All of the other characters after act 1 of s1 have (at least) moments of happiness...even Jinx does with Silco. Vi though (since the death of Vander and her imprisonment on the same day) has had ZERO happiness in her life. By act 2 that's been years. Sure when she comes back to the undercity, her reunion with "Powder", and her moment with Caitlyn in Cait's room might have made her happy for a minute....all of those moments were cut extremely short! Besides that all of Vi's humorous moments and one liners are clearly her way of masking the pain of missing her family. Vi is even misunderstood by a ton of Arcane fans. She's a tragedy on the show and outside of it. Poor Vi. She isn't perfect but she tries really really hard without ever being given any breaks.
People really need to realize she was locked up in prison essentially in solitary confinement for 8 years. I know a person who went through prison for 2 years. From what they told me everyone who's in there for a long time has a hard time re-adjusting to coming out as the world changes and moves on when their essentially "on ice". A reaction of not wanting anything to change to just slide back into how things were is the most common reaction and is apparently extremely hard to overcome.
I hate how some of the watchers of Arcane downplay what Vi went through but instead they pin pointed how much she cried or didn't do anything and just overall blame her for everything
I hope this is a season of Vi and Jinx learning to empathize with each other. Their conflict in season 1 is their inability to understand each other, and this season could change that. Vi learning to understand Jinx, from the position of being abandoned and starting to reconcile how powder became jinx. Vi needs to be on her own and be someone on her own, without having to protect someone else or rely on them as her identity. Jinx learning to understand Vi through being a mentor for Isha. Jinx realizing how difficult it is and what that kind of responsibility is really like. Jinx has never had to be responsible for anyone but herself, and now she has to learn that her actions do have consequences on others.
Vi's 'contradictory' line, "I'm done blaming myself for your mistakes... etc." That is the essence of human nature. That is accountability. The guilt has to transform into something productive. I personally thought her line delivery was well nuanced. Like she half believes it herself. Because she's holding herself accountable for her part in it, but she also has to cast aside the excessive guilt over the things she couldn't have controlled.
Exactly. Guilt something you can use to help yourself correct a mistake and make a positive change. But guilt that serves no purpose (like blaming yourself for someone elses actions) should always be released. It's just the healthy thing to do. Vi blaming herself for things out of her control and believing she's responsible for her sisters decisions, isn't helping anyone. Not herself. Not her home. Not even her sister. If Jinx wants to believe Vi is the one who "created" her, then fine. That's her problem. That's her choice. But it doesn't make it true. I was genuinely so glad to hear Vi realize that, even if part of her still struggles with it.
This is so accurate. And as an older sibling (especially if you were in a position where you ever had to protect the younger ones) you tend to blame yourself for all of their transgressions, big or small. You wonder if you could've done better, or if they would've been better off without you. It's so contradicting and so difficult to learn how to move on and accept that while maybe you played some part in their wrongdoings, at the end of the day they are their own people and only they can decide on who to be.
Neither vi nor jinx really want to kill each other. When they’re fighting, sure it’s a lot easier to pretend that they do, it’s a lot easier to kill someone when you’re in the adrenaline rush of a fight with everything happening so fast. And they justify it to themselves too: Vi wants to protect the memory of powder rather than reconcile powder and jinx together as her sister and she feels like she has to kill jinx because of the guilt of so many people(including Caitlyn’s mom) dying because of jinx and a possible war looming; Jinx justifies this to herself too, she convinced herself that Vi is now “one of them” and therefore an enemy. But if it really came down to it, I don’t think jinx could kill Vi either, and I think she realizes it when Vi stops Caitlyn from shooting
I would've put more emphasis on what Jinx says while Vi is on top of her about to attack. I think that's the reason she hesitated, or at least what shocked her into doubting her confidence that Powder was gone for good.
@@mylittlethoughttree she was also probably trying to stay on good terms with cait so she tried to convince herself into believing what cait believes about jinx.
@@nont18411 no she didn't manipulate Vi, she wanted to die, and was glad that vi was trying to kill her. Jinx wanted to finish off the rest of her family, which includes Jinx herself, her plan was to die and take Vi, Zaun and piltover with her. But Isha protected her and put a spanner in her plans much like finding the sisters did for Vander and finding and bringing up jinx did for Silco. "Is there anything so undoing as a daughter?"
Vi has always been about protecting her family first and foremost whether that meant fighting or sacrificing herself. I think we're now seeing her deal with failing to accomplish that leaving her with no one left to protect and even questioning what family even is. Basically doubt is being cast on everything she ever stood for. Can she really protect anyone? Does she even have a family?
Watch their fight scene you can see her face. She was incredible pain. I want to see this end with vi n jinx accepting one another and running off together
3:54 Vi tells Caitlyn that she believed her sister was dead. It's not until Caitlyn shows her the graffiti that she believes that Powder is alive. The thing keeping her going in prison is her revenge against Silco.
No that not true, in the dinner scene Vi says that what kept her going all those years in prison was the thought of going back to jinx. she was probably just surprised to actually see anything remotely related to her sister.
@@boredperson5007 I forgot about that. I think she was hoping that her sister was alive, but she feared she might've been dead. Either you're right, or Vi's lying to somebody.
I half agree, half disagree. Vi has suffered loss after loss, but still fights to protect rather than just achieve vengeance. Caitlyn suffers one loss and is suddenly willing to put others in danger and expects Vi to do the same. (Or at least not object to her plans) I think this is because Cait secretly still thinks her and topside have the moral high ground. She’d never admit it, but she does seem to have no problem with sacrificing the people of the undercity to reach her goal. (Like the guy she threatens right after saving him from The Grey, and Isha.) Is she irredeemable? No. Is she acting very hypocritically? Yes. Fans have every right to be frustrated with her.
@@RockCandy718 It's not only her mothers passing by Jinx that makes her go mad, but the passing of the other council members and the obvious threat and destruction Jinx has caused. Like when she killed the other Enforcers then stealing the Hex Gem, Cait was already searching for Jinx at that moment. Cait doesn't want Jinx to cause other destruction. (which she obviously wouldn't take the chances to not stop her, especially after the ending of s1 ep9)
@RockCandy718 Caitlyn starts as an idealistic Enforcer coming from a place of highest privilege. We see that all throughout S1, even with Grayson warning her during the shooting competition flashback. Then in the span of like 2 days, things go to shit in the worst way possible, she is angry and bears an immense amount of guilt for not having killed Jinx when she had her right there. This is the whole point of her arc: someone with EVERYTHING suddenly getting the rug brutally pulled under her feet. Compared to the life in the Lanes Vi and Jinx had, it doesn't seem like a lot. But from Caitlyn's perspective? She tried to give Zaunites (through Vi) the benefice of the doubt. Even after her mother got killed, she still tried to to that by having Vi join the Enforcers. But when Vi gets in her way while she has Jinx in view, AGAIN? Yeah no she snaps. Ofc she snaps She literally says it in S2 Ep1: she is ANGRY and feels GUILTY. This is what fuels her radicalisation (and makes her a prime target for Ambessa's manipulation).
@@teamili7957 That makes sense. I just wish that we got to actually see Caitlyn being close with the other enforcers or council members. Caitlyn literally gets made fun of by her team of enforcers (s1 ep 4) and Jayce is the only council member she connects with other than her mom.
We dont see Vi process her grief at all. It's only been 2 weeks since she is out of jail and a couple days since she came to the realization that Powder is gone, and they are not showing us how she is grieving her sister or how terrible she feels about it. Even if what they were trying to convey was her numbness, there would have been actual ways to show it and to show how her emotions are repressed. They barely did it! She even joked about "creating the monster". Wtf. It was very disappointing to me and it made me feel quite disconnected from act 1.
I think perhaps you're interpreting the time in the show in a very literal sense, and while I don't mean to tell you how to feel about it I also recognize that it's something I've done myself with other shows and it was kind of like me stopping myself from enjoying a thing because of fuddyduddyness. A lot of Arcane's 'time' is a bit wibbly wobbly because they're telling a story in real time as well as a larger meta narrative that has already existed in the games, so you're seeing events that don't quite fit in real time but 'happened' because that's how the lore says it goes, etc. I think a good way to look at it is that sometimes we're seeing shorthand; they don't have the money and time to go into every detail and show us every emotional scene, they only have enough animation budget to show us some of it and give us this huge story in a condensed and understandable format, and in order to do that we need to give them a little grace and not be so picky about the shorthand moments - otherwise you're kinda just passing over a piece of otherwise great art that is really enjoyable over something that's kind of a problem that came about due to how the whole story was made (by many people over a long span of time). It's not like we're seeing one singular creator's vision and they were able to make everything fit just right, it's basically an ongoing group project lol. Of course some things don't quite line up.
@@awhitney3063I def agree with all your points, although I would have also really enjoyed even a tiny moment that would confirm or point to where Vi is right now with her emotions. Is she numb? In denial? Is she torn? Is she sad? I would have liked a tiny bit more direction even though you could argue it's already there. This doesn't really take away from the experience at all for me, partly also because I know we will see more of Vi and where she is emotionally
@@awhitney3063 her grief is hardly a detail though. It's central to the plot and the sister's relationship was the pillar of s1. We also left Vi in s1 at the exact moment she couldnt ignore that Powder was dead so it feels like something is missing if this is not addressed..
@@Deeegenerate "Is she numb? In denial? Is she torn? Is she sad? I would have liked a tiny bit more direction " exactly. I read a lot of people's opinions online about what she is going through and many people are confused, not because of some kind of moral ambiguity left to interpretation, but because it just wasnt clear in what it was trying to convey. Same goes with what jinx's plan was, but maybe we will know in act 2? And same goes with why jinx wants to kill Vi now. She didnt in ep9.
I think Jinx was the one that started framing herself in black and white. Vi addresses her as Powder, yes, but because that's always been her sister's name. "It's Jinx now. Powder fell down a well." Vi then follows that black and white framing because Jinx laid it out that way. Then Ekko reenforces it with his own experience. At the tea party, I think Vi was scared of choosing the Powder or Jinx seat because she was realizing she couldn't trust her sister, no matter what her identity anymore.
I loved that in season 2 we kind of see Jinx enter the "savior" role instead of Vi, at least in some ways. Vi's whole reason for living since childhood has been to protect Powder, and that was the thing that kept her alive in prison, but then when faced with Jinx, and her inability to right away accept her sister in this way, she tries to convince herself that Powder is gone, and that her sister is dead. So she goes full in with Cait, and when she abandons Vi we get to see her at her lowest, for the first time in her life she has no one, and nothing to protect. And the person that saves her from this is Jinx, and in doing so Vi sees that her sister is very much still there.
18:17 What needs to happen is that she needs to talk to Ekko again. Not about Jinx but about Caitlyn. So Ekko can reveal whats been scrapped from season 1 to her (basically that he loved powder like Vi loved Caitlyn and that he tried to bring her back but nearly got killed by her instead). This would give Vi another anchor against Jinx revealing Powder so they can talk (in a perfect world where none can interrupt them like after one of her matches). So 2 things need to happen. Ekko needs to return and Sevika needs to be either captured or killed as she won’t let anybody come near Jinx. An alternative way would be that Jinx gets cured by Viktor letting her mind to calm down revealing Powder. Or what would be a badass move is to just leave their story unfinished because one of them dies. Like honestly Im totally blind and Im scared because of it lol.
It hurt...but they NEEDED to break up, because Cait and Vi need to find their selves and understand their own feeling first. Two broken and lost women trying to understand eachother dosen´t work
The thing is that the story doesn´t show anything from the Vi´s prison life.Even in flashbacks.It´s like she was somewhere else, in some sort of time capsule.It´s almost dreamy.
I think they missed so much of Vis potential by not expanding on her unique experience of being in prison for so long, what that does to a person and her psyche. I think if they had wanted to, delving into Vis mental state and how she perceives the world around her and her belonging to it would have made for a very compelling story. Not to mention Vis obvious weight of guilt shes been carrying that is rarely ever shed light on.
@@Iroquaisedo we know how old Vi is when Cait releases her from Stillwater? It’s hard to guess how old she is when they take her in and I hear different things about how long they kept her there.
@@hannahshmulsky7119 That takes me to another strange thing.How did Caithlin manage to free her so quickly? In one day,after two visits.That's actually a gap in the story.I don't care about the fact that she's in mixed prison,when woman can simply attack man in a dining room.
@@Iroquaise Political corruption. She faked an order from a member of piltover's council - Jayse. It's explicitly in there, when she puts the release order down because the guard on the desk says something about how he hadn't known Jayse Tallis was on the council, but once he realized Jayse *was* he wasn't going to risks pissing off someone that high up the food chain.
I have a strong feeling that not only Vi is the show’s punching bag, she will get fridged by the show as well to further Jinx’s and Caitlyn’s character development (both of them are literally using Vi as an excuse to commit homicide against each other right now. It would be fun if that excuse was gone and see how they will react).
VI’s story arc reads like trauma pr0n. It’s an absurd amount of adversity and misunderstanding to heap on one well-intentioned character who never turns evil. Seriously, with the level of dastardly garbage Arcane puts Vi through (and how little support she’s given in her entire life), she should be an evil shell. Instead she has a heart of gold and is 1-4 hugs away from becoming a golden retriever.
i dont think jinx always had her side full. cause she get them by changing personalities. and all people expected her to be the part of something but not what she wanted to be. this is crucial to know. and this trait wre coming from the past she shares with vi. vi has a dream, ans she is miserable and she blame powder sometimes for her mistakes and then forgive her. powder was addicted to vi in every aspect. and when vi changed her dream, powder saw herself like an empty cup. and first she blamed herself and then vi. she is valid but cant be all right for sure. but i think we should talk about more how vi is so alike a glue for the people she wants in a family and when she wanted that, she pays for price as a protector and then feels easily belong there and expect them to be as a member of the structure so she demands them to not change at all. this is a trauma response. she is like powder. they are pretty similar. just one exceptance. powder changes her personality for approval, vi changes her dreams for people she wanted to be a family with. and these dream changing was a betrayal to powder. and that personality changing was a betrayal to vi. cause they both paid for love with dreams and approval. jinx paid it with the dream she took possesion from vi. vi paid it with the stability she shows as approval. so when they see the receiver is changing, they feel betrayed.
2:18 I think you're wrong here. I don't think she's averse to war. She's still very much bloodthirsty. I don't think you can be imprisoned for as long as Vi has without wanting to punch someone's face in. But what has changed is her target. While her hatred has always been focused on Piltover, and still is to an extent, Silco becomes her primary target. She even tries to convince the Council to go down there and beat him up. And when that fails, she goes to Jayce to help her carry out her vengeance. She still wants war, but her target changes
War is different from fighting. Vi has no qualms against fighting, she’s grown up her whole life fighting. But war is different from some skirmishes here and there. She’s seen the devastating consequences of war and doesnt want innocent people caught in the crossfire.
@@sunsetskye483 Tell that to the kid Jayce killed. That factory attack was very much Vi's idea and she sure as hell didn't care that he died as long as she was one step closer to reaching Silco. At this point in time, peace really wasn't on Vi's mind.
Vi is very, very ready to fight. She will go in full force IF she believes it will bring an end and prevent further conflict. She wishes to involve as little people in the conflict as possible, and to strike very precisely at the causes of the problems (Silco, shimmer production), leaving everyone else outside of the crossfire. The above comment put it very eloquently, precise skirmish are very different from all out war
@@mylittlethoughttree "She will go in full force IF she believes it will bring an end and prevent further conflict" Yeah, but you can say that about anyone who starts a fight. At this point, "bringing an end to conflict" is a euphemism for killing the enemy. "She wishes to involve as little people in the conflict as possible" This kinda runs contrary to her mission with Jayce and the enforcers. They went down there with full force and killed a kid in the progress. I really don't think collateral mitigation was on Vi's mind during that moment. In fact, she plays it off. In that moment, all she cared about was getting to Silco.
Jinx and Powder are one and the same. Jinx a coping mechanism that is protecting Powder. Each time Vi says Jinx killed Powder, she is dismissing the work Powder has done to become Jinx. Which fuels Jinx to be more destructive. Vi needs to thank Jinx for protecting her sister and ask her to not be like the violence that killed the people they loved. Boom, done. Lmaoo
Not that I don’t appreciate the focus that jinks gets as an obviously mentally ill child/young adult. But i think vi’s mental heath struggles are really interesting. She is far more vocal about her feeling which i appreciate. Both for her as a character and because it breaks stereotypes. I feel like sometimes she gets treated a but too much like eye candy and the nuance of her personality get over looked. I mean it isn’t just vi. People think caitlin is more emotionally in tune with herself and others then she is shown to be. She talks a lot and gets really invested in projects but she doesn’t talk about herself, her opinions or her feelings. But it is a stereotype that the more feminine of a same sex couple needs to be the outwardly emotional one.
Yes! The important part peole keep forgetting is vi tried to go back to powder but got drugged and imprisoned for the whole time skip! She never abandoned powder. Not literally or intentionally anyway.
I love Vi, but the problem I have with her character is her dependency on other characters. She really doesn’t stand on her own as a character if you remove Jinx or Caitlyn. Case in point: you’ve talked about Jinx more than Vi in this.
I consider that to be the point honestly. The idealistic leader she used to be is gone, crushed by all the tragedy she’s gone through. What’s left is her role as a protector, a role she plays because she cares so deeply for the people around her but also because she doesn’t know what else to do now. We see moments of her on her own, in season 1 when she talks about zaun fighting back, when she uses hextech to start shutting down silco’s operations, when she gives herself up to stop a war on zaun. She has plenty of personality, but she’s surrounded by tragedy.
I don't know. Remove Vi and Jinx is entirely different. These characters are very interconnected I also see it as part of her character really. So focused on others she neglects herself.
It's funny that this splitting is a problem that everyone in the main cast, with the notable exception of absolute peace-chasing Mel and skeptic philosopher Viktor, has. I think Vi told Cait to take the shot because she knew she can't bring herself to kill off this twisted remnant of Powder, while Cait holds nothing but hatred towards Jinx and has never known Powder.
If you think Vi has adopted Vander's attitude of peace at any cost, you clearly forgot about the scene in season one where she teams up with Jayce to take down the shimmer factory. After urging the council to declare war on Silco, that they can't negotiate with him, she convinces Jayce to defy the council and develop Hex-tek weapons to attack Zaun. Even after Jayce is traumatized from killing a young boy, Vi is indifferent, dismissing the casualty with "he knew what he was doing." At this point Vi is entirely focused on defeating Silco because in her mind that's the key to getting Powder back. She doesn't care if all of Zaun suffers because of it. This parallels Caitlyn's arc in season 2. Caitlyn is so focused on getting revenge for her mother she doesn't even see the shifting political tides or consider the wider effect of her actions. The whole world can burn so long as she gets what she wants. In Caitlyn's case revenge, in Vi's case her little sister back. Arcane is such a brilliant show because it doesn't cleave to a simple good vs bad narrative. You can make an argument for and against every characters actions. Vi strikes me as a very narrow-minded person with a rather simplistic world view, which makes her wildly Ill equipped to navigate the positively byzantine moral and ethical dilemma her sister poses for her.
Very good point, shows how rushed I was making this 😅 though I'll still argue my general point. Her argument for declaring war on Silco is precisely because she believes he won't stop. That it'll only escalate if they delay and avoid. Charging in with a small team to directly strike at his shimmer production is a far cry from all out war against the lanes, also. She's never been afraid of conflict but the primary drive is to involve as few people as possible, strike only the most essential targets, and do all of it to prevent greater conflict.
I also interpreted S2 e3 as Vi being ripped between Cait and Jinx. as I see it, shes holding back, consciously or subconsciously. Watch her fight against Slicos shimmer goons or Warwick later on in the season and tell me shes not holding back. AS I see it, she still hopes Jinx would give up and so she can save her. Even the song Ashes and Blood hints at that. ruclips.net/video/Gj-jmBi0aK8/видео.htmlsi=sjYY4JLyOrYlEU3d&t=125 "everything will be forgiven if you lay down your weapons to the ground"
Vi has a tendency to blame Jinx for the results of VI's prior mistakes. Jinx has no problem with blaming herself for her mistakes and doesn't lay the root of her own mistakes upon her sister. Later Vi says she is done blaming herself for Jinx's mistakes, but the way she does so let's us know that she was blaming Jinx for Vi blaming herself for Jinx's mistakes. Sigh, Vi you are still right back where you started. Jinx just wants absolution for her past mistakes, and that absolution has to come from those she wronged, but most all of them didn't survive. She doesn't have this problem with Silco, due to the fact that as he was dying, he absolved her of the guilt and proclaimed her perfect, as in, he wouldn't change anything about her. He was satisfied with her even as she just dealt him a mortal blow. She misses Silco, and feels bad for killing him, but it isn't destroying her. He gave her the balm to heal from that wound. Season 2 ACT 2 spoilers below: Jinx even presents the gift of absolution to VI first, and is shocked when Vi, in return, invites her into that blessed realm of forgiveness.
14:23 I disagree here. I think Vi was very much going to kill Jinx here. Like you mentioned with splitting, that's not her sister. That's Jinx. Jinx is a monster. This monster needs to be dealt with. It's not until Isha jumps in and hugs Jinx that Vi's perception of the Jinx/Powder dichotomy is shattered. I think in that moment she realizes that Powder and Jinx are still the same person, just different and changed. I also think, conversely, Jinx sees her sister differently as well, after she sees Vi standing up to Caitlyn. In that moment, despite their differences, Vi and Jinx seemed to agree that the girl needed protecting
He does not argue that she wasn't going to kill her in that moment, but that she feels like she has to kill her. Wanting and feeling forced to kill someone is a big difference.
My point with splitting is also that she wants to believe that's not her sister. Believing so makes killing her (as she feels she has to now) so much easier. Then she gets to crunch moment and she looks at Jinx and...well she certainly hesitates. Is it her sister? Is Vi so sure that it isn't? It's a moment where she is forced to question her beliefs, her denial, her splitting...and then Isha gives it all a nudge. She may or may not have gone through with it. My guess is she'd have hesitated, and then Caitlyn would've taken the shot. In many ways that's kind of the point: Vi is forced into a moment where she has to really decide what she believes...but then either Isha or Cait would've made the final decision before Vi really got the chance
@@mylittlethoughttree " It's a moment where she is forced to question her beliefs, her denial, her splitting...and then Isha gives it all a nudge" I agree Vi questions those things. But I believe that happens *after* Isha pops up. Not before. Before, I think Vi was very much committed to killing Jinx because she murdered the little sister she knew and loved. It's not until Isha pops up that she sees a glimpse of the Powder she once knew, or at least that Jinx isn't the monster she perceives her to be. Vi hesitates beforehand because Jinx is talking and basically giving out her last words before Vi finishes the job.
What's up with Vi? As a wise man once said: SUFFERING BUILDS CHARACTER -> SUFFERING BUILDS CHARACTER -> SUFFERING BUILDS CHARACTER-> SUFFERING BUILDS CHARACTER -> The cycle
That's what you get for caring more about showing up in search results than the best possible quality. What stopped you from reviewing the whole season once it was done like Randomfilm talk did?
Okay from what I understand she’s the one who raided topsiders, causing Vander to get arrested, her sister makes a mistake and blows him up but to be honest they would of died anyway BECAUSE V originally sought out trouble. Her sister is obviously deeply traumatized and she responds by hitting a little kid and blaming her for the deaths completely even though Vi is also responsible. Jinx is suffering from mental illness and PSYCHOSIS after this, and Vi responds by ignoring it and feels that Jinx is “untrustworthy.” Like what Jinx is suffering from severe mental illness, and yes Vi refuses to love her or accept her for who she is now.
Vi's pretty inconsistent on child endangerment. She roasts Jayce for quitting the mission to get Silco over "one dead kid!?", but criticizes Cait for risking the same thing to catch Jinx. I also don't like her line about everyone else changing. Who besides Cait and Jinx is there? I've made peace with the rest of the dialogue I found clumsy but these are stinkers.
Maybe she was more so worried that Caitlyn who has always shown to care about people and their well-being, be pushed to shoot even if it meant killing a child in the process. It is unlike caitlyn to be so cruel which is the kicker. But theres probably also a part of Vi that isnt very determined to kill Jinx too. I agree that her character this season is definitely flawed and the writers (the remaining few that wasnt kicked out from season one.... anyway) should have prioritised Vi's identity just as much as say, Jinxs.
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Any character whenever they got into a trouble that they themselves caused: “Oh my god! How dare Vi do this to me?”
pFFFF you're so right- JUSTICE FOR VIII
THE WAY THIS IS SO REAL
Vi fr is everyones punching bag. Sevika got nothing on her.
Tbf Jinx always blamed herself but still had hope that despite how things had changed, how she had changed, that Vi could and would still love her.
Right??? Vi gets blamed for everything😭
"the psychology of vi" is just constant pain and suffering apparently...
You're not wrong 😅 though personally I think it makes perfect structural sense for her to hit rock bottom right now... I hope that's not how it ends, though this show has mostly been a tragedy
@mylittlethoughttree don't think it'll be an outright downer ending, but it'll probably be bittersweet with an emphasis on the bitter
@@ryanwill32 My prediction
- Vi will die
- Jinx and Caitlyn will blame each other for Vi’s death
- Only one of them will have a redemption arc while another goes to the deep end. My bet is on Jinx redeeming herself
"Suffering builds character" 💀
@@nont18411None of the main characters will die because they are champions in League of Legends, and that would mess up with the canon.
Vi is very much a character that makes you ask "but who protects the protector?" Even the strongest of shields need to be maintained, and not since Vander has someone been there for Vi to lean on. Caitlyn provided a sense of comfort for Vi, absolved her of guilt and responsibility that even Vander had placed on her (Vi being a parentified child), but there was something of an equal partnership until now. Now Cait expects Vi to give herself to the cause, to be an enforcer, to hunt Jinx or else Vi is just another one of those 'animals'.
I think Isha is going to give Jinx a chance to realize what was going through Vi's head during their childhood, looking after a younger and helpless kid, especially as to why Vi wouldn't have wanted Jinx on the rescue mission. I fully believe that Jinx saying she wants to get rid of what's left of her family, she was including herself, but now that family might just be growing again
Cait I believe will have to figure out she's being used by Ambessa, see the harm coming to a city she promised to heal.
Both of them will have to confront or acknowledge a Vi at rock bottom. To see what their actions/expectations have done, that they can't keep accusing Vi as a cause of their misfortunes.
I hope so! Jinx is so stuck in her own worldview and using it to justify hating vi and I really hope she can start having some empathy for Vi, because Vi did so much for her, so much to try and get her back. It gives us some hope for reconciliation
@@kdoyle9825 But since they made Jinx and Cait like a mirror image to each other, I think Jinx and Cait will have an opposite direction towards Vi as the plot goes forward because if not, then it’s just same character twice.
I think what people forget because she takes on this tough protector persona, is how much Trauma poor VI has been through! This is a young woman who as a child saw her parents die before her eyes, then at 17 watched her new father figure and idol get brutally killed (caused by her sister), then gets innocently thrown into a maximum security prison and has to survive there for 5 years on her own. And she does that by always being on guard, always ready to fight.
This also shows WHY Caitlyn is so important to her. Caitlyn is much more than a young romance crush. She`s the first and only person in ages VI can be vulnerable with. Can let her shields down around. It`s why the guilt is so heavy and Caitlyn leaving her behind at the end of act 1 will almost certainly send VI into a downwards spiral. For the tough avoidant protector having a place to let her shields down and BE vulnerable is so important. I fear VI may revert to ´always on edge ready to fight´ prison mode again now that allows her to function and survive on her own but is not healthy for her at all 😔 Poor VI 🥲
damn
Agreed! But I think Vi was 14/15 when Vander died
Perfect analisys! Well done
I completely agree with this.
comment aged like a fine wine. nice job!!!
My heart shattered for Vi. More than any other character in Arcane.
Jinx most of the time has/had some who cares for her, Vi and Vander, then silco, now isha and maybe sevika, on the other hand after Vander she had no one really, Caitlyn gave her some hope but she lost her as well. After watching episode 3 and knowing where she is gonna end up in Act 2, I just wanna give her a hug and wanna tell her 'it's not your fault'
THANK YOU!! Jinx stans keep acting as tho she was alone this whole time, no matter what, she's ALWAYS had someone. Vi was immediately thrown in prison as a child right after losing her family (again) and then briefly had Caitlyn for like a month and was immediately alone again??? The show and fans keep glossing over her trauma in favor of Jinx and it's so frustrating!!
@@africanodyssey4805 And after all those things she is still the most morally responsible character (till Act II), she don't wanna hurt anybody and hurting herself and still is not good enough. Though she have some ego issue as she grew up as a leader among the friends that can be justified that she really did not get the chance to change personality while stuck behind the bars for years. Now all of a sudden everyone is expecting from her to accept the change over night? They better not kill Vi in Act III or Riot is gonna pay for my therapy.
this last phrase, it's not your fault, reminded me of Good will hunting scene
Vi is NEVER given a break in Arcane its so sad when you really think hard on it.
All of the other characters after act 1 of s1 have (at least) moments of happiness...even Jinx does with Silco. Vi though (since the death of Vander and her imprisonment on the same day) has had ZERO happiness in her life. By act 2 that's been years.
Sure when she comes back to the undercity, her reunion with "Powder", and her moment with Caitlyn in Cait's room might have made her happy for a minute....all of those moments were cut extremely short! Besides that all of Vi's humorous moments and one liners are clearly her way of masking the pain of missing her family.
Vi is even misunderstood by a ton of Arcane fans.
She's a tragedy on the show and outside of it. Poor Vi.
She isn't perfect but she tries really really hard without ever being given any breaks.
Yes! I agree!
totally agree!
People really need to realize she was locked up in prison essentially in solitary confinement for 8 years. I know a person who went through prison for 2 years. From what they told me everyone who's in there for a long time has a hard time re-adjusting to coming out as the world changes and moves on when their essentially "on ice". A reaction of not wanting anything to change to just slide back into how things were is the most common reaction and is apparently extremely hard to overcome.
I hate how some of the watchers of Arcane downplay what Vi went through but instead they pin pointed how much she cried or didn't do anything and just overall blame her for everything
I hope this is a season of Vi and Jinx learning to empathize with each other. Their conflict in season 1 is their inability to understand each other, and this season could change that.
Vi learning to understand Jinx, from the position of being abandoned and starting to reconcile how powder became jinx. Vi needs to be on her own and be someone on her own, without having to protect someone else or rely on them as her identity.
Jinx learning to understand Vi through being a mentor for Isha. Jinx realizing how difficult it is and what that kind of responsibility is really like. Jinx has never had to be responsible for anyone but herself, and now she has to learn that her actions do have consequences on others.
Vi's 'contradictory' line, "I'm done blaming myself for your mistakes... etc." That is the essence of human nature. That is accountability. The guilt has to transform into something productive. I personally thought her line delivery was well nuanced. Like she half believes it herself. Because she's holding herself accountable for her part in it, but she also has to cast aside the excessive guilt over the things she couldn't have controlled.
@@sakurap95 Vigatron: “I’m done saving you.”
Exactly. Guilt something you can use to help yourself correct a mistake and make a positive change. But guilt that serves no purpose (like blaming yourself for someone elses actions) should always be released. It's just the healthy thing to do.
Vi blaming herself for things out of her control and believing she's responsible for her sisters decisions, isn't helping anyone. Not herself. Not her home. Not even her sister.
If Jinx wants to believe Vi is the one who "created" her, then fine. That's her problem. That's her choice. But it doesn't make it true. I was genuinely so glad to hear Vi realize that, even if part of her still struggles with it.
This is so accurate. And as an older sibling (especially if you were in a position where you ever had to protect the younger ones) you tend to blame yourself for all of their transgressions, big or small. You wonder if you could've done better, or if they would've been better off without you. It's so contradicting and so difficult to learn how to move on and accept that while maybe you played some part in their wrongdoings, at the end of the day they are their own people and only they can decide on who to be.
Neither vi nor jinx really want to kill each other. When they’re fighting, sure it’s a lot easier to pretend that they do, it’s a lot easier to kill someone when you’re in the adrenaline rush of a fight with everything happening so fast.
And they justify it to themselves too: Vi wants to protect the memory of powder rather than reconcile powder and jinx together as her sister and she feels like she has to kill jinx because of the guilt of so many people(including Caitlyn’s mom) dying because of jinx and a possible war looming; Jinx justifies this to herself too, she convinced herself that Vi is now “one of them” and therefore an enemy. But if it really came down to it, I don’t think jinx could kill Vi either, and I think she realizes it when Vi stops Caitlyn from shooting
I would've put more emphasis on what Jinx says while Vi is on top of her about to attack. I think that's the reason she hesitated, or at least what shocked her into doubting her confidence that Powder was gone for good.
Good point, though personally I don't think she was ever confident powder was gone. I think she was just trying to convince herself that was the case
@@mylittlethoughttree she was also probably trying to stay on good terms with cait so she tried to convince herself into believing what cait believes about jinx.
Was that genuine from Jinx though? I feel like Jinx used that to emotionally manipulate Vi to not kill her.
@@nont18411 Seriously, dude? Jinx and manipulation? You're giving Jinx too many villain roles.
@@nont18411 no she didn't manipulate Vi, she wanted to die, and was glad that vi was trying to kill her.
Jinx wanted to finish off the rest of her family, which includes Jinx herself, her plan was to die and take Vi, Zaun and piltover with her. But Isha protected her and put a spanner in her plans much like finding the sisters did for Vander and finding and bringing up jinx did for Silco.
"Is there anything so undoing as a daughter?"
Vi has always been about protecting her family first and foremost whether that meant fighting or sacrificing herself. I think we're now seeing her deal with failing to accomplish that leaving her with no one left to protect and even questioning what family even is. Basically doubt is being cast on everything she ever stood for. Can she really protect anyone? Does she even have a family?
Watch their fight scene you can see her face. She was incredible pain. I want to see this end with vi n jinx accepting one another and running off together
Oh wow, thanks so much for the support!!
conclusion: vi needs a hug-
3:54 Vi tells Caitlyn that she believed her sister was dead. It's not until Caitlyn shows her the graffiti that she believes that Powder is alive. The thing keeping her going in prison is her revenge against Silco.
No that not true, in the dinner scene Vi says that what kept her going all those years in prison was the thought of going back to jinx. she was probably just surprised to actually see anything remotely related to her sister.
@@boredperson5007 I forgot about that.
I think she was hoping that her sister was alive, but she feared she might've been dead.
Either you're right, or Vi's lying to somebody.
Enjoy this! Please do a vid on Caitlyn cause the cait hate is ridiculous now!
I half agree, half disagree. Vi has suffered loss after loss, but still fights to protect rather than just achieve vengeance. Caitlyn suffers one loss and is suddenly willing to put others in danger and expects Vi to do the same. (Or at least not object to her plans) I think this is because Cait secretly still thinks her and topside have the moral high ground. She’d never admit it, but she does seem to have no problem with sacrificing the people of the undercity to reach her goal. (Like the guy she threatens right after saving him from The Grey, and Isha.) Is she irredeemable? No. Is she acting very hypocritically? Yes. Fans have every right to be frustrated with her.
@@RockCandy718 I totally disagree with you. Like you saw s1 right?
@@RockCandy718
It's not only her mothers passing by Jinx that makes her go mad, but the passing of the other council members and the obvious threat and destruction Jinx has caused. Like when she killed the other Enforcers then stealing the Hex Gem, Cait was already searching for Jinx at that moment. Cait doesn't want Jinx to cause other destruction. (which she obviously wouldn't take the chances to not stop her, especially after the ending of s1 ep9)
@RockCandy718 Caitlyn starts as an idealistic Enforcer coming from a place of highest privilege. We see that all throughout S1, even with Grayson warning her during the shooting competition flashback. Then in the span of like 2 days, things go to shit in the worst way possible, she is angry and bears an immense amount of guilt for not having killed Jinx when she had her right there.
This is the whole point of her arc: someone with EVERYTHING suddenly getting the rug brutally pulled under her feet. Compared to the life in the Lanes Vi and Jinx had, it doesn't seem like a lot. But from Caitlyn's perspective? She tried to give Zaunites (through Vi) the benefice of the doubt. Even after her mother got killed, she still tried to to that by having Vi join the Enforcers. But when Vi gets in her way while she has Jinx in view, AGAIN? Yeah no she snaps. Ofc she snaps
She literally says it in S2 Ep1: she is ANGRY and feels GUILTY. This is what fuels her radicalisation (and makes her a prime target for Ambessa's manipulation).
@@teamili7957 That makes sense. I just wish that we got to actually see Caitlyn being close with the other enforcers or council members. Caitlyn literally gets made fun of by her team of enforcers (s1 ep 4) and Jayce is the only council member she connects with other than her mom.
We dont see Vi process her grief at all. It's only been 2 weeks since she is out of jail and a couple days since she came to the realization that Powder is gone, and they are not showing us how she is grieving her sister or how terrible she feels about it. Even if what they were trying to convey was her numbness, there would have been actual ways to show it and to show how her emotions are repressed. They barely did it! She even joked about "creating the monster". Wtf. It was very disappointing to me and it made me feel quite disconnected from act 1.
I think perhaps you're interpreting the time in the show in a very literal sense, and while I don't mean to tell you how to feel about it I also recognize that it's something I've done myself with other shows and it was kind of like me stopping myself from enjoying a thing because of fuddyduddyness. A lot of Arcane's 'time' is a bit wibbly wobbly because they're telling a story in real time as well as a larger meta narrative that has already existed in the games, so you're seeing events that don't quite fit in real time but 'happened' because that's how the lore says it goes, etc. I think a good way to look at it is that sometimes we're seeing shorthand; they don't have the money and time to go into every detail and show us every emotional scene, they only have enough animation budget to show us some of it and give us this huge story in a condensed and understandable format, and in order to do that we need to give them a little grace and not be so picky about the shorthand moments - otherwise you're kinda just passing over a piece of otherwise great art that is really enjoyable over something that's kind of a problem that came about due to how the whole story was made (by many people over a long span of time). It's not like we're seeing one singular creator's vision and they were able to make everything fit just right, it's basically an ongoing group project lol. Of course some things don't quite line up.
@@awhitney3063I def agree with all your points, although I would have also really enjoyed even a tiny moment that would confirm or point to where Vi is right now with her emotions. Is she numb? In denial? Is she torn? Is she sad? I would have liked a tiny bit more direction even though you could argue it's already there. This doesn't really take away from the experience at all for me, partly also because I know we will see more of Vi and where she is emotionally
@Deeegenerate hey i think we gonna see in act 2 for sure for how vi's feel
@@awhitney3063 her grief is hardly a detail though. It's central to the plot and the sister's relationship was the pillar of s1. We also left Vi in s1 at the exact moment she couldnt ignore that Powder was dead so it feels like something is missing if this is not addressed..
@@Deeegenerate "Is she numb? In denial? Is she torn? Is she sad? I would have liked a tiny bit more direction " exactly. I read a lot of people's opinions online about what she is going through and many people are confused, not because of some kind of moral ambiguity left to interpretation, but because it just wasnt clear in what it was trying to convey. Same goes with what jinx's plan was, but maybe we will know in act 2? And same goes with why jinx wants to kill Vi now. She didnt in ep9.
"killing the living, to preserve the Dead, that you haven't let go of yet.." damn...
I think Jinx was the one that started framing herself in black and white. Vi addresses her as Powder, yes, but because that's always been her sister's name. "It's Jinx now. Powder fell down a well." Vi then follows that black and white framing because Jinx laid it out that way. Then Ekko reenforces it with his own experience.
At the tea party, I think Vi was scared of choosing the Powder or Jinx seat because she was realizing she couldn't trust her sister, no matter what her identity anymore.
the ad intro got me screaming
"things get a bit controdictary here, as all the deepest human emotions are"
...I can't improve or add to that ;)
I loved that in season 2 we kind of see Jinx enter the "savior" role instead of Vi, at least in some ways. Vi's whole reason for living since childhood has been to protect Powder, and that was the thing that kept her alive in prison, but then when faced with Jinx, and her inability to right away accept her sister in this way, she tries to convince herself that Powder is gone, and that her sister is dead. So she goes full in with Cait, and when she abandons Vi we get to see her at her lowest, for the first time in her life she has no one, and nothing to protect. And the person that saves her from this is Jinx, and in doing so Vi sees that her sister is very much still there.
18:17 What needs to happen is that she needs to talk to Ekko again. Not about Jinx but about Caitlyn.
So Ekko can reveal whats been scrapped from season 1 to her (basically that he loved powder like Vi loved Caitlyn and that he tried to bring her back but nearly got killed by her instead).
This would give Vi another anchor against Jinx revealing Powder so they can talk (in a perfect world where none can interrupt them like after one of her matches).
So 2 things need to happen.
Ekko needs to return and Sevika needs to be either captured or killed as she won’t let anybody come near Jinx.
An alternative way would be that Jinx gets cured by Viktor letting her mind to calm down revealing Powder.
Or what would be a badass move is to just leave their story unfinished because one of them dies.
Like honestly Im totally blind and Im scared because of it lol.
Great video!
Will there be a psychology of Caitlyn video. I imagine there's LOTS to talk about with her. Loving her arc so far.
can't wait till we get those really big character videos :D
Vi IS a really big character. I would argue one of the most important characters.
It hurt...but they NEEDED to break up, because Cait and Vi need to find their selves and understand their own feeling first. Two broken and lost women trying to understand eachother dosen´t work
They can't love anyone romantically before they learn to love themselves.
if their love survives all the difficulties then it is true love.
The thing is that the story doesn´t show anything from the Vi´s prison life.Even in flashbacks.It´s like she was somewhere else, in some sort of time capsule.It´s almost dreamy.
I think they missed so much of Vis potential by not expanding on her unique experience of being in prison for so long, what that does to a person and her psyche. I think if they had wanted to, delving into Vis mental state and how she perceives the world around her and her belonging to it would have made for a very compelling story. Not to mention Vis obvious weight of guilt shes been carrying that is rarely ever shed light on.
@@nuxjoe Especially when she´s a homosexually oriented teenager.
@@Iroquaisedo we know how old Vi is when Cait releases her from Stillwater? It’s hard to guess how old she is when they take her in and I hear different things about how long they kept her there.
@@hannahshmulsky7119 That takes me to another strange thing.How did Caithlin manage to free her so quickly? In one day,after two visits.That's actually a gap in the story.I don't care about the fact that she's in mixed prison,when woman can simply attack man in a dining room.
@@Iroquaise Political corruption. She faked an order from a member of piltover's council - Jayse. It's explicitly in there, when she puts the release order down because the guard on the desk says something about how he hadn't known Jayse Tallis was on the council, but once he realized Jayse *was* he wasn't going to risks pissing off someone that high up the food chain.
I have a strong feeling that not only Vi is the show’s punching bag, she will get fridged by the show as well to further Jinx’s and Caitlyn’s character development (both of them are literally using Vi as an excuse to commit homicide against each other right now. It would be fun if that excuse was gone and see how they will react).
“Genocide against one another.” That’s not what genocide is; that’s homicide.
VI’s story arc reads like trauma pr0n. It’s an absurd amount of adversity and misunderstanding to heap on one well-intentioned character who never turns evil. Seriously, with the level of dastardly garbage Arcane puts Vi through (and how little support she’s given in her entire life), she should be an evil shell. Instead she has a heart of gold and is 1-4 hugs away from becoming a golden retriever.
i dont think jinx always had her side full. cause she get them by changing personalities. and all people expected her to be the part of something but not what she wanted to be. this is crucial to know. and this trait wre coming from the past she shares with vi. vi has a dream, ans she is miserable and she blame powder sometimes for her mistakes and then forgive her. powder was addicted to vi in every aspect. and when vi changed her dream, powder saw herself like an empty cup. and first she blamed herself and then vi. she is valid but cant be all right for sure. but i think we should talk about more how vi is so alike a glue for the people she wants in a family and when she wanted that, she pays for price as a protector and then feels easily belong there and expect them to be as a member of the structure so she demands them to not change at all. this is a trauma response. she is like powder. they are pretty similar. just one exceptance. powder changes her personality for approval, vi changes her dreams for people she wanted to be a family with. and these dream changing was a betrayal to powder. and that personality changing was a betrayal to vi. cause they both paid for love with dreams and approval. jinx paid it with the dream she took possesion from vi. vi paid it with the stability she shows as approval. so when they see the receiver is changing, they feel betrayed.
Thanks as always 😊
I rather see Vi with Jinx together than with Caitlyn.. her sister bond... is unique and they belong to eachother.
2:18 I think you're wrong here. I don't think she's averse to war. She's still very much bloodthirsty. I don't think you can be imprisoned for as long as Vi has without wanting to punch someone's face in. But what has changed is her target. While her hatred has always been focused on Piltover, and still is to an extent, Silco becomes her primary target. She even tries to convince the Council to go down there and beat him up. And when that fails, she goes to Jayce to help her carry out her vengeance. She still wants war, but her target changes
War is different from fighting. Vi has no qualms against fighting, she’s grown up her whole life fighting. But war is different from some skirmishes here and there. She’s seen the devastating consequences of war and doesnt want innocent people caught in the crossfire.
@@sunsetskye483 Tell that to the kid Jayce killed. That factory attack was very much Vi's idea and she sure as hell didn't care that he died as long as she was one step closer to reaching Silco. At this point in time, peace really wasn't on Vi's mind.
Vi is very, very ready to fight. She will go in full force IF she believes it will bring an end and prevent further conflict. She wishes to involve as little people in the conflict as possible, and to strike very precisely at the causes of the problems (Silco, shimmer production), leaving everyone else outside of the crossfire. The above comment put it very eloquently, precise skirmish are very different from all out war
@@mylittlethoughttree "She will go in full force IF she believes it will bring an end and prevent further conflict"
Yeah, but you can say that about anyone who starts a fight. At this point, "bringing an end to conflict" is a euphemism for killing the enemy.
"She wishes to involve as little people in the conflict as possible"
This kinda runs contrary to her mission with Jayce and the enforcers. They went down there with full force and killed a kid in the progress. I really don't think collateral mitigation was on Vi's mind during that moment. In fact, she plays it off. In that moment, all she cared about was getting to Silco.
Jinx and Powder are one and the same. Jinx a coping mechanism that is protecting Powder. Each time Vi says Jinx killed Powder, she is dismissing the work Powder has done to become Jinx. Which fuels Jinx to be more destructive. Vi needs to thank Jinx for protecting her sister and ask her to not be like the violence that killed the people they loved. Boom, done. Lmaoo
I really love your videos and your vibes man
Not that I don’t appreciate the focus that jinks gets as an obviously mentally ill child/young adult.
But i think vi’s mental heath struggles are really interesting. She is far more vocal about her feeling which i appreciate. Both for her as a character and because it breaks stereotypes.
I feel like sometimes she gets treated a but too much like eye candy and the nuance of her personality get over looked.
I mean it isn’t just vi. People think caitlin is more emotionally in tune with herself and others then she is shown to be. She talks a lot and gets really invested in projects but she doesn’t talk about herself, her opinions or her feelings. But it is a stereotype that the more feminine of a same sex couple needs to be the outwardly emotional one.
Yes! The important part peole keep forgetting is vi tried to go back to powder but got drugged and imprisoned for the whole time skip! She never abandoned powder. Not literally or intentionally anyway.
I love Vi, but the problem I have with her character is her dependency on other characters. She really doesn’t stand on her own as a character if you remove Jinx or Caitlyn.
Case in point: you’ve talked about Jinx more than Vi in this.
I consider that to be the point honestly. The idealistic leader she used to be is gone, crushed by all the tragedy she’s gone through. What’s left is her role as a protector, a role she plays because she cares so deeply for the people around her but also because she doesn’t know what else to do now. We see moments of her on her own, in season 1 when she talks about zaun fighting back, when she uses hextech to start shutting down silco’s operations, when she gives herself up to stop a war on zaun. She has plenty of personality, but she’s surrounded by tragedy.
Remove Vi and you won't be able to talk about Jinx or Cait at all.
I don't know. Remove Vi and Jinx is entirely different. These characters are very interconnected I also see it as part of her character really. So focused on others she neglects herself.
I actually love the bit that world anvil is a "Got em!" Every time xD
And now enter black haired Vi!
It's funny that this splitting is a problem that everyone in the main cast, with the notable exception of absolute peace-chasing Mel and skeptic philosopher Viktor, has.
I think Vi told Cait to take the shot because she knew she can't bring herself to kill off this twisted remnant of Powder, while Cait holds nothing but hatred towards Jinx and has never known Powder.
If you think Vi has adopted Vander's attitude of peace at any cost, you clearly forgot about the scene in season one where she teams up with Jayce to take down the shimmer factory. After urging the council to declare war on Silco, that they can't negotiate with him, she convinces Jayce to defy the council and develop Hex-tek weapons to attack Zaun. Even after Jayce is traumatized from killing a young boy, Vi is indifferent, dismissing the casualty with "he knew what he was doing."
At this point Vi is entirely focused on defeating Silco because in her mind that's the key to getting Powder back. She doesn't care if all of Zaun suffers because of it. This parallels Caitlyn's arc in season 2. Caitlyn is so focused on getting revenge for her mother she doesn't even see the shifting political tides or consider the wider effect of her actions. The whole world can burn so long as she gets what she wants. In Caitlyn's case revenge, in Vi's case her little sister back.
Arcane is such a brilliant show because it doesn't cleave to a simple good vs bad narrative. You can make an argument for and against every characters actions. Vi strikes me as a very narrow-minded person with a rather simplistic world view, which makes her wildly Ill equipped to navigate the positively byzantine moral and ethical dilemma her sister poses for her.
this
I love how gray they are
Very good point, shows how rushed I was making this 😅 though I'll still argue my general point. Her argument for declaring war on Silco is precisely because she believes he won't stop. That it'll only escalate if they delay and avoid. Charging in with a small team to directly strike at his shimmer production is a far cry from all out war against the lanes, also. She's never been afraid of conflict but the primary drive is to involve as few people as possible, strike only the most essential targets, and do all of it to prevent greater conflict.
5:30 just like Vander..🎉😊😊
非常棒的视频，期待很快能看到第二幕的分析
I also interpreted S2 e3 as Vi being ripped between Cait and Jinx. as I see it, shes holding back, consciously or subconsciously. Watch her fight against Slicos shimmer goons or Warwick later on in the season and tell me shes not holding back. AS I see it, she still hopes Jinx would give up and so she can save her. Even the song Ashes and Blood hints at that. ruclips.net/video/Gj-jmBi0aK8/видео.htmlsi=sjYY4JLyOrYlEU3d&t=125 "everything will be forgiven if you lay down your weapons to the ground"
Vi has a tendency to blame Jinx for the results of VI's prior mistakes. Jinx has no problem with blaming herself for her mistakes and doesn't lay the root of her own mistakes upon her sister. Later Vi says she is done blaming herself for Jinx's mistakes, but the way she does so let's us know that she was blaming Jinx for Vi blaming herself for Jinx's mistakes. Sigh, Vi you are still right back where you started. Jinx just wants absolution for her past mistakes, and that absolution has to come from those she wronged, but most all of them didn't survive. She doesn't have this problem with Silco, due to the fact that as he was dying, he absolved her of the guilt and proclaimed her perfect, as in, he wouldn't change anything about her. He was satisfied with her even as she just dealt him a mortal blow. She misses Silco, and feels bad for killing him, but it isn't destroying her. He gave her the balm to heal from that wound.
Season 2 ACT 2 spoilers below:
Jinx even presents the gift of absolution to VI first, and is shocked when Vi, in return, invites her into that blessed realm of forgiveness.
Vi is tired
Can't blame her.
14:23 I disagree here. I think Vi was very much going to kill Jinx here. Like you mentioned with splitting, that's not her sister. That's Jinx. Jinx is a monster. This monster needs to be dealt with. It's not until Isha jumps in and hugs Jinx that Vi's perception of the Jinx/Powder dichotomy is shattered. I think in that moment she realizes that Powder and Jinx are still the same person, just different and changed.
I also think, conversely, Jinx sees her sister differently as well, after she sees Vi standing up to Caitlyn. In that moment, despite their differences, Vi and Jinx seemed to agree that the girl needed protecting
He does not argue that she wasn't going to kill her in that moment, but that she feels like she has to kill her. Wanting and feeling forced to kill someone is a big difference.
@@justarandomgirlvx3578 "I very much doubt she would've gone through with killing Jinx"
That's a direct quote
My point with splitting is also that she wants to believe that's not her sister. Believing so makes killing her (as she feels she has to now) so much easier. Then she gets to crunch moment and she looks at Jinx and...well she certainly hesitates. Is it her sister? Is Vi so sure that it isn't? It's a moment where she is forced to question her beliefs, her denial, her splitting...and then Isha gives it all a nudge. She may or may not have gone through with it. My guess is she'd have hesitated, and then Caitlyn would've taken the shot.
In many ways that's kind of the point: Vi is forced into a moment where she has to really decide what she believes...but then either Isha or Cait would've made the final decision before Vi really got the chance
@@mylittlethoughttree " It's a moment where she is forced to question her beliefs, her denial, her splitting...and then Isha gives it all a nudge"
I agree Vi questions those things. But I believe that happens *after* Isha pops up. Not before. Before, I think Vi was very much committed to killing Jinx because she murdered the little sister she knew and loved. It's not until Isha pops up that she sees a glimpse of the Powder she once knew, or at least that Jinx isn't the monster she perceives her to be. Vi hesitates beforehand because Jinx is talking and basically giving out her last words before Vi finishes the job.
@@chrishaven1489 yeah I can understand that interpretation though I still personally disagree. I feel she's hesitating for more than just last words
Everytime your sponsor read starts it make me laugh
man I hate how they wrote her charcter in act2&3
the basic phycology of VI
mentally and emotionally tortured lesbian.
What's going on with 6?
It's afraid of 7
why?
@@RuzgarAras-kj3vu because 7 ate 9
VI is afraid of VII because 7 8 9
What's up with Vi? As a wise man once said:
SUFFERING BUILDS CHARACTER -> SUFFERING BUILDS CHARACTER -> SUFFERING BUILDS CHARACTER-> SUFFERING BUILDS CHARACTER ->
The cycle
Would you kill your sister because of your new girlfriend you know 2 weeks ? Just because your sister has changed ?
My thought exactly !!!
That's what you get for caring more about showing up in search results than the best possible quality. What stopped you from reviewing the whole season once it was done like Randomfilm talk did?
I plan to review the whole season at some point, but it's only just finished and I want to first focus on specific points from each episode
Older sister guilt
I saw the caption and I just instantly thought “she’s going through a lesbian breakup THATSBWHAT”
Okay from what I understand she’s the one who raided topsiders, causing Vander to get arrested, her sister makes a mistake and blows him up but to be honest they would of died anyway BECAUSE V originally sought out trouble. Her sister is obviously deeply traumatized and she responds by hitting a little kid and blaming her for the deaths completely even though Vi is also responsible. Jinx is suffering from mental illness and PSYCHOSIS after this, and Vi responds by ignoring it and feels that Jinx is “untrustworthy.” Like what Jinx is suffering from severe mental illness, and yes Vi refuses to love her or accept her for who she is now.
Vi's pretty inconsistent on child endangerment. She roasts Jayce for quitting the mission to get Silco over "one dead kid!?", but criticizes Cait for risking the same thing to catch Jinx. I also don't like her line about everyone else changing. Who besides Cait and Jinx is there? I've made peace with the rest of the dialogue I found clumsy but these are stinkers.
Maybe she was more so worried that Caitlyn who has always shown to care about people and their well-being, be pushed to shoot even if it meant killing a child in the process. It is unlike caitlyn to be so cruel which is the kicker. But theres probably also a part of Vi that isnt very determined to kill Jinx too. I agree that her character this season is definitely flawed and the writers (the remaining few that wasnt kicked out from season one.... anyway) should have prioritised Vi's identity just as much as say, Jinxs.