Yo Guys, I got to correct you as a LOT of the info you gave on the process of the qualification was INCORRECT. I know because I am a Bboy, I became one of the qualified judges for the Olympic process, I actually commentated the Oceania Qualification that Raygun won, and I'm also a writer and journalist on the breaking scene. So here's the correct, more detailed info: ENTERING THE OCEANIA QUALICIATION WASN'T COMPLICATED The process was not complicated to enter, and you did not need letters and accreditations from multiple sources. All you needed was citizenship in any of the Oceania countries and membership to the WDSF (world dance sport federation), which is the federation in charge of breaking in the Olympics. This is how EVERY sport in the Olympics works. You can only represent a country if you have a passport for that country. It’s always been like this. THE QUALIFICATION WAS NOT CLOSED OFF TO AUSTRALIA It was in no way closed to Australia, and there was no exclusive qualifier for one country. Unfortunately Oceania as a region barely has any breakers. It was the smallest continental qualifier overall simply because of it's lack of breakers. Mostly it was breakers from Australia and New Zealand who entered. And there was a bboy from Papua New Guinea who competed in the last two qualification events under an Olympic program that tries to give countries with less financial support, a chance to compete. Australia simply had the most breakers, its that simple, but again, it was in no way closed off to just Australians. If you want to know, there were 5 direct continental qualifiers in: Asia, Oceanic, Africa (also the level was low and attendance low), Pan America, and Europe. They was also a world qualifier for a direct spot. All sports use this type of system, its not just breaking, as the Olympics is about having athletes from everyone continent at least. So there was nothing to do with 'corruption.' WHO OVER SAW THE OCEANIA QUALIFIER? The qualifier was actually overseen by the WDSF. The Australian organisation simply took care of things when it came to doing things on the ground in Australia, but because they were so small and lacked finance, the wdsf stepped in to help and they always oversee the qualifiers to make sure no corruption happens. The Australian organisation had nothing to do with picking the judging, who are all certified through training. The wdsf also set the rules for the competition, and are there to oversea all the official stuff. The Australian organisation had no influence in any of that. The only thing they might have do is get the venue and recommended an Australian DJ and co-host. Performance wise, yes she didn't do well, so I'm not disputing that, but it needs to be taken into account that every breaker who competed at the Olympics had a chance of winning 1 battle, or at least scoring some votes, depending on the Round robin group they were put in, which they didn’t know until 1/2 weeks before the competition. So if she was in a different group, say with the Moroccan bgirl, she may have actually at least got some votes. But Nicka, Syssy, and Logistx... yeh, once we saw her group we knew it was going to be a hard day at the office for her. But that's competition. Anyway, I wanted to clear things up so you guys are aware of the correct information. Peace
Appreciate more qualrifying information! I would disagree on a few points though. 1) You saying she would have gotten points if she was in the group with that moroccan bgirl isnt exactly a glowing endorsement. That moroccan bgirl was also horrible, scored 2 out of 54 points and had no place on that stage. Her being "unlucky" just because she didnt get grouped with a F Tier breakdancer is an indicment on the quality of pool of talent. 2) Regardless of whether or not WDSF Financed and oversaw things, the people handling things on the ground being the ones also competing is a horrible look. One can say there wasnt any impropreity whilst the apperance of corruption still being there. For a regular localized event that would have been but for a olympic qualifier, this cannot be the standard that you are both involved in the organization of the competition, & winning said competition. Would you disagree with this sentiment? 3) So it wasnt closed off to 1 country but essentially 2 countries for a low population region without a large breaking community. Whats more, winning in such a weak region means you automatically go to the mainstage. Why not weed out the weak breakers by having a preselection that isnt for everyone to see if youre going to have represenatives from very weak regions. Preselections at some of the big breakdancing events are done when most people arent watching or on a different day than the main event. Neither of these girls should have been on the mainstage and whilst it is your first iteration of this event, it is nonethess a big mistake that has overshadowed what should have been a great debut. Thanks again!
I participated in the science fair with a shit non scientific project. I didnt know any better, so i listed it under physics. It was defenetly not physics. Because no one did that category, i got 1st place. Went to distric level, 3 people participated for physics, i got 3 place. Made it to Regionals. 4 people participated for physics.. i got 4th place. In every level i got last place, but because 1st 2nd and 3rd move up to the next level, i always qualified. My mom was proud. I got trophies and medals. In my mind i knew that my project was trash and not even about physics and i was actually loosing, not winning. I never told anyone. But i never really celebrated it. I knew i was a fraud.
I'm a legal assistant and when I first started I was so shocked that lawyers were some of the most shady people I have ever met (and I've met lots of criminals when I worked for a criminal defense attorney). But it's just because they know the laws so well they are comfortable breaking them or getting around them 😂
Activists aren't about that life they are about dismantling systems and the Olympics is a system that's very old and established at this point. She did the job she went there for with helping break the system
she is like the people who show up for the first episode of American Idol who think they can "sing like an angel" because their momma tells them so, and then looks embarrassing on national tv. if she had friends, they should have said something.
I will leave a comment from the perspective of a different sport. I used to be a top ranked tennis player in Ontario and Canada. Played some pro tournaments, but was never good enough to make a living, so I "retired" on a scholarship playing for the NCAA. At the time I was competing, Canada had an underwhelming tennis team - we did not do well on the global stage. But even though our tennis players did not place well, they still "belonged," for lack of better word. Meaning, they were still in the top 100 tennis players in the world, which is an extremely difficult thing to achieve. They would still be the BEST player you would ever encounter in your life, unless you attended a Grand Slam or Grand Slam qualifier. You knew you were looking at an elite athlete. The problem with Raygun is that even an unqualified eye could tell that she did "not belong;" she didn't move or perform like an athlete, let alone a world class one. All of us saw better break dancers on our local streets and RUclips videos, and we rightfully expected that the Olympics would exceed what we had encountered in daily life. It was shocking to find out that Olympic athletes were way below street performers. You just don't get that with other sports. In other sports, even an untrained eye can easily recognize a world class athlete when they're looking at them, especially at the Olympics. With Raygun, one felt like they were looking at a hobbyist, not an Olympian. Even our poor Canadian Olympics tennis team in the 90's didn't draw that reaction; spectators knew that they were watching world class athletes that were simply not as good as the top world class athletes. That's what the Olympics should embody - world class athleticism. Period.
Yep. It's not that she was bad, it was as if she was just pretending. I would have expected that level of breaking from someone who had just watched a few hours of RUclips videos and practised some poses in the mirror. Because of this, to my mind, she came across as someone showing contempt for the art form. We know, we just do, that there are far better female breakers in Australia the her. She is probably one of the reasons that breaking will not be in the Olympics in the foreseeable future. The sport has shown that it doesn't yet have the quality of competitors to be a viable option.
Great comment! Exactly, even to the untrained eye anyone could see that she isn't a dancer, period. It wasn't subjective, she just clearly lacks talent. She may love to do it, but that alone isn't enough.
The reason there's so much attention on these dancers is because it's so embarrassingly bad. This is Olympics and you have people showing up performing like they are still in the beginners tutorial class.
I agree with Preach. I’m tired of the “everyone gets a trophy” mindset. There will always be someone who is more talented, but if you have a natural gift AND put in the required training, then you should compete. If not, then don’t waste people’s time.
@TheeBlackSilhouette She did know that she didn't have the talent, she has competed in world championships and is low ranked. She is apparently high ranked in Australia so tells you how small the pool is that are entering these official competitions. This is a quote from her wiki: She said she could not compete athletically with her younger rivals, and said she instead wanted to "move differently, be artistic and creative. ... I was always the underdog and wanted to make my mark in a different way".
@TheeBlackSilhouetteThat is the definition of a narcissistic character. She has no shame, it has nothing to do with self-confidence. If people have a manipulative and narcissistic character, they won't care about the world opinions.
The qualifying event was meant to include New Zealand. I'm a Kiwi and I know there's a strong street dance culture here with some very talented performers. Australia robbed these kids of a potentially life-changing opportunity and instead sent a woman who's performance was a joke. An absolute injustice!
I can sort of imagine New Zealand having a dance scene given what I've seen of their Maori culture . I believe you when you say that they probably could have found a Kiwi break dancer who would not have been an embarrassment. Better luck next Olympics. I hope whatever qualifying rules they have are fair to you guys.
On positive side here, the whole world now knew her (and her associates) corrupt schemes. She would be infamous, and hopefully make real performers get known
I am sad that our Indigenous dancers did not get a kook in, either. She was, well . Better suited to the wiggles or play school. Kiwis would have brought some style and feel and rhythm. I thought that she was making fun of how us Aussies can be shit dancers, and was shocked to find out she was real, not a parody.
See that's what I mean,as well they didn't look very hard to make sure they found the best female break dancer I am so sad cause I didn't even know breakdancing was gonna be a Olympic event I would have watched it and because they chose from a limited section of dancing communities they didn't are about this event in my opinion otherwise we would have made sure they found the best of the best from each New Zeland And Australia instead who ever informs on the events didn't search for the best just the best in probley 1 or 2 states over hear in Australia for all anyone knows they didn't let all our best break dancers know about it so how could the best one have the chance to show up for a shot at showing how good they are so sad they didn't take it seriously and chose poorly or trusted the wrong people to get the job done 😮
5:38 I agree with Preach. it isn't about "not trying" it's acknowledging you're a Middle School level track runner, and you're going to compete and represent your entire country against D1 athletes. It's embarrassing for you, and for everyone you represent. It should never have happened.
Exactly. It would be fine if it were a local tournament -- you could learn from the loss. But it's literally the Olympics! It's embarrassing for your country. Aba's talking about 'giving your best' in the Olympics like it's an everyday event.
I also completely agree with Preach. This feels like signing up to a high level American Football trial when you've never played American football before or you've just (in her fashion) studied and watched the game. Only this time, it's representing your country. What I think is even worse is she can't acknowledge that her routine was garbage and accept the loss, she thinks there's a vendetta out to get her.
Couldn't agree more. It isn't about you when it comes to the Olympics. You represent your country, and National Pride should be a thing for every country. It isn't a weakness to know your limit or know your place in the world.
Yea, if you feel like you’re not going to win a single point don’t even think about stepping into the Olympics. Those are one of the rare events where winning is everything and you don’t get props for participation. Thats also fault on the qualifier judges for even letting this get pass to go in the Olympics.
@suitdoggy4707 but that's where abba's point comes in. It only happened because that's the only thing coming out of Australia. She did what everyone else did. She went to the tryouts, competed, beat everybody and that's the best the had. Preach is still right as well though. Both of them are
I agree with Preach. Raygun knew she didn’t have the ability. She loves the break dancing culture, but it’s a competition not a showcase. You don’t go out and dance in that setting if you don’t have the ability to compete.
Aspirational delusional bubble people are in every walk of life--there is no way narcissists are going to disqualify or check themselves. It's the qualifying committee's responsibility to set and enforce the standards--they are at fault here.
Someone on Instagram was trying to say that people are mad at Raygun because 'she showed up as her authentic self and most people are unable to do that'. Well, guess her authentic self is not skilled enough for the Olympics
I am 100% with Preach. I am not a dancer and don’t have rhythm for dancing. The issue is not she should have or shouldn’t have gone. The issue is she is not qualified for dancing as an Olympian standard. If her country doesn’t have better qualifiers to go then this event is not for them. All she did was literally look like a fish flopping on dryland. At home on the dance floor, at a party with your friends, by all means express yourself. But in a competition of that magnitude absolutely not.
I would agree that she shouldn’t have participated, but that’s for the country and athlete to decide right? You qualified for the spot, you’ve got a person, if they want to do it why not? I think this brings a very fair criticism of the qualification process. Clearly she was not qualified to be there, but that’s not on her or Australia. It’s on whoever said she was allowed to participate IMO.
@@mbrown7325she pulled some strings to get chosen (indirectly). Her husband became coach for the Australian team & one of the Olympics Committee member.
It’s really hurtful to see a type of dance started in FBA culture. Now at the Olympic level, and not see the demographic or faces of the people who started it. I watched the best of the best and they all really suck!
My sister was the dean director of dance at Rutgers, now she’s USCs president director whatever. She’s got some qualifications to have an opinion more than most people. I’m a surfer, so naturally I think what she does it childish jungle gym shit and am shocked she makes a few hundred though and a year and they paid for relocation fees of another few hundred thou. But hey, people and institutions support all sorts of weird childish stoopid shit 🤦♂🫣😆😆😆😆
Preach is correct: its one thing to know you might not win but still have the ability to compete, but to know you're not even in the same league of the competition and still be put on the same platform as the elite, is disrespectful to the competition and the audience. It should have never been up to her, she should have been screened and removed
This. It's also embarrassing to the country or cause you are representing, so best to abstain instead of risking bringing embarrassment to your country or cause. Tact
It’s the Olympics. Apparently she was the best from her country, sadly, and she should get a chance to compete. Nobody says anything about a basketball team getting blown out by 60. Most people don’t realize that this happens in Track all the time. You just don’t see it because everybody only watches the Finals. She earned her spot and didn’t make it out of, what is essentially “Pool Play”. She still had a great experience and can always call herself an Olympian
I don't know. There was an archer who participated this year from Chad, who was 100% outclassed. He didn't win, but likewise, he qualified. That said, the country chooses its qualifications. Raygun was what they believed to be talented.
You two are definitely right. I think where the Olympics screwed up was they did not have a cohesive standard for judgment. They had two different documents outlining what would be judged and they didn’t match and left too much to interpretation. I’m sure that influenced the judges in Australia to think that Raygun had something to bring to the international stage. I can’t think of a kinder explanation and I won’t speculate on hidden agendas. If you look at gymnastics, moves have specific scores. They should have built that into the judgment in some way, even if they had to have a separate competition that was called a technical round. Raygun talked a lot about her skills that could only be subjectively judged; her creativity or musicality. As a former ballerina, I can tell you that those qualities aren’t gonna get you far! Just skip all the years of training it takes to be able to do pirouettes, leaps, etc, and say, I’m working on that, but I think my creativity is strong? What an insult to dancers who work everyday for years to hone their bodies to reflect their genre. What hubris on her part. It’s really damn offensive. Break dancing has enough codification that they could have formalized the judging more: power moves, check; freezes; check. The unique dynamics of break dancing that make it such a joy to watch are subjective and can be judged in a separate way. The final competitions, melding those elements of creativity and skill, should be for the best of the best to compete in. Thankfully, we saw some amazing performances which I shall try to keep front of mind to block out the weird gyrations of a beginner in a baggy track suit rolling around the floor.
And some kinda bunny hop nonsense... Honestly instant I saw that I felt I didn't need to know any more. I know NOTHING about break dancing but if you bringing the SPRINKLER to the Olympics you're not taking it seriously, you're memeing.
@@AnaOhKay not sure that makes it better... In my mind the Olympics are for feats of strength and physical prowess NOT for artistic expression. When u watch a performance it's goal should be to IMPRESS the viewers. And I've been thoroughly impressed by break dancing before. Her performance did not impress me in the slightest. It literally looked like a joke
This is the issue with the whole thing. Ive been an on and off bboy for 10 years, started in school was heavy with it, stopped when i joined the military aside from a small amount of practice when i had time. Got out, started breaking again, had a baby stopped breaking a lot and only practice when i have time. Thata where i am now. I have a LOT of family. They ALL know ive been breaking for a long time. They have never mentioned it or talked about it or known anything about it. After raygun was on stage they have all been talking about it as if thats what breaking is, mocking it, imitationg what she did, making jokes, saying breaking should never be in the olympics, its not a sport etc. The sport thing is always up for debate but basically she just defined breaking in the eyes of those that are ignorant of breaking. They dont mention Victor, they dont mention Logisticx or other female breakers that were awesome. My dad was literally kangaroo hopping around his house... breaking has been underground forever, we had a chance to come up, and she destroyed it with that disrespectful trash she did on stage
I have a somewhat closer perspective on this issue: I'm a former breaker from Aus and I was pretty active in the scene over the last decade or so, especially in Sydney. I've seen her husband break many times in real life.. and his style, while unique, does not translate to an international level required for this sport - it literally just comprises of unconventional but decent toprock, weird freezes, footwork (seriously weird), slides and next to no power moves, as if he is not athletic enough to perform them so he tries way too hard to be "original". I truly believe Raygun was dancing to the best of her ability, but she would've learnt everything she knows from her husband (who introduced her to breaking when she was 20) which is why her style was incredibly wack and stood out like a sore thumb. Though there have been false accusations about the judging panel, a lot of the blame does rest on him for facilitating and enabling her through this whole fiasco - he's been in the scene for well over a decade and should have 100% known she was no where near the level required for the olympics, yet he still hyped her up and deluded her into believing that she would be a proud representative for Australia, in a sport that was making its debut on the biggest and most competitive stage in the world. There are so many talented up and coming breaker girls (who are actually athletic) around Australia who were never even aware that a qualifier for the olympics was being held, but would have jumped at the chance to represent Australia if they were. Now the entire world is laughing at Raygun and she will never be able to live it down, and so much respect has been lost for breaking as a legitimate sport, even though breakers are some of the most athletic human beings on earth. Such a god damn shame..
Aren't you just all smiles and rainbows Breaking is getting the most attention possibly in its entire history right now I think that saying that there is a "required standard" in a sport that based itself off of being different is a terrible thing entirely in itself
@@Ktmfan450 You completely miss the point. Yes breaking is getting the most attention it ever has, but that attention is based around ridicule. Without this fiasco it would've gotten the most attention regardless just by being in the games, but it would've been based around prestige. There is absolutely a required standard when you are an athlete in the literal Olympic Games. You are there to represent the best of the best in human physicality and athleticism - average people are not supposed to be able to replicate what you do without any prior training. The core issue is that Raygun and her husband took the position from someone who could have legitimately represented Australia and the sport of breaking. Breaking started from rebellious roots, but movements evolve - and if you know anything about the breaking community then you'd know they have been petitioning for years to have the sport legitimised so that breaking can be a viable career path for future generations. I'm not saying there isn't a place for having fun with breaking at a substandard level, it's just not on the world's biggest stage.
Her Husband was the judge for Oceania. She is also a member of the committee that judged it. I know because I'm from Sydney. Australia has plenty of none white bgirls, but only 15 women attended the trials; the actual people into breaking live in the poorer parts of Australia and couldn't afford to attend + they barely advertised it.
her husband was also given a $65000 grant to 'train' her for this crap.... complete grifters who should be forced to hand back the money to the taxpayers!
Cheers for your info as that explains a lot. I'm also an Aussie 🇦🇺(Melbourne) and couldn't believe that she was chosen to represent female breakdancers in Australia. The young girls who do break dancing at my daughter's dance school are genuinely more skilled and talented than her. But yes most of them aren't white. Most are from Asian or Pacifika backgrounds.
As a B Boy of 12 Years I agree 100% with preach's opinion. She tried to break the rules without even knowing the rules. She was not at an Olympic level... but was delusional enough to think she was and got a wake up call. And yes she shouldn't have competed because she should've been aware of the competition and her level. People asked me why I didn't at least tryout for the Olympics. And my response was legit "Because I do not dance at an Olympic level" it's not about counting myself out but I only train 3 - 4 hours a week. These dudes like Phill wizard and Victor are training 3 - 4 hours a day. I wouldn't even waste my time trying to get into a competition of this level knowing they're there. Unless I was putting in the same work. Now I'll pull up to a local jam/event but an OLYMPIC competition? nah I'd be wilding
The saddest thing about this is it doesn't take someone specifically within the Break community to see this. This is an early, entry-level personal lesson in just about every competition, usually learned at the lower tiers of any competitive sport, and even then it can be embarrassing. This wasn't just some happenstance with the AUS team. Someone dropped the ball so badly, a corruption inquiry I think is needed. This entire Olympics has been a farce at the official level.
It's also not her just representing herself or her hometown or maybe her state/province. This is *worldwide* - that's crazy hubris to step up to the international stage with that skill level and knowingly embarrass your entire country. It's one thing to choke, it's another to say "I deserve to be up there" while not even having passed the threshold to that peak. She did this for herself without regard to how it would embarrass what/who she was representing.
I was about to type something to that effect too. If you don't put in Olympic work, haven't got the skills yet or haven't trained your body to the best it can be knowing it can't compare to other performers why not step down and speak out to give other people a chance who can..and if there really is no one its ok to sit out a season or to be content with your skills and respect those of others. Like Aba is right in any other kind of situation but I really think something like the Olympics is different because people there are at their peak, they sweat blood and salt everyday to be their best, for them it isn't a case of being lucky or going to try to be tenacious. No one there is there on the power of sheer tenacity without hard work backing them.
@@necromaster998 Yeah honestly when she said that in the interview. It really just went in 1 ear 👂 and out the other for me. No disrespect to her for the work she put in to get the degree though. 💯 But it's Becuase breaking doesn't work like that. You can study breaking/b boying on paper all day. You can learn the names of all the moves, know all the hand placements, foot placements etc. But If you are not on that FLOOR busting your ass for hours and hours every week you will not really understand the dance and you won't progress. And you will never understand where and when to break the rules. She says she's been breaking for 12 years as well but her skill level is indicative of someone who's been breaking for 6 months. Not trying to be rude or funny. But that is legit how b boys/b girls that are within their first 6 months of learning dance.
As a professional Bboy it’s really disappointing and annoying that Rayguns took the shine away from literally all of the dancers. Medalist like my good friend Victor will never get there credit he deserves. Sure… I guess props to Rayguns for putting herself out there but sometimes Self-awareness is important for the betterment of everyone involved. She shouldn’t have been on that stage considering the current stain she’s put on the other competitors, true hip-hop culture and the entire Breaking Community💯
No its not props to her. She did more damage to breakdancing in the olympics than any of the good that could have come out of this. It already wasnt seen as something that should have been there in the first place but now she cemented it as a meme. We have to stop giving "props" to people for doing stupid stuff just for the sake of doing stupid stuff.
@@blklightning21 I have no experience or knowledge of break dancing and the only thing I've ever seen of it is Rayguns dancing. That being my only exposure does make it seem like a joke. I took the time to watch the finals and it is a night and day difference. It would be like having two inexperienced people fighting in a cage and calling it MMA.
This reminds me of a time when my friend used to make $100,000 a year in college by spending hours each day finding scholarships that were extremely rare and had no one applying for them. He was white, and I was pretty upset when he told me he won $20,000 from a scholarship meant for struggling Black fathers. He was white with no kids, but since no one else applied, and he wrote about how having both parents and a Black cousin made him aware of the issue, he won. I found out because if they don't spend the money, they don't get it the next year. It's considered a loss, and if you lose a certain amount, you won't get funding anymore.
I had a ex very wealthy white friend who used to lie in order to get assistance for college. Her parents paid for anything it’s not like she had to. She filled out forms that pretty much said she’s a person of color and needs help for x and y reasons. When she told me that I genuinely got upset because she’s taking opportunities away from people who actually need it. I reported her for that and her uni kicked her out she had MANY choice words for me
You seriously didn't know that 😂😂😂😂 thats how it's been forever. They have to spend the money even if it's on a pineapple that is carved up as a human on top of a dummy
looked more like an interpretive modern dance about a kangaroo getting bit by a snake and dying a slow death. You'd think a person with a PhD in cultural studies would understand how offensive it is to do interpretive modern dance in place of hip-hop. It would be like going to a Salsa dance competition, only to start tap dancing on stage. She wasn't even breaking bad.
she is a professor at macquarie university, the association that dealt with selection for olympics got their big break from her by introducing a macquarie university partnership with that association. Seems very obvious that this is some sort of favour for a favour arrangement. She definitely was directly involved in that corruption.
There are people at the Olympics every year who are unqualified. Usually, there's a good reason they're there. They are typically from a country where even just participating in an accomplishment. There was an archer from Chad who came in dead last. He taught himself archery. It was an inspiring story. He was the 2019 Africa Cup bronze medalist, but Archery isn't popular in Africa, so coming in 3rd on the continent 5 years ago doesn't make you all that good, just like Raygun now. But his story is inspiring. He's one of 3 athletes from the country. She's from Australia, a perennial powerhouse of Olympic medals, #2 nation in the world in swimming. REALLY not the same thing.
'she won the qualifiers' of the organisation that she and her husband started. And that only had like 20 members. Which she was the only one showing up at all the events. Hence had the most points.
Dude except that is utter misinformation, which utter discredit yourself if you blindly repeat it. The husband was not the judge, she didn't "start" the organisation, the judges are reputable with no link to her. And the organisational requirement .. apparently the membership fee is just less than $80 dude. Lack of publicity and having to travel far if your are in area like Perth may be a bigger factor but that is common for other sports. So you literally has nothing to stand on It is as aba and preach saud, their standard are trash there.
@@Jinkypigs Where did I say he was the judge? The dance federation only had a ballroom dance department. So they quickly formed a breakdance department. Only 15 people competed in it. She turned up in all the qualification sessions. So, she 'won'. Do you really think Raygun is the best breakdance girl in oceania? How was this NOT rigged.
@@baskoning9896 A qualification event where 15 people showed up, and she won it. in front of an international panel of judges. neither she nor her husband had anything to do with the judging, and they didn't create the organising organization.
As an Australian, who grew up with hip hop, sugar hill gang through to wu- tang , she has abused the system. I’m sorry our country has become a joke and insults the b boy breaking community. She is a full time student, university lecturer who has never left university. is a doctor in feminist breakdancing. They started a dance studio, had a breakdancing contest that wasn’t widely advertised. The judges included her husband, and their students. Then they lobbied the Australian Olympic Committee informing them they have ticked all the boxes. The committee let her through, She has been given over quarter million dollars in research grants and tax funds, studying street spaces for street dance. And finally she gets free tickets, accommodation to Olympic Games. Corruption is an understatement…it is a crime that people love to scam the system . Arrest her for fraud
There is a bit of corruption underneath this. It would seem Raygun used a combination of nepotism and public influence to get that slot on the AUS team ahead of far more legitimate potential competitors. Already there is public outcry over this. Rachel Gunn is a relative unknown in the Breaking community in Australia. She was an academic dance teacher who recently married a Breakdancer known as 'Samuel Free', who claimed a knee injury kept him from competing himself. He seems to have connections however which had Gunn selected over more legit competitors, according to some accusations. I cannot find videos of him dancing, nor competing, however The Sun claims "He's been dancing from an early age, and has a number of titles to his name." Something seems off here. People are wondering how Gunn was selected over 'G Clef' and 'Holy Molly', two local Australian Breakdancers who are widely known, and considering Gunn did a more proper routine upon returning to Australia, people are now wondering if she blew the event on purpose. She's never going to hear the end of it if the IOC refuses to reintroduce Break in 2028 and beyond.
Raygun got her doctorate in breakdancing with a thesis claiming breakdancing is sexist against women. So imagine if they make qualifiers and the talent is so utterly poor by the female athletes that Australia doesn’t send women, this should have happened but Raygun would use this to further claim women aren’t given opportunities and no doubt use it to slander the breaking community and the Australian Olympic federation. The best thing that could have happened, happened. Australia let it run its course and FINALLY reality slapped this woman in the face. Her entire career schtick (like many others) is the whole “I’d be great if I were just given the opportunities”. They use this to steal grants and opportunities just enough whereby they still can claim victimhood and live under this frame permanently doing it over and over. It’s be like a cowardly cocky man saying he’d be the best soldier on earth if he were just given the opportunity to go to war but alas there are no wars. Well, you’ve been deployed bud. That’s what happened to Raygun and it’s damn beautiful
If breaking is going to be in the Olympics it needs to be scored like other Olympic events that are similar like gymnastics, ice skating, etc. This means there is a point value to certain moves and a technical round where you have to show that you can do those moves after that you can add whatever artistic stuff you want for bonus points. This would have automatically excluded Raygun from qualifying right off the bat and if no one else in the competition could pass the criteria they wouldn't have advanced either. It at least would give it a bar for what would be considered Olympic level.
6:40 Respectfully, that's not what Preach is saying🤦🏾♀️. Hes Not talking about getting beat really bad among 2 equal competitors. He's talking about purposefully, putting a baby in a boxing ring. Novices have no business purposefully entering a competition for best in the world. Not that if you are appropriately skilled you shouldn't try. She knew she didn't even know the style so she decided to perform a completely different one. Thats not the spirit of competition, either. It's like, if I competed against Simone Biles, but because I don't know the first thing about being a gymnast, I start to Bachata my floor routine. It's an insult to those who've spent four years training 1 skill just to be able to compete it at the Olympics level. Only to find out the gold medal went to someone who wasn't even doing gymnastics. He's not talking about Raygun being Jordan Chiles competing against Biles. He's comparing Raygun to me.😂 Me doing west coast swing at a gymnastics competition is not shooting my shot. She should've had enough respect for herself, her country, and dance, to say I'm not gonna insult you; I'm not even putting my hat in the ring.
I was gonna come here to say this. Just because she was the “best of the bunch” doesn’t mean she is OLYMPIC material. Exactly like you said, if all you have is babies to fight in your boxing tournament, don’t send the poor baby to embarrass themselves. Simply acknowledge there are no Olympic level athletes that qualified and move on. She didn’t need to be up there in the first place.
@@thelifeofmaryd.2494 if they’re equal competition, then neither team would get blown out. It happens all the time though. There are tournaments based off giving the underdog a chance. FA Cup, World Cup, March Madness. How is this any different? She qualified by a trash conference, then got beat down by a Power 5 school
To add to that: Simone may have trained her yurchenko double pike for 4 years. But, to learn the yurchenko at all she had to build skill from whenever she started gymnastics, with basic vaults then handspring vaults to build up to yurchenko's (which IMO as a gymnast are the hardest vaults). Raygunn trained 37 minutes for her performance, but Simone and others likely worked at least 6 years just to get the basic vault before adding flips or twists to it.
@@JustinGrant IDK about the other events you mentioned, but having graduated from a D1 school I was into March Madness and went to every game. There was no team in the Sweet 16 that I would compare to Raygunn. These are D1 athletes that have been training longer than 37 minutes for their moment. The competitor didn't even compete the required basic components. Regardless of comparisons Raygunn has damaged her sport with her participation and I really hope that the Olympics will put more effort into ensuring that all sports have "an olympic standard" before injecting countries participants onto a world stage to embarrass the sport.
There is an outcry here in Australian because the indigenous Australians in the Northern Territory were not given the opportunities to compete for the Olympic qualifiers. Just because you have the phd it does to mean you can leverage yourself into the Olympics. There were people who weren’t given the chance she was and she can’t break dance at the standard one needs, this is corruption in the systems leading to the highest level competitive sport, the best of the best. I hope this opens up the conversation into actually equality and fairness in the Olympic qualifiers.
omg i would’ve loved to see a breakdancing interpretation of aboriginal culture, like music and dance. that literally would’ve been amazing to see and share the culture of an often overlooked group.
yeah I dont buy that there arent extremely talented aussie dancers its just they prob are just regular people and dont know how to get in through the rigamarole
Trained dancer here in multiple genres, hip hop, house, bboy, ballet, contemporary, jazz, tap, salsa. Raygun performance was appalling. That is why there is a minimum standard, if a country does not have even one person up to standards, then don't send any. There is a need for a standardized qualifying criteria that every qualifying organization can agreed on. And there's this corruption and conflict of interests involved which makes it even worse. now there's a petition to make Raygun and Anna Meares accountable for the biased qualifying selection. Essentially the Australian citizens paid her and her husband for a holiday to France.
My childhood was spent in NY going to B-Boy battles all over the city with my older brother and his crew. I am what you could call a practicing historian of break dancing. I respect you do your dance thing but you don't really know anything about breaking. It was more than dance it was a evolving culture. What we witnessed at the Olympics wasn't breaking and what dancers think breaking today isn't breaking. They have a very watered down basic understanding of the most simplistic elements and styles of break dancing.
@@o0oGhsto0o I know its a culture from bronx, from hip hop culture back then. You can't possible know me based on just a few words, and proceed to make wrong assumptions. I am not even talking about bboy in general, so why even the need to tell me those? are you just trying to show off that you know a lot about bboy? I said what i said in the context of raygun and olympic 2024.
@@loufrost824 sure. scoring matrix can always be created. all dance competitions and olympic competitions already have scoring. that's not the point. the point is standardization.
If you can standardise gymnastics, water aquatics, you can standardise breaking. Idk anything about breaking but common sense dictates that you have a certain number of standardised categories which in order to qualify for the Olympics, you need to achieve a certain score on. In the same way that for a track and field athlete to qualify for the Olympics, they need to have a certain time or score ie. Below 10.5 in 100m or above 70m in javelin (mens)
Yea I get what homie was sayin about if you qualify for your region do you just not go? Yes, if that means going and bringing shame to your country and sport, you stay your ass home.
I remember in the Winter Olympics there was a US women's half pipe skier who basically coasted all the way to the Olympics by not doing any tricks and just doing safe little airs, baaarely out of the pipe. She basically made it because her parents were rich and jet-set her to every qualifier event they could, where she would do this strategy of not doing any tricks but finishing. The problem was how half pipe is scored, where if you make a mistake you lose a ton of points, but if you just air and don't do anything you get a few points, so if all the girls put it all on the table but faulter even once then she could still finish 3rd or whatever... She made it all the way to the Olympics doing that. It's like... what was the point? To make it all the way to the highest level of the sport and get made fun of for not doing any tricks? Why would you want to do that? I think the problem is with how these events are qualified. At the Olympics they just need someone to throw the qualifier points out the window objectively look at each contestant and say, "is this person at the skill-level of this event?" If not, doesn't matter, you just get cooked, go cry about it in your room or whatever.
So sort of correct. She made it to the olympics by qualifying under Hungary - who had no other athletes in that event (iirc?), and she technically qualified due to placing top 30 in World Cup events, which rarely have that many contestants. There was also a combination of rules where 1 country was limited on how many competitors they could send per sport (so it limited the qualified people even more, e.g. US had 6 they could send for half-pipe, but could only send 4 of those 6), injuries that happened, and an IOC rule that balanced the number of men and women they could send (max of 26 with up to 14 men or 14 women for freestyling events). So yes, she did purposely game the system, since she knew she couldn't qualify for the US team, and she also tried but failed under Venuezela (her mother's country) in 2014, she went with Hungary (her grandparents' ancestry). The IOC did say they were changing the qualification process for that event due to this.
There's something satisfying about the way these guys argue. I appreciate it! The way they're straight-forward with each other and they hold their ground
I agree with preach I think a better way of putting it would be you wouldn’t have a featherweight fight a heavyweight in the spirit of competition. Stay in the realm of your skill until you’re ready
Problem is, if she doesnt go after winning her qualifier, one of the many people she defeated on her way to winning the tournament would have gone in her place and they LOST TO HER. Either way, if it wasnt her it would have been someone else, thats why this is an organizational issue. That australian qualifier tournament should have never happened.
@@AbaNPreachthe fact she had the audacity to think she was CLOSE to good enough. She FAFO, and got humbled back to where she belongs… Closer to the bottom.
@Aba & Preach this will explain 🇦🇺 Breakdance studies paid by taxes. She does academic research of the "cultural politics of breaking". Her PhD thesis focused on "the intersection of gender and Sydney's breaking culture". As a Australian we apologise for this.... Thing
preach is right on this. She shouldn't have competed when she was so far off the norm. Honestly, her performance single handedly killed break dancing from olympics forever.
The people saying she's an inspiration are delusional. She made a mockery of it. I couldn't feel more indifferent about breakdancing, and I felt nothing but sheer embarrassment
You’re the first to address this subject with the proper context, language, knowledge, and understanding. Too many people speak on it without the necessary background or insight. Thanks for your thoughtful perspective!
@@ronaldcatullus Sure thing, they just shouldn't be Olympic "sports", just like synchronized diving, synchronized swimming, ball room dancing or break dancing. What's next Olympic eating?
As a '78 Bronx kid, I originally didn't find it funny and thought that isht performance was disrespectful. I had to turn away from that mess. 🤬😡🤬😡🤬 Absolutely bloody criminal.
"You have to learn the rules before you can break them" is the greatest advice I ever got, especially as someone in a more creativity-focused profession. It's phenomenal life advice that'll serve you well if you take it to heart. Also, a lot of the Olympic categories are wildly corrupt. There's a ton of greasing of palms and political bs that massively impacts a large number of Olympic categories - especially the ones that don't get as much attention from the public eye.
I got a great example. When i took music theory classes, we were told certain rules. One person of the class notice bach(yes, that bach) broke some of them. My teachers response was "well, when you can composed like bach, you can break them too".
The only B-girl that ended up on the platform who was paired against Raygun was Nicka who won Silver. And she was the 2023 world champion and was favored to win the gold at the start of the 2024 games.
Out of all the RUclipsrs and platforms that talked about the subject, you guys have the most grounded and accurate accounts to the situation. Even shutting down the fake info regarding ray guns online. You guys actually watched the whole competition which most people commenting on it did not. Thank you for even sharing the names of some of the better dancers in the competition. I would hope you guys could speak more about just the event as a whole if you get the time.
I’ve heard this called “Princess Syndrome”, and it’s a good title for it from what I see. We see it with some Swifties as well… people that can only see themselves (or someone they see themselves in) as only ever being a “hero” or a “victim”. She truly seems to believe that she is “good”, because she decided to change the standard to be what she wants it to be(one that favors her), instead of adhering to the existing standard. BUT then if you don’t like it, “you must be a misogynist, or you’re jealous!” (This then fuels the social movements to further support her) This mentality is scary and it comes from having an abundance of privileged opportunity, but with no accountability or expectations to match. We can’t sit and tell young girls that they can “do or be anything they want”, but at the same time, have no expectations for how they then participate. In fact, this is called “prejudice of lowered expectations” and this is why it’s not a good thing! She has now subsided in delusion(due to the ideological and nebulous favoritism she’s received), and only surrounds herself with those whom will validate her delusions(and it’s mind blowing how many will). They then all protect her from ever having to face reality. It’s really pretty scary actually, even for her own sake! Especially when people like this gain a position of “power”, and then gate-keep opportunity with, and for, their own delusional equity… the fact that this happened at the Olympics should be concerning to everyone. It is likely happening all over at this point and it’s very dangerous!
5:30 I think I agree with Preach more here. I've competed before in bodybuilding and powerlifting, and been good enough to hold my own on a local level. At some shows I've attended, there are people with AWFUL physiques in terms of being stage ready. Well done for having the ambition to compete, but you just aren't there yet. Take a step back, adjust your approach, and come back when you're ready. Equally, I would not compete in a national comp, because I am not at all at that level. Yes encouraging people to get involved is great and is definitely the right thing to do, but we should also encourage people to have realistic expectations. I'm not anywhere near the Mr Olympia stage, and this girl arguably shouldn't have been at the Olympics in her sport either.
I agree with you. If you are someone who believes in the process, then you shouldn’t put yourself in that situation. I just started training in MMA and I’m a child compared to anyone my demographic at the gym. I’m not planning on competing but I know to get to any level I will have to start with the basics and would never sign up to potentially give myself brain damage in under a minute. Starts with knowing yourself
I agree with you. If you are someone who believes in the process, then you shouldn’t put yourself in that situation. I just started training in MMA and I’m a child compared to anyone my demographic at the gym. I’m not planning on competing but I know to get to any level I will have to start with the basics and would never sign up to potentially give myself brain damage in under a minute. I feel bad for her but she could’ve saved herself the embarrassment
Come on guys. So a country of 25 million raised on American culture had no one better than Ray Gun? Our Aboriginal population would disagree. Ray Gun was NOT our best.
I like Preach's point around the 6 min mark. It's not that you shouldn't compete if you're not confident in winning - it's that you shouldn't enter a competitive environment in which you have NO business being. Imagine telling some kid with 3 weeks of Karate experience to enter a Blackbelt competition. That's straight up child abuse. It's not that the kid's unlikely to win, it's that the kid is GOING to embarrass themselves at the expense of the integrity of the competition and sport as a whole.
Except thats not what happened. Imagine that kid entered a continental competition and then won, a compeition judged by internationally chosen judges, etc. etc. Usually when you try to use a simile or metaphor, it should at least be remotely similar.
I didn't see this performance, until it showed up on the internet. What you said was key, when the competition is that limited, titles can be misleading. I remember being mesmerized, by some of the moves breakdancing seemed to produce, from back in the 1980's. On some level, watching this was sad, because somebody else, more qualified, didn't get to be there, because she, and others, whose skill sets did not seem up to par, were.
As a Filipino-Australian, her performance was horrible. Regardless of how she got there, she decided to TROLL once she realized she can't win. Which is unsportsmanlike. Also, if she knew she wasn't good enough to compete, why bother going? She just wanted to go to a paid trip to Paris Olympics. She could have given the spot to someone else. Many countries don't have many athletes, and their athletes struggle to get support and funding. She is a waste of funding and opportunity if she is not even going to try her best. For sure lots of swimmers and runners would know they probably won't win bronze, but they still try their best for their country. In Summary: 1. Wasted opportunity, resources and tax payer money. 2. Unsportsmanlike behaviour 3. Lowkey disrespected other competitors by not taking it seriously. 4. Disrespected breakdancing by not taking it seriously. 5. Probably tried to hide how bad she is by saying she was just trolling. 6. Only thought of herself competing. Didn't think she was representing her country. 7. Gives "first world privilege" energy. Australia can't even redeem itself since there's no breakdancing in LA Olympics. Preferred if she failed but still genuinely tried her best.
I had this "what a mad lass" view of her trolling (because it was clear that was what was going on) where I respected the audacity. Now that I know her husband was involved in the judging and selection process, yikes!!! I'm sure there was someone better in Australia!!
Regardless of the process that got her there, her attitude was disrespectful and the look her on her face was so smug. Allegedly she is doing this for her academia. It's abuse of privilege to turn this into interpretive dance and then make it all about yourself.
I agree with PREACH, she definitely should have abstained. At the end of the day, this breakdancing category has become a spotlight on her and not the competition itself. It gave the comp press but took it away from the folks that worked hard to be there.
The irony is that she said she loved that sports so much, but by inserting herself into the olympic games instead of abstaining from it, she ruined it for everyone.
You made some very good points. As you say dance takes training and has criteria. I come from Tasmania, Australia. Tasmania is a small state with a small population. My son (besides going to dance lessons) was involved with a community youth group that had access to free break dance lessons for teens offered by volunteers as part of their program. We went to check it out and we saw some awesome performances by some of the group. Put it this way, they run rings around Raygun. Some of the kids were also into gymnastics and other styles of dance, and had been experimenting with dance since they were 6 years old. I know there are some very good break dancers in Australia. I suspect that many do not have supportive parents, confidence and/or the financial resources to be able to travel and compete at an elite level. Formal lessons and coaching is financially impossible, and most parents that can afford it are working so hard they do not have time to nurture their kids talents. Then there's unemployment, and sadly there are some kids who are ignored and neglected. The only physical culture offered in public schools is football, basketball and team sports, that do not encourage engagement in physical activities after kids leave school. Also, this narrow view doesn't give kids who have talent in dance etcetera, to even discover it. Dance in Australia is reserved for the entitled, unless the parents are extremely dedicated and buy their furniture from the op shop and forgo all the mod cons (my life for ten years). Parents need time and money to go to competitions. It is very sad to think about all the talent that falls through the cracks. When the rich kids are 99 percent the source of talent that we see, we are not able to see most of the talent, which breads mediocracy.
Considering she did things to block other dancers from having this opportunity she absolutely deserves the public dragging and she absolutely did a lot wrong.
no, I think he's just saying she should have had the self awareness to know that she wasn't at that high standard yet. Most people, when they go to the Olympics hope to come away with a medal, a WR/OR, a NR or at least a PB/SB. She wasn't even close to getting a PB, to improving on her last performance, that's why Preach is saying she shouldn't have gone.
That and she was there for the publicity. I get what aba was saying but he's wrong on this one. Yeah teams should show up and try even if the know they gonna loose. Just don't, at all, think that's the case here. Just don't believe she was a legitimate candidate from the outset. Regardless, and maybe it's not true, but I'd heard her husband was a judge to get her in... smells like fish to me
I learned the same thing in TV production classes. Some of my classmates wanted to edit like they were working for MTV, but we were also told that we need to learn the rules before we can try to break them.
I want to thank you guys so much for shedding light on this matter from the angle that I believe is correct "she fell through the cracks". I was immediately interested in the case, even though I neither do braking, nor am I particularly interested in the Olympics. But the Olympics have always been an arena where amateurs have participated from time to time, and many times they have achieved extreme popularity, such as the Jamaican bobsleigh team and Eddy the Eagle. But there are also many others. At the start, ALL criticism was aimed at the selection process, and not at her as a person, but eventually there has been so much criticism of her, where much of it is pure malicious hatred, and especially from the braking environment that I have been about to give up braking as a sport. But then I see that there are actually also many who see the problem from the angle that is, in my opinion, correct. She took the plunge and took part, even though she knew she wouldn't win. If someone is going to criticize her for something, it is if she herself has been part of what has made the selection problematic, especially the influence she or her husband has had on the way the events were set up, etc. I think it is obvious that there are better breakers from Australia than her, so how did it happen that she went to the Olympics, and not any of them. Eddy the Eagle was the only practicing ski jumper from England, and there wasn't exactly a big bobsleigh community in Jamaica.
Boys! As an Australian with friends in the scene who run dance comps, I can tell you with 100% certainty that Raygun is not the best Australia has to offer. She's not even C-Tier. The problem is, the Girls with the moves dont enter comps. 90% of them (in sydney specifically) teach kids either through social/community work (both paid amd voluntary) or in formal classes. I can guarantee that if amyone from even the Oceania qualifiers battled the girls I know, it wouldnt even be a competition.
So how can it be that the Olympics aren't on the radar of the real B-girls? I can't understand how this even happens? Now Breakdance is the laughing stock in Australia, no?
@@JorisVDC It's like if the USA was looking for basketball stars, and selection process involved limiting the search to rural Montana and never letting anyone elsewhere know it was going on.
@@JorisVDCthe above comment already said what I was about to say about the weird qualifying process. I am from Melbourne and event thought I am not in BD scene but I know/seen way too many girls who are miles better than her . When I watched her live I was so shocked but somehow I convinced myself the whole thing was a joke or a protest of some kind , than when I came to terms with that was her trying her best I was furious as to how she even got there 😡.
You make a good point. I was involved in gymnastics since I was 3 and competing from beginners levels to being on a competitive team. Gymnastics has an organization (USAG) in which training from very young ages and qualifications for competing minimal standards is the same across the country. You have local and state competitions with standards as you move up levels. Then there's a national junior and senior team who have paid training to ensure they are internationally competitive, and a selection process for national and international meets. Maybe break dancing is different, but it seems like there needs to be more organization and higher standards. There shouldn't be any olympic competitors for any sport perior who train 37 minutes for a performance. Most gymnasts are training by age 6 at the latest, and that's late. It's a year round sport so there are no seasons off. Not saying break dancing has to be that way, but there should be a level of excellence for a sport to be included in the Olympics.
As a person who grew up in that era when it started in the late 70 we called Rock in NYC.Rock steady crew and other crews that pioneered it.This is a disgrace.
Looked more like an interpretive modern dance about a kangaroo getting bit by a snake and dying a slow death on stage. You'd think a person with a PhD in cultural studies would understand how culturally offensive it is to do interpretive modern dance in place of hip-hop. It would be like going to a Salsa dance competition, only to start tap dancing on stage. She wasn't even breaking bad. Toddlers on a sugar high dance like that.
@@abram730 which proves the old point. You can’t learn hip Hop in class. It’s street entrepreneurship. Not college degree material. She’s no more Hip Hop than I am Santa Claus. 😂😂
@@adecfc1 Yep, it's also a state of mind, and culture. Things you need to be in the state of mind to understand. Many things get spoken about in code or metaphor. It's not meant to be easy to learn. She didn't even learn the basic rhythms. You need to know the rules before you break them.
Beyonce didn't get flack for making a county album. She got flack because she has a tendency to only do these kinds of albums, once a genre gets popular enough for her to capitalize on. Trap gets popular she does a trap album, house gets popular she does a house album. Country gets popular she does a country album. Just odd for someone who's core is R&B. And then for such a big rollout for this album it was pretty mid. Like at least do something different from the other country artist's lol
@@Chillmindedpanther13 but she isn't just getting criticism man. Criticism is: yo she's way out of her league. What she's getting is judged. Trashed. Accused. It's called online bullying. It's mob mentality and much of it just seeping from the political woke trash everyone is watching on youtube all day. Now political commentators are using her as a means to get more views. And it's draggin bboying thru dirt it has nothing to do with.
5:49 I think what Preach is trying to say is if you're someone from the Kart circuit, and somehow your Kart laps qualified for an F1 race, you should probably abstain from actually racing the other F1 drivers... Only in this case Australia sent a Mario Kart racer for some reason 😆
Rachael Gunn is college educated, she knew throwing out dances like that she was gonna get ridiculed. And now, her & that chef de mission are gaslighting the whole world with the victim narrative & calling everyone hateful online trolls when we’re not. It’s disingenuous for them to say it wasn’t funny when it clearly was. She’s getting the reaction any sane person would expect. Periodt.
Academics are different! They live in a very isolated world, theoretical world. I`ve gone back to higher education in my 50`s and Academics are the exact type of people i`d expect to be this delusional. Again they really are a bit weird.
@@loufrost824 I work with Academics and I agree with you 100%. Delusional and lacking in common sense seem to be common traits among many of them. My partner and I end each shift exhausted from having to try to save them from the insane plans they come up with.
I remember being so confused watching her performance. My first thought was: is she so nervous she cannot come up with a routine? My second thought was: No, she's fine... Is it really possible that Australia doesn't have better dancers? But then my 3rd thought was: Wait, I'm from Argentina, and I've seen way better than this here, how is it possible that we or any another country didn't qualify then?... So my 4th thought was: Is she actually doing something really good and I'm an uncultured swain that doesn't know how to appreciate it? Maybe this is good and I just don't understand... My final though: Nah, something weird is def happening, or at least, something that validates it and I'm totally unaware of it. Today I know better. As you said, the pool may not have been that good to begin with, but I still find it hard to believe. Definitely is an organizational problem. You mentioned that trying to apply was very difficult. Maybe Australia does have better dancers that for one reason or another didn't get in. Maybe they should have competed against other countries. Btw: I heard really crazy things surrounding this, even that this was another instance of the woke f-ing up the Olympics
As someone who has been in the breakdance community in my teen and college years and has been to multiple battles and competitions, I honestly strongly feel that contestants should pass pre qualifiers at the red bull breakdance competition across the world. The top 3 from each country should represent at the Olympics. Each competitor gets two round each for 30-45 seconds per round. The OG experienced of the ABSOLUTE experienced dancer should only be allowed to judge, because they know who to give the best scores to. Whoever was on the Olympic judge panel this year was fucking bullshit and rated unfairly. Like the logistx battle, OMFG unfair! I felt logistx had way better musicality, well versed freestyle floor work, top rock, freezes. Etc. she should’ve won. Also I felt strongly the commentators know way more about the break dancing performance versus the judges. The commentators should’ve judged.
“So you’re saying if you’re going to lose a competition you shouldn’t compete.” Bro this isn’t a “competition.” This is the fuqin Olympics we’re talking about. It isn’t just a competition.
BUT there is supposed to be a thing about participating even when you know you aren't going to win. You think Jamaica thought their bob sledding team was going to win? You think African nations think they are going to win cross country skiing? And the countries that send ONE GUY to the Olympics? They do it to PARTICIPATE. I agree that Ray Gun's break dancing was cringe BUT I defend the country of Australia participating. I do think they have to look at their selection process because as somebody upthread said New Zealand was up for participating and allegedly they do have a dance scene so , yes FIND SOMEBODY BETTER , but I encourage them to try again. Honestly I would LOVE it if Ray Gun spent the next 4 years in NY or LA studying break dancing with REAL break dancers and then try again. That WOULD be and Olympic redemption story. She wouldn't even have to win just IMPROVE.
@@jacquelinecallejas1390 She's 36 it's impossbile to improve unless she takes 💉💉💉 with her training so that her body can hold up with the insane amount physical demands required even then she needs otherworldly talent and an incredibly quick learning curve she needs to be absolutely special otherwise she's gonna end up like CM PUNK at UFC someone who trained hard but just doesn't have it. Most athletes are already their best at 28 and trying to maintain it as long as possible along with using 💉. She looked like a very ordinary 36 year old everyday person that does a bit of break on the weekend as part of a balanced healthy lifestlye for quite a few years. NOT a maniacally driven elite athlete that has dedicated her life to the sport. Raygun was also wincing alot in some of her moves she looked like she was pushing beyond her limits she did her best. Also she is absolutely NOT Australias' best female break dancer not even close, that's the biggest issue, it's not actually her fault if you win something and told you have a spot at the olympics you take it having doubt is the worst thing to have in that situation. Sending her seems more of a political statement I disagree with you here I feel it's all on how the Breakdance Aus decided to participate, not on Raygun I think she was for real but the judges knew her limitations and sent her to get torn to shreds, a way of saying we don't give a shit about breaking. Their apathy backfired and they copped it on the world stage. Believe it Australia is a very competitive nation they will bring their actual best when it comes to breaking at the olympics next time round if there even is a next time. Take India for example: Manikanta Hoblidhar clocked 10.23 at 100m 2023. Against Usain Bolt/other olympic sprinters he would look like a snail as you say "participating". Yet Manikanta is closer to Usain that the majority of us would ever be closer to Manikanta. Not the case with Raygun. She's creative-abstract based but just not technical or athletic, most people her age/younger that are healthy can do all her moves and mimic those 3 rounds of her routine with not much training, her opponents however they were elite 99.9% of us are not gonna come anywhere close to them ever.
Always loved how Aba and Preach can actually have a conversation when they disagree . You don’t see that now a days . Just arguing and people being mad you don’t have the same opinion or outlook on things
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Yo Guys, I got to correct you as a LOT of the info you gave on the process of the qualification was INCORRECT. I know because I am a Bboy, I became one of the qualified judges for the Olympic process, I actually commentated the Oceania Qualification that Raygun won, and I'm also a writer and journalist on the breaking scene. So here's the correct, more detailed info:
ENTERING THE OCEANIA QUALICIATION WASN'T COMPLICATED
The process was not complicated to enter, and you did not need letters and accreditations from multiple sources. All you needed was citizenship in any of the Oceania countries and membership to the WDSF (world dance sport federation), which is the federation in charge of breaking in the Olympics. This is how EVERY sport in the Olympics works. You can only represent a country if you have a passport for that country. It’s always been like this.
THE QUALIFICATION WAS NOT CLOSED OFF TO AUSTRALIA
It was in no way closed to Australia, and there was no exclusive qualifier for one country. Unfortunately Oceania as a region barely has any breakers. It was the smallest continental qualifier overall simply because of it's lack of breakers. Mostly it was breakers from Australia and New Zealand who entered. And there was a bboy from Papua New Guinea who competed in the last two qualification events under an Olympic program that tries to give countries with less financial support, a chance to compete. Australia simply had the most breakers, its that simple, but again, it was in no way closed off to just Australians.
If you want to know, there were 5 direct continental qualifiers in: Asia, Oceanic, Africa (also the level was low and attendance low), Pan America, and Europe. They was also a world qualifier for a direct spot. All sports use this type of system, its not just breaking, as the Olympics is about having athletes from everyone continent at least. So there was nothing to do with 'corruption.'
WHO OVER SAW THE OCEANIA QUALIFIER?
The qualifier was actually overseen by the WDSF. The Australian organisation simply took care of things when it came to doing things on the ground in Australia, but because they were so small and lacked finance, the wdsf stepped in to help and they always oversee the qualifiers to make sure no corruption happens. The Australian organisation had nothing to do with picking the judging, who are all certified through training. The wdsf also set the rules for the competition, and are there to oversea all the official stuff. The Australian organisation had no influence in any of that. The only thing they might have do is get the venue and recommended an Australian DJ and co-host.
Performance wise, yes she didn't do well, so I'm not disputing that, but it needs to be taken into account that every breaker who competed at the Olympics had a chance of winning 1 battle, or at least scoring some votes, depending on the Round robin group they were put in, which they didn’t know until 1/2 weeks before the competition. So if she was in a different group, say with the Moroccan bgirl, she may have actually at least got some votes. But Nicka, Syssy, and Logistx... yeh, once we saw her group we knew it was going to be a hard day at the office for her. But that's competition.
Anyway, I wanted to clear things up so you guys are aware of the correct information.
Peace
Appreciate more qualrifying information! I would disagree on a few points though.
1) You saying she would have gotten points if she was in the group with that moroccan bgirl isnt exactly a glowing endorsement. That moroccan bgirl was also horrible, scored 2 out of 54 points and had no place on that stage. Her being "unlucky" just because she didnt get grouped with a F Tier breakdancer is an indicment on the quality of pool of talent.
2) Regardless of whether or not WDSF Financed and oversaw things, the people handling things on the ground being the ones also competing is a horrible look. One can say there wasnt any impropreity whilst the apperance of corruption still being there. For a regular localized event that would have been but for a olympic qualifier, this cannot be the standard that you are both involved in the organization of the competition, & winning said competition. Would you disagree with this sentiment?
3) So it wasnt closed off to 1 country but essentially 2 countries for a low population region without a large breaking community. Whats more, winning in such a weak region means you automatically go to the mainstage. Why not weed out the weak breakers by having a preselection that isnt for everyone to see if youre going to have represenatives from very weak regions. Preselections at some of the big breakdancing events are done when most people arent watching or on a different day than the main event.
Neither of these girls should have been on the mainstage and whilst it is your first iteration of this event, it is nonethess a big mistake that has overshadowed what should have been a great debut.
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I participated in the science fair with a shit non scientific project. I didnt know any better, so i listed it under physics. It was defenetly not physics. Because no one did that category, i got 1st place. Went to distric level, 3 people participated for physics, i got 3 place. Made it to Regionals. 4 people participated for physics.. i got 4th place.
In every level i got last place, but because 1st 2nd and 3rd move up to the next level, i always qualified.
My mom was proud. I got trophies and medals. In my mind i knew that my project was trash and not even about physics and i was actually loosing, not winning.
I never told anyone. But i never really celebrated it. I knew i was a fraud.
Lmao this is a good story.
Really a “I’ve won but at what cost?” Type beat
ur secret is safe fam we wont tell
Me personally I would take the truth to the grave and use it to motivate my kids somehow
Lmfaoooo a man haunted by an old science project.
"Learn the rules before you break them." That's some great wisdom.
its call breaking for a reason dopey.
@@RichardSavery52 Google exists.
I'm a legal assistant and when I first started I was so shocked that lawyers were some of the most shady people I have ever met (and I've met lots of criminals when I worked for a criminal defense attorney). But it's just because they know the laws so well they are comfortable breaking them or getting around them 😂
@@joanna0988^why i refuse to be one despite probably having a chance at it
Activists aren't about that life they are about dismantling systems and the Olympics is a system that's very old and established at this point. She did the job she went there for with helping break the system
As someone who doesn’t know anything about professional break dancing watching Raygun actually hurt my retinas😭
That's an...interesting dance for sure better than whatever the hell jojo siwa hit now that sh*t hurts my retinas😂
Watch Phil Wizard's round, it will un hurt them.
When she got on stage someone told her "Now drop on the deck and flop like a fish"
Damn even Vin Diesel can break dance better than her.
I know, what the hell did I just watch😂
she is like the people who show up for the first episode of American Idol who think they can "sing like an angel" because their momma tells them so, and then looks embarrassing on national tv.
if she had friends, they should have said something.
I will leave a comment from the perspective of a different sport. I used to be a top ranked tennis player in Ontario and Canada. Played some pro tournaments, but was never good enough to make a living, so I "retired" on a scholarship playing for the NCAA. At the time I was competing, Canada had an underwhelming tennis team - we did not do well on the global stage. But even though our tennis players did not place well, they still "belonged," for lack of better word. Meaning, they were still in the top 100 tennis players in the world, which is an extremely difficult thing to achieve. They would still be the BEST player you would ever encounter in your life, unless you attended a Grand Slam or Grand Slam qualifier. You knew you were looking at an elite athlete.
The problem with Raygun is that even an unqualified eye could tell that she did "not belong;" she didn't move or perform like an athlete, let alone a world class one. All of us saw better break dancers on our local streets and RUclips videos, and we rightfully expected that the Olympics would exceed what we had encountered in daily life. It was shocking to find out that Olympic athletes were way below street performers.
You just don't get that with other sports. In other sports, even an untrained eye can easily recognize a world class athlete when they're looking at them, especially at the Olympics. With Raygun, one felt like they were looking at a hobbyist, not an Olympian. Even our poor Canadian Olympics tennis team in the 90's didn't draw that reaction; spectators knew that they were watching world class athletes that were simply not as good as the top world class athletes. That's what the Olympics should embody - world class athleticism. Period.
Excellent perspective.
Yep. It's not that she was bad, it was as if she was just pretending. I would have expected that level of breaking from someone who had just watched a few hours of RUclips videos and practised some poses in the mirror. Because of this, to my mind, she came across as someone showing contempt for the art form. We know, we just do, that there are far better female breakers in Australia the her.
She is probably one of the reasons that breaking will not be in the Olympics in the foreseeable future. The sport has shown that it doesn't yet have the quality of competitors to be a viable option.
Great comment! Exactly, even to the untrained eye anyone could see that she isn't a dancer, period. It wasn't subjective, she just clearly lacks talent. She may love to do it, but that alone isn't enough.
Absolutely nailed it. Go 🇨🇦 and Ontario!
the untrained eye could see that Homer Simpson could take on Raygun at breakdancing
I hate that the dancers that actually did well aren’t getting the attention they deserve.
Ami was amazing and actually sad that Jilou and a lot of Senegalese breakers weren't allowed to compete due to a wacky rule set.
Most people don't watch the Olympics. They get updated about it from memes, so naturally the most meme-able people get the most attention.
Stop spread misinformation. Our dancer of Lithuania were delivering great performance. Check Nicka breakdancing dance.
@denveroidaslt4634 so great no one knows wtf you're talking about.
The reason there's so much attention on these dancers is because it's so embarrassingly bad.
This is Olympics and you have people showing up performing like they are still in the beginners tutorial class.
That woman danced like bugs under a rock that you lift up in the woods.
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I agree with Preach. I’m tired of the “everyone gets a trophy” mindset. There will always be someone who is more talented, but if you have a natural gift AND put in the required training, then you should compete. If not, then don’t waste people’s time.
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exactly
@TheeBlackSilhouette She did know that she didn't have the talent, she has competed in world championships and is low ranked. She is apparently high ranked in Australia so tells you how small the pool is that are entering these official competitions.
This is a quote from her wiki: She said she could not compete athletically with her younger rivals, and said she instead wanted to "move differently, be artistic and creative. ... I was always the underdog and wanted to make my mark in a different way".
@TheeBlackSilhouetteThat is the definition of a narcissistic character. She has no shame, it has nothing to do with self-confidence. If people have a manipulative and narcissistic character, they won't care about the world opinions.
The qualifying event was meant to include New Zealand. I'm a Kiwi and I know there's a strong street dance culture here with some very talented performers. Australia robbed these kids of a potentially life-changing opportunity and instead sent a woman who's performance was a joke. An absolute injustice!
I can sort of imagine New Zealand having a dance scene given what I've seen of their Maori culture . I believe you when you say that they probably could have found a Kiwi break dancer who would not have been an embarrassment. Better luck next Olympics. I hope whatever qualifying rules they have are fair to you guys.
On positive side here, the whole world now knew her (and her associates) corrupt schemes. She would be infamous, and hopefully make real performers get known
I am sad that our Indigenous dancers did not get a kook in, either. She was, well . Better suited to the wiggles or play school.
Kiwis would have brought some style and feel and rhythm.
I thought that she was making fun of how us Aussies can be shit dancers, and was shocked to find out she was real, not a parody.
See that's what I mean,as well they didn't look very hard to make sure they found the best female break dancer I am so sad cause I didn't even know breakdancing was gonna be a Olympic event I would have watched it and because they chose from a limited section of dancing communities they didn't are about this event in my opinion otherwise we would have made sure they found the best of the best from each New Zeland And Australia instead who ever informs on the events didn't search for the best just the best in probley 1 or 2 states over hear in Australia for all anyone knows they didn't let all our best break dancers know about it so how could the best one have the chance to show up for a shot at showing how good they are so sad they didn't take it seriously and chose poorly or trusted the wrong people to get the job done 😮
Why didn’t they go to Sydney to compete - it’s a short flight
5:38 I agree with Preach. it isn't about "not trying" it's acknowledging you're a Middle School level track runner, and you're going to compete and represent your entire country against D1 athletes. It's embarrassing for you, and for everyone you represent. It should never have happened.
Exactly. It would be fine if it were a local tournament -- you could learn from the loss. But it's literally the Olympics! It's embarrassing for your country. Aba's talking about 'giving your best' in the Olympics like it's an everyday event.
I also completely agree with Preach. This feels like signing up to a high level American Football trial when you've never played American football before or you've just (in her fashion) studied and watched the game. Only this time, it's representing your country. What I think is even worse is she can't acknowledge that her routine was garbage and accept the loss, she thinks there's a vendetta out to get her.
Couldn't agree more. It isn't about you when it comes to the Olympics. You represent your country, and National Pride should be a thing for every country. It isn't a weakness to know your limit or know your place in the world.
Yea, if you feel like you’re not going to win a single point don’t even think about stepping into the Olympics. Those are one of the rare events where winning is everything and you don’t get props for participation. Thats also fault on the qualifier judges for even letting this get pass to go in the Olympics.
@suitdoggy4707 but that's where abba's point comes in. It only happened because that's the only thing coming out of Australia. She did what everyone else did. She went to the tryouts, competed, beat everybody and that's the best the had. Preach is still right as well though. Both of them are
I agree with Preach. Raygun knew she didn’t have the ability. She loves the break dancing culture, but it’s a competition not a showcase. You don’t go out and dance in that setting if you don’t have the ability to compete.
You didn't showcase that neither 😂
@@gh0rochi363 HA HA hee ehh - you are about as funny as a dead clown. 🤡☠️
Aspirational delusional bubble people are in every walk of life--there is no way narcissists are going to disqualify or check themselves. It's the qualifying committee's responsibility to set and enforce the standards--they are at fault here.
Ofc she loves it, she has a PhD in it
Does she love breakdancing or does she love attention?
Someone on Instagram was trying to say that people are mad at Raygun because 'she showed up as her authentic self and most people are unable to do that'. Well, guess her authentic self is not skilled enough for the Olympics
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkk ppl go so far to justify stuff... Jesus!
Lol what?! Ppl are too soft, Olympics is about skill and technique and how much work you put in. This ain't a Hallmark movie. 😂
Her authentic seld is someone who doesn't dance very well
FOH. THEY ALWAYS CLOWNIN CULTURE SIT YO ASS DOWN SOMEWHERE.
@@Killer_TurnipSHE HAS NO FUCKIN SKILL THAT BULLSHIT IS NOT BREAKIN FOH GET SOME GLASSES THAT SHIT WAS WHACK
IN MY VIEW
Raygun did NOT get one single point from the Olympic Judges because.......Call it for what it is........Worse than HORRIBLE.
Yes. If there were a sh.t olympics, then yes, she qualified.
She can't dance and went to an elite world dance competition
I am 100% with Preach. I am not a dancer and don’t have rhythm for dancing. The issue is not she should have or shouldn’t have gone. The issue is she is not qualified for dancing as an Olympian standard. If her country doesn’t have better qualifiers to go then this event is not for them. All she did was literally look like a fish flopping on dryland. At home on the dance floor, at a party with your friends, by all means express yourself. But in a competition of that magnitude absolutely not.
I would agree that she shouldn’t have participated, but that’s for the country and athlete to decide right? You qualified for the spot, you’ve got a person, if they want to do it why not? I think this brings a very fair criticism of the qualification process. Clearly she was not qualified to be there, but that’s not on her or Australia. It’s on whoever said she was allowed to participate IMO.
@@mbrown7325she pulled some strings to get chosen (indirectly). Her husband became coach for the Australian team & one of the Olympics Committee member.
@@rebeccaliew2247 right so the issue is how she qualified. If they rework the qualification system the problem “should” go away.
It’s really hurtful to see a type of dance started in FBA culture. Now at the Olympic level, and not see the demographic or faces of the people who started it. I watched the best of the best and they all really suck!
Loooool that fish comment 😅😅
As a trained ballet/pointe dancer, I completely agree with Preach.
My sister was the dean director of dance at Rutgers, now she’s USCs president director whatever. She’s got some qualifications to have an opinion more than most people. I’m a surfer, so naturally I think what she does it childish jungle gym shit and am shocked she makes a few hundred though and a year and they paid for relocation fees of another few hundred thou. But hey, people and institutions support all sorts of weird childish stoopid shit 🤦♂🫣😆😆😆😆
By Olympic standards and regular standards, it was not good. There was nothing breaking in her routine.
Except her legs and tendons
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The only thing she broke was my confidence in humanity.
The only thing she broke is the culture 😂😂😂😂
heart breaking?
Breakdancing introduced to the olympics aaaaand it's gone. 🤣
as it should be. goofy dancers got trolled. 😂
@@coldacreyou look like older Raygun
Preach is correct: its one thing to know you might not win but still have the ability to compete, but to know you're not even in the same league of the competition and still be put on the same platform as the elite, is disrespectful to the competition and the audience. It should have never been up to her, she should have been screened and removed
This. It's also embarrassing to the country or cause you are representing, so best to abstain instead of risking bringing embarrassment to your country or cause. Tact
Agree !, she didn't belong in the same league, damen she didn't seem it was even in the same Sport!
It’s the Olympics. Apparently she was the best from her country, sadly, and she should get a chance to compete. Nobody says anything about a basketball team getting blown out by 60. Most people don’t realize that this happens in Track all the time. You just don’t see it because everybody only watches the Finals. She earned her spot and didn’t make it out of, what is essentially “Pool Play”. She still had a great experience and can always call herself an Olympian
I don't know. There was an archer who participated this year from Chad, who was 100% outclassed. He didn't win, but likewise, he qualified. That said, the country chooses its qualifications. Raygun was what they believed to be talented.
I agree
@0:41 By Olympic standards Ray Gun was trash??She was trash by the Street Dancing standards PERIOD!
She was trash by the standards of the untrained eye, also 😅😤
Oh! She was definitely hot basura by street standards.
she was doing white dad dancing.🤦♂️
@nickfry7839 that's exactly what I was thinking!🤣
@@nickfry7839I dunno after seeing that!60 year old white dad that break dance? He’s actually better than her 😂
She’s just like those white ladies in old videos in the 80’s and 90’s that badly attempts to teach people how to “dance hip hop style”. 💃🕺
I remember the one where the lady was rotating her hips and looking like she was going to snap in half
"THAT'S hip-hop" 😂😂😂😂
"just HIT IT"
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Shit even she was better than Raygun lmfaoo
You two are definitely right. I think where the Olympics screwed up was they did not have a cohesive standard for judgment. They had two different documents outlining what would be judged and they didn’t match and left too much to interpretation. I’m sure that influenced the judges in Australia to think that Raygun had something to bring to the international stage. I can’t think of a kinder explanation and I won’t speculate on hidden agendas. If you look at gymnastics, moves have specific scores. They should have built that into the judgment in some way, even if they had to have a separate competition that was called a technical round. Raygun talked a lot about her skills that could only be subjectively judged; her creativity or musicality. As a former ballerina, I can tell you that those qualities aren’t gonna get you far! Just skip all the years of training it takes to be able to do pirouettes, leaps, etc, and say, I’m working on that, but I think my creativity is strong? What an insult to dancers who work everyday for years to hone their bodies to reflect their genre. What hubris on her part. It’s really damn offensive. Break dancing has enough codification that they could have formalized the judging more: power moves, check; freezes; check. The unique dynamics of break dancing that make it such a joy to watch are subjective and can be judged in a separate way. The final competitions, melding those elements of creativity and skill, should be for the best of the best to compete in. Thankfully, we saw some amazing performances which I shall try to keep front of mind to block out the weird gyrations of a beginner in a baggy track suit rolling around the floor.
I’m just mad break dancing is just now in the Olympics. My uncle would have killed in the 80’s
😂😂😂😂 this killed me☠️
Too bad it was yanked for the 2028 Olympics in LA. It would have been a great homage to the era.
Is he still alive? because he could move to Australia and still have a chance.
Is He around? he could become an olympic coach 😂
He’s 55 now and doesn’t have the moves he once had, but if it pays good he’d definitely would coach people.
Rachel Gunn : I'm was an underdog.
Dogs : don't compare us with you.
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Dogs doing zoomies in the yard have much better skills 😂
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"She was thinking outside the box"... bro she did the fucking sprinkler....😅😂
And some kinda bunny hop nonsense... Honestly instant I saw that I felt I didn't need to know any more. I know NOTHING about break dancing but if you bringing the SPRINKLER to the Olympics you're not taking it seriously, you're memeing.
@@BlazingInferno00 kangaroo hop
@@AnaOhKay not sure that makes it better... In my mind the Olympics are for feats of strength and physical prowess NOT for artistic expression. When u watch a performance it's goal should be to IMPRESS the viewers. And I've been thoroughly impressed by break dancing before. Her performance did not impress me in the slightest. It literally looked like a joke
It was like a bad parody 😢
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This is the issue with the whole thing. Ive been an on and off bboy for 10 years, started in school was heavy with it, stopped when i joined the military aside from a small amount of practice when i had time. Got out, started breaking again, had a baby stopped breaking a lot and only practice when i have time. Thata where i am now. I have a LOT of family. They ALL know ive been breaking for a long time. They have never mentioned it or talked about it or known anything about it. After raygun was on stage they have all been talking about it as if thats what breaking is, mocking it, imitationg what she did, making jokes, saying breaking should never be in the olympics, its not a sport etc. The sport thing is always up for debate but basically she just defined breaking in the eyes of those that are ignorant of breaking. They dont mention Victor, they dont mention Logisticx or other female breakers that were awesome. My dad was literally kangaroo hopping around his house... breaking has been underground forever, we had a chance to come up, and she destroyed it with that disrespectful trash she did on stage
I have a somewhat closer perspective on this issue: I'm a former breaker from Aus and I was pretty active in the scene over the last decade or so, especially in Sydney. I've seen her husband break many times in real life.. and his style, while unique, does not translate to an international level required for this sport - it literally just comprises of unconventional but decent toprock, weird freezes, footwork (seriously weird), slides and next to no power moves, as if he is not athletic enough to perform them so he tries way too hard to be "original".
I truly believe Raygun was dancing to the best of her ability, but she would've learnt everything she knows from her husband (who introduced her to breaking when she was 20) which is why her style was incredibly wack and stood out like a sore thumb.
Though there have been false accusations about the judging panel, a lot of the blame does rest on him for facilitating and enabling her through this whole fiasco - he's been in the scene for well over a decade and should have 100% known she was no where near the level required for the olympics, yet he still hyped her up and deluded her into believing that she would be a proud representative for Australia, in a sport that was making its debut on the biggest and most competitive stage in the world.
There are so many talented up and coming breaker girls (who are actually athletic) around Australia who were never even aware that a qualifier for the olympics was being held, but would have jumped at the chance to represent Australia if they were.
Now the entire world is laughing at Raygun and she will never be able to live it down, and so much respect has been lost for breaking as a legitimate sport, even though breakers are some of the most athletic human beings on earth.
Such a god damn shame..
Aren't you just all smiles and rainbows
Breaking is getting the most attention possibly in its entire history right now
I think that saying that there is a "required standard" in a sport that based itself off of being different is a terrible thing entirely in itself
@@Ktmfan450only Ray Gun or her husband would make that comment 😅
@@Ktmfan450 You completely miss the point. Yes breaking is getting the most attention it ever has, but that attention is based around ridicule. Without this fiasco it would've gotten the most attention regardless just by being in the games, but it would've been based around prestige.
There is absolutely a required standard when you are an athlete in the literal Olympic Games. You are there to represent the best of the best in human physicality and athleticism - average people are not supposed to be able to replicate what you do without any prior training. The core issue is that Raygun and her husband took the position from someone who could have legitimately represented Australia and the sport of breaking.
Breaking started from rebellious roots, but movements evolve - and if you know anything about the breaking community then you'd know they have been petitioning for years to have the sport legitimised so that breaking can be a viable career path for future generations.
I'm not saying there isn't a place for having fun with breaking at a substandard level, it's just not on the world's biggest stage.
For real he must be wack AF. He really sent out his wife to the wolves like that.
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She would’ve won gold if the song she chose was “BOOTY QUEEF, JUST BOYZ BEING BOYZ!!!”
The DJ picks the music, did you even watch?
There's always one guy who doesn't get the joke.
When are they dropping the full track 😩
All the fu**ing time 😂@@enmanuel1950
@@jasonmacfarlund2703the joke flew over your head🙄
Her Husband was the judge for Oceania. She is also a member of the committee that judged it. I know because I'm from Sydney. Australia has plenty of none white bgirls, but only 15 women attended the trials; the actual people into breaking live in the poorer parts of Australia and couldn't afford to attend + they barely advertised it.
Finally some facts.
her husband was also given a $65000 grant to 'train' her for this crap....
complete grifters who should be forced to hand back the money to the taxpayers!
Cheers for your info as that explains a lot. I'm also an Aussie 🇦🇺(Melbourne) and couldn't believe that she was chosen to represent female breakdancers in Australia. The young girls who do break dancing at my daughter's dance school are genuinely more skilled and talented than her. But yes most of them aren't white. Most are from Asian or Pacifika backgrounds.
@@ThatGuy-ze5kkwhat !!!😡😡
Yeah I think I side more with Preach on that issue. Part of the reason the group is so small is because the people on the inside made it so small.
As an Australian myself, we do not claim her! I don't know how she got into the Olympics...
She singlehandedly changed how I view Australians from badass outback crocodile hunters to cringey dancers 🤣
She killed a kangaroo
😂😂😂😂😂
Then its time to know-Something is wrong . she got support from Au Olympic comettee.why and how?
I bet there are heaps of Aboriginal kids who will do better but they need it breakdancer with PhD
As a B Boy of 12 Years I agree 100% with preach's opinion.
She tried to break the rules without even knowing the rules.
She was not at an Olympic level... but was delusional enough to think she was and got a wake up call.
And yes she shouldn't have competed because she should've been aware of the competition and her level.
People asked me why I didn't at least tryout for the Olympics. And my response was legit
"Because I do not dance at an Olympic level" it's not about counting myself out but I only train 3 - 4 hours a week. These dudes like Phill wizard and Victor are training 3 - 4 hours a day. I wouldn't even waste my time trying to get into a competition of this level knowing they're there. Unless I was putting in the same work.
Now I'll pull up to a local jam/event but an OLYMPIC competition? nah I'd be wilding
The saddest thing about this is it doesn't take someone specifically within the Break community to see this.
This is an early, entry-level personal lesson in just about every competition, usually learned at the lower tiers of any competitive sport, and even then it can be embarrassing.
This wasn't just some happenstance with the AUS team. Someone dropped the ball so badly, a corruption inquiry I think is needed. This entire Olympics has been a farce at the official level.
"Tried to break the rules before knowing them" doesn't she have like a PhD in breakdance?
It's also not her just representing herself or her hometown or maybe her state/province. This is *worldwide* - that's crazy hubris to step up to the international stage with that skill level and knowingly embarrass your entire country. It's one thing to choke, it's another to say "I deserve to be up there" while not even having passed the threshold to that peak. She did this for herself without regard to how it would embarrass what/who she was representing.
I was about to type something to that effect too. If you don't put in Olympic work, haven't got the skills yet or haven't trained your body to the best it can be knowing it can't compare to other performers why not step down and speak out to give other people a chance who can..and if there really is no one its ok to sit out a season or to be content with your skills and respect those of others.
Like Aba is right in any other kind of situation but I really think something like the Olympics is different because people there are at their peak, they sweat blood and salt everyday to be their best, for them it isn't a case of being lucky or going to try to be tenacious. No one there is there on the power of sheer tenacity without hard work backing them.
@@necromaster998 Yeah honestly when she said that in the interview. It really just went in 1 ear 👂 and out the other for me.
No disrespect to her for the work she put in to get the degree though. 💯
But it's Becuase breaking doesn't work like that. You can study breaking/b boying on paper all day.
You can learn the names of all the moves, know all the hand placements, foot placements etc. But If you are not on that FLOOR busting your ass for hours and hours every week you will not really understand the dance and you won't progress.
And you will never understand where and when to break the rules. She says she's been breaking for 12 years as well but her skill level is indicative of someone who's been breaking for 6 months. Not trying to be rude or funny. But that is legit how b boys/b girls that are within their first 6 months of learning dance.
Australia would have done better getting a kangaroo that was still draggy after getting tranquilized to compete in the Olympics.
🤣🤣🤣
As a professional Bboy it’s really disappointing and annoying that Rayguns took the shine away from literally all of the dancers. Medalist like my good friend Victor will never get there credit he deserves. Sure… I guess props to Rayguns for putting herself out there but sometimes Self-awareness is important for the betterment of everyone involved. She shouldn’t have been on that stage considering the current stain she’s put on the other competitors, true hip-hop culture and the entire Breaking Community💯
No its not props to her. She did more damage to breakdancing in the olympics than any of the good that could have come out of this.
It already wasnt seen as something that should have been there in the first place but now she cemented it as a meme.
We have to stop giving "props" to people for doing stupid stuff just for the sake of doing stupid stuff.
No props to her, shes cancer.
@@blklightning21 Fact
@@blklightning21 I have no experience or knowledge of break dancing and the only thing I've ever seen of it is Rayguns dancing. That being my only exposure does make it seem like a joke. I took the time to watch the finals and it is a night and day difference. It would be like having two inexperienced people fighting in a cage and calling it MMA.
Victor that dude! The event was amazing non the less other than that one set back.
There was lady called Raygun,
Who thought breakdancing was fun.
She hopped and she rolled,
And then she got trolled,
Then back to Australian she ran!
This reminds me of a time when my friend used to make $100,000 a year in college by spending hours each day finding scholarships that were extremely rare and had no one applying for them. He was white, and I was pretty upset when he told me he won $20,000 from a scholarship meant for struggling Black fathers. He was white with no kids, but since no one else applied, and he wrote about how having both parents and a Black cousin made him aware of the issue, he won. I found out because if they don't spend the money, they don't get it the next year. It's considered a loss, and if you lose a certain amount, you won't get funding anymore.
What!!!!!???? This is WILD perfect example but thats just.. NO wtf
I had a ex very wealthy white friend who used to lie in order to get assistance for college. Her parents paid for anything it’s not like she had to. She filled out forms that pretty much said she’s a person of color and needs help for x and y reasons. When she told me that I genuinely got upset because she’s taking opportunities away from people who actually need it. I reported her for that and her uni kicked her out she had MANY choice words for me
You seriously didn't know that 😂😂😂😂 thats how it's been forever. They have to spend the money even if it's on a pineapple that is carved up as a human on top of a dummy
@@mackiemark5149big if true, and we'll give you a snitch pass 😂
@@mackiemark5149 I hope you got stitches 🪡🪡🪡🪡
RayGun simulated what it looks like when a roach gets showered with Raid Killer!!!
😅😂😅😂😅😂THE comment section
the cat video comparison is unmatched
😂don't disrespect roaches🤨🤣🤣🤣
So it was actually interpretive dance, not break dance 💀
looked more like an interpretive modern dance about a kangaroo getting bit by a snake and dying a slow death.
You'd think a person with a PhD in cultural studies would understand how offensive it is to do interpretive modern dance in place of hip-hop. It would be like going to a Salsa dance competition, only to start tap dancing on stage.
She wasn't even breaking bad.
she is a professor at macquarie university, the association that dealt with selection for olympics got their big break from her by introducing a macquarie university partnership with that association. Seems very obvious that this is some sort of favour for a favour arrangement. She definitely was directly involved in that corruption.
SMDH
There are people at the Olympics every year who are unqualified. Usually, there's a good reason they're there. They are typically from a country where even just participating in an accomplishment. There was an archer from Chad who came in dead last. He taught himself archery. It was an inspiring story. He was the 2019 Africa Cup bronze medalist, but Archery isn't popular in Africa, so coming in 3rd on the continent 5 years ago doesn't make you all that good, just like Raygun now. But his story is inspiring. He's one of 3 athletes from the country. She's from Australia, a perennial powerhouse of Olympic medals, #2 nation in the world in swimming. REALLY not the same thing.
'she won the qualifiers' of the organisation that she and her husband started. And that only had like 20 members. Which she was the only one showing up at all the events. Hence had the most points.
hence so she was blowing the judge
Dude except that is utter misinformation, which utter discredit yourself if you blindly repeat it. The husband was not the judge, she didn't "start" the organisation, the judges are reputable with no link to her. And the organisational requirement .. apparently the membership fee is just less than $80 dude.
Lack of publicity and having to travel far if your are in area like Perth may be a bigger factor but that is common for other sports. So you literally has nothing to stand on
It is as aba and preach saud, their standard are trash there.
@@Jinkypigs Where did I say he was the judge? The dance federation only had a ballroom dance department. So they quickly formed a breakdance department. Only 15 people competed in it. She turned up in all the qualification sessions. So, she 'won'. Do you really think Raygun is the best breakdance girl in oceania?
How was this NOT rigged.
@@baskoning9896the qualifiers are online. Watch them and see the competition
@@baskoning9896 A qualification event where 15 people showed up, and she won it. in front of an international panel of judges. neither she nor her husband had anything to do with the judging, and they didn't create the organising organization.
As an Australian, who grew up with hip hop, sugar hill gang through to wu- tang , she has abused the system. I’m sorry our country has become a joke and insults the b boy breaking community.
She is a full time student, university lecturer who has never left university. is a doctor in feminist breakdancing.
They started a dance studio, had a breakdancing contest that wasn’t widely advertised. The judges included her husband, and their students. Then they lobbied the Australian Olympic Committee informing them they have ticked all the boxes. The committee let her through,
She has been given over quarter million dollars in research grants and tax funds, studying street spaces for street dance.
And finally she gets free tickets, accommodation to Olympic Games.
Corruption is an understatement…it is a crime that people love to scam the system .
Arrest her for fraud
A doctor in feminist break dancing WTF😂
the jokes on the australian taxpayer........................again!
This is the more accurate take. I've seen busking dancers on the street and performers in local shopping centers here in Australia that are better.
Her husband was her coach, not the judge. Otherwise, I agree her and her org unfairly gamed the system.
Raygun killed it 🎤 dropped 👋
There is a bit of corruption underneath this. It would seem Raygun used a combination of nepotism and public influence to get that slot on the AUS team ahead of far more legitimate potential competitors. Already there is public outcry over this.
Rachel Gunn is a relative unknown in the Breaking community in Australia. She was an academic dance teacher who recently married a Breakdancer known as 'Samuel Free', who claimed a knee injury kept him from competing himself. He seems to have connections however which had Gunn selected over more legit competitors, according to some accusations. I cannot find videos of him dancing, nor competing, however The Sun claims "He's been dancing from an early age, and has a number of titles to his name." Something seems off here.
People are wondering how Gunn was selected over 'G Clef' and 'Holy Molly', two local Australian Breakdancers who are widely known, and considering Gunn did a more proper routine upon returning to Australia, people are now wondering if she blew the event on purpose. She's never going to hear the end of it if the IOC refuses to reintroduce Break in 2028 and beyond.
They already said Break won't be in LA 2028
@@marty7442 Molly definitely beat her in the qualifier and was robbed.
Raygun got her doctorate in breakdancing with a thesis claiming breakdancing is sexist against women. So imagine if they make qualifiers and the talent is so utterly poor by the female athletes that Australia doesn’t send women, this should have happened but Raygun would use this to further claim women aren’t given opportunities and no doubt use it to slander the breaking community and the Australian Olympic federation. The best thing that could have happened, happened. Australia let it run its course and FINALLY reality slapped this woman in the face. Her entire career schtick (like many others) is the whole “I’d be great if I were just given the opportunities”. They use this to steal grants and opportunities just enough whereby they still can claim victimhood and live under this frame permanently doing it over and over. It’s be like a cowardly cocky man saying he’d be the best soldier on earth if he were just given the opportunity to go to war but alas there are no wars. Well, you’ve been deployed bud. That’s what happened to Raygun and it’s damn beautiful
Right. Hard to believe all of Australia and that was their best.
There is a video of her husband breaking, he looks much like she looks, maybe a bit worse.
If breaking is going to be in the Olympics it needs to be scored like other Olympic events that are similar like gymnastics, ice skating, etc. This means there is a point value to certain moves and a technical round where you have to show that you can do those moves after that you can add whatever artistic stuff you want for bonus points. This would have automatically excluded Raygun from qualifying right off the bat and if no one else in the competition could pass the criteria they wouldn't have advanced either. It at least would give it a bar for what would be considered Olympic level.
6:40 Respectfully, that's not what Preach is saying🤦🏾♀️. Hes Not talking about getting beat really bad among 2 equal competitors. He's talking about purposefully, putting a baby in a boxing ring. Novices have no business purposefully entering a competition for best in the world. Not that if you are appropriately skilled you shouldn't try. She knew she didn't even know the style so she decided to perform a completely different one. Thats not the spirit of competition, either. It's like, if I competed against Simone Biles, but because I don't know the first thing about being a gymnast, I start to Bachata my floor routine. It's an insult to those who've spent four years training 1 skill just to be able to compete it at the Olympics level. Only to find out the gold medal went to someone who wasn't even doing gymnastics. He's not talking about Raygun being Jordan Chiles competing against Biles. He's comparing Raygun to me.😂 Me doing west coast swing at a gymnastics competition is not shooting my shot. She should've had enough respect for herself, her country, and dance, to say I'm not gonna insult you; I'm not even putting my hat in the ring.
Problem is, if you look at her reaction to all this, you know it would be pointless to reason with her. She`d just call you a misogynist.
I was gonna come here to say this. Just because she was the “best of the bunch” doesn’t mean she is OLYMPIC material. Exactly like you said, if all you have is babies to fight in your boxing tournament, don’t send the poor baby to embarrass themselves. Simply acknowledge there are no Olympic level athletes that qualified and move on. She didn’t need to be up there in the first place.
@@thelifeofmaryd.2494 if they’re equal competition, then neither team would get blown out. It happens all the time though. There are tournaments based off giving the underdog a chance. FA Cup, World Cup, March Madness. How is this any different? She qualified by a trash conference, then got beat down by a Power 5 school
To add to that: Simone may have trained her yurchenko double pike for 4 years. But, to learn the yurchenko at all she had to build skill from whenever she started gymnastics, with basic vaults then handspring vaults to build up to yurchenko's (which IMO as a gymnast are the hardest vaults). Raygunn trained 37 minutes for her performance, but Simone and others likely worked at least 6 years just to get the basic vault before adding flips or twists to it.
@@JustinGrant IDK about the other events you mentioned, but having graduated from a D1 school I was into March Madness and went to every game. There was no team in the Sweet 16 that I would compare to Raygunn. These are D1 athletes that have been training longer than 37 minutes for their moment. The competitor didn't even compete the required basic components. Regardless of comparisons Raygunn has damaged her sport with her participation and I really hope that the Olympics will put more effort into ensuring that all sports have "an olympic standard" before injecting countries participants onto a world stage to embarrass the sport.
There is an outcry here in Australian because the indigenous Australians in the Northern Territory were not given the opportunities to compete for the Olympic qualifiers. Just because you have the phd it does to mean you can leverage yourself into the Olympics. There were people who weren’t given the chance she was and she can’t break dance at the standard one needs, this is corruption in the systems leading to the highest level competitive sport, the best of the best. I hope this opens up the conversation into actually equality and fairness in the Olympic qualifiers.
I read Raygun denied funding to a NT team. Is this correct?
omg i would’ve loved to see a breakdancing interpretation of aboriginal culture, like music and dance. that literally would’ve been amazing to see and share the culture of an often overlooked group.
@@memuzzi1 : That one should go towards Anna Mears, and possibly Gunn's husband who is evading the media.
yeah I dont buy that there arent extremely talented aussie dancers its just they prob are just regular people and dont know how to get in through the rigamarole
They have a gas huffing, paint slurping, sleep in the middle of the road competition at the Olympics?
Trained dancer here in multiple genres, hip hop, house, bboy, ballet, contemporary, jazz, tap, salsa.
Raygun performance was appalling. That is why there is a minimum standard, if a country does not have even one person up to standards, then don't send any.
There is a need for a standardized qualifying criteria that every qualifying organization can agreed on.
And there's this corruption and conflict of interests involved which makes it even worse. now there's a petition to make Raygun and Anna Meares accountable for the biased qualifying selection.
Essentially the Australian citizens paid her and her husband for a holiday to France.
My childhood was spent in NY going to B-Boy battles all over the city with my older brother and his crew. I am what you could call a practicing historian of break dancing. I respect you do your dance thing but you don't really know anything about breaking. It was more than dance it was a evolving culture. What we witnessed at the Olympics wasn't breaking and what dancers think breaking today isn't breaking. They have a very watered down basic understanding of the most simplistic elements and styles of break dancing.
@@o0oGhsto0o I know its a culture from bronx, from hip hop culture back then. You can't possible know me based on just a few words, and proceed to make wrong assumptions.
I am not even talking about bboy in general, so why even the need to tell me those? are you just trying to show off that you know a lot about bboy? I said what i said in the context of raygun and olympic 2024.
If they can score Surfing, they can score Dancing.
@@loufrost824 sure. scoring matrix can always be created. all dance competitions and olympic competitions already have scoring. that's not the point. the point is standardization.
If you can standardise gymnastics, water aquatics, you can standardise breaking. Idk anything about breaking but common sense dictates that you have a certain number of standardised categories which in order to qualify for the Olympics, you need to achieve a certain score on. In the same way that for a track and field athlete to qualify for the Olympics, they need to have a certain time or score ie. Below 10.5 in 100m or above 70m in javelin (mens)
OMG I’ve been waiting for real dancers commentary on this!!! Thank you
All these people claim she was so qualified is gaslighting 101. It's an insult to the art of breakdancing and hurt it.
Yea I get what homie was sayin about if you qualify for your region do you just not go? Yes, if that means going and bringing shame to your country and sport, you stay your ass home.
Australian officials are world class at gaslighting.
0:26 How y’all both dancers yet we never got a dance battle between you two. I think y’all scared.
I second this one we deserve a dance battle and we'll name it BOYZ BEING BOYZ✊️😡
I agree
😂😂😂😂
You tryna start beef 😂
😂
I remember in the Winter Olympics there was a US women's half pipe skier who basically coasted all the way to the Olympics by not doing any tricks and just doing safe little airs, baaarely out of the pipe. She basically made it because her parents were rich and jet-set her to every qualifier event they could, where she would do this strategy of not doing any tricks but finishing. The problem was how half pipe is scored, where if you make a mistake you lose a ton of points, but if you just air and don't do anything you get a few points, so if all the girls put it all on the table but faulter even once then she could still finish 3rd or whatever... She made it all the way to the Olympics doing that. It's like... what was the point? To make it all the way to the highest level of the sport and get made fun of for not doing any tricks? Why would you want to do that? I think the problem is with how these events are qualified. At the Olympics they just need someone to throw the qualifier points out the window objectively look at each contestant and say, "is this person at the skill-level of this event?" If not, doesn't matter, you just get cooked, go cry about it in your room or whatever.
So sort of correct. She made it to the olympics by qualifying under Hungary - who had no other athletes in that event (iirc?), and she technically qualified due to placing top 30 in World Cup events, which rarely have that many contestants. There was also a combination of rules where 1 country was limited on how many competitors they could send per sport (so it limited the qualified people even more, e.g. US had 6 they could send for half-pipe, but could only send 4 of those 6), injuries that happened, and an IOC rule that balanced the number of men and women they could send (max of 26 with up to 14 men or 14 women for freestyling events). So yes, she did purposely game the system, since she knew she couldn't qualify for the US team, and she also tried but failed under Venuezela (her mother's country) in 2014, she went with Hungary (her grandparents' ancestry). The IOC did say they were changing the qualification process for that event due to this.
Yes I remember her. People like that have no shame.
There's something satisfying about the way these guys argue. I appreciate it! The way they're straight-forward with each other and they hold their ground
Australia shouldn't have participated, period!
The fact she blamed it on men 😂😂 nah she cooked w the kangaroo hop tho
Bro she’s taking the piss, settle down and go booty queef.
Of course she blamed men. She always has.
Everything is men's fault. Unless it's a good thing.
How could she possibly blame men?
Wait, what? How exactly did she dance her way to that conclusion?
She looks like she escaped from Jet Set Radio but forgot her skates and spray cans
A man of culture
damn... that brings back some memories...
Such a person of culture.....this made my day lol
Anyone else illegally burned CD’s for Dreamcast games..? 😂🎉🎉🎉
Holy shit what a throwback
I agree with preach I think a better way of putting it would be you wouldn’t have a featherweight fight a heavyweight in the spirit of competition. Stay in the realm of your skill until you’re ready
Problem is, if she doesnt go after winning her qualifier, one of the many people she defeated on her way to winning the tournament would have gone in her place and they LOST TO HER. Either way, if it wasnt her it would have been someone else, thats why this is an organizational issue. That australian qualifier tournament should have never happened.
@@AbaNPreachthe fact she had the audacity to think she was CLOSE to good enough. She FAFO, and got humbled back to where she belongs…
Closer to the bottom.
Pin of discussion
Maybe it's just that Australia should have never had a spot for women's.
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@Aba & Preach this will explain
🇦🇺 Breakdance studies paid by taxes.
She does academic research of the "cultural politics of breaking".
Her PhD thesis focused on "the intersection of gender and Sydney's breaking culture".
As a Australian we apologise for this.... Thing
preach is right on this. She shouldn't have competed when she was so far off the norm. Honestly, her performance single handedly killed break dancing from olympics forever.
Breakdancing doesn't belong there anyway
The people saying she's an inspiration are delusional. She made a mockery of it. I couldn't feel more indifferent about breakdancing, and I felt nothing but sheer embarrassment
@@St4rTr3v1Ut10n and that's why she is an inspiration to many people.
Exactly there was real consequences for her actions. Also very shady she won the qualifiers.
She shamed an entire point out of the Olympics. Is that a flex? Lol
You’re the first to address this subject with the proper context, language, knowledge, and understanding. Too many people speak on it without the necessary background or insight. Thanks for your thoughtful perspective!
0:49 Olympic standards? Random kids on the street dance better than this on concrete.
Facts. I've seen streetkids and street performers do better.
She coulda came out and done a damn lil tiktok dance, and that wouldve been better then what she did.
I'm a purist...if it can't be timed or measured...it's out. Absolutely no judges doing point scoring.
@@BWolf00just because you can’t keep up with her style doesn’t mean it’s unmeasurable. Skill issue, mate
@@ronaldcatullus Sure thing, they just shouldn't be Olympic "sports", just like synchronized diving, synchronized swimming, ball room dancing or break dancing. What's next Olympic eating?
"YOU NEED TO KNOW RULES BEFORE YOU BREAK THEM '' one of the best quote
She didn't break dance, she 'broke' dance.
😂😂😂😂
As a '78 Bronx kid, I originally didn't find it funny and thought that isht performance was disrespectful. I had to turn away from that mess. 🤬😡🤬😡🤬 Absolutely bloody criminal.
Disrespectfull to black culture
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Bronx kid here too, I agree she NEVER should've been there.
Disrespectful AF!
A bronx kid using bri’ish words like bloody??? Love from 🏴
"You have to learn the rules before you can break them" is the greatest advice I ever got, especially as someone in a more creativity-focused profession. It's phenomenal life advice that'll serve you well if you take it to heart.
Also, a lot of the Olympic categories are wildly corrupt. There's a ton of greasing of palms and political bs that massively impacts a large number of Olympic categories - especially the ones that don't get as much attention from the public eye.
Someone said to that to me, as well. Still true! ✊🏾
So true (senior emergency nurse)
I got a great example.
When i took music theory classes, we were told certain rules. One person of the class notice bach(yes, that bach) broke some of them.
My teachers response was "well, when you can composed like bach, you can break them too".
“Poor artists ignore the rules, good artists follow the rules, great artists break the rules, and the best artists make the rules.”
She reminds me of people who are told they are good singers and then we all watch them on shows like The Voice 😮
The only B-girl that ended up on the platform who was paired against Raygun was Nicka who won Silver. And she was the 2023 world champion and was favored to win the gold at the start of the 2024 games.
Out of all the RUclipsrs and platforms that talked about the subject, you guys have the most grounded and accurate accounts to the situation. Even shutting down the fake info regarding ray guns online. You guys actually watched the whole competition which most people commenting on it did not. Thank you for even sharing the names of some of the better dancers in the competition.
I would hope you guys could speak more about just the event as a whole if you get the time.
Fact that this BS took away from the actual highly skilled Bboys & Bgirls is the biggest problem. Bgirl Logistix killed it....
I’ve heard this called “Princess Syndrome”, and it’s a good title for it from what I see. We see it with some Swifties as well… people that can only see themselves (or someone they see themselves in) as only ever being a “hero” or a “victim”. She truly seems to believe that she is “good”, because she decided to change the standard to be what she wants it to be(one that favors her), instead of adhering to the existing standard. BUT then if you don’t like it, “you must be a misogynist, or you’re jealous!” (This then fuels the social movements to further support her)
This mentality is scary and it comes from having an abundance of privileged opportunity, but with no accountability or expectations to match. We can’t sit and tell young girls that they can “do or be anything they want”, but at the same time, have no expectations for how they then participate. In fact, this is called “prejudice of lowered expectations” and this is why it’s not a good thing!
She has now subsided in delusion(due to the ideological and nebulous favoritism she’s received), and only surrounds herself with those whom will validate her delusions(and it’s mind blowing how many will). They then all protect her from ever having to face reality. It’s really pretty scary actually, even for her own sake! Especially when people like this gain a position of “power”, and then gate-keep opportunity with, and for, their own delusional equity… the fact that this happened at the Olympics should be concerning to everyone. It is likely happening all over at this point and it’s very dangerous!
5:30 I think I agree with Preach more here. I've competed before in bodybuilding and powerlifting, and been good enough to hold my own on a local level. At some shows I've attended, there are people with AWFUL physiques in terms of being stage ready. Well done for having the ambition to compete, but you just aren't there yet. Take a step back, adjust your approach, and come back when you're ready. Equally, I would not compete in a national comp, because I am not at all at that level. Yes encouraging people to get involved is great and is definitely the right thing to do, but we should also encourage people to have realistic expectations. I'm not anywhere near the Mr Olympia stage, and this girl arguably shouldn't have been at the Olympics in her sport either.
I agree with you. If you are someone who believes in the process, then you shouldn’t put yourself in that situation. I just started training in MMA and I’m a child compared to anyone my demographic at the gym. I’m not planning on competing but I know to get to any level I will have to start with the basics and would never sign up to potentially give myself brain damage in under a minute. Starts with knowing yourself
I agree with you. If you are someone who believes in the process, then you shouldn’t put yourself in that situation. I just started training in MMA and I’m a child compared to anyone my demographic at the gym. I’m not planning on competing but I know to get to any level I will have to start with the basics and would never sign up to potentially give myself brain damage in under a minute. I feel bad for her but she could’ve saved herself the embarrassment
Come on guys. So a country of 25 million raised on American culture had no one better than Ray Gun? Our Aboriginal population would disagree. Ray Gun was NOT our best.
THIS!!!!!
Contest was rigged. Her husband was a judge. Friends participated in the “competition”. The good people didn’t know where to go to compete for a spot.
Look at the qualifiers y’all are trash break dancers sorry. She was the best out of the worst
Raised on British culture. The American culture is only within the last 30 years.
@@Snoop_Dugg well most of these Olympic dancers are under 30.....
I like Preach's point around the 6 min mark. It's not that you shouldn't compete if you're not confident in winning - it's that you shouldn't enter a competitive environment in which you have NO business being. Imagine telling some kid with 3 weeks of Karate experience to enter a Blackbelt competition. That's straight up child abuse. It's not that the kid's unlikely to win, it's that the kid is GOING to embarrass themselves at the expense of the integrity of the competition and sport as a whole.
agreed i just dont think he articulated it well
Bro it worked in the Karate Kid!! Jk xD
Except thats not what happened.
Imagine that kid entered a continental competition and then won, a compeition judged by internationally chosen judges, etc. etc. Usually when you try to use a simile or metaphor, it should at least be remotely similar.
@@PBMS123 sorry high school was so difficult for you
I didn't see this performance, until it showed up on the internet.
What you said was key, when the competition is that limited, titles can be misleading.
I remember being mesmerized, by some of the moves breakdancing seemed to produce, from back in the 1980's.
On some level, watching this was sad, because somebody else, more qualified, didn't get to be there, because she, and others, whose skill sets did not seem up to par, were.
As a Filipino-Australian, her performance was horrible. Regardless of how she got there, she decided to TROLL once she realized she can't win. Which is unsportsmanlike. Also, if she knew she wasn't good enough to compete, why bother going? She just wanted to go to a paid trip to Paris Olympics. She could have given the spot to someone else.
Many countries don't have many athletes, and their athletes struggle to get support and funding. She is a waste of funding and opportunity if she is not even going to try her best.
For sure lots of swimmers and runners would know they probably won't win bronze, but they still try their best for their country.
In Summary:
1. Wasted opportunity, resources and tax payer money.
2. Unsportsmanlike behaviour
3. Lowkey disrespected other competitors by not taking it seriously.
4. Disrespected breakdancing by not taking it seriously.
5. Probably tried to hide how bad she is by saying she was just trolling.
6. Only thought of herself competing. Didn't think she was representing her country.
7. Gives "first world privilege" energy.
Australia can't even redeem itself since there's no breakdancing in LA Olympics. Preferred if she failed but still genuinely tried her best.
I`ve seen kids do better down the local Westfields, no way she got there on merit.
@@loufrost824 yep for sure there are better people out there.
I had this "what a mad lass" view of her trolling (because it was clear that was what was going on) where I respected the audacity. Now that I know her husband was involved in the judging and selection process, yikes!!! I'm sure there was someone better in Australia!!
Regardless of the process that got her there, her attitude was disrespectful and the look her on her face was so smug. Allegedly she is doing this for her academia. It's abuse of privilege to turn this into interpretive dance and then make it all about yourself.
I agree!!
I love how they disagree it is so refreshing seeing that it is okay to disagree. To many people forgett that option.
Raygun was moving like a fish out of water
Shorty’s dancing like a child throwing a tantrum.
JoJo Siwa lookin ahh 🦘🦘🦘
The layers of this comment lol
Fish outta water, the kangaroo hop....I get it, she was doing a routine for all animals.
Muddy Mudskipper
You have to learn the rules first before you break them, then you are a visionary and get respect. Well said
She joined the competition during her lunch break from working at Subway
😭😭
Bahahahahahaha
I agree with PREACH, she definitely should have abstained. At the end of the day, this breakdancing category has become a spotlight on her and not the competition itself. It gave the comp press but took it away from the folks that worked hard to be there.
The irony is that she said she loved that sports so much, but by inserting herself into the olympic games instead of abstaining from it, she ruined it for everyone.
The problem in my opinion is that she even tried out. Her delusional is absolutely titanic
You made some very good points. As you say dance takes training and has criteria. I come from Tasmania, Australia. Tasmania is a small state with a small population. My son (besides going to dance lessons) was involved with a community youth group that had access to free break dance lessons for teens offered by volunteers as part of their program. We went to check it out and we saw some awesome performances by some of the group. Put it this way, they run rings around Raygun. Some of the kids were also into gymnastics and other styles of dance, and had been experimenting with dance since they were 6 years old. I know there are some very good break dancers in Australia. I suspect that many do not have supportive parents, confidence and/or the financial resources to be able to travel and compete at an elite level. Formal lessons and coaching is financially impossible, and most parents that can afford it are working so hard they do not have time to nurture their kids talents. Then there's unemployment, and sadly there are some kids who are ignored and neglected. The only physical culture offered in public schools is football, basketball and team sports, that do not encourage engagement in physical activities after kids leave school. Also, this narrow view doesn't give kids who have talent in dance etcetera, to even discover it. Dance in Australia is reserved for the entitled, unless the parents are extremely dedicated and buy their furniture from the op shop and forgo all the mod cons (my life for ten years). Parents need time and money to go to competitions. It is very sad to think about all the talent that falls through the cracks. When the rich kids are 99 percent the source of talent that we see, we are not able to see most of the talent, which breads mediocracy.
Considering she did things to block other dancers from having this opportunity she absolutely deserves the public dragging and she absolutely did a lot wrong.
I think what Preach was trying to say at 6:45 is that she shouldnt have been there because what she was doing seemed like a mockery of the sport?
no, I think he's just saying she should have had the self awareness to know that she wasn't at that high standard yet. Most people, when they go to the Olympics hope to come away with a medal, a WR/OR, a NR or at least a PB/SB. She wasn't even close to getting a PB, to improving on her last performance, that's why Preach is saying she shouldn't have gone.
And I agree.
That and she was there for the publicity. I get what aba was saying but he's wrong on this one. Yeah teams should show up and try even if the know they gonna loose. Just don't, at all, think that's the case here. Just don't believe she was a legitimate candidate from the outset. Regardless, and maybe it's not true, but I'd heard her husband was a judge to get her in... smells like fish to me
Incidentally, they were both on point to the wrap up
I learned the same thing in TV production classes. Some of my classmates wanted to edit like they were working for MTV, but we were also told that we need to learn the rules before we can try to break them.
I want to thank you guys so much for shedding light on this matter from the angle that I believe is correct "she fell through the cracks". I was immediately interested in the case, even though I neither do braking, nor am I particularly interested in the Olympics. But the Olympics have always been an arena where amateurs have participated from time to time, and many times they have achieved extreme popularity, such as the Jamaican bobsleigh team and Eddy the Eagle. But there are also many others. At the start, ALL criticism was aimed at the selection process, and not at her as a person, but eventually there has been so much criticism of her, where much of it is pure malicious hatred, and especially from the braking environment that I have been about to give up braking as a sport. But then I see that there are actually also many who see the problem from the angle that is, in my opinion, correct. She took the plunge and took part, even though she knew she wouldn't win. If someone is going to criticize her for something, it is if she herself has been part of what has made the selection problematic, especially the influence she or her husband has had on the way the events were set up, etc. I think it is obvious that there are better breakers from Australia than her, so how did it happen that she went to the Olympics, and not any of them. Eddy the Eagle was the only practicing ski jumper from England, and there wasn't exactly a big bobsleigh community in Jamaica.
Raygun gives me hope that anything is possible in this wacky world.
If you're White😎💅🏿 #GreatWhiteHope🤣😂
Boys! As an Australian with friends in the scene who run dance comps, I can tell you with 100% certainty that Raygun is not the best Australia has to offer. She's not even C-Tier. The problem is, the Girls with the moves dont enter comps. 90% of them (in sydney specifically) teach kids either through social/community work (both paid amd voluntary) or in formal classes. I can guarantee that if amyone from even the Oceania qualifiers battled the girls I know, it wouldnt even be a competition.
So how can it be that the Olympics aren't on the radar of the real B-girls?
I can't understand how this even happens?
Now Breakdance is the laughing stock in Australia, no?
@@JorisVDC It's like if the USA was looking for basketball stars, and selection process involved limiting the search to rural Montana and never letting anyone elsewhere know it was going on.
@@JorisVDC olympics are fake bullshit, kids on the street know this, theyre not that stupid, olympics is a faked rich people game
@@JorisVDCthe above comment already said what I was about to say about the weird qualifying process. I am from Melbourne and event thought I am not in BD scene but I know/seen way too many girls who are miles better than her . When I watched her live I was so shocked but somehow I convinced myself the whole thing was a joke or a protest of some kind , than when I came to terms with that was her trying her best I was furious as to how she even got there 😡.
You make a good point. I was involved in gymnastics since I was 3 and competing from beginners levels to being on a competitive team. Gymnastics has an organization (USAG) in which training from very young ages and qualifications for competing minimal standards is the same across the country. You have local and state competitions with standards as you move up levels. Then there's a national junior and senior team who have paid training to ensure they are internationally competitive, and a selection process for national and international meets. Maybe break dancing is different, but it seems like there needs to be more organization and higher standards. There shouldn't be any olympic competitors for any sport perior who train 37 minutes for a performance. Most gymnasts are training by age 6 at the latest, and that's late. It's a year round sport so there are no seasons off. Not saying break dancing has to be that way, but there should be a level of excellence for a sport to be included in the Olympics.
As a person who grew up in that era when it started in the late 70 we called Rock in NYC.Rock steady crew and other crews that pioneered it.This is a disgrace.
Agreed! Not sure why Rock Steady was not involved. A true disgrace
@@jannahumar336 beacause two of them are dead from gang violence , the other 3 probably want nothing to do with it
Looked more like an interpretive modern dance about a kangaroo getting bit by a snake and dying a slow death on stage.
You'd think a person with a PhD in cultural studies would understand how culturally offensive it is to do interpretive modern dance in place of hip-hop. It would be like going to a Salsa dance competition, only to start tap dancing on stage.
She wasn't even breaking bad. Toddlers on a sugar high dance like that.
@@abram730 which proves the old point. You can’t learn hip
Hop in class. It’s street entrepreneurship. Not college degree material. She’s no more Hip Hop than I am Santa Claus. 😂😂
@@adecfc1 Yep, it's also a state of mind, and culture. Things you need to be in the state of mind to understand. Many things get spoken about in code or metaphor. It's not meant to be easy to learn.
She didn't even learn the basic rhythms.
You need to know the rules before you break them.
The fact I needed someone to talk about this because of how much it frustrated me and it was you two. Perfect Timing 🤞🏼
They should’ve just had Booker T doing the spinaroonie 5 times. That would’ve been better than whatever that was
I still wanna see a Taker-roonie
Now can you dig that…
Booket T a old school break dancer?
5 gold medals!
5 gold medals!
5 gold medals!
@@qdg.productions SUCKKAAAAAAAA
Beyonce got so much flack for dropping a country music and she's from Texas. The criticism that Ragun got was absolutely warranted.
Beyonce didn't get flack for making a county album. She got flack because she has a tendency to only do these kinds of albums, once a genre gets popular enough for her to capitalize on. Trap gets popular she does a trap album, house gets popular she does a house album. Country gets popular she does a country album. Just odd for someone who's core is R&B.
And then for such a big rollout for this album it was pretty mid. Like at least do something different from the other country artist's lol
@@Chillmindedpanther13 but she isn't just getting criticism man. Criticism is: yo she's way out of her league. What she's getting is judged. Trashed. Accused. It's called online bullying. It's mob mentality and much of it just seeping from the political woke trash everyone is watching on youtube all day. Now political commentators are using her as a means to get more views. And it's draggin bboying thru dirt it has nothing to do with.
@@LOVE-VIBES-X-PROJECT-CARS yea didn't hear her album cause I'm not a fan of her but yup.
5:49 I think what Preach is trying to say is if you're someone from the Kart circuit, and somehow your Kart laps qualified for an F1 race, you should probably abstain from actually racing the other F1 drivers... Only in this case Australia sent a Mario Kart racer for some reason 😆
Australia sent the banana peel?
Thanks for doing the research guys and not just doing popular talking points. I didn’t know the whole story
She ruined it for the whole dance community she got them kicked off the Olympics
Rachael Gunn is college educated, she knew throwing out dances like that she was gonna get ridiculed. And now, her & that chef de mission are gaslighting the whole world with the victim narrative & calling everyone hateful online trolls when we’re not. It’s disingenuous for them to say it wasn’t funny when it clearly was. She’s getting the reaction any sane person would expect. Periodt.
Academics are different! They live in a very isolated world, theoretical world. I`ve gone back to higher education in my 50`s and Academics are the exact type of people i`d expect to be this delusional. Again they really are a bit weird.
@@loufrost824 I work with Academics and I agree with you 100%. Delusional and lacking in common sense seem to be common traits among many of them. My partner and I end each shift exhausted from having to try to save them from the insane plans they come up with.
This was actually super insightful. “Know the rules before you can break the rules.
I'm fron Australia and I love the way you pulled this apart. thanks
I remember being so confused watching her performance. My first thought was: is she so nervous she cannot come up with a routine? My second thought was: No, she's fine... Is it really possible that Australia doesn't have better dancers? But then my 3rd thought was: Wait, I'm from Argentina, and I've seen way better than this here, how is it possible that we or any another country didn't qualify then?... So my 4th thought was: Is she actually doing something really good and I'm an uncultured swain that doesn't know how to appreciate it? Maybe this is good and I just don't understand... My final though: Nah, something weird is def happening, or at least, something that validates it and I'm totally unaware of it. Today I know better. As you said, the pool may not have been that good to begin with, but I still find it hard to believe. Definitely is an organizational problem. You mentioned that trying to apply was very difficult. Maybe Australia does have better dancers that for one reason or another didn't get in. Maybe they should have competed against other countries. Btw: I heard really crazy things surrounding this, even that this was another instance of the woke f-ing up the Olympics
You were doing great until you said "woke". Being woke would have nothing to do with a White lady getting a shot at the Olympics.
I thought it was comedy skit. Honestly.
these are some of my thoughts as well
@@keimorgan5654 WAIT, that crossed my mind too at some point! You made me remember. That maybe the organization was pulling a prank
As someone who has been in the breakdance community in my teen and college years and has been to multiple battles and competitions, I honestly strongly feel that contestants should pass pre qualifiers at the red bull breakdance competition across the world. The top 3 from each country should represent at the Olympics. Each competitor gets two round each for 30-45 seconds per round. The OG experienced of the ABSOLUTE experienced dancer should only be allowed to judge, because they know who to give the best scores to. Whoever was on the Olympic judge panel this year was fucking bullshit and rated unfairly. Like the logistx battle, OMFG unfair! I felt logistx had way better musicality, well versed freestyle floor work, top rock, freezes. Etc. she should’ve won.
Also I felt strongly the commentators know way more about the break dancing performance versus the judges. The commentators should’ve judged.
She literally did the Meek Mill bunny hop as part of her routine. 😂
EYOOOOO NOOOOO😂😂😂😂 NOT THE MEEK MILL BUNNY HOP
Nah, not the Diddy Hopping 😂😂😂
Reminded me of that episode on Seinfeld with Elaine dancing.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
“So you’re saying if you’re going to lose a competition you shouldn’t compete.”
Bro this isn’t a “competition.” This is the fuqin Olympics we’re talking about. It isn’t just a competition.
Technically tho...
exactly.
that's why they have world championships. 🤫🤗
It technically is just a competition
BUT there is supposed to be a thing about participating even when you know you aren't going to win. You think Jamaica thought their bob sledding team was going to win? You think African nations think they are going to win cross country skiing? And the countries that send ONE GUY to the Olympics? They do it to PARTICIPATE. I agree that Ray Gun's break dancing was cringe BUT I defend the country of Australia participating. I do think they have to look at their selection process because as somebody upthread said New Zealand was up for participating and allegedly they do have a dance scene so , yes FIND SOMEBODY BETTER , but I encourage them to try again. Honestly I would LOVE it if Ray Gun spent the next 4 years in NY or LA studying break dancing with REAL break dancers and then try again. That WOULD be and Olympic redemption story. She wouldn't even have to win just IMPROVE.
@@jacquelinecallejas1390 She's 36 it's impossbile to improve unless she takes 💉💉💉 with her training so that her body can hold up with the insane amount physical demands required even then she needs otherworldly talent and an incredibly quick learning curve she needs to be absolutely special otherwise she's gonna end up like CM PUNK at UFC someone who trained hard but just doesn't have it.
Most athletes are already their best at 28 and trying to maintain it as long as possible along with using 💉.
She looked like a very ordinary 36 year old everyday person that does a bit of break on the weekend as part of a balanced healthy lifestlye for quite a few years. NOT a maniacally
driven elite athlete that has dedicated her life to the sport. Raygun was also wincing alot in some of her moves she looked like she was pushing beyond her limits she did her best.
Also she is absolutely NOT Australias' best female break dancer not even close, that's the biggest issue, it's not actually her fault if you win something and told you have a spot at the olympics you take it having doubt is the worst thing to have in that situation.
Sending her seems more of a political statement I disagree with you here I feel it's all on how the Breakdance Aus decided to participate, not on Raygun I think she was for real but the judges knew her limitations and sent her to get torn to shreds, a way of saying we don't give a shit about breaking. Their apathy backfired and they copped it on the world stage. Believe it Australia is a very competitive nation they will bring their actual best when it comes to breaking at the olympics next time round if there even is a next time.
Take India for example: Manikanta Hoblidhar clocked 10.23 at 100m 2023. Against Usain Bolt/other olympic sprinters he would look like a snail as you say "participating". Yet Manikanta is closer to Usain that the majority of us would ever be closer to Manikanta.
Not the case with Raygun. She's creative-abstract based but just not technical or athletic, most people her age/younger that are healthy can do all her moves and mimic those 3 rounds of her routine with not much training, her opponents however they were elite 99.9% of us are not gonna come anywhere close to them ever.
7:00 You don’t go to war to lose. You don’t go to the Olympics JUST to rep. It’s to rep EXCELLENCE . Elevating mediocrity is an insult to excellence
Because she went there with a goal to throw a wrench in the Olympics.
THIS.
@@TrulyJennyMorris no you don't understand the mindset of activists
@@Sarah-with-an-H Me? I do not?
@@TrulyJennyMorris because what she did has nothing to do with anything but activism and throwing a wrench in a system that supports capitalism.
Always loved how Aba and Preach can actually have a conversation when they disagree . You don’t see that now a days . Just arguing and people being mad you don’t have the same opinion or outlook on things