Pioneer PL-12D Spindle Cleaning & Lubrication Tutorial -Adam HiFi-
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Simple spindle cleaning and lubrication tutorial for smooth operation and consistent speed.
Hoppe's No. 9 Lubricating Oil I used:
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Thanks for watching - have fun!
Finally a great tutorial for this turntable! Thank you so much!
thanks for watching!
Brilliant, I’ve just fixed mine following this video. Very helpful thanks!
I got my pl12d mk2 today from marketplace for 25$! Veneer and dust cover is dusty but sound. Gonna service it tomorrow.
Remember Ball Bearing at bottom of spindle - Many thanks for a very instructive video - as others have said there is a ball bearing at the bottom of the spindle shaft so don't lose it!
Something fell out on the floor when I disassembled the shaft and it was the bearing.
No mention in video
@@stevenjosephs9 Yes, the information in the video is incomplete. I have added a comment giving some detail about the bearing.
Thanks mate really appreciated. My sister has asked me to source a decent turntable for her husband with a £150 budget. I've gone for the PL-12D from ebay but i really want to service it. This is a great tutorial. Kudos my friend, small actions in this world.
great to hear - thanks a lot for the kind words. hope you enjoy the turntable!
I agree with the rest of the folks here. Good video and good advice on using paper towel or a cloth to get the pieces apart. Even with a cloth I put a couple scratches in mine. Good thing I looked up the service manual though because i would have lost the ball bearing in the bottom and that's the most important part of this mechanism. Without it, it wont turn. At lest not for very long.
Thanks for watching. Yes, be sure not to lose those lol
Thanks Adam, got my PL-12D back up and running. Great work.
Awesome, so glad to hear. Enjoy!
I have the same table with Pioneer 3700 Amp and also own 2 sets of Dynaco A25 and love them, also have A30, vintage audio is the way
Thanks for the video, worked like magic.
Great tutorial. Like many others in the comments I found a ball bearing in the assembly, thankfully I didn't loose it. The spindle is working like new again.
No mention of bearing in his video
Thank you! Everyone-watch this video first. Best on the subject!
Hi Adam! Great video. I couldn't turn the plate as freely as yours was but my speed was fine, but decided to clean the spindle anyway. The video was great and easy to follow, and I followed it to a T! When I was done, the plate turned a little slower by hand than before I cleaned it. Also, when I used an RPM app to check the speed, it was slower that before too, averaging 32.26 and 44.46. Any thoughts on what I could do? Also, I didn't see any ball bearing, like some of the others have said.
And I am NOT complaining about the video and instructions, they were GREAT! I am sure whatever the cause is, it is something I have done lol
Hooray! Got my craigslist Pioneer 12d working beautifully now!
très bon tutoriel, merci
REMEMBER THE TINY BEARING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SHAFT. BE CAREFUL PULLING THE SPINDLE OUT.
Yes please don’t forget the ball bearing that sits in the bottom of the spindle casing
What about the ball bearing in the bottom of the shaft?
Any idea how to lube the tonearm for smoother operation?
Thanks. Very helpful! 🙂
Good video but you really need to insert the info that there is a ball bearing in there.
Thank you for this tutorial. I've had a Pioneer PL 12D from a thrift shop, sitting on a shelf for a decade and decided to finally get around to ordering a belt which was toast, and then finding your video. Was a bit of a challenge freeing up the spindle, had to put it in a vice and soak it with wd 40 and use channel lock pliers and a rag to finally break it loose. The audio technica stylus was toast as well, but I took the shure off my dual 1219 just to take it for a test drive. Works great.
Inherited the Pioneer PL-120 in good condition too, but it runs a tad over 33/3 and 45, new belt too, cleaned the capstan with Isopropyl Alcohol and it hasn't altered at all.
Is there a screw or something to tweak the belt speeds?
Be a shame not to have it playing again.
go here:www.vinylengine.com/library/pioneer/pl-120.shtml
(service manual (low res))
page 13, section 11.3... talks about motor adjustment aka speed adjustment. good luck let me know if this solves the issue.
Adam, your video was exactly what I needed. Thanks! I had not read the comments about the VERY IMPORTANT ball bearing, but I found it anyway because I always lay down a clean towel when working on small things. I used a stronger solvent called "Goof Off" which dissolved all the solid gunk instantly, then (just in case) rinsed in and out with alcohol. (I took a photo of the three pieces including the bearing, but I guess you cannot post photos in RUclips comments.)
Great to hear!
Similarly, on Technics turntables such as the SL-BD22, expired lubrication can cause an intermittent clicking sound as the platter spins. Following this same method will fix the problem!
Great tip! Thanks for watching
I just did this on a Pioneer PL-12D I inherited from my mother in law. Before I obtained it, it had been in storage for about 15 years. Before I did this cleaning, it was working good until one day the speed slowly cranked down. This seems to have remedied that. With the belt off, the platter freely spins for a long time. A question though - how tight is the belt supposed to be? Before looping it around the motor, it’s not tight enough to stay on the platter by itself. I have a new belt en route but im curious if the current one is too loose. Wouldn’t surprise me after being stored that long and maybe never changed.
Yes that belt sounds too loose!
@@AdamHiFi Just got a new belt from Amazon and it stays wrapped around the platter so that old belt was definitely too loose. Speed is much more consistent now.
Really helpful video mate, thank you. Quick Q - what headshell is that? Wanting a new one for my P12D and like the look of that one alot!
thanks for checking it out. the headhsell was purchased on eBay. it’s original listing has been removed but the title was “turntable headshell with leads aluminum”. there is another guy selling them for $50! ridiculous-i paid $16. unfortunately though, the headhsell is just way too heavy to use. ur counterweight will be all the way turned back to use this effectively. i changed it back to some cheap standard size headshell and i’m back to happy. silver leads made no difference for me. good luck!
hello everything is fine? After cleaning the axle is seizing when applying belt force. If I use denser oil this defect disappears but it becomes heavy to turn and the belt becomes unhinged.
Hope you were able to solve the motor problem. I believe by axle you mean the motor shaft where belt sits on?. There is a dedicated hole where you can lube motor with a few drop of oil, do not use dense oil, sewing machine oil does the trick. It could also be the motor top or bottom bearing that has seized over the years. Motor would need to be taken apart and cleaned thoroughly. I would bring it to someone who has serviced turntables before or search on the internet for Mr Ives Pioneer PL-12D restoration. There are detailed step by step with pics on how to disassemble and service the motor. Good luck
I have the same model. It stopped working the other day, found the belt had stretched out. But your video helped me with the spindle. Probably never removed since the factory. It was a fight to get it separated! But now it's clean and lubed, the platter spins super nice. Just waiting for the new belt.
Adding some late information regarding the ball bearing that's at the bottom inside the spindle sleeve: There is a replaceable ball bearing (standard 1/8th inch). In many cases you may not realise this because it can become embedded in solidified grease which you will clean away and it will just look like a smooth point when you look inside ... so don't give up until you work it free. The bearing can acquire wear. Without the belt attached these turntable platters should spin for a long long time! Modern synthetic cycle grease/oil should make the bearing last for ever. Now you know what to do you can give it another service in about 25 years! I bought mine in 1973. (Also, I should comment that folded paper towel is too risky to use between grips and spindle ... as shown by someone in the comments who damaged his spindle using that method.)
thanks for the vid....I've used mineral spirits to clean the old oil residue off the spindle to great success.
Did this just now (August 2023) on my Pioneer PL-10. Same setup.
Found a lucky ball, so I ate it. Lol
Seriously though, great tutorial thanks for sharing this.
Great instructional video. My turntable is now running super quiet. Many thanks.
awesome. glad to hear. thanks for the comment
Pioneer pl12d. Or maybe an AR, Thorens td 150. If they are setup properly with a good cartridge you will get superb sound I.M.H.O. Don't bother with any other unless you can afford an LP12.
Great video has the spindle got a ball bearing in?
I think mine is now in my sink plug hole 😂
for me i did not see a ball - perhaps you have a different model? for me there was just a spike at the bottom of the inside of the spindle housing of which the spindle rotates on.
@@AdamHiFi There is a 1/8 ball bearing in there well was in there 😂
@@ryanwaterworth7055 Lol!
Thanks so much for this video
Fixed mine today and got it spinning
Loving listening to my re olds again
I had to add a 1/8 th inch ball bearing
you failed to mention that the screw that holds the spindle in the housing is 9/10 always badly seized and is very very hard to remove, what is your solution for this?
use the force of 1,000 gods to unhinge the mighty screw... kidding. always apply even downward pressure on the screw and spin very slowly. be sure to use an appropriate sized screwdriver, one that seats within the screw w no play
Use a hacksaw to cut across the screw which is really soft and just rounds off, then you can use a flat screwdriver.
Just scored the same table at my local e waste facility, it's in pristine shape, can't wait to get the old girl up and humming again, thanks for this!
You are lucky that you did not drop and lose the ball bearing out of the spindle housing
in this pioneer there was no ball bearing. in yours there might be so certainly be careful! thanks for watching
@@AdamHiFi I am doing this now and mine had a ball bearing in it...hmmm kinda weird some do some don't. Thanks tho I hope it works cause my TT running slow
@@MrBobbyFallon They all do,most get lost when the spindle is pulled out and ppl don't realize it's there. I suspect many are in a shag carpet or down a drain literally.
Great tutorial, I will do this with my PL12D spindle. One question: does the motor need lubrication too?
good luck! no the motor should be okay. unless it is broken i wouldn't touch it!
There is a dedicated oil drop hole for the motor. Remove platter and next to the motor pulley there is a small hole with a red arrow "lubrication drop 2 to 3 drops" you can use sewing oil, motor oil, gun oil.. (I use Hoppe's #9) if you've been using the turntable for a while.. put 6 drops and let it spin with belt off for 45 -60 min. As Adam mentions, do not take motor apart to lubricate. Use the dedicated drop hole instead
@@yvileye Good advice. Thank you.
The platter on my turntable wont come off no matter how hard I try. I’m just trying to replace the belt
Thanks for the video Big help. Just done mine now, I also change the sponge using a car sponge and a large apple cutter cut through the sponge. Not sure if that was right.
awesome, glad i could help!
what sponge are you referring to?
@@AdamHiFi the 4 springs that's there . 2 at the front and back. I took the old soft sponge/ foam out. And replace it with car sponge..
jamiethemodd76 oh sweet, hope it works great 👍
@@stevemarriott76 This is really helpful advice! I just opened mine up and the pads are completely dried out and basically desiccated. This is definitely why I was having an issue with vibrations! Will try the car sponge tip.
Thanks! Grettings from Brazil!
Wow we are very lucky to have this to utilize, thanx so much!
Spray contact cleaner makes cleaning that bearing sleeve SO much easier.
If there is a bearing
Should that be cleaned?
Thank you
Do you have any suggestions on how to replace the dampers in the springs? Or what material to use?
Any sponge rubber will do ... cut to an appropriate size ... experimentation will show you what works.
I used car wash sponge (big yellow one) bought at local hardware store on sale for $2. I cut mine big enough to fit inside the spring and somwhat bulging slightly out of the coil but not too tight, once plinth back on, you want to feel a slight bounce and 4 corners balanced to the touch. Like MrAdopado commented, experiment accordingly
Be aware there is small metal ball in the shaft! Do not loose it, like I nearly did.
You forgot to mention the tiny ball bearing at the bottom of the shaft.
Many thanks for his video. I followed it step by step to resolve the problem I had with my PL12D deck.
great to hear, thanks for the comment
righteous. props for the tutorial, dude!!
sixonefourever thank u man 🙏
Hi thanks for sharing! Not sure if you’re still looking at comments, but my spindle is really stuck to the point that I can’t pull it out with pliers. Are there any other options? Like soaking it in alcohol? Thanks!
Use a heat gun. Shouldn't take more than 30-45 seconds to melt the old grease. Just make sure not to burn yourself when handling the spindle ... it will stay very hot for quite a while.
There wasn't a ball bearing inside the spindle?
Can anybody advise me... I want to put a new and more substantial base on(the original is chipped at the front) but I notice that the inside of the original where the earth is connected has a silver finish to it. I am right in thinking it is something metallic for the earth. If so is it a material I can buy to put on my new base. What is it called? Thanks.
As long as you have continuity from start of ground to the ground terminal on your receiver/preamp you are fine
Should there be a ball bearing in the spindle? I followed the instruction but my platter is rubbing on the actual deck? As though it's not sitting high enough up the spindle.
Some comments mentioned that there was a ball in theirs but for mine I do not have one. All I can recommend is using a few washers?
Thanks for this video, super informative! I'm having an issue with mine where it will play normally for a bit, but then the speed will slow right down (sometimes it will work fine for a whole album, sometimes it will slow after just a few minutes). Do you think this will be fixed with cleaning/lubrication or is this a more serious motor problem?
Hmm, might as well try it? maybe a new belt along with this lubrication. Let me know!
Very clear but I'd offer one comment. Before you begin your next film write down what you want to say and how to match what you're doing, you know, a script. It's not you in particular but most of these tutorials have these rambling commentaries with a million more words than the two or three actually required. Otherwise a great video.
Totally fair! Thank you for the comment, will try to do better moving forward.
@@AdamHiFi Hey I'm just glad I didn't offend you. I used to work with scripts and they can really help when time is at a premium too. (3 words per sec) Cheers
Brilliant…thanks
Can I ask, when you spin the platter is the belt already off?
Thanks.
at the end yes!
@@AdamHiFi Around 30seconds?
Thanks!! Great tutorial... just did this to my PL-10 and works perfectly!!
awesome! glad to hear-thanks for watching and commenting
It seems there isn’t a bearing, is that right? ? Thanks for the video
There IS a bearing. I replaced mine with a new ball bearing for a cycle bearing.
Helped me a lot! thx
I followed all of these instructions but when I put my platter back on and give it a test spin, it spins great but is making a slight grinding/rubbing noise from the where the platter and spindle touch. Is there a solution for this?
is the spindle nut screwed down all the way?
Hi It sounds like you have lost the ball bearing causing the platter to sit to low.
MIchael Hogan is absolutely right. Mine made the same noise, until I found the bearing that had fallen to the floor as I cleaned things. The bearing is a single steel ball and it's no more than 2-3mm in diameter. You need to find this ball and replace it at the base of the spindle housing, otherwise the platter will sit too low and grind. EDIT: just found that you can buy the correct 1/8 inch ball bearings on eBay for very little money. Hope this helps.
Mine has a low-pitched 'Hum'. I am hoping that carrying out this operation will help. Great video; thanks!
good luck! hum could be the motor, make sure the belt is tight as well. a loos/aging belt can cause the motor to make some noise.
If you don’t attach the ground wire to your receiver’s ground terminal, you can get humming.
Try an outlet that the amp/reciever isn't plugged into.
Great tutorial, thank you. But I have a major problem. I didnt had the right size screwdriver and now the screw is totally broken. I am talking about the little one that holdes the center spindle in. What can I do to remove that screw now?
Start off with videos like these to get a general idea (ruclips.net/video/_mTFQbaT3Zc/видео.html)
Then simply go to a hardware store and find an appropriate screw to replace the old one. Good luck!
@@AdamHiFi Thanks you are my hero! I will continue soon. Do you have any idea why the arm could be moving very slow to its position?
@@taube9389 Most likely dried up old grease/lubricant.
@@AdamHiFi Thanks. Now I got the screw off, cleaned everything and put it back together but it is painfully slow. What can I do? Should the new belt be tight when I put it on the silver plate or should their be some space?
@@taube9389 Just responded to the email you sent!
you didn't mention the tiny 1/8 inch ball bearing that sits inside the casing. very important not to lose that.. also reason why there is a screw is that you don't have to remove the spindle from the plinth.. you can simply go underneath, take screw out and then pull spindle out. great advice for using paper towel or cloth on your vice grips, I learned the hard way and ended up with small dents on the spindle which created a wobble when platter spins..
hm i didnt see a 1/8 inch ball - perhaps you have a different model? for me there was just a spike at the bottom of the inside of the spindle housing of which the spindle rotates on. but good call! and glad i could help. thanks for the comment
both models (PL12D and PL12Dii) have the ball bearing inside the casing. you can go to your local bicycle repair shop and ask if they have 1/8 inch bearing.. it has to be that exact size. there's a nice restoration step by step blog by "mr ives" worth reading. wish I had read it before I repaired mine.. I would have avoided lots of mistakes mr-ives.blogspot.com/2013/07/restoring-pioneer-pl-12d-turntable.html
Boom! Problem solved, bearing on floor. Thank you, my platter was dragging and now it's not.
@@yvileye Thanks for the link and your posts here. Also thanks to Adam for a great video.
@@AdamHiFi Nope, they all have a ball bearing. Yours was glued to the bottom of the spindle shaft with old grease. You can replace it. I've had my PL12D for 51 years.
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