"Doesn't deserve an answer"... or you just don't have one. "I don't wanna talk to him" pretty much sums up his style of arguing. Make the public accusation and then draw back when they respond. Nice
@@yohanyohan7524 If only the Palestinians took all the money they get and poured it into schools and not their deluded militaristic ambitions How many times do they have to lose?
It doesn't deserve an answer is absolutely right, if you actually listen to what Waters was saying about Palestine, when Cave made up some total BS about freedom of speech when asked not to play in apartheid Israel
@@manusmcgrogan3495 Its not BS, Nick does not believe in boycotting civilian events and punishing civilians for the actions of a government because they happen to be jewish, unlike waters who is an antisemite
Waters refused to play apartheid South Africa. Cave continues to play apartheid Israel, basing it on a ridiculous 'freedom of speech' argument. what about Palestinians' freedom of speech? Think about it. Shouldn't play his own country is a nonsense argument. In any case he protests the right/Trump etc in his concerts wherever he is. Nick Cave rejoiced in playing Israel ffs
@@manusmcgrogan3495 When will idiots like you learn that playing for a civilian crowd has no relation to the actions of a government? BDS is a racist movement and Nick is correct to take a stand against it
That's the problem in a nutshell. Stupid (though well-meaning), misguided twats like RW actually believe Nick Cave as good as personally kills Palestinians -even though he just happened to have played a couple of concerts in Tel Aviv. NC is more informed than RW of the Israeli Palestinian conflict. He's more intelligent and more thoughtful. He has done a lot for the Palestinians too. But,stupid, binary thinkers like this prat think they've got a monopoly on compassion.
@@toperic02 Nick Cave has since said he wonders if he was right to play Israel after all and he certainly hasn’t played there again. Nick Cave uses longer more interesting words than RW and is more literary. That doesn’t mean he’s morally superior or has greater insight into the Palestine-Israeli conflict
@@tzaph67 As far as I’m aware, the recently cancelled NC European tour included further dates in Israel. We shall see if the new dates being announced for 2022 again include Israel. Either way, my point stands.
An artistic boycott isn't going to help though is it?! If anything it'll make the situation worse for the people that actually live in these places-you think their government really gives a fuck about not being able to listen to Roger waters?!! I think not
The artistic, cultural boycott helped undermine S African apartheid. That's the aim of the anti apartheid boycott of Israel. More power to it. Waters is right.
@yohanyohan7524 no its not, Gaza looked like a fairly decent place till Hamas occupied it,and (Israel left 2006) murdered their opposition, stole all the aid money, and finally with their genocide Rape /Murder Onslaught on Oct 7 ,have destroyed it, for their genocidal hamas charter of kill all jews , you dont get more Nazi than that😂❤ keep lapping up that hamas propaganda
@@manusmcgrogan3495 totally different situations and the anti apartheid movement in south africa was not targeting civilian events like concerts unless they had a specific link to the racist regime, like Sun City
Well Cave has some good songs but is an ignorant idiot when it comes to what is going on in the world. Waters is not a hanger on ffs, he carved his name in the annals of rock history long before Nick Cave
What stupid arguments are these... how on earth such a talented musician and lyricist, that could in the past pull such remote strings deep down in my being be such a shallow thinker when it comes to public affairs still blows my mind
Even Caves lyrics are better than Waters lyrics. And Nick seems to be staying young through his music, while Waters is just an old man grumping over everything.
@@manusmcgrogan3495 Well, I think that what Isreal does to Palestina is wrong. There is a good reason for the BDS movement to exist. But whatever wrong happened between Israel and Palestina isn't the fault of the people of Israel. The people didn't all vote for the presidents and ministers who don't stop this, but profit from it. Netanyahu, for example, has faced international criticism over his decades-long policy as prime minister of expanding Israeli settlements, which is illegal under international laws. He also was indicted in 2019 on charges of breach of trust, bribery and fraud. This shows that not all the people in Israel are supporting those actions. Just like America isn't full of Rednecks, and Germany doesn't only consist of Nazis. The people of Isreal don't take part in those illegal actions. So it is totally okay to play concerts there, because Nick didn't play a concert for the leadership of Isreal but for the people who live there. They should just be able to enjoy concerts as well as other people. Not performing in Isreal won't really change the minds of those in charge of those crimes that are done to Palestina. So yeah, I think what Roger Waters is saying is only true to some extent, and it would leave behind a much deeper and more convincing impact if he didn't grump and rant along all the time.
@@evansevansevans1 Crawl back under your stone Hasbara troll. Zionist butchers can't rewrite history. Funny how many forms of oppression and propaganda the apartheid state and the 1940's German National Socialist party seem to share.
@@manusmcgrogan3495 you sound like you see ghost and communists everywhere you go. Amd everyone knows anyone who claims they are liberal yet has an average IQ is a liar.
@@manusmcgrogan3495 The comment section is not a trial, but a public debate. I don't need to provide any evidence. In the end of the day he hate's Israel, which is a country of jews and he also hates the jewish lobby and stuff like that and I think that if you deeply hate jews like our friend Roger does, that makes you anti-semitic.
@@magonofficial in a debate you back your argument up with evidence or examples. Waters opposes the state of Israel fir what it has done, and continues to do to the Palestinians. But that does not make him anti semitic. It would mean that the many jews who also oppose Israel are themselves anti semitic which is ridiculous
@@manusmcgrogan3495 Let's just say that as a jew, when I hear Roger speak I feel he deeply hates jews and that he is far less forgiving with the jews than he is with let's say the Americans, or the arabs, or the UK or ani other peoples or states who have in the past or present committed similar or even greater atrocities and that makes me think he is profoundly anti-semitic. What is you opinion on the matter?
Harry Fryer Their people are especially bigoted and backing the government. They have a racist population, do you even realize that there are thousands of orthodox jews that say this?
Harry Fryer Dude we ended apartheid in South Africa because PEOPLE F’ING BOYCOTTED THEIR COUNTRY!😂 Remember “I ain’t gonna play Sun City,” BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN, Lethal Weapon? This is how you end a countries oppression.
I love both Pink Floyd and Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds :)
They sell pink floyd tshirts in primark- way to stick it to the man
Only goes to show the Floyd are still vastly more popular than Cave
"Doesn't deserve an answer"... or you just don't have one. "I don't wanna talk to him" pretty much sums up his style of arguing. Make the public accusation and then draw back when they respond. Nice
It's self explanatory! I take it your a paid Israeli troll who supports them torturing Palestinians children? I simple Yes or No will do
@@yohanyohan7524 If only the Palestinians took all the money they get and poured it into schools and not their deluded militaristic ambitions
How many times do they have to lose?
It doesn't deserve an answer is absolutely right, if you actually listen to what Waters was saying about Palestine, when Cave made up some total BS about freedom of speech when asked not to play in apartheid Israel
@@manusmcgrogan3495 Its not BS, Nick does not believe in boycotting civilian events and punishing civilians for the actions of a government because they happen to be jewish, unlike waters who is an antisemite
2-3 wives. Band mates can't stand him. Been at odds with the world since the 70's. Not a good judge of character, Waters.
Actually 5 wives.
I can't find the vomit emoji on my keyboard
Nick Cave is far more intelligent.
cave is a moron and a racist
Rubbish. Love these blanket statements 'Cave is better' etc when they completely miss the point of the video
@@gloverelaxis How is he a racist?
@manusmcgrogan3495 what was the point, Roger shouting his mouth off😂😂
Roger waters has unfortunately turned into a grumpy nonsensical old fool
Rubbish, he speaks the truth. Will you listen to what he is saying about apartheid Israel?
@@manusmcgrogan3495 no, I'd rather listen to Netanyahu or leaders of Hamas than Roger.
I guess I'm at the wrong channel, Sorry.
Old Steptoe with yet another hissy fit. 🙄
So Mr. Waters shouldn't play in his own country since it was one of the most imperialistic disgraces of the humanaty
Waters refused to play apartheid South Africa. Cave continues to play apartheid Israel, basing it on a ridiculous 'freedom of speech' argument. what about Palestinians' freedom of speech? Think about it. Shouldn't play his own country is a nonsense argument. In any case he protests the right/Trump etc in his concerts wherever he is. Nick Cave rejoiced in playing Israel ffs
@@manusmcgrogan3495 When will idiots like you learn that playing for a civilian crowd has no relation to the actions of a government? BDS is a racist movement and Nick is correct to take a stand against it
Horrible bitter man while not helping Palestine's cause in the least.
Pretty sure only one person is coming off pitiful in this video....
do anyone know this new? when and where happened? I couldnt have found anything in internet ( 18 years old soccer player shooted by nick cave? )
If you watch closely the interview is a part of an effort to bring attention to the Israeli-Palestine conflict.
my english is not good. thanks
That's the problem in a nutshell. Stupid (though well-meaning), misguided twats like RW actually believe Nick Cave as good as personally kills Palestinians -even though he just happened to have played a couple of concerts in Tel Aviv.
NC is more informed than RW of the Israeli Palestinian conflict. He's more intelligent and more thoughtful. He has done a lot for the Palestinians too. But,stupid, binary thinkers like this prat think they've got a monopoly on compassion.
@@toperic02 Nick Cave has since said he wonders if he was right to play Israel after all and he certainly hasn’t played there again. Nick Cave uses longer more interesting words than RW and is more literary. That doesn’t mean he’s morally superior or has greater insight into the Palestine-Israeli conflict
@@tzaph67 As far as I’m aware, the recently cancelled NC European tour included further dates in Israel. We shall see if the new dates being announced for 2022 again include Israel.
Either way, my point stands.
I love Pink Floyd but Roger's so full of shit.
The Dave Mustaine of the 70s.
Talented and insufferable on so many levels.
Why are people now so blind?
An artistic boycott isn't going to help though is it?! If anything it'll make the situation worse for the people that actually live in these places-you think their government really gives a fuck about not being able to listen to Roger waters?!! I think not
Do you even know what the situation is ??? It's an apartheid...
The artistic, cultural boycott helped undermine S African apartheid. That's the aim of the anti apartheid boycott of Israel. More power to it. Waters is right.
@yohanyohan7524 no its not, Gaza looked like a fairly decent place till Hamas occupied it,and (Israel left 2006) murdered their opposition, stole all the aid money, and finally with their genocide Rape /Murder Onslaught on Oct 7 ,have destroyed it, for their genocidal hamas charter of kill all jews , you dont get more Nazi than that😂❤ keep lapping up that hamas propaganda
@@manusmcgrogan3495 totally different situations and the anti apartheid movement in south africa was not targeting civilian events like concerts unless they had a specific link to the racist regime, like Sun City
Cave is a genius. Waters a hanger on..
Well Cave has some good songs but is an ignorant idiot when it comes to what is going on in the world. Waters is not a hanger on ffs, he carved his name in the annals of rock history long before Nick Cave
❤ 🇵🇸
What stupid arguments are these... how on earth such a talented musician and lyricist, that could in the past pull such remote strings deep down in my being be such a shallow thinker when it comes to public affairs still blows my mind
Roger at his bat-sh*t best
Even Caves lyrics are better than Waters lyrics. And Nick seems to be staying young through his music, while Waters is just an old man grumping over everything.
He's grumping, and rightly so, over things that fkin matter. Try listening to what he's saying instead of just dissing him with no back up argument
@@manusmcgrogan3495 Well, I think that what Isreal does to Palestina is wrong. There is a good reason for the BDS movement to exist. But whatever wrong happened between Israel and Palestina isn't the fault of the people of Israel. The people didn't all vote for the presidents and ministers who don't stop this, but profit from it. Netanyahu, for example, has faced international criticism over his decades-long policy as prime minister of expanding Israeli settlements, which is illegal under international laws. He also was indicted in 2019 on charges of breach of trust, bribery and fraud. This shows that not all the people in Israel are supporting those actions. Just like America isn't full of Rednecks, and Germany doesn't only consist of Nazis. The people of Isreal don't take part in those illegal actions.
So it is totally okay to play concerts there, because Nick didn't play a concert for the leadership of Isreal but for the people who live there. They should just be able to enjoy concerts as well as other people. Not performing in Isreal won't really change the minds of those in charge of those crimes that are done to Palestina.
So yeah, I think what Roger Waters is saying is only true to some extent, and it would leave behind a much deeper and more convincing impact if he didn't grump and rant along all the time.
Blonker
Boomer Boomer Boomer. So arrogant.
nicks not a boomer?
@@_Majoras It's irrelevant. Young person having a go, they're allowed, it's their job.
racist racist racist. so racist.
Unfortunately that guy is nothing without Pink Floyd all he does is trying to create attention when he has no music to keep the audience interested
thank god for Roger Waters. anyone who stands against human rights can eat it.
Brandon Cawley I reported you for hate speech. Disgusting language. You should be ashamed.
Waters is not standing for anything and not playing a show in Israel for a crowd unrelated to Israels government wont change a thing
Lots of negative comments from Hasbara trolls. God bless Roger for speaking up for the oppressed people of Palestine. BDS
Palestine doesn’t exist mate. Never did.
@@evansevansevans1 Crawl back under your stone Hasbara troll.
Zionist butchers can't rewrite history.
Funny how many forms of oppression and propaganda the apartheid state and the 1940's German National Socialist party seem to share.
The only people that oppress Gaza was Hamas since 2006 🤡
Cave is great. Waters just another virtue signaling has been.
You sound like the alt right
@@manusmcgrogan3495 you sound like you see ghost and communists everywhere you go. Amd everyone knows anyone who claims they are liberal yet has an average IQ is a liar.
@@manusmcgrogan3495you sound like a fool , left right left right left right
I believe Roger Waters believes he’s not anti-semitic. But I also think he is. That being said, he’s not islamophobic, and that’s a good thing.
What's your evidence for him being anti semitic? Don't throw dangerous accusations without providing back up mate
@@manusmcgrogan3495 The comment section is not a trial, but a public debate. I don't need to provide any evidence. In the end of the day he hate's Israel, which is a country of jews and he also hates the jewish lobby and stuff like that and I think that if you deeply hate jews like our friend Roger does, that makes you anti-semitic.
@@magonofficial in a debate you back your argument up with evidence or examples. Waters opposes the state of Israel fir what it has done, and continues to do to the Palestinians. But that does not make him anti semitic. It would mean that the many jews who also oppose Israel are themselves anti semitic which is ridiculous
@@manusmcgrogan3495
Let's just say that as a jew, when I hear Roger speak I feel he deeply hates jews and that he is far less forgiving with the jews than he is with let's say the Americans, or the arabs, or the UK or ani other peoples or states who have in the past or present committed similar or even greater atrocities and that makes me think he is profoundly anti-semitic. What is you opinion on the matter?
Stick to playing mind numbing 10 minute guitar solos
He plays bass!!!
and nick cave’s music sucks. go figure. he doesn’t even warrant a response from a legend.
Harry Fryer Their people are especially bigoted and backing the government. They have a racist population, do you even realize that there are thousands of orthodox jews that say this?
Harry Fryer Dude we ended apartheid in South Africa because PEOPLE F’ING BOYCOTTED THEIR COUNTRY!😂 Remember “I ain’t gonna play Sun City,” BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN, Lethal Weapon? This is how you end a countries oppression.
Harry Fryer Nick Cave just did what his name says. He CAVEd. To a $6,000,000 check from a evil government. To help legitimize it’s colonialism.
Harry Fryer I agree with your first statement. But you say it’s irrelevant, and I say it’s a BRIBE! Never been a clearer bribe I’ve seen.
Leg end you mean.