Proper Longpoint Position - Understanding HEMA
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Hosts Sean Franklin and Nicole Smith go over the proper biomechanical position of the Longpoint guard, and how poor positioning can affect techniques.
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The cinematography and direction on these videos is actually amazing.
You guys clearly have a script, and having Sean in the background doing the poses while Nicole talks, as opposed to just having her talk over a clip that's added in post, is a great idea.
Nice.
Also Sean is buff as fuck, damn.
Also, cool to see the trust between you two, as Nicole is allowing Sean to feint a cut onto her unprotected head. I'm sure the swords aren't sharpened, but even a blunt sword is basically a (shitty) mace.
Yeah this is the HEMA channel with the best production value on RUclips. They need more views!
Great video. Appreciate the montage and camera angles
This is an off-topic question, but do you think that modern day HEMA practitioners will ever be comparable to the old martial masters? Do you consider yourselves masters, and if you don't, do you think it is possible to be a master in this time-period?
Horned Reaper I know you dont want some scrubs opinion, but I think modern competitive fighters are often times superior atleast in a duell situation due too their knowledge of a variety of styles and techniques, but also their wealth of experience with different weapons from all kind of backgrounds, if not (excluding members of certain warrior castes who presumably trained their whole lifes) simply due too their daily training with different opponents and fighting styles as full contact training with replicas as close as possible to real weapons is much more common and available as it was historically when training with actual weapons often had fatal consequences
Depends on who you consider to be a master. A great fencer or a great warrior? A great fencer knows how to use his weapon well, a great warrior actually uses his weapon well. We obviously don't murder people with swords anymore, so it's impossible to develop and test the necessary skills in practical applications. That being said, I think modern HEMA practitioners would be able to compete with and even beat old masters in tournament settings.
Horned Reaper simply i think no. now i see alot of people saying modern hema practitioners are superior...they are wrong, judging by those people they are in the belief of modern people are superior to other, which can be true sometimes but not in swordfighting....we simply cant, there is a mentality barrier that modern people have compared to the warriors who actually fought and killed people with melee weapons...its ignorant to think we could beat old masters..... its like saying a knight could beat a navy seal in a gunfight.... medieval warriors spend their whole life training how to kill people in melee combat not with guns, if there is one thing they did know was how to kill, simply put i dont think that skill neccesarily is in the masters favour but the way to actually apply violence through weapons and kill and brutaly retaliate enemies.... we cant compare because they lived an life of actual violence and they were very skilled at it.
I think that the masters certainly had lots of experience and may not have even showed all of their techniques in their manuals and treatises. I'm not weighing who is better between modern and old teachers, but I do wonder if it is appropriate to call the best martial artists of today masters. Im not saying they're inferior compared to the masters (they're obviously very skilled). Some may even win in a duel with a master (that's up for debate). At what point do these guys get called masters and should we call them that? Do they need to develop techniques to be masters. Until then are they just students/teachers?
Hail from Brazil! i your videos are amazing, is really helping me.
Hi Sean and Nicole, best wishes from Buenos Aires, Argentina! Waiting for your HEMA academy here ;) I discovered you 2 weeks ago, you are awesome!
That longpoint like guard, if it's on the right side of the body, is also called Coda Lunga e Stretta in Marozzo's manual Opera Nova. It's one of the most commonly used offensive guards.
Nice video! I only wish there was some mentioned of speaking window as it seems to be a core use of long point.
ok, I have to ask.. Who makes your long swords? I am loving the profile of those blades and its not either of my goto makers (Darkwood and Castille).. Thanks and love the content!
Although I completely agree with what you say, I'd like to point out that there is a thing in japanese swordsmanship called sutemi, which is more or less a sacrificial attack. The idea during it is giving it all, kind of becoming a human projectile, in an attempt for a fight-finishing strike, which of course leaves you totally exposed and in a terrible position. If you fail, you are dead.
Are you aware of a similar concept in European swordsmanship?
I think the Romans had something like that in gladius techniques,but I dont actually think of an "official" medieval "technique" involving that.However it is possible that some knights executed that kind of move in their own situation and for personnal reasons
In sport fencing it's called a fleche.
What about the plow? 1:00
I'm a lot more familiar with Il Fior di Battaglia/Flos Duellatorum combat than German treatises but I intend to join a nearby club (Virtus Sword School) who teach German treatises (can't remember specifics). Should I adapt to the German manuals or should I use a combination of Fior and German treatises?
First off, they're a good choice of clubs. I've trained with several of their people at various events, and they're friendly and skilful. Offhand, I think they mostly do Meyer.
Secondly, for classes etc you should do what's being taught. I mostly train Ringeck, but when I drop in on a Meyer class, or a Fiore one, or something else - I do the things they're asking in that particular case.
Thirdly, there's the question of how to fence when sparring or whatever. Different treatises/masters have different tactical doctrines - they approach the fight differently, and so will often use different techniques in a given situation. If you try and mix them (without a very deep understanding), it tends to end up quite incoherent. So personally I'd try and just do Meyer while training there, and understand how Meyer approaches fighting.
Where do you find that music that played during the video
Do you not see Posta Breve and Meyers irongate as somewhat similar? i agree with a strict interpretation you end up with an inverted crossed guard held out by the knee, but thats still only perhaps held out from the body a bit more in a similar pose. Furthermore if we take Meyers deeper stance compared earlier stuff + that he tells us it used to be a more popular guard its possible to extrapolate that something very similar to Poste Breve existed in German Longsword too, just not in surviving material we know of. Anyway just my 2 cents.
Meyer's Eisenport is that low guard that they say in the video doesn't exist in the German schools. "And the Irongate is done thus: stand with your right foot forward, and hold your sword with the hilt in front of your knee with straight hanging arms, so that your point extends up toward your opponent's face. Thus you have your sword in front of you for protection like an iron door; for when you stand with your feet wide, so that your body is low, you can put off all cuts and thrusts from this position." He does note that the term is used by some for Schrankhut but then supplies that description as the proper way to do the posture.
by inverted crossed guard i meant that its held further out from the body than 'poste breve', its not tucked in and with thew point to the face rather than the floor. Exactly as it sais in the text and is shown in the rappier section. Its not Longpoint but its not quite posta breve. However if you 'un-meyer' it, it ends up looking like posta breve.
What are the swords your using?
I'm curious, how do you instructors feel about holding the pommel instead of simply above the pommel? I've noticed a lot that you folks only hold above the pommel and am wondering if there's a specific reason.
Michael Skinner It's advised in a treatise (forgot which one) to hold it in a way that's comfortable with them.
Hi... I like your videos, but with this one I am slightly confused. I was like: "Did they ever heard about 'durwechselln' or 'winden'." What you are showing in 2:16 is really dangerous position - with initiative you can simply win and it looks like you describing it as non-threatening. Could you explain this bit more specifically, please? In 2:43 - yes, but it is also bait for your oponent. When he tries to push your blade away - you avoid it and hit with following thrust (absetzen), it is quite fast and dangerous but from your perspective it looks like there is no advantages and this is not exactly accurate. It is real weakness to don't know how to fight against this fairly common way to do langort..
may i ask you, how about guardia di faccia, porta di ferro alta, and anonimo's coda lunga alta?
Is there a master cut that breaks long point?
Mark, when you come to him with the pre-fencing, if he then stands against you and holds the Long Point against your face or breast, then hold your sword on the right shoulder and squint with the face to the point, and do as if you will hew him there, and hew strongly with the Squinter with the short edge on his sword, and shoot in the long point therewith to the throat with a step to of the right foot.
OMG, so much green screen possibilities! :D
It is quite amusing watching Sean struggle to intentionally do something wrong. Consistent practice at efficiency makes it a little troublesome for him to do something inefficient it would seem.
Thought this boiled down to keep your point in their face?
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