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The degaussing coils that you pointed out didn't leak an electrical currant into the ships hull. They produced a predetermined magnetic field to cancel out the ships inherent magnetic signal hence , making the ship invisible to magnetic mines. Different coils incircled different sections of the ship as to the amount of iron there was to negate. I stored charts listing the amperage needed in each coil at different locations on the Earth and maintained a log of changes inspected by the XO.
Thank you! Ryan's explanation bugged me. If you're "leaking" electricity into the hull, you've created a whole host of problems that screw your electric plant, your hull, and your electronics, as well as your sailors. I was lucky enough to visit NSWCCD Philly, where they're developing superconducting degaussing coils that (should, eventually) weigh less and require less maintenance to do the same job.
@ 4:00 You are quite correct about how noisy a Iowa can be. We could hear Jersey on our gear over 100000 yards away, by our sonar path calcutations that shift. This is also why its pointless to mount anti sub weapons on a batteship like this. She would have been at the center of the fleet formation, and the 'little guys' (cruisers through frigates) would be stationed between her and where we thought the threat might be. THEY are the ones supposed to detect and engage the sub before she gets in torpedo range. So they are the ones with the ASW weapons! The Nixie is, as First Class Howland mentions, the OH SH!T backup defense; it was held in our division if she ever had to use it the battlegroup commander would pay us a visit looking to collect scalps! (and backsides)
Yeah, for a double courts-martial - Admiral Halsey for "sailing his fleet cavalierly into not just one, but two frikkin' typhoons!", and BuOrd, for the Mark XIV fiasco
@@dickJohnsonpeter I'm gonna help clarify for ya, Drach was in the U.S for a sightseeing trip during this if you watch the video on U.S.S the Sullivans from a day before they're actually in the same room as each other. Helps to watch their videos.
I was an STG1 when I left the Navy. Our division operated, repaired, and maintained the NIXIE equipment. @ 4:45 NIXIE actually doesn't detect anything. It radiates a series of frequencies in preselected patterns that are designed to attract torpedoes and prevent them from attacking the ship.
I’m another STG and served on two different guided missile destroyers (DDG) during the late 1970’s. On both ships (Adams class and Forest Sherman class) this was mounted on the fantail. Kind of a maintenance nightmare because it was exposed to the elements on the weather deck.
Interesting fact; the degaussing system requires that the cable he pointed out is one continuous piece, no splices or joints allowed. That means that when the cable was installed, it had to be pulled all the way around the hull three times. Dad worked for the Defoe shipyard in Bay City Michigan until they shut down in the 1960's; the last class of ship's they built were DDG's, and his description of the grunts pulling the cable around each hull was very.... descriptive.... Fortunately for him, as an I.C. electrician, he only had to work on the final connections when it was pulled into place....
@@craigtate5930 I remember him describing why, but I can't remember the exact details. He told me that story back when I was training in a machine building shop, industry came up with a new standard for automotive assembly line equipment for spot welding. Everything out a certain distance from the gun's had to be non magnetic, which meant stainless steel. My dad was laughing and wanted to know why we didn't just degauss the system. That's when he told me about it. And I can't just ask him again because he been gone going on five years....
Every Nimitz class carrier I was on had a dual Nixie drum out on the fantail, starboard side, just like the one shown here. I can remember on one hand how many times I heard about one being streamed over my 20 years, and 7 deployments.
So back in 81 I was one of the more junior AW’s on the USS America CV66 ASWModule. My first GQ station was manning, deploying and retrieving the Nixie on the fantail next to the jet engine shop. Great place to watch flight ops, though a ramp strike would have been unfortunate for me and the other guy! We were connected by sound powered phone to CIC/ASW.
@@imadequate3376 yea I think about that often, but this was the early days of “portable” VHS recorders and they were huge. Taking it with me from one end of the ship to the fantail during GQ probably would’ve been noticed. And, during my flying, those cameras weren’t conducive to joining you on an ejection seat. 😬
@@TheWookie_USN RAF crews used to take 8mm recorders with them sometimes, on craft with a navigator, obviously the pilot couldn't use it. I'll try to post a link in the next comment but they often get deleted these days
@@TheWookie_USN Bucc crews practising their low level skills, which are honestly just superhuman, they would invert when cresting hills so they could pull positive Gs to prevent skylining themselves and getting shot down ruclips.net/video/ex4pyyjav2o/видео.html
On the USS Iowa our helium storage was one deck below. We used to have to hand wrench the hatch in that room to access helium for our weather balloons.
we had nixie on my last ship, but if you need it odds are pretty good you're going for a swim soon. the fast attacks that accompany battle groups, and the ASW helicopters are a much better anti submarine/torpedo defense.
I was talking to a surface guy championing the nixie and I was like bro you know we carry more than one torpedo, right? Operation Talisman Saber we killed the Shitty Kitty 13 times in one day with never being found/counter-detected, then promptly removed from the wargame.
I was a SONAR Technician on the Oliver Hazard Perry Class Guided Missile Frigate USS Curts FFG-38 and remember running out our two NIXIE "fish" for maintenance on several occasions. The drums on New Jersey looks very similar to our, probably because they were from the same era. The main difference is we didn't have spare NIXIE fish.
_New Jersey_ , like most other "capital" ships, really depended on its escorts for anti-submarine warfare (ASW). I figure she was always escorted by at least one Ticonderoga-class cruiser and several ASW destroyers/frigates, possibly even a fast-attack sub - the best defense against subs is to have one of your own nearby.
IIRC, battleships in the 80's cruised in battleship groups, akin to carrier battle groups (or today, carrier strike groups), so New Jersey would have been accompanied by a couple of cruisers, a couple of destroyers, maybe more ships like frigates or submarines. Those ships & all the aircraft were her anti-sub defense, just like for carriers.
Ehhh, I would argue the point about a submarine being the best defense against another sub. I would actually argue the best defense against subs is ASW aircraft, as a Sub can do very little against an ASW aircraft except hope that it doesn't get detected by one, where as an attacking sub can attack and sink the escorting sub. This was especially the case in WW2, WW2 era subs where pretty bad against each other unless one got the drop on another surfaced sub.
In the modern era a battleship would be pretty much a sitting duck. In the first Iraq war it took multiple aircraft and ships using chaff and missiles to protect the Missouri from an inbound silkworm missile. Today anti ship missiles are so much better, a iowa class battleship would get turned into a reef almost instantly. Like the Moskva was
@0xFF48, I still think with the right protection, the Battleships could be an asset to the modern navy as fire support. It should have all of those protections mentioned and be a part of the carrier task force. There should be 2 new nuclear powered battleships of the Montana Class completely up to date with 2-18" Turrets, one on the bow and one aft, 3 barrells each and missiles in every space where room remains, with 5" guns, and twin 40's or 50's all around. Fully automated except for the main guns, the 5", and support weapons (manual), that would be an analog computer like the Iowas to allow the ship to function even if the satellites were down or if an EMP strike were to happen. They should use updated tech to make the shells reach farther inland than 24 miles and carry nuclear tipped shells as well, like the Iowas in the 50's. Be built to the same armor setup and make the hull thickness thicker than the Iowas so they will take torpedo hits. Thicker steel to take missile hits as well. Have the smaller ships protect both the carrier and the Battlewagon. That's my opinion.
Nixie was my GQ station on a frigate in the 90's. To defend against torpedoes you would need to already have nixe streamed and ready, you wouldn't be able to deploy it fast enough to react to a torpedo detection. The nixie room would have had a large electronics cabinet to drive the signals to the towed body. The fan coil unit was there to keep the electronics cool.
I expected to see the other kind of nixies in the Nixie Room…the little neon numerical display tubes that were the predecessors to seven-segment LEDs. Shows how much I know! Lol
I know he was thinking SLQ-25, but his mouth said SPQ-25 at about 0:23. then at 6:50 - very nice shot of the stern. The port side former 40 mm gun tub has something in it. If I remember the video correct storage of higher ocatane fuel for the UAV in the 1980s- rigged for quick discard overboard if necessary.
Carriers have a remote sponson on the port side aft by the fantail that is where MOGAS is stored. There are gas powered bomb hoists that the ordnancemen use sometimes to lift heavy stores onto pylons. The entire sponson has a manual release in a safe spot so you can jettison the gasoline if it is on fire.
Your mention of the crane reminded me to ask: does the ship have a general-purpose 'hold' space anywhere? Something for otherwise unassigned cargo that could be craned down into some empty compartment. If this were an Indiana Jones movie that's where the Ark would go, right?
There are a lot of "hold" spaces in the form of storerooms. They are not as easy to access as in a cargo ship because they are below the living spaces.
I would imagine there were all sorts of unassigned small compartments around the ship that could be used for storage. I mean, after all the museum did find a random office many years after taking possession of the ship. According to ship schematics the space it was in was just a void space.
Not sure, but since it's an armoured deck, the fewer big openings the better. I'd imagine there is storage space, but to get it there would be hand bombing.
Thanks for the video, I have pondered that those openings were for towing cable of sorts but haven't thought to ask so my thanks to whoever thought to ask, well done. My thanks to all who escorted our Capital Ships!
I think you covered my answer to your question in your Iowa vs Kirov video... anyway, my understanding is that the first acoustic decoy system was developed in WW2, actually, just a towed noisemaker, and that the Nixie was basically a refined or engineered version of those improvised or 1st-generation devices. Acoustic torpedoes were so new when they first appeared in small numbers in WW2 that nobody would likely have bothered fitting anything like that to a battleship that would be operating with ASW escorts.
Those degaussing cables carry high current but lower voltage direct current. The 440V you mention is what powers the degaussing motor generators. The cables don't "leak" electricity into the hull, they induce a weak magnetic field.
The latest Laser Defense system test demonstrates the survivability quotient for any vessel large enough to carry all the various layers of anti-air tech has improved tremendously and does give the reactivation for bombardment crowd another arrow in their quiver...assuming there is sufficient power for all the aforementioned whizbangs. Given that the Zumwalt class vessels are no longer to serve as the coastal tenderizers they were intended to be then why not go with the next better option? Even in this day and age of precision-guided bombs and missiles, there is still a quantifiable need for shell slingers. The advancements in artillery tech that are making rocket and even scramjet propulsion could potentially see a day come when maximum range could be in the 3-digit ballpark.
Reactivation would require the latest and greatest iteration of AN/SLQ-32, AN/SLQ-49 decoys (rubber ducks), NULKA, whatever is replacing SRBOC, losing at least one 16” turret and replacing it with as many Mk 41 VLS cells as possible, replacing the steam plant with either a shitload of gas turbines or go nuclear… By the time I’m done, it’ll be cheaper and more effective to procure about 20 DDG 51s.
AND - giving Ryan a commission as First Lieutenant in the US Navy Reserve, thus encrewing him onto the USS New Jersey for its deployments (Public Information Communications Broadcast Officer).
Nuclear powered battleship would be cool, but its something that should wait until we get railguns working because 9 railguns would be brutality if they ever work up to what the Navy and BAE systems claim/want them to. Even then of course its still a 1940s frame, I cant imagine the cost of a true total gut and upgrade to be a 100% modern navy suitable ship. I do wonder if the analog computer could compute guns with the muzzle velocity of a railgun though. They used the WW2 computers even in the 1990s for the main guns, They still worked fine and with a modern radar got more accurate because they had better input.
As far as i know the Us navy is working on a anti-torpedo system based on regular torpedos, while germany is developing a system called sea spider which uses smaller/faster/manoueverable and expandable underwater missiles! Also the russian RBU systems already in use are said to have some anti torpedo capabilitys!
At about 4:00 there's a filled in circle over Ryan's shoulder which looks to match the one visible above the "E" and "R" in the nameplates. Window for a crane operator in the pre-Nixie days? Sheltered lookout position?
I'm sure, much like carriers, battlewagons like the Iowas, in the 80's depended more on the battle-group assembled around them to screen her from submarine/torpedo attack, as well as aircraft. Operational point : Weren't the Iowas, when deployed in 1980's combat zones like the middle-east or Persian Gulf, part of a battle group that INCLUDED a carrier, for long-tange air defence from things like Backfire bombers full of anti-ship missiles? The modern mission was so different from what they were built for in the 40's, when fights between armored giants were expected, on the high seas. But they never got to face a Yamato.
I was on a destroyer and we were low value…BB’s and Carriers were high value, of course. We were ASW as are frigates and the subs…Jersey and the other three were pretty damn safe as we had ASROC’s for a possibility of a “wolfpack” type attack.
Nixie replaced the old T-MK6 Fanfare system. I was on a FF that had the T-MK6 replaced with Nixie in 1987. The problem with Nixie is its effective only against acoustic torpedoes. The Russians had (have) heavyweight wake homing torpedoes that track up a ship's wake. No effective/reliable defense for that other than acceleration & turning radius which our BB wasn't designed to do very well.
There is the 'barn door turn' if you want to get hard over as fast as possible, but I believe that putting the rudder hard over at like 80 degrees for that operation can do some damage to the steering gear *and* slows the ship way down.
Assuming you couldnt break contant with a full red october grade turn, the only thing that could disrupt a wake quick enough would be an explosion... depth charge (or any thing rigged as a depth charge) might break contact with one
Oh BTW, in addition to my previous Nixie comment. You mentioned in your video “why no sonar” on a BB. The same could be said about an an aircraft carrier, yet, CV66 had one managed by the AW’s in the CIC / ASWModule when I was there between 1/81 and 8/83. It was ripped out during the PNSY yard period in 1982. I believe that I was the last to hit the “ping” button towards the end of the 1981/82 Med-IO cruise. Yes, it makes no sense but there it was!
The "sense" behind it was that the carrier had such a deep draft that the actual sonar dome/transducer was below the thermocline, where the temperature of the water makes a sharp drop. For a destroyer with a shallow draft, the transmission would "bounce" off the thermocline back to the surface. A sub could get extremely close before being detected by active sonar. Was an experiment; worked, but told the sub exactly where the carrier was. And, as the carrier had no ASW weapons, aside from S-2/3 fixed wing and helicopters, was not really workable.
Sometimes when I watch one of these videos, I stop to think that EVERYTHING in those spaces had to be drawn on a drafting board and EVERYTHING had a lot of paper "working drawings" for the engineers, repair teams, etc.
And then you have to think about how many different teams of draftsmen were working on those plans. Some drew framing, others guns & associated equipment, there were drawings just for steam pipes & fittings, electrical, fuel oil bunkers and their associated pumps & piping, etc. Everyone had to talk with everyone else because as big as the ship was it was built to be just big enough for its equipment and no bigger. There was very little margin for error.
@@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont and no AutoCad, or Solid Works. Today’s engineers could never pull off almost anything like Iowa, bridges, buildings, using basic math, ME skills, CE skills, paper, slide rules, drafting tables, PM teamwork on the scale our fun men and women did years ago.
@@johnross6314 The argument has been made over the KC-46's camera that modern computer aided design has decreased the quality of our military hardware, allowing design mistakes old engineers would have seen with their eyeballs.
@@kingrpriddick yep, one of the big problems. Game Boy raised engineers have no idea. With almost all pre-baby boomers passed or in wheel chairs, and the few real sharp baby boomers left in workforce, no wonder Boeing is one cluster frack after another. So much to unpack for the real reasons of the planned by the taskmasters demise of USA and representing life, liberty, property, sacred honor. In the case of advanced development (fast paced completion) in .mil tech, we are in sad shape. Maybe, just maybe a handful of millennial and iGen people will unpack all the chaos, and be successful in keeping the whole thing from sinking into the abyss. We are at such a bad state now, there is not time for the classic example of the 25 year program called the massive frack up F35 like time to elapse before things recover.
In other videos, you discussed meeting with other ship museum curators (e.g. BB Texas, North Carolina, and most recently The Sullivans), have you have met or spoken with the folks working on IJN Mikasa or the ocean liner Hikawa Maru? Have you ever seen those ships? You said previously, you don't generally like ships out of water because of the long-term damage. I understand Mikasa was placed in concrete to meet the obligations under the 1922 Washington Naval Treaty. Is she flattening out?
Acoustic torpedoes were a WWII development (albeit less sophisticated than now, of course). There is a very interesting account of the incidents that prompted the UK to develop a counter (towed noisemaker) before the Germans actually deployed the weapons in Secret Naval Investigator by Commander F. Ashe Lincoln.
NJ and all large warship's best defense against subs is their escort screen. Then as now. Also, I'm willing to bet that AC wasn't for the people as much as the 1980's electronics!
MAD or Magnetic Anomaly Detector is NOT a dipping thing, you do that it doesn't do you any good. You have it underneath your helicopter and you fly around while looking at the Earth's magnetic field. Once you cross a big metallic object like a submarine or a ship, it will show a significant change in the magnetic field from the earth, indicating something metallic is below you. It isn't that useful for finding submarines, but confirming the true location of something triangulated with sonobouys (Triangulation isn't 100% accurate) it is a great tool.
I doubt the space would have been continuously maned. I imagine the air conditioning was more a humidity control for the electronics installed in the space.
They have those units all over the ship and they're not really air conditioners. Air conditioners use freon to remove the heat out of the air. Those are air coolers/chillers. They contain copper tubes and 43 degree chill water is run through them while fan motors recycle the air in the space through the unit. At 1:29 in the video you can clearly see two insulated lines running parallel to each other. They're the chill water supply and return to the cooling unit
@@ytlas3 The water is chilled using a heating pump ie the heart of an air conditioner. The cooling plant in a moderna supermarket is based on indirect cooling of even the freezers. Usually CO2 as distributing medium, while in the heating pump itself the refrigerating media could be propane, CO2, ammonia or some of the HFC. Including that both the condensing side cooling is based around indirect cooling to minimize the amount of refrigerating media.
@@TheStefanskoglund1 The chill water on Navy ships is chilled in one of the main AC refrigeration plants. It's the same chill water system that supplies all the chillers in habitability, radar cooling, magazines, etc. Only the chill water to the SLQ 32 antennas is in a separate loop since it's chill water mixed with glycol. The actual reefers probably used freon as their medium. The freon valves and piping on the front of refrigeration units require double wall insulation due to how cold the one side gets. So.... the point of the whole mess is that the units are coolers, not AC units. You'll only find chill water inlet and outlet, and a drain line. You won't find any kind of freon piping on those units.
@@ytlas3 This is an indirect system - they didn't use refrigerating agents directly in an air cooler like that. The condensing side was probably a sea water cooled condenser, though risks gettting seawater inside the refrigerating agent - bad. Much more durable using a heat carrying media like water from the engineering spaces boiler water plant in the AC plant. Trouble in the condenser ? Then you have desalinated clean water in the compressor etc - much easier to deal with. Compare this to a single sealed unit for a residential setting there both evaporating and condensing side is direct.
Prairie Maskers, modified, would work well as active countermeasure preventing finding and targeting Iowas. Towed array sonars would work great for detection and jamming. They would fit where the Pixies went. Conformal sonar would also be well utilized, regardless of the noise. Also, there is active tech to mask sound with these, like what your Bose noise canceling headphones do that would reduce signature. Today’s tech overcomes threats. New 7 blade or thrusters would reduce prop noise and signatures. There are a variety of wake canceling tech do deal with current/future wake homing weapons. These new on ship sensors should be used with massive an easy install active weapons creating a below surface battleship capability to wipe out underwater threats and weapons incoming. Like a F15EX type concept, Iowas would become giant warfare arms delivery system. Also, with those huge guns, they could be aimed to fire new advanced self propelled above water, and underwater weapons, delivered at basic hypersonic rate to the attack zone. Also think of this like a AC130 gun ship. It looks vulnerable, but against the enemy, those enemies want to be as far away as possible from the AC. With various networked battle and defense systems with other ships and subs, would also enhance the offensive and defensive capabilities. As a centerpiece or distributed massive offensive set of platforms. These ships are big enough to carry various high speed drone swarms both in the air and under the sea. We could do much with these excellent oiler powertrains. To silence, and or be used in stealthy noise mode to assist when needed and already on the attack other quiet new power/powertrain systems. Or, plenty of room to replace steam systems entirely with two to three Jimmy Carter or Ohio class, or Columbia class Uber quiet reactors. The only way we could afford, and the fastest way to create the 21st century battleship are grabbing these back. Verses creating them from scratch with the crappy criminal .mil industrial complex let loose to create something brand new. This platform is large enough to house anti space weapons aimed at Navy assets that are coming. And take a hit or close hit, and keep going. If I were POTUS, I would capture these all back into service. With a little bit of 21st century forward thinking, these would be affordable, and top capable platforms. Enemies would be want to run away underwater or above from this combined arms platform in one hull. Let alone working with other underwater and above water Navy and other service assets. If someone paid me, I would create a white paper that would go much farther and in detail why we need the 21st century large scale battle system. Unless someone was a woke moron, or a competing criminal not placing the best interest of the country/people first, no one would argue against the white paper. Great channel and great content! Thanks for asking for feedback if today or future, Iowas would be assets, competitive, and dominate against the enemies we are/will face. The answer is clearly yes. So say we all…. :)
Really enjoy your channel. I’ve visited the Iowa up in San Pedro. In regards to anti submarine defense, why wasn’t the New Jersey or Iowa equipped with the Asroc system when it became available?.perhaps the ships were decommissioned by that time. Thanks! John Harris Oceanside, Ca
80's era torpedos wouldn't leave a wake Ryan! i don;t think a nixie system would have mattered anyway they'd came at her with wire guided keel breaker torpedos!!
On Makin Island CVE 93, My father told me that they fire at a mine. As what he describes mostly small arms weapons from the officers and senior enlistments.
Great video! I would like to learn about the AN/SLQ-32 and other jamming defence against incoming missiles. Especially the likelyhood of successful jamming against soviet shipwreck missiles fired by the Kirovs or Slawas.
That's pretty funny to me. I would expect it's like a chute or something you see on those aircraft for deploying probes, but nope. Someone just grabs a nixie and yeets it out of a window.
MAYBE is the simple answer, the thing to remember is the Sullivans has a very thin hull even from shipyard which is thinner now, applying force to that weak hull, like even wide straps for lifting bags could just split that open
That MIGHT be a temporary thing to keep her afloat while repairs are made while still in the water, but it might not be possible without getting her out from between the quay wall and the Cruiser Little Rock. Floats like this are called "camels" and while they are an important salvage tool they are not the permanent fix the ship needs. Ideally she would be refloated and then drydocked at a shipyard for thorough and permanent repairs.
As part of a coordinated battle group, I think the ship would be adequately protected, particularly if we presume that the aircraft could deploy defenses and counter measures. On her own....no, capital ships would be "sitting ducks" but again, on their own was not really how they were supposed to operate. Thanks for these fascinating looks at the ship, her history, and life on board.
Interesting. I had forgotten about this tech. There is also other tech used for torpedo decoys IE the 5 inch room equipment on a submarine. That could work on a smaller ship. Plus some types of sonobuoy can be set to "echo" mode for active systems IE they can record on a loop about 2 seconds of sound from the ship then repeat it themselves. As for the anti-torpedo, torpedo's these have been worked on in one form or another for 50+ years. I can remember it being proposed that Mk 54 (I think) inch helicopter launched torpedo systems would be ideal. However they would be modified with a blast rod warhead rather than shaped charge. I don't think this ever got further than concept stage.
Ryan, To answer your question at the end, yes, I do think she was properly equipped with sensors and countermeasures. Both directly her own, and those of embarked helicopters. My reason for saying this, she is still there..... never sunk.
she was reactivated against a nation that at the time didn't have the type of weaponry he was talking about. A battleship like that would not survive a war against a modern power like China or Russia in the configuration she is in. As stated she has next to no submarine defense and while some of her AA is modern its sparse. She would serve as a propaganda tool and that would sadly be about it.
@@thatkancolleguy I guess I should have mentioned that I was replying to the part of the question: "at that time", not against a possible current enemy. But she never traveled alone.....
No.. Dick Cheney cut that out. And was part of the Bush Bot One brigade the started gutting DOD, especially the Navy and AF from his time late in Reagan years, Bush One years, and Bush Two. He is/was horrible strategic player. As bad as McNamara (JFK/LBJ days), and the various DOD chiefs in the Clinton days. That is bad to the point of criminal. :)
I didn't think CH-46's (pictured in this video around 4:28 or so ) had an ASW capability. I think the SH60s did and I read they considred putting those on the Iowas, but I don't know if they ever did. BTW I don't think MAD dips ino the sea - it's not a dipping sensor. I thinkl MAD is trailed behind the aircraft on a wire to increase the distance from magnetic fields from the aircraft and it's equipment. I believe some SH60 variants did carry a dippng sonar though. BSNJ has an escort group to defend her. If she is decoying torpedos and shooting down missile with her CIWS the situation has already gone to poop.
I would assume that New Jersey would still not suffer from being too large or "slow" or easily attacked. Supercarriers have the same issues and like supercarriers, New Jersey would not enter battle solo, but as flagship of a fleet or taskforce. Defending the BB would be the job of other ships, while the BB's job is to use those big big big guns to explodiate the enemy.
again, it boils down to "never send a capital ship out on her own". unless you intend to get sunk in a heroic but futile battle. when USS Iowa visited my home port, very many years ago, she was accompanied by USS Ticonderoga for air defense and some frigate (sorry, can't remember that one) for anti sub warfare. I seem to remember that it was suggested there would be a SSN joining the group to reinforce that anti sub thing if so required. that makes perfect sense, as either you can kill other subs using your own hunter-killer, or you can prosecute underwater contacts using the frigate and the helos.
@@calebvaldecanas8867 in fact it wasnt- I was thinking of several incidences in the Atlantic theater of ops, during WW II, not wanting to name specífic ships.
As far as modern countermeasures, it seems like the US Navy is throwing a lot of money and research into laser technology for anti missile defense since you can't fly a missile faster than light. As a smart man once probably said, "If you can track it... you can kill it." And this is the first I've heard of the anti torpedo torpedo, but seems like a good idea to me.
Lasers are useless in fog or misty conditions, Plus they need multiple seconds to damage a target,Good for slow moving drones but useless against high speed threats,
@@wst8340 This is early in the evolution of lasers as real weapons. In the beginning radar didn't work well in the rain. Early laser range finders didn't work well in the rain, but now radar works fine in the rain and even commercially available laser range finders will work in the rain. Maybe the technology will be a dead end, but not because of rain or fog.
@@Odin029 I think it will be more a power issue, if you brute force enough power into the laser, the attenuation from rain/fog will be overcome, but it would take a ridiculous amount of power to just ignore the fact that its foggy out and hit a missile from any decent range. But who knows, maybe we will find a way. Also, the anti-torpedo, torpedo, has been a research subject for a while now. But I believe are only just becoming practical. They effectively track an incoming torpedo, attempt to get within a close distance / direct contact, and explode to destroy the incoming torpedo. It's a lot easier underwater to destroy as the shockwave will still mess it up if it's close, probably easier than the US-supplied anti-rocket rockets that Israel uses. The Iron Dome Missile Defense System. I would assume the torpedo's work on a similar premise.
Yea, it doesn’t need much for sub defense, it wins through sheer force of will. And an entire group of other ships around it but “sheer force of will” sounds cooler. It’s also super cool that despite resigning they named it after President Nixie. Wait, or was it the grocery store down south, Winn-Nixie. Hmm.
We know that anti-torpedo torpedoes had been in development for quite some time, but the US Navy has only recently-ish released any details, and they did so while announcing they were, or already have, ended their highly secretive development programme as a failure while stating such systems are to be, or have, been removed from carriers at this time. They reportedly did achieve some level of progress and success, but not enough fast enough. This very public cancellation of a previously secretive project also implies either that the USN has or is developing some form of replacement technology that is reaching a reasonable level of development, or that the limitations of the technology were so widely known and so extensive that it became moot to keep secret, else it would not make sense to publicly reveal such a failure. There was a big desire to peruse systems and technologies that could increase a task force's, and particularly a carrier's resistance to torpedo attack by submarine previously, as the vulnerability of carrier groups has been demonstrated repeatedly in exercises in recent years so there was a massive push to try and figure out how to increase their survivability. I would be surprised if this push has been cancelled outright, so if it appears to have ended then in my eyes it either means that satisfactory technologies have been developed and implemented already that we are not aware of that accomplish these objectives, or new additional programs are ongoing to find a solution.
Sadly with enough decoy drones followed up with a layered barrage of multiple ballistic missile types would be enough for China to near instantaneously sink a carrier or two if things ever went hot around Taiwan 😐 I haven't seen many pictures of carriers smothered in double sized CIWS systems, so I'm not sure what the plan would be... Enough missiles alone could easily be sent to outnumber the short/long range defense missles... And I don't think electronic countermeasures will play much of a part... Scary to think about, that's for sure, because I don't see the US carrying out preemptive strikes on China while "defending" Taiwan. Hopefully a situation we never have to see playout.
I was looking for someone to say this. My understanding is the anti-torpedo system on carriers' sterns was tried and deemed a failure and is or has been removed already.
@@Marin3r101 🤣 excellent observation... Now he must pronounce Aluminum correctly, and *properly* spell the circular rubber objects which go around a car's wheels! 🧐🥸
I bet they'll spend a billion dollars and end up with kevlar or dyneema anti torpedo nets. On a carrier size vessel you could hang them pretty far out. These days you could spen a couple more billion dollars and develop automous anti tropedo net tugs that float and move the net and keep it a certakn distance away from the ship. That would mean the torpedo would probably need to do some kind of pop up manouvure from under the nets to get under the keel and hopefully significantly increase the difficulty of guidance and fusing. And make some defense contractors very, very happy and there shareholders even richer.
Was Nixie LPO aboard USS Kitty Hawk in 1996 - also wondered about it's need - though the Soviet wake-homing torpedoes MIGHT have been distracted. Nixie was under the ASWModule control. Got to agree with others that a battleship or carrier really only could make use of an ASW system like Nixie - they're too loud for passive sonar, an ASW division takes up more space and berthing... the small boys should be doing the ASW to keep subs clear of the capital / HVT ships. A CARRIER has an ASWModule to analyze the data brought back by the embarked ASW Aircraft - we had no passive sonar... well unless you had crazy AW/ST types who might throw a passive sonobouy over like we did when we had an ROK sub alongside to "cheat" and start the tracking 30 minutes before he exercise FYI - MAD (Magnetic Anomaly Detector) did NOT "Dip" - on helicopters it "streams" behind the bird on a cable, and on fixed wing birds (Orion & Viking) it was affixed to the rear of the aircraft as a "boom".
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The degaussing coils that you pointed out didn't leak an electrical currant into the ships hull. They produced a predetermined magnetic field to cancel out the ships inherent magnetic signal hence , making the ship invisible to magnetic mines. Different coils incircled different sections of the ship as to the amount of iron there was to negate. I stored charts listing the amperage needed in each coil at different locations on the Earth and maintained a log of changes inspected by the XO.
Thank you! Ryan's explanation bugged me. If you're "leaking" electricity into the hull, you've created a whole host of problems that screw your electric plant, your hull, and your electronics, as well as your sailors. I was lucky enough to visit NSWCCD Philly, where they're developing superconducting degaussing coils that (should, eventually) weigh less and require less maintenance to do the same job.
@@ross82who said anything about magnesium
@ 4:00 You are quite correct about how noisy a Iowa can be. We could hear Jersey on our gear over 100000 yards away, by our sonar path calcutations that shift. This is also why its pointless to mount anti sub weapons on a batteship like this. She would have been at the center of the fleet formation, and the 'little guys' (cruisers through frigates) would be stationed between her and where we thought the threat might be. THEY are the ones supposed to detect and engage the sub before she gets in torpedo range. So they are the ones with the ASW weapons!
The Nixie is, as First Class Howland mentions, the OH SH!T backup defense; it was held in our division if she ever had to use it the battlegroup commander would pay us a visit looking to collect scalps! (and backsides)
I was kinda expecting to see drachinifel just wandering around the ship while Ryan was filming.
Yeah, for a double courts-martial - Admiral Halsey for "sailing his fleet cavalierly into not just one, but two frikkin' typhoons!", and BuOrd, for the Mark XIV fiasco
He was clinging upside-down from a degaussing bundle, they just didn't sweep the camera past it.
A what??
He was. Ryan just didn’t see him.
@@dickJohnsonpeter I'm gonna help clarify for ya, Drach was in the U.S for a sightseeing trip during this if you watch the video on U.S.S the Sullivans from a day before they're actually in the same room as each other. Helps to watch their videos.
I was an STG1 when I left the Navy. Our division operated, repaired, and maintained the NIXIE equipment. @ 4:45 NIXIE actually doesn't detect anything. It radiates a series of frequencies in preselected patterns that are designed to attract torpedoes and prevent them from attacking the ship.
I was going to ask what rating operated this equipment. I guess you answered that.
Pheromones for torpedoes...
I’m another STG and served on two different guided missile destroyers (DDG) during the late 1970’s. On both ships (Adams class and Forest Sherman class) this was mounted on the fantail. Kind of a maintenance nightmare because it was exposed to the elements on the weather deck.
Yeah. He misspoke about how the Nixie operates.
Another Stg here.. also was gonna say. The A/c is for the equipment not the crew lol
Interesting fact; the degaussing system requires that the cable he pointed out is one continuous piece, no splices or joints allowed. That means that when the cable was installed, it had to be pulled all the way around the hull three times. Dad worked for the Defoe shipyard in Bay City Michigan until they shut down in the 1960's; the last class of ship's they built were DDG's, and his description of the grunts pulling the cable around each hull was very.... descriptive.... Fortunately for him, as an I.C. electrician, he only had to work on the final connections when it was pulled into place....
Any idea why it could not be spliced?
@@craigtate5930 I remember him describing why, but I can't remember the exact details. He told me that story back when I was training in a machine building shop, industry came up with a new standard for automotive assembly line equipment for spot welding. Everything out a certain distance from the gun's had to be non magnetic, which meant stainless steel. My dad was laughing and wanted to know why we didn't just degauss the system. That's when he told me about it. And I can't just ask him again because he been gone going on five years....
@@7891ph thanks
Every Nimitz class carrier I was on had a dual Nixie drum out on the fantail, starboard side, just like the one shown here. I can remember on one hand how many times I heard about one being streamed over my 20 years, and 7 deployments.
So back in 81 I was one of the more junior AW’s on the USS America CV66 ASWModule. My first GQ station was manning, deploying and retrieving the Nixie on the fantail next to the jet engine shop. Great place to watch flight ops, though a ramp strike would have been unfortunate for me and the other guy! We were connected by sound powered phone to CIC/ASW.
Man I wish you had film of that view, that must have been awesome. Thank you for your service
@@imadequate3376 yea I think about that often, but this was the early days of “portable” VHS recorders and they were huge. Taking it with me from one end of the ship to the fantail during GQ probably would’ve been noticed. And, during my flying, those cameras weren’t conducive to joining you on an ejection seat. 😬
Why is it called the Nixie?
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RAF crews used to take 8mm recorders with them sometimes, on craft with a navigator, obviously the pilot couldn't use it.
I'll try to post a link in the next comment but they often get deleted these days
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Bucc crews practising their low level skills, which are honestly just superhuman, they would invert when cresting hills so they could pull positive Gs to prevent skylining themselves and getting shot down
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On the USS Iowa our helium storage was one deck below. We used to have to hand wrench the hatch in that room to access helium for our weather balloons.
Just stopped at the USS North Carolina today. Going to take the family north to see the USS Wisconsin soon.
Same here! Wisconsin is the next one. I’m down in Charlotte so I’ve been to NC twice so far, hoping to again this year!
How did the old girl look? Its been nearly a decade since I've seen her well before they put the cofferdam in place.
@@thatkancolleguy still doing renovations. Looks a lot less rusty than the USS Alabama last October.
@@decepticonshadows3901 you need to visit the USS Alabama in Mobile
@@kurt53641 I plan on visiting all 8 battleships plus Arizona. The next closest after NC is Wisconsin. The rest are like 10+ hours away lol
we had nixie on my last ship, but if you need it odds are pretty good you're going for a swim soon. the fast attacks that accompany battle groups, and the ASW helicopters are a much better anti submarine/torpedo defense.
It was probably just intended as a last ditch effort if everything else fails.
I was talking to a surface guy championing the nixie and I was like bro you know we carry more than one torpedo, right? Operation Talisman Saber we killed the Shitty Kitty 13 times in one day with never being found/counter-detected, then promptly removed from the wargame.
I was a SONAR Technician on the Oliver Hazard Perry Class Guided Missile Frigate USS Curts FFG-38 and remember running out our two NIXIE "fish" for maintenance on several occasions. The drums on New Jersey looks very similar to our, probably because they were from the same era. The main difference is we didn't have spare NIXIE fish.
I was an ET on USS Rodney M Davis (FFG 60) and was waxing similar nostalgia to you.
I watched CURTS leave Yokosuka in 1997.
@@DILLIGAF2101 I came on board Curts in 1999 after her return to San Diego. I met her in Puerto Rico on deployment and sailed back through the Ditch.
I was an STG on Underwood FFG-36. We had two towed bodies but no spares.
I'm an EE geek so to me NIXIE means the preLED neon tube numeric display.
For me also (AE1)
_New Jersey_ , like most other "capital" ships, really depended on its escorts for anti-submarine warfare (ASW). I figure she was always escorted by at least one Ticonderoga-class cruiser and several ASW destroyers/frigates, possibly even a fast-attack sub - the best defense against subs is to have one of your own nearby.
IIRC, battleships in the 80's cruised in battleship groups, akin to carrier battle groups (or today, carrier strike groups), so New Jersey would have been accompanied by a couple of cruisers, a couple of destroyers, maybe more ships like frigates or submarines. Those ships & all the aircraft were her anti-sub defense, just like for carriers.
Ace in the hole!
Ehhh, I would argue the point about a submarine being the best defense against another sub. I would actually argue the best defense against subs is ASW aircraft, as a Sub can do very little against an ASW aircraft except hope that it doesn't get detected by one, where as an attacking sub can attack and sink the escorting sub.
This was especially the case in WW2, WW2 era subs where pretty bad against each other unless one got the drop on another surfaced sub.
In the modern era a battleship would be pretty much a sitting duck. In the first Iraq war it took multiple aircraft and ships using chaff and missiles to protect the Missouri from an inbound silkworm missile.
Today anti ship missiles are so much better, a iowa class battleship would get turned into a reef almost instantly. Like the Moskva was
@0xFF48, I still think with the right protection, the Battleships could be an asset to the modern navy as fire support. It should have all of those protections mentioned and be a part of the carrier task force. There should be 2 new nuclear powered battleships of the Montana Class completely up to date with 2-18" Turrets, one on the bow and one aft, 3 barrells each and missiles in every space where room remains, with 5" guns, and twin 40's or 50's all around. Fully automated except for the main guns, the 5", and support weapons (manual), that would be an analog computer like the Iowas to allow the ship to function even if the satellites were down or if an EMP strike were to happen. They should use updated tech to make the shells reach farther inland than 24 miles and carry nuclear tipped shells as well, like the Iowas in the 50's. Be built to the same armor setup and make the hull thickness thicker than the Iowas so they will take torpedo hits. Thicker steel to take missile hits as well. Have the smaller ships protect both the carrier and the Battlewagon. That's my opinion.
Nixie was my GQ station on a frigate in the 90's. To defend against torpedoes you would need to already have nixe streamed and ready, you wouldn't be able to deploy it fast enough to react to a torpedo detection. The nixie room would have had a large electronics cabinet to drive the signals to the towed body. The fan coil unit was there to keep the electronics cool.
I knew the air had to be there for the electronics equipment. Glad you survived.
@@thomasmoore8142 For GQ it was sitting in an air conditioned space, on the sound powered phones, trying to stay awake. I usually kept a book there.
Great video from the battleship.
Wow! 100k Subscribers! Pretty soon you'll hit a quarter of a million.
Those metal waterbreaks are actually called cofferdams per the DC manual. I had to do PMS on those when I was on the USS Carl Vinson.
I had no idea this room existed on the battleship until Libby took us there on a tour - so cool! Thank you fro doing a vid on it
I expected to see the other kind of nixies in the Nixie Room…the little neon numerical display tubes that were the predecessors to seven-segment LEDs. Shows how much I know! Lol
I know he was thinking SLQ-25, but his mouth said SPQ-25 at about 0:23. then at 6:50 - very nice shot of the stern. The port side former 40 mm gun tub has something in it. If I remember the video correct storage of higher ocatane fuel for the UAV in the 1980s- rigged for quick discard overboard if necessary.
Carriers have a remote sponson on the port side aft by the fantail that is where MOGAS is stored. There are gas powered bomb hoists that the ordnancemen use sometimes to lift heavy stores onto pylons. The entire sponson has a manual release in a safe spot so you can jettison the gasoline if it is on fire.
great job, as usual, Ryan !!!!!
2:30 Rooster tail. Odd term to hear applied to something as large as an Iowa.
Your mention of the crane reminded me to ask: does the ship have a general-purpose 'hold' space anywhere? Something for otherwise unassigned cargo that could be craned down into some empty compartment. If this were an Indiana Jones movie that's where the Ark would go, right?
There are a lot of "hold" spaces in the form of storerooms. They are not as easy to access as in a cargo ship because they are below the living spaces.
I would imagine there were all sorts of unassigned small compartments around the ship that could be used for storage. I mean, after all the museum did find a random office many years after taking possession of the ship. According to ship schematics the space it was in was just a void space.
When you look at almost anything you will find a space to store something.
Just don't forget where you have stored anything.
Not sure, but since it's an armoured deck, the fewer big openings the better. I'd imagine there is storage space, but to get it there would be hand bombing.
@@watsonlr The storage spaces are fore and aft of the armor.
Thanks for the video, I have pondered that those openings were for towing cable of sorts but haven't thought to ask so my thanks to whoever thought to ask, well done.
My thanks to all who escorted our Capital Ships!
I think you covered my answer to your question in your Iowa vs Kirov video... anyway, my understanding is that the first acoustic decoy system was developed in WW2, actually, just a towed noisemaker, and that the Nixie was basically a refined or engineered version of those improvised or 1st-generation devices. Acoustic torpedoes were so new when they first appeared in small numbers in WW2 that nobody would likely have bothered fitting anything like that to a battleship that would be operating with ASW escorts.
Those degaussing cables carry high current but lower voltage direct current. The 440V you mention is what powers the degaussing motor generators. The cables don't "leak" electricity into the hull, they induce a weak magnetic field.
The latest Laser Defense system test demonstrates the survivability quotient for any vessel large enough to carry all the various layers of anti-air tech has improved tremendously and does give the reactivation for bombardment crowd another arrow in their quiver...assuming there is sufficient power for all the aforementioned whizbangs.
Given that the Zumwalt class vessels are no longer to serve as the coastal tenderizers they were intended to be then why not go with the next better option? Even in this day and age of precision-guided bombs and missiles, there is still a quantifiable need for shell slingers. The advancements in artillery tech that are making rocket and even scramjet propulsion could potentially see a day come when maximum range could be in the 3-digit ballpark.
Reactivation would require the latest and greatest iteration of AN/SLQ-32, AN/SLQ-49 decoys (rubber ducks), NULKA, whatever is replacing SRBOC, losing at least one 16” turret and replacing it with as many Mk 41 VLS cells as possible, replacing the steam plant with either a shitload of gas turbines or go nuclear… By the time I’m done, it’ll be cheaper and more effective to procure about 20 DDG 51s.
Plus you would have to close the gift shop!
AND - giving Ryan a commission as First Lieutenant in the US Navy Reserve, thus encrewing him onto the USS New Jersey for its deployments (Public Information Communications Broadcast Officer).
Nuclear powered battleship would be cool, but its something that should wait until we get railguns working because 9 railguns would be brutality if they ever work up to what the Navy and BAE systems claim/want them to.
Even then of course its still a 1940s frame, I cant imagine the cost of a true total gut and upgrade to be a 100% modern navy suitable ship. I do wonder if the analog computer could compute guns with the muzzle velocity of a railgun though. They used the WW2 computers even in the 1990s for the main guns, They still worked fine and with a modern radar got more accurate because they had better input.
8:20 we also have a flying torpedo that gets launched from the P8 now!
As far as i know the Us navy is working on a anti-torpedo system based on regular torpedos, while germany is developing a system called sea spider which uses smaller/faster/manoueverable and expandable underwater missiles! Also the russian RBU systems already in use are said to have some anti torpedo capabilitys!
RBU's are a weapon of chance, not skill.
@@tomtrenter3208 Agreed!
Fascinating information.
With Nixie, you need an advanced warning. Because it is not a quick to deploy decoy. There should be a Nixie Remote Unit in CIC or more likely in CEC.
Refer to my post above.
At about 4:00 there's a filled in circle over Ryan's shoulder which looks to match the one visible above the "E" and "R" in the nameplates. Window for a crane operator in the pre-Nixie days? Sheltered lookout position?
Very cool. Thanks!
Great video thank you 😊. Keep up the great work
I'm sure, much like carriers, battlewagons like the Iowas, in the 80's depended more on the battle-group assembled around them to screen her from submarine/torpedo attack, as well as aircraft.
Operational point : Weren't the Iowas, when deployed in 1980's combat zones like the middle-east or Persian Gulf, part of a battle group that INCLUDED a carrier, for long-tange air defence from things like Backfire bombers full of anti-ship missiles? The modern mission was so different from what they were built for in the 40's, when fights between armored giants were expected, on the high seas. But they never got to face a Yamato.
I was on a destroyer and we were low value…BB’s and Carriers were high value, of course. We were ASW as are frigates and the subs…Jersey and the other three were pretty damn safe as we had ASROC’s for a possibility of a “wolfpack” type attack.
Nixie replaced the old T-MK6 Fanfare system. I was on a FF that had the T-MK6 replaced with Nixie in 1987. The problem with Nixie is its effective only against acoustic torpedoes. The Russians had (have) heavyweight wake homing torpedoes that track up a ship's wake. No effective/reliable defense for that other than acceleration & turning radius which our BB wasn't designed to do very well.
Same here. As an FF ST I got to work with both Nixie and T-MK6 on 3 different Knox cans.
There is the 'barn door turn' if you want to get hard over as fast as possible, but I believe that putting the rudder hard over at like 80 degrees for that operation can do some damage to the steering gear *and* slows the ship way down.
@@Vehrec Well when SHTF, think fast or eat ass.
Assuming you couldnt break contant with a full red october grade turn, the only thing that could disrupt a wake quick enough would be an explosion... depth charge (or any thing rigged as a depth charge) might break contact with one
Liked seeing all of the Phrog images in the video.
Nixies great at telling you where a ship is and where to aim.
Oh BTW, in addition to my previous Nixie comment. You mentioned in your video “why no sonar” on a BB. The same could be said about an an aircraft carrier, yet, CV66 had one managed by the AW’s in the CIC / ASWModule when I was there between 1/81 and 8/83. It was ripped out during the PNSY yard period in 1982. I believe that I was the last to hit the “ping” button towards the end of the 1981/82 Med-IO cruise. Yes, it makes no sense but there it was!
The "sense" behind it was that the carrier had such a deep draft that the actual sonar dome/transducer was below the thermocline, where the temperature of the water makes a sharp drop. For a destroyer with a shallow draft, the transmission would "bounce" off the thermocline back to the surface. A sub could get extremely close before being detected by active sonar. Was an experiment; worked, but told the sub exactly where the carrier was. And, as the carrier had no ASW weapons, aside from S-2/3 fixed wing and helicopters, was not really workable.
Thank You ,
Love what you do. Keep it up!
Sometimes when I watch one of these videos, I stop to think that EVERYTHING in those spaces had to be drawn on a drafting board and EVERYTHING had a lot of paper "working drawings" for the engineers, repair teams, etc.
And then you have to think about how many different teams of draftsmen were working on those plans. Some drew framing, others guns & associated equipment, there were drawings just for steam pipes & fittings, electrical, fuel oil bunkers and their associated pumps & piping, etc. Everyone had to talk with everyone else because as big as the ship was it was built to be just big enough for its equipment and no bigger. There was very little margin for error.
@@NH2112 and they did it all without smartphones and email!
@@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont and no AutoCad, or Solid Works. Today’s engineers could never pull off almost anything like Iowa, bridges, buildings, using basic math, ME skills, CE skills, paper, slide rules, drafting tables, PM teamwork on the scale our fun men and women did years ago.
@@johnross6314 The argument has been made over the KC-46's camera that modern computer aided design has decreased the quality of our military hardware, allowing design mistakes old engineers would have seen with their eyeballs.
@@kingrpriddick yep, one of the big problems. Game Boy raised engineers have no idea. With almost all pre-baby boomers passed or in wheel chairs, and the few real sharp baby boomers left in workforce, no wonder Boeing is one cluster frack after another. So much to unpack for the real reasons of the planned by the taskmasters demise of USA and representing life, liberty, property, sacred honor. In the case of advanced development (fast paced completion) in .mil tech, we are in sad shape. Maybe, just maybe a handful of millennial and iGen people will unpack all the chaos, and be successful in keeping the whole thing from sinking into the abyss. We are at such a bad state now, there is not time for the classic example of the 25 year program called the massive frack up F35 like time to elapse before things recover.
Thank You 😊
In other videos, you discussed meeting with other ship museum curators (e.g. BB Texas, North Carolina, and most recently The Sullivans), have you have met or spoken with the folks working on IJN Mikasa or the ocean liner Hikawa Maru? Have you ever seen those ships?
You said previously, you don't generally like ships out of water because of the long-term damage. I understand Mikasa was placed in concrete to meet the obligations under the 1922 Washington Naval Treaty. Is she flattening out?
Acoustic torpedoes were a WWII development (albeit less sophisticated than now, of course). There is a very interesting account of the incidents that prompted the UK to develop a counter (towed noisemaker) before the Germans actually deployed the weapons in Secret Naval Investigator by Commander F. Ashe Lincoln.
Nixies have their own room? I thought they had their own tube full of inert gas.
@@bwhaz Sorry. I have a distinctly electrical engineering sense of humour.
I see what you did there.
The nixie was my first battle station when I got on the ship in 86’
NJ and all large warship's best defense against subs is their escort screen. Then as now. Also, I'm willing to bet that AC wasn't for the people as much as the 1980's electronics!
Can you do a video on the Revolt of the Admirals?
never heard of this before ...neat
MAD or Magnetic Anomaly Detector is NOT a dipping thing, you do that it doesn't do you any good.
You have it underneath your helicopter and you fly around while looking at the Earth's magnetic field.
Once you cross a big metallic object like a submarine or a ship, it will show a significant change in the magnetic field from the earth, indicating something metallic is below you.
It isn't that useful for finding submarines, but confirming the true location of something triangulated with sonobouys (Triangulation isn't 100% accurate) it is a great tool.
I doubt the space would have been continuously maned. I imagine the air conditioning was more a humidity control for the electronics installed in the space.
They have those units all over the ship and they're not really air conditioners. Air conditioners use freon to remove the heat out of the air. Those are air coolers/chillers. They contain copper tubes and 43 degree chill water is run through them while fan motors recycle the air in the space through the unit. At 1:29 in the video you can clearly see two insulated lines running parallel to each other. They're the chill water supply and return to the cooling unit
@@ytlas3 The water is chilled using a heating pump ie the heart of an air conditioner.
The cooling plant in a moderna supermarket is based on indirect cooling of even the freezers.
Usually CO2 as distributing medium, while in the heating pump itself the refrigerating media could be propane, CO2, ammonia or some of the HFC.
Including that both the condensing side cooling is based around indirect cooling to minimize the amount of refrigerating media.
@@TheStefanskoglund1 The chill water on Navy ships is chilled in one of the main AC refrigeration plants. It's the same chill water system that supplies all the chillers in habitability, radar cooling, magazines, etc. Only the chill water to the SLQ 32 antennas is in a separate loop since it's chill water mixed with glycol. The actual reefers probably used freon as their medium. The freon valves and piping on the front of refrigeration units require double wall insulation due to how cold the one side gets. So.... the point of the whole mess is that the units are coolers, not AC units. You'll only find chill water inlet and outlet, and a drain line. You won't find any kind of freon piping on those units.
@@ytlas3 This is an indirect system - they didn't use refrigerating agents directly in an air cooler like that. The condensing side was probably a sea water cooled condenser, though risks gettting seawater inside the refrigerating agent - bad. Much more durable using a heat carrying media like water from the engineering spaces boiler water plant in the AC plant.
Trouble in the condenser ? Then you have desalinated clean water in the compressor etc - much easier to deal with.
Compare this to a single sealed unit for a residential setting there both evaporating and condensing side is direct.
Prairie Maskers, modified, would work well as active countermeasure preventing finding and targeting Iowas. Towed array sonars would work great for detection and jamming. They would fit where the Pixies went. Conformal sonar would also be well utilized, regardless of the noise. Also, there is active tech to mask sound with these, like what your Bose noise canceling headphones do that would reduce signature. Today’s tech overcomes threats. New 7 blade or thrusters would reduce prop noise and signatures. There are a variety of wake canceling tech do deal with current/future wake homing weapons.
These new on ship sensors should be used with massive an easy install active weapons creating a below surface battleship capability to wipe out underwater threats and weapons incoming. Like a F15EX type concept, Iowas would become giant warfare arms delivery system. Also, with those huge guns, they could be aimed to fire new advanced self propelled above water, and underwater weapons, delivered at basic hypersonic rate to the attack zone. Also think of this like a AC130 gun ship. It looks vulnerable, but against the enemy, those enemies want to be as far away as possible from the AC.
With various networked battle and defense systems with other ships and subs, would also enhance the offensive and defensive capabilities. As a centerpiece or distributed massive offensive set of platforms.
These ships are big enough to carry various high speed drone swarms both in the air and under the sea.
We could do much with these excellent oiler powertrains. To silence, and or be used in stealthy noise mode to assist when needed and already on the attack other quiet new power/powertrain systems. Or, plenty of room to replace steam systems entirely with two to three Jimmy Carter or Ohio class, or Columbia class Uber quiet reactors.
The only way we could afford, and the fastest way to create the 21st century battleship are grabbing these back. Verses creating them from scratch with the crappy criminal .mil industrial complex let loose to create something brand new.
This platform is large enough to house anti space weapons aimed at Navy assets that are coming. And take a hit or close hit, and keep going.
If I were POTUS, I would capture these all back into service. With a little bit of 21st century forward thinking, these would be affordable, and top capable platforms. Enemies would be want to run away underwater or above from this combined arms platform in one hull. Let alone working with other underwater and above water Navy and other service assets. If someone paid me, I would create a white paper that would go much farther and in detail why we need the 21st century large scale battle system. Unless someone was a woke moron, or a competing criminal not placing the best interest of the country/people first, no one would argue against the white paper.
Great channel and great content! Thanks for asking for feedback if today or future, Iowas would be assets, competitive, and dominate against the enemies we are/will face. The answer is clearly yes. So say we all…. :)
Thought for a video idea, by satellite view, explain what types of ships are in( for instance )the Philadelphia navy yard and others?
I have heard there was a upgrade discussed for the Iowas that would have seen the rear turret pulled off in favor of a Mk 41 VLS?
Really enjoy your channel. I’ve visited the Iowa up in San Pedro. In regards to anti submarine defense, why wasn’t the New Jersey or Iowa equipped with the Asroc system when it became available?.perhaps the ships were decommissioned by that time.
Thanks!
John Harris
Oceanside, Ca
I'd like to see a nuclear powered rail gun battleship. You can't jam physics!
80's era torpedos wouldn't leave a wake Ryan! i don;t think a nixie system would have mattered anyway they'd came at her with wire guided keel breaker torpedos!!
Only reason to reactivate an Iowa would be to use it as a test bed for Railguns.
On Makin Island CVE 93, My father told me that they fire at a mine. As what he describes mostly small arms weapons from the officers and senior enlistments.
there should be a set of "rattle bars" that could also be streamed with or in place of the Nixie that was unpowered accoustic noise maker.
They still using nixie and degaussing today, along with dropped acoustic decoys as well.
Great video! I would like to learn about the AN/SLQ-32 and other jamming defence against incoming missiles. Especially the likelyhood of successful jamming against soviet shipwreck missiles fired by the Kirovs or Slawas.
That's pretty funny to me.
I would expect it's like a chute or something you see on those aircraft for deploying probes, but nope.
Someone just grabs a nixie and yeets it out of a window.
The US anti torpedo torpedo system has been removed from the carriers. Navy said they didn't work.
New Jersey is pretty old at this point. I don't see her being reactivated anymore. Great video though
I just saw Ryan on a news channel talking about the USS Sullivans. Hey Ryan can't they use inflatable bladders to right that side of the ship?
MAYBE is the simple answer, the thing to remember is the Sullivans has a very thin hull even from shipyard which is thinner now, applying force to that weak hull, like even wide straps for lifting bags could just split that open
Terrible for the Sullivans. I will donate what I can. Hope all you members will try also. She needs saving.
That MIGHT be a temporary thing to keep her afloat while repairs are made while still in the water, but it might not be possible without getting her out from between the quay wall and the Cruiser Little Rock. Floats like this are called "camels" and while they are an important salvage tool they are not the permanent fix the ship needs. Ideally she would be refloated and then drydocked at a shipyard for thorough and permanent repairs.
It's USS The Sullivans. The 'the' is part of the name.
@@michaelsommers2356 You are of course correct.
the United States' Ship The Sullivans
My child's name is Nixie - but I've never heard of a "Nixie" system on a Navy ship (even though I flew in the Navy from 1990-1995). Great video.
NIXIE is also a great type of electronic display tube. Electronic techs love them as does many old timers.
Thanks Ryan for another off the tour route video location. Are you planning to do one of the Helicopter Control Station in the future ?
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The Nixie would be a successor to the Foxer and Fanfare torpedo decoys used in WWII.
Looked like a good place to take a nap with the A/C there.
Battleship _New Jersey's_ torpedo defence was the attached destroyers, as I understood it...
As part of a coordinated battle group, I think the ship would be adequately protected, particularly if we presume that the aircraft could deploy defenses and counter measures. On her own....no, capital ships would be "sitting ducks" but again, on their own was not really how they were supposed to operate. Thanks for these fascinating looks at the ship, her history, and life on board.
From sitting duck to ruptured duck in three hours or less, see the IJN Yamato during Operation Ten-Go...
they still have the degaussing systems on modern stuff. i imagine the A/C was more for dehumidifying then comfort.
7:27 air conditioning is for equipment, not personnel.
Great video as always! I wonder if sailors ever trolled for some tuna out of that spot 🎣
Now this is freaking cool
I just had a thought: Instead of rock-paper-scissors, did sailors play destroyer-battleship-submarine?
Interesting. I had forgotten about this tech. There is also other tech used for torpedo decoys IE the 5 inch room equipment on a submarine. That could work on a smaller ship. Plus some types of sonobuoy can be set to "echo" mode for active systems IE they can record on a loop about 2 seconds of sound from the ship then repeat it themselves. As for the anti-torpedo, torpedo's these have been worked on in one form or another for 50+ years. I can remember it being proposed that Mk 54 (I think) inch helicopter launched torpedo systems would be ideal. However they would be modified with a blast rod warhead rather than shaped charge. I don't think this ever got further than concept stage.
Ryan,
To answer your question at the end, yes, I do think she was properly equipped with sensors and countermeasures. Both directly her own, and those of embarked helicopters. My reason for saying this, she is still there..... never sunk.
she was reactivated against a nation that at the time didn't have the type of weaponry he was talking about. A battleship like that would not survive a war against a modern power like China or Russia in the configuration she is in. As stated she has next to no submarine defense and while some of her AA is modern its sparse. She would serve as a propaganda tool and that would sadly be about it.
@@thatkancolleguy I guess I should have mentioned that I was replying to the part of the question: "at that time", not against a possible current enemy.
But she never traveled alone.....
Did they install “Prairie Masker” on New Jersey during her last commission?
No.. Dick Cheney cut that out. And was part of the Bush Bot One brigade the started gutting DOD, especially the Navy and AF from his time late in Reagan years, Bush One years, and Bush Two. He is/was horrible strategic player. As bad as McNamara (JFK/LBJ days), and the various DOD chiefs in the Clinton days. That is bad to the point of criminal. :)
I didn't think CH-46's (pictured in this video around 4:28 or so ) had an ASW capability.
I think the SH60s did and I read they considred putting those on the Iowas, but I don't know if they ever did.
BTW I don't think MAD dips ino the sea - it's not a dipping sensor. I thinkl MAD is trailed behind the aircraft on a wire to increase the distance from magnetic fields from the aircraft and it's equipment.
I believe some SH60 variants did carry a dippng sonar though.
BSNJ has an escort group to defend her. If she is decoying torpedos and shooting down missile with her CIWS the situation has already gone to poop.
Also I believe depth charges on aircraft were actually designated as depth bombs
I would assume that New Jersey would still not suffer from being too large or "slow" or easily attacked. Supercarriers have the same issues and like supercarriers, New Jersey would not enter battle solo, but as flagship of a fleet or taskforce. Defending the BB would be the job of other ships, while the BB's job is to use those big big big guns to explodiate the enemy.
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Hey if a person volunteered to paint anything you want you'd let them into plenty of off tour spaces right? Cuz I'm a REALLY good painter
162 days until my visit to the USS New Jersey!
Nice explanation of the nixie system so did they only cary 4 of them ?
Would the South Dakota’s or North Carolina have a better representation of NJ’s WWII era catapult plane setup? Or does it not make a difference?
again, it boils down to "never send a capital ship out on her own". unless you intend to get sunk in a heroic but futile battle.
when USS Iowa visited my home port, very many years ago, she was accompanied by USS Ticonderoga for air defense and some frigate (sorry, can't remember that one) for anti sub warfare. I seem to remember that it was suggested there would be a SSN joining the group to reinforce that anti sub thing if so required. that makes perfect sense, as either you can kill other subs using your own hunter-killer, or you can prosecute underwater contacts using the frigate and the helos.
“Unless you intend to get sunk in a heroic but futile battle” feels very targeted against the Yamato😂
@@calebvaldecanas8867 in fact it wasnt- I was thinking of several incidences in the Atlantic theater of ops, during WW II, not wanting to name specífic ships.
@@wolfhalupka8992 makes sense, although the Yamato is still a prime example of what you were talking about
i had one of those on my ship LPH-7
As far as modern countermeasures, it seems like the US Navy is throwing a lot of money and research into laser technology for anti missile defense since you can't fly a missile faster than light. As a smart man once probably said, "If you can track it... you can kill it."
And this is the first I've heard of the anti torpedo torpedo, but seems like a good idea to me.
Lasers are useless in fog or misty conditions,
Plus they need multiple seconds to damage a target,Good for slow moving drones but useless against high speed threats,
@@wst8340 This is early in the evolution of lasers as real weapons. In the beginning radar didn't work well in the rain. Early laser range finders didn't work well in the rain, but now radar works fine in the rain and even commercially available laser range finders will work in the rain.
Maybe the technology will be a dead end, but not because of rain or fog.
@@Odin029 I think it will be more a power issue, if you brute force enough power into the laser, the attenuation from rain/fog will be overcome, but it would take a ridiculous amount of power to just ignore the fact that its foggy out and hit a missile from any decent range. But who knows, maybe we will find a way. Also, the anti-torpedo, torpedo, has been a research subject for a while now. But I believe are only just becoming practical. They effectively track an incoming torpedo, attempt to get within a close distance / direct contact, and explode to destroy the incoming torpedo. It's a lot easier underwater to destroy as the shockwave will still mess it up if it's close, probably easier than the US-supplied anti-rocket rockets that Israel uses. The Iron Dome Missile Defense System. I would assume the torpedo's work on a similar premise.
That looks like a old Manitowoc VICON boom hoist drum.
Well the battlegroup that was assigned to her would be more than enough i would imagine
At 6:22ish whata we see Pacific Ocean (good optics)
Yea, it doesn’t need much for sub defense, it wins through sheer force of will.
And an entire group of other ships around it but “sheer force of will” sounds cooler.
It’s also super cool that despite resigning they named it after President Nixie. Wait, or was it the grocery store down south, Winn-Nixie. Hmm.
AC to keep the humidity down perhaps?
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We know that anti-torpedo torpedoes had been in development for quite some time, but the US Navy has only recently-ish released any details, and they did so while announcing they were, or already have, ended their highly secretive development programme as a failure while stating such systems are to be, or have, been removed from carriers at this time. They reportedly did achieve some level of progress and success, but not enough fast enough. This very public cancellation of a previously secretive project also implies either that the USN has or is developing some form of replacement technology that is reaching a reasonable level of development, or that the limitations of the technology were so widely known and so extensive that it became moot to keep secret, else it would not make sense to publicly reveal such a failure.
There was a big desire to peruse systems and technologies that could increase a task force's, and particularly a carrier's resistance to torpedo attack by submarine previously, as the vulnerability of carrier groups has been demonstrated repeatedly in exercises in recent years so there was a massive push to try and figure out how to increase their survivability. I would be surprised if this push has been cancelled outright, so if it appears to have ended then in my eyes it either means that satisfactory technologies have been developed and implemented already that we are not aware of that accomplish these objectives, or new additional programs are ongoing to find a solution.
Programme? Imposter!
Sadly with enough decoy drones followed up with a layered barrage of multiple ballistic missile types would be enough for China to near instantaneously sink a carrier or two if things ever went hot around Taiwan 😐 I haven't seen many pictures of carriers smothered in double sized CIWS systems, so I'm not sure what the plan would be... Enough missiles alone could easily be sent to outnumber the short/long range defense missles... And I don't think electronic countermeasures will play much of a part... Scary to think about, that's for sure, because I don't see the US carrying out preemptive strikes on China while "defending" Taiwan. Hopefully a situation we never have to see playout.
I was looking for someone to say this. My understanding is the anti-torpedo system on carriers' sterns was tried and deemed a failure and is or has been removed already.
@@Marin3r101 🤣 excellent observation... Now he must pronounce Aluminum correctly, and *properly* spell the circular rubber objects which go around a car's wheels! 🧐🥸
I bet they'll spend a billion dollars and end up with kevlar or dyneema anti torpedo nets.
On a carrier size vessel you could hang them pretty far out.
These days you could spen a couple more billion dollars and develop automous anti tropedo net tugs that float and move the net and keep it a certakn distance away from the ship.
That would mean the torpedo would probably need to do some kind of pop up manouvure from under the nets to get under the keel and hopefully significantly increase the difficulty of guidance and fusing.
And make some defense contractors very, very happy and there shareholders even richer.
Was Nixie LPO aboard USS Kitty Hawk in 1996 - also wondered about it's need - though the Soviet wake-homing torpedoes MIGHT have been distracted. Nixie was under the ASWModule control. Got to agree with others that a battleship or carrier really only could make use of an ASW system like Nixie - they're too loud for passive sonar, an ASW division takes up more space and berthing... the small boys should be doing the ASW to keep subs clear of the capital / HVT ships. A CARRIER has an ASWModule to analyze the data brought back by the embarked ASW Aircraft - we had no passive sonar... well unless you had crazy AW/ST types who might throw a passive sonobouy over like we did when we had an ROK sub alongside to "cheat" and start the tracking 30 minutes before he exercise
FYI - MAD (Magnetic Anomaly Detector) did NOT "Dip" - on helicopters it "streams" behind the bird on a cable, and on fixed wing birds (Orion & Viking) it was affixed to the rear of the aircraft as a "boom".