Jesse won one of his gold medals because a German competitor gave Mr. Owens pointers on how to avoid fouling on the long jump. Jesse took the German's advice, avoided fouling a third time (and being disqualified), and won the gold in the long jump. Sportsmanship prevailed on the track!
I would have liked to see some exploration of why the "color line" was established in the first place after Moses Walker, especially the sociological environment that led to it. Also around IIRC 1944 Bill Veeck was planning to buy the Phillies and stock it with Negro League players, which would have made that team the first, instead of one of the last, to integrate, but Landis put the kibosh on it. Some exploration of Landis would be interesting too.
Subscriber 436 here. You should make a Ken Burns 5th inning Shadowball length documentary on the negro leagues. Be the channel on youtube that makes it.
I know I’m super late but I love this series man! So shocked to see that it didn’t have more attention, this is very well written and extremely informative while staying entertaining and easy to engage! Overall phenomenal work
This pre-expansion era produced the greatest major league in baseball history. I'm talking about the NL from 1954-61. The NL was far ahead of the AL in terms of intergration during the 1950s and did not have the spector of the Yankees looming overhead. This NL produced 2 all-time great teams in the Dodgers & the Braves. This NL won 5 of the 8 World Series with 4 different teams winning to only the Yankees of the AL. The top 10 players of the NL during these 8 seasons were clearly superior to the AL's 10. NL: Aaron, Mays, Musial, Mathews, F. Robinson, Banks, Ashburn, Spahn, Roberts, Burdette (plus Clemente, Snider, Drysdale, Newcombe). AL: Williams, Berra, Mantle, Jensen, Kaline, Minoso, Fox, Ford, Wynn, Bunning. In 1958 the NL's last place team (Phillies) W-L% was .448 which demonstrates the great balance of the league. The Red Sox were the last team to intergrate in 1959. In addition the Dodgers & Giants were far ahead of the Yankees in terms of integration in New York. These two factors accentuate the difference in the 2 leagues at this time.
Perhaps you can confirm or debunk something I heard about these franchise moves. Did the major leagues establish a policy of just one franchise per city, and that's why the moves were teams that had to share their markets? When did that policy change, if it was the policy? The moves of the Senators to Minnesota, Athletics to Oakland, and Braves to Atlanta don't fit the policy.
Hi Eric. There has never been a rule about one franchise per city. The owners of the Dodgers and Giants would have wanted to keep the Anahiem Angels and Oakland As out of the LA/San Francisco metro regions. Angel Stadium and the Oakland Coliseum are only 30 miles from Dodger Stadium and what used to be Candlestick Park, respectively. There is one rule I am aware of going back to 1876. The organizer of the National League, William Hulbert, excluded cities with fewer than 100,000 residents.
@@thebaseballprofessor Can you make a lecture about how fans reacted after relocations? As a European it always astonished me about American sports culture that teams keep relocating, while that would never ever be considered "morally" acceptable in European countries at all, European sports fans (especially football fans) tend to have a great dislike toward relocated clubs. I really wonder how the fans reacted in each instance of relocation in modern-day baseball since the fifties. Did they protest, did they demonstrate, did they turn against the soon-to-be-relocated team, did they attack the owners, what did they do after the relocation, did they stay fans of the relocated team, did they stop watching MLB or did they become a fan of another team? Especially some relocations seem to be very controversial (the relocating of the NYC teams to California, the relocating of the Expos), and some insight would be very nice to me as an outsider!
@@doppelplusungutmensch1141 Thanks for the suggestion. The history of relocations is an interesting topic and one I'd like to do a video on. There is a rather large literature on the Dodgers move to Los Angeles because it was so exciting for Angelenos and so utterly devastating for Brooklyn. The Dodgers tied together all of the different ethnic communities in Brooklyn --precisely what it would do in Los Angeles-- and many fans couldn't root for another team ever again although many developed an affection for the NY Mets, founded in 1962. Dodgers owner Walter O'Malley would always say he left NY because the powerful city parks commissioner Robert Moses wouldn't authorize his massive domed stadium project. Brooklynites developed intense hatred for O'Malley in the aftermath of the relocation. To give you and idea of what I am talking about, here is a joke people were known to tell in Brooklyn. "You're in a room with Hitler, Stalin, Walter O'Malley, and a pistol that has two bullets left. What do you do? Answer: Shoot Walter O'Malley twice."
@@thebaseballprofessor That joke actually made me laugh out loud, even though I barely heard O'Malley's name before... Incidently, the NY Mets are my favorite baseball team, however coming from Germany as you already know I obviously never saw a Mets game in a ballpark. Well, especially from a "social" historical aspect it definitely would be a nice video to see fan's reactions to such things, how those reactions changed in time, and so on. Maybe you could even consider how current fan scenes like in Oakland and Tampa Bay react regarding their possible relocations. I'm looking forward hearing such a lecture! And while I'm at it, you do a great work with your videos. I stumbled on you yesterday while randomly looking for videos about the dead-ball era (coincidently finding your lecture 4), and now I binge-watched them from number 1 down to lecture 10. That makes me so much wanting to be a sports historian myself. Keep on with that!
This law on Baseball Anti-trust should be more substantial now because the sport has grown since the 1920's when the first case was introduced, the MLB is bigger now in 1950's with teams in better standing then in early 1920's when a few teams folded like the Toledo Blue Stockings.
An interesting fact for this video is that with westward expansion of the major leagues… The 1941 St. Louis Browns were set to move to Los Angeles, but it was stopped because of the start of World War II. So imagine the St. Louis Browns being the West Coast team and not the Dodgers and Giants.
Jesse owens said that Hitler never personally snubbed him, on the first day of the Olympics he only stood for the medal ceremonies when German athletes won but that was offending people so his propaganda ministers told him to just not stand at all. Jesse owens does say he was snubbed by president franklin Delano Roosevelt who invited him to the White House along with all the other medal winners but forced him to ride in the freight elevator. In fact the tree Hitler gave to Jesse Owens is still alive at a school he founded. Also Hitler was a terrible person much much worse and more racist than fdr I just think that a lot is made out of the enlightened American Jesse owens showing the racist nazis who was boss but America had plenty problems of its own and the conventional narrative of this story obscures problems of race in America and also is just factually inaccurate and goes against what Jesse owens himself said
Jesse won one of his gold medals because a German competitor gave Mr. Owens pointers on how to avoid fouling on the long jump. Jesse took the German's advice, avoided fouling a third time (and being disqualified), and won the gold in the long jump. Sportsmanship prevailed on the track!
Baseball on the radio is the best!
❤️ radio local sports talks & games : reading the local sports pages
Between 1947 and 1966, every World Series had either a NYC team, or a NYC transplant.
Man this is an incredible series, it's a shame it doesnt have more attention
I would have liked to see some exploration of why the "color line" was established in the first place after Moses Walker, especially the sociological environment that led to it.
Also around IIRC 1944 Bill Veeck was planning to buy the Phillies and stock it with Negro League players, which would have made that team the first, instead of one of the last, to integrate, but Landis put the kibosh on it. Some exploration of Landis would be interesting too.
I’ve watched all your videos over 2 days. Great stuff.
Thanks for the comment. It's been a fun hobby making these videos. I wish I had more time for my baseball channel.
Subscriber 436 here. You should make a Ken Burns 5th inning Shadowball length documentary on the negro leagues.
Be the channel on youtube that makes it.
I know I’m super late but I love this series man! So shocked to see that it didn’t have more attention, this is very well written and extremely informative while staying entertaining and easy to engage! Overall phenomenal work
Thanks for the comment!
Agree strongly!
We’re from the Bsy Area. My grandfather was a Giants fan when they were in NY. Them moving to SF was huge news.
This pre-expansion era produced the greatest major league in baseball history. I'm talking about the NL from 1954-61. The NL was far ahead of the AL in terms of intergration during the 1950s and did not have the spector of the Yankees looming overhead. This NL produced 2 all-time great teams in the Dodgers & the Braves. This NL won 5 of the 8 World Series with 4 different teams winning to only the Yankees of the AL. The top 10 players of the NL during these 8 seasons were clearly superior to the AL's 10. NL: Aaron, Mays, Musial, Mathews, F. Robinson, Banks, Ashburn, Spahn, Roberts, Burdette (plus Clemente, Snider, Drysdale, Newcombe). AL: Williams, Berra, Mantle, Jensen, Kaline, Minoso, Fox, Ford, Wynn, Bunning. In 1958 the NL's last place team (Phillies) W-L% was .448 which demonstrates the great balance of the league. The Red Sox were the last team to intergrate in 1959. In addition the Dodgers & Giants were far ahead of the Yankees in terms of integration in New York. These two factors accentuate the difference in the 2 leagues at this time.
Perhaps you can confirm or debunk something I heard about these franchise moves. Did the major leagues establish a policy of just one franchise per city, and that's why the moves were teams that had to share their markets? When did that policy change, if it was the policy? The moves of the Senators to Minnesota, Athletics to Oakland, and Braves to Atlanta don't fit the policy.
Hi Eric. There has never been a rule about one franchise per city. The owners of the Dodgers and Giants would have wanted to keep the Anahiem Angels and Oakland As out of the LA/San Francisco metro regions. Angel Stadium and the Oakland Coliseum are only 30 miles from Dodger Stadium and what used to be Candlestick Park, respectively. There is one rule I am aware of going back to 1876. The organizer of the National League, William Hulbert, excluded cities with fewer than 100,000 residents.
@@thebaseballprofessor Can you make a lecture about how fans reacted after relocations? As a European it always astonished me about American sports culture that teams keep relocating, while that would never ever be considered "morally" acceptable in European countries at all, European sports fans (especially football fans) tend to have a great dislike toward relocated clubs.
I really wonder how the fans reacted in each instance of relocation in modern-day baseball since the fifties. Did they protest, did they demonstrate, did they turn against the soon-to-be-relocated team, did they attack the owners, what did they do after the relocation, did they stay fans of the relocated team, did they stop watching MLB or did they become a fan of another team? Especially some relocations seem to be very controversial (the relocating of the NYC teams to California, the relocating of the Expos), and some insight would be very nice to me as an outsider!
@@doppelplusungutmensch1141 Thanks for the suggestion. The history of relocations is an interesting topic and one I'd like to do a video on. There is a rather large literature on the Dodgers move to Los Angeles because it was so exciting for Angelenos and so utterly devastating for Brooklyn. The Dodgers tied together all of the different ethnic communities in Brooklyn --precisely what it would do in Los Angeles-- and many fans couldn't root for another team ever again although many developed an affection for the NY Mets, founded in 1962. Dodgers owner Walter O'Malley would always say he left NY because the powerful city parks commissioner Robert Moses wouldn't authorize his massive domed stadium project. Brooklynites developed intense hatred for O'Malley in the aftermath of the relocation. To give you and idea of what I am talking about, here is a joke people were known to tell in Brooklyn. "You're in a room with Hitler, Stalin, Walter O'Malley, and a pistol that has two bullets left. What do you do? Answer: Shoot Walter O'Malley twice."
@@thebaseballprofessor That joke actually made me laugh out loud, even though I barely heard O'Malley's name before...
Incidently, the NY Mets are my favorite baseball team, however coming from Germany as you already know I obviously never saw a Mets game in a ballpark.
Well, especially from a "social" historical aspect it definitely would be a nice video to see fan's reactions to such things, how those reactions changed in time, and so on. Maybe you could even consider how current fan scenes like in Oakland and Tampa Bay react regarding their possible relocations. I'm looking forward hearing such a lecture!
And while I'm at it, you do a great work with your videos. I stumbled on you yesterday while randomly looking for videos about the dead-ball era (coincidently finding your lecture 4), and now I binge-watched them from number 1 down to lecture 10.
That makes me so much wanting to be a sports historian myself. Keep on with that!
Shout out Bud Fowler and all the pros who played preintegration but not NL or AL
This law on Baseball Anti-trust should be more substantial now because the sport has grown since the 1920's when the first case was introduced, the MLB is bigger now in 1950's with teams in better standing then in early 1920's when a few teams folded like the Toledo Blue Stockings.
Oddly, it was not mentioned in this video. Osvaldo Virgil was the first Dominican to play in Major League.
Thanks for the comment about Osvaldo Virgil. Will make note of the first Dominican in MLB when I reissue the lectures.
@@thebaseballprofessor Thank you, Greetings from the Dominican Republic, I love your work. keep it up!
An interesting fact for this video is that with westward expansion of the major leagues… The 1941 St. Louis Browns were set to move to Los Angeles, but it was stopped because of the start of World War II. So imagine the St. Louis Browns being the West Coast team and not the Dodgers and Giants.
I need to do a video about the Browns expected move to LA.
@@thebaseballprofessorI would luv to see that… ever read Bill meads book “Even the Browns “
1954 Indians won 111 games......very good series
Jesse owens said that Hitler never personally snubbed him, on the first day of the Olympics he only stood for the medal ceremonies when German athletes won but that was offending people so his propaganda ministers told him to just not stand at all. Jesse owens does say he was snubbed by president franklin Delano Roosevelt who invited him to the White House along with all the other medal winners but forced him to ride in the freight elevator. In fact the tree Hitler gave to Jesse Owens is still alive at a school he founded. Also Hitler was a terrible person much much worse and more racist than fdr I just think that a lot is made out of the enlightened American Jesse owens showing the racist nazis who was boss but America had plenty problems of its own and the conventional narrative of this story obscures problems of race in America and also is just factually inaccurate and goes against what Jesse owens himself said