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Yes, as a rare stealth mega-enjoyer even I think that loud gameplay is just designed better and there's much more to learn. Just my opinion of course. Stealth is just mind-numbing and repetitive after a while, which is one of the reason I enjoy it. There are like only 3 builds you can go for stealth, there are some very advanced tech you can learn for stealth but it doesn't feel that fun or anything. Loud is more mechanically challenging (and fun I guess) and there are hundreds of builds you can do with deep learning curves, with aspects of synergy and teamwork built into the characters themselves as opposed to stealth where teamwork is usually from the map design. The maps (more loud maps in the first place) feel more varied with how you would play it compared to spamming stealth. The downside is that you have to play more to get used to all the unexplained mechanics, which are lowkey necessary to survive in higher difficulty compared to stealth where all difficulties are basically played the same way, and also to be able to make a good build for DW+. Idk how to explain it, but as someone who's played both modes a lot, it feels like stealth is a small side dish to the big entree that is loud PD2, different story in PD3 tho.
I genuinely fucking laugh out loud cackled at "I don't understand how these higher difficulty loud missions are even possible - so on day six we decided to invest some skill points" great video brother
@@ectotrix7399 Oh yeah. When i started in 2013 i didnt enjoy loud at all. Then i spent 250 hours stealthing everything i could. I havent touched stealth for the last 1k hours since then, not unless i absolutely had to. Learning how to stealth is really rewarding, but once you do it becomes seriously boring and time consuming, meanwhile loud is like heroin injected into my spine, *BRING IT!*
The reason why you didn't enjoy PD2 loud is because you weren't equipped with a decent build. Loud is fun, just not when you are level 10. You guys spent an hour stealthing jewelry store on a low difficulty, if you had done it on max difficulty you would have gotten an instant level 40 rather than having to do several heists to get to level 22. The point is that you have low health and low damage because you didn't bring survival or damage skills. If I joined your game, stealthed 2-3 heists with you and gave you a good loud build, you could immediately play the second highest loud difficulty with ease. Don't get me wrong, it's shit design on PD2's part, but that's just how it goes, the problems you had with it are all solveable within the skilltree and perk deck menus.
Its just an old progression style that doesnt appeal to everyone right away if u have had enough experience with the play style or engine you will learn faster than others, once you learn about 25% of the game and somewhat understanding of skills and perk decks it becomes really fun and a daily game for me, basically killing floor 2 but robbery and hitting licks and can switch up to stealth or other builds insane replayability for a “older” game been playing more now since payday 3 because 3 doesnt have much content right now,
@@mrkillme1485the reason you can’t get the final skill is bc you need to get your infamy level up which is basically paydays version of prestige from cod if you read the reward descriptions in the infamy part it will say something about skills in there if you get all of the ones that have that skill reward(there are 5 of them) then that will decrease the amount of skill points needed to get certain skills but until you get those infamy rewards you will just have to figure out what skills are more important and swap them around or just run a stoic build and never die
Loud missions tend to be tricky until you are kitted out but I actually find them quite fun. When you get the hang of headshots even Dozers aren't an issue. Also, I think the main issue was simply you not being a high enough level. Loyd scales far harder difficulty-wise than stealth. EDIT: You are not alone un hating the Breakin' Feds heist. It's maybe one of the most unpopular stealth heists in the game.
Headshots soon turn into Normal shots and going from a higher diff like overkill and above don't remember what they are call it makes lower diff so satisfying as you shred thru enimes since you basically headshot all of them
saying that pd2 stealth is more fun is the weirdest thing I've heard all year and I'm not a loud only person I achievement hunted with someone for about 60% of the games achievements some months ago
@@robokast yes most of the community is loud players to my understanding. I play both but mainly loud and public lobbies are mainly loud even in stealth possible missions. Your opinion could just be because of not having good weapons perks and skills or loud could just not be for you. It was just weird hearing. Play how you want though.
@@liljizzy yeah but the AAA games somehow doesnt scratch the fun from all the different builds you can use to kill hordes of enemies in payday 2 And i think most people tend to avoid stealth especially in public lobbies since most of the time you need to restart 5-6 times due to people accidentally alerting the cops
As someone who spent 5 hours doing the breaking feds mission before actually completing it with a friend when we were both extremely new to the game, I can confirm it's a mind-numbingly difficulty was extremely frustrating, especially when the cops in the starting area were randomly bugged and alerted multiple times while we were in garett's office, screwing the whole mission over.
"What developer in their right mind thinks that sending six-thousand bulletsponge enemies after you is a definition of a good time?" Jules, Jules does. I will never forgive him for removing Hostage Rescue Teams from assaults "I actually don't understand how these high-difficulty loud missions are even possible." Wait till you try Goat Sim or Bomb: Forest on Death Sentence.
It's quite sad since the enemies really aren't bullet spongey. If it feels like a peashooter, you have the power to not make it so. Like adding crits or other weapon skills. Even Robo themselves disproved their claim by using an lmg later in the video x.x Goat sim dsod isn't really that bad. If you know the strategy and that the sides of the city offer really good cover, it isn't that bad and can be fun.
I think payday 2 loud shines when you get to higher levels since you can try weird builds like double snipers or even trying to run a melee build since now you pretty much need to rethink how you approach the hordes of cops So yeah higher level = more experimentation = more fun
I'd say there's a few reason why you didn't really enjoy loud gameplay, especially at the start: 1. You're playing on Very Hard, while being a completely new player. You should really play on Normal and Hard until you feel comfortable with them, then raise difficulty. 2. Headshots are very important in this game. Bulldozers are super tanky, unless you shoot them in the face, and heavy swat units can't be damaged to the body with regular weapons and no skills. 3. You were using quite literally some of the worst weapons in the entire game. Almost anything else would've been more useful. And as for how the higher difficulties are even doable on loud, it's due to skills and perk decks. They give you such a huge boost, that even as an average player, you could probably take on Mayhem difficulty with them. Considering you had very few skill points at the beginning, no wonder you had trouble with Very Hard. One last edit: I really hope you're calling yourself a pro unironically.
I've got over 200 hours in payday 2 and I still am more a fan of stealth missions even though i know good builds for loud. I don't dislike load missions as much as you though as I like a loud mission now and again but yeah, loud is only enjoyable if you have the build for it which you can't have at low level. It's crazy to me that I'm in the minority with prefering stealth missions, but the amount of stealth heists vs loud heists tells you what the majority of the player base enjoys. EDIT: Best things about loud missions is the soundtrack!
Payday 2 loud has one of the most indepth systems to play a shooter of any game out there. Now, we don't blame you for not knowing this, just that this video doesn't do a service for why Payday 2 has survived for so long. There are so many ways to play loud incredibly well, like any weapon, perk, etc can be used super well and have a niche even on the hardest difficulty and the system when learnt can basically be played however the way you want. Just for reference, even on the hardest difficulty of Death Sentence One Down, you can use the worst perks/weapons, melee/saws only, etc. And even with mods that make the ai a lot more aggressive/faster than before. It has been proven time and time again that it is possible if you know how to play. It just goes to show how much the community loves and invested their time into loud that all of this is possible. Now, we actually have a lot to say about the video/gameplay, so we're splitting up the comments into multiple. This comment is going to be about what to do. Very in depth fundamentals on how to make loud fun/at least a lot more playable. We'll put in a tl;dr in a later comment, but if you have the time can be good to know a lot about what to do. Also, this mainly centres around dsod, which is the hardest difficulty, but even this guide should help at the very least minimise you going down. For one, this game is a cover based shooter. Cover is the number one important thing to use. You manually go behind it. Bringing this up as you did use cover quite a bit, there were issues of you basically babysitting an area and not putting pressure against the swats which can lead to issues of being overwhelemed or running out into the open and getting killed. It's an understandable strategy, but something to note is that you have a lot more cover than you think and giving yourself more opportunities to attack the swats. Take 4:40 where the escalator can be used instead. At least you have more space to work with or during prison nightmare, you also had the walls of the chokepoint to also work with and take cover behind after taking too much damage. It isn't obvious and comes with practice, but this is THE thing to note about surviving other than killing. The other thing to note is killing a lot. Now, what's funny is your complaint about enemies being too bullet spongey. You straight up disproved that claim by using an lmg and killing swats/bulldozers quick. We get what you mean, the starting assault rifle of the amcar is literally the worst assault rifle in the game. Just funny that you used the poster child of a weapon not needing a damage up even on dsod and using it to do quite well. Killing a lot is important as you can just prevent swats from killing you and allowing you to have space. This is important as you can do objectives safely if you clear the area of swats. So killing is that opportunity. Lmgs are the easiest as they don't need a damage up, although every other weapon can basically do better if you have the right skills. It's also good to know as it also counters snipers and tasers. They punish rushers so as long as you peek out and kill, they shouldn't be too bad. When peeking, something you should also get is Basic Bullseye and it is the single best skill in the game. Now this is mainly meant for higher difficulties, but it also helps lower difficulties and builds anyway and is a must take. It is useful in any build besides Stoic. Even Anarchist and Stoic which are 2 decks that have armour regen through doing damage, both can still benefit from bullsye by having it aced so you can tank more. Also, in terms of issues of shields/captain winters. You know those grenades you had earlier that you accidentally wasted? There's your counter to captain winters. However its good to note that there are multiple ways to kill not only Winters, but also shields in geenral. The grenades are the obvious pick, although something to note is often people have Perk deck throwables or Flashbangs so they arent that commonly used. People often have things like a shield killer secondary such as the 5/7 pistol that pierces shields or a Compact 40mm grenade launcher that... kills shields. This is also good to kill shields and winters at anytime as opposed to the grenades that have a finite amount. There's also primary weapons that have natural shield pierce like thr Sniper rifles, which or op, shotguns bothin the primary and secondary that can be equipped with the Dragons breathe or AP slugs to penetrate shields or even bringing another grenade launcher for the lolz. And that's not all. Even at worst where you don't have a shield killer weapon, you can still use Aced Shock n awe to counter shields better, although not winters, and it is nice. But even killing winters can be done through coordination. Everyone kills around winters and a person goes behind and shoots winters in the back. Problem solved. You really should play with perks more. They basically make your build and can dictate how you play. For example, be very tanky and supportive with Muscle with your large health, stun swats with an unsilenced weapon and even take attention away from the swats shooting your friend. Sicario can use a smoke grenade to make an on demand cover and use it to force objectives, help teammates, etc and even survive off timing your own dodge and a lot more that do various things. Level up the perks and they make life so much easier. Below will be a rough guide on how to use Sicario, which has a lot of ways to play. So this is a rough guide on how Sicario is played. There's actually more than these few ways, just that these are just the most practical and should give an example on how other health/dodge decks are played. Some are better than others, Like it can benefit from ICTV a lot more than Dodge decks, or that Aced Hostage Taker isn't always taken for various reasons, etc. . Also, just shows how 1 deck is played. There are so many others like this and doesn't even go into things like HBV or weird perks like Leech, Stoic, Grinder, etc Sicario is around a top 10 deck in the game for dsod. It is very good, although just not as broken as some of the other decks. It is a dodge deck that you have to manually time when the dodge happens. Basically you can rough choose when to avoid getting shot. You start off with a bit of dodge and each shot you don't dodge, so if the shot connects, you'll gain 20% extra dodge to increase your chances of dodging and this goes on a short cooldown. This goes on until you dodge your next shot and it negates the damage that you would have absorbed, restores your armour to survive an additional shot and resets your dodge back to what you originally had. It is kinda confusing, but you essentially just pay attention to if you take damage and get to decide when to make pushes, which is pretty strong. When it breaks and you don't dodge, you can either get a headshot for basic bullseye or wait in cover. You also have access to the smoke grenade which is very strong as you can use it as an on demand cover to do practically anything. Such as clearing the room, doing an objective like fixing the drill, reviving teammaes, etc. And while it has a 1 minute cooldown, it can be reduced by killing which is something you should be doing. When played right you can essentially survive any combat encounter provided you actually hit heads and have the kills. Basically goes for every deck, although Sicario emphasises that point where you get to use the smoke more and rewards you paying attention. To use Sicario, you mainly use the Suit as you get the most amount of dodge from the deck and the dodge comes in handy even without Sneaky Bastard (Which is a skill commonly taken on dodge decks) as Sicario gives you +15% dodge, with suit gives +5% dodge and Aced Duck n cover which gives an additional 10% whilst running. You now are very likeky to dodge the next shot. Though despite this, you could opt for other armours as they may cater to you more eg while I don't think light shots are great to build for, you could still keep it so lights and other units won't trigger the healing and on lower difficulties, it is nice if you prefer the tanking even if you lose a small bit of dodge/ concealment or the ICTV, while expensive and you won't have as much healing, it can provide you more consistent heavy tanking which is incredibly valuable. Also with the ICTV, there are 2 ways to make it work on Sicario, Aced Hostage Taker + Aced Quickfix/Underdog or Basic Frenzy. Both are good options as the Aced Hostage Taker path gives you so much tanking to worth with and with the smoke grenade, youll practically never die and Frenzy is also a good option as it makes the ICTV more tanky and you have a damage boost. For skills, it is a pretty standard deck as you would want Jokers for distraction/health and Aced Duck and Cover for the extra dodge. Aced Hostage Taker is also very good to take with Sicario outside of the Frenzy set up as you can tank more damage and use your health as a safety net if you want to maximise your survival/take mistakes. It's also recommended to take First aid Kits to further increase your survival as you can put it down and use them as trip mines to again force objectives or as extra health. It's also possible to use First Aid Kits only instead of Aced Hostage Taker. Its more difficult to use and less consistent, but it is possible. Any weapon works with Sicario. Just have to kill a lot is all.
"Heists were you move around were not the vibe, but defence based heists are" You are going to have to be more specific since they are all one in the same. In fact, the heists that force you to do objectives are considered more fun since ir is something different. They encourage and challenge you to work you ass off and do something different. That and even some of the more infamous heists that require you to go out, you still play very defensively. Like take Goat Simulator, a very infamous heist where the best thing to do is to go out and haul all the goats into the burning building. You then defend yhw goats and survive until the truck arrives. There is also plenty of cover aroynd the city such as the flowerbeds, roadblocks, etc to cover you while going out during and assault. Takes practice, but far from impossible. Better to safe those continental coins. They are much more valuable for Gun mods like getting the Bigger the better surpressor to benefit of aced Professional than a feature in a safehouse youll never really need outside of achievements/easter egg. Btw, if you know a heist has safety deposit boxes even in loud. You can take the skill portable saw to fit a saw in your secondary. That way you have a primary and can quickly open all the deposit boxes without wasting too much time.
loud guide for skills 1. there are more than 1 profiles and more than 1 skill set when you go in skills press g you should have a free skill set to equipped to your 2nd profile 2. i would recommend muscle for loud to start it give your health back every 5 secs its 3 % which is not a lot but i got you invest perk points into controller tree the goal is to get converts and hostage taker when you convert a cop with hostage taker it will give you an increase to your healing 3. armor- go to the tank tree and i like to get to ironman basic but if you want the heaviest armor go for it this will make you move slower so i suggest duck and cover and parkour in the artful dodger skill tree and git second wind in silent killer 4- equipment use what you want just git the skills that would make it more helpful 5- weapons get the skills that benefit the weapons you're using for instance rpk the oppressor perk tree helps with getting through armor
playing anything higher than overkill difficulty is just pure challenge. but if you're playing stealth choose the death sentence difficulty(unlocks at lvl80)/mayhem you should get a shotgun as a secondary for stealth, because it can launch bodies so you wont have to spare a body bag
Loud mall with u having to save santa and steal the tree was the most unorthodox, chaotic thing I’ve ever done since i got back in this game. 10/10 would do it again
Have your build focused one one thing. For example, tank builds have a ton of armor, health, and provide support for your teammates. Medic Bags restores the amount of times you can go down before you end up in custody. Don’t use them all the time. Perk Decks are also extremely useful. Stoic for example lets you tanks a lot of damage for about 12 seconds and if you use the hip flask, all that impending damage goes away. The more you play, you’ll learn how the game works
One thing I would recommend is starting on a lower difficulty at the beginning (like normal or hard). They're basically tutorial difficulties to teach you how both the map itself and game are played. I can't blame you for thinking that Payday 2 has a normal difficulty curve though, its so out of wack the finale difficulty is like 2-3x harder then previous one.
A bit of a tip for all heisters is that in stealth detection is from the head so as long as you hide the head of yourself and your hostages people can't detect them to do this you can make the hostages follow you to a wall and sit them down in such a way where their head clips through the wall thus not being able to be seen.
Great video , It's always fun to see a new players jump into the game. But it's not "revisiting" a game if you've never played said game. And you obviously never played Payday2 before, otherwise you would know everything that you didn't know. The game is all about your loadout and skills. Go Bank is one of the first map that came out. Everyone knows that you bring a saw to bank jobs for the deposit safes. Loud missions are easy up to Mayhem and even Death Wish with a fair build. Slaughterhouse is a missions that everyone played a thousand times for the high pay. There's no helicopter lifting the gold up, you put it in a container and a crane lifts it up. Stuff like that. I'm impressed about your runs in Shadow Raid and Election Day for sure, even if it was on normal difficulty. Saying that stealth is better than loud is indeed a hot take because Stealth is, in overall, way harder and much more of a hassle than running and gunning depending on the map. Diamond Store is an easy one but if you go for The White House, The Diamond, Diamond Heist, The Big Bank, Golden Grin Casino, it's something else. If you go loud with a two piece suit without a dodge build and with a silenced Deagle, you sure won't have a good time in loud.
It's funny about that last point. Payday 2 is so expansive, there are multiple ways to use non dodge suit deagle builds work. Anarchist exists and should only be used with the suit since it offers the best armour gating. Even then, perks like Grinder, Sociopath, Ex-President, etc exists and use the suit well. The Deagle does a lot of damage so amazing against bulldozers once you invest into them, just need a crowd control weapon so you could pick up things like an lmg, a primary grenade launcher or even another deagle to have a build that destroys everything, but you have to track when to use your akimbo or single deagles. And there's more, but the reply is long enough lmao
Tl;dr Learn to use and find cover around the maps. Peek out and kill a lot to not get overwhelmed/do objectives. Level up and make a build with your perk + weapons. Get Survival and weapon/damage skills. Learn the other mechanics like how to counter shields. Loud is so expansive, we haven't even fit everything, like other weapons, metas, how drama works, etc
I’m not gonna lie, This is probably an unpopular opinion but to me stealth is just so tedious, I want to be in the middle of an intense fire fight, while I’m holding hostages and drilling into a vault while my team holds me down, classic Heat like gameplay💯 just something about that adrenaline rush
The key to fun loud is the stupid fun builds. You xan make a sniper that does head shot damage when you hit people in the body, it also kills anyone like 5 meters around the bullet path.
In terms of skills, the most important thing to know is you need survival and gun skills. Now in terms of survival, this is usually a case by case basis such as a health tank perk like Stoic would always want Aced Hostage Taker and Jokers to regen health, but you can also not take it for certain builds. Such as perks like Grinder, Hacker, etc being able to heal quite fast independantly, but that's up to you. Or perks like Armourer where it always needs the ICTV, but could be used with either Aced Hostage Taker or instead get a damage up with Aced Berserker and lowering your health, which is not a bad strategy at all since you can rely on your armour really well. There is a lot to talk about and if you want to read more, there'll be a comment about a few ways to play 1 perk. Weapon skills are pretty important. Like, if the weapon feels like a peashooter, you have the power to make it either overpowered or at least usuable. The most common way to do so is to look at your detection risk and make sure you have a good concealment on your guns, armour and melee so you have 23/26 detection risk. You can use the skill Low blow and ace it so you do triple damage. That's all you need to know. Assault rifles are really good as often they can be concealed and have a faster time to kill than Lmgs, that and crits work best with automatic weapons as crits have a chance to proc. Sniper rifles are op as when you get Aced Graze, they become headshot based Rocket Launchers. They kill rooms very fast and especially with low damage snipers with crits/Aced Berserker, they are agurably one of the best weapons to use. Weakness is it can't kill bulldozers as fast and you need to aim, although you can always take a crit smg as your secondary. Shotguns are agurably the weakest weapons to use. But are still useful. If you equip the Dragons Breathe or Tombstone rounds, they become very easy guns for crowd control. Especially with crits, they kill and stun so much and it makes heists very easy. Only issues are bulldozers, but you can always take an smg or akimbo smgs, which kill even faster than assault rifles to counter the dozers. You can also use the Akimbo shotguns, where if you get Basic Overkill and crits, you basically have no weakness when you have the 000 Buckshots. Judt requires a lot of skill points. And we could go on and on but this comment is already long enough. Just know EVERYTHING has a niche use/at least a sidegrade use. Earlier there was also Aced Berserker. This is also really good as if you have an armour build such as Armourer or Suit Anarchist, which commonly have Aced Berserker though a lot more perks used Berserker, you would want to lower your health to do more damage and it is consistent so better for weapons like DMRs (High damage assautl rifles that have low ammo pick up, also op with this skill). With Armourer it is a bit more riskier, but you have more damage so it kind of doesn't matter. Tanking is super good and there are ways to have both extra health + More damage with Aced Unseen strike, but it is a good sacrifice if you can kill them quicker. Just up to preference.
Mallcrasher is a good mission, I wish they had more missions where you just break stuff to intimidate gangs and the police. The only problem I have with mallcrasher is that it doesn’t pay very well.
30 days of PD2 and you never didn't the meth mission thats literally an infinite money glitch even on easy...but me personally I loved being loud coz it just ment I could just kill and kill groups of enemies, and I found my self more angry at stealth missions...BUUUT I also played hundreds of hours in this game and just got the best gear I could just so I could kill tons more enemies
CS... GO Bank.... The biggest issue was the spawns that were out of bounds. Throw a grenade if you had a crappy team mate like me when I first played it and didn't completely go loud.
The one thing I hated with old payday was it took forever to unlock the saw and the shaped charges. I still don't like how u have to obtain yhe attachments but I'll take what I can get lol
( VERY IMPORRANT NOTE: Story mode / Career mode, should have been done as it’s a tutorial and sets you up with enough get go to get going in a proper story formate and heists laid out with proper difficulty for you to get into payday2 ) I love the fact that so much is just wrong, but it’s wrong from player experience rather than Gameplay knowledge….. I love watching noobs learn. Payday2 has one of the best 0 to CrimeLord experiences. Huge props on being new and doing car shop! Hearing him say loud sucked makes me wanna Sherpa and teach some. 😢 For loud is a cover based game ( even though people don’t wanna believe it, payday2 is a cover based shooter that is fast paced ) cover cover cover move cover move cover….. stay crouched it helps…. Aim for heads or aim for the gaps in the armor but mostly headshots….. if captain spawns you can see in the top right of the screen ( I use moltovs throw one wait throw another wait 2-3 moltovs should be able to wipe captain ) as far as struggling goes make sure to equip a deployable doctor bag, this will reset your downs when used as well as heal you to full, go down 2-3 times then use your doctor bag now you can go down 2-3 times more….. weapons bring what you want and for skills read through things and apply what weapons and deployable you bring into your skills. Pc alone ( 2,800+ hours, infamy 104+ ) Side note: Black screen on loading in is a desync issue the player just has to rejoin the host to fix….. there are a few desync issues that can happen when joining the game or loading a lobby, most are fixable by just waiting or reconnecting. Gameplay stuff: Safe house raid is a daily event that happens it will every once everyday, and is super easy to farm out by finding others who are running it. …. Also you turned off AI which is preference, but the ai can run Skills in the crew ai Loadout screen, The ai on the left will be the last one replaced by a player…. (Slot machines don’t earn you enough cash to be worth anything at all) but I believe if you put enough time you can do anything! :)
"i dont know about you or if im doing something wrong" - a man doing many things wrong. "i dont understand how these high difficulty loud missions are even possible" - plays on a very low difficulty
"Nobody likes h3 anymore" the only reason I'm playing this game and watching this video is because of h3. Thx for putting them in the video. I've been playing as ethan so I've only seen hila in the warehouse not ethan. Cool seeing them side by side.
Hi. payday 2 player with 700+ hours here. I see that you're having a lot of trouble with loud gameplay, and that sucks. Loud is just as fun, but you need to build for it. Payday 2 is a very strict game with how stealth and loud differ (this has changed in pd3) so you need the build for it. I would strongly suggest that you read the skills you pick and what they do so that you have a build that will work for what you need. If you want a certain type boost, it probably is there, but you just have not found it yet. Perk decks also play an extra part in this, and further define your role, but there are also some clear metas once you start to unlock all the decks. Im not here to explain everything for you, beceause that's just not fun, and i want you to play the game and learn more about. Happy heisting!
The day Notoriety got banned on Roblox (I knew about Payday 2 before), I instantly went on Epic Games, and saw PD2 being free. I have some skill, yeah, but I missed that feeling of playing Notoriety once again, so after some time already, I am finally installing PD2, and playing for my first time. Hopefully it runs on my crappy old laptop LMAO
It's a great game alright. But I recommend not going down the DS rabbit hole early. Because once you start you can never go back and you will know the suffering DS players had to go through post DRM updates.
In the good words of the Russian badger imagine choosing stealth over sabtog I'll go in there with a f******minigun bullets firing with raising mind equipped
You shouldn't start at a higher difficulty as a low level especially in loud also loud is much easier for more inexperienced players and you stuck to the worst weapons in the game aka the starting weapons wich became a problem when you were doing loud on very hard to overkill wich are normaly easy difficultys after only level 50
I can never play payday 2 online with people because it's always an instant kick for bullshit reasons Not at max infamy Running dodge instead of armor Getting downed once Getting blamed for an ai that clipped through a wall I'm sorry but I've about had enough of that bullshit which is why I always host or better yet never host a online session because I'm tired of having to kick dirt bags complaining about someone messing up I don't care if you only contribute to securing loot that's fine if u get downed or mess up a lot I don't care but if u tell me to kick or ban someone because they messed up oh then u are gonna leave because I've about had enough of the toxic bullshit because how are is someone gonna get better if they aren't given a chance ?
Yeah I’ll just be a little honest, it’s not your fault you didn’t enjoy loud, it’s not taught very well but it’s great if you’re leveled and familiar with loud gameplay
this game is pretty unbalanced, either you're fucked, or you are a literal god. that's why i prefer stealth, it is fun to make an over-powered build though
haha yes you are a rookie, pd2 has a learning curve like league of legends, if you don't know the meta you're gonna have a bad time, there is no good way to figure it out on your own starting out. i really hope payday 3 moves away from this and makes it less about what build to take
Lmao, don't even need to know the meta. Like, people have completed this game with no skills or perks before and it isn't that bad if you know how to use cover and kill.
Your ignorance of loud isn't your fault, the game does a poor job of explaining certain mechanics to players. Experienced players forget that loud isn't fun with the basic guns and no knowledge of skills/decks that help you survive. Also, map knowledge is another hidden skill. For instance, you didn't use the conveyer belt in Slaughterhouse which would carry the bags for you.
Loud is fun, you just chose the absolute worst time in your skill development to try them. The game as a whole is catering to pretty much everything in a heister's paradise. And it's hilariously stupid. I'm disappointed in you.
This vid just screeeeeams skill issue (both metaphorically and literally as you didn't even use skill points yet blame the game). The best games out there need more than 2 minutes to fully understand -.-...
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is saying that PD2 stealth is better than PD2 loud really a hot take?
Only from redditors who care how others play
Your video boils down to I dont know what to do to win so loud=bad. Maybe learn to play the game first.
But what about the banger soundtrack??
Yes, as a rare stealth mega-enjoyer even I think that loud gameplay is just designed better and there's much more to learn. Just my opinion of course.
Stealth is just mind-numbing and repetitive after a while, which is one of the reason I enjoy it. There are like only 3 builds you can go for stealth, there are some very advanced tech you can learn for stealth but it doesn't feel that fun or anything.
Loud is more mechanically challenging (and fun I guess) and there are hundreds of builds you can do with deep learning curves, with aspects of synergy and teamwork built into the characters themselves as opposed to stealth where teamwork is usually from the map design. The maps (more loud maps in the first place) feel more varied with how you would play it compared to spamming stealth. The downside is that you have to play more to get used to all the unexplained mechanics, which are lowkey necessary to survive in higher difficulty compared to stealth where all difficulties are basically played the same way, and also to be able to make a good build for DW+.
Idk how to explain it, but as someone who's played both modes a lot, it feels like stealth is a small side dish to the big entree that is loud PD2, different story in PD3 tho.
Yes, the majority of pd2 players prefer loud to stealth
I genuinely fucking laugh out loud cackled at "I don't understand how these higher difficulty loud missions are even possible - so on day six we decided to invest some skill points" great video brother
glad you liked it!
@@robokast could you make a pizza with tiny pizzas
Payday is such a great game. Once you learn the mechanics, its so much fun to plan out the heists.
Talk about hitting licks 😂
I played payday for so long that I actually planned to rob the supermarket near my house at midnight
@@Reelshi.4u💀💀💀
It’s true.
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Not liking loud and preferring stealth, then reversing this around later as you get better in the game, is just how this game works.
So true
@@ectotrix7399 Oh yeah. When i started in 2013 i didnt enjoy loud at all. Then i spent 250 hours stealthing everything i could. I havent touched stealth for the last 1k hours since then, not unless i absolutely had to.
Learning how to stealth is really rewarding, but once you do it becomes seriously boring and time consuming, meanwhile loud is like heroin injected into my spine, *BRING IT!*
I used to stealth when i started out but then I learned to love being an 800-pound gorilla committing mass crimes with a minigun
The reason why you didn't enjoy PD2 loud is because you weren't equipped with a decent build. Loud is fun, just not when you are level 10. You guys spent an hour stealthing jewelry store on a low difficulty, if you had done it on max difficulty you would have gotten an instant level 40 rather than having to do several heists to get to level 22. The point is that you have low health and low damage because you didn't bring survival or damage skills. If I joined your game, stealthed 2-3 heists with you and gave you a good loud build, you could immediately play the second highest loud difficulty with ease.
Don't get me wrong, it's shit design on PD2's part, but that's just how it goes, the problems you had with it are all solveable within the skilltree and perk deck menus.
good to know, thanks!
could u give me a good build? every build i do on yt i cant get the final skill because it says 1 skill point remaining
@@robokastyou ok bruh?
Its just an old progression style that doesnt appeal to everyone right away if u have had enough experience with the play style or engine you will learn faster than others, once you learn about 25% of the game and somewhat understanding of skills and perk decks it becomes really fun and a daily game for me, basically killing floor 2 but robbery and hitting licks and can switch up to stealth or other builds insane replayability for a “older” game been playing more now since payday 3 because 3 doesnt have much content right now,
@@mrkillme1485the reason you can’t get the final skill is bc you need to get your infamy level up which is basically paydays version of prestige from cod if you read the reward descriptions in the infamy part it will say something about skills in there if you get all of the ones that have that skill reward(there are 5 of them) then that will decrease the amount of skill points needed to get certain skills but until you get those infamy rewards you will just have to figure out what skills are more important and swap them around or just run a stoic build and never die
Loud missions tend to be tricky until you are kitted out but I actually find them quite fun. When you get the hang of headshots even Dozers aren't an issue.
Also, I think the main issue was simply you not being a high enough level. Loyd scales far harder difficulty-wise than stealth.
EDIT: You are not alone un hating the Breakin' Feds heist. It's maybe one of the most unpopular stealth heists in the game.
You are a grown man with an anime child pfp. Your are intact ALONE
I did not buy a minigun and qué up razor mind to do stealth
the question isnt why he has an anime child pfp, it is who, as in who assked for your opinion,@@ezaf5989
Headshots soon turn into Normal shots and going from a higher diff like overkill and above don't remember what they are call it makes lower diff so satisfying as you shred thru enimes since you basically headshot all of them
saying that pd2 stealth is more fun is the weirdest thing I've heard all year and I'm not a loud only person I achievement hunted with someone for about 60% of the games achievements some months ago
wait is that really a hot take?
@@robokast yes most of the community is loud players to my understanding. I play both but mainly loud and public lobbies are mainly loud even in stealth possible missions. Your opinion could just be because of not having good weapons perks and skills or loud could just not be for you. It was just weird hearing. Play how you want though.
wait really? If I wanted loud endless bullet sponge hordes Id just play another mindless AAA game, I didn’t know the community liked those missions
@@liljizzy yeah but the AAA games somehow doesnt scratch the fun from all the different builds you can use to kill hordes of enemies in payday 2
And i think most people tend to avoid stealth especially in public lobbies since most of the time you need to restart 5-6 times due to people accidentally alerting the cops
As someone who spent 5 hours doing the breaking feds mission before actually completing it with a friend when we were both extremely new to the game, I can confirm it's a mind-numbingly difficulty was extremely frustrating, especially when the cops in the starting area were randomly bugged and alerted multiple times while we were in garett's office, screwing the whole mission over.
Make a broken build that turns you into a bullet sponge, Loud missions become easy peas. I much prefer the stealth play though.
"What developer in their right mind thinks that sending six-thousand bulletsponge enemies after you is a definition of a good time?"
Jules, Jules does. I will never forgive him for removing Hostage Rescue Teams from assaults
"I actually don't understand how these high-difficulty loud missions are even possible."
Wait till you try Goat Sim or Bomb: Forest on Death Sentence.
It's quite sad since the enemies really aren't bullet spongey. If it feels like a peashooter, you have the power to not make it so. Like adding crits or other weapon skills.
Even Robo themselves disproved their claim by using an lmg later in the video x.x
Goat sim dsod isn't really that bad. If you know the strategy and that the sides of the city offer really good cover, it isn't that bad and can be fun.
Goat Sim and Forest are probably the least played heists in the game
@@yarghhargh9345 Hilariously, technically any dlc heists added later than goat sim have that title. People actually play both heists frequently.
I think payday 2 loud shines when you get to higher levels since you can try weird builds like double snipers or even trying to run a melee build since now you pretty much need to rethink how you approach the hordes of cops
So yeah higher level = more experimentation = more fun
As someone who doesn't know anything about this game. Should I play PD2?
Yeah
Yes
12:19 sounds like a skill issue
Jokes aside I cant do a stealth misson to save my life. The fact you can even do it is a miracle in my eyes
Same here lol
I'd say there's a few reason why you didn't really enjoy loud gameplay, especially at the start:
1. You're playing on Very Hard, while being a completely new player. You should really play on Normal and Hard until you feel comfortable with them, then raise difficulty.
2. Headshots are very important in this game. Bulldozers are super tanky, unless you shoot them in the face, and heavy swat units can't be damaged to the body with regular weapons and no skills.
3. You were using quite literally some of the worst weapons in the entire game. Almost anything else would've been more useful.
And as for how the higher difficulties are even doable on loud, it's due to skills and perk decks. They give you such a huge boost, that even as an average player, you could probably take on Mayhem difficulty with them. Considering you had very few skill points at the beginning, no wonder you had trouble with Very Hard.
One last edit: I really hope you're calling yourself a pro unironically.
I've got over 200 hours in payday 2 and I still am more a fan of stealth missions even though i know good builds for loud. I don't dislike load missions as much as you though as I like a loud mission now and again but yeah, loud is only enjoyable if you have the build for it which you can't have at low level.
It's crazy to me that I'm in the minority with prefering stealth missions, but the amount of stealth heists vs loud heists tells you what the majority of the player base enjoys.
EDIT: Best things about loud missions is the soundtrack!
Nostolgia because I always use to play with my friend in 2016. Rest in peace Ryan I miss you so much
Payday 2 loud has one of the most indepth systems to play a shooter of any game out there. Now, we don't blame you for not knowing this, just that this video doesn't do a service for why Payday 2 has survived for so long.
There are so many ways to play loud incredibly well, like any weapon, perk, etc can be used super well and have a niche even on the hardest difficulty and the system when learnt can basically be played however the way you want. Just for reference, even on the hardest difficulty of Death Sentence One Down, you can use the worst perks/weapons, melee/saws only, etc. And even with mods that make the ai a lot more aggressive/faster than before. It has been proven time and time again that it is possible if you know how to play. It just goes to show how much the community loves and invested their time into loud that all of this is possible.
Now, we actually have a lot to say about the video/gameplay, so we're splitting up the comments into multiple. This comment is going to be about what to do. Very in depth fundamentals on how to make loud fun/at least a lot more playable. We'll put in a tl;dr in a later comment, but if you have the time can be good to know a lot about what to do. Also, this mainly centres around dsod, which is the hardest difficulty, but even this guide should help at the very least minimise you going down.
For one, this game is a cover based shooter. Cover is the number one important thing to use. You manually go behind it. Bringing this up as you did use cover quite a bit, there were issues of you basically babysitting an area and not putting pressure against the swats which can lead to issues of being overwhelemed or running out into the open and getting killed.
It's an understandable strategy, but something to note is that you have a lot more cover than you think and giving yourself more opportunities to attack the swats. Take 4:40 where the escalator can be used instead. At least you have more space to work with or during prison nightmare, you also had the walls of the chokepoint to also work with and take cover behind after taking too much damage.
It isn't obvious and comes with practice, but this is THE thing to note about surviving other than killing.
The other thing to note is killing a lot. Now, what's funny is your complaint about enemies being too bullet spongey. You straight up disproved that claim by using an lmg and killing swats/bulldozers quick. We get what you mean, the starting assault rifle of the amcar is literally the worst assault rifle in the game. Just funny that you used the poster child of a weapon not needing a damage up even on dsod and using it to do quite well.
Killing a lot is important as you can just prevent swats from killing you and allowing you to have space. This is important as you can do objectives safely if you clear the area of swats. So killing is that opportunity. Lmgs are the easiest as they don't need a damage up, although every other weapon can basically do better if you have the right skills. It's also good to know as it also counters snipers and tasers. They punish rushers so as long as you peek out and kill, they shouldn't be too bad.
When peeking, something you should also get is Basic Bullseye and it is the single best skill in the game. Now this is mainly meant for higher difficulties, but it also helps lower difficulties and builds anyway and is a must take. It is useful in any build besides Stoic. Even Anarchist and Stoic which are 2 decks that have armour regen through doing damage, both can still benefit from bullsye by having it aced so you can tank more.
Also, in terms of issues of shields/captain winters. You know those grenades you had earlier that you accidentally wasted? There's your counter to captain winters. However its good to note that there are multiple ways to kill not only Winters, but also shields in geenral. The grenades are the obvious pick, although something to note is often people have Perk deck throwables or Flashbangs so they arent that commonly used. People often have things like a shield killer secondary such as the 5/7 pistol that pierces shields or a Compact 40mm grenade launcher that... kills shields. This is also good to kill shields and winters at anytime as opposed to the grenades that have a finite amount. There's also primary weapons that have natural shield pierce like thr Sniper rifles, which or op, shotguns bothin the primary and secondary that can be equipped with the Dragons breathe or AP slugs to penetrate shields or even bringing another grenade launcher for the lolz.
And that's not all. Even at worst where you don't have a shield killer weapon, you can still use Aced Shock n awe to counter shields better, although not winters, and it is nice. But even killing winters can be done through coordination. Everyone kills around winters and a person goes behind and shoots winters in the back. Problem solved.
You really should play with perks more. They basically make your build and can dictate how you play. For example, be very tanky and supportive with Muscle with your large health, stun swats with an unsilenced weapon and even take attention away from the swats shooting your friend. Sicario can use a smoke grenade to make an on demand cover and use it to force objectives, help teammates, etc and even survive off timing your own dodge and a lot more that do various things.
Level up the perks and they make life so much easier. Below will be a rough guide on how to use Sicario, which has a lot of ways to play.
So this is a rough guide on how Sicario is played. There's actually more than these few ways, just that these are just the most practical and should give an example on how other health/dodge decks are played. Some are better than others, Like it can benefit from ICTV a lot more than Dodge decks, or that Aced Hostage Taker isn't always taken for various reasons, etc. .
Also, just shows how 1 deck is played. There are so many others like this and doesn't even go into things like HBV or weird perks like Leech, Stoic, Grinder, etc
Sicario is around a top 10 deck in the game for dsod. It is very good, although just not as broken as some of the other decks.
It is a dodge deck that you have to manually time when the dodge happens. Basically you can rough choose when to avoid getting shot. You start off with a bit of dodge and each shot you don't dodge, so if the shot connects, you'll gain 20% extra dodge to increase your chances of dodging and this goes on a short cooldown. This goes on until you dodge your next shot and it negates the damage that you would have absorbed, restores your armour to survive an additional shot and resets your dodge back to what you originally had. It is kinda confusing, but you essentially just pay attention to if you take damage and get to decide when to make pushes, which is pretty strong.
When it breaks and you don't dodge, you can either get a headshot for basic bullseye or wait in cover. You also have access to the smoke grenade which is very strong as you can use it as an on demand cover to do practically anything. Such as clearing the room, doing an objective like fixing the drill, reviving teammaes, etc. And while it has a 1 minute cooldown, it can be reduced by killing which is something you should be doing.
When played right you can essentially survive any combat encounter provided you actually hit heads and have the kills. Basically goes for every deck, although Sicario emphasises that point where you get to use the smoke more and rewards you paying attention.
To use Sicario, you mainly use the Suit as you get the most amount of dodge from the deck and the dodge comes in handy even without Sneaky Bastard (Which is a skill commonly taken on dodge decks) as Sicario gives you +15% dodge, with suit gives +5% dodge and Aced Duck n cover which gives an additional 10% whilst running. You now are very likeky to dodge the next shot.
Though despite this, you could opt for other armours as they may cater to you more eg while I don't think light shots are great to build for, you could still keep it so lights and other units won't trigger the healing and on lower difficulties, it is nice if you prefer the tanking even if you lose a small bit of dodge/ concealment or the ICTV, while expensive and you won't have as much healing, it can provide you more consistent heavy tanking which is incredibly valuable. Also with the ICTV, there are 2 ways to make it work on Sicario, Aced Hostage Taker + Aced Quickfix/Underdog or Basic Frenzy. Both are good options as the Aced Hostage Taker path gives you so much tanking to worth with and with the smoke grenade, youll practically never die and Frenzy is also a good option as it makes the ICTV more tanky and you have a damage boost.
For skills, it is a pretty standard deck as you would want Jokers for distraction/health and Aced Duck and Cover for the extra dodge.
Aced Hostage Taker is also very good to take with Sicario outside of the Frenzy set up as you can tank more damage and use your health as a safety net if you want to maximise your survival/take mistakes.
It's also recommended to take First aid Kits to further increase your survival as you can put it down and use them as trip mines to again force objectives or as extra health. It's also possible to use First Aid Kits only instead of Aced Hostage Taker. Its more difficult to use and less consistent, but it is possible.
Any weapon works with Sicario. Just have to kill a lot is all.
"Heists were you move around were not the vibe, but defence based heists are"
You are going to have to be more specific since they are all one in the same.
In fact, the heists that force you to do objectives are considered more fun since ir is something different. They encourage and challenge you to work you ass off and do something different.
That and even some of the more infamous heists that require you to go out, you still play very defensively. Like take Goat Simulator, a very infamous heist where the best thing to do is to go out and haul all the goats into the burning building. You then defend yhw goats and survive until the truck arrives. There is also plenty of cover aroynd the city such as the flowerbeds, roadblocks, etc to cover you while going out during and assault. Takes practice, but far from impossible.
Better to safe those continental coins. They are much more valuable for Gun mods like getting the Bigger the better surpressor to benefit of aced Professional than a feature in a safehouse youll never really need outside of achievements/easter egg.
Btw, if you know a heist has safety deposit boxes even in loud. You can take the skill portable saw to fit a saw in your secondary. That way you have a primary and can quickly open all the deposit boxes without wasting too much time.
I would love to see a video like this in Payday 3!
loud guide for skills
1. there are more than 1 profiles and more than 1 skill set when you go in skills press g you should have a free skill set to equipped to your 2nd profile
2. i would recommend muscle for loud to start it give your health back every 5 secs its 3 % which is not a lot but i got you invest perk points into controller tree the goal is to get converts and hostage taker when you convert a cop with hostage taker it will give you an increase to your healing
3. armor- go to the tank tree and i like to get to ironman basic but if you want the heaviest armor go for it this will make you move slower so i suggest duck and cover and parkour in the artful dodger skill tree and git second wind in silent killer
4- equipment use what you want just git the skills that would make it more helpful
5- weapons get the skills that benefit the weapons you're using for instance rpk the oppressor perk tree helps with getting through armor
thanks for the tips!
playing anything higher than overkill difficulty is just pure challenge.
but if you're playing stealth choose the death sentence difficulty(unlocks at lvl80)/mayhem
you should get a shotgun as a secondary for stealth, because it can launch bodies so you wont have to spare a body bag
Loud mall with u having to save santa and steal the tree was the most unorthodox, chaotic thing I’ve ever done since i got back in this game. 10/10 would do it again
Have your build focused one one thing. For example, tank builds have a ton of armor, health, and provide support for your teammates.
Medic Bags restores the amount of times you can go down before you end up in custody. Don’t use them all the time.
Perk Decks are also extremely useful. Stoic for example lets you tanks a lot of damage for about 12 seconds and if you use the hip flask, all that impending damage goes away. The more you play, you’ll learn how the game works
One thing I would recommend is starting on a lower difficulty at the beginning (like normal or hard). They're basically tutorial difficulties to teach you how both the map itself and game are played. I can't blame you for thinking that Payday 2 has a normal difficulty curve though, its so out of wack the finale difficulty is like 2-3x harder then previous one.
A bit of a tip for all heisters is that in stealth detection is from the head so as long as you hide the head of yourself and your hostages people can't detect them to do this you can make the hostages follow you to a wall and sit them down in such a way where their head clips through the wall thus not being able to be seen.
Great video , It's always fun to see a new players jump into the game. But it's not "revisiting" a game if you've never played said game.
And you obviously never played Payday2 before, otherwise you would know everything that you didn't know.
The game is all about your loadout and skills.
Go Bank is one of the first map that came out. Everyone knows that you bring a saw to bank jobs for the deposit safes.
Loud missions are easy up to Mayhem and even Death Wish with a fair build.
Slaughterhouse is a missions that everyone played a thousand times for the high pay.
There's no helicopter lifting the gold up, you put it in a container and a crane lifts it up.
Stuff like that.
I'm impressed about your runs in Shadow Raid and Election Day for sure, even if it was on normal difficulty.
Saying that stealth is better than loud is indeed a hot take because Stealth is, in overall, way harder and much more of a hassle than running and gunning depending on the map. Diamond Store is an easy one but if you go for The White House, The Diamond, Diamond Heist, The Big Bank, Golden Grin Casino, it's something else.
If you go loud with a two piece suit without a dodge build and with a silenced Deagle, you sure won't have a good time in loud.
It's funny about that last point. Payday 2 is so expansive, there are multiple ways to use non dodge suit deagle builds work.
Anarchist exists and should only be used with the suit since it offers the best armour gating.
Even then, perks like Grinder, Sociopath, Ex-President, etc exists and use the suit well.
The Deagle does a lot of damage so amazing against bulldozers once you invest into them, just need a crowd control weapon so you could pick up things like an lmg, a primary grenade launcher or even another deagle to have a build that destroys everything, but you have to track when to use your akimbo or single deagles.
And there's more, but the reply is long enough lmao
Tl;dr
Learn to use and find cover around the maps.
Peek out and kill a lot to not get overwhelmed/do objectives.
Level up and make a build with your perk + weapons.
Get Survival and weapon/damage skills.
Learn the other mechanics like how to counter shields.
Loud is so expansive, we haven't even fit everything, like other weapons, metas, how drama works, etc
I love the content keep up the good work I bet this video is going to be good
I’m not gonna lie, This is probably an unpopular opinion but to me stealth is just so tedious, I want to be in the middle of an intense fire fight, while I’m holding hostages and drilling into a vault while my team holds me down, classic Heat like gameplay💯 just something about that adrenaline rush
The key to fun loud is the stupid fun builds. You xan make a sniper that does head shot damage when you hit people in the body, it also kills anyone like 5 meters around the bullet path.
In terms of skills, the most important thing to know is you need survival and gun skills. Now in terms of survival, this is usually a case by case basis such as a health tank perk like Stoic would always want Aced Hostage Taker and Jokers to regen health, but you can also not take it for certain builds. Such as perks like Grinder, Hacker, etc being able to heal quite fast independantly, but that's up to you. Or perks like Armourer where it always needs the ICTV, but could be used with either Aced Hostage Taker or instead get a damage up with Aced Berserker and lowering your health, which is not a bad strategy at all since you can rely on your armour really well. There is a lot to talk about and if you want to read more, there'll be a comment about a few ways to play 1 perk.
Weapon skills are pretty important. Like, if the weapon feels like a peashooter, you have the power to make it either overpowered or at least usuable.
The most common way to do so is to look at your detection risk and make sure you have a good concealment on your guns, armour and melee so you have 23/26 detection risk. You can use the skill Low blow and ace it so you do triple damage. That's all you need to know.
Assault rifles are really good as often they can be concealed and have a faster time to kill than Lmgs, that and crits work best with automatic weapons as crits have a chance to proc.
Sniper rifles are op as when you get Aced Graze, they become headshot based Rocket Launchers. They kill rooms very fast and especially with low damage snipers with crits/Aced Berserker, they are agurably one of the best weapons to use.
Weakness is it can't kill bulldozers as fast and you need to aim, although you can always take a crit smg as your secondary.
Shotguns are agurably the weakest weapons to use. But are still useful. If you equip the Dragons Breathe or Tombstone rounds, they become very easy guns for crowd control. Especially with crits, they kill and stun so much and it makes heists very easy. Only issues are bulldozers, but you can always take an smg or akimbo smgs, which kill even faster than assault rifles to counter the dozers.
You can also use the Akimbo shotguns, where if you get Basic Overkill and crits, you basically have no weakness when you have the 000 Buckshots. Judt requires a lot of skill points.
And we could go on and on but this comment is already long enough. Just know EVERYTHING has a niche use/at least a sidegrade use.
Earlier there was also Aced Berserker. This is also really good as if you have an armour build such as Armourer or Suit Anarchist, which commonly have Aced Berserker though a lot more perks used Berserker, you would want to lower your health to do more damage and it is consistent so better for weapons like DMRs (High damage assautl rifles that have low ammo pick up, also op with this skill). With Armourer it is a bit more riskier, but you have more damage so it kind of doesn't matter. Tanking is super good and there are ways to have both extra health + More damage with Aced Unseen strike, but it is a good sacrifice if you can kill them quicker. Just up to preference.
I like how the game goes from “Stealth is cool and Loud is lame” to “this time im hitting it big”
8:50 Yeah, you are not doing it right
Mallcrasher is a good mission, I wish they had more missions where you just break stuff to intimidate gangs and the police. The only problem I have with mallcrasher is that it doesn’t pay very well.
I tried getting into this game because it’s a game that seems right up my alley but stealth is just too tedious for me.
So just play loud
Will there be a "Playing Payday 2 in 2023 for real this time" video? X3
30 days of PD2 and you never didn't the meth mission thats literally an infinite money glitch even on easy...but me personally I loved being loud coz it just ment I could just kill and kill groups of enemies, and I found my self more angry at stealth missions...BUUUT I also played hundreds of hours in this game and just got the best gear I could just so I could kill tons more enemies
Loud missions are the best imo because of the customization and you get to actually use the guns…
This game is like Project Zomboid with how expansive loud is. Coming from one of us who played Project Zomboid and this game a lot :P
This is literally like committing crimes fr fr
Played payday 3 my first payday and then I came here to see what payday is. Now I can say I just hit a lick 😂
Bro new subscriber because I love payday but my Xbox 360 is broken
CS... GO Bank.... The biggest issue was the spawns that were out of bounds. Throw a grenade if you had a crappy team mate like me when I first played it and didn't completely go loud.
The one thing I hated with old payday was it took forever to unlock the saw and the shaped charges. I still don't like how u have to obtain yhe attachments but I'll take what I can get lol
One word...Dodge
Hilariously, dodge is the weaker on lower difficulties.
( VERY IMPORRANT NOTE: Story mode / Career mode, should have been done as it’s a tutorial and sets you up with enough get go to get going in a proper story formate and heists laid out with proper difficulty for you to get into payday2 )
I love the fact that so much is just wrong, but it’s wrong from player experience rather than Gameplay knowledge….. I love watching noobs learn. Payday2 has one of the best 0 to CrimeLord experiences.
Huge props on being new and doing car shop! Hearing him say loud sucked makes me wanna Sherpa and teach some. 😢
For loud is a cover based game ( even though people don’t wanna believe it, payday2 is a cover based shooter that is fast paced ) cover cover cover move cover move cover….. stay crouched it helps…. Aim for heads or aim for the gaps in the armor but mostly headshots….. if captain spawns you can see in the top right of the screen ( I use moltovs throw one wait throw another wait 2-3 moltovs should be able to wipe captain ) as far as struggling goes make sure to equip a deployable doctor bag, this will reset your downs when used as well as heal you to full, go down 2-3 times then use your doctor bag now you can go down 2-3 times more….. weapons bring what you want and for skills read through things and apply what weapons and deployable you bring into your skills.
Pc alone ( 2,800+ hours, infamy 104+ )
Side note: Black screen on loading in is a desync issue the player just has to rejoin the host to fix….. there are a few desync issues that can happen when joining the game or loading a lobby, most are fixable by just waiting or reconnecting.
Gameplay stuff: Safe house raid is a daily event that happens it will every once everyday, and is super easy to farm out by finding others who are running it. …. Also you turned off AI which is preference, but the ai can run Skills in the crew ai Loadout screen, The ai on the left will be the last one replaced by a player….
(Slot machines don’t earn you enough cash to be worth anything at all) but I believe if you put enough time you can do anything! :)
Have you ever wanted to sneak into a place stealthy without being detected
Me:no *mini guns down every living thing in a 20 meter radius*
If you zip tie a civilian or make a guard or cop surrender he drops whatever they have like a keycard
"i dont know about you or if im doing something wrong" - a man doing many things wrong. "i dont understand how these high difficulty loud missions are even possible" - plays on a very low difficulty
'hard difficulties are too hard'
*plays on very hard*
LOL
In my crew it’s always loud
I think jimmy wannt more action
can you unlock characters for the 360. Like how can you get Sydney or clover or any other character.
I thought you said resting! 😂
i want to play PD2 with you guys, cause one i have no friends and you guys are hilarious
yo u probably not gonna see this but I would be down to play pd2 sometime lol
these loud maps are easy but only thing its armor and good guns to win with it
"Nobody likes h3 anymore" the only reason I'm playing this game and watching this video is because of h3. Thx for putting them in the video. I've been playing as ethan so I've only seen hila in the warehouse not ethan. Cool seeing them side by side.
Hi. payday 2 player with 700+ hours here.
I see that you're having a lot of trouble with loud gameplay, and that sucks.
Loud is just as fun, but you need to build for it.
Payday 2 is a very strict game with how stealth and loud differ (this has changed in pd3) so you need the build for it.
I would strongly suggest that you read the skills you pick and what they do so that you have a build that will work for what you need. If you want a certain type boost, it probably is there, but you just have not found it yet.
Perk decks also play an extra part in this, and further define your role, but there are also some clear metas once you start to unlock all the decks.
Im not here to explain everything for you, beceause that's just not fun, and i want you to play the game and learn more about.
Happy heisting!
thanks for the tips!!
Here's a definition of a payday 2 "pro" a person who can complete any heist on any difficulty with any perk deck
The only way can do loud is if I speed run it like dark souls
The day Notoriety got banned on Roblox (I knew about Payday 2 before), I instantly went on Epic Games, and saw PD2 being free. I have some skill, yeah, but I missed that feeling of playing Notoriety once again, so after some time already, I am finally installing PD2, and playing for my first time. Hopefully it runs on my crappy old laptop LMAO
How did you get access to the art gallery it says I need to get it from the steam community but I can’t find it
It's a great game alright.
But I recommend not going down the DS rabbit hole early.
Because once you start you can never go back and you will know the suffering DS players had to go through post DRM updates.
This might be a controversial video
How so?
@@robokast late response sorry but there’s alotta people that’ll die for payday and you know gamers and criticism..
Last revisit, the hostages became more dumb, they cant even turn properly
yes
I'm still facing the failed to join to game problem whenever my friends try to join my lobby , any solutions (payday 2 )
I like payday 2 only loud. I let people go stealth and I am plan B when they fail
loud missions are easy with the right build i dont like doing them though
In the good words of the Russian badger imagine choosing stealth over sabtog I'll go in there with a f******minigun bullets firing with raising mind equipped
Guy wants to be modest pelican so bad he even copied his fuckin speech patterns😂😂😂
Bro got 2024 early
You shouldn't start at a higher difficulty as a low level especially in loud also loud is much easier for more inexperienced players and you stuck to the worst weapons in the game aka the starting weapons wich became a problem when you were doing loud on very hard to overkill wich are normaly easy difficultys after only level 50
Loud missions are better at higher level
Good video
I could of stole them dont break the vases
only 6 bags of meth i sat on cook off for 4 hours with 100 bags on max difficulty aka dsod
wait a minute 7 months ago wasnt 2024..
7 MONTHS AGO WAS IN 2023 how.. did bro visit it in 2024
I can never play payday 2 online with people because it's always an instant kick for bullshit reasons
Not at max infamy
Running dodge instead of armor
Getting downed once
Getting blamed for an ai that clipped through a wall
I'm sorry but I've about had enough of that bullshit which is why I always host or better yet never host a online session because I'm tired of having to kick dirt bags complaining about someone messing up I don't care if you only contribute to securing loot that's fine if u get downed or mess up a lot I don't care but if u tell me to kick or ban someone because they messed up oh then u are gonna leave because I've about had enough of the toxic bullshit because how are is someone gonna get better if they aren't given a chance ?
Big gun = harder difficulty
Hmmmmmmmm, 2024 huh?
Yeah I’ll just be a little honest, it’s not your fault you didn’t enjoy loud, it’s not taught very well but it’s great if you’re leveled and familiar with loud gameplay
I did the suer mission and got 5000000$
"Revisiting"....
I'm not sure what's what at this point.
revisiting payday 2 in 2024… posted 5 months ago? its february bru? i cant tell if im missing smthn but idc
this game is pretty unbalanced, either you're fucked, or you are a literal god. that's why i prefer stealth, it is fun to make an over-powered build though
haha yes you are a rookie, pd2 has a learning curve like league of legends, if you don't know the meta you're gonna have a bad time, there is no good way to figure it out on your own starting out. i really hope payday 3 moves away from this and makes it less about what build to take
Lmao, don't even need to know the meta. Like, people have completed this game with no skills or perks before and it isn't that bad if you know how to use cover and kill.
Your ignorance of loud isn't your fault, the game does a poor job of explaining certain mechanics to players. Experienced players forget that loud isn't fun with the basic guns and no knowledge of skills/decks that help you survive. Also, map knowledge is another hidden skill. For instance, you didn't use the conveyer belt in Slaughterhouse which would carry the bags for you.
I hate that thumbnail but the videos fine
Loud is fun, you just chose the absolute worst time in your skill development to try them. The game as a whole is catering to pretty much everything in a heister's paradise. And it's hilariously stupid. I'm disappointed in you.
Chupaa
Ur builds arent good enough since ur low level and u push too much in loud missions, it would be better if u stayed on the lower level career missions
3rd
You didnt have fun with loud because your build sucks. The skills, weapons, and their mods make or break loud, and fun.
This vid just screeeeeams skill issue (both metaphorically and literally as you didn't even use skill points yet blame the game). The best games out there need more than 2 minutes to fully understand -.-...
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Nv second
this title is some awful clickbait lol
skill issue
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Boring